/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I just tried drawing Aang from Avatar and it looks like crap. Even following this tutorial https://easydrawingtutorials.com/index.php/anime/262-draw-aang-avatar

So where do I begin being able to copy anime/cartoons well and learn how to construct them?
I know there is a pastebin, but there are so many resources there, which one do i pick?

Repost from a previous for anons who want to easily find Japanese tutorials

絵の描き方 ( method for drawing pictures ) or 絵の塗り方 (method for painting pictures)

replace "絵" with the bottom shit below if you want specific shit, e.g 髪の描き方

for hair 髪

for head use 頭

for extra detail for hands and fingers use 手 and 指

feet, 足

legs, 脚

nose 鼻

eyes 目

For extra specificty if you want males do [x] (x being either 男(male) or 女(female) ) の脚の描き方

e.g 男の体の描き方, 女の目の描き方

For backgrounds use 背景の描き方 for how to draft them out and 背景の塗り方 to learn how to colour them.

For general lineart tips, use 線画上手くなる方法 (methods to get good at line art). You can also insert 線画, 落書き or rkgk on twitter to find rough drafts of Japanese artists

I'd reckon that'll give you top tier artist tutorials to follow.

I also reccomend this dudes channel if your japanese is good.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxuipVSw8ajLZPgSyKmw6Ag

also this video he made is toptier and inspiring which also has english subs

https://youtu.be/lRmgLBCaV6Q [Embed] [Open]


This post helped me alot last thread so I thought to repost it here, I won't do it again if it's not a good thing to do.
good luck! We’ll all make it!

Also Loomis, he is even known there to most artists

Any tips when it comes to inking? I'm completely new to it. I made a quick pencil sketch, then I tried to draw over it using some microns.
My lines are quite shaky. Any tips on getting better? Just keep practicing? Trad bros ww@?

>>5008489
>>4996499

>>5008649
Fucking shit

>>5008555
Work on larger paper.

Holding microns vertically improves inkflow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas&ab_channel=CGMasterAcademyCGMA

Vary your line weight.

Though not pertaining to microns, some light viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1bJSExR1Og

What should I even practice as complete scrub?

>>5008712
loomis fun with a pencil

>>5008712
Observation.

>>5008813
Don't tell me there are actual exercises for this. How on earth do I improve my observation? Just copying through reference? That means it should improve passively while I draw something else right?

>>5008820
drawbox

>>5008825
Fucking hell, ok I'm doing it now. I stopped right when he wanted me to draw 250 boxes on the first lesson. Thank you anon. I'll come back to these threads when I graduate from trash to /beg/

>>5008230
I copied some Production sketches from Little Witch Academia if anybody would like to see them.

>>5008831
For the love of god, don't do that. Do what the picture says and use techniques like block-ins, comparative measuring, angle measuring, and plumb lines (see Dorian Iten's Accuracy guide) to copy simple line drawings accurately. Once your eye and hand are better move on to drawing things in real life and from photographs. At that point you can tackle more advanced topics like perspective, anatomy, construction, etc. It wouldn't hurt to do Drawabox on the side but your main focus should be OBSERVATIONAL drawing.

>>5008838
I'd be interested.

>>5008841
ok, I'll look up those techniques, Ty anon.

Can anyone recommend a drawing software? I've recently decided to try digital, and don't really like inkscape.

>>5008886
sai2

>>5008841
>iten accuracy guide demo
>"now we lay our drawing over the reference to see how close we got"
>traces several lines
i laugh every time it gets recommended.

>>5008861
Theyre just copies from character model sheets by Yoshinari.

>>5008895
Yes yes we get it, accurate drawings bad, formless gray scribbles good

>>5008912
probably don't learn accuracy from somebody who has to trace to achieve it.

>>5008889
>sai2
Thanks, I'll give it a try.

Why does krenz say practice from line art first, but everyone recommends drawing from life first here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594WhCme2pQ&feature=emb_logo

>moeshit

>>5008946
Because he probably traces

>>5008946
Basic shape and size practice, to easily recognize if you made the right lines/shape, the same reason why people say draw from a grid first etc.

The people who say draw from life as a first step usually never had to deal with teaching a complete beginner.

>>5008954
Imagine the levels of butthurt that went into this post.

>>5008978
>Imagine the the levels of [HEADCANON]
Disgust. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now, BEGONE.

>>5008230
Is there a book for drawing effects/backgrounds for manga?
I only found this one but it's for color illustrations only.

no text

>>5009102
anon stop hiding your anatomy

>>5009102
i can see you need more anatomy loomis bro

Looking for critique. Started trying to copy anime pictures applying anatomy and seem to be failing :(

>>5009161

>>5009162

>>5009162
Could you rotate it next time? You can even do it in microsoft paint.

>>5009183
When I open the files on my computer they're upright but for some reason when I uploaded them here they flipped. I compressed the one im about to post and flipped it manually twice lets see if it works properly>>5009183

>>5009161

>>5009161 Third and last picture

Fuck Moeshitters

how can I improve?
I tried using construction.

>>5009219
It's already good.

>>5009219

>>5009219
At least credit the original artist. The colored one is not yours right?

>>5009231
yeah, mine is the one without color.
the original is from dandoo28 on twitter

>>5008820
>>5006671

>>5008489
bump the shit out of this bc it's so useful esp on pixiv and twitter

>>5009231
faggot

>>5008998
Stop proving my point.

