/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

some tell me that Im talentless on /beg/, are they right?

https://youtu.be/0GQjYPWDcmg

>>5003303
Yes, next

>>5003315
https://youtu.be/0GQjYPWDcmg
DAYDREAM

my first drawing months ago, no improvement whatsoever

https://youtu.be/u6lihZAcy4s
>>5003315
why?

>>5003303
very cringe for caring what other people think. only talentless artists rely on strangers validation for their art

>>5003303
Are you the schizo that starts writing weird shit?

Was drawing heads all you can do for four months?

Fun with a pencil

>>5003400
no, that's me

>>5003396
I dont need validation, Im insecure
>>5003400
Had a nice nap, as such Im better right now and since Im better, I can actually answer you, Im sorry about that
>>5003569
No, I do animals but no texture, random objects but fuck up the values, perspective things >>5003325
>>5003602
It didnt work out for us tb h

>>5003605
if you can't get potato heads right, forget about realistic heads

>>5003612
I'll tell you what I'm using, Brent Eviston, Perspective made easy and some course on it, Dynamic Sketching (stuck on week 2)

>>5003334
Right looks like a little stylization, left looks like a youth bird due to the fluffy head

>>5003303
Alright you retards listen up, I'm only gonna say this once. Fist of all, accept that it is 100% ok to be /beg. I fucking mean it.

Secondly, do these two things:

1. Perspective - Read Perspective Made Easy in its entirety and do all the exercises. Next, watch marshall vandruffs perspective course and watch Eric Olson's Perspective course. I mean it. This is fucking crucial.

2. If you wanna know how to draw heads that badly, LEARN THE SKULL. LEARN ITS PROPORTIONS. Use skull sketcher2. Its free software that lets you view a 3d model of the skull. Draw it in all angles and see how it correlates with the proportions of the face. Also you cant draw a skull without PERSPECTIVE. You also cant draw a convincing smile without knowing the muscles of the face, which cant be done either without knowing the skull. Anatomy comes the same way, the skeleton is the key, because with the skeleton and its correct proportions in 3d space, we can insert the muscles into it and with some reference here and there, learn how to attach the muscles where they belong.

Again, I reiterate. PERSPECTIVE PERSPECTIVE PERSPECTIVE
PERSPECTIVE PERSPECTIVE PERSPECTIVE !!

Master it. it is the key to everything and it is the source to all of your /beg/ problems.

>>5003304 is a prime example of this. The proportions of dogshit. Look at the distance between the nose and the brow line. Its shorter than the distance between the browline and the hairline. Another thing we can see is that the distance between the bottom of the nose and the bottom of the chin is also longer. The side plane of the right side(our right) of the forehead should barely be visible or not at all. This is all due to a lack of perspective knowledge.

Read the books I mentioned. Watch the courses.

Bonus. Read scott robertsons how to draw if you wanna learn cars and shit, but if you dont already know perspective really well, you arent going to be able to read that book at all.

>>5003672
TLDR for retards: Read Perspective Made Easy by Ernest Norling. Watch Marshall Vandruff's Perspective Course, Watch Eric Olson's Perspective Couse. Download skull sketcher 2 and draw the skull. Memorize proportions.

>>5003672
What exactly do I gain from the other perspective stuff that I don’t get from Marshall’s course? I’ve watched Marshall’s and don’t rest get what else there is to it. I guess he doesn’t discuss curvilinear/spherical perspective but that’s pretty self explanatory once you understand the stuff he explains

>>5003683
Its basically just more practice, Marshall's course is very basic and so is Perspective made easy. Honestly I would go with Olson's perspective courses since he goes in way more detailed. Thats about the only difference. I do think one course is enough to learn everything about perspective. If you watch Olson's you get more milage. Its a way longer course and it starts with the cone of vision which is extremely important. I would give it a watch.

>>5003693>>5003683

My bad, I meant to say i do NOT think 1 course is enough to learn everything about perspective. Which is why you should give it a shot.

