/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

first for coom art > other art

>>4983071

liquidfy

>Have a hard time drawing women because if they aren't perfect I hate the drawing
>Draw men a lot more because even if I fuck up it can be part of the charm if they are ugly

Anyone else know this feel?

Should I just keep drawing women from reference? I didn't get a whole lot of critical feedback last thread. I know I'm bad, but I'd like to know what, exactly, I need to work on? I figure having multiple pictures there's some sort of through line for anons to pinpoint all my flaws (of which there are many) I posted all these:
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>>4983377
get a matte screen protector it will make ur ipad feel like paper

>>4983377
do what you're doing for another month to hammer some things into your brain, and then go through vilppu.

>>4982512
A physical book AND in english? Sorcery. Source?

>>4983377
Just keep drawing, flaws are what makes or breaks you. Failure are good. Fail fast and fail more. You can do this.

>>4983348
Who drew the pic in the op?

>>4983377
>Should I just keep drawing women from reference
yes
just focus on learning the shapes and proportions
if you want it to make it look better work on two layers, one sketch and the other is for clean lines

how do i know if im a ngmi?

>Wondering why my neck looks so retarded compared to the guy who redraw my sketch
>go look at my neck in mirror
>realize the neck isnt a literal tube
>Realize its more of a weird tube like shape that almost seeming-lessly morphs into the shoulders and torso on a curve
>Realize all this time I could have literally just look at my own neck and made stuff look better
Drawing makes me feel really stupid sometimes

>>4983432
I think working on clean lines are bad ideas. You should work on shadows and shapes. Big blobs of paints.

>>4983437
When you give up.

>>4983441
yeah depends on what you want to make, I like comics so i focus on lines but do that if you want to paint

>>4983440
"Feel the form, touch yourself." -Happyboynumber1

Here is why you should touch yourself. Firstly because you get to feel the bones. The structure and then the shapes. Unless you are a fat fuck like myself dont use the shapes lmao

>>4983446
Hmm i agree, for comics lines are very important. Especially when it comes to ink feathering.

Did a grey on grey. Faces are so fucking hard to do.

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>>4983440
TENNO HEIKA COOM

>>4983418
I did, my handle is Eggseru, I’d like som crits tho

>>4983455
try drawing upside down, they are so hard because we are very good at recognizing faces so any imperfection will ruin the illusion.

thats why alot of old master type paintings will blend shadows or lose the bridge of the nose in the cheek, it creates a more realistic effect because it leaves your brain to fill in the blanks and so it doesnt look off,

any feedback? also, how do I draw ahegao?

>>4983484
study the greats

Wish I was better at drawing hands, they are so wonderfully expressive.
Does any of the anatomy make sense in this picture? I just drew it without ref as practice and had a hard time since I don't have much experience with drawing from imagination

So how are you supposed to approach loomis books and the likes? There is just too much text

>>4983540
Fun with a pencil is the easiest to approach because it has a guide and draw-a-long content. After you finish that you can decide what you need work on and move onto a speciality book from there (gesture, perspective, etc)

Anyone have a picture tutorial or the like for drawing a loincloth? I can only find weird fetish art

>>4983348
How long until I escape Sonichu level?

>>4983585
A long long time

>>4983585
Just draw on paper until you can afford a tablet

>>4983540
To get the most out of it... you have to read the text. It sucks, and it sucks more with Bridgman and other older resources, but a lot of the best books are very text heavy and the text is crucial. That said, a lot of the Loomis concepts are now fully embedded in the whole world of illustration training so you can always look up some videos about whichever topic, might make it a little less dry.

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>>4983599
wait what..? I never read the text

Hi

>>4983382
I’ll look into it. Good idea. Are they expensive? Is there a brand guide?
>>4983399
Okay! I read vippu after your comment. Interesting approach I’ll try to incorporate it.
>>4983413
I will fail more, senpai!
>>4983432
I’ll try that!


Also thanks anons for not just saying loomis. Haha.

why do my storyboards (top) look so shit? I'm using Photoshop and a huion tablet. Should I import custom brushes? all the stock ones suck. do I use the brush tool or pencil tool? How can I make mine look like the storyboards on the bottom?

>>4983629
if you have 40$ to burn PaperLike is the go to (way too fucking expensive like anything related to apple), but i use a random anti-glare anti fingerprint protector i got off amazon for 10$ and it works just fine

>>4983484

mech sketch from today

Gonna try to render this, but im gonna study a bit before trying that. Im debating adding a human head or trophy skull to her belt but Im not sure how well I can draw that.

reading the morpho book, any advice?

>>4983677
your proportions are all over the place, small head/thick neck one of the two, torso is to big, skinny arms. Did you use a reference?

