/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

IM G-GONNA D-DRAAAAAAAAW

>>4974030
AHHHH IM LOOOOOMINGGGGGGGGG

>>4973091
Screenless tablets don't have parallax or cause back issues. Now you'll understand why some of us prefer them. I've been rocking an intous pro m for years. Never had a single issue and I've produced plenty of awesome art with it.

You haven't even gotten to the real trouble part of screen tablets where the monitor dies yet.

>>4974040

>>4974044
I am so getting a screen tablet when my intous dies out.

>>4974052

>>4974057
Intuos take a very long time to die so you might be waiting for a long time.

>>4974074
Well, does screen tablet die fast?

AHHHHH IM READING LOOMIS AHHHH IM LOOOMMMINGGG AHHHHHHH

>>4974075
I sometimes hear artists complaining about their screen tablets having to be sent in to get repaired. There was even some weird DIY fix someone posted back on /ic/ for monitors that had gone kaput years back.

Which art profession, or any means of income, in illustration and painting, would you consider a great entry point for someone who just wants to get their foot in the door?
I illustrated for a novel once, but they found me on craigslist and it was extremely small time. I wouldn't mind doing more like that though. Where would one even look for a similar opportunity that isn't craigslist or fivver?

>>4974084
Draw COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM
>unironically

Might as well ask it here, but what did cutesexyrobutts do to get good? I read somewhere he studied (at home via youtube/books) classical painting techniques etc, but has he ever talked in detail about what he did?

Daily Athena. Volume was interesting using different pencils. Neat stuff.

>>4974084
Art is fucking bad for money. You'll get more doing burgers unless you are going to debase yourself by doing porn right now especially weird porn.

If you look on industry job advertisements, almost all of the entry level ones want Photoshop, zBrush, Maya and 3DSmax. You should pirate a copy of all of them and learn them all. And make a portfolio.

I'm a big /lit/fag. Almost all of the novel covers are made by artists with very good portfolios on artstation. Authors won't contact you, the publishers will. Authors don't even get any say in the cover of their book. Research this further by finding an art discord with industry connections. Iirc there's one for concept art at least.

>>4974108
Lol always funny to see DFW complain about the clouds.

>>4974093
>eye precision
>avaibility to see form and put in 3d
>based on 3d form knowledge, you can put lights and shadows
>advanced coloring: cool/warm tones
>then, just paint. Even churn some fancy brush strokes for some feels
and practice.

>>4974094
Draw simple organic objects, fruits and plants, before you move to humans.

>>4974120
Yeah, I would but I’m not gonna piss off the gods.

>>4974093
Well I assume that since Cutesexyrobutts is allegedly two Chinese guys, they probably got the classic Chinese art education TM.

If you are unaware, Chinese parents widely consider art to be the shittiest profession in existence. China's pretty much a third world country. Doing the best for one's kids and making money is considered very important. Parents might be neutral, disapprove or threaten with excommunication unless the hobby is discontinued. Surviving artists get good because they want it so badly they either risk getting disowned or they want it so badly they have successfully been practicing in secret. China also teaches art in the classic form, from life drawing and bargue plates/rendering statues. A lot of Chinese artists get good because they grind autistically. With so many people, standing out is very difficult and work ethic is encouraged from a very early age. For example, kindergarten is when they first schooled. Art prodigies might be schooled as early as then.

Pretty much all art improvement can be linked to copying from life or copying from art masters. And fundamentals of course. If you want their style, draw exact copies of their art. And work on fundamentals.

>>4974121
I am not sure the gods will appreciate what you are doing...

>>4974122
>master studies.

>>4974109
Ripperoni in pepperoni

>>4974124
I had a dream where Athena agreed to help me if I draw her every day for a year. I’ll find out in December if it works or if I have another 10 months to go.

>>4973024
I have been a professional coomer for 15 years so hear me out.
1. Your girl is not thicc enough.
2. You need to make the pose front and centered
3. Please draw the men and give their hands something to do.

>>4974133
I think this is the highest quality, most specific advice I’ve ever seen on here.

>>4974133
post your other coomworks

>>4974133
1. I think thiccness is not required, you can draw any bodytype
2. Drawing the men is good but don't hide the good parts like booba

I fucked around and did a random drawthread request on /v/, is it bad that I really like using the pencil style brush more then the regular round hard as a beginner? Also hands are still hard

>>4974137
I delete them everytime after nutting.
>>4974145
> thiccness is not required
I have to respectfully disagree sir.

>>4974152
Well I respectfully question your "professional coomer" title's authenticity then, good sir.

>>4974145
Where we cooming boys?

>>4974152
>I delete them everytime after nutting.
Jesus christ dude

how is this?

