/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5006533
You start, OP.

>>5006540
high tier pro

good job anon you have already made it

>>5006540
AH AAAAH AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M GONNA CUMMMMM

Will professional studios not like it if I'm known for posting on 4chan? Am I less likely to be hired if I'm well-known here?

>>5006604
as long as you don't post racist shit along with your art i can't imagine anyone is gonna care

>>5006604
they at most run just a quick search on your name to see if you're not a creepy schizo who burned their parents house as a teen 20 years ago

>>5006648
seems about right at least for your sense of proportion and use of colors. keep going anon and you will surely make it.

>>5006677

1 year of drawing, 2 months seriously. I think mid tier begginer maybe?

>>5006677
>>5006702
did the guy who made this ever made it?

>>5006704
straddling the low/mid tier line i'd say. your proportions aren't terrible which is a big deal imo. the road ahead is long but keep going!

>>5006540
My man. I drew this 5 months ago.

>>5006533
NO

>>5006743
normie. making it is not an option

>>5006729
damn you’re based

>>5006648

>>5006821
Bump the both of them one notch down.

Not sure lads

>>5006841
low/med int. you will surely make it, but only if you work hard!

>>5006841
/int/

>>5006729
can't believe i wanna fuck a thick patrick now

>>5006841
I really like this for some reason. Mid int.

>>5006841
mid int. very good anon.

Mid beg only because i can draw from imagination

>>5006856
i think thats a fair assessment. nice perspective on the feet.

>>5006856
youre on the cusp of high tier beg i think.

>>5006843
>>5006844
>>5006853
>>5006854

That's a fair assessment for to me, any recommendations?

>>5006879
what are your goals?

>>5006879
better grasp on line weight, also try to work on flow and dynamic angles.

>>5006892
wouldnt lineweights go against anon's stylistic choice?

Started this today still WIP

>>5006897
beginner. mid tier as you show some understanding of perspective. chasing porn money means you are less likely to make it. your future is cloudy!

>>5006907
Not them but you’re so cute

>>5006897
/beg/. sorry. Don't give up on the wip

>>5006913
t-thanks. you too!

>>5006888

Need to actually be asked these questions, I should really be posting here more often. Short answer just achieving good drawing skills with the hope of working as an animator.

>>5006892

Thanks. I'll pay more attention to that tomorrow.

>>5006895

Using a basic hi tec 5 pen so it's pretty basic in its line weights. Good pen for learning though.

I always wind up here or watching family guy clips on YouTube when I’m slacking on homework, what think

>>5006925
beg, low tier. you're trying to make advanced drawings without understanding the basics of form in perspective.

Last thing I drew. I'd say low beg, maybe pushing mid. I fuck up anatomy and proportions way more then I like and keep having to redraw stuff. Been drawing for almost a month now, Nov 20th will be the 1 month anniversary

>>5006940
You even rank me. Thank you. I still consider my self mid beg though.

>>5006919
try designing your shapes to communicate the forms and gesture more clearly. read barbara bradley's book, Drawing People: How to Portray the Clothed Figure.

>>5006950
her face says beg high tier, everything else lags behind quite a bit. a career in portraiture awaits you!

>>5006954
>her face says beg high tier, everything else lags behind quite a bit. a career in portraiture awaits you!
Thanks, Im currently trying to work on forms and perspective with a bit of anatomy here and there. Just trying to get things to look more 3d and real

Doesn’t it make a big difference whether something is form reference or not?

>>5006925
If these are from reference, I’ll agree with low beg

Forever mid-/int/

i consider myself mid-beg

>>5006974
its tough to assess this. you're executing well on what i feel is an outdated aesthetic. if it were the 90s i'd place this in the pro mid tier. could easily see this being promo art for some show on liquid television.

aesthetics aside, if i can judge based on this one pic i'd say you're held back by your compositional choices. look at the thumbnail for this pic. it's incomprehensible.

>>5007003
high-beg for the values, but there's not much else going on here. you're at risk of falling into the polishing-turds trap if you don't study construction and anatomy.

>>5006974
not that I have a problem with your style but is there any thread you dont post your work on? feels like you shoe-horn it everywhere
like putting that chicken on the digimon evolution thread, gets tiring my man

>>5007039
>>5006974
mid int

Sometimes I post red ballpen drawings, but watercolor is my main medium.

>>5007062

>>5007062
mid int, inching toward high. youre held back by messy values and form rendering. her mouth is the main issue in this painting.

Gonna color this digitally

>>5007081
Also I think mid

>>5007067
Thank you, it does look flat and too late to fix, besides I didn't know how to fix it anyway.

>>5007083
mid what though? pro? int? beg?

>>5007046
My bad, the chicken thing was a shitpost, i drew a real cat shortly after. Drawing things for random /ic/ threads is my favorite part of /ic/...

I’m pretty conscious of not spamming the same drawings across multiple threads since that is one of my pet peeves, but usually I only post 3 drawings a day and they are typically isolated to /alt/

>>5007034
All my drawings are incomprehensible... if i knew why i would fix it. Any tips are appreciated

>>5007106
>All my drawings are incomprehensible... if i knew why i would fix it. Any tips are appreciated
read up on the fundamental principles of composition. i dont have a specific recommendation for you but there should be a ton of links in the book thread. try asking there.

>>5007034
thanks for the feedback

I make the mistake of painting dark first, adding light, and then leaving the shadows all pretty much the same darkness throughout. I think my work looks too digital and flat.