>>5009102
Really nice. Though I do think it would look better if you gave her pupils/irises.

how long do you guys think it would take for a beg to draw like this guy https://twitter.com/bonnypir4

>>5009219
Pic attached is something I drew from 100% imagination. If you like it, take my advice.
My advice is doing even more constructions. Copy good bara artists, learn a little bit of anatomy and you are golden. Bara fags are not picky at all. My favorite artists are tooboshoo, anthyutena/wasp.
>>5009250
How do you know?

>>5009318
>learn a little bit of anatomy
what do you recommend

>>5009322
Google real-life refs, and Pinterest anatomy sheets. I've never touch an anatomy book before.
More bara artist rec: Nullghost, Roku, Remerting....

>>5009318
>how
because you chose the most obnoxious way possible to ask for a source

>>5009318
how long did it take you to get that good

>>5009219
>>5009318
tried doing another sketch. this time I gave it a little bit more attention instead of rushing it off.

>>5009318
I try to emulate a few other artists, but my main inspiration is Jiraiya.
I've been trying to study the Force Anatomy book, but it seems like I need to read the OG Force book first...

Krenz Perspective Course
https://molers.github.io/2020/01/28/Krenz%E9%80%8F%E8%A7%86%E8%AF%BE%E7%AC%94%E8%AE%B0-1/
https://amazingbeggars.wordpress.com/2020/09/01/perspective-with-krenz-cushart-001/

>>5009344
It would look much more professional if you cleaned up the line work. Just do one strong line instead of 3 over the top of each other.

>>5009334
>>5009344
Sorry pals. I became a little jaded talking with 4chan people over the years.
>>5009343
2018: start drawing seriously
2019: got a job - no time to draw
2020: lost job - start drawing a gain.
>>5009344
Jiraiya; good taste their my man.

>>5008886
CSP all the way

>>5009211
amen!

I'm still learning anatomy can somebody help me out analyzing this.

It the neck meant to be this low?
I feel like the artist made it too low and doesn't feel like it's connected to the cervical part of the spine where it would exit the ribcage.
It also doesn't look centered. Is it just me?
I also feel like with the head at this angle the neck would barely be visible.

Also is her forearm too thick or is it me? Like it feels like they just added fat and made her extensor muscles too big.
Does the arm to that in real life?
Also don't the biceps brachii shrink and triceps brachii get bigger when the arm is extended? I feel like biceps brachii is too big and the triceps brachii isn't big enough.

>>5009689
Damn im gonna coom

>>5009344
>>5009374
>>5009318
sad how all the people who want to draw actual male bodies are all either literal fags or fujoshits.

>>5009718
but havent you try? afraid of being called a fag?

>>5009348
niceee

>>5009718
Because people only draw what they want to fuck.

>>5009718
Fuck the haters draw what you like.

>>5009812
then what about the people who draw animals and children?

>>5009718
>the only time straight hentai has effort put into the men it's for fat ugly bastards or little boys

>>5009689
Which race/nationality is she? Black/Latina/Indian/Asian with serious tan.

>>5009718
Factual. Learning how to draw sexy femboys is my entire motivation for studying anatomy.

>>5009859
10% McDonalds grease

Any critique?
I'm not used to perspective, hopefully I got it right.

any guide to making eyes 3d instead of 2d wrapping around the face?
I heard that you should think of the eyeballs in 3d but it's still hard to get it right

>>5008694
Is it possible to draw clean lineart like this in cheap tablet and cheap stylus?

>>5010100
damn...............

What are you working on, bros?
I'm currently sketching out Lulu from FFX. Then I'll use it for inking practice (and probably fail miserably)

What's the first tutorial one should follow for anime head basics?

>>5010208
Draw her being fucked side ways

>>5010214
"No"

>>5010215
You will never make it you can’t draw the female figure being mating pressed

>>5010217
unlucky

>>5010100
>i already know anatomy

>>5010213
there's no tutorials,learn your fundies bro...

>>5009318
>>5009718
Pic attached for credibility.
I am the fag who drew this. So you want more straight artists to draw male characters. Practice what you preach. If I don't see a male character from you, I'll have the right to call you a crab.

>>5010199
>>5010227
Can't you just tell me where I went wrong.

>>5010217
Mating press is really gay since half of the screen is the male ass and balls

>>5010239
but how can you apply them to anime/manga? that's what i don't get

>>5010239
What are the fundamentals?

>>5010318
Did you actually draw this? Quite good if you did.

>>5010497
Except for the skirt, it looks pretty flat and oddly bunched around her thighs.

>>5010318
nice gesture anon

>>5010497
>>5010516
Holy kek, please be joking.

>>5008489
could you please tell proper words like this but for animation?

>>5010530
Not that anon and I haven't been able to find any japanese tutorials yet or keywords but this person makes anime https://youtube.com/user/blacksocieties1
As an artist, they're not amazing, but they record every inch of their workflow and answer questions when streaming which is incredibly helpful. Their tools are as follows:
Clip Studio EX for the frames
CELSYS Retas (the program that animu studios use) specifically paintman for auto colouring from the binary outlines of CSP.
Photoshop for backgrounds. They also know Blender and a small amount of Maya for the 3D required for backgrounds so for example apartment building blocks are modelled in Maya and are painted over to produce your anime apartment block background.
Adobe Aftereffects to put the whole background and anime together (video compositing)

>>5009102
It's good but too noodle-y.
Which is fine though if that's what you're going for. It gives a Mulan feel (the original Mulan animated movie).

>>5010198
Yes, it's all about technique though size of the tablet helps somewhat in regards to long sweeping strokes.

