/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

just draw with asian jeans

>>4967233
yeah, nosurf, nogame, nofap, nodrug

>>4967233
do it everyday until you like it

>>4967233
Get out of your comfort zone

Talent

>>4967233
Stop drawing, fucking retard

keep drawing, fucking retard

>>4967233
if you hate it so much just do another thing, nobody's forcing you to learn this particular trade

>>4967233
Stop being such a little bitch.

Draw things that bring you joy :)

>>4967233
if you are not enjoying drawing then stop drawing you stupid bitch

yeah, draw.

use an onahole

>>4967233
If you're being serious OP, it's clear from these two images. The first image has this positive idea of drawing, like it's all great and whatever. But the second image is that when you actually draw, it's rough. The disconnect here is that the first is fantasy, the second is reality. Live reality for what it is, then you can move on to the next step. Okay, it's rough, now what? Make it less rough, draw simpler things or things you enjoy. If it's still rough, why is drawing rough for you? Are you thinking about something? Misguided expectations? It's all in your head essentially, OP. Drawing by itself is not evil. It's moving a pencil on paper. That's like typing on a keyboard.

I enjoy it because i don't suck

>>4967233
Don't overhype the fantasy of drawing and learn to find enjoyment in the process rather than the result. You should just be having fun literally moving your arms around or trying to puzzle out how to draw something rather than getting anxious about how it looks at the end

>>4967233
look back on your works. You might find something you like.

the only people who will make it into the industry are guys who are willing to put thousands of hours into their work even when they hate it, if you're not comfortable with that prospect then you're better off working a boring, financially stable job

>>4967233
anon, you matter
what you do matters

>>4967233
its probably because you don't really have definitive process for drawing
you see an empty canvas and don't know where to start

most artists start with gestures then go to construction, and lastly tone

but then what is a gesture? what is construction? you then realize you need to learn that

but then what do you draw? what is your goal? what needs to be there? what do you need to study?

it's a lot of homework but once you've found those answers you'll have more confidence in drawing itself. the real issue is when the self hate is coming from something else

Yes. Drawing things you like

>>4967233
No. Drawing never gets easier. You just get better at handling the difficulty. When you start actually giving a shit about raw quality in your art, drawing becomes a highly masochistic endeavor. If you don't want to kill yourself every day while drawing, you're doing it wrong.

>>4967233
For me it's backwards, I have to force myself to
sit and start drawing, but once I start, I actually like.

>>4967233
Let the pain fuel your art

>>4967233
op i have no advice. i just want to tell you that iam like you and glad you made this thread

>>4967233
>>4971306
>Yes. Drawing things you like
This. If you're not having fun and you're forcing yourself to draw, then you're doing something wrong. You need to draw things you like in a style where you love the process of doing that style.

I think the style thing is where people fall flat. If you're not 100% committed to the process, then you need to change. Ideally, it should be easy and natural, not a struggle. Nothing should be tedious. Things become tedious when your style has parts that you don't enjoy.

For example. if you love the look of lineart but you actually hate the process of inking on top of a sketch, then you're going to run in to problems. It doesn't matter if you love sketching, coloring, detailing, finishing touches, etc. - if you know that you'll have to slog through the lineart to get there, then you'll struggle to find the motivation to commit to a piece and the very thought of starting it will be unappealing.

>>4972238
for most normal people is like this, but the autists at /ic/ seem to enjoy doing things that they HATE for some moral related reason

>>4971343
Dumb

>>4967233

>>4967233
a significant amount of willpower

>>4967233

i would suggest having a notebook of some kind with you. you can try to draw whenst thinking about drawring

>>4967233

"Put simply, your work is your guide: a complete, comprehensive, limitless reference book on your work. There is no other such book, and it is yours alone. It functions this way for no one else. Your fingerprints are all over your work, and you alone know how they got there. Your work tells you about your working methods, your discipline, your strengths and weaknesses, your habitual gestures, your willingness to embrace. The lessons you are meant to learn are in your work. To see them, you need only look at the work clearly — without judgement, without need or fear, without wishes or hopes. Without emotional expectations. Ask your work what it needs, not what you need. Then set aside your fears and listen, the way a good parent listens to a child.

