/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Pekora WIP, any feedback?

>doing the ctrlpaint 20 phones homework
>measured angles turning out pretty shitty (bottom)
>what if I just freehanded it without looking at the paper?
>it turns out way better (top)
What the fuck? Is this normal?

Been trying to do gesture drawings tonight, but im insecure about how they look. Thoughts and advice?

someone mentioned Hitokaku in the last thread, and in searching the archives for mention of it someone brought up "draw the owl" which described something I asked about in the last thread. When looking at some of the explanations on starting up on construction there always feels like this jump that is being treated as simple in how it's not even addressed but I am completely lost. Google also doesn't feel half as useful anymore so trying to search out these questions never goes anywhere.

Still requesting a book or the like on how to render faces and features of the face and the like

First drawing is just trying to "sketch" from the eye and second is using the upside down tracing exercise, I apologize for the horrendous chicken scratching.

>>5062371
Dunno about a book but you can get a basic idea from this and apply it to the face you've drawn. You just need go know some forms and value stuff
https://youtu.be/9l3uyUlu3dc

>>5062380
God bless

>>5062359
face is to looooooooooong

>>5062402
Yeah, I I'm trying to nail down proportions/tilt of the head. It also to my eyes just looks weird when the face is short, maybe due to my inability to make the jawline not look terrible

>>5062374
The difference is actually crazy

>>5062374
Symbol drawing vs drawing what you see. Huge difference.

>>5062421
The biggest misstep I see in people who want to draw animu is their sheer unwillingness to understand what they are drawing they think they can get around with little tutorial hacks and end up just symbol drawing because they only think on the surface level. You are on that path friend.

>>5062353
you start with a circle, then get the hairline, eyebrow, mouth and chin
look at a reference and start with a sphere...

>>5062351
>>5062380
Read the OP, einsteins

>>5062359
There should be more neck going, feel or look in the mirror to see where your ear is compared to your neck
>>5062459
Be gone pretend janny

>>5062463
I'm just not going to even bother opening a 3k*3kp image theres a reason it's in the OP

>>5062479
Ok

>>5062330
Got 2 sketches here. I know the Santa sketch is a bit skewed to one side and the little girl only has 4 toes.

The girl I drew is my friends daughter and I drew from a pose she did. The Santa was sketched from imagination.

Just for a bit of context, I started and work in 3d art but wanted to go back and learn traditional drawing to try and better my overall understanding of fundamentals and art in general.

What's are your critiques?

>>5062494
draw with fewer lines. try to make each pencil stroke mean something to you; you are covering up your mistakes on the kid by chicken scratching your lines

since you have background in 3d, make quick pose references in blender or sketchup or w/e you'll see that the feet on the kid make no sense regardless of the camera angle

>>5062498

Thanks for the feedback.

Ya I tend to do very light and frequent lines when I'm trying to block out shapes and stuff. One of the first channels I started watching for traditional was fzd school so I kind of adopted his "squiggly" line approach to blocking out.

>>5062343
Work on lim-connection and their function, you need to construct and learn perspectice too, if you look at her shoes, they look flat without form, draw gestures everyday (30-1 min. ones)
>>5062351
they are stiff, you have to look at which direction the parts are facin', but at first always take at the figure as a whole and than just moce your hand and catch the moevement like you woul catch a fly with your hand, you need to draw gestures daily to get a feelin for it, as for nearly everything.
>>5062371
Don't draw just the outlines if you are beginning, try to concentrate on the form and overall shapes of your subject. If you start with rendering without knowledge about form you will have a hard time.
>>5062494
Perspectice, gestures, give your figures volume they're flat atm.. And stop using scratch-lines, do flowy lines.

>>5062451
so how do I know that if Im able to draw anime also not that guy

>>5062517
ask several different, better artists for feedback, and ask them specifically "do you think I am doing X?"

in time, you will develop a sense for seeing your mistakes

>>5062517
You need to practice more and use reference. Your observational skills will improve as you draw more. You don't need permissiom from others to draw anime either. Study both real life and anime drawings and draw A LOT

>>5062515
Thanks for the advice anon.
>>5062479
Sorry about the resolution, won't let it happen again.

>>5062529
all good, keep up the good work anon and graduate soon out of this hellhole

Wanted to make sure his anatomy was mostly correct before I drew his clothes. I need some pointers with the hands.

tips?

>>5062538
My lord, fix your chicken scratching first. Remember to think in forms.

>>5062541
My sketches always look like this before I do the actual line art. Can you not think in forms whilst chicken scratching; do the lines have to be 'perfect' to truly FEEL the form?

