/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

People skills
Introverts can't be successful artists
Find a Chad or Stacy, even if it has to be someone that bullied you, and beg them to teach you how to be sociable and network
That is your only option, otherwise give up

>>5039092
give up, I do then.

>>5039092
>people skills
lol
what’s the name of the girl whose entire personality is screaming at charities to stop helping autistic people because “lol i’m autistic and it’s not a big deal, stop making autism look bad”
I keep confusing her with loish

>>5039090
>git gud
>shill yourself in all social media
>interact with a couple people
>do a bit of trend hopping to garner followers
>get somewhat popular
>start opening commissions and over value yourself
>make dollarinos and coombux later on

>People skills
lmao
You need to draw things people find appealing. For example, I can tell you right now that if A)You don't completely suck and B) draw a softcore lesbian Overwatch piece and immediately afterwards a commissions chart, you WILL get at least 1 commission.

>>5039099
Farewell, Starbucks is always hiring

>>5039114
I just drew what you said in my sketchbook
When do the commissions start rolling in?

>>5039117
you gotta mail the sketchbook to the publisher first

>>5039115
m from a third world country, not many Starbucks here bro

>>5039122
Which one?

>>5039119
Its got all my theories about society and the government next to my drawings, sure they won't mind? Also how to pick publisher i only have one sketchbook

>>5039090
there are many ways to go about it but the easiest way is
•either be actually good at art or have a quirky appealing artstyle (a pleasant colorpalette does wonders in making your art appealing to normies, don't just post sketches/lineart all the time)
•draw fanart of very popular franchises especially around the time they have big events coming up, like let's say There's a new pokemon game coming up and they reveal a new Eevee, Draw a billion drawings of it, bonus points of it's in a bikini
•just general trend hopping
other helpful tips would be to do milestones every 100 or so followers to encourage interaction like having an art share or saying you'll do a free request for one of the people who Retweeted your post after a certain deadline, People love those and it brings attention to your profile

>>5039136
India

>>5039159
Sadly, I only work with monochrome, and that too with traditional means

>>5039174
Based pajeet anon making hundreds of dollarinos and only spending a McDonald’s worth of food in rent

>>5039179
Haven't made a penny with my work, desu. Either my work is really atrocious, or people just don't like the things I draw, or both.

>>5039194
pyw

>>5039194
What part of india?

>>5039251

>>5039262
Delhi

>>5039275

>>5039282

>>5039279
What kind of art do you make?

>>5039304

I mostly draw things that I dream

>>5039286
>>5039282
>>5039275
Is that what's on the indian's mind?

>>5039347
Do Hindu art. I love that stuff. But make super gritty and weird. Like the artist who made the concept art for alien
Giger

>>5039286
looks like a wojak drawing in the thumbnail

>>5039275
this looks like a coomer wojak meme

>>5039351

here's an old sketch of the Nataraja aspect of the Hindu God Shiva

>>5039361

Mahakala Bhairava Shiva

>>5039348
well, it's on my mind

>>5039361
Based
You should work with color too

>>5039275
>>5039282
>>5039286
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>>5039368
Generic gross out / body horror art. Poor, smudgy technique that looks incredibly amateurish. The interest in this stuff is also super niche.

You can forget about doing commissions with what you've currently got.

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>>5039355
these posts were made one minute apart jesus christ

>>5039388
Si Señor

>>5039384
thanks, anon

>>5039090
commissions has nothing to do with your social skills, i can assure you that none of the replies about "social skills" got a commission ever. the only social skill you need is to be polite, saying hi, thanks, and shit like that.


now the important thing:

>skills
you need to have a certain ammount of knowledge in art to be able to get some bucks, commissioners are more worried of their characters being portrayed the way they want, and thats translate to good anatomy.

>fetishes
if you lack skill, you can always pander someone disgusting fetiches/kinks, is more easy to get money this way, but your soul drain faster.