Worth coloring?

>>5010855
Also this

>>5009348
Do you know where I can find Krenz stuff in english? The post explaining the end result of the exercise isn't helpful

>>5010318
Ok, second try

>>5010855
Yes, every bad attempt is a step closer to success.

>>5010100
ellipses are symmetrical and not pointy.

>>5011001
he never does anything English except his gumroad.
either learn Mandarin/Cantonese to adapt or China's new future or perish.

>>5009718

>>5009836
Lolicon/shotacon and furries, retard.

>>5011200
b-but there is plenty of things u will never consider fuckable. i mean planes, ships or even black holes!.. oh wait

>>5008230

>>5011256
They're all monsters and sexual deviants, mark my words

>>5011256
Sweet summer child

>>5011104
thank you but where did I use pointy cylinders/elipses?

>>5010100

>>5011750
Thank you so much, I don't wanna be rude, but I'm not entirely sure where I went wrong. I can see that your pose is different like you can see the upper left leg now but I used vanishing points for perspective, where exactly did I go wrong in doing that? Was I not accurate enough? I'm pretty sure I lined things up and added come contrapposto to the pelvis and torso, some tilt but I tried to line it up so it wouldn't be too bad.
Was it my anatomy? Should I have made her upper legs not as thick?
Was it something else?

>>5011798
Idk, I don't really know perspective I just fuck along until I get something. I think drawing loads from life helps give you a sense of what looks right and what looks wrong over time.

The two main things I noticed was that your breasts weren't aligning with the vp because if you notice in the top left image I drew some lines from the left vp but the line of the area underneath your breasts isn't following the vp point line. Additionally, your leg pointing away from us is flat in one direction so you want to add curves to make it look more natural. I usually refer to Krenz's anatomy sketches for where to add things.

You're also treating the shorts as too flat. They have a degree of space between them and the body, you can give them a bit of volume to make them look a bit more realistic. I've been doing cloth simulation in marvelous designer recently and have noticed this behaviour when trying to make shorts....

For more complicated poses I find that 3D models are the best way to approach things. If you have CSP, plopping in human models will give you a perspective grid which is useful.

>>5011798
You should also have a look at the krenz patreon with the cube rotation too, that one should have english translations if I remember correctly

>>5009874
agreed!

>>5010246
based!

>>5010318
looks nice anon but you gotta work on your cloth and folds too

>>5011798
I didn't really want to redline because I'm still firmly /beg/ myself, but I don't really agree with the other guys redline. It's very clearly a high angle shot of her, and he shouldn't of tried to find the horizon by using the feet because the legs weren't in perspective with the body. I think the biggest mistake was forgetting it should be in 3p perspective because you're looking down on her. I could be wrong though, I haven't been drawing for all too long so I'd be happy if a more skilled artist could weigh in.

>>5011918
I actually agree with the other guy more.

Instead of the whole figure, think about how the original artist drew the burger on the plate. That gives the most clear indication of what the original artists intent was with the pose.

>>5011652
are you serious m8? all of them are pointed from the plate to the shoes to the clothes.

>>5011961
I don't really think we should judge the perspective from the burger as opposed to her actual entire body... The original pose has the arm foreshortened and the hand similar in height from the ground to the shoulder, while their redline has it at around the waist. The plate is also tilted towards her in the original, whereas it's either tilted slightly out from her or is level in their redline.

>>5011918
I mean, perspective is most definitely isn't my strong suit and it's definitely been more than 3 years since I watched or read any sort of perspective course. And just because you're /beg/, it doesn't mean that you don't have something useful to add.

The reason why the top of my cube isn't going down is because her head doesn't seem to be going down although the rest of the body is and I thought it wasn't 3 point perspective because it doesn't seem to me like her head or feet are narrower or wider suggesting that the encompassing volume doesn't have a VP down below or above.

>>5011969
Individual objects can also have their own VPs. It's true. That's what makes perspective even more confusing. For example in framed perspective,

>>5011979
Yeah but you can see the side of the burger a lot more than the top indicating its horizon is closer to it.

>>5011979
Yes, I understand that. What I was trying to say is that we should judge the perspective of her body by using her body.

>>5011979
>>5011985
Forgot to add they reason why I'm fixated on the burger. She is balancing it on plate so it would have the least tilt, giving the plate as the closest approximation to the ground plane.

did the artist use 3d models here?
It feels like he did

>>5012184
Here's another

>>5012184
sure

>>5012188
im serious, take image for example it feels like he made a pose and didn't account for the ground at all. It feels like a pose floating in the air.
Something that CSP and other modeling software does, the ignore the ground.
Even /beg/s would show some indication of a ground or her foot turn from being in contact with it even if they draw badly drawn feet they'd know the ground was there.

>>5012184
Man what a boring ass composition

>>5012187
Symmetrical things arranged in a circle, such as those stands arranged in a circle is incredibly easy to achieve with 3D via arraying and you can use a lens effect to get that sort of perspective
>>5012184
Look at the chairs, it's an obvious tell.

>>5012184
look at junko lmfao
the dangan ronpa artist guy is a sculptor by trade and what he usually draws when he does draw are things like character design sheets or splash art of a character just floating there so i imagine drawing complex scenes like this is difficult for him to do without using 3D

>>5012184
>>5012187
>Komatsuzaki was a sculpture graduate before becoming involved with Spike, and Danganronpa was his first experience as a character designer.