>>4983638
Yours are roughly drawn stick men, not cartoons like the below ones. You don't have any value in your drawings, the lower ones have some mid tones brushed in. You're using a rougher textured brush, the lower image is using a hard, round brush with no line variation or opacity. Your guy watering a plant tells me nothing about the guy, where he is, where the plant is or what size it is. The lower drawings depict 4 people interacting, they're close and comfortable. It seems to be a family gathering, one is the mother / grandmother figure, one may be the dad. Two appear younger. One is happy and the the others seem to pay attention as he speaks.

Your story boards have NO story - the images would have no relation to eachother if not for the text explaining them.

>>4983677
Bad pose

>>4983377
You need practice on every fundamental. Your lines are messy and impatient, shading extremely messy, perspective essentially absent. One of the first things you can do is stop scribbling in your lines. Don't try to draw things loose and sketchy because you don't think you can get them right if you draw them tight. Experienced artists know where they can get away with being sketchy - for the time being you need to be pretty exacting and careful in your approach. You should not be trying to do "10-20min" shaded figures, take your time to get them right and speed will come down the road.

>>4983677
maybe like this?

>>4983663
slim it down, the dark spaces in the legs are a good place to add mechanical details

Is this a good map?

>>4982046
think of them as spheres

Im going to be moving into perspective now that I have a decent understanding of anatomy.

My main goal is to make a webcomic so with that in mind are these books a good starting place.

I don't want to or need to draw anything with absolute perfect perspective but just be able to draw a scene without the background looking wonky or characters looking like they're floating.

>>4983688
thanks this fixed my problem

I always wonder, are there some pros lurking in this thread helping others or the critics are just /beg/ themselves?

>>4983793
actual pros like kim jung or these high end chinks, no, but usually some good crits are from people people who are good at particualr things

How do I draw at night? My eyes hurt with the light.

>>4983805
brightness very low, background grey/brown

>>4983348
:(

Did some sketching from life today.

>>4983747
nice mexicans

Can you guys please help me. How can it make it look better?

How 2 connect legs with torso?

Also new to digital but I run out of space when figure drawing

The canvas size is way too small for me to effectively draw large things uninterruptedly

>>4983348
went for an ambitious angle. Would sups appreciate a redline.

>>4983876
Don't scribble shading onto your comic style stuff. It should generally be black, white, or hatched (as the typical inking process doesn't allow for gray). Your lines, hatching etc. should be definitive and tidy. Your anatomy exists but gives the impression of discrete muscles with no skin over them (the "ridge" muscle on Venom's right arm is outlined too hard). The hatching doesn't really follow the form in most places, which flattens it out a lot. Don't skip the hands. They're hard, I know, but skipping the hands is like skipping the head - you need to have them in there, they're the parts you can least afford to leave out.

i've heard some people say to start with line before moving to painting, but how do you know when you are ready?

>>4983703
Thank you senpai, I’m not really sure what else to say but I will try to be more confident in my stroke and my attempting to do stuff so far with that in mind has been such shit. My brain arm connection is baaaaaad. After getting drunk tonight I’ll do my best for clean line practice!!!!!!!!

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate."

>>4983922
Thanks for the advice

>Don't scribble shading onto your comic style stuff. It should generally be black, white, or hatched (as the typical inking process doesn't allow for gray). Your lines, hatching etc. should be definitive and tidy.
I've thought about this, but I'm not sure this matters to me, since I don't have the goal of working for a company drawing superhero comics. I just want to draw in the way that looks the best, and so I'm trying shading stuff and see if it works

>Your anatomy exists but gives the impression of discrete muscles with no skin over them
What solution do you suggest?

>(the "ridge" muscle on Venom's right arm is outlined too hard).
Yeah I also thought that about that ridge, but I kinda liked it and was afraid to ruin it by going over it again

>The hatching doesn't really follow the form in most places, which flattens it out a lot.
I don't understand this. Which places do you mean, as an example?

>Don't skip the hands. They're hard, I know, but skipping the hands is like skipping the head - you need to have them in there, they're the parts you can least afford to leave out.
True, I was just tired. Maybe tomorrow I'll add the hands

>>4983878
I can tell you drew this from imagination.

>>4983878
legs look pretty good to me
arms are a bit short though

>tfw stability at 100 but linework still shaky
help how do i fix this
also critique of anatomy before i sketch more?

Would I improve if I do nothing but perspective for a while?

>>4984032
>stability at 100 but linework still shaky
How? Just stop chicken scratching and set the stabilizer to zero you fucking pussy.