>>5003672
But then what can I draw? Im afraid of drawing from imagination so I have to grind even more, I grind fundies already

>>5003738
Makesure you have fun. Do not burn yourself out. take a 5 minute break after every 30 minutes of fundie grind, that way its not so grindy and you can put in alot of hours a day. If you feel you are burning out, stop. Take a day off or 2. If you dont, you might end up taking moths off, take it from me. Imagination is for fun. Don't ever worry about the result. If you hate it, just tell yourself that the only thing that can happen is that you will get better, and its true. Trust me. In the end, what's the point of it all if its not fun?

>>5003693
But I feel like I really get it from Marshall’s course alone, the concept isn’t that complicated really. I’m not saying it’s always easy to execute but I really can’t think of something I wouldn’t be able to do with what I learned from Marshall’s course, surely it would be better to sink the hours into practice than over 100 hours of video making the same point. Just humour me, what is one example of something I would be able to learn from eriks course that would actually benefit my drawing? Cause it seems more like I’m jut learning from the practice

>>5003771
heres a drawing I did a while ago, can you do this?

On a side note, its not about what you think you can't do. Its about having done perspective drawings so many times that it becomes second nature. The more you practice the better. Olson would not only refresh your perspective memory, it would re enforce it. It would give you more things to do. More drawing means that you will become a better draftsman and later evolve into a better artists.

>>5003780
I don’t think you did because I’ve seen this exact drawing before, but yeah I could definitely do this with the stuff on Marshall’s course, and like you said it’s about practice, not autistically sinking tons of time into video courses for things you already understand

>>5003672
This,fucking this.

I'll go a bit farther: get comfortable drawing primitives, especially circles. Your drawing, ideally, should be as comfortable as your writing, and your strokes should be confident.

One more: stop drawing with your wrists!! Draw with your shoulder! Your goal should be long, confident strokes.

>>5003813
>Your goal should be long, confident strokes.

>>5003815
There we go! Treat your drawings like you would your dick!

>>5003818
I'm into CBT, guess my art will always suck

>>5003813
I already do this and youve been talking with someone else for some minutes
I practice my fundies, circles, lines and now im doing cylinders, i have issues with ellipses

>>5003800
Olson offers a different way of looking at things. Im not saying autistically watch courses, im saying practice with purpose. I dont think doing olson on top of vandruff can cause much harm if done right.

Also, pyw. Im curious to see what you can do with vandruff alone. Time stamp it

>>5003821
KEK, ngmi

ignored on my own thread

>>5003825

My question is, how are you struggling with ellipses if you've been practicing circles? It should be the same motion...

>>5003830
I already told you what to do OP, infact, i revived your dying thread.

>>5003825
I remember an anon told me what to do a long time ago. If you cant draw a perfect square, you cant draw a perfect ellipse. Go study perspective. and practice the proportions of a Freehand ellipse. Only then will you be able to implement them in perspective. I had trouble with that for a long time, but not anymore.

>>5003833
I can place one on space but I cant twist it as to make only half visible, weird motion, and Im not that accurate within bounds
>>5003834
save your tears for another
>>5003842
Theres something else anon and Im concerned over this, take dynamic sketching ok? well, i might be getting better at my lines but when its time to draw i still do chicken scratching
>>5003334
>>5003324
>>5003306

>>5003643
Thats what they are, I was going for this devilman akira thing with the right

>>5003845
> chicken scratching

This is purely confidence. If you have a sketchbook, I'd recommend filling a page with nothing but long, fluid lines. Get used to the pencil.

>>5003865
Additional: a good practice for this is to draw two points on a page, and draw a single line between them. Do mulitples of these.

>>5003865
>>5003868
I don't see a problem with sketchy lines for a sketch, these are all clearly sketches. You throw a bunch out there to find the right one, then clean it up later, that's a method many artists use.

>>5003865
I already do this

>>5003873

The problem in this case is not knowing where the lines you're putting down are going. Most artists who use 'chicken scratch' as an under drawing usually do so as a form of gesture drawing, to put down the idea of their subject without commiting to final linework too early.

It's bad, generally, to encourage drawing shortcuts to folks just beginning to learn to draw.

This is why i recommend getting comfortable with the pencil before anything.

>>5003876

Excellent! Start experimenting with different strokes.

