/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

i've never hidden a thread before but with this plague of garbage i might have to start

>>4994273
Why are you distraught, anon? He's right.

who's joe?

I'm a trad artist but can you please stop stirring up shit like this? You're putting the rest of us in a bad light. Both mediums are cool you do you.

>>4994271
I agree.
Ctrl+z makes digital a meme "artform"

Same reason why I would make fun of you for painting traditionally but with a projector or tracing.

>>4994271
In before Cumfarti inevitably starts shouting at everyone.

How does drawing coomer art destroy your art career

>>4994328
But image transfer... Tracing is a fundamental.... P-please go to a fine arts academy... It's a fubdamentals

>>4994339
Silence coomer

>>4994339
Prolapseboy

>>4994340

>>4994328
It really is a big crutch. The only time you should do digital is after a significant amount of time doing trad work.

It also just makes sense. It's way easier to transition from trad to digital than the other way around.

>>4994346
>t's way easier to transition from trad to digital than the other way around
need proof

>>4994271
but digital artists are the ones that get paid OP, there's no jobs for trad unless you're a gallery fag
also you're implying that one cannot do both, only NGMI crabs would put trad and digital artists against each other

>>4994271
He is right you know, the ultimate chad move is to become traditional coomer and build career over it, like Serpieri and Manara. Stop hiding you coom behind the digital screens and put it on the canvases

>>4994355
THIS.

I am going to do both.

>>4994271
once digital artists get handed paint they shit themselves because theyre used to a million shortcuts. Shortcuts are helpful for making an image look nice, but not for making you a more skilled artist

>>4994356
Coomvas

The more time goes on the more digital art will be seen as lame and gay. Its getting to the point where you're going to end up pressing buttons and things will just pop up onto the screen. The entry level is so much lower because of this, and these people are doomed without their grug software, photobashing and fancy computers.

No one wants to see a man controlling a crane lift alot of weight, they want to see how much a human can lift. The further humans are taken out of the equation (AI, machine learning etc) the less the average person will give a fuck, and this is why traditional will always be seen as superior.

Someone like Jung Gi will always be seen as more impressive because of this. Take the trad art pill and give up on digital.

The Digilet fears the TradChad

Im jealous of people who can do both anyway.

i’ve seen the trad thread so i always do the opposite of what tradfags say

>>4994355
Based. I can confirm, I do both.

>>4994328
>Ctrl-z makes digital a meme artform
I can apply this to everything
>Erasers make drawing a meme artform
>Ink is a meme artform because you can just grab a new sheet and trace the old lines
>Paint is a meme artform because you can just use paint remover
>Charcoal is a meme artform because you can just wipe off shit you don't like
>Clay is a meme artform because you can just reshape it infinitely
on and on and on
The only artform this doesn't apply to is stone sculpture because stone is expensive and in limited supply but shit like wood sculpture can just be made out of a fresh log that you can grow.

>>4995037
god digilets are so fucking autistic

>>4995623


Digilets, when will they learn.

DIGITAL-
>Animu pinups
>concept art
>weird semi realism half anime uncanny valley hybrid art that is strangely popular
>only CuteSexyRobutts and Firez?!?!??
>TRACING

TRAD-
>Things of actual value
>PROKO AND LOOMIS
>FABER CASTELL PENCILS SHARPENED TO A FINE POINT
>CHAD mangaka and comic artists
>Captures the beauty of time on a tangible object

One of the main reasons I struggle with digital is the fact that theres à lot of ways to make just one line.
So I'm always astonished when I see digital artists talking about how they suck with a pencil.

tradfags crying and shitting and trying their best to cope

>b-but i make things of value!!
of value to your mom maybe LOL

>>4995643
>FABER CASTELL PENCILS
ew

>>4996931
I was using Derwents pencil, had both H and H2 but they broke off easily while sharpening, I dont know if I got bad luck while getting the pencil but it was just frustrating to work with them

Faber Castell pencils, the made in germany ones have yet to disappoint me honestly. They are perfect in almost every way and with a set of 5 or 6 of them, an eraser and a sharpener it's perfect for outside sketching. Not trying to sound like a commercial here but I really do find them excellent.