>>5062551
Fucking kek

>>5062554
not the guy who told you that, but I agree. chicken scratching is a sign that we're not confident with what we're drawing, we won't commit with a longer line even while sketching. try drawing more with your elbow and less with your wrist so your lines will feel more natural and you won't focus a lot on a single part of your form, rather drawing the whole thing

>>5062554
Yes, retard. You could have the messiest sketching in the world and I wouldn't budge an eye if it wasn't chicken scratching. It's universally looked down upon for a reason.

>>5062538
Tried to help. I also can't draw hands.

>>5062568
haha le tfw you don't read the original crosspost! epic reddit moment Xd

>>5062557
>>5062559
I have always been confused with why people look down on chicken scratch in sketching which is one of the reasons I'm still a /beg/. I have always done it and see no real issue with it because it's always felt natural to do so.
I've always viewed it as making the general shape you want and then carving it out the rest of the way with your eraser.

>>5062571
Hands are the bane of my existence. Thanks for the re-draw, gave me a better idea on how to make him more bulky.

>>5062581
you shouldn't be using an eraser to sketch either.
chicken scratches are feeling natural cause you're limiting yourself. let it go. pick up a regular pen and sketch loosely. I have the same problem about committing to lines, sketching with a ballpen helps a lot

so when do you use curved perspective?

>>5062571
also you're symbol drawing. there are no values there.

>>5062665
seething crab

>>5062665
>values
I haven't touch shading yet. I am following this guide. I think I am lv 2?

>>5062665
Bro you don't even know what symbol drawing is lol pyw

Stupid Question here.
Does everything need to start with construction, I know my construction is shit and nowhere near actual construction really just doodling for perspective.. or do I just trace it with the eye?

I've read a bit of Loomis and ktd, been a couple of months though is there any guides similar to this? >>5062670
I find these easier to digest.

having trouble painting blonde hair...

>>5062684
i often feel the need to trace a construction - but then I drag it away and do it again by eye, using my tracing as reference.

>>5062670
this is not a bad guide, but also don't limit yourself to it. basically just grind fundies; if you're drawing muscles, make sure to understand the values.

>>5062663
after you get good with regular perspective

>>5062672
I wasn't talking about the second guy

>>5062684
Nsio Guides:
https://mega.nz/folder/Uc9mTQgT#2d8UWgGnUvICOUL1x0H2Pg/folder/RF0j1Y7Q

>>5062697
So this is the work of a guy who crabs you...

>>5062700
Thanks! I love reading guides and wiki's like these It'll really help me understand things easier.

>>5062589
>>5062682
Is this what anon means when he says to grind the fundies?

was fun

>>5062702
what bro?

>>5062708
Yes

>>5062709
Smol hands

>>5062730
deliccatt hands
not touching this anymore
time to move into the next drawing

>>5062735
>>5062730
but thanks
i'll take the advice and pay more attention to the hands in the next piece

Anybody got a guide on how to grind the Fundamentals?

>>5062748
Noice.

>>5062755
Week 1 is on Youtube
https://mega.nz/folder/whAg2QYD#S6X1smoI1lMNulQmvrMRbQ

>>5062755
there's no one clear path for fundamentals. it's a chaotic progress comprised of different areas and skillsets. good books or other resources that target the individual parts of fundamentals and grind those, e.g. perspective made easy or how to draw for, well, perspective, or vilppu's drawing manual for form and gesture.
i suggest doing lesson 0 and 1 of drawabox as well, it's good for improving your draftsmanship but the rest of the lessons are kind of a waste of time.

>You should draw just for fun every now and then
Whenever I do I get so frustrated at how shit I am. I don't know if it's me having unrealistic expectations of myself, picking to complicated things to draw for fun or just lacking the fundies, but damn if it isn't discouraging.

can anyone suggest video courses like this one ? https://www.udemy.com/course/the-art-science-of-drawing-weeks-3-4-form-space/

>>5062665
I did draw this from imagination so that's probably why some stuff is off. I only used inspiration for the costume design.

>>5062661
I probably should try pen drawing more, I usually never do it unless I'm doing throwaway sketches because the permanence of pen scares me when making a drawing I want to polish. Will definitely push myself out of my comfort zone for my next drawings.

Anyone else have problems rushing? I've improved a bit from my last attempt at the photo, but I struggle to just sit down and draw without feeling anxious about getting it done.

This is everything I've drawn in the last week and a bit minus some gesture drawings, about 50 quick figure sketches and some complete abortions. I don't know what I'm doing but I am trying. Can I please get some direction?

>>5062831
you forgot the foreshortening of her palm on both pic anonpai

>>5062841
Oh shit rip, Imma go and fix that

if you're drawing a face from a reference do you start sketching the overall shape and positioning features by eye? Or do you start by using circles and measuring distances to get the spacing of the features? Because the reference in those guides might not match exactly to the reference anyway

>>5062840
>That bottom row
Please don't copy sleepymaid's aweful drawing style

>>5062840
Pretty good so far but why does that Togruta have vampire teeth

>>5062850
>As predators, Togruta had sharp canine teeth, which they used to painlessly kill thimiars, their primary prey, causing the creatures' post-mortem death spasms. This gave outsiders the false impression that Togruta were venomous. However, Togrutas did nothing to dispel this misconception and even took advantage of the intimidating presence it gave them.

