/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>5003729
muscle?

stop making new threads when the other is on page 2 dumbass.

So i drew myself with my /ic/ bros from beg and it was fun!

>>5003736
having trouble to tell apart from some bones and muscles sometimes depending on how defined those muscles can be

>>5003737
Other one is autosaging, you think /beg/ is smart enough to understand what that means?

>>5003772
looks like we got an OLDFAG! Right guys? Fuck these SUMMERFAGS trollface.jpg umadbro

>>5003760
Based
Keep up the good work and good attitude

is there a structured lesson plan i can follow? something equivalent to guitar or piano lessons i can find on youtube

>>5003801
Nope. Welcome to hell.
Start with Fun with a Pencil and then you have several dozen paths you can take

>>5003801
lurk moar

>>5003729
he needs to work on his glutes

>>5003805
that sucks. i feel like with a music a beginner can learn and master a beginner song, but with art you have to suffer through 10 years of failure, there is no beginner art

>>5003826
When you phrase it like that, I feel like that's not true. There are still lives, anatomy studies, figure drawings that I think are beginner art
Also, you can follow tutorials exactly to get "beginner art"

>>5003826
beginner guitarists and pianists, are just copying what somebody else came up with. if you want to do that in art it only takes a few months to achieve and there's plenty of resources that go over it like bargue.
but nobody wants to do that, so here you are.

>>5003838
i dont think those are equivalent. there is no value in someone that can trace a photo, but there is value in someone that can play fur elise even though they didnt write it themselves

>>5003801
the sticky or draw a box

Tear me apart /ic/

>>5003851
i didn't say trace, after a few months of working at it, you should be able to draw what you see if you take your time and aren't a bitch about using tools.
also disagree about there being any value in a random shitter's beethoven rendition, and certainly zero value in their rendition a few months in.

>>5003826
IDK what the others are talking about, there's ton of quality stuff on youtube. I guess the thing is that unlike music there's variation to methods and approaches, with some being potentially less productive than others.

Anyway just youtube Alphonso Dunn (or something like that), he's the one that made most sense to me

Goblins would be able child size, right? I wanna try doing non humans with varying heights

>>5003886
*about child size* not able child size

>>5003826
>playing a chord or note cleanly = line confidence
>a song is just the exact correct series of chords and notes played in the right order = drawing correctly
>anatomy is like keeping time, if you can’t even 4/4 what the fuck are you doing
All these things take time. If you were given a guitar since birth it would be far easier to play a cowboy song than to draw anime and if your youth was spent scribbling it’s far easier to draw anime than to play jerry Jeff walker. Neither is hard. Both take skill sets and time. Both can be done wi the a unique style, but fundamentals are always the most important.

>>5003883
there is no difference between literally tracing and copying, the latter takes more mechanical skill, but both are equally worthless in terms of artistic value. doesnt matter what arbitrary rules you apply with tools or resolution etc.

>>5003892
and there's zero artistic value in in being a human midi player.
that's also why i said
>but nobody wants to do that, so here you are.

Reposting because I had to fix glaring issues with shoulder and hip.
For fun, even though I haven't studied perspective yet, I tried to guess the horizon based on the figure. Am I way off?

>>5003898
yes there is thats why its not equivalent

>>5003902
source: my ass

Practicing faces from imagination

>>5003899
>>5003907
Youve been drawing for a week and youre already better than me

What exactly is “symbol drawing”? Im not sure I wanna go back to the basics, I do like to draw cartoony but I wanna draw more dynamic poses and add depth

>>5003910
Ive been drawing for months

>>5003910
I haven't been drawing for a week, I've been drawing for months, not counting the time I drew in high-school (not much, mostly on desks). A week is how long I've been trying to learn anatomy and I'm still veeeery early, perhaps just now getting right the first step, gesture drawing.
I have a long way to go and so do you. It's hard, but I bet it'll seem easy after having traversed it

>>5003920
>>5003925
>replying to the akechi avatarfag
stop.

>>5003926
sry I've only been around the past week, who's that?

>>5003926
Idk who that is

>>5003929
dude we've both responded the same thing at the same time twice now. I think we just had 4chan sex

>>5003920
>>5003925
4 MONTHS? 5? TELL ME

>>5003911
Open link to google doc in OP's post. It's literally on the second page.

I'M BETTER THAN ANY OF YOU

If I draw something and jerk off to it, is it incest?

i am once again asking you to critique my rendering
does this look over-blended? how do you feel about my edges in different areas of focus?