>>5006894
i can tell the nigga who made the drawing in high tier beg made this. that drawing is low-mid tier beg.

>>5007159
Post your work.

>>5007147
The rendering itself is actually quite nice, it's the underlying form that's flat. You gotta work on your drawing skills and then rendering will fall into place.

>>5007101
Int

>>5007172
Thank you, I agree.

>>5007147
Same as the other guy said. That rendering is really pretty

I would put myself in beg high tier.

High tier beg; I didn't have any knowledge of loomis outside of /ic/ chat while making this but I know I need to sit down and work on it. Just a chronic draw-from-imagination situation.
>>5007062
Looks real cool. Mid int approaching High int for sure
>>5007147
Nice rendering, just focus on stylization or general anatomy. Low int approaching mid.

>>5007062
>>5007065
i'd say low-tier pro
if you made and promoted a comic or series of paintings with the same theme/style, there's a very high chance someone would pay you decently for it.

put me somewhere

>>5007222
cont'd

just as example, the youtube artist arleebean does watercolor stuff almost like yours and she's making $50k+ a year from her art.
https://www.arleebean.com/originals

>>5006841
soul

>>5006841
Anyone else have folders with these guys on them?

I really cant tell where I fall on the spectrum anymore, I would guess high beg, low int, but lay it on me.

beg/int?

>>5007147
Renderfag sama?
I kneel

I would put myself into low beginner

>>5007244
Yes and that's fine
Keep it up anon

>>5007231
Mid int. I struggle to see it as front page artstation, eliminating pro, but the background and details are too nice for /beg/. the foreshortening feels a bit off, the coat and skin have an unfinished look for reasons I don't understand, and some of the proportions are a bit funky like the right wrist.

>>5007233
Mid beg. Figures like mid page top right corner are pretty threadbare and cars like foreground midpage 3rd row left side aren't particularly impressive displays of perspective, but building work like midpage 2nd row right side is too nice for low /beg/

>>5007233
Firmly /int/.

>>5007254
Mid pro. Very neat line weight,appealing, very confident lines, interesting style, well modeled hands and feet - though the lack of face and back-facing angle feels like missed opportunity and it being a sketcherly figure drawing without values and background makes it hard to determine if other high pro skills are present (expression work and faces, composition, character design, etc.)

>>5007212
High beg. The face got a bit smushed by the chin, the foot needed some reference, and the left ass cheek and left leg look broken at the hip and compressed, but the hand is very well done, the pose and anatomy is interestingly appealing

>>5007213
Normie tier or Low beg. The robot's face is kind of appealing, but I have no clue on first impression what's going on, lines are repeatedly being retraced with zero confidence, no values are present, I have no clue what the top left guy's design is supposed to be, and huge quantities of detail needed to successfully convey these are robots that occupy 3D space are missing.

>>5007147
Mid beg. The character and clothing design is quite nice, but the background and lighting needed reference and would've benefited from combining shadow shapes to simplify.

Other issues that bar this from high beg or low int are that the leaf shade projection also doesn't appear to be in perspective on the objects in the scene based on leaves like shadows in the crock of her left arm, and that.the values are pretty flat such that if you squint things start blurring together.

Drew this just for this thread. What do you think?

>>5007290
Low-int - the proportions and hands are nice and the torso looks great, but
>the table perspective seems a bit funny,
>the image would've benefited greatly from a second value so you could differentiate, eg, the outside coat and the coat under the chair,
>the character work was already done for you because Lupin is an established IP
>despite working digitally I can still see the undersketch bleeding through by his right foot and right table side
>There are some edge pixel color issues you want to be lassoing around e.g the right wrist (some white pixels), the right collar (a stray brown pixel outside of the coat outline, and some white outline sticking off his right shoe.

>>5007296
yeah, i did it quickly and phoned-it-in in a lot of places

>>5007213
Firmly /int/.
>>5007289
You're a /beg/ who has no idea what they're talking about. If you're also >>5007273, then that just proves it further.

>>5007301
These are my ratings and reasons for them, you're welcome to your own.

Also providing ratings or disagreeing with other people's without providing reasons is pretty normie tier desu

I'm talentless

>>5006974
are you making money from art yet? This is pro work imo

>>5007305
>>5007301
1v1. pyw

>>5007308
low /bird/

>>5007308
Soul

>>5007062
Skill: Pro
Artsiness/Imagination: Pro+++

My personal style cannot be classed higher than mid int but I'm happy with it. This is not my prettiest one but sure is my favorite one!

>>5006648
mid /beg/, work on your line confidence and colours to get to /int/
>>5006704
mid /beg/, work on line accuracy and weight to get to /int/
>>5006821
Crow is high/beg/, low /int/
Probably a niche market for it somewhere
>>5006841
mid /int/, excellent depiction of clothing folds, work on hands and line fluidity
>>5006856
mid /beg/ work on feet and a more interesting pose to get to /int/ but I'm sure there's a niche market for your art somewhere
>>5006925
mid /beg/ work on line accuracy to get to /int/
>>5006950
high /beg/ work on eyes and hands to get to /int/
>>5006974
high /int/, low pro. Especially because of your strong linework and understanding of anatomy
>>5007003
Low /int/ but like anon said you need to study composition and values much more strongly because your anatomy is borderline /beg/, but the interesting rendering pulls it up.
>>5007062
mid-high /int/
>>5007081
mid /int/, work on proportions to improve
>>5007147
Very high /beg/. You are let down by the complete lack of understanding of form when rendering. Great colour/value choice but there is insufficient value seperation for it to read well. Use reference to avoid showing your /beg/ tier anatomy and work on anatomy in order to improve. Overall, nice composition.
>>5007212
low /int/, fix your face and be more accurate re the face
>>5007213
You could be any level potentially between low /beg/ and mid/high /int/ but you are also to lazy to post a judgable clean sketch and it looks messy and super chickenscratch which doesn't reflect well on your performance.
>>5007224
/mid/ int. Appealing forms and animation and story ideas. Very interesting, but would be a lot better with perspective.
>>5007228
low /int/, improve yourself by making the thumbnail read better aka your composition is lacking. Fix it and you will improve.