>>4974108
Where might one look to work with book illustration. Is there a site that can match you up with publishers looking for illustrations?

>>4974108
I'd be happy making just as much as a burger flipper simply making art.

>>4974159
The top of the ear should be at eye level.

>>4974167
yeah i noticed that when i just posted it.
but other than that it's miles better than how i used to draw.
picture blackface but white and a tranny or something.
face looked so creepy

>>4974130
I don't think Athena is more likely about weaving pictures...

>>4974231
Look, I don't really know how this mysticism thing works, but this was during that period of when you are falling asleep into my actual dream state. I'm gonna keep drawing her until I get my bar exam results back in December. If I pass, then, hell, I'll keep drawing. If I fail again, I'll probably just cry for a long while and stop drawing. It's been pretty cool to have the same subject to go back to. It's what's got me back into drawing. I know it's not actually any good, but I've seen progress.

>>4974243
I am just telling you Athena is more about weaving than drawing...

Oh, ha! Well, in that case, I'll be okay with failing.

>>4974133
>Please draw the men and give their hands something to do.
Asbolutely godtier advice, you are doing gods work

Copying some Gil Elvgren for a family member. Still need to ink and color. As a standalone piece (since my copy already failed to be 1:1) is there anything heinous I did wrong?

>>4974295
The neck... not sure if right.

>>4974307
>>4974295
parmigianino would be proud

>>4974159
Is this drawn with a mouse?
Your lines are too heavy, this contributes to the creepiness. Turn down the size and accent areas with thickness later.
Have reference, even if it's not of a similar subject, next to your pic. Even a skull would help get the proportions right
Keep it up and keep drawing, that feeling of "I used to draw this shit so badly" is a god tier one and is a sign of those breakthrough moments. But you gotta grind some fundies, it needs loomis unironically, or any viable head costuction practice. Good luck

Any tips for getting better at bodies in perspective (and anatomy in general desu) since I want to start out as a coom artist? I constructed these using boxes btw

>>4974334
10s, 30s, 1 min, 2 min, 5 min, 10 min and 30 min gesture drawings. You're starting to build up some skills but your poses look stiff and some insertions aren't quite right, do those gesture drawings and study the 3d shapes of each body part (ie the shape of an elbow at different flexion points, knees, neck etc)

/ic/ is dead and this is the thread that killed it

Comments? Simple value study.

amateur quickly drawing anatomy from memory, which are my biggest mistakes? is this a bad way of practicing?

>>4974454
reference?

>>4974463
Seems fluid and practiced. Good form. Try different body shapes or muscle anatomy studies

>>4974468
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/e7/e5/45e7e5d0428dff9299c76751b84b3fec.jpg

>>4974307
Then neck seems fine. It looks thick but maybe it's supposed to be? I'd presume she's dikey with the short hair anyways. Maybe just thin the neck a little.

Nothing heinous. just remember to spread out the shading when you ink it out. Currently all the value is centered on the character's gown. It doesn't look right and it looks like she's carrying something from afar or at first glance.

>>4974474
thanks lad

>>4974523
Thanks, yeah the neck is too thick. No she's not meant to be dikey, just copying the pinned-up hair from the original reference. Also I'll post an update when I start actually laying down values and stuff. Hopefully it'll look better then.

is drawing aLL of the muscles of the body and understanding where they are the jist of learning anatomy?

>>4974621
pretty much, the bones, how they move/dont, the muscles and where they attach, how they contract and why. Where fat lies under the skin and that’s pretty much it, but you’ve gotta do all that independently for the body, the face and the hands because they’re kind of all as complicated as each other

>>4974621
You only need to learn surface anatomy period unless you want to become a surgeon or illustrate anatomy textbooks/horror with realistic illustrations.

>>4974638
Personally I found it helpful to learn everything from the skeleton up, since all thr muscles build on top of each other, if you dont learn the inner ones then the outermost ones dont make sense

the essential angles
from imagination

still life 1
am i doing this right

>>4974652
you do anything that isnt a 30 second sketch? im curious to see your actual work

Kinda proud how this turned out

any critique?

>>4974633
>>4974638
Cool, gonna start with bones. How should I go about with learning hands and feet? I fucking suck at them. I used only a textbook picture of a skeleton as a refernece for this and couldnt get the hands and feet to look normal. Ive noticed when I draw stuff I either hide the feet and hands or I put shoes or use a reference. Sometimes I even get tempted to just trace a hand position and paste which is basically cheating. I wanna stop this shit

>>4974718
Mouth is really skewed, keep practicing

>>4974735
Yeah, go post in the loli anime thread you perv

>>4974735
I like it.
Also your deliveries on /v/ are really good compared to most of the shit there, dont be too down on yourself. And sure, every piece has flaws but yours arent the jarring kind that turns the image into a meme like pic related. Drawing is a perpetual state of learning, and if you arent learning youre stagnating and failing

Do all pro charcoal artists use stumps to blend?
what's the secret to subtle transitions

How do I stop being so messy? Any exercises for this sorta thing?