>>5003939
>ignoring the folds

>>5003934
About 6-7

>>5003931
Yeah. Have a good day bro

>>5003947
YOURE TALENTED, IM NOT
WHICH POSTER ARE YOU
IVE BEEN DRAWING FOR 4 MONTHS AND I CANT DO ANYTHING THATS DECENT

>>5003953
Im
>>5003907

I believe drawing is a skill that can be learned, check out David Finch's YouTube channel for very good tutorials

>>5003960
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH SO YOURE THE LESSER OF THE TWO I REPLIED TO
IM GOING TO MAKE HEADS FROM IMAGINATION UNTIL I WIN, UNTIL YOU WONT EVER INSULT ME OR MOCK ME AGAIN
FUCK YOU

>>5003962
your stuff is literally better than his already...you have like reverse dunning Kruger

>>5003960
Don't respond to the schizo namefag unless you are drawing fan art of it.

>>5003965
o shit going to make more fanart

Again: Don't reply to the schizo please. He is too lazy an unwilling to practice an improve, so he schizo posts to get the attention he craves

>>5003964
ALL OF MY LIFE PEOPLE CALL ME TRASH AND LOOK DOWN on me, they insult me and tear apart anything I make, to feel like a failure is MY NORMAL STATE, BASELINE, ALL MY LIFE THEY TEAR UP ANYTHING I MAKE AND EVERYONE IS BETTER THAN ME
BUT ILL SHOW YOU, ILL DRAW HEADS FROM IMAGINATION, ILL PROVE YOU WRONG
IN 3 DAYS, ILL HAVE TONS OF THEM
>>5003972
YOU DONT LIKE ART, I LOVE ART
UNTIL THE TIME I POST MY DRAWINGS

>>5003767

>>5003973
You're lying.
You don't love art enough to take the time to draw the heads.
How many will you have to show in 3 days time?

>>5003962
if you do that you will get good, sure. I wasnt insulting you you idiot

>>5003973
>ALL OF MY LIFE PEOPLE CALL ME TRASH AND LOOK DOWN on me, they insult me and tear apart anything I make, to feel like a failure is MY NORMAL STATE


SEE A FUCKING THERAPIST

Do not reply to it

you actually have to report , mods don't browse /ic/ and jannies only report shitpost when you shitpost their discord butt budies

Wow, jannies did their job???

>>5004000
praise be

>>5004004
>>5004002
Do you set up perspective grids before filling out the details or do you just kinda wing it? because it feels like you maybe draw a horizon line and then just fuck off about it. That's not to say I don't like them. They are both very neat, but I just think you could use a bit more planning before you put so much detail work into things, ya?

>>5004000
trips or true

thanks joannies

>>5003729
i tthink is the conection of this muscle with the shoulderblade

>>5004084
from this

I decided to doodle something for fun instead of studying, tried drawing a Goblin Hussite warrior. How'd I do? Not too happy with the face and gambeson, and I struggled with the proportions because it wasnt a normal sized human

>>5004037
I used to really like that artist.

>>5004115
what happened?

>>5004112
Face looks soulless and even kinda creepy. The rest is nice, good job. I like the hands especially, simple but very effective

>>5003886
I mean, they are of whatever size/proportion the author wants

>>5004144
Thanks, Ill try to redo the face. I wanted a stylized/cartoon face but It seems i have no idea how to do that.

>>5004125
Nothing really. I just don't like the style as much. I also read the jap /pc/ community hates how he draws cures.

Does she need to be de-sid-from-iceage'fied maybe

>>5004170
Oh yeah, I guess that's it. He was one artist on my list of emulating and then yeah, that latter half. I wouldn't want that affecting the subculture I'm contributing to.

>>5003977
>>5004084
I'm not grasping the tereses, what makes that concave shape in the middle of the picture maybe it's also a bit of fat on the sidet? also yeah I had to see what was happening with the scapula when it orbits the rib cage

>>5004173
are you the anon who drew that girl with creepy round eyes? if so you improved a lot.

>>5004191
How long ago was that? I think I haven't been on /ic/ in months but here is the most recent creepy eye thing I painted (july)

>>5003716
fucking golden image.

>>5004191
Maaybe this one? (march)

What's the best way to practice drawing environments and perspective? Every time I sit down to draw a background I feel overwhelmed

>>5004178
it's a knotted mess and frankly nobody is going to be able to notice if you fuck them up because of how much they can vary.

but they split up to fit around triceps which is one. the overall shape of the scapula creates another because they wrap across the bottom edge. and it's not in this pic but the lats sit on top of their bottom half and they slide out from underneath as the arm moves which creates another of wildly varying position and size.

>>5004216
nah he means the tide pod girl, its not you but you have similar styles

>>5004207
>>5004216
this, somehow your art feels like its natural evolution, if that makes sense

Feeling the form. Studying the old masters helped me a lot.

Whats the best way to "learn" a specific artists style? Im interested in the way a guy draws eyes

>>5004284
>size
wtf?

here the full size
https://archived.moe/ic/thread/4415267/#4418055

>>5004288
Copy his eyes. Look at why his eyes are different. Line thickness. Color. types of strokes etc. bro just like, look at eyes.