>>5007106
I love seeing your work on /ic/, you're certainly my favorite artist who posts here.

>>5007231
Low /int/. Fix your damn wings. You obviously understand perspective and lineart and cell shading and composition well, but you can't produce an appealing piece to save your life. I see a competely /beg/ tier understanding of colour theory and look at your thumbnail, there are some super muddy 2000s CG tier rays of light coming out from somewhere. Look at similar artists and figure out a way of making your light and your thumbnail read better and make your backgrounds more interesting and either learn to render or make nice cell shaded backgrounds you will be sure to improve significantly.
>>5007233
High /int/. Good understanding of persective and excellent lineweight. But you probably comfortzoned or pigeonzoned the fuck out of yourself so I don't expect over aspects of producing an interesting piece to be over /beg/. Keep working and work harder to get to /pro/.
>>5007244
/low/ beg, work on accurate copying. Use grids and ruler if it's necessary to copy everything precisely and overlay your drawing and reference to make sure it's accurate. If you're not using a reference, use one for everything. Keep working and you will improve significantly.
>>5007254
High /int/ or low /pro/. Interesting use of forms and lineweight but also no evidence of being able to do composition...
>>5007290
mid /int/ work on line confidence/weight/inking, perspective and colours
>>5007308
mid /beg/. If you fix your damn proportions and examine the reference more closely you won't be /beg/ for much longer.
>>5007336
mid-high /int/, very appealing linework but work on finishing your pieces for fuck's sake.

>>5007305
>>5007310
Here's a quick sketch I did based on the evolution thread. The robot guy is line searching not chicken scratching, and they absolutely have confidence in their forms.

>>5007362
Low /int/ or medium /int/, if you cleaned up your sketch it would be easier to tell. Please finish the piece, for fuck's sake.... <- don't you want to know how good you really are or to push your skill ceiling? Honestly peoples....

>>5007360
> work on finishing your pieces for fuck's sake.
Hahahah I agree I absolutely should practice that

>>5007365
Calm down lol, it's a quick sketch I did just now for the pure purpose of winning an argument.

>>5007289
>>5007301
Thank you!

>>5007344
That's fair. I only ever draw for fun but I suppose that's not an excuse to be lazy. Have a small mix of slightly less lazy sketches that might help assess if you still want to.

>>5007368
Yo, is there any more to that Chris Chan sketch?

>>5007367
Well it's nice and it should be a lot more than a quick sketch anon.
>>5007368
Some really nice colour schemes and confident lineart here anon.

>>5007366
Sometimes it actually looks a lot better to the viewers because it's looser, but cleaning it up helps to bring a sense of artistic completion. However, since it's trad and I completely understand that one wrong move could screw over something that looks very nice to begin with.

Beg- Low tier for sure.

>>5007360
>mid /beg/
Wrong, I'm the least talented /beg/ on /beg/ right now

>>5007394
stfu schizo and take a compliment

>>5007308
>>5007316
Hallow bones but soul

>>5007396
it's not a true compliment

>>5007344
>Low /int/ but like anon said you need to study composition and values much more strongly because your anatomy is borderline /beg/, but the interesting rendering pulls it up.
again thanks for the feedback
that's pretty much spot on but i honestly thought my render was pretty mediocre

>>5006729
sniiiiiiiiiiiffff

>>5007468
work on your sketching phase

idk

i tried drawing link its pretty inaccurate also his nose is so fucking small its like a pimple oof

>>5007344
>>5007360
PYW so people can rate you too.

Professional-high tier reporting in

>>5007396
>>5007424
>>5007316
>>5007314
Im talentless
Been drawing for months and i dont improve

A sketch from the other day

>>5007516
should have took my advice

>>5007517
Did these too

Its hopeless, Ill never be an artist
>>5007141
This guy did gesture for one hour and hes better than me
Ive been drawing for months
>>5007520
What advice?

>>5007525
Stay pleb faggot

>>5007530
Youre not a real person

>>5007526
mid beg, you'll get there
Not "thicc" at all anon

>>5007537
thx
im used to lolis so this is THICC for me

>>5007525
The advice that I gave you the other day in hopes of helping you. If I had known you just wanted to attention whore and cry for (you)'s I wouldn't have taken the time out of my day. I'm not gonna type that shit out again for someone who doesn't want it.

>>5007539
Ahh, gotcha!

>>5007542
That anon has been whining for months. I don't think that anon really wants advice, they just want to vent

>>5007542
Perspective? Have you seen my boxes, they suck. Theres no spark of talent, the whole board calls me talentless

>>5007559
Not that anon but:
Most people who have been drawing, have been drawing for years. I've been drawing for 20. Most of the people I've given advice/crit to over the years have actually ended up surpassing me.

