/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

You crab people on /ic/

>>5057903
i fish for complements

>>5057903
Talent is real but it's a matter of rate of improvement, not a skill cap limit. If you can appreciate good art, you can make it. Up to you whether you want to make good art.

This is like op's 10th bitch baby thread this month

>>5057912
I drew for 4 months and there was no improvement whatsoever, I can't never become an artist, never can hope to share my ideas with the world, it's over for me.

Then if I'm talentless why do I want to do this? It's impossible for me to get better, I wasted 4 months of my life and others improve
Why am I so inferior to everything in art?

>>5057903
>>5057918
Oh no he’s back, fuck no

It’s a good drawing on the left dumbass

>>5057928
It's not good at all, I can't grasp the form, I can't grasp perspective or construction, I'm useless and hopeless. Why do I even want this?
People on /beg/ did more and they started alongside me, I'm fucking old at 20 years old which means I'm going to be forever useless at art, you either have the talent or not.

>>5057918
Because you fell for the "just draw" meme instead of studying.

>>5057912
It's a combination. Everyone has a limit and talent helps you reach it faster.

You can have a talented person with low limit who will become a mediocre person in whatever field, yet was seen as a prodigy when young.

And a talentless person who will grind their way to mastery.

>>5057934
That croc is not bad at all.

>>5057935
Is the just draw meme Loomis+Eviston+Marco Bucci+Perspective Made Easy+Keys To Drawing+Dynamic Sketching+Drawabox+Right Side of The Brain+Grinding Fundies every day or are you talking out of your ass?
>>5057939
Check above, why? I did that not fully but constantly changing but I lost

>>5057942
Lies, people on /beg/ are way better than me and they draw 30 minutes a day, it's over, talent is real
That one twitter artist that practiced 100 days (3 months vs my 4 months) is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than me,

I'm so fucking crushed and in complete despair over wasting 4 months chasing a dream that will never be, what is it that makes me unfit for art? I just want to know this to move on and be in peace, in peace and defeat.

What makes me inferior and unable to improve at a decent pace? 4 months of effort and I never got to see the spark of talent in anything I did, it's over.

4 months!!!

>>5057946
Bruh, there are kids that are smater than me, but I still try to learn, there are teenagers stronger than me, but I still go to the gym. Just because I don't fall to the right of a population curve doesn't mean I stop trying to improve.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT MAKES ME UNFIT FOR ART? NO ONE EVER TOLD ME "GMI" NO ONE EVER DID
Others that are now better than me got it so WHAT MAKES ME INFERIOR?

>>5057904
/thread

>>5057926
I keep seeing you complaining about wasting 4 months of your life and making zero gains. Just turn into a crab already and shit on other people who are trying their damnedest to be better everyday.

>>5057967
NO, i DON't want to do that, I need answers
WHAT makes me inferior?

>>5057969
>WHAT makes me inferior?
The rest of /ic/ is drawing porn

>>5057969
>WHAT makes me inferior?
the fact that you're making these threads instead of seeking out a critique from a professional and then acting on it.
>>5057964
Those are some cool birds. Keep drawing them even though people want to draw porn.

>>5057903
I AM SO TIRED OF YOUR FAGGOTRY.
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

>>5057981
There's a person on /beg/ who started at the same time as me, he's way better now but what gives him the right? I was the one who was grinding fundies my 4 hours a day vs his 30 minutes, that's what bothers me
I WANTED TO BE A REAL ARTIST, painting, galleries, make people see things my way but at this rate, I would need to live for centuries to reach the same progress some do in 5 years

>>5057984
Only good post itt. Op repeats himself saying this shit >>5057985 every other day

just fuck off and die then faggot

is there anyway I can contact you? I love your art a lot actually and have an idea

can I use your first image for cover art?

We need more shizos on /ic/

>>5057993
Sure I guess
>>5057988
No contact whatsoever

If you keep this up it'll be 1 month of complaining, then 2, then 3, then 4 and so on and so forth until you've spent more time complaining that you did practicing.

>>5058015
Why should I try again when others defeated me? When no one ever told me GMI?