They have sharp teeth in legends.

>>5062854
Damn

Should I start with Drawing the Head and Hands or Fun with a Pencil if I want to learn how to draw people/faces?

tips?

>>5062753
are you ever going to control your lines?

Do the lips look good? I am having issues drawing kissing lips from the sideview.

>>5062909
girl's face and arms are fucked.

>>5062537
I should add that I timed myself for these using one of the websites. Would it be a good idea to not do that so I could
focus on getting the feel for it?

>>5062748
You that green anon that likes to dump on the other /begs/ ?

As a /beg/ you've dumped on, I respect you.

>>5063015
Green anon?

>>5063017

>>5063020
>>5063017

>>5063021
>>5063017
I'm pretty sure these are all him

I like his style

And his drawings

>>5063020
>>5063021
You are talking about me? I like the shortstack anon and the warhammer-buff-lady anon, that's why I want to help them. That's all. The anon above is not me.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aX5u761bdJdoABiJfL-SwOG1BB_GcaYJ?usp=sharing

>>5063020
>>5063021
>>5063022
Please delete these. I don't want to be visible.

>>5062682
>>5062589
drawabox huh?

you'll get better results taking photos of the entire page
try ghosting a lot more; your hand is still going a bit wild and youre getting inconsistent results
try to take it a bit slower

>>5063054
Where are the boxes? It's dynamic sketching.

Sketch on one layer with only one opacity brush.
I'd be up for some critics, i think i'm starting to understand the hard brush opacity mixing, but i still have trouble smoothing things out like in Ctrl Paint videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cNvJ1qIclo [Embed]

I don't really know where to go now.

>>5063079
Look nice to me.

>>5063061
drawabox is mostly not about boxes you thickskull it's @uncomfortable trying to replicate han's course that he took

https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/tablesofellipses

feedback is the same regardless since both han and uncomfortable tell you to do this shit

>>5063088
ah ic

How do I make a flat chested girl, I don't get it, should I just draw her without boobies? Or at least something idk

>>5062748

>>5062665
>No values in a drawing means youre drawing symbols

>>5063142
ignore the dunning krugies

>>5062330
i have been drawing since i was in 5th

>>5063159
Did you make it china man? asian jeans and stuff LMAO

>>5063159
good job on making it to 7th grade! but this board is 18+

>>5062551
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>>5062753
>>5063159
Why do you guys post with no questions?

does this look like a good foundation? I don't expect it to be perfect, but solid enough that there isn't any glaring problems? I don't really know what to do with her arms though

i miss when /beg/ was for beginners just starting drawing

>>5062748
>>5063196
Why do you guys post with no questions?

>>5063202
still is, and it's always been full of attention whorelets who don't want to get assblasted in draw or alt

>>5062551
>>5062638
>>5062682
>>5062748
>>5062753
>>5062762
>>5063159
>>5063196
>>5063201
Why posting?

>>5063201
Looks like Haley from American Dad

>>5063201
Her right eye is bigger than her left, go back to basic construction

>>5063196
>>5063201
/int/

>>5062451
That anon here, so how do I fix that?

>>5062330
Yo that's my drawing am I that beg damnnn BOI

Any tips for drawing lips? Trying to study them now

>>5063232
Look at your own lips then kiss them

If you ever feel bad about your drawing, remember you could be a Simpsons tracing photobashing political "artist"
https://twitter.com/PalomboArtist

>>5063236
>Sneed?!?

>>5063235
Instruction unclear, lips got stuck in a fan

INTOIDS GET OUT

I don't know what I'm doing

Rough sketch trying to map out shit

Don't know how to place shit.

Today's studies (~10 min each). Need to figure out how to shade better in ProCreate, though (can't figure out how to do it similarly to how I do it with real pencil).

gonna try draw and design a summer/spring dress for friend's oc next... gonna jump off a cliff if it doesn't work aaaa

>>5063242
At least you know how to draw a fan

>>5063243
thinking you are good after one good drawing is a beg mindset
just setting yourself up for despair when the next drawing isn't good

>>5063236
Not even drawing hands, too hard for him

anyways I drew without chicken scratching and then went over my lines a few times to make it darker, how does this look then haha.
I still have no fucking idea where the stabilization is in Krita though.

>>5063341
Tool options tab.

Why are eyes so hard to draw? :(

>>5063352
too psychologically prominent, prone to getting symbol drawn

>>5063341

>>5063346
Thanks so much I am as dumb as I am bad at art.