>>5007563
>>5007542
Explain something to me
>>5007141
This guy did one hour of gestutr and he's way better than me now, I've been draeing for 4 months.
I should be better by now 4 FUCKING MONTHS

>>5007567
People who got good in ONE YEAR drew 16 HOURS A DAY FOR A YEAR IN FZD.

>>5007570
Lies

>>5007567
>Explain something to me
No, you're talentless. Stop trying, you'll never be able to draw. Stop torturing yourself trying to learn something you are incapable of.

>>5007574
I'm a liar?
https://www.deviantart.com/alexjjessup/journal/My-FZD-Experience-439439533
You can also read Iris' notes and find out that not only did they learn the absolute shit out of 2D they also learned 3D as a crutch to get that good in a YEAR

>>5007577
Why? Give me the reasons or it's bullshit.
>>5007578
I'm talentless

>>5007579
You're just lazy and overly vocal about it.

>>5007579
so you're saying everyone who went to fzd was talented?
nigga there was a guy who went there that can't even draw an isometric cube properly.

>>5007581
4 hours a day if not 5
Fundies and sketches
4 months wasted
>>5007584
Born into it

>>5007586
Quadruple your time drawing with all the time you spend complaining on both 4chan and reddit about your supposed lack of talent and you will see results.

>>5007589
I'm 19, wasted 4 months of my life drawing
No results whatsoever,Im the worst artist on /ic/

>>5007591
>i'm the worst artist on /ic/
I've seem worst shit on this board before but you know what?
they actually drew something and improved upon it instead of whining about being shitty all day like you fag

>>5007591
Admit it. You are lonely and you want all the (You) you can get. I'll ignored you from now on.

>>5007579
>Why? Give me the reasons or it's bullshit.
Because you don't have the spark. You've been drawing for months and can't improve. Whatever it is that makes a good artist is something you don't have. Plus you've said it yourself. You're talentless just give up it's pathetic watching you. It's like watching a chimp trying to screw in a lightbulb.

>>5007593
I've seen*

>>5007591
STOP Spamming everywhere. YES YOU ARE TALENTLESS, YOU WASTED 4 MONTHS, YOU ARE 42 PRETENDING TO BE 19 YES WE BELIEVE YOU! JUST STOP!

>>5007591
Are you an infp

>>5007516
>>5007525
Looks like absolute shit, If I draw like this I'll just rope myself.

>>5007603
Stop encouraging him and just ignore him, for the sake of my sanity.

>>5007603
>>5007599
>>5007596
>>5007594
You want to crab me? I KNEW IT
>>5007601
Save your tears for another

Really wish I had something else finished to show instead of reposting this all the time but the workplace has us running against the clock to fit important releases before most companies go dormant for the holidays.

>>5007563
i simply must see your work. please

How much would you rate her frens :)

>>5007620
high /beg/. Almost there dude, just really work on your structure and how you relate one form to another

>>5007225
>>5007222
Thanks, the problem is scarce market for people who's into what I'm into. But I am working on shifting my niche to milder stuff, all I have now is gore. I also considered doing coom instead.

>>5007525
take a break from art, ic, and the grind to improve. you need some distance and perspective. come back to it in a month or two, see how you feel

>>5007746
Retard take, dude is obviously /int/. Begs wouldn’t be able to produce the forms in the metal goo that he has.

Where does this put me?

>>5007992
high /beg/

Last thing I drew

First month of class. Literally beg

>>5006974
getting tired of this shitty style

>>5008034
ONE MONTH OF CLASS AND YOURE BETTER THAN ME ALREADY
HOLY SHIT
IVE BEEN DRAWING FOR 4 MONTHS

>>5007984
Honestly it's even a pro, everything seems fine.

>>5008032
That's seriously good, one of my favorite video game girls as well.

>>5007607
Why would I crab you?
Your shizo autism is already doing the work for us

>>5008046
dOES HE HAVE any hope of being an artist?

This one is old but people seem to like it for some reason. See myself in beg but I don`t really know

>>5008048
A niglet from Africa was able to draw realistic portraits, if he can’t even do that then he has no hope of being one

>>5008062
why would someone hope to be a niglet?

>>5008064
No one asked?
What’s your point?

>>5008065
>A niglet from Africa was able to draw realistic portraits, if he can’t even do that then he has no hope of being one

/ic/'s state of denial is exhibited here with pros rated as high int because their ego can't let them rate higher, ouchie.. I'm glad never posting my work in this shithole.

>>5007521
Like them :3

>>5008079
who are you talking about

>>5008067
My point was if some retard in Africa was able to draw portraits, why cant he when he has access to /ic/ and hundreds of video courses and art books.

Beg is an insult
These threads are for cucks

>>5008034
You're lying

>>5008116
Has it ever occurred to you that people have to start drawing somewhere

>>5008116
>>5008079

K Dunning Kruger.

>>5008120
Beg does not refers to time spent, not skill level.
Amateur, adept/intermediate, and professional refer to skill level.
Some chink that grinds 12 hours a day, every day, for 2 years and reaches int isnt a beginner just because he started recently compared to some coper on this board that started 5 years ago but still can't draw hands.

High Int? I know my rendering isn't completely there and I don't draw anime.

>>5008119
It could have been second month. You are either John or John.