:)

>>5010208
Sketching is almost done
Kinda scared I will fuck up badly if I try to ink it, perhaps I'll just practice hatching and lineart with a pencil :|

>>5012443
booba

>>5012445
based booba poster.

>>5012281
Left arm is fused with leg

>>5012490
huh?

I hate how ded this general is
please post work, discuss drawings or share some cool artwork
I wish I had art friends :(

>>5012671
I've never seen a sketch version of that. Thanks anon. What does everyone think of my Chaos Machina?

>>5008230
wip

>>5012717
You need to work on anatomy and faces
keep practicing fren, it's getting there

>>5012671
I want an art friend that doesn't worship shonenshit, moeshit, gatchashit, or coomshit.

>>5012755
She has goat feet so I probabky should've included it in the drawing. Still though, how does everyone else know how tall to make a drawing before they start? I started with the head and when I got down to the legs there wasn't enough space without giving her midget proportions. Is there an easy way to determine height before drawing?

>>5012781
Well, I'm not expert but I've seen people suggesting the average height of 7.5 heads for adults. Then just subtract or add depending on characteristics of your character in mind.

>>5012778
but that is a vast part of anime bro...

so would you guys recommend something else than loomis for beginners if one knows 100% they want to draw anime first and foremost? like some kind of japanese loomis equivalent i dont know

>>5012992
>but that is a vast part of anime bro...
Anime is just human bodies with an anime face slapped ontop

>>5012992
You don't have to follow Loomis 100%, but it has some good basic info. If you're struggling you may just need to practice your fundamental skills first >>5008813
If you want to see the Loomis method used for anime heads check out Pin2D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko3Zaw8zffk

>>5012992
drawabox then any anatomy book and finally start mimic anime style p easy

>>5013008
>>5013005
thanks a lot guys

I just really dislike loomis style and want to avoid looking at his drawings for weeks while learning his books, you feel me? drawabox looks interesting

>>5013014
Just a warning on drawabox. Perspective is one of the driest things to study if you're just starting out and drawabox will recommend doing a lot of exercises. Shit will get monotonous quick so don't feel obligated to do everything if you feel burnt out.

>>5013003
Adding onto this: anime face is just more anatomy exaggerated in a specific way as the result of a very long historical timeline. To genuinely understand how anime is constructed i think it's worth learning how traditional more realistic art is created and then exaggerated.

Or just copy anime until you're satisfied, whatever works for works for you

>>5013005
>shen shwao hah
>jin bung
>ji wu lao
That...doesn't sound japanese...
I can't trust this.

>>5013057
well whats more fun and rewarding?
going traditional, or copying?

>>5013103
This is subjective ultimately. First define rewarding. Does it mean having fun or paying off in skill? Personally, as someone into programming i have a near-autistic level interest in learning how things work so for me grinding art theory (and history) is fun. I didn't mean to suggest that there's only one way to learn. You could just try a bit of both methods until you find that one is clearly advancing you to your goals better than the other.

>>5013119
alright imma pop a couple addys and grind art theory like a boss later homo PogO

>>5013119
Thank you very much for your insighs. I shall try both methods.

>>5013126
insights*

>>5012778
do you have some examples of anime that dont fit those four categories

recent shit, low effort, brain fog reee

Damn I really need a scanner

>>5013189
Katangatari, durarara, lain, anime before 2010

>>5008230
Is there a way to implement a Pantone color palette on CSP?
Anime studios in general uses Pantone color groups for main colors and shadows on characters.

>>5013793
Anime studios don't use CSP for that. Look at the youtube channel on >>5010557 for animation and find out that RETAS paintman is a lot more efficient for your animu workflow or you can export for opentoonz if you know/want to learn that, there's a tutorial for CSP to do that.

>>5013804
I'm only looking for the color palette on CSP.

>>5013815
What about this? https://www.clip-studio.com/site/gd_en/csp/userguide/csp_userguide/540_color_plt/540_color_category_plt_colorset.htm

>>5013818
Not really what I'm looking for.
But I found a color chart, so I'm just gonna use the eyedropper for now.
Thanks anyway.

Some anon told me to post this on /asg/ instead of /beg/, s-so pls take care of me.
>Is my pic related any good so far?

>>5013946
that's not how you green text, bich niga

>>5012184
>>5012187
>>5012194
>>5012263
>>5012264
Uhhh you guys do know that these CGs were not done by the character designer, right? I mean, he did do some CGs, but not these horribly drawn you guys used as an example. Here's two examples of a CGs that was actually made by him:

>>5013962
Second example

>>5013956
Don't tell me how to greentext you fucking tourist, go back to whatever shitter normalfag clickbait website your whore mother conceived you in.

>>5013946
I think the forearm is a little short and the elbow should bend down a little more.

>>5013965
Cope, seethe and dilate, newfag

>>5013965
Nice artstyle, sauce of artist?

>>5013987
>asking for spoonfeeding
Kill yourself.

>>5013986
They obviously don't teach you faggots how to blend in.

>>5013992
No fuck off

>>5014033
>can't even greentext
Cope harder, discordtranny

>>5013826
>no brown + shadow colors
how the fuck i am supposed to color my delicious brown animu women?

>>5014058
use the orange chart but make it darker

>>5014058
1535 + 1545
retard

>>5011828
>>5011835
>>5011918
Thank you, I'll keep practicing.