>>5063360
oh fuck I meant to quote >>5063355

can anyone recommend resources for practicing perspective drawing? I've done quite a bit on figure drawing so I thought I would move to something new

>>5063360
you can set in on toolbar so it doesn't take up much space, I think it might interfere when using other tools and the visibility of their options but I don't use all the tools either so not a problem for me, or set shortcuts.

I'm so bad at constructing heads. I can't make them look 3d. Why am I so bad. This is so frustrating.

Is pic related right? I'm having a hard time understanding value and saturation.
Ive been researching and reading but it feels like everyone has their own definition and then people bring up tint and shade and lightness.
My brain in confusion.

im having trouble figuring out the femur. is the top of the femur supposed to go all the way to the skin? and how do you know how high it is? the hpis you ca at least see on the outside but i find this confusing

>>5063442
might help if i attach the picture...

I tried to sketch an entire character/pose/anatomy/everything from imagination
I have no words
I CANT draw hands without a reference and I cant feel the form of any of the muscles on the torso.
Should I start studying form and tone seriously? Im thinking that If I try painting the shadows and highlights instead of drawing them I'd have an easier time understanding and showing the form of the pecs/abs,form etc etc

>can't visualize or imagine a drawing
>literally just draw random lines hoping it turns into something

>>5063454
most people cant visualize a drawing onto a paper and draw just that

>>5063458
gmi's can
ngmi's can't

>>5063460
i guess people making 5k+ a month are ngmi

>>5063460
>>5063458
>>5063454
Also keep in mind you just have to be able to visualize it in general. You can visualize it poorly, but as long as you can TRY to translate something in your head to paper your gmi. The refinement and accuracy comes with more time and practice

>>5063454
>can't visualize or imagine a drawing
I would be surprised if you could. Imagination isn't a photo, most of the time you can't hold that much in it and it's usually a blurry mess. You can focus on a part in contrast to others but it's still that.

I dont know what to draw...

>>5063516
draw hinata being fucked by jiraya while naruto watches them

Do I have some kind of brain disorder if I can't visualize proportions? I tried to draw all these shapes as close to the same size and shape as possible just eyeballing it.
This actually turned out better than I normally do when actually trying to draw something

>>5063521
how many times have you followed the sticky?

>>5063454
That's why you sketch. Do warm up sketches. They'll turn out ugly gibberish lines. Do more sketches once your warmed up. Keep sketching until and after the ideas start flowing. This sometimes takes hours for me.

>>5063525
Many. I've been drawing for over a year now.

>>5063521
try measuring next time

>>5063531
I can draw them fine if I measure. I just hoped that after a year or so of measuring and drawing regularly my eyeballing would get a little more accurate. I feel like I have to do more construction than what it normally takes for people.

>>5063536
try 10 years

>>5063540
Okay. Now what?

>>5063541
draw

>>5063543
Been doing that. Now what?

>>5063544
try 10 years

>>5063545
Okay. Now what?

>>5063548
draw

>>5063549
Been doing that. Now what?

>>5063552
repeat it until you die if that wasn't obvious enough for you

>>5063553
Working on it. Can you post your results from this method?

>>5063555
im dead as a result from this method

>>5063557
But did you learn how to draw?

>>5063557
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>>5063540
Can you fucking retarded faggot schizos just delete your posts

>>5063559
of course not, why would i learn how to draw from drawing?

>>5063444
post picture without the scratch lines

i need help with the legs, i also tried to "redline" but it's still weird

>>5063628
you're just gonna fap to it aren't you

>>5063630
why thigh 1 longer than thigh 2 when both going same direction?

>>5063634
OH FUCK IS THAT FEMALE ASIAN WOMAN ARRGH FUCK MY PENIS OOH FUCKK ARRGGHHHHHHIGHAGHGAHSH

>>5063634
I could totally kill her and beat her up in a fight.

>>5063659
too late, im in front of her house disposing of her corpse

>>5063664
based

>>5063634
>fap
No, i'll just imagine having lovey dovey sex with her

>>5063664
way to frame yourself if that were ever to happen

>>5063635
lol ty

>>5063664
Just give me the waist to the thighs intact.

>>5063054
>you'll get better results taking photos of the entire page
That was the entire page

Is it normal to feel like nothing is clicking? That even if you're trying to draw things in a 3d space you're not doing it?

Anybody know any videos similar to these? I just want to sit back and relax while watching people draw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=phtoa3Kzkss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Re7r-48BzI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg5Sy8-cd9o

>>5063747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SijELJNfrI

>>5063634
No I was not. She is nice n thick though, here you go. You cant see the bony protrusion from this angle, its more on the side, also, since shes flexing some muscles by kneeling at that angle, you cant see it, instead from the side, youd see a small crater where no muscle but only a small amount of fat is present. Try it yourself, whether youre a man or woman, and youll feel that indent. Thats where the femur is.

