/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4986403
i wish i have someone like that in my life

>>4986411
you are supposed to be that person.. its okay to relax for a bit etc but you have to have disciprine

rep0stan because last post on the old thread.
I think it cleaned up nicely but it took me way too long to get just this far.,

>>4986417
Fuck off to the fag general

Is it best to follow a learning guide? Or should I just draw and focus on picking out mistakes I make in drawing and slowly fixing them?

I'm trying to do better composition, am I doing it right? can I change the size and angle of the golden ration?

Nearly 2 weeks, and this is all I've learned to do. I can't do Axises on a Sphere for shit.

help

>>4986438
What the fuck

>>4986451
This may sound harsh, but are you even trying?
Your lines are wobbly and stiff, focus on making them better so that you properly convey the form of the ball. Practice straight lines, diagonal lines, curved lines, ellipses etc. Then in addition to that, practice placing the axis on the ball and the loomis faces (I assume that's what you are doing)

>>4986423
dont be toxic nigga

>>4986461
Ive been trying for around 2-3 hours a day bruv, these are the best circles I can do. If I go any faster to try to get smoother lines they just lose the form. I'm trying but its not improving very much. As for the Axis, I might be spatially retarded or something, I'm thinking of just buying a ball and drawing Axises on that and using it for reference

so tracing is fine so long as you don't get caught doing it?

>>4986466
Try an be looser with your lines, they don't have to be perfect. I'm terrible at drawing circles and ellipses especially, but they don't have to be perfect, just close enough. Ghost your lines if you feel it helps.
I only have one picture to go off of but it feels like I can see the huge tension in your arm when you draw those circles in your picture.
Also, if you've been doing this for two weeks already, move on to something else if you feel like you are stuck. Draw from reference, copy a photo, draw some random shit from imagination. Don't get stuck doing Loomis exercises if you feel frustrated or if you feel like it doesn't work for you right now. Return to it later on.

>>4986481
When I get annoyed with it, I draw bits of faces from references but its never that good, mostly eyes and mouths.

>>4986451
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/lined-sphere-aa19bbaf6db94bfd93a40af6c0413d08

>>4986453
saw this in prev thread, disregarding the reference it actually looks good on its own, work on having more hard edges

>>4986481
Like basically this has been what Ive been doing for a long ass time and I just dont see improvement.

does /intermediate/ still exist?

>>4986451
>>4986583
Why do you punish yourself with phone drawing.

>>4986583
a+ meme

>>4986593
yes, you're posting there

>>4986583
What are you drawing with? A mouse + paint? A phone?
I'd discourage you from using either of these. If you don't have a tablet, use pen and paper.
If you have a tablet, get proper software for it.

Disclaimer: You CAN make good art with a mouse & microsoft paint, but I'd argue it's far harder than it needs to be. Don't handicap yourself by forcing yourself to go digital if you don't have the tools for it.

I need to be bolder with my colour choices I think, and also to just learn how to render in greater detail.

>>4986453

>>4986648
>in greater detail
you didn't really render anything

>>4986659
he did, he was just very timid about it.

>>4986659
Yeah that's fair, I thought about starting it but I still don't know how this program works so that's kinda stopping me from it at the moment. If I was good enough I could render it all on a single layer, but I don't really understand how to blend properly with the default brushes and it just turns into a major mess of hard edges that are somehow jarring but also undefined at the same time.

>>4986600
Not a phone
>>4986616
Dont get this
>>4986640
A wacom tablet, using Gimp cause its free

>>4986695
https://krita.org/en/download/krita-desktop/

>>4986695
you claimed to have spent ~40 hours trying to draw circles and ellipses on some worthless setup instead of grabbing a pencil and drawing some things.
either you're memeing or you've been been memed by an s tier crab.

Any mistakes I missed?

Looks even better than I imagined it to be. Feels good when practice pays off. Now shading, which is always hardest part for me. How do you usually shade and color your artwork, /ic/?

>>4986726
what are you using? how long have you been doing skulls?

>>4986726
Nice.

>>4986731
I have been drawing for 2 years, I haven't drawn a skull in like 1.5 years, also a fiber castel color pencil, here's a pic of the last skull I did

>>4986695
I wouldn't use gimp.

>>4986709

>>4986740
Here's a better pic

kritas new charcoal brushes are pretty nice

>>4986469
Tracing is a serious crutch down the line , but if thats what it takes to get your art off the ground then do it.

This is fun
I think his hands are retarded, how should I fix it?
Should I put a gun on his back?

>>4986788
It looks weird how you've placed the gift. The lines meeting up with the side of his abdomen make it look like the gift are the hips and legs.

>>4986747
This isn't beg. The proportions are off, but its still /int/

>>4986438
>you can't just put the fibonacci spiral on everything.jpg

loomis (creative illustration, I think) is one of the best resources on composition out there, weird that he doesn't get recommended for this. it makes me think that most people here never actually read it. also search dynamic symmetry, it is a good way to come up with compositions.

but most importantly be aware of people making too strong claims like "the eye of the view will do this" or "that will make people feel this way", because it is mostly bullshit.

>>4986793
Shit, youre kinda right.
Im gonna redraw the whole lower half.

>>4986469
as long you have the legal right to use it. like stock photos or 3d models that you own, or creative commons stuff.

>>4986788
Ushankas are usually made to fully cover bottom of the jaw

From imagination. I know i need to work on males and anatomy in general.
Otherwise im kinda happy with my current level.