>>5004284
I get u senpai, I like the big eyes and "hyperrealism of the rest of the face" also... Sadly it means many trips to the uncanny valley


>>5004282
>tide pod girl
Oof

>>5004299
nice gains tho!

men are hot

Fixed the face. I like this a lot better now. So much fun

>>5004340
wait this was a girl? are those tits? they are too low in her chest

>>5004308
Thank you anon

>>5004340
what's wrong with the right hand??????

>>5004344
FUCK, I knew it. Ill fix that
>>5004346
Its grabbing the handcannon?

>>5004346
* left hand

and here's the superior version

>>5004344
Better?
>>5004353
Whats wrong with the left hand? She has it on her hips with the finger splayed out a bit, with her thumb running up the side of her torso

>>5004367
Or is the palm not supposed to be resting on the torso and should be out in the air? Im confused. I used myself as a ref but im doubting myself

>>5004367
The forearm looks short.

>>5004373
Ill try to redraw that arm again then, Ill see if I can fix it

>>5004352

>>5004382
Oh shit, how did I miss that?
Thanks

>>5004384
also remember the bodies especially females have curves, im no saying you should draw just like this but keep that in mind also that leg is not connected to the hips

What do you think anon? Work in progress

>>5004439
Looks awesome. Good job anon, keep it up.

>>5004441
Thanks!
Should I change something?

>>5004439
I would crab on you for such great work but demotivated

What can I do for improving anon?

>>5004421
Thanks for going the extra mile with this help. I think i struggle the most with legs on this piece. I never had a problem with proportion until now when I tried to draw something that wasnt the average human height.
I think tomorrow Ill try to do a nude sketch to see if I can get the anatomy proper on something 4 1/2 heads tall. I still had a blast drawing this even with all the mistakes I made.

Also, I had the idea that underneath her thick padded jacket you really wouldnt be able to see curves, so I omitted them. But like I said Ill see tomorrow if I can actually draw them. Thanks again

>>5004444
>>5004439
Looks pretty !

>>5004451
lemme see the feet

>>5004451
Looks good, would like to see the character in different poses.

>try to take up half page with drawing
>comes out roughly correct

>try to take up full page with drawing
>looks weird
>fix up pose, perspective, and proportions
>drawing now only takes up half the page

>>5004237
Anyone?

>>5004475
stop being a bitch nigga

>>5004451
the execution is pretty good. if you want to step up your game, I would look into how to make more interesting compositions.

>>5004237
try urban sketching.

>>5004451
Anatomy. Your limbs are boring and ugly. She looks fat too with the baggy shirt. Other than that it looks good. I like your face.

>>5004451
it's ok but very flat. draw in angles that force you to look at the body as a 3d form.

What ratio of fun drawing to grindan do you guys do? how many hours of each per session/day/week?

>>5004582
grindan is fun drawing :)

>>5004583
Dont you have a drive for creativity though? Dont you every think "I wanna draw this crazy thing I've never seen/rarely seen done before, and I have the power to create it" Thats what I find fun. Even if that "crazy thing" is fetish porn or drawing a frog in a tuxedo eating a burger

do i have talent

>>5004582
define grinding

>>5004594
Fundies. Working on construction/anatomy/perspective/gesture/light etc

>>5004594
Drawing the same shit over and over again that will eventually lead to burn out

a nigga like me just wants to draw like my nigga tite kubo, but i'm lost. I don't wanna be like one of those retards that stay shit for years, but i don't know what to start with. Construction? Anatomy? i just wanna draw like my idle, you feel me?

>>5003939
red is not rendering but form mistakes that fuck with perspective
yellow are places that could benefit from stronger shadows showing that they are on table
green is highlight in a place that shouldn't have a highlight
blue is an opportunity to study reflected light

Also some of the edges could use a little bit of softening, they are unnaturally sharp

>>5004611
Try drawing people out of 3D boxes. Itll give you a sense of form and perspection. Thats basically construction. Once you get a good grasp at that you can start with anatomy and learn how to fill in those boxes with human body parts like the ribcage and pelvis

>>5004585
I remember one of the first things I drew when I got my tablet was a gothic lolita holding a hedgehog just because I could.
Looks like shit but it was fun.

I have a problem with playing too many vidya when I could be working on my art skills and things. I do enjoy my art and I wanna get better, but I usually procrastinate and end up not doing anything until it's nearly sundown.

Should I go cold turkey if I genuinely believe vidya is a problem?

>>5004623
Looks pretty cute too.

>>5004623
imagine having the skills to see something in your mind then create it

>>5004624
i mean, as long as you're getting some drawing in, it shouldn't matter right? unless you're drawing for only like 10 mins a day or some shit.

>>5004618
any videos you recommend for this, bro? i'm an autist that has trouble picking up shit from books.

>>5004631
I've been an "artist" for about 7 years, but I've been thinking about getting more active about it since I have goals in mind. It's usually never more than 2 hours a day if I even get that far, so most of my "projects" are limited to just silly animu characters I've made over the years.