>furries
aside from the meme that this is easy money, you need to be above the average artist, furries are more fussy than the average commissioner, even the smallest detail can trigger them into telling other people that you arent that good, this will slowly kill your "furry art carreer" so be carefull.

about pricing, start cheap, a range of 25-50 usd for a full pic is not bad. here is the trick i use to raise my prices. if you open commissions in social media or forums like /aco/.

if you get less than 5 commissions; low your price, is hard, but maybe your prices are too high for your actual skill.

if you get 6-11 commissions; your prices are good for your skill.

if you get 15+ commissions; the demand is too high, you need to raise your prices the next time you open comms.


now in general tips

>avoid mid-long term conversations with commissioners
these fuckers dont know when to shut up if you give them the chance, they will flood you with other people art of their ocs, or directly tell you lores about them longer than the lord of the rings story.

>payment upfront
do not let people fool you with promises, they pay or you dont start drawing, if they ask for rough sketchs to be sure both of you are on the same page, thats ok, but not over do that....

>>5039431
Where go for commissions

>>5039431
>one commission
dont let comms stack, do one, then when you done, move to the next one, if you let 10 people pay you, you will get stressed at some point.

>hard requests
if you think you cant handle something, dont do it, dont be scared of saying no. if you let them, commissioners will push you to do shit you dont like

>the faster, the better
a commission that passes the month to be finish, is a red flag in the eyes of commissioners, dont make them wait, if you deliver in 3-7 ways, they will consider commissioning you again and again.

>act like an artist
dont post your political views, do not comment in controversial shit, avoid being involved in drama and dont use your social media and followers as a diary, nobody cares about your life, they only want to see your art. remember that in these days, people is unable to separate the artist from the art, if you say that you hate black people, your art become a symbol of racism and hate speech.

>>5039448
it depends on what you are doing/want to do.
twitter, newgrounds, instagram are places where you need to build a fanbase first, it dosnt mean it cant be done, but is kinda hard.

in other hand, /aco/ commission thread, big artists discords with commission channels are right now the best thing to start, is easy to catch a few commissions.

>>5039431
>if you get less than 5 commissions; low your price, is hard, but maybe your prices are too high for your actual skill.
>if you get 6-11 commissions; your prices are good for your skill.
I’m not feeling this.
Why would you want to do 10 commissions at 25 instead of 5 at 50?

>>5039472
because if you are a beg, who would pay you 50 bucks?

>>5039475
You’re making baseless assumptions.
You said to charge 25-50
So say you charge 50 and get 5 commissions
according to you that means you should charge less so you could get more commissions
My question is why would you strive to do more work for the same amount of money?

>>5039478
Charge 45 and get 10 comms?

>>5039090
>How does one get commissions, ic?
>be from a 3rd world country
>work hard as fuck (around 8 hours a day) instead of shitposting
>get comissioned
>250-300$ a piece

have fun

>>5039478
ok anon, im gonna explain this to you a way you can understand.

lets say you are an apple merchant.
you take your apples and go to the market, there are a lot of apple merchants, all selling apples that are a bit or less better than yours, even the same.
everyone on the market price their apple around 50 cents, is a good price for an apple, in the average day, everyone sells around 50 apples, thats 25 dollars.
but you cant stand these peasants selling apples so cheap, so you decided to sell your apples at 1 dollar, despite the fact that your apples taste the same as others.
in the average day, you sell 4 apples, yes, your effort is rewarded. You selling apples twice the price of an average apple, but at the end of the day, it takes you a week to get the same ammount of money as other apple merchants.

Why? BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK WILL SOMEONE BUY AN APPLE AT 1 DOLLAR WHEN THEY CAN GET 2 AS GOOD FOR THE SAME PRICE.

no one cares about the effort or the time you put in your artwork, they only care for the final result, is your problem if take you so much to produce the same quality drawings, the same quality that floods the internet right now. there is nothing special in your art, nothing that make it stand over others.

Again; why will the average commissioner pay you the twice the ammount, when they can get the same a lot cheaper? because you tried really hard? lmao

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>>5039368
You clearly have the skillset required to make something of worth, it's just that your subject matter isn't very appealing, doesn't have a big audience, and has been done to death by better artists, you're competing with a pack of wolves for a few scraps of meat.
it's fine to draw it just because you enioy drawing it, just don't expect it to bring you much money.