>>5012671
I'd love to discuss drawing styles but my brain is too small for that. Here's a drawing by animator Ryo Imamura, gotta love the "cool factor" in his work

Drew this, I'm trying to get better at perspective, did I do it right?
I had some trouble with the mouth, because of the curvature of the mouth and I wasn't sure if the tongue would be visible at the angle.
Also tried to push the gesture with the right shoulder, I'm not too sure if I did it right.
The image is tilted and her right leg is lifted and the left is on the ground.
I also did the rule of thirds on the face, belly and doornob

>>5014399
*because of the curvature of the face

>>5014399

>>5014399
she's standing upright, and we're looking at her from crotch height.
and then suddenly we get a view of the top of her traps and it looks like we're now viewing from head level. her ribcage should be blocking most all of this from view.

>>5014430
Yeah I titled her body, the torso, pelvis and head shouldn't be the same angle.

>>5014431
>now viewing from head level
forgot pic related

>>5014399
Looks passable to me

>>5014433
perspective also applies to the characters you know

>>5014444
>>5014434
>>5014431
really rough guide but
This is kinda what i wanted to do, the right shoulder is lifted but hidden behind the head.

Where do you guys like to look for inspiration for cool poses?

>>5014459
Pinterest, Instagram and google are good starting points for pose searches

zerochan also has pose tags so you can search for people jumping, etc

On /ic/
Hyperangle books
Real pose
yoh yoshinari artbooks, krenz sketches etc
Those NMA model uploads
??? The series of 6 or so books can't remember what they're called
https://www.kamitokatachi.com/

On CGPeers
Grafit reference
Noah bradley or whatever his name was
3DSK these are kinda shit
Bodies in Motion

>>5014431
>>5014434
>>5014444
Oh I see what you mean, sorry. I didn't tilt the ribcage enough, I'll keep that in mind for next time.
Thank you

>>5014453
do i really gotta do all those perspective lines just to draw an angled animu girl

>>5014463
No, unless you’re some /beg/ that can’t freehand foreshortening and knack for perspective.
At least he didn’t do some mid point box mirroring Scott Robertson shit

>>5014463
you can literally just download clip studio paint pop a human model onto the scene, pose it and it will generate all the relevant gridlines for you. And manga perspective is just a toggle. It's the easiest way to deal with this bullshit, but it's also important to understand how the fuck perspective works or when you're drawing environments onto the page it will be a big issue

>>5014469
On secondhand, he actually did
Kek

>>5014473
what's wrong with that? Don't you want your drawings to be accurate?

>>5014473
Run from it, fear it, perspective comes for everyone

>>5014463
Usually you learn to freehand perspective with just the horizon and two lines for each vanishing point before you go full on like that and don't even follow the grid you drew.

>>5014453
>>5014462
your biggest and most consistent problem across all your drawings, and again here, is that you're not thinking about what side of the object you're looking at, or what is blocking what from view. you often show tops of heads and undersides of feet on normal standing figures, and other such impossibilities.

compare pic related with a fairly similar setup to yours, especially around here >>5014434 where you've got her jaw and head blocking the neck from view, while in low angle shots we should be getting a pretty full view of the neck, even if the head were tilted as far forward as it can go.

>>5014476
If I want to be 100% I’ll just use 3d models at that at point. Being able to freehand and rough shit out and still be 85% to 97% is what most artists strive for.
Just look at any regular artists that isn’t Scott and you’ll see why. The method is accurate sure but time consuming as shit unless you’re doing mechanical stuff but even that could be simplified.
His methods is more on teaching you perspective than using it as scaffolding for all your drawings

>>5014486
It also seems like in this image it's clearer that the left side of the body is lengthened compared to the right side of the body to accentuate the fact that the person is essentially standing in an in perspective rectangular prism

>>5014487
The problem with using 3D models is twofold.
It's easy and quick to get, say, a human in the scene because almost every poser like the CSP one will have people

However there are also no backgrounds, etc, in them. So you either have to stay with the only stuff that's available OR you learn how to model the background also. It can be quite challenging. For example, I was greatly struggling with how to facet a jewel and sometimes you might not even have a tutorial on the internet for modelling whereas if I want to DRAW a jewel I can simply google it. Furthermore, 3D renderers won't generate a grid for you and CSP will crash if the polycount is too high for it to handle and the number of polys it can handle sucks. At some point in time, you will HAVE to combine your 3D and your 2D.

And this is where it gets tricky! Because you have to know perspective in order to match it.

>>5014489
that's a CoV thing that you can push if you want or not, the loli drawings tend to be telephotoy but that's not wrong per se.
but the issues with viewing angle would still be a problem in plain parallel projection without even bringing perspective into it.

>>5014496
Why are you talking like that I don't know jack shit about perspective?
most of what Scott talks about is quite basic and only daunting to anyone who haven't wasted drawing freehanded boxes or setting up either a 1p,2p, or 3p grid and then trying to draw boxes or any shapes you can think of.
3d is normally use for backgrounds, ect sketchup, blender, maya, you get the point.
pic related is a hentai game I use to practice 3d forms and would basically draw it over and over again till something clicks that I can easily draw a pose with minimal construction.

>>5014507
Also CSP pose thingy can suck my dick

>>5014507>>5014515

what game?

>>5014516
>custom maid 3d 2
making it work is a bitch,
making the mods work is a bigger bitch

>>5014515
The CSP pose thing might suck dick but you can import any low poly backgrounds into it. If I, say wanted to model a pair of low poly wings and import it in and a halo and cat ears and a low poly room, I probably could do it. Whereas, an H game is quite limited. In fact I'm moving my whole workflow into 3D at the moment so I can setup custom lighting on top of modelling the bits for anything I'm making.