I can post an example, but I hear /ic/ can be hella harsh

>>5004635
These two are a good start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ9LRsU8Mfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KfmA6cEpU0

>>5004602
100% grinding then i guess.

>>5004646
Cmon. try drawing something you think is cool. If you constantly grind youre gonna burn out, and burn out hard. Getting good isnt a race, this is a hobby. And even if you want to make it professionally you are CLOSE the point to work nonstop. Slow down, think about something you like. Video game characters, anime, shitty memes, nature, your dog, big fucking titties, literally any idea you have in your brain and draw it. Break up your grinding with these fun explorations into creativity and it'll make your time much more enjoyable. Even if it looks like shit, you had fun, and definitely learned.

>>5004636
Well, if you do enjoy drawing, it shouldn't be too hard to force yourself to draw for a bit more, right? Like maybe instead of 2 hours, you can do 2 and a half hours for a few days then continue to increase it by 30 minutes as you go on.

>>5004651
fuck, I forgot the not in "you are not CLOSE to the point to work nonstop"

>>5004652
It sounds like a good idea anon. I keep getting told that repetition is a good thing to build up, and drawing more often and for longer might help.

I've been trying to get into the basics since I made the mistake of starting with anime shit when I was in high school, and it hasn't quite shown in my work yet, but I wanna believe it will get better someday. I haven't got anything I'm proud enough of to show, so have this Nepeta I did a while ago

>>5004641
thx bro

>>5004636
>but I hear /ic/ can be hella harsh
Getting told your art sucks and work on your fundies is part of the /ic/ etiquette

>>5004651
>>5004653
cringe projecting

>>5004661
Wouldn't be my first time haha. If I stay on this shit, I'll look back and think it sucks anyway, right?

>>5004662
Begone, crab

>>5004624
I kind of felt frustrated with games a month ago, and simply stopped playing, now I'm drawing every day after a drawing drought that lasted years, this might not be for you since you might enjoy vidya more than me and it's probably a source of inspiration for you, but cutting out or reducing game hours might help, unless you have friends to play with (I don't).

>>5003729
I see you, New Master's Academy guy.

>>5004684
I play vidya with my friends, and sometimes brows dumbass youtube videos. It's CORONA-time so I really ain't got any excuse. Maybe my buddies would understand if I have to stop playing.

Dug up one from 2018

fucking wish I could just draw torso and up
I don't care about anything else
I would just keep doing the same coomer pose and it would make me happy
Is there any trick like the ass circle

>>5004624
I had the same problem and eventually I just started losing interest in gaming. It felt useless grinding at a game to get better, to reach a higher rank, or to get fancy gear when I could be doing the same thing and learning a real skill by drawing.

Try just setting a few hours aside at the start of your day or whenever you have free time after work/school to draw. Make sure you do some stuff before you play. You could also look into timeboxing, where you spend a few minutes playing games and them a few minutes drawing

>>5004651
how would you even practice these things beyond the most basic levels without drawing what you like?

>practicing creating a light source
>need something to light
>choose forms you hate
???

Jesus christ twitter is depressing
>try to get follows and likes
>spam tags
>get like 1 or 2 likes if your lucky
>go to compare with others
>nearly EVERYONE is like this
Should I just use instagram and link my Twitter? Is popularity really just dictated by the latest fad fanart?

>>5004715
twitter is garbage for growing as an artist unless you are already big. post your stuff on reddit or pixiv or deviantart or whatever social media is popular with your style of art.
Nobody looks up art with tags on twitter, but if you get upvoted to the top of some subreddit you'll at least get some random people who look into you.

>>5004715
>in a mutual with an acquaintance with 10k+ followers on twitter
>post my art in hopes they'll rt it and give me some of their followerbase
>they don't even like it or even care about it

feels bad man

>>5004729
Hows pixiv work? Just tagging?

>>5004745
>make fanart for guy with 300+ followers
>loves it and shares it
>few of his mutuals with same followage like it too
>don't see more likes besides them
lol who am I kidding I don't care about it because of social anxiety and the attention might be suffocating for me, reason why I never do fanart of popular shit

>>5004765
yeah, you just need to find the name of the tags in japanese. but again making fanart, especially lewd fanart is by far the best way to get people to click on your work

>>5004613
thank you!

Having fun

Did my first drawings from imagination, human heads and they look like horrible trash
Is there a guide on how to draw from imagination?

>>5004819
I cant draw animals from imagination, help
I cant do the shrimp method since I have no tablet to trace the references

>>5004816
Did you redraw my goblin? That looks awesome

>>5004833
Got bored grinding fundies. Thanks for the inspiration pal.