>>4994271
Is it time for another insecure tradcuck cope thread again already?

>coomer
lmao, of course it's a Discord tranny too.

>>4994323
Don't worry, anon, everyone knows there's a difference between tradcucks and traditional artists. Traditional artists make art with what they like. Tradcucks make excuses about what they don't understand under the guise that their medium is somehow more important or serious than digital.
Tradtional artists define themselves by what they enjoy, tradcucks define themselves by what they hate.

>>4994328
>muh Ctrl+z
Every time.
FYI, whenever post this shit, it just reveals that you know nothing about digital art.

Why not just do both? To me that's like only working out one arm instead of both when it comes to exercise

>>4997301
>t. never tried both digital and trad

>>4997432
It's not like it's bad to only use one medium that you like, but attacking people that use something else is fucking childish.
What's more, most of these posts are coming from a place of jealousy. They see skilled artists working with digital and they come up with these excuses for why they can't do that too.

>>4997436
>t. doesn't understand what skill is and assumes you can just undo your way to a good piece

go give a beg trad unlimited use of ctrl+z and see how they continue to make terrible beg shit

>>4997441
of course a beg won't be able to ctrl+z his way out of beg, he is a fucking beg, but that doesn't mean dig isn't easier than trad because at least dig you have A LOT MORE TOOLS to fix your mistakes when you're advanced enough compared to trad where you'll be crying if you happen to realize the overall value of your painting was a tad too high

>>4997436
What a stupid thing to say. It's BECAUSE I've used both that I recognize that Ctrl+z isn't half as important as you coping faggots think it is.
Only people who haven't used digital think Ctrl+z is some massively important tool.
What's more, Ctrl+z isn't even the main shortcut for this type of thing in the most popular digital art program.

>>4997444
>when you're advanced enough
yes, this is exactly the point. if you happen to realize the overall value of your painting is too high, then you know what the correct value should be. of course it's easier to fix an issue like this in digital, but if you don't have the skill in the first place it's irrelevant

next you'll be telling me it's quicker to study anatomy by drawing on paper than by carving out of marble with a spoon

>>4997441
not to mention resizing, easier blur, easier gradient, easier color balance, easier moving objects, easier duplicating shit, easier backup of previous versions, how retard of you to think digital is a lot more forgiving than trad, therefore easier, just because it's easier doesn't make it easy, but less hard

>>4997444
Ctrl+z doesn't change your values, dumbfuck. And glazes exist.
You are a shitty artist making excuses for your own lack of skill.

>>4997449
because it's the client who will decide that if you make a living, have fun fixing shit on trad compared to dig

>>4997450
Some things are easier with digital.
Some things are easier with traditional.
This doesn't make one medium artistically or morally superior to another, it just makes them different. Focus on improving and don't worry about what others are using.

>>4997451
>a lot more tools

>>4997450
okay
>>4997459
he's not here to improve, he doesn't understand that fundamental skill is the first and foremost foundation of good art and thinks that resizing and blurring his beg turd is gonna make him an art magician. he literally just wants to cope

>>4997461
Hey retard, what's this reply chain about?

>>4997459
most things are easier on dig, let's not kid ourselves here, there is a reason the industry went mostly digital. and who the fuck cares about which one is better artistically or morally, only begs, normies and retards

>>4997452
yes? what? different tools are suitable for different jobs, if your job requires constant revisions and changes it's easier to do those in digital than it is in traditional. and again, these are TOOLS - they allow you to express your UNDERSTANDING to create a good piece of work. if your understanding is bad, you won't get "the clients" regardless of whether you're using trad or digital.

in fact, in this case you're more likely to get clients with trad because they value abstract and subjectively appealing physical objects

>>4997470
i never said you don't need fundies did i, where the fuck you took that from, all i said is that digital is a lot more forgiving compared to digital thanks to its tools

>>4997476
>compared to trad

Trads mogs Digis to hell.

>>4997468
>most things are easier on dig
Spoken like someone who hasn't worked digitally.

