/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4963769
All he did was make her skin darker and kept her face white. The hair is just messy straight hair too.

>>4963769
eh, I cared more for the people who made their own characters instead of just black versions of pre-existing ones. I mean, why do you need a specific month to do that anyway?


It was something seeing black people vs japanese people about the situation though.

>>4963769
It was the greatest thing that has ever happened
All the whites and japs seething over the art is priceless

>>4963769
Its kind of pathetic, really.

FUCK NIGGERS AND FUCK TRANNIES

>>4963777
I see your point. While I believe it's nice to see fanart of characters portrayed of a different race more than expected, I think it would've been nice if there were more drawings of original characters made.

>It was something seeing black people vs japanese people about the situation though.

Hmm, can you give me some more details on that? I don't recall seeing anything about what Japanese people thought about the challenge so it makes me curious.

>>4963790
>Hmm, can you give me some more details on that? I don't recall seeing anything about what Japanese people thought about the challenge so it makes me curious.

The short of it was that some didn't mind, some were bothered by it because it felt like they were "Erasing another POC to prop themselves up" and others were wondering why the Blacktober alts were fine but Japanese artists were dragged through the dirt over some characters having lighter skin tones in art.

a lot of black people in response just defaulted to calling them Racist and/or claiming the japanese users were sock puppet accounts ran by white people. Which would be too much effort especially since the japanese posters were speaking in legit japanese.

It's Racist.

>>4963790
It was whites LARPing as japs claiming it was racist
And epic centrists trying to pull whataboutisms for fanart

>>4963769
>I drew myself!
No you drew an anime girl with dark skin.

The artist themselves is most likely ugly as sin.

>>4963769
>blacktober
can these baboons actually come up with something fucking new for a change except stealing shit like always.

>>4963806
>It was whites LARPing as japs claiming it was racist

Do you have any proof of that?

>>4963784
>it was the greatest thing that ever happened
Are you retarded? The greatest thing that ever happened was seeing the POCs and Nogs seething about "muh whitewashing" Nessa and other things. I'd gladly see it again.

>>4963806
Yeah totally white people LARPing. There's no way it could be actual Japanese people confused and/or upset about their characters being black-washed so some people with fragile egos can feel better about themselves for a month.

>>4963769
was tempted to do white versions of black characters just to show them how hypocritical all this is

went to her instagram, how old is she? she cant barely draw lmao also where did these 150k followers came from

>how do stop racism
>by appreciating each race of course
>no such thing as white history month

>>4963769
I think that niggers tongue my anus and they're also need to came up with something of their own.

>>4963769
Dont care but I'll talk a bit about my first tike doing inktober this year
Overall it was a nice experience. I'm normally a digital artist whos new to drawing as a whole, so having an obligation to do at least one traditional body/head a day in pencil and ink makes me feel like im actually trying more than I used to. Ive been doing digital still daily, I acrually feel like my line work has been getting a bit better after trying my hand more at trad, it really teaches you good habits you may avoid on a digital canvas, like looking at the overall drawing and not zooming in too much, or learning to either erase and redraw or deal with your mistakes instead of pressing undo with no consequence

>>4963785
cope

>>4963847
white culture is the prevalent in western society

>>4963914
>>
what anime?

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

>>4963821
It's fun seeing people seething over arbitrary things regardless
>>4963847
It's already been done. Between pic related, that asian sailor moon, and that Nessa monkey artwork, controversy is a great way to get noticed in the art world. You just have to play your cards right.

>>4963914
Working hard isn't enough for art.

dont care if they make em black as long as it isnt lame ass tumblr redraw tier. if it has soul and incorporates nigger symbols into it adequately it's all good.

>redraw most likely traced
I don't give a shit what you shitters try to claim, drawing on top of the reference layer is tracing no matter how many "lines don't overlap".

>>4964013
She has a speedpaint linked. she didn't trace anything.

>>4963769
you do realize next month is going to be Blackvember right?

Reminder that Japs want to look white so bad
That's why they're especially mad that their "Japanese" characters are getting blacked

>>4963954
Denki gai
It’s about dorks working at a manga store. Pretty enjoyable

>>4963769
Never discuss anything beside white straight topics here, it's a waste of time

>>4963814
>blacktober is the only time inktober's concept has been stole
Must be hard being this dumb

>>4963788
Only correct answer.

>>4964070
>Denki gai
thanks man

>>4963769
On one hand its an interesting concept that I like in theory but the execution of it as a blacks only event where western artists majority reshape eastern media into their own image doesn't sit well with me at all. I absolutely loved seeing race redesigns when done in good fun but now it's largely done as a way to "fix" and "correct" things that it'll never change due to it being a work that doesn't belong to them and especially not a work that comes from a country with a completely different view and culture on these things. I know in the end fanart will always be the best way to get attention but I really wish at the very least it focused on celebrating existing black characters if not pushing for people to create original content with a focus on blackness and stuff. If people cared so much about representation as they said they do then they would be working really hard to create more hard permanantly works that properly represent black people rather than continuely representing them temporarily through the occasional black fanart redesign that feels a lot like a cheap way to get quick twitter likes.

That said, there has been some nice art and designs to come out of the tag and even some original content made. I'm just a bit burnt out after having to put up with watching this grow and be claimed to be "for the sake of people like me" for the past few years when it's never felt like it was for my sake at all.

>>4963769
Political virtue signaling/black exceptionality delusions

>>4963785
This. Honestly, It made me feel second hand embarassment every time I found this shit on my tl. Its like niggers are not only fragile faggots crybabys but they're so much stupid ignorants of their own culture and mythology they just do what they do the best, stealing other's.

