/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

what syllabus does /asg/ follow?

>>5019316
god i wish that were me

Will I make it /ic/? I feel like I can't improve beyond my below average art. Any tips?

>>5019391
Collect more art from your favourite artists and do master studies or copy their style into your original work in order to develop a stronger style and way of thinking about your artwork. Try and pirate their patreon/gumroads and watch courses from similar artists.

YOU CAN USED THE GOOGLE TRANSLATE CAMERA FEATURE ON THE HOW TO DRAW SEXY ANIME GIRLS BOOKS. HOLY SHIT. MOON RUNES FUCK YOU, I WILL OVERCOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>5019310
I can't stop watching the vid this is from.

What’s the baseline for raking 1K likes off of a Holotuber?
Are there any anons here who managed to succeed with them?

>>5019523
draw a good fanart

>>5019523
the most I got was like 190 likes

>>5019448
THIS DID NOT HELP IN THE END

aaaaaa why am i not half as good after 4 years

>>5019310
I realized I fucked myself over by doing only a single sketch and then jumping straight to the lineart, when I could have refined said sketch instead.
Anyways, how did I do?

>>5019567
Too wide, remember the goal of drawing authentic anime faces that are folded a 100 tries over.

reposting since it was at the end of the last thread

>>5019567
You learned a valuable lesson

>>5019532
wow gonna coom

>>5019567
now give her a chubby body to go with that wide face.

am i gmi?

>>5019638
post it without filters

>>5019567
those are some broad shoulders

>>5019638
>trans
not likely

>>5019638
Look great but his face looks pretty young, maybe make his eyes smaller for a more old look.
i love my husbando nagito though, I even bought his fig since it got rereleased.

>>5019638
is this a direct copy of that gay vn?

>>5019310
Anyone here study Amano / Nomura / Kojima? They're amongst my favorite artists, and I'm trying to learn something from each style.

>>5019681
here you go

>>5019687
i only based the name off of this picture, thought it was funny

>>5019532
soul to soulless

>>5019638
>transkomaeda
Is it because he basically kills himself?

>>5019523
Draw art of very recent stream events. Like a big collab or just something funny or cute, as long as it's topical. Vtuber RTs it, you'll get 1k likes pretty easily. Do that a bunch until you get enough followers to draw people to your usual stuff that's not related to an event.

>>5019310
Was waiting for the other anon to post it but I guess he isn't done refining it so I'll repost it again.
For anons who want to easily find Japanese tutorials

絵の描き方 ( method for drawing pictures ) or 絵の塗り方 (method for painting pictures)

replace "絵" with the bottom shit below if you want specific shit, e.g 髪の描き方

for hair 髪

for head use 頭

arm, 腕

for extra detail for hands and fingers use 手 and 指

feet, 足

legs, 脚

nose 鼻

eyes 目

For extra specificty if you want males do [x] (x being either 男(male) or 女(female) ) の脚の描き方

e.g 男の体の描き方, 女の目の描き方

For backgrounds use 背景の描き方 for how to draft them out and 背景の塗り方 to learn how to colour them.

For general lineart tips, use 線画上手くなる方法 (methods to get good at line art). You can also insert 線画, 落書き or rkgk on twitter to find rough drafts of Japanese artists

I'd reckon that'll give you top tier artist tutorials to follow.

I also reccomend this dudes channel if your japanese is good.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxuipVSw8ajLZPgSyKmw6Ag

also this video he made is toptier and inspiring which also has english subs

https://youtu.be/lRmgLBCaV6Q [Embed] [Open]

good luck! We’ll all make it!

>>5019310
I FUCKING LOVE PUPARIA

>>5019638
Would sex/10 so yes

I tried completing the hip but I'm pretty sure it's messed up... Too small maybe? Also, is the overall proportion good? I think the head is too big, but when I put it over the reference it's fine

>>5019532
This guy doesn't draw and just spends his day farming likes with stupid tweets like that. Pretty sure this is like the 3rd or 4th variation of it and it's always the same Amiya piece.

>>5020109
Wrapping line on the ball is wrong and you included the hair volume when the ball is supposed to just be the skull

>>5019714
I *occasionally* study from Kojima's art, but only when it's Castlevania-related because I'm mainly a huge castlevaniafag.

>>5019578
her hair is good and eyes are good too. the neck and the chin are wierd erase those lines in the neck anon good luck my dear

>>5019310
Where's that webm from? Did someone here make it?

>>5021089
>Did someone here make it?
are you insane?

>>5020880
haha thank you anon

>>5021089
It's an independent animation made by Tamagawa Shingo. The full film is at https://youtu.be/CWnqX41JHuM
He wrote on Twitter that one of his intents was for every frame to be able to stand alone as an individual illustration. I'd say he was successful.

>>5019532
how much shit do you think i'll get if i draw a fake mediocre past drawing?

>>5021158
that's probably what 90% of these people do anyway so I'd say not a lot

>>5021158
Unless this person has literally been drawing stick figures for a whole year, you should probably get 70k like him.

>>5020109
draw through the form

>>5019310
Can you guys recommend any manga with simplistic faces like pic related?

I'm having a problem with the torso and shoulders. I feel a bit lost. I would be very grateful for any experienced anon to have time to help me out a bit

>>5021570
based nousagi

>>5019578
Spiku Enrisu

>>5019714
only Amano

Trying specifically to copy the Danganronpa style, any tips?

how did you guys get good at poses? using a ref till it "clicked"?

Noticing a lot of Korean fanartists having a lot of similar looking rendering techniques and somewhat quick passable improvement (claims they started 2-4 year ago) despite retaining issues with anatomy and perspective.

What magic tutorials or books are they using?

>>5021833
examples?