>>5004831
>>5004819
thanks for the help

>>5004819
pyw

>>5004850
This is from reference, I did 3 heads from imagination but failed, they look like shit and it hurts to fail so i cant post them

>>5004843
>gets bored grinding fundies
>practices fundamentals instead

he is ban evading

>>5004864
I was warned

>>5004867
If you want to try drawing from imagination, practice gesture and figure drawing, that's what helped me. Some people take really well to construction, which i personally cannot do, but that seems like something that would help immensely with imagination stuff.

>>5004711
Yo, anon, whoever you are, I appreciate it. I hope we can make it!

Another quick doodle reference failure, why do I fail at everything? There's not a single drawing that I'm happy with and everyone is so much better than me
>>5004871
Gesture? I can't do gesture, let me post something
Figure drawing? isnt that the same

>>5004889
Everyone can do gesture.

>>5004871
>>5004891
Wrong, I failed at gesture a while ago, here's a crit an anon gave me, I can't bring myself to try again

here we go again

>>5004871
Can't do construction, can't do gesture, can't draw from imagination or reference, it's hopeless isn't it?

>>5004892
Why are you always crying?

>>5004892
>>5004896
Your failure is psychosomatic. If you have no interest in seeking medical help, your art journey ends here. Leave this place, please. For your own health

>>5004903
There is no talent, there's no spark in my art, it's hopeless but I always keep on, my deadline is xmas, help me anon.

>>5004902
>>5004903
Give me a reference to draw, something to use as a test to see if there's that spark that comes from potential or talent or if I've wasted some months on this.

>>5004912
Draw this from another angle, let say the camera is slightly above the figure with a narrow lens

>>5004911
What will happen on Christmas? Your ego is so big that you can't deal with a little failure. Drawing is a skill. It will get better with practice. Your problem is that you want to get good quick. Take it easy, have fun.

>>5004915
>>5004914
You guys are trying to reason logically with someone who has a mental defect which prevents him from receiving outward input normally, it's pointless to try and reason with the mentally sick. It is for the best to not respond to him, please.

>>5004914
I can't draw memes, something normal?
>>5004915
I only have until xmas to make something I'm happy with and therefore stick with this, if not the tulpa will decide, every single failure hurts in a away you can't understand. Be honest with me, have I been wasting my time

>>5004919
Post your art and the amount of time you've been drawing
>it's going to be better than my art and you've been drawing for weeks at best

>>5004912
dude just get some help. this is not a problem of your art, it's your mental health. you're just gonna keep repeating this cycle over and over unless you change your mindset. stop constantly comparing yourself

but anyways i think you should probably just stop doing art for a while since it seems you don't even enjoy it for the time being and it causes you a mental crisis every time. there's no shame in dropping something if it isn't for you, I invested thousands of hours into music before I realized I really didn't like it. i dropped art several times in my life too but now that I've come back to it at a different stage in my life I'm having way more fun

>>5004922
>tulpa
I think that you are playing a character.

>>5004933
I don't have time to explain shit, I come here for critique and I'm the only on that gets insulted, this is bullshit.
>>5004928
You want me to give up so there's only two answers, you saw potential and want to crab me (unlikely since I'm shit and probably the worst artist on /beg/ with no improvement whatsoever in months) or you hate me for being talentless. Post your art

i want to know the schizo anon lore though

>>5004624
video game rots the brain

>>5004935
see, you have this persecution complex. i don't hate you or want to crab you, i just want to help you see you stop hating yourself because I was once the exact same. art is supposed to be something that is fun. i doubt you'll ever listen but sincerely, I do hope you get some help for your mental health.

I should be good since I practice fundies every single day, I should be good because I don't give up, I should be good since I actually care but I'm not, others on here are better than me with less time and less practice

Its me the tulpa
Hes dead my babys dead

>>5004937
he is stuck in a loop of performance art, the act of him having schizophrenia and posting here is the art itself

>>5004942
My mental health is fine, once I get my tulpa it will be even better. Can we just talk about my art?

>>5004892
>>5004892
anon... I'm the one who gave you that crit. I feel really bad, I never meant to cripple you like that. I've been drawing for 5 years now and here's a gesture I did like 3 years ago, so this is like 2 years into drawing already. It's taken me a long time to learn and I improve very slowly.

Looking back at it, that was a terrible crit. I just drew over your thing and left you to drown. I won't do anything like that again. Keep doing your gesture, along with cycling through the Vilppu drawing manual, and you'll improve a lot faster than I did. I ignored Vilppu for the longest time and its my biggest regret. Quickest way to learn is to stick to the books and to not strike out on your own

>>5004947
na i want to talk about your tulpa. is that the great entity from beyond?

Here's another one. They were life drawings I submitted to animation school when I was 18. I have absolutely no talent, your gestures are way better than mine, you just gotta keep pushing

>his tulpa didn't manifest
he really is a failure

>my tulpa

>>5004952
Everyone in my life treats me like a failure
>>5004946
I'm more of a person than you, I actually care about art, I don't want to do porn or whatever, I love art.
>>5004948
>>5004950
You're better than me, you were better than me so don't give me your pity.