>>5063747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuddlzAKAo

>>5062359

>>5063759
where is the other ellipsis how am i suppose to know where the end is see this guy was right everyone always forgets the basic rule of loomis head

>>5063759
Hey anon can you explain to me the logic of those dots on the mid step of the unfinished head where the eyes are? Are those marking the very center of the eyeball, but not the iris exactly ?

>>5063759
asian jeans

Not really /beg/ but IDK where else to post it maybe you fags will have an idea how to fix this. Krita isnt aligning my pen with the canvas. Everything else is fine just not the canvas its like 2 inches about where I'm holding the pen. I updated Krita drivers, Recalibrated my pen even restarted my pc. This mother fucker still wont align anyone know a fix?

>>5063015
No. Not me.

When Peter Han says to do one page of an exercise does he mean both sides of one sheet of paper or just one side of the paper

>>5063759
why larp

>>5063821
Try posting in the sexual art general retard

Anyone got an example of a salt & pepper beard with a pencil? Is there a good solution for doing white lines in a quick sketch? Say you don't have a ton of time to spend on getting all the values surrounding the white lines just right.

>>5063821
What tablet? Did you map it to the monitor?
https://101.wacom.com/UserHelp/en/Mapping.htm

>>5063752
thank you for doing all that work to explain this anon. does that mean that its basically pointless for me to try to construct this based on the skeleton ? there doesn't seem to be a point of reference for the bone. would it be better for me to just learn the muscles in this area?

everytime i think im finally getting somewhere it actually makes me feel more lost.

i thought i was gonna draw her skeleton and then build it up from there but now i don't know...

>>5063821
looks like yomuyomu.

Done grinding lips for today

Done grinding lips for today

>>5063868
what are you using to learn anon? something specific or just references you find?

>>5063865
You should’ve drawn them on actual faces in different perspectives

>>5063871
Mix of references I found on google images, and a youtube video that I paused and copied from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdLBGJ4wjFA
Also a PDF full of stuff like this that a friend sent me

>>5063447
At least you have great taste in men fellow dick sucker.

>>5063876
Thats the plan for tomorrow. I couldnt figure the forms of the lips till today. Only got symbol drawing lips done

is there any specific exercises that will improve my observational skills

>>5063884
Drawing with reference

>>5063878
Any man should be able to appreciate the chiseled complexion of Dagoth Ur

why does my perspective look so distorted. I read norling's perspective. He said if the Vanishing point is far enough away it won't look distorted but it does.

>>5063897
what the FUCK are you doing?

>>5063897
A-are you actually using a single established vanishing point for one horizon line, and another independently used vanishing point for a completely different horizon line?

>>5063807
I actually just put them there because of habit, lol.
Thinking of it now I don't think they're really helpful in a purely technical sense, it's just are more of a quick way of showing where the eyes exist.

>>5063897
>dont open

>>5063897
this image is schizophrenic

>>5063897
take 30 minutes to review some perspective basics
you are very confused

>>5063897
the window should be following the rooms vp anon

>>5063838
1 page means 3 sheets of paper, both sides

>>5063932
and make sure you're using full uncut sheets of paper.

>>5063932
Shoot for 20 pages. 6 pages are not enough.

>>5063838
I did like 6-10 pages not double sided

>>5063857
Drawing the skeleton is never pointless, it's what will let you figure out the general area of where you should place the muscles. IMO the best path to take is learning the most superficial muscle groups.

In your case, you're trying to replicate the shape of her body by starting with the skeleton first. That is difficult if youre trying to capture her likeness. You cant see them, but only the muscles on top. The only two bones you can see are the two red hip points. The skeleton is only useful for learning the lengths of limbs and placements. After that, the muscles are the most important to capture likeness on the body.

So yeah, learn the hip points in front, and practice visualizing by overlaying the muscle groups on top. Do NOT forget that there is fat on top of those parts of a woman which changes the shapes you actually see, for men it is slightly different.

Painting mostly drunk, is it shit or is it OK?

>>5063958
it's ok. more painting, less booze anon. just keep going.

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>>5063910
I'm such a fucking failure.
i understand nothing.
I'll never amount to anything

>>5063759
ngmi sama........................

>>5063996
>I'll never amount to anything
4 months wasted?

>>5063996
your drawings are cute though, just being retarded on the perspective anon

>>5063996
the girls look okay actually

>>5063998
This doesn't really prove anything.

Am I feeling them forms?

>>5063998
> people help each other
> MGMI sama
Y R U soo bitter?

Rip me !

>>5063996
You can only succeed after you fail. Go review some perspective.

>>5064042
Kino

I wanna become a coomer artist and make a name for myself by drawing coomer art around big cities, books to improve my coomer art skills?

