/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5008910
Only if you get caught

>>5008910
No cheating, only tools

>>5008910
No tools only cheating

pretty firmly in who gives a shit territory there

>>5008918
>>5008923
>>5008934
>>5008935

Like no tracing, but using like some only fans model and putting some anime chick instead

>>5008949
>Only if you get caught
applies

>>5008910
>is copying a reference cheating?
It depends on how purist you wish to be viewed. Some people really dislike knowing a piece of art was produced by copy.

>To trace directly, from someone else's drawn art?
Hotly bad and people will rage at you - it's perceived as art stealing, trying to act as if their art's yours, unless it's obviously transformative and you give full credit to the original artist.

>To trace directly, from real life pictures other people took
Frowned upon - it's seen as a crutch to directly trace real life, because it comes off as "you couldn't do it freehand without the crutch.

>To trace or take inspiration directly, from real life pictures YOU took
Not only common, this is the preferred way to draw in industry because it's most safe - it's extraordinarily common for people to photograph themselves doing the pose they want their character to do. No one on the internet could ever successfully accuse you of tracing (find the reference, protip - you can't), you're not trying to draw something that you haven't seen before, and if you take GOOD photos, you capture a lot of subtlety of weight and posture that often gets lost if you were just trying to fake it without the real life "physics engine" running.

>To trace, from 3D models you set up yourself
Accepted if the 2D art's good anyways, or you don't show people the 3D file. Truth is, this is increasingly how most 2D art industry work gets done for everything - having the proportion, composition, and perspective already handled for you on a figure that's just going to be a simple humanoid anyways means you can focus on the actually important stuff for most paid work - making it appealing, interesting, and polished. The days of artists posing dummies on their counter are dead, because why the hell would you do that when you can lay out your characters directly?

>To take inspiration from others art without tracing
Safe-ish. you may need to give credit if it's blatant.

>>5008910
Damn thats hot uwwaaaaaaaa

I hate having to use pose reference like a cuck, but the poses always turn out better. I hope someday I dont need to use them

>>5008910
Only noobs think using reference, in any form, is "cheating." Odds are high any piece you post on those influences charts used lots of it.

>ITT only drawing purely from imagination is OK
It doesn’t make sense. There’s no unique poses or bodies out there.

>imagine drawing without reference
For 99% of you, you should be using reference.

Worrying about using Reference is like worrying about the question.
>Should I stop eating Asparagus because of its fiber content being concerningly high?

For VERY FEW people, like elite bodybuilders, min-maxing your diet that hard can make sense.

For most people, there are WAY lower hanging fruit you should be focusing on first, such as the big gulp they bought full of 50 ounces of undiluted sugar water, or the fast food they're eating twice a week. The equivalent problem is that most of you have no clue how to composite a shot, have no clue how to render, have no feel for forms, and genuinely don't intuitively "know" what anything around you looks like besides a vague
>Coffee cups have handles and dip inward
Such that it takes you hours to shit out a realistic drawing, if you can do it at all.

Your
>my imagination muscle is weak
problem is much less important for you to be solving than your
>I don't know what the things I'm trying to draw look like
problem, and for 99% of you, you need more reference, far, far, far more reference.

>>5008910
no retard, it's called a reference.

>>5008910
Is using pencil or any medium cheating?

>>5008910
GEE IDK IF ONLY THERE WAS A THREAD ANOUT THIS EVERY 30 MINUTES DISCUSSING EVERY POSSIBLE VIEWPOINT OVER AND OVER AGAIN

>>5008910 (OP) #
GEE IDK IF ONLY THERE WAS A THREAD ABOUT THIS EVERY 30 MINUTES DISCUSSING EVERY POSSIBLE VIEWPOINT OVER AND OVER AGAIN

OP...
Cheating what?

>>5009215
This is how you learn, but you need to make poses from your head also, thats when it clicks

I love her.

many anime artists heavily heavily photos for their art . its not a big deal

>>5010531
*heavily reference

>>5008910
Copying a reference is cheating, using a reference is not cheating.

>>5008910
the only thing you cheat is yourself from being creative

>>5008910
Using reference at all is cheating, including memory

>>5011137
gmi

>>5008910
if you dont already know the answer to that question, you are a pretty low level beg. the fact that you didn't just try it tells me all i need to know. it's harder than you think. i guarantee if you just try to draw a copy of this reference, it will not come out very good. not as good as you want it to. even if you trace it. you think if you trace it, itll look professional, it won't.

yes you should try to copy the reference. draw everything you see all day. draw for hours. do your absolute best to cheat as much as possible to try to make a good copy of it. you will learn a lot that you can apply to future pictures.

>>5008910
something about these types of gravure idols pisses me off as hot they may look the editing on these makes them look so soft and plump they lack information from the bodies on the matter of muscle shapes and realistic shadows.

>>5008910
The absolute state of this board.

How can you actually draw something without knowing what it looks like? you have to use references to get better, or just get stuck drawing boxes all day. But, posting it online as your work... it depends.

>>5008949
if you're talking about using references, everyone uses references unless you have some kind of magical savant photographic memory brain. what you described just sounds like average everyday photo referencing. it's not the same as taking someone else's drawing and copying it verbatim and taking credit for the work they put into composition, rendering, character design, etc. as someone else has already pointed out, the most you can really do is if you used someone else's work, be it a drawing or painting or photograph or whatever, just be transparent and cite it as a resource that you used. a lot of the art community drama videos i've seen on youtube have to do with plagiarism and stealing and 99% of the time it comes down to someone copying or ripping off someone else's work and not crediting them and tricking people into thinking it was all theirs out of their own mind. just credit whoever or whatever you used as a reference or a resource. sure people can say you're "cheating" at art by using a crutch or whatever but they will never be able to accuse you of plagiarism, which is the far more serious accusation to be on the receiving end of. it's the only one that actually matters and can actually hurt you in any tangible way.

"you're bad at art", ok? most people are, and everyone who is good at art used to be bad at art at some point, it's part of learning. there is even something to learn from tracing. if you get good at it and can do it quickly and accurately, it is due to improved pen/pencil/brush stroke control. it strengthens a technical skill which is core to being good at drawing.

"you're a thief and a fraud" on the other hand... that's a big deal and not to be taken lightly.

>>5008910
No it isnt

>>5009863
Yes

>>5010572
Retard

>>5011137
If you copy ref from memory, thats cheating. So only mindless abstract art is...
...
The way to gmi.

>>5011772
Yes...