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5025340 No.5025340 [Reply] [Original]

Why are western characters drawn by japanese artists always so soulful?

>> No.5025345

cuz you only see the soul in the art when you like the style

>> No.5025349

it's not made by j*ws

>> No.5025357

>>5025340
Because the Japanese gene pool hasn't been blacked yet.

>> No.5025377
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5025377

How the fuck is this not soul?

>> No.5025380

>old = soul
wew

>> No.5025708

trad trained artists using trad media and photoshop like it's trad in the early days of digital. 90s shit was better, less meddling by corporate (there still was some of course by marvel), actual passion for the characters/process

https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1321805256703963138
https://twitter.com/sjxqr393/status/1321742219775127552

>> No.5025751

>>5025349
>>5025357
You can stop samefagging now, pol.

>> No.5025814
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>>5025340
I don't know about always. I wouldn't consider Murata's Spider-Man soulful, though it is technically brilliant. Nihei's Wolverine isn't very soulful either.
All it takes is knowing what works.
Check out Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier.

>> No.5025824
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5025824

Kino art

>> No.5025851

>>5025824
Worst fucking hulk I have ever seen.

>> No.5025863

>>5025851
post a better one then

>> No.5025948

>>5025863
That's a tough one. Hulk is a pretty lame-looking character.

>> No.5025977
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5025977

>>5025948
>>5025863
He is bland but he can be cool.

>> No.5026018

>>5025948
>>5025977
*Agreeable grunt*

>> No.5026024
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5026024

>>5025948
>>5025977
all good, i just like this art style

>> No.5026032

>>5025751
RENT FREE

>> No.5026063
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5026063

>>5025814
This.

>> No.5026135
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>>5026024
Bengus' style pretty much shaped Capcom's art style from SF2 and onwards. Kinu Nishumura is a close second for me in terms of style with Edayan and Akiman rounding off the list.

>> No.5026195

>>5026135
Benus draws like shit nowadays while Kinu still does god tier art.

>> No.5026262

>>5025340
mind posting another example
90s capcom is almost unfair to compare things to

>> No.5026267
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>>5026262

>> No.5026277
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>>5026267
ill take the one in green
>>5026262

>> No.5026433

>>5025340
OP not posting a picture by Jim Lee next to it for reference. Hmm wonder why?

>> No.5026546

>>5025340
Japanese shit nowadays is just as soulless is western.

It's just the 80s and 90s had soul.

>> No.5026885
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>>5026546
I know modern anime Is not that great but I dare you to name one current day western comic that looks better and more soulful than Chainsaw man and Witch Hat Atelier

>> No.5027098

>>5025377
Not near the same level of hatching in OP. Looks like a plunk in the bucket of a typical marvel-quality comic book.

>> No.5027100

>>5027098
Its her first appearance. Doesnt mean its still not a chool character design.

>> No.5027199
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>>5026546
This. 80s/90s was peak soul for the whole world

>> No.5027306

>>5026885
Wouldn't say better but Trolls and Lanfeust of Troy are pretty good and I'd say on par with both. They are French comics

>> No.5027317

>>5026267
Is there an original to this image? The art looks like it was put through some sort of filter or autofill program. Pinky and the Brain are especially sloppy, I can't imagine a human drawing like that intentionally

>> No.5027382

Because traditional art > digital art. Also
>Capeshit.

>> No.5027400

>>5027382
>traditional
Literally everything in OP's pic was made with primitive Photoshop versions

>> No.5027453
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5027453

>>5026024
MvsC2 is peak Gouda Cheese aka Bengus aka CRMK
Then he went all digital and his art went to shit, sad many such cases.

>> No.5027457
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>> No.5027460
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5027460

This stuff was drawn in pencil, scanned, then colored with a mouse in Photoshop.

>> No.5027461
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5027461

It's rare to see japanese artists with this level of anatomy knowledge.

>> No.5027466
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5027466

This is more equivalent to the american comics, it was done by Bengus when he was inspired by the Jim Lee X-Men comics from the early 90s

>> No.5027469
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5027469

Bengus all digital

>> No.5027471

>>5025977
did you just post motherfucking Liefield
get outta here

>> No.5027496
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5027496

>>5027466
It's really good and I like his proportions, but I still prefer the original style

>> No.5027531
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>>5027471
>Cant read
>>5026546
Anime? Sure, but there is still good manga that does have soul.

>> No.5027543

>>5025345
fpbp

>> No.5027589

>>5026024
holy shit cy has a dislocated shoulder but he just doesn't care, man hes tough!

>> No.5028219

>>5027457
how can Liefeld even compete?

>> No.5028370

>>5025377
>>5026433
>>5027199
>>5027466
Jim Lee is not that good, my dudes. Also, checked.

>> No.5028449
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5028449

>>5025340

>> No.5029873

>>5025824
Those calves lmao

>> No.5029884
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5029884

>>5028370
his style is dated but he's at least on par with Bengus.

>> No.5029912

>>5026267
Samurai Jack thinking bout clappin'

>> No.5029925

>>5029884
>dated
why?

>> No.5030209
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>>5029925
He's kind of adapted his style a bit but it's still fairly similar to the stuff he did in the 90s. Super bulky figures, stiff and statuesque posing, the facial proportions, strong chiaroscuro lighting with sharp dithering at the edges, etc. It all harkens back to a style he helped popularize in the 90s. I think the style is not quite as visible in the drawing I posted because he inked it himself and tends to be a bit looser in those drawings which works to his benefit. He throws around ink, hatches large areas quickly and gets creative with white out. For his official comic pencils though, the style is a bit more evident. It's still good on a technical level but looks kinda dated imo.

>> No.5030362

>>5025340
I'm guessing it's because of the painting style, which uses warmer colors and soft shading. Western comic art, like >>5025377 use cooler colors and bolder shading

>> No.5030454

>>5025340
Imo the biggest diff is that west comics draw black shading while east include the ambient light

>> No.5030457

>>5027317
what are you even on about lmao

>> No.5030659

>>5030209
I never understood this idea that styles HAVE to change simply because time passes. If it looked good in the past, it looks good now. If it doesn't look good now, it never looked good on the first place.

>> No.5030681
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5030681

*blocks your path*

>> No.5031083

>>5027317
I think you’re right, this image was probably upscaled by waifu2x

>> No.5031149

>>5030681
This is what's called too much personality. I think he based their facial proportions on those of a Scottish comic strip.

>> No.5031267

>>5031149
It turns into caricature, but not the cute cartoony kind, the creepy kind with realistic details

>> No.5031269

>>5030659
Just look at 90s comic characters dude, the cool factor at the was the more and bigger the better but that changed so now it looks dated and silly

>> No.5031274

>>5030681
>those legs
ayy lmao

>> No.5031405

>>5025340
because most of the time, in either of the big houses the people who draw the comics have no real love for the characters, they just do this for a paycheck, so they give as little fucks as possible, they try to fill the positions with people with like the characters, or at least say they do, but that doesn't always happen.

>>5030454
eastern is also more bound to use hatching or a gradient, so instead of giant black blobs of contrast you get something that looks better

>> No.5031408

>>5031405
Retard

>> No.5031413

>>5025340
It depends the artist, some of it makes the men look weird.
>>5025814
Fucking love Alex Toth.

>> No.5031416

>>5030681
Quietly is better at structures, compositions, and creatures, than actual human beings. His humans are just awful.

>> No.5031520
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>>5031416
His humans were charming in his early and late career. I don't know what happened in between.

>> No.5031659

>>5029912
Truly a man of culture.