>there is a reason the industry went mostly digital
Because the specific things that the 'industry' needs are easier in digital, ie making copies and iterations on the fly and quickly going from sketch to color. Material cost also plays a role for a professional environment. Again, this doesn't make one medium artistically or morally superior to another, it just makes them different.
So work harder and stop coping.

>>4997476
but the original comment is about digital being a meme artform because of ctrl+z. it's no less a meme artform than trad and fundamentals are required in exactly the same way, it's just a more convenient tool to use for fixing mistakes. it's forgiving in this sense - not in the sense of allowing you to reach the same heights with less knowledge

>>4997483
the original comment can kill himself

>>4997482
i'm a digital fag, my living comes from there, so fuck off retard

>>4997483
Digital is also less convenient than traditional in other regards, but these lazy luddites will never learn that.

>>4997486
A comment can't kill itself.

>>4997492
than deal with it

>>4997496
Deal with what, retard?

>than
It's 'then'.

>>4997492
tell that to (dead) comments, oh wait, you might be a newfag

>>4997503
Nigger, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>4997481
Nobody that spends all their time seething about what other people use to make art 'mogs' anything.

>>4997502
i dont care kill youself too, so what if im a indian trying to live off of traditional, you cant tell me what i can write or do not type, its my keyboard, im the keyboard warrior, give me my you's

>>4997509
>so what if im a indian trying to live off of traditional
>im the keyboard warrior

There's nothing more I could say to humiliate you more than you already have yourself.

>>4997516
tratidional>>>>>>>>>digital i already told you why and you said nothing, i win you loose, your just a coomer

Digis think they're on the same level as this. Even the best Digi painter cant be compared to this, the skill level gap is INSANE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPnQY_Y3ndA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW3yvQr_XvY

>>4997528
>so what if im a indian trying to live off of traditional
>im the keyboard warrior

>>4997530
You aren't on the same level as that either, tradcuck.

>>4997533
racist motheryucker

>>4997533
I don't like racists, even though this is 4chan, so I'll go with traditional being harder to master than digital and maybe even more soulful. But how do I get started with traditional, specially oil painting?

>>4997538
>>4997551
>racist
lmao

>>4994271
What about people who use trad for the base and digital for coloring? Or doing studies in trad and working mostly in digital? Youse a weirdo

this is /cope/ general and there is nothing of value to be found in this thread

>>4997565
btw trad>digi

>>4997569
Perfect example of cope with no value.

>>4994351
you'd have to be a spacker to think otherwise

>>4994271

DIGITAL
>endless possibilities of rendering, conceptualization and showcasing
>Only necessary initial investment is an 80 dorra tablet, the programs, brushes etc. you can pirate
>Easy way of working commisions
>generally safer for your posture/back
TRADITIONAL
>Limited rendering options for pen&paper, for more you have to consoom ((((fabercastell)))) and all sorts of goy brands and products
>Only way to show the artwork to the world is to scan the paper and post it online, but then the premise of trad becomes useless (unless you live in a 10 people tribe).
>Want to work commisions? Gotta hang the drawing in a photo frame (20$ minimum), then drive your ass to the client's house etc
>If you've been taught by Eviston, the guy is smart, but drawing his way will make sure you have virgin back posture in no time.

This is just from my perspective, I've tried both and I still like both, regardless of pros N cons. I will always jump to pen and paper to sketch, conceptualize, exercise, but generally only do finished works digital.

>>4997278
Oh, I haven't tried their graphite yet. I use the MONO (Japanese black ones).
My ew was aimed at their chacoal pencils which I found garbage.

>>4997580
other than when i first started learning the chances of me throwing anything away now are near on 0 unless its damaged by outside influences.

the real choice is, drawing and designing traditionally, scanning then rendering digitally :)

>>4997432
not everyone does cartoon/anime/videogame/comic inspired art which forms the bulk of people who use digital and benefit from it.
>>4997490
only in the most basic excercises. once you move away from sketches traditional becomes exponentially more challenging.

>>4997833
>challenging
no
>time consuming
yes

Just kill yourself already, Brian, we know it's you.