>>5008119
Cope, it’s entirely possible

>>5008191
Same model; different pose that day.

>>5007360
thanks bro

>>5007525
>for months
you mean you drew for four months

>>5008326
yes, four months four hours grinding fundies

mid /beg/, I'd be low int if I cared about anatomy and put more effort

>>5008079
the rating sysem is simple.
If only deranged coomers with strong fetishes can jerk off to it, it's /beg/.
If a normal coomer with a similar tastes can jerk off to it, it's /int/
If people are willing to overlook differences in taste to jerk off to it, then it's /pro/.
nearly all /int/ and /beg/ itt

>>5008799
Why is this so based and true?

I envy everyone that can create art, I'm an ape without any skills. I will never make it no matter how hard I try I give up after a while. I kneel.

>>5007984
>>5008044
t. low/mid begs.
if you think this is int/pro you do not have a developed eye whatsoever. sad.

>>5008126
low int/high beg
>>5008032
mid int
>>5007526
high beg

>>5008126
It's /beg/, you still got structural issues

imagine calling yourself a beg and being proud of it
jesus fucking christ theres so many of you cucks

>>5006540
high tier intermediate
>>5006841
some form of intermediate (pro?) def not beg
>>5006856
intermediate/pgmi tier
>>5006925
beg but you're clearly trying to make it and are aware of room for improvement
>>5006950
high tier beg
>>5006974
intermediate into pro tier
>>5007003
beg
>>5007062
pro
>>5007147
cool pic but the eyes and face are beg

i myself am forever beg-always doodling never finishing anything if my life depended on it-tier

what am I

>>5008893
Same person btw

>>5007992
High beg
>>5007620
Mid int
>>5007368
Low int
>>5007336
Low pro
>>5007308
Mid int
>>5007233
Low int
>>5007147
Mid int
>>5007081
Low int
>>5007062
Low int
>>5006974
Mid int
>>5008274
Mid beg

>>5008893
>>5008896
I was gonna say pro but the second pic makes you look low-int/high-beg. Fix your hands, be more strict with yourself with structure, and just keep a higher standard for everything overall.

>>5008900
holy shit, you're an idiot

>>5008902
Wow thanks. Surprised I fooled you for a sec, I'm far from pro lol

>>5008900
Blind and retarded.

>>5008900
High Pro

low int!

>>5008891
>>5008900
Garbage ratings.

>>5008932
Eh. Beg is beg. Intermediate, in my opinion is good enough for a twitter commission, but doesn’t hold up in traditional circles.

anatomical studies, all I do all day
not trying to draw all muscles, I learn a few every couple of days and then draw poses for a few days
1/2

>>5008951
2/2

>>5008951
>>5008952
It’s beginner, but you’re going to improve very rapidly if you keep doing these. GMI

>>5008951
>>5008952
/int/, confident strokes and good understanding of forms. Post a finished work so it's easier to tell where you are, but I'm guessing mid /int/ at least.

>>5008944
legit question:
Why should we take your opinion any seriously?

>>5008984
You don’t have to. I simply explained my reasoning.

>>5008944
>>5008900
Hello Brian, I see u.

>>5008995
I’m not that guy.

>>5008988
Where do you put yourself then?

>>5009000
Low intermediate

>>5008826
I'm not sure If I don't have a developed eye man, but I'm pretty confident to say I can produce better work than you, feel free to prove me wrong but be ready.

>>5009014
High Beg

>>5008826
>>5009015
Both of you pyw, show us who the true dunning kruger is.

>>5008959
I hope so. It gets hard sometimes but then I think about how a few weeks ago I knew 0 about anatomy and it puts things into perspective.

>>5008980
I have no finished work. I haven't even gotten around to learning the anatomy of the forearm, hands, feet and front of the tibia/fibula. Plus all the I've learned is still very rough.

Dont mind the furshit but I'd give myself high beg ig

>>5006974
Your style is so fucking ugly

>>5008126
>High Int
i think you've fallen into the dunning-kruger trap. nobody who draws hands like that is above mid beg tier. they're indicative of a severely flawed understanding of proportion, construction, and anatomy, and your rendering makes those flaws even more obvious. take a step back, study the fundementals, and when you look at that pic again in a few months you'll see it.

Heres a wip of a doodle

>>5009072
at least /int/, maybe pro, can't tell just from this

>>5008900
high beginner

I'M HERE GUYS LOOK AT ME AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

seems that most here on /ic/ don't actually finish anything as there are only like 5 completed paintings here. how can any of you expect to get a true rating of your skill based on sloppy sketches?

View myself as high /int/. Doesn't feel right to give myself any kind of pro because I don't make a living out of it.

>>5009140
Yikes

>>5009140
You're not.

>>5009127
I may not finish work but at least I do some work
Now pyw

>>5009140
...

>>5009120
I am not Brian.

>>5009190
Of course you're not, the person you replied to is.

>>5009203
If that’s the case, he really can’t take critique, can he?

I highly suspect alot of you guys rating people are full of shit but it's entertaining what you all have to say.

r8 me m80s idk where i stand anymore.

>>5009276
Then make the thread less shit and rate yourself.

>>5009306
here's another sample

>>5009306
mid beg. you've got some understanding of perspective but that's it really

>>5009306
>>5009310
Unironically say high /beg/, low /int/ because interesting subject matter halo

>>5009140
Sorry to break your balls but you're high /beg/ at best anon. It's not too late to pull yourself out of dunning kruger.