>>5014522
I think you're overcomplicating shit a bit too much, if I want to do backgrounds i'll just go wit the sketchup route or download sims 3,
for things like "wings" "cat ears" or a halo on top of the characters head, you're just better off actually drawing that than say booting up blender making your own or using that plugin off github and directly download shit off sketchfab for free.
ultimately you're just better off collecting references of environments you want to draw off google and know how to actually draw backgrounds. the biggest advantage with 3d is that you can have a fully rendered scene and you can easily move the camera around so you can have multiple shots with only using one background to give more information of the environment you want to portray and tell.
but you do you.
oh yeah that hentai game can easily get .obj imported if you're using blender to make props.

>>5014531
>oh yeah that hentai game can easily get .obj imported if you're using blender to make props.
That's pretty dang nice for a hentai game

>>5014486
>that ass
ayy lmao

>>5014686
i feel like i couldve colored it better but idk how

>>5009718
>>5010246
2 days have passed. You are now officially a crab.

>>5014693
Based.

I'm slowly but steadily IMPROOOOVING
Gonna start Huston's anatomy course today

>>5012718
finished

>do a rough sketch to figure out the pose I want to draw
>looks amazing
>trace over it using a backlight to do a "clean version"
>looks way worse and soulless

Why does this happen?

>>5014827
Brain chooses the best place to put a line because your lines in the sketch are too lose and thick

>>5014774
I saw you on Twitter you did that Thumbnail for rev. Keep up your streak on DAD!

>>5014827
>>5014954
this.
Happens to me too and it sucks.

>>5014827
Same. Some dudes apparently do cleanup lineart at the end, seems strange to me but maybe that will cover for my bad lineart.

>>5015115
I started cleaning my lineart instead of inking, and it looks much much better and also i don't hate myself while doing this, started drawing like x2 more when ditched line art

>>5015121
That sounds great. Do you just paint under the sketch or how do you keep stuff from going wonky?

>>5014827
I do 2- 4 more sketches before I start drawing the lineart. But I work mostly on digital. All my trad stuff are sketchy thumbnails andfigure/gestures.

>>5014739
Dont give up anon

>>5015102
yup lol I'm trying, sometimes I just forget to post

>>5009689
You're way overthinking it, no drawing is ever 100% perfect acurrate to life and with stuff like this it isn't that important. maybe worry about your own art.

>>5010100
pose is stiff, there is almost no foreshortening, her eyes are a bit weird... I think it's because both irises are dead-on. the hand is also odd (look at the stubby fingers). keep working, and I'd advise studying anatomy for sculptors along with grinding gestures.

>>5012443
not bad, don't date your stuff front and center though, it looks super tacky.

>>5010246
good stuff, love your line motion. got sauce on pic?

>>5010318
everything is a bit wonky here, it all feels very flat, study anatomy and include some actual values instead of just flat+shadow. also, don't just leave the edges (like where her bangs reach the top of her forehead) unfilled it looks unprofessional.

>>5010855
do it, like another anon said you can't learn unless you try

>>5011269
would be nice with cleaner lines, and she has man hands, it looks strange.

>>5014687
goode stuff. although i think the chromatic abrasion is unnecessary

>>5015132
Im esl, maybe i said wrong thing, i do line art, but without inking, i clean up sketch till i feel like it enough, and the more i do it the more pictures i do the more sketchy line art looks, i start enjoying it actually, here is fullrez lineart i did, i almost do not pain, just basic colours and shadow through multiply

>>5015199
here is "render" sorry for coom

>>5015199
>>5015201
dude your english is absolute garbage barely understandable

>>5015212
As i said, im esl, dont live in eng speaking country, im usually better at it, just really tired

>>5015201
Wow

>>5008820
Check on bargue plates

>>5015217
It's okay anon. You'll get better.
Nice drawing.

>>5013965
He's right though

>>5015201
Blog?

>>5015231
>>5015248
>>5015313
Thank you, anon https://twitter.com/shofixi

I feel like this is my first big step towards being a pixiv anime artist like those who do character portraits for F/GO.
I mean I've drawn a lot of characters but this one feels like the kind of shit I imagine is on pixiv. You know, a horny anime girl with fire powers. Yeah I can totally see this being a 3* on FGO... I fucking love me.

Though I don't know how to actually make it look smooth, not that good at painting and shadows yet

I think I'm on the right track to becoming a pixiv anime artist, like those from F/GO. This is my original character, though I still don't master the brush like those smooth artworks I see sometimes.
If this was a little bit cleaner and with better colors I could see it giving me good money

>>5014461
thank you anon

>>5013826
Am I using these colors right?

Persona 5 character, I don't know her name

>>5015417
is he chocking that doggo with his big bear yaoi hands?

>>5014399

you niggers really can't do the simpliest shit , just use a box that's it.

>>5015462
lol

>>5015198
There you go. Her neck looks super long in this picture.

>>5015407
Nice character, but this is very rough and needs some work if you want to get to FGO artist's levels.

Is this a finished piece- Your lines are shaky and sketchy, lack weight variations, this is especially apparent on her top. The eyes look like they're going in opposite directions. Your coloring shows promise though, with a bit of polishing it'd look alright.

Like the design tho

>>5015407
No. No you're not.
Unironically grind more anatomy. Grind your faces. Grind fucking everything.

>>5015793
Anime is really just polished turds, isn't

>>5015407
Unironic dunning kruger.

meh

Please help me, how do I draw a beautiful face?
I tried to copy every line (will post reference after) but mine ends up looking weird and not elegant. I know the body is also fucked but I'm focusing on the face in particular.