>>4986796
ok thanks

I did heavily rely on the ref though

When does it become fun?

>>4986842
When you start tracing and living on the edge, mad gainz while getting excited of not knowing when you'll get caught

>>4986842
Should be the second you put pen to paper, if it isn't then stop while you haven't sunk much time into it.

>>4986816
female anatomy is also kinda fucky, spine looks too bent, and maybe curving too high on the torso

>>4986850
If he draws coomshit and gets caught on tracing nobody will give a single fuck as long as it looks decent enough

Yeah this looks way better, thanks >>4986793

Okay inspired by the anon that correctly pointed out I didn't render, I tried to do it here a bit. I started from the line drawing and painted it from scratch since that was easier than trying to correct the earlier pic. I'll do the clothes later, I need a break now.
Still not pushed enough I don't think, but better than it was (I hope)
Now that I look at it zoomed out the individual strokes don't show up as much as I'd hoped but oh well, better luck next time.

t.
>>4986648

>>4986881
Actually Ill make the hands bigger, they look small

>>4986888
his forearms look kinda small. like from his elbow to his wrist is half as long as the length between his shoulder and elbow

>>4986893
So I should just put the elbow up high and bend the arm a little bit more?

>>4986887
That looks nice

is it too big? no, i dont think so

>>4986947
Your face features are poor.

i just realized the gameplay loop of drawing is:
>grind fundies
>test fundies to create your own art
>get critique for its flaws
>go back to grinding fundies + critique issues
>repeat
bros wtf why didn't i listen

My most recent sketch, I wasn't using a refrence but I'm starting to think I should've. Help

3rd times the charm?

A bretonnian ogre. He was a mere farmer and recently drafted, and a pikeman as size scale.
What do you think? how do I colour this while retraining the sketch details?

Help me.

>>4987026
Most people turn the opacity of their lineart layer lower and colour on a layer below it. Also nice cockchain

When doing the upside-down Igor Stravinsky exercise, am I meant to do it very deliberately, or blaze through it to see the discontinuity immediately?
What I'm doing now is building construction lines to roughly approximate the guy's pose in the right position.

>>4987040
You already failed it then.

>>4987041
Well, I don't see any other decent way to look and check that every line is where it should be

>>4987043
You don't.

>>4987040
read the instructions again

>>4987040
if you're doing that meme exercise then you already fucked up

>>4986904
>>4987021
Not sure it's an issue with the forearms being too short specifically, but it could just be the foreshortening. Depends what he's doing with the gift. Is he holding onto it against his stomach or holding it out to give to someone?

>>4987052
Hes supposed to be holding it out and giving it to someone. Struggling to figure it out if it looks right or not

>>4986933
just keep trying and keep reading and watching

>found out about custom photoshop brushes that let you instantly draw mountains, clouds, grass, fur, etc
is this cheating?

>>4987080
Depends. You can create these brushes yourself and it 100% is not "cheating".
You could be trying to rapidly paint a map and don't care about originality, just the composition, so it doesn't really matter.

Sorry for posting here but all other threads seem dead and there's some really fucking good anons coming here now and then. Can someone give me a critique or some tips to push me in the right direction? I don't really feel like i know what I'm doing.

>>4987089
lmfao thread dies as soon as i post

>>4986816
the man is a manlet

>>4987089
I feel your pain. Sorry, can't give you much advice since I myself have no idea what the fuck am I doing.

>>4987103
neat art by the way

>>4986996
>get critique
relying on unpaid randos to point out flaws is the path of the perma/beg/. you need to learn how to analyze and tear apart your own drawings, it's literally the most important skill for self teaching.

Is there a site similar to Danbooru but for pose references? Where you can search for particular ones with tags and whatnot.

>>4987066
It does look better, but something still looks off.

ehh wth
supposed to be mary magdalene

>>4987066
>>4987021
There's no reason to not use a reference when you're drawing something that you don't really know how it looks. You can't imitate reality if you're not working from it. After the initial sketch try to find reference for all the specific things that you want to induce in your final image. Find a reference for the pose, find a reference for the hands, find a reference for the clothing folds, find a reference for the face and helmet, find a reference for the Imperial guard uniform you're going for. I recommend using your phone and a mirror for pose reference and hands (especially hands since a specific reference for the thing you're trying to do might be hard to find). You're well on the way bud.

>>4987030
The anatomy is pretty alright, the pose is just stiff and a little unnatural for the action. Go and lift up something heavy like that; how does your body look? What kind of motion do you see/feel from it? How does the weight affect your arms? Then think of the action itself - what would the body look like after repeating the motion a few times?

You don't have to exaggerate the pose like Tom's here, but it gives a good idea of how the body sits before making a striking action.

>>4987140
I just realized something.
I did exactly what you said with using yourself as a reference (I took a picture of myself wearing a thick sweater holding a box. I also used some old warhammer art for the uniform/helmet as reference) but I held the box against my thorax instead of holding it out when I took the photo, so I technically drew it right as to the reference but I accidently made the reference wrong.
I think Im retarded. Im just gonna finish doing a the colour and then see how it looks

>>4984423
>>4984878
>yes its kindred, Source is @ArbuzBudesh
Thanks!
>I do not have an artist handle
Hopefully you're gonna make one in the future

>>4987150
Don't start rendering before the sketch makes sense. Put work into making it look good and you drawn everything according to reference to the best of your ability. As you're in photoshop you can easily make a copy and do the adjustments you need. Rendering and fixing as you go makes it harder which isn't something you want as a beginner. The more systematic your work process becomes the more consistent your results will be.