Bayles, David; Orland, Ted. Art & Fear: Observations on the Perils (and Rewards) of Artmaking: 1 (pp. 35-36). Image Continuum Press. Kindle Edition. "

>>4967233
Try having some Fun with a pencil

>>4969780
Pretty much this. Stay 80% in your comfort zone for the comfy feeling and leave 20% for exploration.

Numbers are just a figure of speech, in practice just try to explore one aspect of drawing /painting you stuck at at a time.

If you still feel shitty, do a MacPiece (full comfort zone), just try not to settle in this.

>>4967233
one thing that helped me is to work on a bazillion artworks at the same time. most people who feel like OP pic have this "You're gonna eat those damn brussel sprouts and you're gonna like it!" -mentality where they literally do not allow themselves to have fun or work on anything except the one image that's giving them all trouble. Keep track of the road blocks and hurdles and think of fun ways to tackle those problems OUTSIDE the present environment. struggling with hands? draw monkeys. struggling with perspective? draw juice boxes and still lifes. struggling with fabric? draw like, wrinkly sphinx cats or something. Keep the pencil moving.

>>4967233
see:
>>4971513
>take a week off from everything that give you instant gratification. The Internet, vidya, television. If you can help it, don't even touch your computer. Leave it alone, find something else to do or just sit quietly and think about everything--life, what you want out of it, your story ideas, why you think you enjoy art. You could also write (just not by using the computer to do so; grab a pen and paper, do it the old fashioned way) or read, so long as you do the latter in moderation.

>Basically, quit all your bad habits cold-turkey, experience slight withdrawal from not having instant gratification, and give yourself time away from everything. Even if it's just for a single boring day. What you're doing is resetting your dopamine release back to its original setting to make pleasure and excitement seem greater in tasks that you, as of right now, do not enjoy. I have to do this once every so often because the Internet, not even 4chan specifically, will very subtly train me to automatically waste time and create this ugly routine where after working for the day I'll get home and immediately reward myself by doing nothing.

>If I step away from the Internet and give myself a break from it? Miraculously, after even a short time away from it like a week, I suddenly find myself taking pleasure in the little things again. Drawing, writing, cooking, even housework. So have a boring couple of days doing nothing, or go for walks outside or something, but stay off of technology. You'll be so fucking bored by day 3 that you'll actually draw because that'll become preferable to whittling time away.

>It really does work and what's more, if you take your time to enjoy your work then you will prefer to continue doing that over shitposting and watching videos.

cut out fats and sweets to enjoy savories again, op

>>4974499
>>4974516
This is good advices op. Don't get too attached to any one nugget of wisdom either. If you start overthinking it, it will suck the life out of it. No one wants something that feels stale and dry, they want something playful and bouncy and full to the brim with life.

>>4974537
this is so fucking hard to do I can only manage a day before I fucking relapse and go overboard, not only that I start drinking and smoking again during my relapse, fuck guys

>>4967233
for me it's the reverse

>>4974537
Adding to this, this is for the initial "detox". What works for me on a day to day basis is limiting my time to engage with certain activities to certain times. 4chan, youtube, etc. (anything not learning or work related) can only happen after 6PM. Waking to 6PM is for work or study only.

If it helps you, there are browser extensions for chrome like stayfocusd where you can blacklist sites according to a schedule, or limit your daily amount of allowed viewing on certain sites.

For example, you can limit your pornhub time to 1 minute.

>>4974688
>pornhub to 1 minute
Let's be generous and round up to 2 at least.

>>4974688
>>4974697
all i need is 30 seconds

>>4967233
Im the opposite. I hate thinking about drawing but once Im doing it Im having fun.

>>4974703
Plenty of animals take that long, i mean it's just got one job to do right?