>>4974760
Yep, I see it, thanks. And yeah, I plan to do a lot of portraits to get better - it just feels good to not be as intimidated by them as before.

>>4974743
Well go for accuracy. Trace if you can't get accuracy. Then try drawing it without tracing. Even if you have to use a grid and do lots of flipping, mirroring etc and it takes ten hours to get one hand accurate, do it and keep doing it.

The way I got myself out of /beg/ was look, draw, check. Look at your /ref/. Try and draw it perfectly. Overlay ref over drawing and check for issues.

>>4974813
take ur finger and fukin rub it

would love some critic

>>4974826
instructions unclear: I fucking coom'd

>>4974826
I just tried that but my finger isn't cooming. What am I doing wrong?

>>4974828
Were you trying for uncanny valley horrifying shit here or no?

>>4974825
>The way I got myself out of /beg/ was look, draw, check.
That is exactly what I have been doing, pretty much how I learned proportions and faces. Guess Ill just keep doing what has been working

>>4974828
It looks like you removed all the outlines.

>>4974832
>>4974832
got some inspo from pic

>>4974837
When objects overlap they create outlines. Please use outlines. .-.

>>4974836
mz device isnt meant from drawin so its glitchz when zou trz tou outile.i hate it wanna buz a new

>>4974841
althou see this >>4974841
i will try my best .ugh i hate this device

>>4974813
Use overhand grip to shade and don't press so hard into the paper.

>>4974852
Mild problem I have: too light and I can't see the lines, too hard and...well...yeah. How fix? :v

is this a good skull without reference?

>>4974828
>tide pods

feel i got the roundness of the eyes a bit more today, still trash though

>>4974828
Were you one of those brainlets who took the tide pod challenge?

>>4974907
ok improved eye more

>>4974912
are you the guy from earlier asking for a reference photo? this is good

>when you finally get through pages 68-93 on fun in a pencil
jesus christ i thought i'd never get out of that hell

made this dude

>>4974869
>>4974813
Try using light sketchy lines to find the form of your drawing. Think of it as molding clay, slowly building out the forms and shapes. As you build it up you can apply a bit heavier strokes on areas you're confident on. Unless your Kim Jung Gi you're not gonna just freehand make perfects strokes off a blank canvas. The light lines serve as a guide for the actual drawing.

Pic related are two sketches, one with a pencil brush that varies is size and opacity the harder I press. The other is unresponsive to pressure, it applies the same amount of pixels regardless of how hard I press. The bottom one looks messier because the light exploratory strokes are easy to see. The top is neater because the exploratory strokes are very light.

>>4974908
low iq bant

could somebody please red line?
I'm trying out posing in perspective

>>4974918
thanks man, your art inspired me so i wanted to draw it as well, yours turned out better but im happy about mine as well

>>4974921
soul

>>4974925
her big toe looks like a bellend

>>4974925
>>4974735

just give up. it's so cringe seeing people trying to draw porn before even they understand the human figure.

>>4974929
>before even they understand the human figure
and why do you think hes drawing? its practice, the advice "just draw" isnt just a meme, like you actually gotta be out here drawing stuff

>>4974931
the purpose matters. It's like if a fat tranny walks up to you naked and asks you how they look. just keep your clothes on and don't ask me for shit

>>4974933
eh, like drawing porn compared to just normal anatomy study drawings is really not going to make a difference when it comes to learning the body, as long as youre doing some sort of anatomy course as well

>>mfw can't draw for shit

>>4974929
could you at least tell me where I went wrong?
I spent ages studying anatomy and was pretty sure I got it right for the most part.

>>4974944
go ask in draw if you want a proper answer or even make a new thread

Need critiq plz

>>4974926
I think yours turned out well. Thanks for the kind words. What are you drawing on?

By the way if you like that just draw arno breker sculptures

>>4974950
>arno breker sculptures
these are amazing thanks

i use csp with the tablet xp pen dec001

>>4974933
>>4974929
I think your a tad retarded, mate. Drawing porn is probably the BEST way to study anatomy. Youre drawing naked people, theres no way to hide your mistakes with clothes or other things. Aiming to have a drawing be erotic is way more difficult then aiming to have a drawing look "good", so it requires more effort to achieve a good result. And drawing poses and figures for 1000 hours doesnt magically give you the still to draw and properly place a vagina, a butthole, or a penis. Too many times have I been to a figure drawing class with a nude model and the students either draw on underwear or make their genitals look disfigured.