>steal two months of the year by burning the entire US
>there's already black consciousness month or some shit like that every year
>OH I KNOW, let's make another month to celebrate niggers!

When the Asian century arrives, these people will regret their gluttony.

>>4964202
There will be no Asian century.

Seething chinkoids

>>4963806
Twitter is huge is Japan. Some of them were definitely actual nips

>>4963769
I love how niggers are causing their own genocide. In fact niggers kills niggers.

>>4964203
China will rule us all with a red iron fist and we'll learning mandarin.

>>4964541
I don't mind as long as they get rid of the CCP and become a democracy like the USA. I fear they want what's in mainland globally if they were to ever rule the world, which they won't.

>>4964542
but anon, imagine all the asian jeans we could get?

>>4964543
That’s why we need a war with them. The market is too saturated as it is.

>>4964541
China has made far too many enemies, and what few friendly relationships they have left are strained (Russia due to the virus and China's threat to take their land; Iran), resulted blocking or boycotting their products (EU), or are in economic freefall (South Africa).

>>4963769
Stealing other's art, typical.

>>4963769
I'm not sure why they needed a specific month to draw black Deku or some shit. I guess they thought it would keep people from pointing out the hypocrisy of it all but lately I've come to find out that Black Twitter is really good at pissing off everyone with double standards.

The people who propped up their own made characters are fine, but simple race swaps are fucking weak. Especially when they act like white people and "racism " are stopping them from actually making cartoons and comics

>>4964202
China will fall into the middle income trap

>>4964176
Best post. Creating original black characters is always better than race-swapping.

>>4964192
Your fault for not unfollowing anyone at sight that retweets garbage like this.

>>4963953
I wonder why that is, and if it's a bad thing?
Also wonder if the the niggers dominating sports and music dont count for anything.
Apparently, whites succeeding is racist.

>>4963769
When I made self insert fan art for video games movies I liked, like the little narcissist I was, I would make my own donut steal.

I'd make my own sonic character
Id make my own saiyan character
I'd make my own lord of the rings character.

I wouldnt kill the main characters replacing them with me, thinking people would love it and suck me off in their stead.

>>4963790
some people were drawing the black pokemon trainer from ss white and people got upset and started to yell at artists who whitewashed a "beloved" npc from a game (lol).
the argument was also generally accepting it was okay to draw white characters as black, people hated the cognitive dissonance between the argument and basically went to extremes just to make fun of the people and send the message "stop telling us what we can and can't draw"
pic related was a bombshell in the argument and drew the most angry response, remember people telling the artist "the art community is small, this will have consequences" and shit like that, was mildly amusing.
then everyone forgot it happened in like two weeks and arguments were had over other unimportant shit.
heres the link to pic related tweet:
https://twitter.com/evulart/status/1141854858280079360?lang=en

>>4964576
People always say this but then go on to never-ever talk about or even rt/share original black characters.
The fact of the matter is that social media prioritizes posts that can fit into an algorithm and are easily searchable. Until social media companies figure out a way to make it easy to find original work and consumers start accepting original work more than derivative work the fact will remain that making derivative fanart of any kind will always be more beneficial than making original art if you don't have a following willing to support your original work. Why would I design and draw artwork for an OC that will get 20 likes and one rt when I can redraw a frame from an anime and have saved all the work of having to design something and think of a pose and get 20x the likes and retweets?
>>4964623
White culture is dominant because whites made themselves dominant. Centuries of imperialism, domineering in markets, abusive trade practices, warring with smaller countries for resources, and then refusing to buy/accept foreign media for a long time made it so that white culture is dominant.
>Also wonder if the the niggers dominating sports and music dont count for anything.
Why would it count for much? The players are mostly black but most of the administration is white (inb4 echoes) and the sports were invented by white guys. 99% of the black rappers dominating charts will have dozens if not hundreds of white people either engineering the instrumentals, helping write lyrics, or managing the PR. Keep in mind that while the artists and athletes may be black, they're being selected and backed by corps mostly made up of white people.

>>4964642
>People always say this but then go on to never-ever talk about or even rt/share original black characters.
The free market has spoken, and if you listen closely, you'd see miles Morales succeeding, and people wanting Static Shock to make a comeback.

Also, blacks have built little to no culture to sell their black characters. You want whites to support it, but what about blacks? WHITES NEED TO BUY IT WHITES NEED TO LIKE IT, WHITES NEED TO RETWEET IT. Japs didnt give a shit if whites didnt buy their manga, japs bought japs shit. Once again, blacks are blacks worse enemy.

>its a white invention
Oh cry me a fucking river. Again japs buying jap shit using a white invention of comics. Hell, video games too, and many other things. Again, blacks are blacks worse enemy.

>whites made whites rich with abusive trade deals
Oh fuck off. Why would anyone not trade in a way for their own benefit. Learn to make proper deals, and learn to break deals that dont work for you.
>whites helping write lyrics
Oh shit, helping is now racist.
Guess prince shouldn't have wrote songs for Cyndi Lauper.

Pathetic.