>>5021833
All art school in korea teach the same shit like China

White people trying to draw anime will never not be funny
i seriously dont think ive ever seen a good white artist that does anime style art

>>5022214
how about spics: i.e, me.

>>5022218
also cringe. id ask you to pyw but i know itll be shit so you save yourself the embarassment
dont bother if youre not asian

>>5022222
well, i actually have japanese in me cuz on my spic side. i'm peruvian scum.

>>5022226
the spic is enough to filter out all artistic ability unfortunately. unless you pyw to prove otherwise

>>5019316
show the watercolor please

How do I draw anime eyes correctly? I am absolutely sure I am doing it wrong.

>>5021815
You should search for "Danganronpa sheet" on google , Trace AND Copy at the same time , draw from imagination a bit after to be sure you're learning and repeat . Watch Criis-chan she draws only Danganronpa and she stream almost every day ( stream is eng/spa).

Does the rendering looks good ?

>>5019310
Tried drawing in hxh style, needs alot of improvement huhhh.

>>5022244
Cheeks too puffy, also if you want anime faces I'd place the eyes lower.
Quickest way to get something good is copying another artists faces and look for proportions to use during constuction.

Is that guy who only drew grey stick characters still here?

>>5021634
almond almond

>>5021122
Hey man some people here (this board in general) are pretty good.
>>5021156
Thanks lad.

>>5022511
Yeah, but I've been full focused on improving, so I have no drawings to post.

>>5022526
how do you go about improving? do you draw those poses from imagination?

>>5022214
Well ,Russians are very good at it, see VK

>>5022581
I go through anime pictures, trying to construct things like this >>5020109, the drawing I made in pic related, is clearly wrong, but that's irrelevant for what I'm trying to explain. Usually all I'm trying to do is focus on drawing the shapes right in the correct perspective. 99% of the time I won't even finish a body, because all I'm doing is focusing on improving my brain.

The other two drawings on the right are imagination, so I clearly have a long journey to go through till I'm happy, but I'm very confident this method will let me draw whatever I want.

>>5022670
Do you have examples?

>>5022244
you need to understand forms to do anime eyes correctly or at the very least they wont look like some stickers or western piggu garbage

>>5022848
Any good anime artist that is not asian is 99% a slav

>>5022884
Thanks for sharing.
I'd be really interested in seeing more arts from the slavosphere but I don't know where to find them. I only browse Pixiv because Western art is generally toxic waste to my mind.

>>5022526
>focused on improving
kek looks the same every time

>>5022884
u can tell its slav because they try to build form and texture which asians don't do at all

slavs/russians in general have actual art history and school/communities to fall back on while west got destroyed hard by deviant art shit and bad learn to draw books.

>>5022889
Most slavs don't really share the fact that they're russians but many use VK as their main platform and it's not a good art platform (scuffed facebook)

>>5022908
I've been focusing on my brain, you can't comprehend the brain gains, I've been getting.

Shit general but I am interested in the potential of graysketch tranny
Your anatomy has improved noticeably and I want to start seeing you put actual faces on your shit

>>5022986
getting what? dunning kruger?

>>5023007
where can i see his older posts? its like he literally never improved and all his stuff looks the same

>>5022884
artist?

>>5023060
Well at least he’s posting stuff.

>>5023078
it's not even anime

>>5022986
You’ve been stagnant for several months kek

>>5022986
looks like shit, kys

>>5022670
Russians aren't white so yeah

>>5019977
one more thing I forgot to mention, thanks for posting, I didn't think it would be that helpful when I first made that most but im glad people liked it

body, 体

Does /asg/ have another book they swear by in the same vein as Loomis? Those 70 year old texts weren't exactly made with the eyes, hair, and skin airbrushing of >>5019532 in mind.

>>5023213
it's not the book, you have to do the extrapolation and the thinking, i can recommend you another teachers like vilppu, huston, proko, etc but they all talk about the same fundamental knowledge, just reading the book will not make you draw better

>>5022690
you should do 99% more constructions and 99% less comfort zone doodles in the same poses you've been doing for the past year
you might actually get somewhere if you actually study consistently instead of fucking around

>>5021815
Decided to "finish" this shit because I was getting tired of constantly tweaking it

>>5023270
thanks doc

>>5023213
the fundamentals don't change so stick to loomis for that.

for the stylized techniques i like pin2d, heres his series on hair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuVGowpA_vs&list=PLd9YlgrhwWqDg-O1kdp84Py30Tev8W4Ch

no text

>>5022857
Okay, how?

>>5023067
v1v404

>>5022889
If you want the Russian of version of /ic/ they sometimes post actual artist
2ch dot org

>>5023631
shit 2ch dot hk

>>5022889
2ch dot hk/pa/ russian version of /ic/ if you want to lurk there

>>5022986

Where do you guys go for references? I love gelbooru and its tag system but 90% of it is porn

>>5022626
Cute

>>5023701
Pinterest

>>5023640
stumbled across it a couple days ago looking for an english version of some book.
was pretty funny to see some crossposters in their /beg/ ignoring the same redlines and probably the same text they got here.

>>5023701
use the sfw tag

Wtf am I doing wrong? It's not bad but it still looks like shit to me. Any tips would help bros

>>5023593
thanks

>>5023770
guitar has no strap, hand on hip is exactly facing the viewer, which makes it look flat and inorganic. jacket bulges out on the left side obscuring the shoulder oddly. clavicle would be seen between the collar of the jacket. Heel of the foot facing the viewer may look good parallel to the other heel, its unclear whether that leg is behind the other or forward - if its following her overall stance of being tilted 3/4rth then the leg as a whole should be extended to match the shoulder tilt.

copying isn't important
drawing from imagination is

>>5023811
Both are important. You can transfer information to your visual library more effectively by copying than you can just staring at shit. Don't believe me? Draw a giraffe right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

>>5023816
>copy other anime artists
>can only draw from reference
great but not impressive when you're doing your own work with different poses and characters

>>5023840

>Both are important.