It's not normal that every single poster is way better than me, that every poster improves like crazy and I'm stuck.

>>5004954
Yikes dude, I felt bad for you but you gotta man up

gesture anon, could you please elaborate on your experiences? like applying to animation school, your thoughts about vilppu, etc?

The time spent posting in and reading /beg/ could be spent drawing and studying
Just Draw

>>5004962
based

>>5004962
More time spent failing
I think I'm going to have to face it by xmas, I'm talentless, I love art but it will never love me back

>>5004967
>>5004949

>>5004958
I can tell you about Vilppu... nobody believes me but he teaches drawing really differently from everyone else. There are principles to construction... overlap, corners, cross-contours, etc. that have to be consciously studied. You can't just tell someone to draw with form, you have to show them the mechanics of drawing with form, and that's what Vilppu focuses on. Go for his video lectures, they're more clear than his book, but his book is sufficient if you're willing to copy every drawing and spend a lot of time on it.

For the longest time I studied mainly Mike Mattesi and Walt Stanchfield, and they don't cover any of the above at all. I improved so slowly because I kept thinking I was past the basics.

>>5004974
shit that sounds like me
i'll vilppu asap then, thanks for the advice

Is there a guide on how to practice the fundamentals?

>>5004974
>>5004977
Must be nice, I tried Vilppu but I lack the spark, oh well another /ic/ resource that fails on me

>>5004451
Try adding line weight to make it look more 3D

>>5004451
I'll never be able to draw like this, it would take like a decade for someone as untalented as me

>>5004962
How do you improve accuracy? I read "fun with pencil" and I generally know where things are, but I can't capture the original features.
>>5004967
While you are whining I drew this picture. Use your time more efficiently anon.

im starting to get requests on pixiv, when can I start asking for money, and where?

>>5005014
>how do you improve x
practice

im learning hot to paint with a tablet, critq?

>>5005014
I find it can be useful to overlay the reference with your drawing and compare where you went wrong and take note of it.
For instance, I've noticed that I tend to put my eyes way too high on faces I'm drawing so I now actively compensate for that and pay attention to it. Same thing with having faces be too short.

>>5004962
Im at work so

>>5005041
how m8y
>>5005053
Thanks for the tip pal. I overlaid the ref. Way off.

I'm a complete beginner trying to learn to paint. Any tips on what I'm missing here. I can see there's something wrong but can't tell what.

I've still got eyebrow and eyelashes to sort out, just waiting for layers to dry.

PS is it realistic to expect to be able to learn to paint a portrait to an adequate level in 3 months?

PPS any recommendations for any good you tubers or patreons I can follow as a course?

Sometimes I truly wonder whether along with the helpful people there don't exist some seething, bitter crabs that shit on /beg/'s out of sheer faggotry
t. lurker who hasn't been crit'd like that but sees good work get unfairly put down too frequently

>>5003716
I feel like I've hit a roadblock again, I dunno where to go aside from just grinding everything but I dont know where I lack most in and what I should improve on first

>>5005053
I can’t stop doing giant eyes and when I compensate I end up with pic related

gimme something non human to paint

>>5005159
car :))))

>>5005140
1. Face to wide
2. Cranium is not big enough.
Work on your proportions.

>>5005140
feel the form

>>5004467
You need to stand further away from your canvas when this happens.
If you don't see the whole picture at a glance when laying down the foundation, you're going to lose your sense of scale and perspective and everything will look wrong in the end.

Did I get anything right? This is my first time trying to deconstruct a body pose. I feel like I don't really understand what's going on with her right rib and arm beneath her boob

>>5004011
Thx man, yeah the perspective work sux I did rush. Trying to do a piece everyday

>>5005163
wala

>>5005174
>rib
How to art books don't really stress this well enough.
Women and men have completely differently shaped ribcages. The ribcages of women are narrower and extend slightly into the waist. Compared to the male counterpart, it's as if they're closed at the bottom, with the poky parts that are almost a hand's length apart from each other in a male instead forming that tight feminine diamond shape.

There's obviously lots of other things you'll need to keep in mind but this one isn't that obvious despite being rather important.

>>5005174
You are learning nothing from doing this. Deconstruct the pose into basic 3D forms, i.e. cylinders for arm and legs and boxes for ribcage and pelvis. Then try and recreate the pose out of those basic 3D forms from other angles.

>>5005193
Thanks for the advice. Yeah I can realize the way I drew it looks quite masculine now. I messed up the top and bottom of the ribs pretty bad

>>5005196
Could you explain more about what I should be doing instead? That’s what I thought I was doing, breaking the pose down into more basic poses although I should have done cylinders for the arms instead of just plain lines.

>>5005205
>breaking the pose down into more basic 3D forms*

My wall of pain from the past week, top to bottom, left to right is my progress. Am I improving anything?