>>4964657
Your entire post reeks of idiocy and missing the point. In an effort to point-by-point respond to my post like the average channer dipshit you miss the forest for the trees and the whole point whiffs right over your head.
>Oh shit, helping is now racist.
Perfect example here. You're dumb enough to conflate "helping" in the sense of a friend helping another friend with a task and "helping" in a corporate sense where your manager says that the focus group isn't responding well enough to your lyrics so they send in 4 white guys to "help" you write lyrics that appeal to the focus group rather than reflect your artistry or tell your story.
>Why would anyone not trade in a way for their own benefit
Another example of you being retarded. Abusive trade deals as in threatening to completely withhold trade to a country or industry unless they completely kowtow to your demands. Hostage negotiations may be great for your end in the short-term but they completely destroy markets and innovation. Also like how you completely glance over the 5 other things because its harder for your to swing war and imperialism as great things.
>blacks have built little to no culture to sell their black characters
With what means do you expect black people to "build a culture to sell their black characters"? What magical buying power do black people have to completely reshape the art landscape and if they have this power then through what magical logic have they not used it?
>Japs didnt give a shit if whites didnt buy their manga, japs bought japs shit
Are you genuinely going to sit here and pretend that black americans have or had anywhere near the buying power as one of the greatest forces of industry and innovation through the 20th and into the 21st century?
>and people wanting Static Shock to make a comeback.
If this is what the free market wants then why hasn't static made a comeback? Static is owned by WB. Black people can't just resurrect the character on their own.

>>4964657
>Japs didnt give a shit if whites didnt buy their manga, japs bought japs shit.
They care now, if at all, but before the american manga boom, yeah, they didnt really care.
A lot of manga, and video games, dont even leave their country, but are still successful in their own culture.

Now look at Latinos. They dont have much of a comic industry, but they have a huge music industry for themselves. White people aren't buying their stuff, but latinos are making latino musicians rich. There are huge names in latino cultures whites never heard about.

Blacks simply dont support their own. Everyone knows this. They know blacks steal and dont tip. They got to have whites and other races support their work.

>>4964696
Blacks do support their own. If you've been to any inner city at all ever you'd know that there are plenty of hood startups and mini music labels for people to spread their shit. The fact of the matter is that a small black neighborhood doesn't have the buying power that a country does. Compton doesn't have the buying power that japan or mexico have and there isn't any real way for a black artist in Compton to connect with black art buyers from Memphis or wherever. A mexican musician or artist can go to a mexican record label or a mexican art gallery and since mexico is mostly mexicans then obviously there are more buyers of their nationality. A mexican creator also has the advantage of being able to market their work in spanish, which means that other mexicans can more easily find them just through looking for spanish work. A black artist might be able to put their work in a black-owned gallery but aside from that gallery's customers that artist has no real significant way to reach black buyers other than through competing for attention on social media and at that point they might as well just try to appeal to a wider audience since it's more profitable.
There is no logistical way for a black person to appeal purely to black people. There is no logistical way for a black person to easily find and support black creatives aside from hoping on an offchance that the artist has it in their bio or uses a hastag but if they do that then people like you will complain about virtue signaling or identity politics.

>>4964691
>Oh shit, helping is now racist.
>Perfect example here. You're dumb enough to conflate "helping" in the sense of a friend helping another friend with a task and "helping" in a corporate sense where your manager says that the focus group isn't responding well enough to your lyrics so they send in 4 white guys to "help" you write lyrics that appeal to the focus group rather than reflect your artistry or tell your story.

You wanted money.
Like white people dont make similar sacrifices.

>Also like how you completely glance over the 5 other things because its harder for your to swing war and imperialism as great things.

Its 2020.

>With what means do you expect black people to "build a culture to sell their black characters"? What magical buying power do black people have to completely reshape the art landscape and if they have this power then through what magical logic have they not used it?
>Are you genuinely going to sit here and pretend that black americans have or had anywhere near the buying power as one of the greatest forces of industry and innovation through the 20th and into the 21st century?

Looking at the long line of blacks buying ps5s and Nike shoes, yeah, they have buying power. Even if their small dick buying power isnt big compared to whites, they still have enough cash flow to shape corners of the markets for themselves
>>and people wanting Static Shock to make a comeback.
>If this is what the free market wants then why hasn't static made a comeback? Static is owned by WB. Black people can't just resurrect the character on their own.

The owners, not dc, are sitting on it.

sup pollacks

>>4964721
>You wanted money.
How is this point not an example of the failure of the market? If a black artist wants to create work then by your own admission they can either stay true to their creative vision and suffer for it or they can take the paycheck and let the white corporation sanitize their work for a mostly white audience.
>Like white people dont make similar sacrifices.
They do but white people have enough market presence that genuine artists will more frequently have the opportunity to pursue a career where they don't have to compromise their vision as much.
>Its 2020.
How is that relevant?
>Looking at the long line of blacks buying ps5s and Nike shoes, yeah, they have buying power
"Black people can buy shoes and game consoles sometimes so therefore they can buy as much shit as one of the leading global economic powers."
>they still have enough cash flow to shape corners of the markets for themselves
Depending on how you define "small" they are already doing this. Cities like Houston and Compton have their own small art scene where they support home-grown artists its just that few or none of them filter into the mainstream and so you don't know about any of them.
>The owners, not dc, are sitting on it.
That's literally what I said. I said that WB owns it and isn't doing anything with it.

>>4964719
So all this justifies blackwashing white created characters? This justifies and easy out? This makes white people evil for not buying black washed characters?

You have competitions, like everyone else jumping through hoops. White artist die in obscurity like any other black creator, no one gives a shit.