>>4987169
Im gonna take a break and try that

>>4987183
Good luck man!

>>4987109
thanks :)

Save me someone please

Some quick (2 min) animal sketches. The dog is the worst one and the cheetah has a head that is too big, but otherwise I'm happy with them.

When I do figure drawing should I aim to copy the drawing as accurately as possible or should I aim to give it more gesture and make it more dynamic??

>>4987283
It's very common for gesture drawings of people be 30-60 seconds long. There is no time for detail, so only the dynamic comes out.

depends on what you want to achieve. I usually try later approach even if it's more difficult to do

>>4987295 meant for >>4987283

>>4987283
if you can't copy accurately, work on that. if you can, then you're free to start fucking around with it.

>>4987089
Nice composition with the moon, wolf, and eyes in the forest on the right and the village to the left. Can't really give thorough critique since I'm not amazing either.
I suppose I wouldn't mind seeing a dark night sky filled with more stars to really make the snow in the foreground pop out more and push the idea that we're in some rural location. I guess I also wouldn't mind the girl looking back with some dread on her face to push the viewer's eyes towards where all the eyes are. I'm not sure if she's holding on for dear life or passed out right now.

I dunno, this is all just stuff coming to mind right now for me. Can't say it's quite too helpful.

It ain't much but it's honest work.

>>4987423
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>4987423
it's going the wrong way

When I see good art it seems as if the hands are done almost flawlessly and they "flow" like they were made with little effort in a few lines

Is there a ton of construction hidden beneath that or do you have to get good at making them fast in order for them to look more natural?

Drew this no ref. Sorry if the lighting is shitty, cant really tell. (Phone screen is broken lmao)

>>4986825
Self critique of what I notice
Accuracy of my lines is lacking, I can't into values but I haven't practiced that at all so it's natural, I messed up her mouth, was able to deconstruct the left eye in shapes but the other one was too complex, one was in shadow so it was easier, again, her lips, lips are very hard to do, nose might be off, I lost my mark and forgot, the whole drawing is off but I also miscalculated the distance on her right side

>>4986403
I know this question has probably been asked a stupidly high amount of times, but which figure drawing courses are the best and which should I start out with?

>>4987453
But I think I'm getting cheekbones

>>4987453
Oh I just noticed, I messed up her lips pretty badly, wasn't thinking on shapes.

>>4987456
read the sticky anon. loomis vilppu bridgeman hampton

>>4986816
where are his ribs

Doing a watercolor a day, just finished this one. I don't know what it is but every time I try to paint anything with more organic complexity (my last one >>4985686 I really liked but it was pretty simple) it comes out feeling one-dimensional and wrong. Should I just focus on drawing a bit maybe? I mostly just rough outline from imagination.

she looks like she hates me
also how do i hair

>>4986796
decent portraits can be beg. I was a pretty decent copymachine before I actually started learning properly and my drawings from imagination were dog shit.

>>4986466
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/tablesofellipses
or look at dynamic sketching in the video thread if you don't trust drawabox

Painting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Cat

I tried. Does anyone else think that shading is hardest part to master? Process just sucked all life from me.

i reinstalled windows and lost my favourite brush, im fucking sad it was so perfect

>>4987014
It's good, draw it again with reference.

>>4987554
then how do you know when you are /int/

Alright. I ended up redrawing the entire arm and neck area. Paid close attention to my reference, and atleast to my eyes it doesnt look, I suppose, "anatomically retard". Did some basic colouring with some shadows because I still suck really badly at even 3 tone rendering. Also gave it a background, which was my first time in my life painting in a somewhat traditional way. I intend to use this as a Christmas Card for a /tg/ secret santa. Is it passable? Im just hoping its not going to make the guy cringe when he opens his package

>>4987554
>my drawings from imagination were dog shit
TIL proko is /beg/

i really like nightcrawler, might ink it, but tte paper is at its limit, i erased 2 much

i made this with crayons, how'd i do?
>inb4 you must be 18 to post here

Butter up my biscuit hole and tell me where I fucked up lads

>>4987776
I like it.

>>4987776
Neat

>>4987776
Pic related was the model btw

>>4987798
Head and hands on your piece looks smaller in comparison to this.

>>4987776
the cross looks like it's stuck to his robe
other than that it looks fucking metal 8/10

>>4986453

>>4987816
holy shit. that is awesome

>>4986453
lower your subsurface scattering slider

>>4986403

>>4987723
1. the face looks like it was randomly generated, draw a lot more heads from ref and from imagination
2. salad fingers, study some hand anatomy and learn some simplifications
3. perspective is wonk, we're looking down at the box but straight on at the bow, the forearms aren't foreshortened properly so they look like stumps, the background doesn't follow the same perspective as the figure is attempting to. where is the camera? is it tilted up or down? draw more boxes in perspective, study construction, this will solve all of these issues with time
4. linework is inconsistent and sometimes straight up chicken-scratchy, just draw more
5. paint bucket colours but some very obvious texture brushing sticking out on top like a sore thumb, there's just no consistent style here. using textures like this is always very kitschy and screams beginner digital, but it's something you fix over time by painting more and starting to understand light and colour and material rendering. do lots of still lives and lighting studies
6. there are no values and no value structure at all, everything is dictated purely by the fill colour and the contrast is all over the place, why are the trees so dark when they're receeding into the background and all the more so considering there's a snowstorm or something where they should be victim to much more atmospheric perspective, etc. etc. again still lives, photo studies, master studies, and lots of thoughtful practice

i cba to try and fix this specific piece but if you wish to keep progressing there are some avenues for you to begin with, good luck anon san