Any feedback in general?

>>5064076
not coom enough

>>5064051
very nice drawing. The only thing I can see is the angle on the hand is weird, we are looking from above that is why the head is tilted towards us but why is the hand doing the same?

>>5064072
this site helped me http://babelab.blogspot.com/?zx=e231a385bf1a831e

>>5063159
PYW? mog me
>>5063722
What is your endgame senpai?
>>5064042
Yes
>>5064051
Look fine to me.
>>5064072
> make a name for myself by drawing coomer art around big cities
Are you under 18?
>>5064076
What are they doing?

>>5063897
thanks for the laugh anon, i needed that

>>5063996
Your drawing is cute, you just need to pay attention to how perspective works in real life, why is the window receding into the distance and getting smaller if it’s sitting on the other side of the room from the viewer with both sides about an equal distance from the viewers eyes? The window should be parallel to the floor

>>5064090
It’s a joke, I just wanna be good at coomer art man.
>>5064083
Thank you for the site, I’m gonna be studying it from now on.

>try to draw a face from reference
>resist urge to break tablet

How did I mess up on this 3 point perspective?

>>5064201
its fine

>>5064219
How? Its skinny on the circle side but wider on the other side?

>>5064221
woah it's almost as if the closer you get to your vp the smaller it's gets

>>5064221
anon, cut out a 1x2 and use that as reference if your confused

>>5064221
Ngmi

>>5064201
1. Vanishing point are to close = Warped cube
2. Use a ruler

>>5062913
>are you ever going to control your lines?
i see people do it all the time with crazy lines like here

>>5063897
>vanishing point
>horizon line
>station point
>obviously non-corridor looking scene
>throws all of it onto one vanishing point
i love the laughs i get from browsing here
btw norling's perspective book is trash, use literally any video course to learn perspective

>>5062913
what is control your lines

am i gonna make it?

>>5064283
Are you gonna help them or what?

>>5064278
Is that your?

>>5064327
Fuck no he didn’t draw that

Hey, I tried again, with a different pose, cause the first one looked too stiff, and it was just bad. Does this look ok? The head is still the same cause I think it looked cute, maybe I'm wrong. End me.

I tried to finish a study from diathorn but I couldn't cause im dogshit.

>>5063846
With ink people usually fill in the area with black and then go over with white out. With pencil people do the same thing but erase out the white lines with a small eraser. That's usually the fastest way to go about it.

>he's thinking about giving up
DON'T DO IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzMYcUty6s

>>5064374
I only think about when I will confident enough to stop JUST studying and try drawfagging in drawthreads

>>5064379
> drawfagging in drawthreads
on which boards?

>>5064385
/tg/ and /v/
/tg/ is nice and comfy
/v/ is a cesspool but theyre happy with anything and sometimes you get cool requests

What's the name of where it's essentially still life's but with people, and the general idea is to get more accustomed to the form of people. I'm not thinking of figure drawing if that helps any.

>>5064441
gesture drawing? croquis? havent heard of what you're describing desu

i will show you guys how to draw

>>5064441
Cast drawing?

>>5064528
Damn this is cool. If I wasnt poor or If I could find a torrent I'd probably switch from photoshop to clipart

>>5063846
>>5064373
Erasing seems like more of a high effort option for when you're working on a larger drawing. Just leaving white paper seems fine for rendering on a pencil sketch?

How am I doing so far?

>>5064318
yes i told them to use a video course to learn perspective instead of a book from the stone age

>>5063634
>you're just gonna fap to it aren't you
Don't mind if I do

Ok, no more chicken scratch. Decided to do a quick study, what's the damage?

>>5064680
Fix the nose and the jaw is too much chad

>>5063996
Boohoohoo.

Face for today. Wish I chose a more interesting ref. I failed too many times trying to draw teeth so I gave up and gave her a closed mouth
I think Im finally gonna take the plunge and actually properly study tone/shadows and how to render in photoshop now on the side with my normal studies

Ok i tried fixing up my perspective does it look less bad now?

>>5064715
Vandruff.

>>5064692
I think you'd do better if you'd stop symbol drawing a bit more. Draw what the thing you are looking at looks like rather than what you think it does.
Like the roots of the hair, the lips etc.

>>5064725
>I think you'd do better if you'd stop symbol drawing a bit more.
I keep trying and while its not gone its slowly getting better. I had no idea how to approach hair, I just see a shit ton of lines and If i try to copy that directly it looks like spaghetti. Lips is probably my fault because I didnt use a reference... tried to draw lips in the ref 3 times and each time it just made her look like a mouth breather with a bucktooth so I gave up and made something up

>>5064715
Look at the ground plane you've established for the wall, and now look at the rug, the sofa leg, and the sofa in general. Put two and two together.

am i good enough to get coombux from furries?