>>5023811
>>5023840
Copying is an effective tool for improvement

Pic related is from the foreword of that popular アニメ私塾 book by a guy who worked in the Japanese anime industry. See the triangle?
>上手い絵の模写: 上手い人の絵の記号(絵のパターン)を手に入れる
>Copying good drawings: acquiring the symbols of skilled people's drawings (the patterns of the drawings)
>実物の線画化:実物を理解することで、上手い人の絵が理解できる
>Real life drawing: by understanding real life, we can understand skilled people's drawings
>創作活動全般: 落書きや作品制作
>General original creation: sketching, complete OC works etc

Quote from the foreword:
>こうして、学生時代は「自主制作アニメを作る」「上手い絵の模写」「実物の線画化」のトライアングルを繰り返すことで劇的に上達していき、絵を描き始めてからわずか3年でスタジオジブリの入社試験に合格することができました。
>In this way, I made extreme progress during my school years by repeating a triangle of doing my own original anime drawings, copies of good drawings, and life drawings, and only 3 years after picking up drawing I was able to pass Studio Ghibli's employment test.

He was 19 when he started drawing.

Pic related also shows drawings from before he started practising deliberate copying as well as his original anime drawings from ~2 years after that.

Here's a link to a blog post with where he raves about the efficacy of copying
http://animesijyuku.blogspot.com/2018/05/blog-post_73.html

>>5023856
>only 3 years after picking up drawing I was able to pass Studio Ghibli's employment test.

holy fuck

>>5023759
which is it? I tried searching "sfw" and got a dead tag, same deal for "safe_for_work"

>>5023861
>holy fuck
Don't get too excited.
The test only measures your ability to copy, animate and stay on model.
Studios need animators who can produce cohesive and reliable work, not amazing masterpieces of art.
As long as you've got work ethic, interest in learning and self-evaluation skills you can get hired in any studio.

>>5019409
Adding, I recommend the program PureRef. It's basically free.

>>5023907
"rating:safe"

Replace safe with "questionable" or "explicit" if you're looking for images that fall into neither category or images that are clearly NSFW, respectively.

>>5023946
>As long as you've got work ethic, interest in learning and self-evaluation skills you can get hired in any studio.
Top lel

>>5023856
Reposting advice from an anon that might be relevant

>>5024039
>loomis
>and other constructive drawing memes

no thank you, i don't wannna read that shitty advice

Im deliberately giving false information to weed out the competition.

>>5024033
>>5024056
>>5023840

>>5024065
Say what you want to say, pussy

>>5022234
It's from: https://twitter.com/ShingoTamagawa/status/1060564772763000833

>>5024065
What's your point? You are not going to get hired at any studio if you can't draw decently. Especially something like Ghibli. Are you retarded?

>>5024081
I'm not refuting your point.

>>5024082
Then what's the point of >>5024065?

all of you will stuck here while I move on.

>>5024100
Move on to learning English grammar?

>>5024102
suck my dick, how about that?

>>5024100
move on to ngmi and drop art?

https://www.clipstudio.net/en/

Can someone explain the point of using screentones instead of grayscale shading?

Dunno if this is the right thread to post this, but how do I use Clip Studio's standard Watercolor Brushes?
Are these like, half-brushes half-blenders or something?

>>5024087
Just pointing out what seemed like samefagging. Some people have nothing better to do than sit in this general and bicker behind the veil of anonymity. To reiterate, copying well is a necessary step in learning to draw well. This skill should certainly be paired with other fundamentals like construction, should one hope to become an animator. I just don't get why copying and fundies have ended up on opposite sides of a false dichotomy, as if proficiency in one precludes proficiency in the other.

>>5024156
the texture looks better than smooth gray

>>5024169
you are not as smart as you think you are

>>5024169
Just let /beg/s that don't listen be perma/beg/s. It means less competition.

>>5024169
tell them that you are grey sketch trannie, and let people decide if you opinion is valid based on your work

>>5024172
Yeah, it was way off the mark and only derailed this thread futher, gomenasai
>>5024178
I wish he would do that more often.

>>5024169
You mean those three would be the same person? No idea how you arrived at that conclusion and it's not true
>To reiterate, copying well is a necessary step in learning to draw well. This skill should certainly be paired with other fundamentals like construction, should one hope to become an animator. I just don't get why copying and fundies have ended up on opposite sides of a false dichotomy, as if proficiency in one precludes proficiency in the other.
Either way, I totally agree with this. My issue is with ngmi western pig shitters coming into this thread to tell people they should be ~unique~ and not copy. This notion is so far removed from the culture that actually exists at Japanese animation studios where the high appeal expressions of today have been borne from decades of copying and tracing over the work of genius/veteran animators/illustrators

>>5024156
manga is printed in black and white only. no greys. screentones add shades of grey or texture.

>>5024151
what does csp have that's missing from krita? besides the 3d stuff

>>5024231
Accurate blending, industry standard paper presets, panel borders, specialized tools for animation, etc.

>>5019310
Bros, what's the key to lineart that exudes quality?
I have 0 faith in my rough sketches even if they are technically correct.

>>5024231
Not them, but I highly suggest picking up one of SAI2 (crack here: https://www.sendspace.com/file/ngp17i)) or CSP (crack here: https://1337x.to/torrent/4018192/Clip-Studio-Paint-EX-1-9-4-Materials-FileCR/)) depending on what you value more (the best natural blending, idiotproof interface - SAI, the best natural sketching/with a whole host of useful QOL features like ignoring linegaps when filling which is what you'll spend most of your life doing if you enjoy having a manga/anime style - CSP) and then getting super familiar with it and improving and then moving to Photoshop (search for m0nkrus, first result on google) for the best colour post processing.