>>5015965
Here is the reference.

>>5015965
your shapes suck

>>5015994
Thank you so much!
When you say shapes, you mean stuff like my eyes, nose etc right? I'm retarded please be patient with me.

>>5012443
take a photocopy of it and practice

How the fuck do I paint like MikaPikazo?
Also how to draw feet?

>>5015407
Flip your canvas more, while the shape of the head itself is good the parts of the face are super uneven. The right eye especially is totally off.

>>5015965
the full eye outline makes it looks weird

>>5016016
Kinda off. Go study gesture and composition. Learn how to lead the eye, if you want to draw like your ref

>>5015968
I think main issues are a) her irises are in bad perspective and b) her brain case is too small. Also in your version her farther eye is too big compared to the closer one. Look how deeply the farther eye is set below the brow in the original and how yours pops out like on a fish. Sorry for the rude analogy

If you're seriously wondering why your version is bad, try tracing over both your version and the original with G pen, each on it own separate layer. Then stack the layers on top of each other and have a long think about what happened with your version. Yes it's tedious and you don't need to do it every time but you will learn serious facts every time. I disagree about gesture and composition (these are very good but not relevant here imo), if you like that artist you should vary between tracing and copying them by eye for a few months and always think about the effects of foreshortening and perspective

>>5014399
Take the Krenzpill anon
/folder/VpoWEAJS#JVDBa0wPg6v5xRv7OD8grA

>>5015922
Learn to draw real human skulls.
Heads will be easier and look better

tfw eternal /beg/

>>5015968
Get Better Reference.

>>5016459
Push self

>>5016394
How the fuck are we supposed to understand? Nothing in there is in English

>>5008230
Do you know an artist who: has a manga that has been animated AND shows naked (or almost naked) bodies?
I want to use it to study figure (and anatomy) from "character sheet" and manga panels.

I realize I'm asking about hentai.
so... Who's your favorite artist?

>>5016067
hey that looks good. just look at feet references till it comes naturally

>>5016631
Hizuki Akira
Shirabe Shiki
Michiking
Pochi
Endou Okito

Ane naru mono from pochi is planning to get an ova adaption by kadokawa (sfw manga version so probably no nudes)

anyone have anymore of these?

>>5016868
You can draw and rotate heads in blender if you want, webm related is what I whipped up when learning greasepencil and here is a demonstration vid of doing it with cars going from a 2d drawing into a 3D rotatable drawing https://streamable.com/l7fbt9

>>5015201
WOW NICE COOM AMIGO

>>5016868
i like how somebody went through all this effort for a shitpost, and then the chin is going away from the horizon

>>5016891
Reminds me of Hunter x Hunter's Biscuit lmao

Hello, could somebody red line the perspective used here?
I can't quite seem to figure it out.

Is this thread for humans only?
Can we post animals or monsters from anime?
Like nanachi from made in abyss, kyuubi from madoka or even a pokemon?

>>5016997
Well I personally think it would be fine assuming there isn't some autistic shitposter that gets triggered by it

>>5016991
What do you mean? I don't think anybody constructs 3 VPs before constructing an anime girl.

>>5016633
Thanks. Anything regarding the colouring? I've checked some of his stuff and I think he uses higher value variations to shade darker colours, and higher saturation variations when shading skin, but idk.
I don't want to replicate 1:1 his style, but I'd like to get a better understanding of it.

>>5014033
>joggerloving tranny
lmao dilate my DUDE

>>5016602
>Nothing in there is in English
....

Any critique? I tried rotating the parts of the body so they're more accurate in relation to the perspective.
I had some trouble with the head. I can rotate a normal human skull but an anime head is a bit tricky, mianly because of the chin and cheeks. I'm not sure if I show the curvature of the jaw for anime styles, or I skip adding details to make it more stylised, I haven't really seen anime characters with their head tilted back like this especially lolis who lack more detail features. I think artists like Ishikei just move the mouth and nose up and keeps the chin pointy so he avoids having to show that, here's an example https://nhentai.net/g/51775/5/.. I guess it's like not showing mickeymouse from the front. The cheek are also chubby, I don't really know how they would work with the jaw but I still tried. I ended up shading the part under the jaw because it looked weird without it

>>5017622
i admire your attempts but that is a huge nightstand

>>5017622
man if you put all that effort into grinding fundies you could easily be int in 3 months, but you can't cure autism....

Thoughts, I drew this from reference? Or do I need to go to fundamentals? Was about to do Drawabox today since I never finished it a few months ago.

>>5017626
This is my reference, I don't wanna post a child because mods remove images with children.
https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/59/07/12/500_F_159071216_A14QlzI5DimBAnIz22uuAYiASU7Eb9Oc.jpg

>>5017635
I do study fundemnetals. I've pretty much finished anatomy for sculptors, and memorised most of the muscles and bones by heart, most because I still have to study the head muscles a bit as I'm lacking, I do figure drawing everyday for at least an hour and try to incorporate contrapposto and gesture into my drawings and am currently trying improve my perspective and foreshortening. I even used two point perspective in the drawing I posted. The only other fundementals I'm missing is value and color but I'm focusing on these three first.