>>4984040
>tripping over stabilizing
??
im using a mouse
mypaint has a great stabilizer for me but im still trying to figure out clipstudio

>>4984046
>using a mouse
There's your problem bud. Just draw on paper or get a tablet already.

>>4984054
i would if i could :(

>>4983482
Thanks will do better next time

trying my best with this one. thoughts?

>>4984083
That is a male.

>>4983677
did this, is it better?

>>4984087
what makes you think so?

>>4983348
In honor of President Elect Joe Biden

>>4984122
very based

>>4984122
based

>>4983348
I should have said commie piece of shit

>>4983662
>gesture

this is why geture shills need to kys..ugh....

>>4984149
Based

>>4984149
Btfo

>>4984149
nooooo dont let the fundieschads see this

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>>4984166
I dont get it

>>4984170
the first crit was garbage and added nothing

>>4984175
>>4984170
Anon redrew a better arm showing muscular structure. OP's gesture was missing detail and looked limp.

>>4984170
Look at the inner arm compared to the hand position in the "arm gesture" drawing

1st attempt at rendering (Was aiming for a basic base tone, 1 highlight tone 1 shadow tone)
I learned the burn/dodge tools are fucking traps and I still need to study

How bad is it? the skin feels like the worst part.

>>4984202
Also how do I prevent white pixels from popping around my image in photoshop? I couldnt do a background because of it, and defringing didnt work

>>4984170
The shitty crit said to make the arm limp even though the arm supporting the body would be tense and under pressure

>>4983505
give me your discord id

>>4984089
its fantastic. lots of talent.

>>4984202
maybe this looks a bit better

>>4984145
Do you ever just hate almost every single thing about your drawing? I do.

im ngmi lads

>>4984350
You're better than me.

>>4984227
>(Was aiming for a basic base tone, 1 highlight tone 1 shadow tone)
I would recommend hightening the contrast firstly since it's very low in your drawing. Made also throw in some core shadows here and there to further emphasize form, since I notice there are a few cast shadows already like under the shoulder guard and right (our left) breast. Maybe core shadows plus reflected light along the right side (our left) of the arms, legs, head, neck, and torso. So basically, a strong, coherent shadow pattern. The contrast doesn't need to be absurd, but just a bit stronger would help. A tip regarding coloring skin, because I struggled a lot with that for a long time too: light and shade on skin will very rarely, if ever, just be two different shades of the same color. The shadow side is almost always a completely different hue, whether the reflected lights are really extreme or the shadows are just cool relative to the warm light side. Skin is almost never "light brown, medium brown, dark brown". etc. See my picture for one example of colorful skin, but there are many many more such examples of this. To fix this, honestly I can't really think of any one book or video. I personally learned this by very carefully studying and analyzing the skin colors used by artists in paintings I admired. In general, it's better to overshoot color than undershoot it. Crazy and over the top is better than muted and boring. At least in my opinion. Aside from all that, proportions are not bad. The structure and anatomy could use some work. That's all standard stuff. I'm too busy but maybe somebody else can do a red line for you.

>>4984220
Huh? I don't have one, what would you need it for

>>4984383
oh sorry, ive been looking for a boyfriend and i really liked your style. I was hoping you would teach me to draw... Nevermind :(

>>4984398
Gotta be gay then, Rule 37 of the internet.

>>4984405
im a girl but that's okay. I'll just go back to lolcow

did a quick and lazy study off a twitter artist.

>>4984398
Can't really teach you how to draw when I don't know how to draw either.
Good luck in your quest of finding a bf, I'm rooting for you.
t. >>4983505

from imagination

>>4984478
It shows, but you're making good progress, if you wanna learn somthing from this I'd reccomend redrawing the pose with just primitives,.

>>4984483
Thanks lad.

I'll try tomorrow.

I have to solve the pelvis/leg construction still since I'm using a cube and it's hard to insert them into such a solid figure.

>>4984149
This feels very hyperextended, and hand proportions need practice (pinky and index the same length and ring / middle the same length). Work on gesture to achieve a more appealing and natural pose.

What are the best things to draw to gain skill? I can draw fruits and trees etc. and they look good because they have big bumps and irregularities so even if I don't draw accurately it can look good and realistic. But if I draw a bad face the mistakes are much more obvious. So is it more beneficial to draw things that you can more easily see the flaws?

>>4984643
The human figure. Specifically, utilizing the constructive approach to figure drawing.

Today's quick (~5 min) studies

>>4984534
retard

Does anyone else here have other hobbies and a job aside from drawing? I find it very difficult to find time to draw when I already work pretty much everyday and practice 1-2 hours piano everyday. Kinda sucks.

>>4984759
I took 5 years off from drawing to study math because reasons. Drawing is harder.