>>4964735
>wants blacks to not sanitize their art for the white man by sacrificing their creative integrity
>its okay to sanitize your art by blackwashing white/jap characters

>>4964736
>So all this justifies blackwashing white created characters?
It explains it. Whether or not it justifies it depends on your moral system. In my opinion it justifies it but I'm not the moral arbiter of art.
>This justifies and easy out?
Absolutely. At the end of the day an artist has bills to pay. If I have the ability to feed myself or pay my bills with art and all it takes is a slight sacrifice to my creative freedom then of course I'd take it. We can wax poetic about artistic purity or whatever but until a person is financially stable enough to do whatever they want with their art there is always going to be pressure and incentive to sell out. Social media is designed this way.
>This makes white people evil for not buying black washed characters?
Who said anything about evil? You're projecting like mad. All I said is that people who complain about black people not making enough original works aren't doing black artists any favors by ignoring original art or supporting derivative art. If you want to see original art then you have to help create incentive for that original art to exist.
>You have competitions, like everyone else jumping through hoops.
This point actually strengthens my argument.
>White artist die in obscurity like any other black creator, no one gives a shit.
How is this relevant?

>>4963769
It was fun and there were some really good ones. Wonder if there's gonna be more people doing that throughout the year. I would like to see it.

>>4964756
You're confusing my descriptive statement with my prescriptive statement.
Descriptive: There is a financial and social incentive for black artists to sanitize their work to appeal to a more lucrative audience
Prescriptive: People who want artists to not have to sanitize their work should do what they can to create incentives for those artists to not sanitize their work

In an ideal world everyone makes whatever art they want to make. In the current world people make whatever art puts food on the table. Due to the reality of current economics it is entirely justified in my opinion for a person to make derivative works if it helps them not succumb to poverty.

>>4964769
Cool.
Glad we can agree that black artist work are only worth buying if they are derivative and cheap imitations.

Kind of a shame really. Given that some derivatives are worth more if the artist puts in more effort to look like it's not stolen. Guess blacks cant work that far.

>>4964779
It's always nice to see /pol/tards pretend to have an "honest" conversation while completely floundering and then they take an exit by completely twisting the point around like a pretzel. I enjoy watching you people prove yourselves to be utterly incapable of higher thought.

>>4964786
>wants higher thought
>is fine with low effort derivatives that dont require higher thought

>>4964792
>Is angry that people make low-effort derivative work
>Doesn't care that the market and social media deliberately discourage high-effort original work from being made

>>4964800
>being originall means its woth something
At least I could admire the integrity.
Have any links to originall works?

>>4964810
I do, but none for you. I follow plenty of people that make original art but given the board we're on and the fact that you've spent an hour spilling spaghetti, I get the feeling you'd give me shit for whatever I linked. How about you just go through search results yourself and find something you like.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23blacktober%20oc&src=typed_query

Even the japs think their characters are white

>>4964817
I cant go through search results because.
>>4964800
>Doesn't care that the market and social media deliberately discourage high-effort original work from being made

I thought I side step it and go the old fashion route. Dont want to rely on the white mans inventions.

Black people should probably stop drawing digitally, because it's a white man invention.

Anyways, Happy Halloween niggers. Hope Thanksgiving is going to be good for you. Good to be thankful. Except dont be thankful for white man inventions. Damn whitey.
Anyways, Marry Christmas.

As predicted, the /pol/ack exists by twisting words and earlier points into an unrecognizable puzzle of mental gymnastics. I mentioned sports being a white invention offhandedly once to point out that black athletes didn't create sports culture and it is now twisted to imply that I somehow despise the inventions of white people or wish to stop using them entirely. Hell will freeze over before /pol/ discovers the secrets of logic and reading comprehension.

>>4964817
Talk about black fragility.
You have so much trust in your fellow blacks that you cant handle a single troll, or a few. The cards are in your favor. The artist are on twitter, and tumblr(which have been showing the BLM tag on top trending for months now.) People would rally to your defence. Yet you cant take a potential hit.
Social media is killing black OCs, but,
>>4963847
This pic, pretty much.

Why cant black people just create things for black people without ragging on others' creative works

>>4964870
retard

>>4964874
That's all you have to say huh

>>4964800
>social media sucking off black dick for years now
>THEYRE HOLDING THE BLACKS DOWN!!!

>>4964877
>That's all you have to say huh
Maybe you should actually look through the thread
Didn't know whites were so illiterate

>>4964884
chimp

Why are whites so fragile? It’s just a drawing.

>>4964889
Yeah they really freaked out over nessa being drawn white oh wait lmao

>>4964869
>People would rally to your defence
We're on 4chan and the past hour+ of replies has been one or more retards coming at me and yet you want me to believe that if I posted original art from a black artist that people would defend me, as if you didn't just pop into the thread to label my post as black fragility.
If I don't post then you and the /pol/ack bitch about hypocrisy or fragility. If I do post then you'll rip the art to shreds and give me shit for posting garbage. I don't know why you expect me to believe that the average d/ic/k would stop crabbing to be nice to black people.
>This pic, pretty much.
Sure, because amazon posting a black square or netflix putting a few already airing shows in a collection is helpful. I didn't know that you could pay your rent with social media "solidarity" or that corporate wokeness prevented people from getting called nigger in the street. After all, it was the board of directors at amazon and google that devised the Civil Rights act themselves.
>>4964882
Here comes /pol/tard with the mental gymnastics. He thinks that algorithms aren't real and that social media is magically helping black people through some vague means that he won't explain

>>4964895
Indeed, just like how they freaked out over nessa not being dark enough or think every anime character is white.