>>4974946
But I'm /beg/ shouldn't I ask here?

>>4974953
np

nice i have wacom intuos and photoshop 2020. DESU most of my brushes (where i feel really made the difference for me) came from torrenting the Ctrl + paint guys website

I draw nakey lady and many nakey lady posing. Pencil is stupid because it’s never sharp when you need it and it’s always too sharp when you don’t! I am blaming my tools! The irony!

>>4974010

have any of you had success with drawabox?
i recall it being debated heatedly here, with a lot of people disdaining it, but looking at it it seems ideal for a low iq retard like me
i'll prolly try anyway but i'm curious about your thoughts/experiences

>>4974652
No offense but do you trace? I notice a lot of wavering lines and small unsure strokes and chicken scratch in almost every work you've posted

>>4974925
OOOOOOHHHHH PEDOOOOO!!!
AHHHHHH

>>4974828
this looks like something from a itchio horror game

>>4974801
There is charcoal powder

>>4974925
did you try using a pose software? since that you like those type of pose it should help you a lot

>>4974929
>don't draw until you know how to draw

>>4975001
What posing software should I use? Are there any free or piratable ones?
If so where can I get them?

>>4975008
>i cant read btw

>>4974925
very nice but super looong torso

I can't keep drawing these quickposes.com pictures. I didn't realize how horny I'd get drawing girls thighs and tits. Give me strength friends.

>>4974925
>redline pedoshit
No way fag.

>>4975016
do boys

>>4974972
I did it a few years back, it didn't took me out of beg but helped me a lot with controlling my lines, before that drawing was like writing with my non dominant hand.

>>4974972
learn form and perspective, that flying apparatus just looks terrible

>>4974925
Thr titties looks like buns

>>4975029
sorry meant for >>4974967

>>4975021
This feels really gay anon. None of them are even hard.

>>4975025
Well, that sounds acceptable. Thanks anon.

>>4975032
draw /hm/ then

>>4974949
context?

>>4975029
Pyw, n.

>>4975011
I normally use blender or a wire frame armature, there is the webapp.magicposer.com/ but it does not work on my browser so I don't know if it is good.

>>4975052
thank you

>>4975036
Well, drawing the male figure felt far more normal, if only because I used to stare at myself a lot when I used to work out regularly. Neat.

>>4975030
hot

are you becoming the type of person you want to become anon?

>>4975038
Just wanted to draw some honey ants.

Can someone help me with this
I can feel is wrong in every way but my brain cant figure it out
help

Even though I'm still a /beg/, can I AT LEAST stop being a /completeretard/?

>>4975091
nose in the source image is more upturned I feel like
your lips are a bit bigger
your eyebrows are a bit higher which changes her expression
your lips are a bit lower
though it never hurts to take a break from drawing and look at it later with a fresh perspective

>>4975091
I guess at this level, they say you can't photocopy but you clearly know how to construct really good.

>>4975091
How large is this drawing?

>>4975071
Sure as fuck am.

>>4975097
thank you anon
i will try to post a corrected version
>>4975134
like 5x 6 inches, I should draw bigger?
>>4975098
thanks anon, for the motivation

>draw picture
>looks like shit
>go do a study
>draw picture
>looks like shit, but with improvements
>ad infinitum
Is this the cycle?

>>4974010
Anything to help me with facial expressions?

>>4975161
you forgot
>draw a picture
>looks like shit, and also it looks worse than before and you could barely remember how to operate a pencil while doing it
part of the cycle.

whenever I want to draw, I just come to /beg/, to remind myself, that even all of the beginners are already ten times better than I am, so I get sad don't want to draw anymore.

>>4975172
Wait until you check out/draw/

I didn't draw for a year and I'm feeling lost now. I've been thinking about going for the basics again. What materials do you suggest for figure drawing? I tried Proko Premium, but his methods for drawings, even his gestures, look stiff when I tried them.

>>4975163
A mirror

>>4974463
your torsos and heads are weak. but good job overall

>>4974718
Good work, The back of the head is a little flat though. Heads are rounded in the back, not flat.

>>4974962
keep drawing from reference and keep drawing what you see, not what you think you see.

>>4975209
What if im a fat, ugly fucking retard

>>4975065
draw bigger. A full person per page.

>>4974925
this is nice to look at. i like it! I hope you had fun drawing it.

I know the face is fucked up, any other feedback?

>>4975236
It's boring

>>4975216
I’ll try harder senpai! It’s really hard! Like the eyes and other parts here. Ahhhhhgggggg.
>>4975218
I really should. Dunno the psychoanalytic reason as to why I keep drawing small. This one I used almost the whole page!