>>5064731
I dont' understand sorry.

>>5064737
His crotch looks like jelly or something

its called the null bulge, apparently its a really niche fetish.

>>5064738
Horizontal line on window/floor/shelf does not match up with slanting horizontal lines on couch and rug
Make em match

>>5064738
anon pls look up perspective.

>>5064750
Not to mention the couch coushin and the legs are both out of sync with the carpet as well, not only is the carpet phasing into the floor, but the couch is seemingly levitating. Did Bethesda© draw this?

>>5064746
why are you posting other people's work anon?
https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/4990652/#q5000259

I think something clicked, I can draw with more control when I lift my hand entirely off the paper, that’s what I was doing at first but I started resting my hand on the paper gently with my pinky because my brain was telling me that was the path of least resistance

>>5064756
Because I can't draw :((

>>5064738

I think something clicked, I can draw with more control when I lift my hand entirely off the paper, that’s what I was doing at first but I started resting my hand on the paper gently with my pinky because my brain was telling me that was the path of least resistance

>>5064749
>>5064750

Aren't I meant to make things reach the vanishing point?
Like the walls are their own thing and everyting has their own VP.

>>5064773
what the FUCK are you doing?

>>5064773
lol

>>5064773

>>5064773
Is this what Edward Pierce saw in the City of R'lyeh?

>>5064773
stylized perspective
based.

>>5064773
really /beg/ here, so idk. just wondering, are you tracing the characters? how are they at the quality they are but you are incapable of doing perspective of a room?

>>5064773
God i feel so sorry for you. You're good at drawing but you have the perspective knowledge of a toddler. It's so bizarre
Read perspective made easy, look up some YouTube videos on one, two, and three point perspective
>>5064792
He's posted here before with sketches and construction stuff. It's what happens when you neglect a fundie i suppose.

>>5064796
I am reading it, I'm up to chapter 14.
>>5064792
I didn't trace them, I referenced them heavily though.

>>5064792
That's what happens when you do nothing but copy anime, you develop motorskills and your mind goes into fully automatic without thinking of the thought process that goes behind drawing without reference. He obviously did the background from imagination.

>>5064811
That's not true, I don't copy anime much at all, I spend most of my time learning anatomy of real people, I just don't have experience at all in back grounds.

retarded for trying to start just before I planned to go to bed. but how's my picasso so far? (I will finish tomorrow) to me it seems decent. doing photography and shit I feel like I have a decent feel for being able to break stuff down and see shapes and lighting.
I want to make sure I get the fundies, but should I also try sketching along side doing the practice? just following the guide feels like there is no set point on where good is good enough to move on and work on other things while still brushing up on previous stuff. Should I do shit like using fundies to create the best image I can (for ex. trying to make a train station with perspective boxed and stuff?) so I get fundy practice and real drawing experience at the same time to limit burnout?

>>5064773
all your vp should be here anon, you're doing a 1 vp perspective for a room

ok I took out the VP on the left. Does it look better now?

>>5064824
You did it anon

Is it cheating if i copy a pose i found online?
Or is that just referencing?
I do this often so I'm wondering.

>>5064845
define copying? tracing wont help you at all, copying a pose at least lets you find the forms. The end goal is to study gesture and anatomy enough that you know what a pose should look like.
Personally if you're still in /beg/ I think its perfectly fine.

How fast should I do cross hatching? Did Morandi draw them quickly or rather slowly and deliberately?

>>5064596
Decent, try constructing some of your own from imagination.

>>5064596
I like how you vary your lines. Keep having fun :)

>>5064680
You added a lot of details and even a little shading. Nice. How about drawing a line from the forehead to the chin for better facial features alignment.

>>5064782
Cthulhu sleeps

>>5064737
Beg crit
1. Make the bear bulkier - (endomorph)
2. Fat is heavy. The belly will push the bulge down
3. Focus on the character. You leave too much "dead" space.
4. Give the bear a bear brother ;) if you catch my drift.

>>5064948
Anon is already better than me

Hand too big

Head too small

Left leg too short?

Shoulder cape isn't defined

Perspective probably all sorts of fucked up

What else?

>>5064948
Draw some bigger ones too.

>>5064955
the clown poster is BETTER THAN ME

>>5064964
In case it’s not clear from the image, those are two pieces of paper next to each other, not one sheet, do I still need some bigger ones?

>>5064953
This is what my ellipses looked like about a week ago, before watching a few Dynamic Sketching videos and realizing I actually do need to grind them everyday

>>5064971
Yes. Bigger ones force you to draw from your shoulder. It's harder to control at first but with practice the end result is much smoother and it won't kill your wrist.

>>5064975
I do draw with my shoulder, at least I think I do, but I guess I could do bigger ones to force my brain to get used to using my shoulder, I just did smaller ones because the large area inside bigger circles wastes space I could be practicing in

Do you guys have a good guide or know how draw really good butts?