>/pol/ /pol/ /pol
Wew lad

>>4964896
Nah, I'm saying, on your home turf, your safe, they'll lick your wounds.
You will get hit here, but it's only your ego.
And maybe, if the OCs are worth a damn, you might be surprised based on their merit.

Still, you have a large home base to where getting hit here, shouldn't be a problem for you. Cause you're not going to die.

>>4964735
>how is it being 2020 relevant

It’s relevant by virtue of you bitching about past events as though you or anyone else alive were personally victimized by them. You don’t see whites people complaining about the Barbary Slave Trade.

>but muh police brutality still exists #BLM

Blacks are killed disproportionately by police because they commit crime disproportionately. Blacks commit 50% of all violent crime in spite of being 13% of the population. You think a group of people that commits more crime wouldn’t be killed by police more often?

>But muh blacks are still impoverished

Yeah, by their own decision making and maybe some discrimination 60 years ago that made their forefathers poor. A nigger became president and blacks have affirmative action and civil rights acts, there’s nothing keeping them down but themselves.

>>4964856
>>4964896
>>4964902
>ree /pol/
>thinking chimptober isnt political in and of itself
god damn roasties

>>4964913
Dilate tranny

>>4964902
instead of addressing the point the /pol/tard instead takes time to make it known that they don't like being called /pol/ and shift the focus of discussion onto their distaste of the insult
>>4964909
>on your home turf, your safe, they'll lick your wounds.
plenty of artists on twitter who participated in blacktober had to deal with constant racism and being called nigger by internet edgelords.
>And maybe, if the OCs are worth a damn, you might be surprised based on their merit.
Are you implying that the average black OC isn't worth a damn?
>>4964911
>It’s relevant by virtue of you bitching about past events as though you or anyone else alive were personally victimized by them
I didn't know that history only started yesterday. It's interesting that you seem to believe that the past somehow has absolutely no bearing on the present. If past actions don't affect future actions then why do people do things to try and affect the future?
If you can't into cause-and-effect then I don't believe you have the capacity to understand anything about politics
>>4964913
>everyone I disagree with is a femoid!!!1111!!1 reeeeeeeeeee

>>4964916
>>4964917
only these roasties have IQ this low

>>4964889
black people can't talk about anyone being fragile after that Nessa shit.

Hell when black artists came out and said that lighting was a factor, they just ended up being called "Coons" by the angry black users.

A lot of them defaulted to calling japanese users "Racist" because they asked how come white washing was bad but blackwashing their characters was seen as "Good and empowering"

>>4964917
>plenty of artists on twitter who participated in blacktober had to deal with constant racism and being called nigger by internet edgelords.

I dunno man, I'm looking at the comments on a lot of those drawings from the Twitter link you posted. Nothing but praise.
It's also not like those trolls get banned.

Bros it’s time to confront my whiteness... so here goes. I’m sorry for slavery. I’m sorry my ancestors brought all these niggers and let them stay here to breed and fester so that future generations have to suffer because of niggers daily violent, greedy, stupid actions. I’m sorry.

>>4964917
>people saying the n word on social media and not getting ban
Yeah fucking right. Best you get is the rare meme image worth the word in it while two hundred other comments are going YASS QUEEN

>>4964923
>B-BUT NESSA!!!
Dial 8

>>4964923
Most of the fuckers that complained about that shit are white sjws who are trying to “help” minorities when in reality they are just treating them like infants.
https://twitter.com/artvalley818_/status/1320021421221818368?s=21

>>4964941
Kneel

>>4964942
Whites always want to be the ones that do good but blame blacks for anything they do bad

>>4964923
IIRC it wasn't even black people outraged over that Nessa shit. Just white sjw trying to find something to virtue signal over

why are people black

>>4964941
>dial 8
Isn’t that literally a /v/ meme phrase lol

>>4964696
>before the american manga boom
what bizarro world are you living in?

>>4964977
I think he means that japanese manga didnt boom in america until early 2000s, 90s, if we're being generous. Not americans making manga.

Why do rice monkeys hate their race so much?

I pray the day these threads will not exist on this board.

Amen

>>4964945
/thread

>>4964964
/thread

>>4964945
I am white and I think this is incorrect. I want that we exterminate all blacks. Is this good? I think it is, but I accept to be seen as the bad guy for wanting this.

Ultimately Whites ended slavery for humanity. We were in a position to exterminate anyone we didn't like. Yet we allowed the savage not onyl to live, but to grow within our completely conquered world.

And now some of those primates complains that we are good and looking down on them. Such is life in a syncretic society where one is the superior and the other basically a talking ape.

>>4965049
This is dumb autism.

>>4963769
We wuz kings!

>>4965063
Don’t the Japanese like watermelon just as much if not more than Africans?

>>4965073
Yes they do. They literally make entire animes, mangas, and even movies around that.

>>4965056
this thread is autism desu

#blacktober

I had to look up what Blacktober was like the boomer I am, and it is just blackwashing. I also watched her video and it is just complaining about race representation as a cheap cop out for race bending characters as it's fair to race bend a main character for the sake for them feeling included in a fandom. All this blacktober shows how fragile the SJW mindset is that you can't identify with the qualities of a character and need to change their skin to feel like they represent you. I didn't watch Static Shock growing up thinking, "Man, I wish I could identify with the protagonist, I wish he was white." Nor did I have to feel like John Stewart had to be white so I could like his character and "identify" with him. If you have a good character right from the get-go, you don't have to judge a character by their skin, but by the content of their character. Almost as if character in a character matters.