>>5005205
Then you should have no problem drawing the pose from another angle.

not the dude but how does this look

t. started reading hampton last night

>>5005217
>t. started reading hampton last night
Yeah sure looks like it

>>5005215
I would have trouble, I don’t even know how to draw the pose from the front. I’m just asking for clarification about what I’m doing wrong

>>5005217
I’m the other anon that drew the same pose and yours looks a lot better. Can’t give you any helpful advice though, but I’ll be checking out hamptons construction method

My wall of figure drawing pain from the past week, top to bottom, left to right is my progress. Am I improving?

>>5005226
them shoulders be hella wide

i swear im not shitposting

>>5005226
You’re making good progress, there were some glaring mistakes in your first several but you ironed them out. Your latest drawing seems a bit extreme at the waist though

>>5005226
and the references

>>5005231
Thank you, also I know what you mean about the waist but I think the model is like that, looks like perhaps she used a corset for several years? (pic related, you tell me if I'm right)

>>5005226
HMM COOM?

>>5005234
My fucking brain I forgot pic
>>5005228
which ones?

>>5005235
omg I never thought I'd be so happy for coomposter to acknowledge my existence

>>5005237
idk i guess skinny bitches have wider shoulders-to-hip ratios

>>5002917
Drawing number 3! It's supposed to be Asuka in namori style. I failed a lot with this one, and probably spent way too much time doing so. Not very motivating but I will try something else soon.

Bodies are hard. Heads are also hard. But posting things to prevent yourself from turd polishing even more is easy. Thank heaven for small mercies.

Will try to find good references and finally get the shoulder girdle right.

>>5005240
You’re still /beg/ and there’s a ton of glaring issues to address but you’re making progress compared to the first couple attempts, gesture wise it’s still stiff.

>>5005247
I know I know, can't I be happy for 2 seconds for my tiny bit of progress though?? Sheesh

>>5005230
who dat

>>5005247
also (and sorry for multiposting), what are those glaring issues other than stiffness?

>>5005250
dunno
just practicing my anatomy

>>5005251
Too many to count, but the biggest sin is that the figure just lack form and feel flat, assuming you can somewhat feel the form you should try wrapping cross contours over the limbs and muscles to really get a “feel” for it

>>5005267
(Cont) I’ll also suggest studying each limb first in-depth to really get the structure that makes up an arm, leg, torso, head, etc you get the point.

What you think?

>>5005268
Here's an example

>>5005226
i don't believe you. you can't go from blue to the bottom left one in a few days-- you can't. impossible. you're lying.

>>5005269
is nice
feels like a mix between dbz and berserk
although the deltoid should be a little visible from that perspective and by the amount of muscle the character seems to have
see this for example>>5005276

>>5005284
Thanks!

>>5005280
keep in mind that blue is the only one drawn without ref as a proportion study (8 head figure), all the rest are based on real pictures

>>5005267
>>5005268
>>5005276
OK thank you for the material and tips anon

life is not pog

Yay or nay?

pain peko

>>5005333
The space between the two eyes are too wide.
also, overall it look poopy, especially the face.

>>5005336
well can you edit it and fix it?

>>5005333
Every faces that you've drawn look the same.

>>5005340
You've described like 95% of anime artists my guy, and at least I'm trying to draw unlike you fucktard XD.

i'm like 8hrs in. kms
>>5005293
hmmm, okay.

>>5005342
srsly i didn't attach it?

I been trying to just rendering the legs/ass so far but I have no fucking idea what I am doing, I am trying to at least mimic another persons rendering style but I am failing spectacularly. What can i at least try to do to make this at least look less shit in terms trying to shade the forms

>>5005349
Render spheres and cubes before the ass

>>5005341
I do draw though. Just want to tell you to be more adventurous.
Pic attached is about Seath the scaleless fucking the Duke's archive.

>>5005379
you call my drawing poopy but no amount of redlining would fix whatever that mess is.

>>5005379
>more adventurous
That's too adventurous, anon.

>>5005385
I did not call your drawing poopy. You are too sensitive.

>>5004582
>draw what I want to draw
>study what I didn't do well
>draw what I want to draw
>...

I draw 1 hour per day every day, just as a hobby tho

>>5004582
50/50 rule

>>5004451
I want her to kill me and revive me and kill me again.

>>5004624
>Should I go cold turkey if I genuinely believe vidya is a problem?
you and your environment are the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WDLZ8pYrQ

also read atomic habits. it is a great book.

how do you find the patience to shade??

>>5005111
drawmixpaint.com

>>5003874
Eh? You need to finish your damn drawing to the best of your abilities first before asking to be torn apart.

>>5004624
You have plenty of time for both within your day, as long as you're not training to be a pro RTS player or something. I smoke weed and play vidya and still draw about 3 hours a day minimum.
That is unless you have a job though. When I had a job I didn't really have the energy for anything else other than blatant escapism. Thankfully I got lucky and don't have to wagecuck for now

>>5005049
I kinda like it, however I'm not knowledgable enough to give constructive critique.