Krita/medibang/firealpaca etc are huge /beg/traps in my opinion. They take time to learn you could have spent learning other much more useful software.

I would only use Krita if you're on linux and are not dualbooting Windows.

CSP is also made by the same people that make the software that almost every anime studio uses and it's very streamlined for export to that anime software (CELSYS RETAS) and is very streamlined for making mangos for example screentones, 3D etc. And plus, 3D stuff is very important as you'll find out since perspective is very timeconsuming. If you are going to be doing long animations I'd suggest torrenting the cracked CSP since it has no framelimits and if you are going to be doing just general non animated stuff I'd either torrent the cracked version if you're broke or buy the cheap PRO version (you can swap between them anyway)

My bros, I'm on my road to being oneartman.

>>5024252
>no lineart in sight
anon I...

>>5024258

The lineart disappeared just like saitama's head.

>>5024231
>>5024250
thanks. can you elaborate on the better blending? i've never heard good things about csp's brush engine desu lol, i've only messed around with the default brushes a bit so far and can't really tell

>>5024246
I hope you like big canvases and 5 size pencils because that’s what 90% of these people specialize in.

>>5024246
If you look at Japanese illustration videos you'll realize that most artists do their their sketch very clean (as in 1 or 2 strokes per line) and with full canvas view (no zoom). They construct the form with very few lines, constructing the outline from multiple connected strokes.
Then, they ink the sketch zoomed-in (100% view) with multiple strokes and with a very thin brush (around Size 1 or 0.5).

I should mention that most artists also rotate the canvas for inking and draw with the shoulder.

Also do NOT be afraid of using Ctrl+Z. In fact, using Ctrl+Z actually helps you build muscle memory and confidence for the stroke.
Don't fall for the "you-must-be-perfect-from-the-beginning" bullshit most people like to post here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rGNtq8kA0

>>5024258
Blending in trad is very easy, you just brush the paints together. Blending in digital is a huge disorganised clusterfuck so a lot of people resort to colour picking and using brushes with soft edges and some people might even use gradients or start out in grayscale. The other way those super smooth artfags blend is with a seperate tool for blending which just fucks up your workflow like the blend tool in CSP or people using the smudge tool in PS etc. On the other hand, one SAI brush can handle both blending and painting together which sounds stupidly basic but is actually insanely good/useful when it comes to nailing fine details.

CSPs brush engine is specially geared towards nailing the perfect lineart. SAI tends to only have one basic hard brush with some textures slapped on it. PS tends to be quite clunky for lineart. CSPs brush engine is very customisable so I can, for example, taper the ends of the brushes depending on strokes and it's very responsive to my tablet so I can have it coming out like a real pen. A lot of the cool lineart you see online will be made using SAI, if it's not super basic looking (like a hard round brush or a hard round with a bit of transparency or a simple pencil brush).

>>5024267
Blending in trad is very easy, you just brush the paints together. Blending in digital is a huge disorganised clusterfuck so a lot of people resort to colour picking and using brushes with soft edges and some people might even use gradients or start out in grayscale. The other way those super smooth artfags blend is with a seperate tool for blending which just fucks up your workflow like the blend tool in CSP or people using the smudge tool in PS etc. On the other hand, one SAI brush can handle both blending and painting together which sounds stupidly basic but is actually insanely good/useful when it comes to nailing fine details.

CSPs brush engine is specially geared towards nailing the perfect lineart. SAI tends to only have one basic hard brush with some textures slapped on it. PS tends to be quite clunky for lineart. CSPs brush engine is very customisable so I can, for example, taper the ends of the brushes depending on strokes and it's very responsive to my tablet so I can have it coming out like a real pen. A lot of the cool lineart you see online will be made using SAI, if it's not super basic looking (like a hard round brush or a hard round with a bit of transparency or a simple pencil brush).

>>5019455
>>5019310
Its so good. Im glad others like it too. It made me feel something which is rare for me, it has a really unique atmosphere. Id love to see a full ova or feature film of it

>>5019318
Week 1: study anime
Week 2+: Study. Anime.

>>5024362
>Week 1: ngmi
>Week 2+: N.G.M.I.

>>5024364
of course you're not going to make it in a matter of weeks. that's silly.

>>5021158
You'd get away with it. All of their posts are just to generate clout.

>>5024362
>>5024364
Both are retards

how far will I go if my main drawing tool is procreate and an iPad pro 10.5?

How far will I go with B4 paper a G pen and some pencils from Walmart

>>5024609
what's a better approach then?

>>5024252

please give feedback

>>5019318
>Plan out exact shading from exact artist to retrieve.
>Draw
>Mope and ask for /ic/'s advice without ever pyw.

>>5024252
Protip: Most manga artists don't really care about values in color illustrations. In color manga, color is mainly utilitarian, so whenever they have to pick a shadow color they just pick a darker tone.
If you check any tankoubon volume you'll see that some pages are a grey mess (unlike the regular B&W manga pages), this is because those were color illustrations converted into monochrome manga for cheap printing.

>>5025237
Another example.

>>5025055
I would put my small cock in that.

>>5025237
>>5025245
Yeah, but ... do you have to pay for the green tea after the meal, or is it complimentary?

It's thanksgiving but I'm too depressed to draw anything, not even drawing my wife made me any better.

>>5024231
In my opinion don’t waste your time on Krita, try to save up for CSP and if not, use SAI, Krita’s blending issues are a dealbreaker... imo. CSP is really good, and discounts are frequent.