Reminder blm people are also pushing homosexuality on literal children.
https://youtu.be/PA0KTFdnBk8

If a white artist dies in obscurity, it's because merit.
If a black artist dies in obscurity, it's because racism
or it was black on black crime

>>4963769
Wouldn't care if it was just fanart without needing to force it into some political group think tank. If you want to draw a white character as black go ahead but don't forcefully connect it to some group ideology. Shit like this only serves to perpetuate racism by making inclusivity groups that scream 'yeah I drew a white character as black look how special I am'

>>4965082
>>4965063
>t.

>>4963769
It's fucking cringe and black people can't be original for shit. They just insert themselves into things created by whites and asians. Kiki is not fucking black. Fuck off.

>>4964202
The fact that they need a month to have people focus on their history is telling. We don't have the same for any other peoples. Why? Their histories are interesting and varied enough to celebrate all year round

>>4965423
go kneel

>>4965082
that's fucking hilarious good God

>>4964642
I do talk about and share original black characters when I can but they're harder to come across when everyone would just rather have racebent fanart of a character they're already familiar with. That's not always a bad thing but isn't it strange how one off fanarts of eastern anime characters are seen as a way to remedy to claimed to be very serious issue of the lack of black people/characters in western media? Of course fanart will always sell and get attention but if people really want a lasting effect and change on artistic media then they should do harder to prop up and support those original black characters and works (and even existing ones) instead of taking the cheap way out of it by drawing few one off racebent fanart of certain characters. No it's not easy and yes it takes lots of time developing interest and audience but I'd say it's something worth going after. I have black ocs that I post and draw that do contribute to any lack of black rep I feel there is but at the same time they don't exist solely for representation sake, especially since I don't put my sense of identity and self worth solely on my race. It's nice having characters you can relate to on a visual level but for me it's just fun in general to not be restricted to only designing characters of one race all the time which is probably still the only thing I will ever thank the silly sjws for.
>>4964959
It wasn't. She said she wasn't white but she was definitely light skinned which makes it even more insane that she was the one complaining about a picture being white washed (when it wasn't).
>>4965184
This is exactly how I feel. It's nice having a character that looks like you but its really shallow to not be able to relate with the character at all if they don't.

>>4965876

>but isn't it strange how one off fanarts of eastern anime characters are seen as a way to remedy to claimed to be very serious issue of the lack of black people/characters in western media?

The house nigs who run networks and are the "voice of the black community" don't want interesting, cool, original black OCs. They HATE their own race and their viewers and would rather bring back old sitcoms featuring an all black cast only to prolong their agenda on 'race in America' and that their viewers are eternal victims.

Secondly, blacks are 13%-15% of the population in the US but nowadays there is always a black character in media.

Third, most of these twitter artists who are deciding to redraw anime as black characters choose to do so because it's what they're familiar with. People draw Sailormoon because sailormoon is what they saw on TV. We're not even past a whole generation yet to distinguish the then from now as the 20-35 year olds are the biggest age demographic alive today. Most of which are trying to take the seats of the oldfags running things.

Now then, /ic/.
Can you tell who's the black poster in this thread?

>>4963769
>blacktober
this feels like more of a deviantart fetish rather than 'black empowerment' (won't be surprised if its a real fetish that exists)
If they wanted "more black characters" then they could celebrate already existing black anime characters, maybe get attention from anime producers/artists to tell them that they enjoy black culture or whatever the fuck. this whole thing is patronizing and quite honestly offensive- I don't get why its hard for SJWs to treat them like normal people than bring up race 24/7.

or maybe this thing was a 4d chess made up by a dedicated coomer who has a black TF fetish.

They just cant help themselves.

>>4965926
How is this a black persons fault? The director is white.

This thread is retarded
People unironically virtue signaling about people who would rather see fanart than literal who side characters and ocs
>Blacks should draw original characters instead of racebending popular shit
>Already have original works and characters but no one wants to see them
Another case of whites seething over blacks getting attention

>>4965948
a black hand typed this

>>4965951
>a black hand typed this

>>4965959
yaaas queen you go get em

>>4965948

>>4965959

>>4965948
Make OC worth watching.

Be a better black person and write a better white character than the white did.

Make OC worth watching.

Make OC worth watching

>>4963769
>what are/were your thoughts on the challenge called, 'blacktober'?
There's nothing wrong with alternative fanart that changes traits of pre-existing characters.
But the reason people are doing it is a problem.

Make OC worth watching

As a white boy. I watched fresh prince, Bernie mac show, my wife and kids, and other black tv shows. Because they were good shows.

Stop bitching and get to work.

>>4965982
>>4965988
>>4965991
>>4965996
>Just come up with several million dollars to fund a t.v. show and create a dedicated audience out of thin air!

>>4966048
yup here it is, well yer know what, be that way and keep copying other people's work you lazy monkey.

>>4966064
So because I don't have a spare 5 mil to fund a TV show it means I'm a copy machine? Excellent logic

>>4966072
I meant that's all you ever do

I wish one day someone would go up to Miyazki and tell him "why don't you ever do an anime with black protagonist" just for the drama of it.

>>4966072
You are doomed to only steal and cry about oppression

>>4965073
Who the fuck doesn't like watermelons though

It ain't even about stealing. Asians are masters at that, but they usually improve the formula or make an excellent copy. You fucking blacks always make so many damn excuses for yourselves and whine about success, and the smarter you get the better you get at it, like this drawbitch in this thread. Your entire argument can be summed up as "demz wytepipol r evil, we need dem moneyz for dem programz, yuh". Asians get their counties routinely obliterated by tsunamis and volcanoes and insane governments and god knows what else, and you know what they do? They don't sit around and piss and moan about their imperialist oppressor, no, they suck it up and REBUILD. I swear to God, blacks have a genetic predisposition to avoid personal responsibility, and unfortunately enough whites mixed with them to elevate their genepool to make better excuses and hone their fragile hatred of whites. I bet that drawwhore in this thread is an octoroon and wears her melanin as a fashion label for clout. Pick up a pen and create, you damn monkeys.