>try to seriously learn how to draw
>head starts spinning and I feel like I'm gonna throw up

>>4975287
Take your time, no need to rush

Here's something I fucked up recently

>>4975278
Okay. Full pages. Still hard to guess the full page. Ahhhh. Drawing what I see. Easier when I found a charcoal pencil and started drawing overhand. I can actually shade. Pens were making things really hard because I had to keep trying to find the lines. Now it’s easier, even if it mostly seems like lines. But I can now communicate shade. Happy I found random images of thigh highs. My faces still fucking suck. If I could figure out the right way to make them fit the whole page I feel like I’d have enough space to play around in it with an eraser. Ughhh.

>>4974925
UOOOOH, /lsg/ might be more helpful

>>4975008
yes

Can you tell me why there are two bumps on her pelvis area between the end of the rib cage to the greater trochanter. Along the sides, I can only recognise the bump from the illiac crest.

>>4975404
Study anatomy you faggot fucking weeb

A sketch I decide to take past the gesture stage, not used to draw characters sitting nor pretty boys.

>>4975468
> pretty boy
Where is the bulge?

>>4975475
that can be arrange

>draw for hours
>not sure what the fuck is wrong
>am I off form, is that even such a thing
>72 dpi

I am retarded XD

>>4975500
What does dpi do?

>>4975507
More pixels means more correct colors and cleaner lines. Lmao

>>4975507
Dots per inch, low dpi means less pixels per page, less pixels means shitty looking drawings

>>4975500
Thinking in dpi, yep, retarded

>>4975459
I am and that's why I'm confused. there shouldn't be two bumps there. All I can think of is fat that cause the extra bump there.

Any critiques or feedback?

References used

>>4975074
>>4974949
well ants legs don't connect to their ass and it is a little flat aside from that it is good.

>>4975096
no

>>4975217
are you so fat that you cant emote?

>>4975553
Perspective good and dynamic but the poses are really stiff even though they're at a dynamic angle. Get more gesture in those poses man, push the line of action but dont break it, exaggerate it.

>>4975500
at the end of the day what really matters is the total amount of pixel, since that the same amount of pixel can have different dpi and different amount of pixel can have the same, it end up being confusing, dpi/ppi are only useful if you want to print it in a specific size.

>>4974010
I want to star drawing. After reading sticky and lurking around for some time I want to start with Robertsons ,,How to Draw", then Loomis ,,Figure drawing". I think I will get solid fundies from 1st book and then learn a bit about drawing humans from second. I know that it will take a long time for finishing How to draw but I'm ready. Any suggestions or advice before I jump into it? Also I want to start with pen and paper. I have a tablet but I don't want to complicate the process with software.

>>4975509
>More pixels means more correct colors

Hello I'm studying coloring, what is the best way I am meant to copy and study other people's coloring?
How many layers should I do for full tones, mid tones, highlights and anything else.

I find it easier to use a brush and an airbrush, is the air brush cheating?

How should I be doing this?

>>4974010
Fuck off Happy boy.

>>4974010
is the nose and lips here flattened?

>>4975676
>is the air brush cheating
fuck no
>How many layers
there's no rule for that either, whatever makes you feel comfortable, I'd do skin rendering on one layer but that's me

Made a sohei tiefling for a DnD game. How do i improve colors/shadows? Then again that's probably not all that is wrong with this abomination. I can't draw hands.

Why do my warmups always take 5eva
I was going to paint something but then I forgot and just kept noodling on this one

ugly trash :( I wish I understood how construction works. I don't know why I just can't grasp it. I try and fail every time, even after watching youtube videos on how to do it.

>>4975713
>I don't know why I just can't grasp it
>even after watching youtube videos on how to do it.


maybe go get a proper course like a fucking book or a full video course from AN ACTUAL teacher like villpu, not some shiity fucking youtube videos

>>4975553
What did you use to learn perspective?

>>4974652
anon is this ink or pen ?

>>4975727
You're not understanding this at all. What you are doing right now is called mimicking. Mimicking is when you learn how to do something by watching someone else do it. Miminged skills are rarely correct. Additionally, when you're doing a task completely differently from how it's done in the given situation, you're very likely to do it wrong. When I first learned how to drive, my dad taught me in this rusted out piece of shit car that was WAY too fast for the road I was driving on. The car was so old, it had no shock absorbers whatsoever. And what did I do when I first started driving? I crashed the fuck out of that car. Do you know how many fuck ups I made before I could drive something even slightly stable? About a gajillion. That's why driving is hard, and you're going to make mistakes. It's fine. Keep doing what you're doing, kid. You'll get it eventually.