>>5025625
If you keep drawing, you eventually become so focused that you’ll forget your thoughts, and then you also have the satisfaction from being productive, so keep drawing

>>5025237
>>5025245
ie: fuck western art methods

>>5025750
i'm not feeling the default brushes desu beside the g-pen but i found a boatload of brushes i downloaded somewhere so gonna give them a try

>>5024231
You can do this. https://twitter.com/submori_521/status/1331172263396220937?s=19

stop being white. everyone can tell

>>5025961
this, shoo shoo smelly whitey

>>5025947
I almost never use the default brushes. Grab the popular materials from the assets site.

>>5025961
lol
Shut up, chud.

How do I emulate/ replace the toning paper of traditional manga?
Is there a tool that lets me do similar stuff or some kind of texture marker? I don't particularly need it to be those dots, not even a big fan of them, but just putting in grey looks like shit.

Also, can anyone recommend good brushes for lineart and painting?
I grabbed a very simple one from an anon in another thread that's just a hard round brush with no scaling in any way and it's doing what you'd think it'd do, just wondering if there is anything I'm missing.

>>5026014
If you're using CSP just use the "Tone" option on the gray layer.

is it ok if I study shitty but SOULFUL art?

Jabamifag again. I was used to building the torso with ovals but I found this one worked better with a circle because of the pose, now I'm kinda confused... It's the same character, is it just a matter of perspective?

>>5026031
dude, if you need to relay on these things to construct you are doing it wrong, learn anatomy and then if you need it you can use these shapes to construct but you are most likely not, the entire thing is incorrect, the ribcage is way small and too high , it's symbol drawing at it's finest.

>>5026022
that just means that you have a shitty soul.

>>5026054
lol

>>5026001
cope. pyw lmao

>>5026031
you're just making it hard for yourself

draw from nude refs so that you can actually see the anatomy that you're supposed to be constructing

>>5026019
Woah that's so cool. Thanks.

>>5026031
I'm beg but I think your major masses are not in the right direction.

>>5026031
it helps to first trace over it to see how the body looks broken down.

When's the best time I should use black for shading similar to pic related?

>>5026246
pyw

>>5026254

>>5026259
never draw again

any good male faces?

>>5026246
whenever you fucking feel like it.

Trying to archive Gomennasai's style.
What am I missing?

>>5026388
blur

>>5026388
soul

>>5026335
inspired by Lain?

>>5026390
His have different forms, it's not just the blur. There's a shitton going on in his eye, but I can't figure out what he's doing to get it like that.
>>5026392
But why?

>>5026393
I see her all day maybe

>>5026397

How do I coom?

im flowing the tutorials of pen 2d about drawing the hair its pretty good tutorial but i need some feedback pls

>>5025055
Looks like the work of a decently experienced artist but why so small resolution?

>>5026388
Look at my image and then do the same thing on your own. After that, trace over the original seriously. Put in better effort, you can do it

>>5026455
You mean trace over the green layer?

>>5026457
Sure, try it. Do it 5 times over, flip the canvas. It won't take long. Then do a new copy by eye. Make a grid if you must. Anything to make your brain consider what originally went wrong.

Hell, download a complete page by that artist and trace over the entire thing. That's tiny effort in the grand scheme of things. Then do an eye copy. Aim higher nigga. Trace, copy, try it on your own, then start over again. etc

>>5026459
Peak /asg/ ngmi advice, unironic nigga to boot.

>>5026457
Don't just trace ove rmy transforms by the way, do it on your own. Separate yours and their drawings and do it on your own. If you don't know, here's how you can remove white from a doujinshi screenshot

>>5026461
What>?

>>5026455
I thought it was common to decrease the resolution to post here

>>5026466
It was too low res earlier. Nice gesture. Fold under her right hand looks bad, and her bloomers maybe shouldn't be so lit that close to her crotch. Another 5 minutes fixing those and filling in white on her left eye would give a better impression but you probably know that already. Good job

>>5024151
Is this better or worse than Photoshop for manga?

Heard the iPad version pays on a premium so I'd only be using this on PC. It's only $25 but still want to know.

>>5026554
>>/ic/thread/S5019310#p5024250

>>5026554
(cont)
You can pirate pretty much anything on PC. Not on ipad though

anyone have a library of the patreon account?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnx8zKs3c3yeFPYQ2QzMqLA/videos

>>5024245
what are some good paper presets/is there a good tutorial for that?
i tried all the default ones and it ends up looking like a shitty gimp filter

>>5022986

>>5026700
Hello gmi anon? My methods of practice require you not get things correct, but that your brain improves from your practice.

After drawing those heads, I was thinking these heads looked kinda ayy lmao, I knew the arm looked a little long, wtf is this pose dude. But in the end it doesn't matter. You don't need to think about these things when you're good.

>>5026815
>But in the end it doesn't matter. You don't need to think about these things when you're good.
This is untrue and that anon gave a good redline and good advice that is probably wasted on you

>>5019310
Can someone post the image on the imgur link, it’s so fucking moldy when i open it and i cant read it.

>>5026820
>This is untrue
pyw

>>5026832
I didn't mean to imply I'm good if that's what you're saying but I'm at least capable of telling you that anon is giving you good advice

>>5026835
Thank you for posting your work.

But the skills you represent in your work, tell me you have no idea what I could even be talking about because our skill sets are so different. You're a painter, try draw one of my sketches.

>>5026220
You mean the torso and hips? I can kinda see it in yours, thank you

>>5026840
>try draw one of my sketches.
Sure, here it is, except all of your sketches suffer from basic gestural issues, no hands and no feet, so I just made up my own poses.

>tell me you have no idea what I could even be talking about because our skill sets are so different
Anon, you're the one who doesn't know what they are talking about. Why is it so hard for you to take crits seriously? I've seen you post your shitty "brain gains" sketches for months now, ignoring any and all valuable redlines that other anons have given you. You're not going to get anywhere like that, and I'm not saying this to crab on you.