>>4964779
>/pol/nigger once again being obtuse, moving the goal post and a being gigantic faggot once his arguments don't hold any weight
Black people have been trying to create shit for decades and it always either dies in obscurity, actively destroyed by people with a agenda or taken and sanitized with ass-raping contracts. You can't blame a group of people for their short coming when they've been actively sabotaged for 3 generations.

>>4966074
>>4966094
Sick argument.

>>4964642
you say this, you Americans were loud enough for the whole world to support your BLM movement even when you loot for the wrong reason, the world defended your action.
But when Hongkonger had to face CCP shits Americans went mostly silent. Where were you black activist when Thailand had trouble? where were you when the other side of the world are on fire? Well of course you wont say anything about it because you're too busy being oppressed.

If you can organize your own national protest, I dont see how you can't make your own OC and inflate that retweet number among yourself.

>>4964057
20black21

It was very good! After posting about BLM some black people started to follow my art!
- auriel

>>4966195
You're upset that black people, whom are subject to the whims of the federal government and the United States economy, are not mobilizing to rebuild in the same way that Japan, one of the most powerful economies on earth, has mobilized as if black americans could decide tomorrow to just upend the entire economy. With what land are they going to do this? With what money are they funding the effort? What natural resources are they magically going to use to build factories or entire cities from scratch? Even if they did all that, which they have tried to do several times, what happens when the government pulls a Tulsa or recreates the MOVE bombing? The Japanese government isn't actively trying to destroy Japanese economic efforts.
>>4966271
Whattaboutism. I'm talking about people not supporting an art trend on twitter and you're redirecting me to "what about this national crisis", as if the entirety of American social media wasn't condemning the CCP. The difference between blacktober and HK is that blacktober is a cultural thing that can be changed through cultural participation whereas the CCP isn't going to release HK no matter how much I post on twitter and the U.S. isn't exactly planning to invade HK to liberate it.
>>4966280
There have been attempts to create hashtags like #drawingwhileblack that let people find black artists but people on twitter and /ic/ complain anytime somebody uses it.

>>4966367
I dont see anyone on twitter complaining about that hashtag
>ic
no one care what /ic/ think except you.
that hashtag ran pretty wild, idk isn't there a drawing #drawyourblackOC promotion

>>4964065
lmao, all these examples and all that matters is eye color and not having giant nostrils.

>>4966367
>CCP isn't going to release HK no matter how much I post on twitter and the U.S
it matter when there are more voice to keep the momentum going, if you black folks can keep doing this for centuries why cant the hongkonger? where is your support, if it it meant for a long time. You are inaction.

>>4966367
America is pretty absent minded with China to be frank. Right winger on the internet care about CCP shits, but most just dont even know what's with China. I'd say America economy is still politically in line with the Chinese regardless of what Trump is doing.

>>4966048
You think Eddie Murphy was rich before he started comedy? He worked, proved he was funny, made money and funded his projects.

The boondocks started out as a comic strip barely anyone knew about.

Blackdynamyite and afro samurai, sure, but hell man, its black OC people gave a shit about.

Man, you are fucking pathetic.

>>4966257
See
>>4965199
>sanitized
A black woman just made millions, singing about wanting a man to destroy her vagina.

>>4966560
Cardi B is not black you fucking mongrel. You dumb niggers keep pulling strawmen out your ass and not actually countering the argument at hand. No one says every time a black person isn't successful, its due to racism, but the idea that the black community as a whole wasn't sabotaged throughout American history by the powers that be is flat out ignorance at best and being obtuse disingenuous faggot at worst.

I wouldn't mind if it was fine to them both ways. Drawing black kiki is a-okay but the lighting making Nessa look paler is racism? They need to pick a side, either race bending is fine or it isn't, it shouldn't be one rule for me another for thee.

>>4966568
Yeah, retard, and you ignoring black success , black oc, and blacks that grinded to make it is ignorant, disrespectful, and disingenuous.

Fucking kill yourself you butt hurt faggot retard nigger. I'm sick of your bait. You deserve a fucking bullet. Jeezus.

>>4966557
>He worked, proved he was funny, made money and funded his projects.
I highly doubt that Murphy funded his movies on his own dime. If he did then congrats for him, but the most likely scenario is that a studio funded his movie and the main reason they funded it is because he was famous. There aren't enough white artists big enough to get a movie funded like that. If the average white artist or director can't get a studio to take their pitch how the hell is a black artist supposed to? Even if Murphy funded his project on his own I can't think of any visual artists outside of people who sell "high art" at auction that have the kind of money Murphy had. Are you really setting the bar at "roll the dice on becoming famous and then spend that cash to fund a project that hopefully people care about because you're famous"?
There are also famous and rich black people that have attempted to buy TV stations so that they can air project ts from black creators but they get shot down every time so it's not like being famous is the ticket either.
>The boondocks started out as a comic strip barely anyone knew about.
Yeah and it barely got funded. Studio execs HATED boondocks. If having a decent comic strip was all it takes to get a show funded then do you honestly think that every black artist is too dumb or lazy to meet that bar or that they've never tried that? Hell, Static Shock came out of the Dakotaverse line and most of the characters there did relatively well yet only static ever got a show. Hardware and Icon did just about as well as Static and yet only static got a show and they cancelled it after not too long.