>>5058027
You should shut the fuck up bitch

>>5058027
GMI

>>5057985
> what gives him the right?
Nothing does. He just seems to be further along.
>I was the one who was grinding fundies my 4 hours a day vs his 30 minutes,
Time spent practicing isn't as important as engaging with the material intelligently and thinking about what you're doing. He might be practicing more efficiently than you. He also might just be smarter than you.
>I WANTED TO BE A REAL ARTIST, painting
You can still do that if you practice efficiently, even if it takes longer. Don't count on it as a full career though. Have a backup plan.
>make people see things my way but at this rate
It sounds like you want attention and only see making progress as a way to get that.
>>5058027
> when others defeated me?
Why are you comparing yourself to others constantly? Is it because they think they'll get more attention than you? If that's all that concerns you in life, you're going to die an unhappy narcissist. Accept that it will take time to learn to draw. If you can't do that and need attention ASAP, start on hormones and an onlyfans.

>>5057903
By opening a lot of useless threads on 4chan.
You are doing great. Keep it up.

>>5057903

Accept that you're talentless, and draw more to make up the gap. This is the way.

I literally practice 5 minutes a day before going to colledge and I can do better art than you.
What a talentless faggot, cope.
Also you are a crybaby and loser, begone from /ic/

>>5057903
>>5057926
>>5057934
>>5057946
>>5057948
>>5057952
>>5057954
>>5057964


Have you tried being less of a retarded faggot?

>>5057903
apply to be a janny

DARE I try? To be talented??

if its over then fucking stop already

i believe in you OP, keep drawing and get out of this cesspool

>>5057903
Accept it and work on it.

>>5057944
dude you can get better without really studying all of that. i know i did. i read maybe 1/10 of a loomis out of all that. believe me or not i dont care. people have been doing great drawings before any of these resources. your studies have to be mindful. draw. evaluate your weakness. study that part. study other artists and see how they tackled it. draw from life. draw from different angles. observe parts that are unclear to you. work on your lines and be mindful. focus on a path which is actually difficult for a beg because there are so many advice that are each suited towards different styles and even a lot of bad advice from teachers.

>>5058183
>>5058182
>>5058206
>>5058132
HOW CAN I WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE >>5058138
I'VE BEEN DEFEATED, CRUSHED and I'm scarred by people calling me talentless
I'M LITERALLY THE WORST ARTIST ON /IC/ ON /BEG/
On lack of sleep, pushed on the daily, kept at it, told myself to never get distracted
kept at it when reason told me to stop, results negative and progress none, If the dream is to make art you're bound to get insulted and fail at every single try, can't even admire nor praise the ones that inspired me to begin, on eternal shadow, hidden like a failure come true, masters and idols turn into demons that chase me, high expectations no realization, neither actualization, unchanging failure and striking defeat.

>>5057939
Everyone's limit is the same. How you draw an apple doesn't magically completely change from one person to the next; this logic applies to any and all forms.

To continue is to be foolish on reverse, no one ever told me to go on, gave me hope
Persecuted and punished over my lack of gift, I'm complete hopeless
4 months I would draw and draw, rarely had fun spent it all grinding, hoping that one day I'd make it, my own personal expectation, memory exalted and a goal met.

>>5058219
Well, my art is better even without practicing...
Sorry dude.
You are just talentless, maybe try music?

Never favored by art, she would never look my way, he would never spare a gift for myself
Repetition turns mindless, 2020, constant attempts that are rendered fruitless, beggar on an atelier, to be spared no mercy no second thought, fading away like ice under scorching judgment

>>5058226
Post your work

>>5058229

>>5058232
Oh fuck off, I've done shit like that already so no need for you to stroke your ego over nothing, I can go to /beg/ and see something that's crushing for real

talent doesn't exist, privilege does
being an artist is a privilege. having the resources when you're young to study art is a privilege, having the support growing up to do art is a privilege, being born in an area where education is available is a priverlage, having the financial comfort to go into art school and risk art as a career is a privilege

i know this is pretty sjw speak but most artists don't think they're privileged and will tell you that you are and want you to hate yourself for being white

>>5058237
It's real, see my 4 months vs his 100 days >>5058236

>>5058232
I kneel

>>5058237
>>5058238
BESIDES I'M TOO OLD TO BE AN ARTIST BECAUSE OF NEUROPLASTICITY
I'M 20
WAY TOO OLD

>>5058236
none of these progress things are realistic
>left - post a rough sketch they did in 5 minutes
>right - post a fully rendered piece that took them hours to complete