>>5026911
Because I'm trying to draw from imagination, and knowing my heads look dumb, or my pose is dumb doesn't help me. If people can't give me fundamental reasons, I'm not drawing right, it's pointless.

Your gestures have a lot more soul than your finished work. You either have asian genes, or can visualize really well, and I can't just change that without knowing what I'm doing wrong.

Lmao the ugly loli sketch nigger still here.
Thats heckin sad

>>5026951
>You either have asian genes, or can visualize really well
or maybe he just practices effectively?

>>5026961
don't be mean on internet to the loli nigger,he is our friend and at least he draws(ugly), if you are going to say something...
post help pretty please

also pyw

>>5026977
Then maybe he could enlighten us.

>>5026983
he did he told you the anon b4 gave you good advice and you refused to accept it. the problem is you anon.

>>5026461
How is that ngmi advice, retard

>>5026980
no and no, fuck you

>>5026911
the nigga on the right got some orangutan arms

>>5026031
constructing is useless if you dont know how perspective works.
Concentrate in the shape, the whole drawing, draw with straight lines and try to not zoom in while drawing.

>>5027115
I expected to get a grasp on perspective as I went. I think I should do some exercises on drawabox then?

>>5026831
Just right click and open it in a new tab.

>>5027249
Sure, say goodbye to the asg threads.
Or maybe, you can study perspective by drawing the structure over anime drawings in different angles.

>>5026645
>>5026646
>iPad version is $120 a year
Fuck that. EasyCanvas it still is. I'm not opposed to paying $25 for a good product but no reason for me not to try it out. I'm mainly wondering if it's got anything over Photoshop which from that post it seems to have better grayscaling and manga panels, but if it is just something you work up to Photoshop on should I even practice on it or just continue with learning Photoshop?

>>5026273
/cm/

>>5026554
Better than ps

>>5026835
Good stuff anon

>>5027310
I think I'll stick to the anime stuff because I really like it, but I'll also start drawabox

>>5026911
Stop wasting time giving critique to this guy. He's just there as a filler

>>5024930

>>5026663
Paper size in japan is usually A4 or B4 for manga, doujinshi and anime work.

>>5026663
>>5027426
Sorry, I fucked up.
B4 is for pro manga, A4 is for doujinshi.

>>5027426
oh wait when you said presets i thought you were talking about like surface textures

>>5026911
kek absolutely mogged
but seriously i don't get why anyone replies to gray sketch tranny. he hasn't improved in years and keeps drawing the exact same shit ad infinitum while ignoring all advice

>>5027432
Paper textures are usually avoided unless you want too make a watercolor-style illustration or something similar.
Not to mention, most textures you'll ever see in Japanese illustration come from the brush itself, not paper textures.

>>5027386
Hello tranny.

>>5027435
>seriously i don't get why anyone replies to gray sketch tranny
Yes, I would expect an autistic crab, would not understand empathy.

Maybe because I post drawings, and people want to help.

>>5027468
>ignores advice
>calls others crabs

how do I avoid stagnating like this NGMI faggot? >>5027468

>>5027487
He will make it, unlike you.

>>5027481
>>5027487
Stop taking his shitty bait. The guy posts the same shit for almost a year and just wants attention.

>>5027271
So what, no Loomis?

>>5027487
Leave /asg/... as well as /ic/. 4chan in general. I come here once in half a year, now, to see if anything has changed. It hasn’t. I’m grateful for discovering /ic/ as it has very harshly bursted my bubble and shattered my self esteem. Now, I’m overcoming severe issues sharing my art anywhere and being paranoid of not “practicing correctly” (which hasn’t been a case before /ic/), but I’ve improved more in a year than I used to in four years. My mindset has changed. A good way to put it, /ic/ has destroyed me but I’ve gotten back on my feet much stronger.

Throw away those Japanese anime book drawing PDFs. 99% of them you won’t need. If you want to achieve “a style to blend in with Asian artists” then choose a few Eastern artists to study. Download their galleries and keep on your drive. Learn from great Western artists but stylize what you’ve learned basing on Eastern art. And observe. Observe every single detail and think why it is like that. Look at differences between your artwork and artists you like. Aim for each of your drawing to be as good as your reference artist. Look for patterns. And then self criticize after every work you’ve done and see what separates it from your favorite artists. Try to fix it next time. I can’t stress this enough. It allowed me to make gigantic leaps from every drawing to another. Self-criticism is the key. And is as simple as picking 3-5 things which are the weakest in the given piece and focusing on them especially on your next project. Too stiff? Try your hardest to make the next pose much more dynamic. Hair shading doesn’t look good? Study it more intensely. Folds look weird? Study drapery with ModernDayJames. With self-criticism, you won’t stagnate and will make GIGANTIC leaps from one drawing to another the more harsh you are on yourself. People who stagnate stay in their comfort zone. Keep learning and observing.

>>5027579
And again, my personal huge advice, leave 4chan. You will learn much more on your own than with /ic/. There are some very experienced people here but it is very difficult to find a gem in a pile of shit. Most of time you lose more (time) than what you get out of this board. Since I’ve left, I’ve started to progress much faster, I’ve already had everything I needed to know after ~2 weeks of being on /ic/, I stood longer for no reason. Get to know the starter pack (the very best books and videos; Robertson, Bridgman, Vilppu, Gurney etc...) and get out of here and start drawing on your own. I can’t stress this enough. If anyone here legitimately and with all seriousness wants to improve and go professional, the first step is to leave this website. For hobbyists it’s fine, but if you’re serious then leave. The amount of knowledge you can get from here is NOT worth the time spent browsing and posting. And instead of copying someone else’s art 1:1 as a study... Personally... It has been much more beneficial to me to draw your own original art but use the same technique as your references. Download ENTIRE galleries from your favorite artists so you can actually notice the patterns by observation.