>>5064847
I mean finding a pose and copying it.
Not overlaying it, tracing jt or anything just copying the pose, with your eyes.
Is that referencing or something else?

my master study be so fine
then boom i add too much contrast

So far I've just been using B pencils, gonna go buy some better ones.
Which ones do I need? 2B, 4B, 6B, 9B?

>>5064953
shut the fuck up retard

>>5064974
I was trying to meme. Keep up the good work.

I kinda have a bit of a feel for individual features
struggling to throw it all together from random angles
Lot of times I will do a portrait without trying to measure anything. Just eyeballing.
Every feature will be fine but they'll all be off by a couple centimeters and it makes it look retarded
I can do a straight forward portrait but from an angle is very hard

I feel like what I need to do is draw those shape outlines onto the heads first. Like with the sphere with the circle wrapping around the brow area.
But idk how tf people do that
I get that its just lines but it just feels like a rest of the fucking owl type thing
People link tutorials on how to do it and its some dude making like 7 shapes look like a human.
Like my hand just doesn't do it. I can't even get close unless I zoom in and just copy it pixel for pixel painfully slowly. Trying to just 'feel it' in one stroke doesn't work either.

I can move paint around a canvas and make it look like an eye, or a nose, or lips, etc
but I can't seem to just put lines on a page and make them look like the structure of what I'm drawing.
Watching other people do it makes it seem like magic

>>5064824
Fix the carpet one tho, make it completely straight

>>5065064
practice bro. grind 2-3 value studies like pic related if you want to git gud at painting faces. also try doing asaro heads and master studies i think

>>5065077
I practice by doing portrait studies whenever I'm bored and delirious at 3am right now.
As long as this is the right track, I'll keep doing it.
I just wanted to make sure it comes with repetition of portrait studies and not something else like drawing circles and boxes like an autist.

>>5065077
I do full body, no face sometimes too.
I find that much easier

>>5064955
Tentative Start on linework before bed

>>5065134
i love this and i love you

>>5065137
Thank you

Almost every commission I’ve done I’ve had the client ask me to change shit when I send them the sketches to review. Is this a personal failing, or do I need to be more assertive with getting a good initial description from the client?

>>5062330
Anyone have good advice on how to draw heads in extreme perspective, particularly from below as if you're a child or their on a surface above you?

>>5064773
Dude please at least go through Perspective Made Easy. Take a couple days to level up your perspective.

>>5063447
Use Ref
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaClsO5VMAErGCn?format=jpg&name=large

>>5065567
based and gay

>>5065567
>>5063878
>>5063447
Based Sharmat posters

Come, look upon the heart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M&t=90s&ab_channel=youngscrolls

Oh, oh, ohh

>>5064773

>>5065567
Where do you find ref like this?

>>5065650
/hm/ or yandex.ru m8.

I don't get reflections I get that you just mirror stuff but how does it work?
The moon is covered up in the reflection, how are you meant to know that or the small hill on the bottom left is very different from it's reflection in terms of shape

>>5065134
Couldn't sleep.

Worked on this a little more.

God I just want to get better.

Line weight kickin my ass

Facial features kickin my ass

Drawin kickin my ass

Hair kickin my ass

I want to give up but I know I need to push through this shit. Ah well.

instead of using rulers is it fine to just use the shift on photoshop to get straight lines? I don't see how it could hurt me since whenever there is a situation where I would need a ruler in the future, this feature is not really that different other than being more accurate. I would only use it in purely geometric stuff like boxes or horizon lines, where accuracy makes a big difference in outcome.

>>5065679
You can do what you like, everyone uses a ruler when they need a straight line

>>5065663
Fuuuck that hand is massive

Fuuuck that shin and ankle are so thin.

Fixed it a bit I think.

Fuuuck why does it look so flat without the sketch layers

thread is fucking dead make the new one already

>>5065759
no u

ok I've read through perspective made easy.
I didn't learn about foreshortening or 3 point perspective. Where do I learn that from properly?

>>5065787
robertson

NEW THREAD

>>5065810

>>5065787
vandruff

WHEN DO I GET TO DRAW CARTOONS??

Ok no more upside down traces.. I think I got the hang of it now to trace with the eye... Oh god.

Am I drawing too fast, do I need to take it slow? symbol drawing is a bitch.

>>5067097
zero construction and bad results. Yes you are skipping about at least 30 things you should know before even attempting to draw an eye yet. You're literally the definition of symbol drawing, stop what you're doing and learn to draw heads first.

>>5064824
Girl on the right, look at the length of her lower leg. Its like 30% longer than the other girl or her other leg

>>5067337
she's leaning or titled

>>5067348
No her left lwf (our right) is too long