>>4984380
Thanks a ton for this dude.
>To fix this, honestly I can't really think of any one book or video.
Damn, was really hoping I could just read or watch something. Ive been doing that for everything else and its been working great

this is the first time i tried to add an actual background, it's kinda a rush job, I know the perspective is off.
>my queston is How do you anons recomemend colouring a background like this so the character still pops out? More saturated colours? Limit the palette?

Really quick question can somebody tell me what this bump is?
I don't think it's the illiac crest as that should be higher

>>4984763
Drawing isn't harder than math at all. You just need to have an eye for it and then keep practicing.

>>4984790
And in math you just need to be able to follow a logical argument. Drawing is a difficult skill. Logic comes easy to me.

>>4984785
External oblique.

>>4984380
that ass is god tier, gracious fertility gate

>>4984797
After looking through a couple anatomy diagrams for artist, its also called “flank pad”

>>4984794
Pfft, if that was the case, I would have done much better in school.

>>4984759
I would recomemend making a timetable for your life. It seems gay but if you are having problems with fitting stuff in it can help. Just keep it realistic.

>>4984797
Sorry but doesn't the external oblique end at the illiac crest and where the pelvis starts?
It shouldn't be between the illiac crest and greater trichanter

>>4984807
I don’t know dude, I was just checking through my anatomy diagram refs.

>>4984807
don't know the name i think is the glut medius

>>4984816
>glutus maximus
not the anon that originally asked but it might be the one?

>>4984811
>>4984816
ok so which one is it?
I'm even more confused

>>4984818
Gluteus medius*

>>4984819
You’ll get use to it. You end up knowing landmarks and bumps than say the names of the muscle later on,

>>4984819
it's the gluteus medius
this >>4984797 >>4984811 dipshit doesnt know how the pelvis works

>>4984827
ok thank you.
>>4984823
that's a relief

where's the best place to learn anatomy from?
Where did you learn it?

>>4983827
):

>>4984834
anatomy for sculptors

>>4983851
nice sketches anon I feel like I would be able to recognize those people if I knew them.

also, been able to wear masks in public; I am living my weebo dream!

>>4983945
you don't, just keep going back and forth

>>4984834
>Where did you learn it?
Im a nurse, so it was included in my courses. When I decided to try drawing I basically just had to remember it

>>4984061
sketch on paper and to the line work using vector tool. or do pixel art.

>>4984083
>that bulge

>>4983475
My only critique, at this point, is that you should create an account on a site like newgrounds or the likes in addition to your twitter account. Twitter fiddles with image quality whenever you upload something. And it's just a pain in the ass to go through someone's gallery in general.

>>4984784
Her left leg being shorter than her right aside...Blog?

>>4984785
It is just your upper leg bone that is connected to your pelvis. Wrap around with muscles and fats. Think of it as part of the structure before think of the skin.

>>4984423
A Kindred (Lamb) drawing? Source?
Also, your artist handle?

>>4983827
You should start by practicing how hard you grip your pencil and/or press on the paper.

>>4984866
in order, yes its kindred, Source is @ArbuzBudesh, I do not have an artist handle

>>4984784
>human skin
wtf? is this cannon? who approved this design?!

>>4984863
https://twitter.com/PinkFalcon1 fuck i cant belive i missed that, i was going for foreshortining but in the final peice it looks pretty fucked kek
>>4984897
yeah. i think it's cute

>>4984784
I dont think you should use almost neon pink on the body, looks weird

>>4984759
I paint minis

>>4983460
tenno...s...coom?

>>4984858
Ok, I’ll look into that:)

>>4984942
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn it's simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.

>>4984921
noted, that looks alot better. im still new as fug to colours (obviously).

>>4984852
oh fuck. now I see. Thanks!

I can't believe it, for four months he's been wasting our time with this silly art thing, four months of delusional practice, it's quite obvious that he's not really improving at all.

>>4985085
That we are not improving at all, I've been trying so hard to quit this but we won't give up, there's no complete drawing, there hasn't been an attempt for a month, the current solution I'm chasing is Perspective first and perspective only, but we are having issues, it should be done already, what a lack of focus.

Keys To Drawing was a failure, EVistton course, Drawing on the right side of the brain, DRAWABOX, MARCO BUCCI, Dynamic Sketching, Loomis, Vilppu

>>4985085
>>4985093
YET WE WONT QUIT
I CAN SEE EVERY MISTAKE YET I CANT FIX IT
4 MONTHS NOW AND VERY LITTLE TO SHOW FOR IT, I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE DONE NOTHING
WHATS THE SOLUTION?
BEEN DRAWING FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD AS THAT DAILY HEAD GUY AND HES BETTER DESPITE NOT GRINDING FUNDIES
I WANT TO FUCKING TEAR SOMEONE APART

>>4985097
relax faggot. just have fun with it

>>4985099
STOP FUCKING AROUND, EITHER BE USEFUL OR FUCK OFF

>>4985085
>>4985093
>>4985097
Finish something.