>>5039511
I get you probably don't want to be recognized but can you post something that is equivalent to your current skill level/style please? I'm curious.

>>5039514
You are not very intelligent, because you are forgetting the most important part. These "apples" take several hours of your toil to grow; Each. Anon was saying if you charge double and sell half as many apples. You are making the same but working less. I'm not surprised that you forgot the most important part in your analogy, because you are a just larping as an artist. The idea that you have to spend actual time drawing is a forlorn concept to you, it's no surprise you forgot to work it into your analogy.

>>5039771
it dosnt work like that, i guess you didnt understand what i was trying to say.

first and again, it dosnt matter how much time you put into apples growing, taking care of them, at the end all it matters is the flavor.

in commissions, you are assuming that this specific anon will sell his art that worth 25 dollars at 50, just because he put so much effort on it?

artists of the same level will sell more just because they are more cheap, even if these artists only get 8 comms per month, they still doing 200. but an artist of the same level selling their comms at 50, will only do 50 or 100 at much.

remember that commissions arent wage per time, you pay for a piece of specific quality, it dosnt matter if you take 12 hours daily per 2 weeks working on it if the result isnt that good.

>>5039744
>I get you probably don't want to be recognized but can you post something that is equivalent to your current skill level/style please? I'm curious.
sent :)

>>5039090
I actually got recommended by a fren to one of his clients and his client probs recommended me to another and ( hopefully ) so on

>>5039963
Great slavic humor there.

>>5039286
>>5039282
>>5039275
Very weird shit.
Don't even know who you would market this too.
Maybe film studios looking for CGI concept art.
I'd get into 3D modelling or something

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>>5039286

>>5039361

>>5039368

You're fucking good, don't try to pivot towards sellable bs . You'll be even better in the coming years , people will take interest if you put it out there.

Have you ever tried using pen/ink brushes? I drew for years & years with graphite but now I can only use ink, the end result can look much better.

>>5039431
>>5039459
>>5039475
>>5039514
>>5039949
you’re retarded and probably work for peanuts

>>5039090
Do fanart, show that you can draw characters/environments well EZ

>>5040240
whatever

>>5040234
>people will take interest if you put it out there.
Weak and meaningless advise. The SkyY is ThE LimiT!!

>>5040416
are you bragging about your earnings with an image of you making 500 in a month?

>>5039090
When you get them, how do you get rid of them?

>>5039388
That beret is not up to scratch, ok?

>>5040416
>if you get 5 commissions charge less
>does 1 commission
why the fuck are you even arguing when you’re doing what the other anon said makes more sense?

>>5040453
Better advice than most here.

Draw what you want until you're satisfied with your own style. I don't give a fuck if I can make $50 drawing digital hentai and superhero fanart, it is boring.

>>5039388
this pajeet either draws better than you or you're an animu fag sell-out.

>>5039459
>/aco/ commission thread
THIS DOESN'T EXIST where is this thread?

>>5040464
Not that anon but if you're a pro please share wisdom, $500 per month is good for me.

>>5039275
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>>5039368
Bro, trust me, you have the skill, you can opt for more trendy themes with bigger market but I recommend sticking with this and make a blog. Try to build a following even slowly. We quite have similar style, I get commissions for allbum covers, book covers and tattoo design from instagram. I don't make bank but it is growing. People will always tell you to do something more profitable and soulless but for me it's better to just get a day job for support then do art you love. You can always adjust according to what people would like to see but you don't have to change genre.

>>5039090
I got an art grad friend who had to grind for 12k twitter followers doing stylistic anime, but then they got stomped by some furry just drawing Yordles and Pokemon ocs who got to 50k in under a year. So there's that.

>>5040571
dude there's a whole discord.
https://discord.com/invite/T828WNS

>>5039275
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>>5039368
I'd totally commission you to draw some weird ass shit. (If I had money lmao)

>>5039738
Noted, anon. Thanks :)
>>5040176
Yeah, not many people like the things I draw
>>5040234
Thanks, anon. I usually work with graphite, sometimes wash. Did try pen but I never got the values right, my cross hatching is really poor.
>>5040618
Thanks, anon. Yeah, I've not put much effort into getting exposure, desu. Think I'll either start a blog, or get on Twitter. And I'm happy for you that you're getting commissions. Godspeed!
>>5040918
Thanks, lol.