>>5058240
im 25 and want to kill myself

>>5058240
>>5058243
I'm 35 and I started drawing 3 months ago. Enjoying it so far :)

>>5057918
You fucking moron, I TOLD YOU TO READ BOOKS LIKE A MONTH AGO AND YOU ARE ATILL HERE?!?! COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SAME SHIT?! NGMI

WHAT MAKES ME INFERIOR? WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING THAT QUESTION
TELL ME SO I CAN MOVE ON
I ALREADY KNOW IM HOPELESS BUT IM ANGRY AT ALL THOSE MONTHS I WASTED, WHAT MAKES ME INFERIOR?
>>5058250
See this shit >>5058236 and this >>5057944
If nothing from that list worked then what makes you think those books would work?

Hey OP, do you have a mental disorder? If so, which ones? I can give you a special art tip.

fIRST drawing I posted here, 4 months ago maybe 5 by now

>>5057903
You aren't talentless, you just haven't practiced enough or haven't learned enough. It takes time to learn to anything. I dunno what is with you people who think a few months of drawing will make you at par with someone who has been drawing for decades

>>5058254
BPD and Trauma

>>5058252
Because you have an ego problem.

>>5058260
There is one anon on /beg/ who started at the same time, he does nothing but heads and draws 30 minutes a day, he's wat better than me
that makes me talentless
read this >>5057944

>>5058252
What a loser.
Your attitude is the worst.
You are NGTM.

WHAT MAKES ME A FAILURE?
Here I tried to do Vilppu but gave up since I didnt get it, I just cant into gesture so I gave up

>>5058266
ngmi*

>>5058252
Because you complain here instead of trying to learn, identify the problems you have and then attempt in fixing the problem.

/ic/ needs more shizos, do you guys agree?

>>5058269
More Failure with vilppu, I cant ever do it again Im too scared to try again and fail
I dont draw anymore, I cant, I mostly sleep all day

>>5058265
You are a moron to compare yourself to others. And how do you know what others do all the time. They could be practicing more than you. Just because they share 30 minutes of their head studies online doesn't mean that is the only thing they do. And the quality of your studies also matter.

>>5058261
It’s the BPD and trauma making you frantic. You’ve been drawing nicely but the mental illness doesn’t allow you to see it.

>>5058278
That's what they always tell /beg/ and it fits, they used to be worse at it but they're actually improving
look at the drawings I posted, not a single spark of skill, progress or talent
I cant GRASP FORM I FUCKING CANT

>>5058285
>>5058278
tRIED again and failed, I always fail

>>5058285
Post your first drawing vs your newest drawing,
Picture them side by side or edit them next to each other.

>>5058286
What is that supposed to be? Perspective studies? Or identifying gestures and form of abstract shapes. And what makes you think you failed? Where did you fail? What were you thinking of accomplishing before you did that piece? Did you have a goal in mind?

>>5058258
First Drawing
and I dont remember my last drawing, got them all from the archive, I deleted the originals since I gave up
>>5058292
Contour drawing, dynamic sketching week 2 - organic forms
imply volume and direction, make things look 3d, i was never able to do that in my 4 months

This was during month 2 or 3, ive been getting worse
i never made a single good drawing, im talentless
>>5058283
DONT FUCKING LIE TO ME
I wont take your false hope, dont pity me

shitty watercolor, had fun but its shit so i destroyed it along with all the other drawings and tools

>>5058295
I haven't taken the dynamic sketching course but that looks good enough to me. You know how forms turn, why do you think you failed? To make it look 3d for that organic shape with just lines, you have to show the other side of the form as well.

>>5058292
>>5058288
>>5058295
This is the guy from /beg/ that's way better than me, we both started at the same time
>>5055337
>>5058305
I don't know how they turn, fluke. I failed at it so I can never try again.

>>5058308
People lie about when they started drawing here.