>>5009142
>>5009150
>>5009153
>>5009325
Not exactly disagreeing, but it'd be cool to at least be given some indication of what's wrong since I'm clearly blinded by mine own hubris.

>>5009339
Here’s a hint, look at the hands

>>5009339
Feel the form

>>5009339
Look at her feet, stand and replicate the pose, try to walk with your feet like that too for more clarity.

>>5009339
a lack of construction is the big flaw as i see it. aside from her ears and pants nothing has a sense of form to it.

>>5009396
what does that even mean

>>5009400
it means the artist doesn't understand what they're drawing

>>5009140
y... you're trolling right anon? please. PLEASE tell me you're trolling

>>5009339
idk, I don't think you're that bad. I'd rate you as a low-mid /int/. Obviously the proportion and legs are wacky and off putting, but that looks like a deliberate choice. In some parts the clothing could wrap around the body better, like on the cloth covering her breasts and arms. That just looks like you phoned it in. The pants could've also been done as ellipses, since you drew her in perspective anyways, and the eyes are a bit too close together for my taste. The feet could be more structural, the overlap in in the calves and forearms could be more pronounced, and the hands just look awkward. But I'm getting nitpicky, I wouldn't rate you as /beg/. You have to remember that /ic/ is filled with people who will unironically shit on pros, they aren't exactly "balanced scales" by any measure.

>>5009420
>>5009339
I just took a second look at your drawings, and I'm not sure what those circular things are that are hanging down by her side, but they're super flat and not in perspective, and the cross-contours you run over your figure by your cuff-lines, stripes, etc, demonstrate you don't understand form (surface curvature) well enough. Those are just a few more things to look out for. Overall, your shapes and lines just give off a feeling of amateur-ness, which is unavoiadable when you don't have the mileage and freedom of people more experienced

>>5009140
Wannabe /int/

high beg/low int?

>>5009447
i don't believe you're being honest

>>5009325
>>5009140
you're mid /int/
don't listen to these crabs
if you build a solid portfolio with these turnarounds plus a few finished paintings and then promoted it, you'd get commissions

>>5009447
med int and i know you're lowballing yourself you faggot

>>5009447
low int/mid int

>>5009140
Did a low effort overpaint for fun. Hope you don't mind anon.

>>5009447
high /pro/ and you know it. fuck off.

>>5009451
I've stagnated so I feel it. I was higher near the beginning of 2020
>>5009503
I feel lower than the other med ints here tho so that's why I placed it there
>>5009529
You don't get around much

>>5009487
Duuuuuudee look at the feeet!!!!!!

WIP of something I'm making, I guess I'm Low tier Intermediate? You guys decided

>>5009638
its mid /beg/

>>5007039
>>5006894
>>5006821
>>5006702
>>5006648
>>5006533
UPDATE THE CHART PLEASE!!!!

I don't know what tier I'm at but people call me /beg/ so I guess maybe mid /beg/?

>>5009733
fbi tier. high.

>>5009140
Anon, this is mid beg. Proportions, planes, anatomy and forms are lacking to give it pass.

>>5009487
Thanks, though I wouldn't have posted if I wasn't trying to get some opinions.

I was trying to push the pigeon-toe to a cartoon-ish extreme but yeah, I think I went too far for how the rest looks. The hands do look crinkled, was trying something new with segmenting the digits into two major parts when at these full body shots where it shouldn't need detailed segments. The circles on her waist for the front angle are meant to be beer mugs but I barely drew them and didn't draw them elsewhere so that's just confusing, that's what the strap on the corset is for though.

That said I don't believe the forms are off, just things like the corset are a bit amorphic in its shape and the proportions are meant to be closer to a shortstack than a normal human being. Camera is meant to be closer to telephoto than wide angle so that's why there isn't much depth, just a flat height across the angles for consistency. I'm surprised no one said anything about the hair, usually gets shit on and I kind of agree that it's overly flat and doesn't look enough like hair. >>5009523 has really appealing hair but it feels a little generic, might just be a better road to go down though; and no, I have no issues with overpainting, it would only help me with ideas.

Either way, 4chan posting comes with the good and the crab and that won't discourage me but I appreciate the vote of confidence. I just did this to help keep the character consistent when I draw her but I'm still not totally happy with this design either.

>>5007746
Thank you. Hopefully I can reach /int/ next year.

>>5009529
Lmao

>>5007620
I really like your coloring, that said I'd do some figure drawing and work on my anatomy a bit more. Things seems a bit off.
Remember that they eyeballs are sphere and that pupils aren't always dead centre of the iris when they turn, they distort. If it helps draw an pupil and iris on a tennis ball and rotate it, you'll notice that it distorts as it goes rotates further away from you.
Your abs seems slanted and seem to be drawn independant of the body, make them curve and go along side the torso. Your gastrocnemeus muscles seems a bit too big for her stature, look at real women legs and you'll see that they aren't that muscular unless they really work out. Still maybe you could pass it off as a style.
Try to learn knees and elbows, they aren't sharp.
Just work on anatomy overall things and you can improve, I really recommend observing and drawing real women. good luck anon.

I wanted to say med int, but then I looked at all of the drawings I post. I'll go with low int.