>>5027579
pyw faggot

>>5027579
>>5027586
You speak a lot of truths, but this hard specification on "leave 4chan" seems to be entirely based on your assumption that everyone here's will is as weak as your own.

>>5026090
Could you recommend me some artists that draw good nude anime stuff?

>>5027675
i just draw from real people or realistic art and slap an anime head on it like pic rel which i just did
its just a lot easier to get real and accurate poses from photographs

Best books for moving away from "realism" to anime?

>>5027594
>no iqdb match
Well, that says enough I think good job Anon. Maybe make her clavicles a bit sharper and well, some things still look a little off which affects the piece as a whole slightly but it is nip tier I think.

How did I do?

>>5027803
why the giga saggy tit

>>5027806

>>5027809

>>5027803
badly
learn how to use line thickness

>>5027815

>>5027579
>>5027586
Sounds like a pussy desu lol. PYW

what are must have Japanese books?? I'm in Japan now. -slavbro

>>5027860
Ask the artbook threads, most japanese artbooks have been uploaded to mega

>>5026436
Your lines are wobbly and not clean and confident. That's all it is. Practice REALLY making smooth lines, you will see a major improvement. It matters more than you think.

>>5027860
artbooks of illustrators, animators, settei from animes, etc

>>5026911
WAY better than grey sketch tranny. Nice job friend.

trying to do a studio ghibli thing. does the style seem correct? at least for the faces? i used howl as my study base ><

>>5028021
How about you actually construct the character? Then you wouldn’t have as many doubts.

>>5028026

you mean draw howl? when i do study/ideas i focus on what im trying to do first

>>5028038
No, I mean use simple shapes to build the character you’re drawing, dummy.

How did I do? Very beg but I tried emulating Gomennasai.
I like how the face looks but the skull I originally sketched doesn't seem to fit anymore.

Are there any tricks to draw a skull without reference (to an existing face)?
Don't tell me I'll actually have to do the loomies.

If anyone wants to have fun drawing a skull that fits to the face that'd also be appreciated.

>>5028105
Unironically do loomis its a very solid and easy system to get the proportions right

>>5028105
This is the reference.

>>5028109
But I don't wanna loomis isn't cute.
Guess I'll have to get over with it if there's no other method.

>>5028117
>But I don't wanna loomis isn't cute.
nigga, you're there to know how to construct the face, not copy the style.

>>5028117
just make the eyes big

>>5028117
u dont learn loomi's to have his art style you learn loomi's to get fundamentals to develop the artstyle you want retard.

>>5028105
There should be an eye length of distance in the middle. Your eyes are too close to each other. It's also advisable to construct the head first before going straight to the details(eyes, mouth, nose)

>>5028118
>>5028123
>>5028151
>cutelets
>sabotaging an aspiring lolichad
as always

>>5028158
no one is gonna UOOOGH his art if he has shit proportions

>>5028158
i want him to draw lolis that don't have deformed skulls

>>5028155
I put it off because I have no idea how to do it.
>>5028118
>>5028151
But it's not cute to look at.
(I am jesting)
My real problem with it is this
>>5028158
Seems like loomis heads all have realistic proportions, at least the ones I've seen posted here.
I guess you can change the construction method to construct loli heads, or what?
>>5028123
Sound idea.

>>5028167
i wasnt kidding btw its literally deformed loomis

>>5028167
>I put it off because I have no idea how to do it.
it's fine no worries. I'll see if I can try and draw the skull

>>5028167
a lot of japanese artist applies loomi's to their art you do exactly what you said change the method to fit whatever style you are trying to go for. the point is to first learn the fundamentals then you can manipulate those fundamentals by looking at other loli artists and studying how they do it. take up learning loomi's while studying others art at the same time.

>>5028158
>>5028167
are lolifags this retarded? we're not fucking telling you to use the realistic proportions for your fucking kid porn, we're saying to take the info of where the face parts are supposed to be. you can exaggerate it however you want, but you still gotta know the basic structure of the face.

>>5028174
why wouldn't you take the info of where the face parts are supposed to be from somebody who teaches where they're are supposed to be instead of trying to reverse engineer it out of loomeme?

>>5028082
So, I did that? I mean, you can't see my previous constructions because, y'know, I was showing something thats sloppy, the face was my most important thing.

>>5028115
what kind of maniac uses the far nostril to note the nose

>>5027594
Really nice work, there's just a few things I would personally adjust. One being the nose placement, I think it's a little to far to the right and a little too high up. I would also use a reference for the hand, the way you drew most of the fingers makes it look like there's only one joint. Last thing is the shadow from the strap on the left arm, I would lighten that shadow, as shadows shouldn't multiply.

>>5028197
do whatever you want, retard. doesn't matter where you learn it from as long as it clicks.

what happened to the loli general?

>>5028105

>>5028211
>loomis
>he doesn't teach that
>learn it from wherever retard

>>5028226
are u genuinely retarded or are u pretending.

not gunna lie, i see the point of critique, but some of this stuff seems just to be a dick and seemingly unhelpful ;\ i came here cuz someone suggested it, but eh.

:(

>>5028240
as long as you can accept criticism and not be like grey sketch anon who denounces literally any piece of helpful advice people wont insult you.

>>5028240
That's just how /ic/ is, don't think so much about it. The nicer and more helpful anons lurk around sometimes

>>5028225
circle should be big enough to go down to the level of the mouth loomfriend.
and the eyebrows move relative the skull.

>>5027972
How does one practice that?