>getting decent at anatomy and characters
>attempt backgrounds

>>4987138
nice tits

Why is so difficult for me draw from reference? Everytime I go to draw a piece, and I want to use a reference, theres this voice in my head that says "Nah, don't do that. Its cheating". or "Nah, dont bother its a waste of time" or some other stupid shit like that. Its starting to demoralized me

>>4987851
why are you asking us why it's hard for you to deal with your own mental blocks which you already know are stupid? just fucking do it instead of complaining about it

>>4987854
>what is venting

>>4987827
Thanks for this
What does simplification mean in this context? What is still lives?
>the face looks like it was randomly generated
I have no idea what this means

>>4987856
>use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice

>>4987869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyESzpnjPSA

>>4987423
make the first balloon the top most. so it is easier to know from which side we are suppose to start.

no one ever replies to my posts, no constructive criticism no destructive criticism even a mere "kys"

>>4987842
trees are literally impossible to draw and it's bullshit.

I've been doing some 3 minute figure drawings.
Would this help me improve?
Should I spend more than 3 minutes on each figure?
Am I feeling the form???

>>4987889
This is the funniest sentence I've read all minute.

did you ever tried changing your environment to make you draw more? did it work? what you did?

>>4987863
simplification ties in with construction, it's about taking anatomy and simplifying it into a less complex three dimensional form that you can draw more easily. you can do it with boxes or cylinders or any form you see fit. learn the anatomy, simplify it into a useful three dimensional approximation, and then use that to construct your imaginative anatomy - draw the simplification (box form, cylindrical form, etc.) first, and then build the details on top. this allows you to incorporate perspective more easily, once you know that, and prevents you from just making a weird scribbly flat representation of something, like the hands here. almost any book will teach you this, loomis is the go-to example

>face auto generated
i had no idea what it meant when i wrote it either. basically it's so painfully generic and flat that it looks like it came from one of those character generators where you pick out the features and essentially create an avatar, except those are cleaner because they usually have better linework and nicer rendering along with perfect symmetry. it's more or less a symbol drawn face, and to get out of it you need to observe and attempt to create a wide variety of different faces from different angles, alongside construction and lighting and all the other good things that make a portrait work. it's a hell of a lot of work but there it is, do with it what you will

>>4987874
my art advice for you is to literally just kill yourself

>>4987908

>>4987863
>>4987896
forgot still life

it's the classic art course go-to, if you don't happen to have a cast of a greek bust on hand just set up some crap, apples and cans and teapots and bowls, and shine a lamp on it and paint it

it's an exercise that allows you practice your observation skills and accuracy, the construction of the forms (this spraycan is actually a cylinder! and the bowl is almost like a hemisphere! so i can try to draw a cylinder here and turn it into a spraycan by building on the cylinder, etc) the perspective of the objects, natural light and colour, values in terms of picking out shadow areas and highlights, brushwork, etc etc. it's a good exercise for the artist who uses his brain because all of these concepts will be applied in an original piece, so observing how they work in real life and applying those ideas to your original piece is a+

at the level i've described it it may still be too complex, but there's still no harm in doing it even if you've never picked up a brush in your life

>>4987899
eat my farts you filthy crab

heavy ref usage. attempted indicating tone with hatching, but desu i feel like i was starting to guess towards the end, especially with the cloth folds.

>>4987919
The big problem im having with colour is that I have a lot of experience with mini painting. I know about colour theory, highlighting, shading, wet blending, shifting hues, mixing paint, all that, but I dont know how to translate that to digital art.
Like I knew the background was fucked and wrong, and I felt like If I had a paintbrush I could make the idea work better.
is there some kind of tutorial I could check out or so? Or do I just have to keep messing with photoshop and hope it clicks eventually

>>4987930
you must really be new if you think me telling you to stop crying and draw from reference is crabbing. i don't even know why i'm dignifying this horseshit with a response, please continue and see how far it gets you with art

>>4987931
post ref

>>4987931
>>4987942
clean ref

>>4987937
the work you posted certainly doesn't show it and it's not because of the medium. by mini painting i assume you mean colouring little warhammer figures and such, but there the work of the form, anatomy, perspective and lighting is done for you - you just have to put a colour on top. when it comes to drawing, you have to build that form yourself through your drawing, otherwise it will be nothing more than flat colour on flat lines.

i'm sorry boss but there's no tutorial to fix it, you just have a lot of learning and even more practice to do

>>4987938
struck a nerve, didnt I? faggot fucking retard

>>4987842
just another thing to study

>>4987947
what nerve do you think you struck? like i said keep crying

>>4986730
>>4987108
>>4987593
Just wanted to give you the attention you deserve from a begger like me. Since I see you everywhere.

>>4987946
Oh well

>>4987952
my guess is it would be the dorsal nerve of the penis because youre such a raging faggot the only logical excuse is that you have no dick.

Im a complete /beg/, but my goal is to draw in a semi-realistic style. And Ive been conflicted with trying to break symbol drawing but also try to develop a semi-realistic style. Whats the best thing I should do here? Just break the symbol drawing? How do I even break it? I feel like if I directly copy an image I just end up incorporating symbols into if even though Im not seeing them on the original piece.