>>4975711
This looks cool if done with a japanese background. Got potential, dont give up oj this piece.

>>4975751
Digital

>>4975759
i know it's digital but is this ink ? and if so what brush ?

>>4975511
Not that guy, but I wonder if that is why my lines look like shit on Sai compared to Krita, I'm also stuck on Sai because it's the only one my 10 year old laptop can handle well. Gonna test this later.

>>4975764
it is not the brush, it is the skills.

>>4975812
i was also on 720px 72dpi
But i was retarded trying to figure it out LMAO

It was so small that is why everything is so pixelated XD

>>4974925
NOOOOOOOO, THIS IS PEDOSHIT, DELETE IT RIGHT NOW.

>>4975468
>draw a girl
>call it a boy
this shouldn't be allowed

>>4974706
yes, don't want to show my work but here is another portrait done to try out painting in autodesk sketchbook.
>>4974981
nah might just be I haven't gotten used to drawing on the ipad
>>4975751
its the default one. Fountain pen in the Basic brush set from Autodesk Sketchbook

>>4974010
Havent drawn in well over 3 months now. Picked up a bust copy my friend had lying at home and draw it, i dont know how to shade with graphite without ruining what i did though.

>>4975711
the worse thing for me is the folds, they don't look like folds at all, just by looking at some references and doing some studies you should be able to do much better

>>4975791
was you running out of ink?

>>4975874
it is fine she is a 1000 years old dragon

Here I am again, is Proko the best resource for leraning proportions while I am studying gesture? This is my current anatomy level

>>4975981

>>4975982
idk anymore

I feel like my faces are getting better but they still are silly looking. Also anatomy. Also I'm really starting to hate boobs now. Its tiresome

>>4976028
Practice construction for a while.

Is there some kinda handy cheat-sheet for where stuff in the face should be placed and how the pieces relate to one another? Eyes, ears, nose, top of the lip, eyebrows, hairline etc.
Just something that I can pull up at any time instead of having to retrace an entire anatomy book

>>4976039
I actually drew that to take a break from practicing construction. Whats the specific thing that looks fucked up?
>inb4 everything

>>4974828
Feedback from an ultra-pleb beg: all memes aside from comparing with your reference image I feel like something's off with the shading, like your color choices and also the fact that it's just too smudgy and unsure.

>>4976041
There's a page like that in a loomis book ircc.

>>4976043
Just wanna disclaim again that I'm an ultra pleb way below your skill level but I notice stuff I'm currently struggling with mysef:

feels to me like she's missing her hips, kinda important to a female form. The shoulders also seem a bit misaligned compared to her torso. Pretty sure the chin is supposed to be a line that goes straight down from the middle of the head instead of curving inwards. Also jawline seems a bit big. Facial features are a bit symbol-draw-y. Pose is a bit too safe and stiff and lacks dynamism, that's what figure drawing is good for. I think we beginners kinda fall for the trap of depicting stuff in a very "matter of fact" way and it's kind of a trap

Otherwise I think it's solid and you're on a good trajectory. I'm too intimidated to draw even half bodies myself at my current level so don't feel discouraged. Hopefull you can get some better feedback than mine though

What is wrong with my loomis head?

Don't tell me I'm retarded, don't tell me I'm not gonna make it, don't tell me I'm not using construction; tell me WHAT IS WRONG with it. Be specific.

>>4976048
>NO LIKE BOOK WANT SPOONFEEDY GRAPHIC

>>4976062
This but unironically, a cheat sheet would be great. That said
>>4976048
I'll look for it and I'll make a screenshot of it for my art folder, thanks

CUTE BABY ANIMALS ARE SO FUCKIN CUTE AGHHHHHHHHGHHHHHHHHHHH

>>4974828
>>4976044 is right. To be specific, not enough range in values and it's bland due to the lack of color in the face and shading. a bit of ambient occlusion and color helps the illustration, as shown in pic related
while colorpicking your drawing, you seem to go straight down in value to shade. try studing lighting and see how not just value, but saturation and hue change on surfaces, particularly skin

>>4976052
Critique from someone new in art is still incredibly useful. Thanks for the response

When should a person stop posting in /beg/ and start posting in /draw/?
Is there a rule or do you just hope no one points out your /beg/ drawings in the draw thread

>>4976090
any beg can post on draw, here you are to get critics, there not

>>4976043
I would simplify and do 3/4 view full figures.

>>4976054
Try thinking in 3d, Make your contour lines travel along the entirety of the head, like a circle. Make the line lighter where the sphere gets hidden by the head. Your head curves a bit on the sdes, its not a sharp edge

>>4976080
Damn, good to hear I was onto something. I feel like I learn and "know" more about drawing than I really do to practice it. Still better to warn people that I'm not talking from experience
>>4976083
No problem

>>4976093
Both stickies of /beg/ and /draw/ say to give crit, are you saying the /draw/ thread culture doesn't give crit?