>>4985100
lmao really guy? chill. if you're not having fun then take a fucking break. you'll get where you're going eventually.

>>4985106
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU PIECE OF SHIT
>>4985104
It's going to end in predictable failure, what? What could I even bother to finish, I did this >>4985006

HEAD construction is not yet ready I already tried

>>4985119
alright, be like that. At this rate you're not gonna make it bud, with art or life.

>>4985120
why? because I dont subscribe to your moronic viewpoint on time, because fun is irrelevant, time is all that matters
TIME TIME TIME

>>4985120
How about you show us huh? YOUR ART AND YOUR COMPLETE TIMEFRAME LETS SEE IF THEY MAKE SENSE

>>4985123
no. YOU are the one who need to prove yourself. stop your autistic screeching and keep learning like everybody else here

>>4985141
So you have nothing? as expected OF SOMEONE WITH SUCH BULLSHIT HUMAN ANSWERS
EVERY DAY I HAVE TO TALK WITH YOUR KIND, IM SO FUCKING BORED

>>4985151
take your meds, schizoid

>>4983852
its supposed to be native americans more than mexicans

>>4984942
>>4984945
shit! now I want to play warframe again.

I can only draw manfaces. How the fuck can I draw hot SEX WOMAN faces?

>>4985173
Post your women faces then.

>>4985173
practice.

>>4985173
>he only drew man faces
ohnonono

>>4985173
Show us.

if you want to be good at doing the thing, you must do the thing. there is not other way anon!

>>4985195
If you want to be good at doing the thing, you must love the thing.

>>4985173
bank on tranny cash

How to fix, redline pls.

okay, does she still look like /d/ material?

>>4985151
You're not that guy who posted that thread about spending 2 grand on art classes or something, are you?

Do you guys unironically start with the sticky or do you think something else is better?

>>4985241
Nah

>>4985242
I just traced a lot of 3D models in photoshop to understand how to control my lines. Then started drawing basic shapes every day. Now I read Loomis and practice to draw construction. Works for me.

>>4985174

>>4985259
now i am curious to see your manface

>>4985232
That shirt looks weird, is it tuck under her pants or you forgot to finish the drawing.

>>4985242
I started with the books a little bit than I switch to vilppu course videos. Easier to learn for me, but I still look at the books when I want to look at a quick reference.

>>4985274
former

I feel like anatomy/perspective could have been better

>>4985277
Just looked them up and those videos seem a bit pricey for a poorfag such as myself

>>4985278
than should her bellybutton be shown that much or is it really tight.

>>4985283
I am not sure now. Does this variant look better?

>>4985280
Im not good enough to tell you whats wrong besides her ankles are fat.

>>4985262

What's this style called? Semi-realistic?

>>4985282
piracy thread

>>4985280
I don't have any good criticism, but I like how you've done the shorts.

Im trying to fill out the base colour but this shit constantly happens when I use the autofill tool is their something better or does my lineart just need to be better for it to work?

>>4985289
Sure it looks less confusing. It also looks like your torso is a bit too long, remember if she is putting her arms straight down where her elbow is located is where the bellybutton should be around

>>4985323
Anime

>>4985282
the video course thread has the mega if you want to download them, I would start with his newer ones.

number 3. added pure black shadow and blended with my fingers.
advice is appreciated.

>>4985380
nice drawing, try to get a blending stump if you don't want to use your fingers. The shadow on the top of the apple might be placed wrong.

>>4985280
Good job finishing it tough! Nice work Anon!

Trying to study the abs with light shading. I cant draw legs for shit, haven’t learned the muscles for it. How do i learn how to shade better with pencil?

I bought a steadler mars but still suck

>>4985449
Fuck i forgot to post my work, here it is

howdy yall

>>4985454
>>4985449
here's a smaller version

What is the point of posting here, nobody gives any feedback.

>>4985449
your shading look ok. the best way to learn how to shade better imo is watching videos of people doing them, try the video course thread.

>>4985486
some people are lazy or don't know what is wrong with the drawing. I think if the poster preface what they think is wrong with their drawing others can chime in on what they think of the drawing.

>>4985486
I don't really get people who post collages of a bunch of sketches.

Perhaps you should pick one piece that you are working on and that you plan on finishing that you specifically want critique on. Include what parts you are having trouble with and want people to focus their feedback on.

It can be frustrating not getting feedback, that's why i always try and reply more than I post.

Your sketches look good.