>>4987823
update

>>4987989
Yes break it and fix your observation and then start working on construction and drawing convincing form from imagination

>>4987992
>how
Loomis, studies, if you're incorporating symbols out of habit then do the study side by side with the ref and then literally overlay the reference to see where you're off base, use this to figure out what anatomy you need to learn and what parts you need to study with more careful observation, grind grind grind, do original work and see how it compares to your studies and other references, adjust course and study more, draw draw draw

>>4987996
Thanks. I feel the worse part about studying is that you dont really get to draw artistically. The grinding is numbing

>>4988013
It is but it has a purpose, if you want to draw "artistically" in a semi realistic way at the skill level you want then you'll to slog your way there. It won't happen by itself so if you want to make it happen you have to suck it up and grind. You should be doing "artistic" work all the time alongside your studies to implement what you're learning, so it shouldn't be constant misery and it will have its peaks and troughs

Why can I draw everything EXCEPT humans?

>>4987887
this one looks like something 4th grader would draw. post more work.

im very proud of this did it in like 5 minutes without erasing

>>4988096
You need to level up and put your skill points to human anatomy and gesture first before learning to draw humans anon.

>>4988244
full drawing is above
>>4987731

>>4988324
make on working the lines more defined

your chicken scratching too much

>>4988256
It's a very cute lizard.

>>4988333
its a sketch, my inkings are much cleaner

>>4988324
Boring pose. How long have you been drawing?

>>4988333

Is it worth getting used to an easel if I'm still pretty new to drawing? I'm finding it awkward again and I miss being able to rotate my page freely, but I'm guessing in the long run it might be better? Mine is at a pretty steep angle compared to some I've seen though, it's about 45 degrees and sits on my desk.

>>4988337
>>4988339
Yeah, definitely better

>>4988338
ref was a boring pose, thats the point

>>4988342
if its sarcasm i didnt get it xD

>>4988338
(forgot to answer) about 1 year

>>4988340
Like the difference between my line stability is huge. I can't draw ellipses at all on the easel.

>>4988355
that's one very buff woman (it's actually woman, right? I mean eyelashes, lips, long hair... Head just looks attached to male body)

>>4988364
lmao yeah, i wanted to practice back muscles but i over did it wih the muscle definition, im still triying to find a "realistic" middle ground for buff women, and not just average skinny women with a bodybuilder 6 pack attached (kinda like pic related )

>>4988364
heres a more femenine version

>>4987423
I love it anon. It's cute. Would you mind if I saved it?

Anyone know what anatomical parts cause pic related and how?

>>4988379
glutes and quads

>>4988369
this is very good for 1 year of experience. I have 3-4 years and my shit still looks borderline deviantart tier. keep it up

>>4988387
thmx man :)

I'm a complete beginner and wondering if I need the extra materials for drawing on the right side of the brain or if I can just do it with pencil and paper. Also if there is better places to start I would like to know.

>>4988379
it's a part of the femur that's close to the skin, all muscles attach around it, but don't go on top
so it makes a crease

>>4988450
no pencil and paper is all you need went getting started. If you look at the artbook thread there is a mega for beginners. If videos course are your thing there is a course thread you can download and watch. I watch the vipplu videos went I got started and I find that it helped.

>>4988500
Thanks for the response fren I started reading the book and all the extra stuff she reccomends makes it kind of intimidating.

>>4987445
I believe that once that you do it enough times you can do it without construction.

and done!

Next maybe ina or Gura!
i don't watch ina though....

>>4987842
try urban sketching. you at least learn to fake it.

>>4987887
kys!

are you happy now?

but seriously, try asking questions. you tend to get more useful replies this way.

>>4987908
the face is cute, but the body is fucked up. try doing cross contour lines and you will see what I mean.

First time shading. I can't do it with large brushes, so I just use the small brush to wiggle around. Are there more efficient methods to learn shading?

Ugh, I don't have any fucking friends.

Final draft. Need to level up my shading skills

>>4987953
Thanks, even if your post is basically just (You). Still better than nothing.

Doing Peter Han’s course

How can I improve my specular and shadow placement?

>>4988564
Yes, break the apple down into simple planes like it’s a low poly video game, and apply the correct value to each plane. You are working in a granular, slow “bitty” process that will make life much harder down the line, trust me. Simplify. See planes. See shapes.

>>4988612
Thank you pal. Will post another apple after finishing the course. Good day.

Early morning coomer sketch. Please somebody tell me I’m GMI but I have to actually start finishing things, first. Does this sketching meaning anything? Is it grinding fundies? Practice? Or just an aborted nothing?
Where does god live?

Anybody else wish they started drawing when they were younger. Children are better than me.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHYV3hBphzf/?igshid=1vxwz0q1xfvao

>>4988627
It's easier for kids cause they don't suffer as much looking at their bad drawings. Most people who are "talented" are just people who never hit that point as a young teen where they started cringing looking at their art, so by the time they have a proper critical eye they've already done the hard yards.

>>498863
>It's easier for kids cause they don't suffer as much looking at their bad drawings.
What?
I don't understand.

>>4988259
I'm trying to learn those things but I cant even do the studies properly. The other students' studies look like fucking masterpieces compared to mine.

So what do I do???

>>4988643
When kid don't care when draw look bad

>>4988638
Not true. I stopped drawing at 12 because my friends ridiculed me every time I tried to draw something.

>>4988651
Why were they making fun of you for drawing?
What were you drawing?