>>4976067
Not if you draw them tho.

>>4976107
One day I'll be able to draw cute animals as cute as they really are! I'm not gonna give up crab-kun!

>>4975981
there is no best resource, you should try everything out and decide what will work better for you.

>>4976043
do you have difficult controlling where your lines go? if so I would suggest draw a box

>>4976142
I did drawabox and it helped a bit. I have nerve damage in my hands and feet from chemotherapy (Peripheral Neuropathy). My wrist shakes/twitches if I lock it try to draw with my elbow or shoulder, and drawing from the wrist is just naturally wobbly. Used to be much worse, I couldnt even hold a pencil for about 2 years.
>>4976097
Ill try this later today, thanks

>>4976150
Damn man, that's rough to hear but also inspiring. Godspeed in your endeavors

>>4976152
Ive been on Remission for 6 years so I should be safe for now. Fucking nerve damage is the worst. It onset right as I finished my last cycle of chemo. My feet are always ice cold now also

Does anyone knows how to render dark skin? I know how it works for light skins, I just need to shift the hue to red from yellow when transitioning to the shadow area, how should I shift the hue for dark skin when rendering?

>>4975091
Your angle is off. The picture is not directly straight on, her face is slightly turned to her right. This will slightly affect the proportions you should draw.

>>4976279

>>4975500
It looks like her eyes are literally stickers that are pasted on. You're drawing symbols still.

>>4976304
these won't make them look like this pic, right?

>>4976313
does your drawing software have a tool called eyedropper?

>>4976150
I see, well just keep doing the exercises as a warm up from time to time then.

>>4976316
yes, but mixing only 2 colors isn't enough for skin to look like skin

First time doing a "fully" "rendered" character... This shit sucks bros. The hair is the worst part. I need to use references next time and pick a lighting situation that isn't mainly diffuse light. Which of the courses on digital painting from the torrent do you guys recommend?

>>4976328
then ya better start studying dark skin tones

doing this monochrome study right now but im a bit stuck. feedback or suggestions on color, values, composition or whatever else welome

>>4975727
Where vilppu drawing course? I don't have cgpeers account

>>497605
learn how to draw ellipses.
learn how to draw boxes spheres and cylinders.
learn how to find midpoints in perspective.
actually read loomis instead of glancing once at one picture, guessing at half the lines, and then stopping.

Something I see a lot particularly with portraits is that people greatly exaggerate the shadows to make details read better. How exactly do you learn how to change things from the reference like that? How do you take a face with barely any shadows on it and know where to add them to make the nose and cheeks and lips look properly defined?

>>4976652
Knowing the shapes of the face and the direction of the light, try looking for photography using candle light to see better the contrast

>>4976667
Ah this is a face planes thing isn't it? That would make sense.

My drawings are not as cool as i want then to be. Help

>>4976732
It's not bad. I would work on more confident lines and better shading technique. When crosshatching, try not to go with the form and then against the form. Or just fill in the shadow so we don't see the hatching. That and just keep going with figure drawing!

I just went over your lines with long, confident strokes and big flat shadow shapes. Hope that helps you visualize it.

>>4976743
Thank you anon, I appreciate your thoughtful response and your drawing. I'm surprised by how good your drawing looks when it is so simple.

I feel like I more or less have learnt the anatomy (shape of skull, torso, muscles in general), but I can't figure out how to render properly (hatching, shadows etc), and that seems to be the most important part to make a drawing look good.

How can I improve?

>>4976761

>>4976761
you peaked already, go find a curator ASAP

>>4976781
finally I get the recognition I deserve

>>4976466
literally on this board anon

https://mega.nz/folder/YlpAlKJY#uFGaGkuSO0Ti8U7EzQbyMw/folder/0kI1HCbZ

if you cant find this shit i feel its too late for you

and heres to anyone else in this thread, you have unlimited resources from the greatest teachers in the world that is worth thousands of dollars in a link right there GO AND FUCKING DO A COURSE

>>4976805
https://pastebin.com/7NzNyn9B

and heres even more for you retards, now go learn,

"bu buuhh but its overwhelming! what do i do"

just pick one and stick to it

>>4976805
>>4976809
thanks

i think i should use thinner lines than this, but idk

>>4976846
desu i don't know what i could do better

>>4976894
you see the links above? click them

>>4976897
so just everything

>>4974010
shinobu jacobs cus of the NMH ports, yes i know its fucked (especially the right leg)

Should I begin drawing with paper and pencil first or should I directly jump into using graphic tablet?