>>5017653
>and memorised most of the muscles and bones by heart
> I've pretty much finished anatomy for sculptors
>The only other fundementals I'm missing is value and color but I'm focusing on these three first.

i don't know if you have a huge ego or you are just an idiot and i mean it, have you ever saw any high quality anatomy drawing? i don't mean some atlas shit but a drawing were you can see the anatomy being conveyed correctly(pic), your anatomy is beg level not because is not polished but because most of it is anatomically incorrect not even cherrypicking about some minor detail being off but large parts being incorrect like the feet in the right,chin,forearm,knees and theres more.

you are just like any other beg that thinks knowing 8 heads=body is enough( this is hypervole).

that's why you keep being told go study your fundies but i mostly sure you only spend 30min in one part and once you can replicate the the image you move on rather than understanding and being able to reacreate the image/subject.

>>5017622
Something about the shirt and shoulders make it look like the shoulders aren’t above the viewer. Look at ur ref again

And the leg proportions are wrong upper leg should be around same length as lower leg

>>5017684
Then how am I meant to learn anatomy?
I'm clearly doing it wrong.
Can you tell me?

I basically just study proportions, memorise muscles and bones and try drawing them from different angles, if the book I'm reading mentions notes I write them down too.
This is what my study of the hands and feet look like. I draw them out, try to memorise the muscles and bones and label them then draw them from different angles. If you have better idea for learning anatomy I'd love to hear it

How do you do it?
I assumed grinding it into memory was the way to go.

>>5017698
you are talking out of your ass you haven't memorized shit, how the fuck do you draw these legs and think yeah it's okay, that fucking feet and fingers.
>memorized
yeah look up at your on image you posted

>>5016232
>>5016370
>>5016157
You guys are the best. Thank you for your responses.

>>5017698
Looks like you've fell for the proko/sycra anatomy learning trap.

When I think learning anatomy, I think getting someones basic figure like yoshinari-san's figure, and learning where they place all their bumps and how the relates in 3d forms/shapes I can use in another drawing.

You don't need to know anatomy more than that, for anime girls.

>>5017622
>>5017653
In the original picture, the weight of the little girl rests on the right leg. In your picture, the weight of the girl rest on the back. In other word, that bitch is gonna fall. You bend the perspective to support your character imbalance.

>>5017728
I honestly don't know how to study anatomy but I really did try to memorise everything that I could from that book. I spent ages drawing them over and over, and trying to recall names of bones and muscles.
Things like where fat builds up, the different bones and their names, names of muscles, and other things of note even making up mnemonics to go with them. Most of this was useless as girls don't show these muscles that often, still I wanted to get anatomy right since people kept saying that I got it wrong.
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't say I have a perfect 100% memory of it but I really did study it and could recall them with near perfect success even now.
The only thing I could improve on is drawing the body parts from even more different angles, different positions or by going into medical books. I don't know what else to do to improve my anatomy knowledge from /beg/ status I've tried literally everything.
I actually would put more details one my drawings but I was told that it looks weird seeing anime girls have detail unless they're muscular for muscles or bony for the bone details.

That said I have a terrible eye for finding out what's wrong with my drawing. Thanks for tell me what's wrong, I genuinely saw nothing wrong with it. I don't know why I have this problem. if I were to draw the body part on it's own I could do it fine.

Also if you tell me how to actually learn anatomy, the proper way that would help a lot.
>>5017759
People told me to learn anatomy, so I tried to do whatever I could and even now I still don't know how to study it. So I just learnt everything that I could about the body. I wish I knew how.

>>5017688
Thank you, I tried to fix the shoulder and top, hopefully it's a little better.

>>5017813
Did you actually try to look at real references or your favorite artists art and see how you could apply those anatomical knowledge?
Or did you just memorize the name and shape of muscles, and stick it onto a basic mannequin all call it done?

>>5017835
Yeah I used to just put all the muscles and landmarks that I could, until people told me to stop since my characters looked too muscular, then I just stopped and put the main ones like the fat pads on the upper legs, correct bumps of the extensor and flexor muscles on the forearms, bump of the tricep brachii, the ulna showing on the forearm, etc.
I toned it way, way down.
My main problem now is that I miss things I guess, like proportions and how certain parts look at different angles.

>>5017870
Oh sorry I didn't word my questions clear enough, kinda sleepy haha
What I meant is did you do studies from references? Because your study image looks like you draw it from imagination, rather than trying to analyze and deconstructing from references

>>5017925
I do the following
I first do the gesture and try to incorporate contrapposto with a stick like figure while still trying to avoid making it stiff and making sure it has the proper proportions.
When that's done I add the anatomy while paying to the rotation of limbs and the bumps.
That's pretty much how I draw now. I used to draw out the skeleton but most of the time I'm putting clothes on it so I skip it and add bones at certain landmarks when it's needed. I sometimes do boxes but it doesn't help that much.

>>5017925
I basically do >>5017966 for every drawing I do.

I don't really do studies really I'm not really sure how to, I just do figure drawing and learn from that, if that counts.

Cheating pose

This one too

>>5010530
>>5010557
original anon who made that post,
If you give me time i'll make another guide for animation, I already found great link and keywords to use.

>>5018439
Thank you so much for your contribution

>>5008489
that video is a very interesting method. What artist did you pick as your "muse"?

>>5018705
I'm not the original poster for that, I just copy paste. I choose Yusuke Murata.

lecture doodle

>>5018798
Face looks fine, neck looks awful

>>5018853
thanks, could I get a redline on the neck?

Next thread?

>>5018439
very nice anon!

what syllabus does /asg/ follow?

New Thread:
>>5019310
>>5019310
>>5019310

>>5008230
Will i find background tutorials and their use in this thread?