>>5028280
draw-a-box has good practices for that if you want to check it out

Only in the past few months i'm getting somewhat satisfied with my current style.
I never copied anime, but always tried to mimic some features from other mangakas to put in my drawings, mostly Kiyo Qjo (slender ass characters, shiny eyes etc). But recently i try to go on my pen feel.

>>5028431
I try to go on my own feel.*
Sorry, curently phoneposting. My autocorretor still on...

>>5028431
pretty good! bishounen tier

Bought an iPad, kinda getting used to it, still have a lot to learn, though

>>5028431
Looks nice enough

>>5028225
Thanks a lot. I'll try learning it.

>>5028593
Fixed a bunch of stuff. Feels better.

I tried copying anime rendering but it still looks terrible, what am I doing wrong?
I'm tried copying all the anatomy correctly and as well as the shading.
What do I do to get better at rendering?

>>5028871
>anime
>rendering
what did he mean by this?

>>5028199
Just the best character focused manga artist currently alive.

>>5028882
ok coloring, sorry I used the wrong term.

>>5028871
Im beg but from my experience, don't use the airbrush. Only hard round brushes with no preassure sensitivity whatsoever from start to finish.

>>5028894
Okay thanks, yeah I heard about that, I tried using it in some places but I ended up blending it so it didn't end up hard in the end.
I'm using Clip studio paint, and I'm using the mapping pen. Should I use something else?

>>5028901
I don't think I can give you good advice there. I'm just doing manga shading via tones right now.

>>5028886
rendering is the right term for what you were doing, but i don't know how you ended up doing that if you were trying to make it look like an anime.

>>5028920
what did I do wrong? How can I avoid my mistakes in the future?
Less airbrush and more hard brush like what the other anon said?
Anything else?

Advice?

what brush do you use in csp for lineart and sketching?

>>5025237
depends if they are beg or not. There are dozens of skill levels in the Manga world.

>>5028283
Thanks. Poor quality lines are my biggest slipping point.

Which Loomis book is the best to get a quick grasp on the concept without going overly deep?
My obvious bet would be "Drawing the head and hands" but maybe that's going into detail that's not needed for anime?

>>5028117
Take Hitokaku, he's superior to Loomis in every way

Opinions on clean lines vs "painted" lines?
One example of clean lines for me would be >>5027809 while painted lines is >>5028115.
Basically the latter one looks like the lines are painted as an object themselves using many small strokes, while the former has lines that could very well be described by polynomials.

I only see people trying to clean up their linework, but I honestly prefer artists who don't draw with very clean lines since it looks less alive.

>>5028117
How many times are you losers gonna reject Loomis just because it isn't "anime" enough?
Japs literally use Loomis' methods for drawing.

>>5029410
Is that in a mega somewhere?

>>5029417
Yes.

>>5029416
Wanting that artstyle is the exact reason people don't want to do loomis. Just because a jap uses it doesn't make it good for anime.
Though I am not saying it isn't good for anime, I'm just saying that your example is bad and you should at least be able to differentiate anime style from something else before saying anything about the topic.

>>5029422
You sure got a thick fucking skull.

>>5029419
I looked through the pastes here and on /beg/ but didn't find it.
Which one is it in?

>>5029432
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/

>>5029439
My Japanese isn't good enough to make translating while concentrating on the drawing feasible.

>>5029422
loomis isn't an artstyle you fucking retard
loomis is a method, which means you can adapt it to different artstyles
there's nothing stopping you from drawing your fucking retarded lolis using loomis you filthy pedo

>>5029487
Uhm, that's what I said, sweaty.

>>5029422
>Its yet another "I wanna learn how to draw animu loli with literally ZERO EFFORT" retard
Just trace at this point you faggot

>>5029516
Like clockwork.

>>5029457
you don't have to translate
also the books are in the pastebin

are you white?
if yes, stop copying from anime. you're embarassing yourself.
if no, pyw.
Does work show signs of potential?
if yes, carry on.
if no, stop and pick a different hobby or style.

>>5029579
Shut up, chud.

>>5029586
pyw lol
I've never seen a white person draw "anime" art from imagination that wasn't pure fucking cringe

>>5029594
Shut up, chud.

>>5029598
kek i see you've run out of arguments

>>5029579
Pyw

>>5029630
>Shut up, chud.

>>5029594
wtf if im not white i can make it?

>>5029687
yeah obviously
you can still make it if you're white, just as a shitty fetish comic artist

I've been following this guy for a while now and seeing his progress over the months is what made me want to try drawing too.
How does the nips get so good at it so fast?

>>5029738
japanese blood anon

>>5029738
https://twitter.com/38_sanzyuuhati/status/1331897401309683712

wtf is this program, and how large is this guys ligameme?

Any of you have tips or tutorials for drawing hair?

>>5029579
>>5029594
>>5029645
Not that anon, but here's my work

>>5029905
And another one

>>5029427
that's a different basic shape conception. are loomshills really this dumb?

>>5029906
>>5029905
>those faces
you must be white

>>5029958
So? Many asian followers i have thought i was japanese when i used to post houseki no Kuni fanart.

>>5029958
But If you're looking for something more moeshit i also have something like this

>>5029993
Asians can be small brained and no skilled too
its just less common

>>5030111
Who hurt you anon? Now i'm really worried with your pessimistic talk. Seriously, you sound hopeless and seens wants to spread said hopelessness to others.

Loomis didn't invent drawing heads or anime.
It's absurd to say that any construction of a head or drawing a head is tied to Andrew Loomis exclusively.
If somebody does something similar it doesn't meant that they copied loomis if anything they copied regular humans, stylized and found a way to streamline the process.
Most of loomis' proportions don't apply to anime to boot.

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>>5030151
>>5030151
>>5030151

>>5030123
this desu. imagine putting too much effort being a contrarian and a downer than actually drawing

fuck hair is so difficult