A person with talent humiliated me in a thread
>>/ic/thread/5009484#p5014392
>>5058271
false hope. what makes me inferior?
>>5058250
FALSE HOPE LOOK AT THIS
>>/ic/thread/5009484#p5014392
someone with talent humiliated me

>>5058310
That means you think his work is better than mine but he has been posting a head daily so it checks out that means he's better than me because he has talent
4 HOURS A DAY, i practiced 4 hours a day and he does 30 minutes
IM TALENTLESS
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

I want to cry
I wanted to be an artist, tell stories that can only be told as I imagine with extraordinary visuals, make paintings and more but this will never happen
Talent, I don't want to judge but talent goes to the ones that draw porn and not to me, ART HATES ME.

>>5058322
i want to cut my tendons on my right hand as to never be tempted into drawing again, I want to cry so hard

>>5058322
>talent is only given to those who draw smut
Pornfags really are the old masters of today.

>>5058308
You are like a broken record repeating the same thing.
First, of all people can lie about their progress,

Second, their past efforts also matters, they could have been drawing their whole life as a hobby and only recently started learning to draw seriously. Whereas you who are an absolute beginner just started. Of course they'll do better than you in some areas.

Third, why did you stop at just that, when that "fluke" as you said turned out good enough?

You seem to be the person who doesn't want to do the hard work, gets fed up after a mere four months of drawing boxes, shapes, learning perspective etc. Then you blame it all into your supposed "talentlessness" instead of diligently studying.

>>5058331
Both are absolute beginners, I did my research on that anon
No one ever like a drawing of mine, no one ever told me GMI as they did with others and 4 months I lasted doing this, suffering at the hands of art, an artform that rejects me
There is no spark of talent in any drawing I make, why? JUST GIVE ME THE REASON ALREADY

>>5058269
Ahh, please stop posting that. At least crop out my handwriting, or go back to warosu and screenshot everything else I wrote out for you.

>>5058340
YOU GAVE ME FALSE HOPE, YOU LIED TO ME AND NOW IM TOO HURT TO EVER TRTY VILPPU AGAIN
FUCK YOU I LOATHE YOU

>>5058340
You will be remembered as the anon who tried to shizo anon with your crappy handwriting as a universal signaturez

>>5058344
Tried to help*
Universal signature*

>>5058311
What makes you inferior? Your attitude to drawing essentially. How do you know they only draw for 30 minutes? You don't know their background. Brushing aside my argument for just false hope instead of properly answering it
If you are so adamant at calling yourself talentless then you are. Why don't you quit learning to draw if it gives you this much pain. Spare us the drama

Art can go fuck herself, she'd rather give talent to those who want to draw porn, FUCK HER
FUCK ART

>>5058336
Calling me a beginner lol, I may not be a very good artist but I am certainly not a beginner, here's a painting I did.

>>5058352
who the fuck are you? no one even mentioned and ive never seen your art before
im talking about me and that guy
YOU JUST WANT TO STROKE YOUR EGO
YOURE PATHETIC
FUC KYOU

>>5058353
Well you called me a beginner, or maybe I misread it, anyways that's not the point. The point is that comparing yourself with others will get you nowhere. If I told you I started last year will you quit drawing because you feel "ah I am so talenless".

>>5058360
Yes I would quit because that progress would become average, it is average, by 4 months in I should be better, that anon i linked has normal progress, hes either talented or average
im below average, wouldnt you agree?
also nice reading comprehension stupid piece of shit

>>5058364
Lol, It was an honest mistake. If you tell someone that they are a beginner when they've put their ass working so god damn hard, they would want to flaunt their skills.
Anyways I didn't start an year ago desu, I started in 2016ish if that makes you feel any better. You won't see any visible progress in the first few months or even an year. Don't stop drawing, and don't compare yourself to others, if you truly do love drawing. Draw for fun, when doing studies make it entertaining for you. That would make it more bearable.

>>5058375
Flaunt? I fdont give a shit about your art or your journey, Ill forget your drawing by tomorrow so dont stroke your ego on me
Iahould have known you were trying 5o lookdown on me, so much for "helping"
GET THE FUCK OUT YOU TALENTED PIECE OF SHIT
DONT GIVE ME FALSE HOPE
I WASTED 4 MONTHS NO MORE

>>5058380
Then stop drawing. Its that simple. Even I look down on you as a a lazy individual who can't even work hard then complains about not having talent.

4 MONTHS, I WASTED 4 MONTHS.
My precious 4 months, I can't believe it. I cry every time I think about those 4 months in 2015 . My 4 months, what have I done.