>>5005459
How finished should a picture be? Can you point to some examples on the thread?

That leg looks a little girly.

>>5003874
Make the lines darker, can't see shit

db study

>>5005579
He didn’t specify, he said >the best of your abilities
And that’s pretty much it

>>5005632
Damn, you can’t greentext like that?

>>5005634
lurk moar

>>5005422
I'll watch the video and get my hands on the book. Thanks anon.

>>5005470
I play shit like ARPG and MMOs. I can't commit to fighting games, but I try those as well. I'm a little stuck between going on the "just draw what you like" thing, or goign super hard on practicing and basic type shit.

>>5005645
The games you play are time sinks, I see the problem now. Perhaps if you make a switch to a different genre, something that has self-contained 30min games and the like (Overwatch, LoL, Dota etc) - that's something that gives you more time and energy afterwards.
The real struggle of a /beg/ is just to find a way to actually draw more. Good luck with your time management anon.

>>5005645
Just quit gayming lol

>>5005645
Could be worse. I used to play the everquest 1999 private server for 10-16 hours a day for a few months till I finally burned out. Fucked up my drawing routine

>>5005556
based holy warrior takes the time to broaden art skills in addition to spiritual fulfilment of slaughtering Allah's enemies

>>5005666
I have all these games sitting unplayed. I might have a spending problem. I need to game MORE.

drew this for /co/ yesterday
power grill with skirt..
I don't know if anything looks off

what the fuck do you do when you've been staring at the same drawing for so long that flipping the canvas doesn't help you see the problems

>>5005728
her left arm (right in picture) seems detached from her shoulder but I'm beg so can't be sure

how bad is it give it to me straight

>>5005732
Post it here and others might help

>>5004914
i can't post my nude studies knowing someone like this might coom to them

>>5005732
flipping the canvas is a meme if it looks right its right

>>5005734
I dun get it
blease explain.
Is it structurally wrong or something like that?

Why cant I get a sprinting pose right? Looks more like shes having a jig

>>5005743
Spark of talent

>>5003303
Check out the latest two posts on my thread, I'm talentless

Any videos or infographics with lineart tips?

>>5005753
looks like it's coming out of her rib cage at boob level

>>5005728
Looks good. With that pose and angle shouldn't you see her left foot somewhere? Also how is the cape attached.

>>5005756
It looks like you focus on the butt more than the back.

Is it OK to exaggerate forms in my drawing to the point that it consciously leaves a 1:1 to my reference, in order to express motion?

>>5005799
Yes to a certain degree, motion is hard to capture on a drawing with those slight exaggerations.

I will make you all suffer along with me.

>>5005790
could you redline it for me or something?
would appreciate it.
>>5005793
yeah.. probably. Didn't want to draw foot to be honest.
Also added a cape later on after I realized it was missing.

>>5005797
>my stupid coombrain is ruining my drawing again

>>5004692
you got the wrong anon, buddy

>>5005805
Jokes on you I like your drawings.

>>5004914
Not the guy you gave this to but actually tried this. Looks shitty, should have used one of those segmented box things to get the proportions right I'm nowhere good enough to draw this freehand.

>>5005805
FUCK YOU
your art is better than mine, you know nothing of suffering

Recommended ppi for a file?

new

>>5005867
>>5005867
>>5005867

you guys don't have to go through any effort, just tell me:
>is this worth my time?
>should i ditch this?
i've spent so much time/effort on this, and i'm just thinking, why am i trying so hard when i know i suck? i'm not going to make something pretty.

>>5005750
i'm in /beg/-- why do you think anything i do is correct, ever?
also flipping the canvas does help and is NOT a meme.
>>5005744
>might
50% of the time it helps 0% of the time

>>5004816
Does she have a Hitler mustache or what?

>>5005803
what about to capture the feel of a pose instead of motion?

>>5005756
You're gonna need someone to break it down for you but it looks like the person with the books is off and really they are falling/walking because they are leaning really really back, and the other person doesn't run like that, like their top body is off from the bottom body just meshed together. I suggest either set up a camera at the same angle and take a pic of yourself so you can get the perspective right. Don't ask me to pmw.

>>5005904
she has both a toothbrush and a soul patch. Also, look at the pencil drawing on the right hand.

>>5004444
I'd say hair. The hair looks like a wig swept to the side or the top-right portion got chopped off by a flying razor.

>>5003716
What do i do to learn to draw something from memory and from different angles?

I know that i should see the shapes as simple organic figures but.... how the hell do i practice that? drawing the object one hundred times from reference, trying to indentify the simple shapes and then try to rotate it? how can i traslate 2d observational drawing from photos into 3d memory stuff. All this shit is magic to me like i can understand how it works but not doing it.

>>5003716