>>4997729
Did this today, HB and 4B over. A little study of a statue in my town

>>4997854
if I post from phone either it gets rotated, file too large or it has some huge proportions, so sorry about that

>>4997835
one can just confidently claim it is a matter of taking more time unless one does it for himself. thus preparing a large canvas or panel is simply a matter of time to one who has not done so to the best standards, as if there are no material consequences to wrongful execution. nor is every act referential to a loss of time, but for example some are a matter spacial limitation. nor is it only a matter of time loss when working with something irreversible and, unless one has applied skill and judgment in preparation, changeable. i suppose the same kind could claim that there are no additional challenges to creating a titian other than it took more time, although they would not know where to start.

>he is literally bragging about canvas preparation now

Ask any working professional if working traditionally is worthwhile and they will all say yes. In fact, most, if not all, will say you shouldn't touch digital until you've had a lot of experience with traditional.

The reason for that is because there are things that you get a feel for doing with traditional that you simply don't get if you have only worked with digital.

For example, color mixing directly on the canvas improves both value and color control. You don't get that doing digital.

Additionally, doing trad forces you to think hard before every mark you make, because mistakes are harder to fix.

All this trad works makes transfering over to digital WAY easier than the other way around.

>>4998156
Wow, what a load of unfounded horseshit.

>>4998156
Okay, crabby patty.

Digifags will keep saying trad isn't harder while have never touched a pencil, so many zoomers in here now

>>4998375
>this is what tradcucks actually believe

>>4998419
It's true, so beat it zoomer coomer.

To give digital it's credit, it has not made Art easier. It's simply made it more accessible and less intimidating. That having been said, I do think Trad is harder to do; everything is a manual process in trad that has to be done with intention. Digital, on the other hand, can do a lot of the work for you with regards to things like how paints blend, and how pen pressure is interpreted.

>>4998452
Kill yourself, Discord tranny.

>>4998507
Wow, nice comeback.

>>4998591
It's not a comeback, it's a command.
Post Discord tranny memes and you'll get told to 40% yourself.

>>4998610
Dude, you're arguing over the internet. Grow up.

Maybe pyw?

>>4998638
And what are you doing?

maybe the sculptors whomst say that digital sculpting is easier are also just "coping"

There has been no good art since secularism became the norm.

Kill yourself, Brian.

>>4997854
>>4997867
Looks nice anon. Do you prefer textured paper over smooth one?

>>5000776
dude like 70% of the world believes in some sort of religion, it's the the main reason we are fucked!

>>4994776
Does blue light really damage your eyes?

I would be so fucking embarrassed to be a digilet only, i remember the cucks in the life drawing classes had no clue what the fuck to do. Do both

>>4994328
so if I debind that shortcut digital is no longer a meme?

>>5002082
No, of course not. The light from a computer monitor isn't blue either.
It's just superstitious tradcucks coping with their own inferiority.

>>4994776
>>4995623
>>4995632
>>5002446
>digilet
You know this insult makes no sense, right?
A ____let is someone who has or is a small ____. Calling someone a 'digilet' implies they have a 'small digital', which is complete gibberish. If anything, the only people that could be called 'digilets' are the tradcucks who don't know the first thing about digital.
If you're going to be a meme spouting parrot, at least learn how the meme works.

>>4994544
>The more time goes on the more digital art will be seen as lame and gay. Its getting to the point where you're going to end up pressing buttons and things will just pop up onto the screen.

Correct, AI will kill all digital art fields. Ppl will eventually be able to request "Alexa, please email me a picture of X in an X style, with the following required parameters" and it will. It's probably only 6 years away.

Btfo by robots

>>5002657
>this is what tradcucks actually believe

Trad is for classically trained and educated boomers

Digital is for modern poor uneducated zoomers

>>5001962
I do. It is more fun to me personally and it bites back, it's pretty rewarding compared to the shiny smooth copy paper type of paper

>>5006244
hardly any trad are classical or educated.

but there are no educated or classical digis, because they are all consoomers by default.

>>4994271
Fuck, i want to draw Digital so bad, but it feels so uncomfortable and unintuitive, idk
It is easier for me to draw any trad medium than digital.

Kill yourself, Brian.