>>4988651
I had a similar situation but my friends would vandalize my drawings when I wasnt looking for literal seconds

>>4988661
Same as them: superhero shit and star wars shit like any teenager in 2007 would be doing.

>>4988643
When you draw something and it looks bad and it demotivates you, kids don't get that. They're just having fun being creative.

WIP

>>4988543
thanx man, i always know i can count on, the good ole mongolian basket weaving public meeting, pd is her expression akward?

>>4988697
yes
her (?) mouth is fucking huge and slightly skewed to one side, she has a weirdly short but still undoubtedly crimson chin, the other eye (our left her right) is a completely different shape and out of symmetry, the line on the nose is too thick, the cheekbone jutting out like that makes her look like some sort of Jim Carrey mask caricature, the hair is just a mess all around and her shoulder trails off into infinity for some reason

you guessed it, loomis time

>>4988713
nice

I tried gesture drawing for the first time. Did 30 seconds
What the fuck, man

>>4988745
I think you would benefit more from doing longer poses to start with until you become more comfortable with basic construction and anatomy

These aren't really gestures as much as a rushed attempt to fill out a body

But good start anyway, first drop in the ocean

>>4988612
How long have you been drawing?

Where can I find resources on how to render with pencil, but at a really mechanical mark making level. I feel like my shading is very uneven and I have no control over my tone.

>>4988782
Why do you need resources for this? Just fucking shade some squares until you figure out the motion and pressure antics and play around with different grade graphite

>>4988772
I’ve been “drawing” (copying references) for the last decade, but it’s only been this last year that I’ve made efforts to learn imaginative drawing, construction, perspective etc

>>4988791
A decade? No need to worry, what made you understand contours like that, is it talent?

When I color with markers it comes out uneven and I cant really add layers to push the value darker. I'm using mix media paper and Arteza markers. Any guides on how to use markers?

>>4988035
bayonetta is that you?

>>4988790
Sure I'll just run around blindly instead of looking for resources on how to do it right! Thanks for the advice!

Someone posted a shooped meme of Terry on Jesus, so I repainted the face to look more like it's part of the painting. How did I do?

>>4988697
it looks like the type of expression that a character would do when they are trying to be cool but comically failing.

>>4988648
>>4988673
I mean, it is not like you HAVE to care tho. it is a matter of framing.

>>4988817
Holy shit

You are asking for structured advice on how to move a pencil

I can not even begin to explain to you how hopelessly stupid you are and frankly if you need some sort of authoritative guidance on THIS before trying it for yourself then you will never make it

>>4988766
Cool, I tried a bunch of 2 minute ones.
Is this something you should jsut practice everyday? I did about 40 30 second ones and a dozen 2 minute ones so far

>>4988841
By longer poses I mean like 30mins or even longer than that, so you can take some time to actually compare your drawing to the ref and see where you're going wrong and make observations. If you rush it but you're not confident with what you're actually doing, you'll get nowhere. Slow first, and then fast

Daily practice is always good, just don't do it mindlessly. Take some time to study anatomy alongside your figure drawings and then incorporate that anatomy into the drawings next time, etc. Always be mindful of what you're doing, pick an area to improve and focus on that, take notes, etc etc over time this will lead to guaranteed progress

>>4988838
"Hey coach can you show me how to shoot a free throw? I want o know where to place my feet and how to hold the ball and the over all motion"

"Nah man that's soo authoritarian, how about you just shoot couple of hundred thousand times until you get it to "feel" right."

'T-Thanks coach...."

I've been trying to get this right for the past few days yet I'm unable to get contours
>>4988791
What's your secret? Is it talent?

>>4988869
Not the guy you were replying to, but I'm pretty sure Proko has videos that go into detail on how to hold your pencil, how to set up your paper etc.

Other than that I'd recommend just watching videos on how to shade, and then you pay attention to what the instructor is doing with each stroke, how they are making them etc. After that you really just need to try out variations yourself, see how your actions directly influence the result on the paper and then adjust your technique accordingly.

>>4988869
Hello I am looking for advice on how to breathe, I dare not do it without a guide, please reply soon or I will die

>>4988874

Thanks, proko does go into mark making and where to place your hand a bit, but he also kinda just rushes past it. I did like everything he did with gesture.

>>4988877
Post your work, I want to see how good your shading is.

>>4988878
Something that I think should be important for you to keep in mind:
Art is highly individual and subjective. Everyone does things a bit differently, and I think it's not useful to spend a lot of time on technicalities like how to make each individual mark outside of making sure they are what you intend for them to be (straight, curved, thick, thin etc). It will vary a lot from person to person, and while you might feel right now that you need some very solid instruction with a step-by-step manual, I assure you, you really don't. Once you get mileage you will settle into what is comfortable, and you will also start to notice how different stroke patterns and pressure correspond to a different look on the canvas.
Maybe look up examples like Peter Hans dynamic bible, he has a chart at the start with warmup exercises for shading, and there are many more like it from other teachers.

>>4988880
he's already dead bro

>>4988880
Always the same, in place of actually considering what you've been told you will put up a front in an attempt to compete against some nobody anon because your ego being validated is the only important thing

The other anon said exactly what I said but with a generous extra helping of "look at how other artists do it", which I would assume is common sense to some extent, but even within art there are many different media that are held in different ways and even the same media which are held in different ways by different artists. There is no de facto right way to move your pencil across the paper, the motor control you're describing can't be taught and only comes from practising it yourself, and nobody is going to be able to tell you how hard to push because even that varies with different grade graphite and different brands and different media. It's something you can ONLY learn by doing it yourself and seeing the result and adjusting course accordingly.