>>5003893
>>5003899
>>5003907THEY'VE been drawing for a week and theyre already BETTER THAN ME

>>5003914
Relax, ive been drawing since 2013 and i didint start getting better until 2018 because i just didint know what the fuck I was doing, read the fucking books I told you about and stop bitching. Like I said, its ok to be /beg/. I spent years in it. No shame anon. Seriously, get to reading, and I mean right now.

>>5003914
...So? That going to stop you? There will always be someone better.

>>5003924
i grind YET I DONT HAVE RESULTS
THOSE DRAWINGS ARE BETTER THAN ANY I POSTED ON HERE
TALENTLESS IM TALENTLESS

>>5003943

...As you are, ngmi.

>>5003948
ARE YOU CALLING ME TALENLESS? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE YOU PIECE OF SHIT

OP, the secret of being good is to convince yourself you are good already even if it's not true yet. Because if you think it then it will become true in reality.
If you are convinced you are bad you will forever be bad.

>>5003943
^ dunno who tf that other dude is but listen. I can tell you are young OP, quit bitching, start drawing. Stop getting mad at generic 4chan bullshit. Why are you getting insulted at something you kept saying to your self. If you came fishing for pointless encouragement for your own self loathing, look elsewhere, this is 4chan. Get to work. faggot.

>>5003954
You call yourself talentless and boohoo pity yourself and therefore it is a fact of reality that you are talentless. You've tricked yourself OP.

>>5003956
SHUT UP YOU PIECE OF TRASH, YOU WANT TO MOCK ME FOR BEING TALENTLESS, 6 MONTHS AND YOURE BETTER THAN ME
IVE BEEN DRAWING FOR 4 MONTHS AND IM NOWHERE CLOSE TO WINNING

>>5003954
My experience is the opposite. I have been drawing for 20 years and didn't actually start getting better until I realized I was bad.

>>5003959
4 moths, kek. come back when you have 7 like me. spent 5 of those not learning a thing. Spent 2 actually getting shit done. Like i said, read the books. Look at the courses, and Shut the fuck up. why are you still here chatting? you know what to do. LEAVE! Time to read!

>>5003963
It's an /x/fag occult secret: the law of attraction.
Yes OP should be perspective and keep drawing and practicing and improving but him calling himself bad and talentless will only keep him down a lot longer. I know this from personal experience.

>>5003963
Mine was that I thought i was good since forever, then I slowly realized how bad I was when I saw how much there was to learn. After 2 years of grinding the right way(aka reading actual books and studing), im willing to say im not /beg/, but im far from /pro/. I'll get there. The reason I know is because I cant stop drawing, Its a part of me. Sooner or later ill be great.

>>5003990
There's the right attitude

>>5003943
>grind
do spaced repetition brainletbro...

>>5003311
hey, it's rian joslong!

>>5003914
I've been drawing for like 20 years and only really got good in the last 3 years.

>>5004150
how old are you

>>5003604
Based pepper ann reference bro

>>5004172
25. I started drawing when I was like 5-6 with no major breaks.

Can't draw from imagination, looks like shit.
Can't draw from reference, looks like shit.
Can't do construction, failed.
Can't do gesture, failed.

yes its all genetics goyim.

>>5003303
>same shizo that posted hed been drawing for 3 months a few weeks ago.

You have a talent for making annoying threats for sure.

>>5004904
>>5004908
I think i can see whats wrong with you now, you know what. yeah, you are completely fucking talentless. You cant draw for shit. You can either:

A: Shut the fuck up already and stop wasting everyone's time and actually read books for drawing

B: Stop bitching because no one else will listen to you and just quit drawing. Since yesterday you have completely wasted my time. I was busy studying the rib cage and I stopped to help you out and tell you what you need to read. I get you must be young but just shut the fuck up already. I don't give a shit whether you actually go draw or go quit and hang yourself. I'm fine with either.

The purpose of the thread was concluded the second that the books were posted. Goodbye.

>>5005705
>I think i can see whats wrong with you now, you know what. yeah, you are completely fucking talentless. You cant draw for shit. You can either:
>
>A: Shut the fuck up already and stop wasting everyone's time and actually read books for drawing
Why would I, if I'm talentless then I would only force it, like this guy >>5004900
he's not meant to be an artist, he forced himself into it
What makes me talentless?