>>5058364
do you just give up on everything you do?

>>5058380
oh no not you again
its not our fault you dont actually like drawing

>>5057903
>How can I cope with being talentless?

Kill them

>>5058637
this anon got it right. nobody can be more talented than you if they're all dead.

>>5058181
So you caught on, huh?

>>5058637
good show, very entertaining.

>>5058637
>>5058719
TLDR of the show?

>>5058719
It’s not a good show but it is entertaining.
>>5058723
If I tell you it will spoil you immediately, watch the first episode. You might think it’s a my hero academia clone.

>>5058384
>>5058631
Fuck off
>>5058629
Yes

>>5058384
Lazy individual? You know nothing
What about my hard work? What about this >>5057944
You just want to feel good but are too stupid to even read

>>5057903
>didn't read sticky

>>5058933
Why are artists so stupid and unable to
read? Look at what I did 4 hours a day >>5058912

>>5058945
Nothing about the sticky in your post

>>5058950
Am I talentless?

>>5057903
>>5058252

Serious advice here.

Why don't you try drawing instead of complaining about your problems on /ic/, literally every single artist that's ever lived has been at your level at one point in time. Despite that they never gave up, your problem isn't that you lack talent or your ego, it's that you don't believe in yourself enough. Read some art books from the artbook threads, watch some courses, use youtube videos, do masterstudies of artists you look up to, you have no excuses. We live in an age of knowledge and information, where you can literally get just about anything you want for free most of the time.

In short, just draw. That's all there is to it. And within time you will make progress, it just takes time.

>>5058252
Never going to make it lmao

>>5057903
Draw more faggot

>>5058967
Same goes for you, a twitter artist or a low tier industry job is all you're ever going to get. A machine might just replace you

>>5058963
This is the other anon from /beg/, 4 months for this prigress, that's talent
I just don't have it
To draw like the left in your pic ar my rate of improvement it'd take WASTED YEARS
4 months and I gained nothing

>>5058976
good bye then, no one will miss your miserable personality here

>>5058979
Shut the fuck up

>>5058976
Well yeah, no shit it takes time. It can take 5 years even decades to get to a pretty good level, that's because art is just too damn complicated. As I stated previously even the best artists had to go through a lot of hardships to get to where they are now, my point is that you are not alone in this.
If you don't want to spend "wasted years" grinding then give up now. But if you want to actually make it, then draw for about 3/5 hours a day, and within years you will see progress. It's not fair that we have to spend so long studying our art, but that's just the way it is. Even the best med students have to study for 7-12 hours a day and even then it takes them about 10 years or longer to get to a high level, we are just human we have limits.

>>5058976
He read books, he practiced fundies, also 4 months is literally nothing, come back in two years, and it will still be literally nothing. Reason is that we fumble around figuring out how to study. Eventually(after like 4 years, at least for me) you find out how to study and what to study. That's why you should just leave /ic/. It's a place to find out what to study, Not a place to try and learn from. Go read perspective made easy by Ernest Norling, then go from there. I started "drawing" in 2013. It's been 7 years, and I only read that book on January of this year. I wasted alot of time trying to do what I thought was right. So stop wasting time on /ic/. By the way, I'm 26. You are 20. You've got time. Hurry up and read chapter one

>>5058993
NO HE DIDN'T THATS THE FUCKING POINT
HE TOLD ME ON /BEG/ AND IT WASNT BS BEVAUSE IT SHOWS
HES TALENTED
IM NOT
ALL HE DID WAS THE COMPLETE BUCCI COURSE AND O E HEAD A DAY FOR 30 MINITES
ITS OVER

>>5058990
If you take this dude literally you will burn out. Baby steps anon. I've been drawing all year long. I give it 1 - 2 hours a day. Sometimes 5 on weekends and sometimes days off to avoid burn out.

My last burnout set me back 4 months. That was like a year ago. Never again.

>>5058993
>>5058999
Is like everyone jist ig ores that, he did t
Thats my point
Read what I used in 4 mo ths
I WAS THE O E GRINDING FUNDIES
HE JUST DID A HEAD A SHITTY HEAD FOR 30 MONITES A DAY
>>5057944

>>5058999
He just copied a loomis head.. anon

He used reference

Useless schizo thread