>>4976918
its your choice, paper and pencil reinforce the idea of getting the line correct the first time or fucking it up, but realistically speaking it's more for fun, basically 99% of artists do their shit on a tablet now, it's more efficient and tidy to draw your drawings on a computer, personally i still think paper is nicer for more complex projects (anything thats 10 hours plus) since its something you can physically show a person

Yep Cock

>>4976052
>I'm too intimidated to draw even half bodies myself at my current level so don't feel discouraged.
break out of that thinking anon, draw what you wanna draw and don't be dissuaded by worrying because you know it'll come out bad, its part of learning and it never goes away, you will always be intimidated by the thought of drawing something your weak at, it sucks to look at your own stuff and cringe but it's better than being stuck forever without learning because you never even tried

studying faces now also....just started doing it so not good i think but eventually i will draw comics.

also should study hands and feet

>>4976927

>>4976759
Thanks, yeah just take it one step at a time and consciously make decisions. It will come with time.

>>4976927
Saw your works on May. They haven't changed much.

>>4974010
how long does it take to draw hentai

>>4977008
I draw on and off, so yeah i'm not really improving.

>>4977011
Weeks, sometimes over a month

>>4977015
sick

SUGAR.

//

>>4977019
that's per drawing. good luck.

i feel so sluggish i want to keep drawing but i can't

day 2
i love getting no critique from the /beg/ thread

>>4977024
where do i start?

>>4977033
Find a photo ref you like and draw a character you like doing that pose.

>>4977030
rub your pencil against the paper more
you have like two values here
push ten

>>4977038
hey thank you, i'll apply this for tomorrow
i have a lot of trouble creating different values in pencil, how should i work on that

I’m learning portraiture

>>4977044
try your damndest to get a BLACK (no gray) curve at the base of the apple, then work from there
blend with your pinky, keep pushing values into it with more graphite

>>4977047
nice lobster man

>>4977050
i appreciate it anon
more questions if you don't mind answering:
> dark to light, right
> do i use my soft or hard pencils first
> i thought you weren't supposed to use your fingers to blend because of oils on your fingers
> does "pushing values into it" mean draw dark, then when it gets lighter because of blending draw over it again?

>>4977053
What?

>>4977056
jbp is lobster man

>>4977056
isnt that jordan peterson?

>>4977054
>dark to light, right
Generally it's the opposite because it's harder to remove value than to add value. I just need you to establish a baseline for what you should aim for. You have zero black on your page so you should get some there rightaway to understand the range of values. Black to white, not gray to white.

>do i use my soft or hard pencils first
Really experiment. It can be the same idea with removing (soft is easier to erase and remove signs of error).

>i thought you weren't supposed to use your fingers to blend because of oils on your fingers
I've never heard this. I only say this because I doubt you have a stump or some tool to blend with. I use fingers all the time with no issue (albeit when you get to the more representative/realism area, it gets harder to make subtle changes with a finger).

>does "pushing values into it" mean draw dark, then when it gets lighter because of blending draw over it again?
It means you establish a form. Reevaluate. Establish more tones. Revaluate. Establish more tones. Reeveluate. Establish more tones. It can mean the process of moving from a line sketch to a fully rendered picture.

>>4977058
>>4977057
Oh I thought you were making fun of the way I drew his hand

>>4977060
i'll be better tomorrow for you, anon

>>4976904
Bro, are you purposely hiding the features that are hard to draw? Anywho, did you have a reference for this? Usually when i wanna draw an OC i just overlay clothes on nude ladies. im also shit in construction.

can anyone help with the lower body the feets look off to me

Daily Athena

>>4976080
sorry for beeing late but thanks guys

If I just draw what I want, ignoring basics and proportions, will I feel the consequences later on?

I'm obsessed with a particular style and really don't care about anything else.
It's better to try it instead of not drawing at all, right?

>>4974010
where do i go from perspective

>>4977000
I wanna fuck that dog

>>4977117
Read the sticky dude. After perspective its anatomy and gesture if you've already done construction and observation

>>4977102
>It's better to try it instead of not drawing at all, right?
probably

>>4977102
just draw you're gonna fail and not get it right away but the more you draw the better you'll get

goodnight /beg/ maybe you one day you will find happiness

new

>>4977182
>>4977182
>>4977182

>>4975888
You only draw asians? Huh.
Good stuff either way, now that you don't trace i will own the jealousy, especially since all those heads are imagination, that is insane and you should post in /draw/ instead

>>4976062
Drawing on the right side of the brain around page 370.

>>4974010
/beg/ seems a little bit out of my league
is there a sub/beg/ level on /ic/?

>>4979571
yes
www.reddit.com/r/art