>>5009779
/beg/

I feel so bad posting in this thread. I hate for anyone to feel bad and the absolute worst but most necessary feeling for an artist is to realize how much more they have to learn. I'm sorry you thought you were /int/, most artists like to think they're /int/, it's not uncommon and actually pretty normal, you need to have an ego to want to draw and make art. I just want you to know I was in your same boat in the previous years in these same exact threads. It crushed me to realize I was a /beg/ but it was really fruitful for my artistic development and really humbled me in that I really went back to the basics and got a solid foundation in drawing.

>>5009772
You are dead on point. But the sad thing is that I have been grinding figure drawing and anatomy for the last 8 months and I consider rendering my weakest aspect because I have never practiced it properly. Even so I will keep at it focusing on improving anatomy and gesture, thank you very much for all the pointers.

>>5009779
mid /beg/

>>5009738
underrated

>>5009787
No worries.
I think my biggest problem is that I don't spend enough time on anything. I'm always rushing through things without using references. I need to slow down and practice

>>5009447
The only high /pro/ in this thread. Sad state of /ic/

>>5009779
You have a decent base to work off. You just need to push your values a lot more and work on your style to make the lineart and form pop

>>5009811
Thanks! I've always had trouble with values, but switching to watercolors has made it immensely more difficult. I really don't know how dark I should go when coloring over ink.

>>5007394
>jane birkin
hi frome /mu
Don't recognise her for shit, but she accidentally reminds me a lot of that girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLDXb8wkP9Y
you're not that bad by the way, just keep working, your drawings show a focus that lets one think you at least have the intellect to make it

>>5009140
Mid int at best for consistency, but last line of >>5009487 is absolutely true

>>5006533
>Beginner-mid

How do I into digital painting?

Can somebody please tell me what tier of art skill I am
>>5009733

>>5009981
Low tier /int/. Work on your clothing folds and rendering (it's not there yet) and you'll improve.

>>5009985
>/int/
wow really?
I was so worried, I kinda still thought I was still /beg/ after all this time.
Thank you. I'll try to improve.

>>5009986
you're 100% /beg/ and the other anon must have even worse perspective than you.

>>5009986
Line confidence is super important and I can tell just by looking at your art that you have plenty of it. Even though there might be issues here and there with anatomy and slight pose stiffness, you sell your skills very well and there's a very good touch on the lineweight. However, your colouring's subpar compared to how good your linework is which is why I want to see better rendering and better clothes and more understanding in terms of values.

WHERE IS OP? SOMEONE EDIT THE CHART AND SAVE IT BEFORE THE THREAD GETS DELETED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>5009986
He's either a retard or taking the piss, at best you're between mid and high /beg/ but doesn't mean you're close to /int/ at all.

Ratings should only matter if the one who gives them is higher than mid-/int/. Otherwise /beg/s who don't know what good anatomy/perspective is rate you as /int/ or even /pro/ while some of you are certainly below that and hide that with rendering/style.

>>5009988
>>5009991
fuck, I thought I was improving. I've been /beg/ for 3 years now.

>>5009993
3 years??? I thought you were like 6 months in and only needed a couple more months of mileage to make it to /int/ or something lmao, fix the perspective issues, feel the form and godspeed anon

>>5009996
You should ignore them and keep working hard. Make a social media account and start building your followerbase and keep refining your art/cleaning up your linework and keep working on colouration.

>>5009993
>I've been /beg/ for 3 years now.
A faith worst than grinding figure drawing endlessly.

>>5009999
damn I got a nice quad

>>5009996
Can people make it to /int/ in under a year?
I'm so fucking shit.

>>5009993
A lot of people being rated here as /int/s are actually /begs/. Your work is pretty good, just stop comparing yourself to others and do your thing. If it's good, then it's good, no matter what other people can do. Just work on fixing your mistakes and issues and you're GMI.

>>5010001
Actually, now that I think about it, it really depends on how much time you can put in a day. I was thinking 6 months in for someone who draws like 4+ hours a day, so unless you're drawing that much you can ignore what I said.

>>5009996
You should ignore them and keep working hard. Make a social media account and start building your followerbase and keep refining your art/cleaning up your linework and keep working on colouration.
>>5009996
Perspective is overrated as a fuck. I put 50 hours into learning 3D and now I can model an entire city and have my 3D posed model in it (or draw it in it) and then light it or convert it all into lineart with the touch of a button.

>>5010001
You can only make it to /int/ under a year if you draw for more than 6 hours a day and attend some drawing school/college (and it's still not guaranteed). A lot of people who are posting /int/ level work and saying they've been drawing only for a few month are either lying or have been drawing for years and only count "serious" studies and leave out months/years of drawing they've done without properly studying art.

A lot of people here forget that most people with 4-5 years of art school would probably be considered /int/ here, but they'd be able to get work/commissions at that level. If you're impatient and dream of making to "int"/"pro" level without putting years of work, you're NGMI.

>>5010008
meant for
>>5009993

>>5010001
I'm pretty sure that going from true /beg/ to /int/ will take a lot longer than a year unless you do an FZD style 16 hour a day grind.

>>5009996
> feel the form
What do you mean by this?
I keep seeing it but have clue what it means.

>>5010015
That anon means that you can mentally rotate the form in space.

>>5010015
Easiest way to feel the form is to draw things see through. Draw the forms even if you can't see them, draw the intersections when two forms are connecting, use lots of cross contours, and add in lots of depth indicators (aka overlapping, how you decide to overlap one form over the other really helps establish perspective as well.)