The fact that you're trying to come up with shitty analogues for why this is bad advice just shows that you don't understand at all the nature of learning, and given that this is quite literally ground zero of drawing and it gets exponentially more complex as soon as you can actually put pencil to paper, if you're not willing to push it yourself without someone literally holding your hand and drawing for you, you're going to run into an impenetrable wall at every single step of the way and you will never grow

Literally just go fucking draw, in this case it's not even a matter of "wandering around in the dark" as it might be with other theory based aspects of art where "just draw" has some obvious caveats. Your mindset currently is permabeg and I hope to god that you figure that out for your own sake

>>4988887
While Art is subjective there are benefits to having structures in place to improve your art. For example while you could just do ten thousand gesture drawings on your own and probably get some idea on what to do, following the Vilppu method is going to drastically improve your gesture drawings much faster.

I don't think asking for tips on pressure control, manipulating tone and value or when to hash versus when to use contour lines and when to blend is as trivially easy as breathing. In fact in digital art is very easy to find whole videos dedicated to each one of these.

Even something like how to hold your pencil is something that should be talk about, for a long time I held my pencil when I draw the same way as when I write now I have a much better grip that gives me more consistent lines.

>>4988909
>"Can I get some help?"
>"Bruh just do it, it's as easy as breathing"
>"Do you mind posting your work buddy?"
>"Bruh just taking my advice stop inflating your ego"

>>4988932
The only good thing I have to say about you is that you managed to find the right thread to post in

>>4988938
Imagine asking beginner questions in the beginner threads. I know the guy was full of shit as soon as he didn't post his work.

>>4988945
Ok, we're full of shit, keep searching for that motor control tutorial

>>4988948
Damn your really upset

>>4988792
The decade was literally a waste of time when it came to actual drawing skills. I only refined my taste, basic tool control and composition, the actual act of drawing is totally different from copying and enhancing references, as I found out to much surprise and disappointment - you gotta get the mileage in, you gotta start thinking in 3D, you need to be able to see form to draw! It’s a language designed by humans to trick each other into thinking they are looking into a window to a reality you have created

With that in mind, don’t waste time tracing. Look up the shrimp learning method. Find Pete han’s dynamic sketching on online-courses.club (free). >>4988871
Anon, you are absolutely going in the right direction, dO not give up.
Here’s a critical tip: look at a contour around a cylinder. See how the very edges of the curve turn very quickly compared to the lazy, long turn in the front (perpendicular with your eye)? That sudden speed in turning, a result of compressing of form and seeing lots of it squished into a small area, is actually a key to a lot of advanced techniques like fresnel effect in speculars, subsurface scatter etc. It is fundamental you understand it. Take a sharpie and a loo roll tube or a cup and draw a contour line around its edge. Go and draw 30 cylinders referencing your actual object. Nail that ring. “Draw through” - do the complete ellipse, not just the visible part of the contour.
Then do your organic using this principle

Good luck!

>>4988923
practice value scales, practice slapping them on basic forms. that's it.

>secret pencil grip voodoo ritual to improve drawing
oh, you're just retarded

>>4987990
update: yes i will clean up the lines after i finish actually designing everything.

>>4988955
I'm just posting advice in this thread brother, trying to get it through your thick skull that you're not approaching this specific issue correctly. If you don't want to take it and see fit to deflect with another greentext, then that's on you

>>4988960
The fuck are you on? There are ways to hold your pencil for different effects that's actually a thing.

>>4988976
>different effects
wasn't the claim dumb dumb.

>>4988986
Nice back track faggot, there are right and wrong ways to hold your fucking pencil.

>>4988969
Cool idea. Too much specular - you’ve placed it in areas that the light would not reflect from (the front and back of brain at same time?)

>>4986451
Stop trying to draw with a mouse.

>>4988969
Pretty good anatomy, terrible rendering, you need to study light more until it clicks.

>>4988376
Nah go ahead.

>>4988948
>motor control tutorial
These actually exist though, that exactly what people teach when they say draw from the shoulder, or ghost a circle, or elbow pivot for an even arch.

>>4988991
there are no wrong ways to hold the pencil if your concern is a consistent line.

Anyone have some kind of shoe or feet refence? Preferably flat like pic related

>>4989008
All of these things require the exact same hundreds of hours upon hours of practice to fine tune and perfect, and none of them are relevant to his uneven shading, which again is solved by shading fucking squares, which is the most simple way of practising value gradations and the very first thing I recommended to him

>>4988958
Thanks for the advice and glad you got serious about drawing anon, I'm going to save your shapes to use as reference, I'll also do the cylinder thing, right now I don't know what to do with the wireframe, it's hard to understand.
Tried rotating a shape and it was a failure.

>>4988996
>>4989002
I completely agree and will work on both of those things. no where near done yet. just laying in some big shapes first. the characters wont be pink and blue when theyre done. thats just to help me out when i zoom in.

>>4989014
Are you retarded? There are literally grips specifically to make your lines more organic and inconsistant.

>>4989040
Yeah if I hold it upside down with my left hand

>there are stupid arbitrary ways to hold a pencil, which is why the standard grip is subpar and you need the perfect secret pro vitality grip

>>4989031
Just shade boxes isn't good advice, because it assumes the person understands things like hatching, crosshatching, blending and layering.