>>4985199
this, but also you can learn to love the thing.

>>4985486
>>4985507
yeah, it's hard to critique a bunch of sketches

>>4985242
well I started with mark crilley books, I don't recommend it, obviously.

>>4985507
>I don't really get people who post collages of a bunch of sketches.

I always assume that they are not after any critique in particular, that they are just posting to not lose the habit. this is the only thread where you can post exercises after all.

Some copy practice.

I really am not cut out for this. What's a good book for studying limbs?

>>4985570
this man gets it.

>>4985557
>>4985507
Some drawings have more than one person in it.
Some people don't spend weeks on 1 cringe anime scribble.
You are allowed to post collages or unfinished works in /draw/

I'M DOING DYNAMIC SKETCHING ON THE DAILY, WEEKS NOW BUT MY BOXES ARE STILL TRASH
HELP ME /BEG/
DO I LACK TALENT?
4 months and the effort is there, i grind my lines and ellipses on the daily yet others that do even less are better than me

>>4985644
have you drawn anything else besides boxes?

>>4985644
we already told you that you are talentless you stupid schizo

how do i make drappery less stiff and any good resource on clothes that isn't a book from pre 2000

>>4985647
I'm traumatized (in the actual sense of the word) to be able to draw anything else that's not fundies, I've been like this for a month, I just can't do it, I won't let me do it
Give me an idea, if it comes from someone else I might be able to bypass this

>>4985651
vilppu

>>4985608
any figure book really check the art thread mega links.

>>4985647
Actually please post references or something, I can't do it, I can't do it, I just won't do it

>>4985652
what did you want to draw when you started learning? The boxes exercise is suppose to help you think in 3d while drawing.

>>4985644
nah you good senpai

>>4985663
It's too complex, won't let me draw that.
Faces, I could try loading up my references but they are mine, it won't let me draw anything, we have been defeated for a month now maybe more, just post something please

>>4985651
>>4985654
vilppu actually have a drapery video in the course thread, don't know if it is any good thought.

>>4985668
why you forcing this so much? all you do is complain. im being serious when i ask this, why dont you quit? you dont seem to be enjoying yourself, find a more relaxing hobby

>>4985671
JUST POST SOMETHING BEFORE IT WINS FOR FUCK'S SAKE
IM BATSHIT INSANE AND IM SOMEWHAT SANE RIGHT NOW
JUST LET ME STAVE IT OFF FOR FUCKS SAKE
POST SOMETHING

>>4985667
good? hahahahaha

its going to win again fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
>>4985667
DONT MOCK ME I CAN ALREADY SEE THEY ARE NOT OK
EVEN BEFORE WE DID THEM

Trying to do at least one watercolor a day, figured I share todays.

>>4985673
Draw a naked man desperate to escape a cube, pounding on the edges and going batshit insane

ACT OUT IN TWO
TWO, NO MORE THAN TWO
THREE POINT PERSPECTIVE, JUST THINK OF A PERFECT TRIANGLE, BOXES AND MORE BOXES, TOTAL ATTEMPTS NOW LOST ALL END
IN
FAILURE

i'm wearing my fingers out trying to blacken large parts of my paper with charcoal
what's a tool to do mass blending?

>>4985686
im trying to get into water coloring, what paper did you use?

TO FAIL OVER AND OVER AND THAT THING KEEPS WINNING
OPEN YOUR EYES AS LONG AS YOURE
AND THAT THING KEEPS ON FAILING
NOW, NOW , NOW, NOW, I TOLD YOU SO
I TOLD YOU THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN,M PEAK MOMENT ITS PEAK MOMENT
4 MONTHS
3 POINTS
TWO

>>4985689
blending stump or a shammy.

non ref practice

>>4985686
thats too comPLEX ANON THATS TOO COMPLEX
IT WILL END IN FAILURE I CANT DO IT I CANT DO IT I CANT DO IT
NO REFERENCE POSTED
NO CLEAR
INSTRUCTION
LOST

THATS TOO COMPLEX
ONE BOX FOR A BOX
AND TWO MORE FOR THE BODY, TWO BECOME FIVE AT THE VERY LEAST, AND THEN IM WONDERING
>>4985697
shut THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK U[P
I WANT TO CUT OUT YOUR BODY, CARVE OUT YOUR FUCKING ENTRAILS AND EAT YOU

>>4985697
look good, shoulder is narrow compare to her waist.

>>4985692
I just used some Artist's Pad watercolor paper, but I like to paint small things so unsure if there's a better kind. It's alright paper and doesn't bleed/scans okay, but I'm no expert.