>>5009787
People here forget that /pro/ is minimum 5-10 years of full-time grind and proper education. High-/pro/ can only be someone with more than 10 years of experience or someone who drew for most of their live and somehow learned the right things.
Most professional artists don't even make it out of /int/, but still get work and commissions. If you take a look at many famous Instagram/Twitter artists, a lot of them are at low-mid /int/ level and hide it with their rendering/style/tracing. Ask them to draw a figure without it - and you'll see that some of them will produce something that belongs to /beg/.

>>5010014
>>5010009
>>5010005
Since a month or two ago I spend most of my day drawing like 8+ hours, in my first year I didn't study at all other and just drew what I wanted and watch the occasional how to draw X video on youtube, I started studying seriously in my second year, even in the three years I spent drawing I took long breaks that was months long, so I guess it wasn't 3 full years, still I spend hours upon hours studying and drawing now though but I can't get anywhere.

>>5010025
Post your work. Maybe you're like me - I've been studying art for a long time, but just a few months ago realized that I was mostly copying stuff instead of analyzing, drawing forms, feeling them. This realization has improved my art greatly. Watching NMA courses by Huston and Vilppu has also helped greatly. You should just stop worrying about the stuff you've previously done - approach every new course as if you were a complete beginner, it will help you as well, because you'll stop making same mistakes over and over again.

>>5010031
>Watching NMA courses by Huston and Vilppu has also helped greatly
Link?

>>5010032
nma.art
There were also some courses ripped in courses thread (search the archives). There are also some lessons on their YouTube, like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>5010041
thank you

>>5010000
Daamnnn you got double quads homie, here, take your price bro

>>5009744
its so disgusting.

>>5009744
Why does it look like you had stapled a grandma body and on top you had added young head, also is she is infected by something? Her skin looks putrid

>>5010000
He's too powerful to be kept alive bros

>>5009744
>generic
look, I dont want to sound like a dick but the one they made has more style to it then the one u did. Like.. In terms of generic, I would define it based on how often you see it, and I see the art style you chose far more than the one used in the other anons. You no doubt are gmi, but there are anons here with higher skill that are being rated lower than you (atleast in my opinion).

Again, 100% gmi. I would recommend studying some books on how fat works and getting more anatomically correct in the arm/hands area because as another anon mentioned, it does look kind of granny-like at the moment which makes it a little awkward

>>5010472
going back to that, not even books, just take a week to learn fat, a week for anatomy, and you should be good

>>5006540
Low /pro/
>>5006677
Mid /beg/
>>5006704
Mid /beg/
>>5006729
Low /pro/
>>5006841
High /int/
>>5006856
High /beg/
>>5006897
Low /beg/
>>5006925
Low /beg/
>>5006950
High /beg/
>>5006974
Low /pro/
>>5007003
Low /int/
>>5007062
Low /pro/
>>5007081
Mid /int/
>>5007147
Mid /int/
>>5007212
High /beg/
>>5007213
Low /int/
>>5007224
Mid /int/
>>5007228
Mid /int/
>>5007231
Low /int/
>>5007233
High /int/
>>5007244
Low /beg/
>>5007254
Low /pro/

>>5010812

>>5007290
High /int/
>>5007308
Mid /beg/
>>5007336
Mid /int/
>>5007362
Mid /int/
>>5007368
High /int/
>>5007389
Low /int/
>>5007468
High /beg/
>>5007474
Mid /beg/
>>5007475
Mid /int/
>>5007476
Mid /int/
>>5007510
High /int/

>>5010824
>>5007516
High /beg/
>>5007521
Mid /int/
>>5007526
Mid /beg/
>>5007620
High /int/
>>5007992
Mid /beg/
>>5008032
High /int/
>>5008034
High /beg/
>>5008126
Low /int/
>>5008356
High /int/
>>5008891
High /beg/
>>5008893
High /beg/
>>5008926
Low /int/
>>5008951
Low /int/
>>5009014
Low /int/
>>5009049
High /beg/
>>5009072
Mid /int/
>>5009120
Mid /beg/
>>5009140
Low /int/
>>5009306
High /beg/
>>5009447
Low /pro/
>>5009638
High /int/
>>5009733
High /fbi/
>>5009779
High /beg/
>>5009925
Low /int/

G R A S P

this probs wont be enough to determine my skill but eh. The hand on the bottom was hard to see so I just went over it with digital so ye

>>5011107
Mid /beg/

>>5011257
Based

>>5011257
>>5010828
Thank you good sirs but much too generous.

Still it has given me hope and drive to get better!

>>5011257
Feels great when I'm alone in my own league, leading a pack of amateurs and begs.

>>5011483
do you have blog? pls give so i can h8 u more than i already do

>>5008050
Making this "studie" too, going to finish the shadows and adjust the eye/muscles so he doesn't look so autistic.

>>5011257
>I'm low int
I thought I was med - high /beg/ like people said.
I really wish I was low /int/ though.
I'd be so happy

>>5011549
Eew, wouldn't want to gain retarded followers from this retarded board in a retarded site.

>>5010812
>>5010824
>>5010828
PYW

>>5011651
why i feel i was generous.

>>5011919
not the point

>>5007760
Do you post your art anywhere? I really like your style there

>>5011919
I’m in there

>>5012022
I did it’s in there

>>5007228
another drawing i made

>>5007344
what do you mean exactly by composition? I drew it based on a photo I found online. Should I have cropped the photo differently?