>>4989051
>he doesn't know about the secret grip

Ngmi

>>4989053
That's exactly how you practice all of those things in the most isolated bitesize format
He says he's watched proko and I assume this probably means some other content as well, so I highly doubt he's unfamiliar with these literal preschool tier drawjutsu techniques, but even so you don't need any of them to make a consistent value gradation, which only requires appropriate pressure management and is practised, once again, by shading a square. It's like you're hellbent on paralysing yourself into eternal begitude because you need to know all the secrets before you start

>>4989072
Your response of just shade boxes was before any of that though.

>>4989079
And like I said in the second part of the post, it's also unnecessary because it's something you can practice and improve without using hatching or blending or layering

>>4989084
I think blending and layering would really help someone that is having trouble with smooth shading

>>4989051
there is only one correct way to hold the pencil

>>4989093
blending doesn't fix the issue of having bad pressure management to begin with, and layering also relies on good pressure management to some extent because you need to make consistent gradients. these things might allow you to fix up your final result, but they don't stop your side to side shading motion from being shaky and uneven, which is the main problem

>>4989093
value scales as part of your daily warmup would help more.

Anons, I need any and all suggestions to improve my understanding of form, help a guy out

Any tips for getting better and sketching and more interesting subject matters? I did those to flesh out more of my characters but the end results is flat and pretty atrocious. Also how do I learn how to implement perspective and foreshortening into my drawings?

Im gonna kill myself.
I hate drawing anything remotely realistic so fucking much as well

>>4989133
In comparison to something like this for example, they feel flat and stiff as fuck despite both being in "default" camera angles. Why is that? I try to use shapes as much as I can but it always end up looking like symbol drawing

>>4989137
dont skip the picasso exercise, you need to learn how to see

>>4989133
>more interesting subject matters?

I love collecting images and organizing them by themes. Also those huge full color art history books are pretty cool.

>>4989133
/fag/ is there ->

>>4989137
if it makes you feel any better, you didn't draw something remotely realistic.

>>4988654
I got some feedback and did some adjustments.

>>4989140
I did that many weeks ago and didnt understand any of it

>>4989151
it's about learning to look at the line for what it is and trying to accurately replicate it, instead of looking at a face and trying to draw a face

in other words it's about breaking away from symbol drawing and focusing on observing what's in front of you more accurately

your lines don't match up in many areas, and you should be able to see it yourself if you play spot the difference. it wouldn't go amiss to repeat the exercise with this in mind and aim for greater accuracy

>>4989133
>>4989139
your anatomy is nonexistent, your proportions are nonexistent, because you have neither of these your drawing looks worse by default but not only do these things exist in the image you linked, they are also exaggerated to create more interesting and dynamic shapes (especially the hips, thighs, waist, tits, eyes, ratios between them, etc.)

on top of that, the image you linked has much more confident and dynamic linework, while yours is still in the underdrawing scribble stage and just all around worse

these are the issues with your drawing, not the camera angle or the subject matter.

Since I suck, I'll post this here.

>>4987576
I realised the head looks nothing like cat so I did some pinterest studying. I know the eyes are out of place.

Is this better?

>>4989188
downsized my bad

it is once again asaro time

>>4989162
Mate I think I got fucking worse

>>4989094
The chad loli grip vs the virgin \ic grip

>>4989196
What’s up dudes, and welcome to Asaro hour!

Good start man, some of the bounced light is being ignored tho - see lip

>>4989094
/ic/ is making me racist against asians

>>4989137
Draw bigger and zoom in faggot.
You look like you're trying to draw with a microscope.

Practicing construction.
When you are looking at someone at an equal level (I.E, Face to face) how much of the top of the torso generally shows? Top being, if it was in a box shape, the top plane of the box

Atarichan drawings. What should i study next?

I tried so hard.

>>4989502
And came so hard

>>4989379

new
>>4989592
>>4989592
>>4989592

>>4989094
baby-sama kneel

wtf am I even drawing?

How do I stop being so shit at perspective? Do I just keep grinding?

>>4989714
unironically, boxes really do help with this. Also, there is a book on perspective that might help, you can check the sticky.

>>4989714
Also, I like your drawings :)

thx lol and also i am doing drawabox, gave up at lesson 3 a few months ago but starting where i left off now

>>4988826
>>4988713
ok, i got it, the trick is not doing "quick sketches" at work on a desk thats 10 cm below eye level ,stll dont know how to do smile dimples / creases or convincing hair for this one fucking character in particular, its supposed to have a big lock of hair that swoops to the right to break tte silhouette and the rest of the mass of hair to come over the opposite shoulder to break symmetry

>>4989714
the crab is my favorite one, you look like you are doing ok though. Is it humans that are a pain in the ass?

>>4990089
Yes. My creatures/vehicles have been mistaken for works by famous concept artists while my humans have been mistake for drawings by small children.

Drew some hands. Tell me why they're bad.

>>4990352
Too round. Unless you're Jonah Hill or something, they gotta be flat at the top. Think of how the fat is situated.

>>4986463
cringe

How do draw like this?

>>4986403
Is Drawabox worth it? 250 boxes can't be anything but a meme, no? Should I keep at it?

>>4986842

So to all those who told me before, should I just stick to trying to draw spheres or what?

>>4990318
lets see?

>>4990715
it kind of fizzles out towards the last two lessons but i think its worth to go through
boxes aren't really that huge of a deal