PULSE PULSE PULSE PULSE PULSE
>>4985697
THE MATTER OF TALENT THE QUESTION OF TALENT IS ONE I CAN ANSWER I JUST HAVE TO DEVOUR YOU FIRST, CONSUME YOU FULLY, BY VIOLATING YOUR SOUL WITH THIS ATTACKM YOUR FLESH, YOUR BONES ILL GAIN WHAT YOU ARE

>>4985695
>shammy
these seem to pull a lot of charcoal, and is generally the same problem with wearing down fingers

stumps obviously way too small (even the inch thick ones)

you didN'T YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T
YOU REFUSED YOU REFUSED YOU REFUSED YOU FREFUSED TODAY YOULL REFUSE TOMORROW
YOULL ALWAYS REFUSE
YOURE NOT TRUSTWORTHY
YOURE NOT ONE OF US
YOURE ANOTHER ENTITY, YOUR PULSE IS NOT MINE, IVE ONLY GOT ONE PULSE
YOU IDIOT

10 MIMUTES 10 MINUTES 1 MINURES 10 MINUTES 10 MINUTES 10 MINUTES 10 MINUTES 10 MINUTES
STUCK ON 10 MINUTES BY EITHER CHOICE OR ENVIROMETN >>>>>>>>>>>?????????????????????
I CANT SEEM TO KNOW THE ANSWER
IS IT YOUR CHOICE OR YOUR
PLACE???? 10 MINUTES 10 MINUES 10 MINUES?
>>4985463
YOU
YOU KNOW WHWERE THE FORM LIES WHERE IS IT
GIVE IT TOM E
TOI ME
TO ME
GIVE IT TO ME

>>4985704
does it bend and warps easily? I tried with copier paper and it turn out horrible.

daily drawing

I CANT SEEM TO GGRASPO IT
4 MONTHS NOW 4 MONTHS NOW 4 MONTHS
>>4985714
YES YES YES YES YOURE FENCENCE YOU RENFNENCE YOUR REFENECE OUR REFENECE OYOUR REFENCE

>>4985714
oops. resized version

>>4985713
No so long as you don't drench the page it'll stay straight just fine. WAY better than copy paper. I tend to cut mine out and air dry, so it can curl up a bit, but I just keep them flat in a portfolio once they dry and don't have any problems.

>>4983348
This is my first few sketches in maybe 8 years, I started using an app called Sketch-A-Day while my girlfriend is locked down in a different city, just so we have something to do. Turns out to be pretty fun. I usually only take 10-20 minutes on each one, I might take longer if I get myself a proper pencil and an eraser.

How do I >into art? It’s fun and I usually hate myself if I’m bad at something, but I kinda like being shitty at this. I don’t really know where to go from finding cool images and recompositioning them in my journal though.
And finally, is it gay to draw? Feels pretty gay.

>>4985725
if you want to learn how to get better look at the sticky for help on where to get started. Also if you feel gay drawing that a personal problem.

>>4985725
it's only gay if those are two man hands

>>4985717
why you change the perspective? artistic choice?

>>4985739
They’re too ugly to be women’s...

>>4985740
because i'm /beg/tard and i'm bad at copying

I feel this is going okay.

>>4985752
you literally have to check one line? well you know for next time i guess, use some basic landmarks in your drawings

>>4985651
that one with the guy making a swastika pose

>>4985752
look for the corners and height, get down the basic points, the boundaries of the object, chip down, like marble, lay a foundation you cant just go in, not yet anyways

>>4985760
>>4985764
thanks for advice anon

This is most fun I had with drawing in a long time. Evening well spent.

I tend to use CSP and use the g-pen and oil paint brush, but all of my drawings are hard-black outlines with no variation. How do I make it like >>4983363 where everything is not one solid black outline

did this one right now, maybe I'm getting Bucci

Am I talentless?
I'm not going to finish this since I lack the knowledge to proceed with shading or anything else
>>4985801
Reference here

>>4985801
I forgot to fix lots of stuff if not everything, fuck

>>4985661
This is bad and cringe

>>4985673
answer my question anon

still working on drawing attractive women

Line arty is a fuckign nightmare lads. I hate this shit so much

>>4985845
Aboobs vagen

>>4985859
i'm a real coomer now

>>4984931
Those are some pretty nice boys

How do I stop relying on heavy contrast to cover up my messy lines and make my work less shit?

>>4985887
i've never seen anything like this in my life
maybe try painting with a grey background
try doing value studies, and painting forms instead of lines

>>4985895
Is that first part a good thing? lmao

Here is the original without contrast. I've been struggling with form for a while and I'm trying to improve it + line cleanliness + anatomy all at the same time. Do you have any tips on how to distinguish forms from lines?

ps there was gesture/construction here but i erased it

>>4985280
You stole this from slam dunk, right?