>>5040842
where do I get furry commissions
do they have website?

>>5039275
I think you'd be better suited for gallery sales imo. I could see work like this selling well in a place like Austin, Texas, or anywhere with a large drug/art-positive community. Cool work btw.

>>5039431
thnx for this cuh. how do you deal with revisions?

>>5039275
>>5039282
>>5039286
if you want to make money, you have to sell out
you can't draw shit like this bro, if you wanna make money, you have to make a product that people want to buy
do you understand?

>>5041067
Noted & thanks, anon
>>5041070
Noted, anon

>>5041068
nagatoro poster here. try to explain that you dont do more than 2 revisions.

try to always send the final sketch, and other screenshot when you gonna start rendering the lineart if you do that. do not let commissioners take control over the commission after that point.

>>5041188
I'm in your same boat I think op, if you have a socialshit somewhere throw me a link
>>5041448
That was all very informative data man, thanks from me too

>>5041604

Just joined twitter @wufdrawscrap
same username on Insta

>>5039176
then you suck faggot, learn color theory and buy a tablet and start grinding, it's a necesary skill. are your linework values and perspective any good at least?

>>5043823
Ain't got the mula bb

>>5039459
>>5039431
Thanks Chief! Really insightful for me.
Right now I have gotten 2-3 commissions from wwd in /a/. Would you recommend me to stay in wwd to expand my portfolio or move to other draw threads as well?

>>5039963
What's wrong with you vodkanigger, just pyw.

>>5039090
By being good and marketing yourself.

Mostly marketing though. Many technically awful artists make bank.

You're more likely to make more money if you're good, though.


Here are some easy steps (at least if you're good enough):

Go to people you know and offer commission work (maybe portraiture or whatever). Give them a decent deal at the beginning. Once you give them the work, ask them to tell friends that you did some work for them and that you are taking commissions. However, after a few commissions, bump up your price, especially if you start getting a lot more work.

Start small, but ask for a fair amount; don't sell yourself short. Get the work, network, and then start asking for more when more commissions start coming in.

>>5047544
as someone who has absolutely zero internet points, is 25 dollarinos reasonable enough for something like pic related?

>>5047613
I think it's a decent start if you are getting the first few commissions.

>>5047613
yes

I'm not gonna reply to each of your artworks op,
tldr:
just draw porn and make coombux

>>5047861
Where can I find the clients?

>>5047861
>>5051006
And I mean clients who are able to pay more than just 200$

>>5047613
I think this is worth at least 40 personally

>>5051012
Where can i find clients that pays "just" 200$

>>5047613
woah! , do you have blog???

>>5051012
If you are not smart enough to get an audience, then you are not smart enough to get money.

>>5047613
25 is too low, try at least 40

>>5039431
>>5039459
Thanks nagatoro

>>5039431
Thanks nagatoro X2

>>5039092
thinly veiled crab, im awful at people and can get commission.

if you can speak like a human being you can manage

>>5051032
this

>>5051992
>>5051032
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>>5047859
thnx for the answer kind anons
>>5051957
no blog sir.

>>5039090
I get people coming up to me in the street saying "paint me. Paint my children." I say "yes, of course". I do not hear from them again. I don't know why this is happening to me, and not you.

Doesn't this happen to you? It's so common place. I say "yes, I paint oil paintings" and they say "oh you must paint me!" Like their leg is going to drop off or something. And then they just disappear.

>>5039275
>>5039282
>>5039286
it doesnt look bad but it doesnt surprise me you cant make money or sell with this type of art. if you want to sell your work, you need to have customers to sell to, and these drawings are at best niche.

>>5039174
Your art looks amazing Op . You got a insta or something? Your fellow Indianon over here .

>>5051990
Okay. Quick rundown on getting the audience? I think I might be shadowbanned Twitter an Instagram. Shit just doesn't work..

>>5055514
What are not-niche drawings? Fanart is good?

Bump for good thread