>>4985901
yeah do still lives so you get away from the symbols of a human body
lines don't exist in real life, just points where value changes
going to be real w you, the one without contrast is a lot more appealing

>>4985906
I'll do more still lives for sure.
Just one question: specifically what features here are drawn with symbolism rather than form?

>want to try to draw coom art again
>remember last time I tried I drew something so bland and garbage and it made an anon go ballistic

>>4985763
this book right
>>4985670
>>4985654
that genaral looks like a shitposting gen but i will look for useful link in warosu in previous gens

thanks lads

>>4985914
technically the entire thing, as lines are symbols
but the fact that you drew the tiddie confidently, yet basically guessed at the legs suggests to me that because the legs weren't in a position you knew, you couldn't draw them
hence you're going off the images in your head rather than what's there
also don't want to stick my foot in my mouth here, but i have trouble believing the side of the hip is pure black yet that pure black is nowhere else on her figure. like her torso and the rest of her body are in entirely different lighting environments
hope i helped

>>4985917
Post it? Or thread.

I'm getting real tired of drawing muscle people all day.... I know its important but god I feel like i'm dying

>>4985928
This is very helpful and I'll take this advice. Like you mentioned about the legs though, I could've sworn I was drawing what was in the reference. Could it be my lack of anatomy about legs that is causing this lack of confidence?

Also about form, take this image for example: I used a reference and I am doing my best to draw what is there (in other words, drawing the shadows rather than just the outlines of stuff), but I have a feeling you might say it lacks form.

Is it a matter of perspective with organic forms that I need to work on?

>>4985933
>>4971540
I still have it saved in my drawing folder but looking at it is like looking at an ugly scar. Last thing i drew was >>4984227

>>4985946
for the legs - it helps to directly attack subjects you're struggling with, so just draw a ton of 4-5 minute legs in weird positions you until you get better at them
regarding still lives, it might help to desaturate your reference images and focus entirely on matching what values you see
another thing that might help you is copying other pencil drawings to see how they use a wide range of value. maybe unironically look at some of the later bargue plates
i'm not that familiar with rendering in pencil, but i do know that it's difficult
disclaimer: i'm a fellow /beg/ so take anything i say with a healthy grain of salt

>>4985953
Well, I'm the guy who spent that $2,000 on drawing courses so according to many people, I'm below beg, so you definitely have authority to give me advice.

Again though thanks and I'll try that leg thing as well.

>>4985947
I actually hate it so much I ended up giving it this filename

>>4985955
you can't just say "i'm the guy who spent $2,000 on drawing courses" and move on
explain

>>4985955
Ok well I've spent 2000 dollars on LSD and I still havent turned into a celestial being so I dont get your point on wasting money.

>>4985959
Someone mentioned me earlier here in reference to someone else.

I drew this piece of shit and I'm trying not to suck ass now. I'm trying to take you people's advice.

>>4985967
you are a celestial being
*kisses u*

>>4985973

Where do people get references for porn?

>>4985999
from church magazines

where the fuck do you think?

arms

>>4985714
>>4985752
>>4985760
>>4985764
>>4985779

is this better anon

>>4986019
not that anon, but better. wide af and you completely ignored the face. be neater next time. if you're studying accuracy, imprecise lines are worse than pointless

>>4985999
hegrehunter,com

>>4985999
i generally save images from reddit

>>4986093
why is life so cringe, I can't even get the skin right wtf

>>4985655
Thanks. Hogarth looks like a sausage fest, and I don't want to touch photorealism with a thirty foot pole, but apparently he's the go-to option. Will try him.

>>4985795
texture, pen pressure, smoothing, overlay effects, off anti-aliasing, presets brushes, comic brushes, pencil brush.

Many ways to skin a human, just need to find the way you like it.

>>4985644
pro tip: draw boxes with isometric paper first.
And then move on to blank paper :)

>>4985902
No, this was my reference. But now that I think about it Slam Dunk would have been a better place for getting refs.

ajjjjjjjjjjjj

I think it cleaned up nicely but it took me way too long to get just this far.,

new

>>4986403
>>4986403
>>4986403

>>4985093
is that this girl

>>4985686
I can't offer critique.
Looks cool, tho

>>4985697
>non ref
it shows

>>4985787
I think that such small breasts shouldn't have such heavy outline, because that indicates that they are folding over like pic.

look at some examples:

https://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3161922

https://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3145726

>>4985920
>this book right
yeah this one.

>>4986019
much better anon, glad my advice could help

>>4986431
Yes

>>4984122
:(

>perspective made me stop drawing altogether
Fuck! Why am I too retarded to learn this shit.