>>4966574
What the fuck are you even saying? You're saying I'm baiting?

>>4963769
Isn't this blackwashing?

>>4966048
You don't need money to start a fucking webcomic.

>>4966913
>post specifically mentions TV shows
>retard replies about webcomics, as if there aren't already a hundred webcomics made by black people

>>4966919
>Post talks about TV shows
>"I can't, it's just too expensive"
>Sugest something that isn't as expensive as a TV show
>"We are talking about TV shows"

Then go try and make sucess as a YT animator. Make those animation memes with black ocs, animatics with black ocs, a webseries with black ocs.
There is no excuse, YT animations gather quite the attention too

>>4963769
I enjoyed it. In general I enjoy seeing different interpretation of characters.

It was funny seeing whites seethe like snowflakes tho

>>4966931
Fuck this I’m not dealing with this shit anymore, gtfo out my board, fuck niggers and kangz, fuck jannies, fuck trannies, fuck stuck up mayos, fuck retarded spics, fuck all you niggers, I can’t handle this shit no more fuckk

>>4963769
this image is a total mess. pure anime. no realist pill

>>4966946
Your white fragility is showing lol

>>4966931
Based
>>4966946
Kek the seethe.

>>4963769
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA THAT SHIT ASS BACKGROUND how can people be that lazy to the point they fail at repainting an anime pic

>PREESE SHTOP BRACKING OUR PURE WHITE NIPPONEESE CHARATURRR

Whites needs to stop worshiping chinks so much
Must be all the white guilt from Hiroshima

>>4963769
black ethnonarcissism is the cringiest shit. the media spent 40 years building up nigs to be the coolest of the coolest but you just need to say one word to turn them into emotional, egocentric, violent chimps.

blacks are a feminized race and the only other contributors to these racebending trends are white women who wish to turn black males into sissified faggots just like they did to their own men.

>>4967095
>blacks are a feminized race and the only other contributors to these racebending trends are white women who wish to turn black males into sissified faggots just like they did to their own men
go on

>>4963806
>it was an evil righty whitey scheme and also everyone right of me is a just a pussy right winger
I can recognize a leftist by the distinctive mental illness.

>>4966590
You don’t need funding nowadays you humongous faggot. This isn’t the old days. If you want to make your own animation you can get together a couple of guys skilled in animation and start your own project from the ground up. You don’t wait for some rich exec to save you from the projects or whatever.

It’s insulting to say black people cannot be successful if they aren’t handed cash to get things going. This is why black people are nonexistent in the suburbs and that their communities look nothing like up in the north because you’re all indoctrinated with waiting for handouts.

Murphy got up off his ass and worked for it. Murphy doesn’t owe you shit. And so do the rest who made it. There shouldn’t even be a support group by race. There should be so many successful black startups and creators that we move past needing to form a fictitious “community” built around support because you’re too less fortunate which is also a load of bullshit if you’re an American. By default all African Americans have so much opportunities saying otherwise is a huge joke.

>>4967155
take your meds, schizo

>>4963769
people draw racebending to make you seeth. you're all retarded.

>>4964832

>>4967323
Kek

>>4967323
>>4967336
samefag

>>4967095
>turn black males into sissified faggots
based

>>4967375
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggg

>>4963769
When is it whitember?

>>4967323
Tell me this is OC. I am dying.

>>4967323
not even an asianlet and this killed me lmao

>>4967375
That's pretty hot, but too bad niggers are too ugly to be traps

>>4967662
a white man typed this

>>4964895
>He seriously thinks blacks are SJWs

>>4967169
>If you want to make your own animation you can get together a couple of guys skilled in animation and start your own project from the ground up
Let me just quit my job and start up an animation team. If it was that easy then why isn't every suburban dipshit a YT animator?
Big animators like viv or projects like RWBY are either crowdfunded or funded through some prior early Internet success. I don't have Red vs Blue money to just up and start animating.
>It’s insulting to say black people cannot be successful if they aren’t handed cash
If someone can barely afford rent and only has an hour or two off of work how exactly are they going to make a whole series? Rich white animators can barely make it on YouTube much less poor ones regardless of color.
>Murphy got up off his ass and worked for it. Murphy doesn’t owe you shit
You're on a board with an entire lexicon dedicated to joking about how hard it is to make it in art and you think the reason black artists or animators can't make it is just because they don't put in the work? Murphy made it but plenty of black comedians didn't and there are plenty more today stuck performing in shifty bars or doing open mic at a coffee shop. If all it takes is elbow grease and pixie dust then why don't you and the rest of /ic/ have flourishing careers in art?

It's not impossible to make it but if original art already doesn't get as much attention as fanart regardless of color without an established fanbase then how are black artists supposed to all magically get noticed if plenty of white and jap artists can't?

>>4964065
Every retard knows Naruto was designed white as per word of god

Also every Death Note fan know's L is quadracial

You literally are showcasing 2 canonically white characters, way to go retard.

>>4967662
literally any race can trap with hormones

whites are one of the most dimorphic races and even they have some winners

>>4967864
>Let me just quit my job and start up an animation team.

You and I both know money isn't the problem here but a lack of talented animators to begin with. Assuming race matters in this context, you're not going to find a group of 10 black animators who are as skilled as chinese/korean animators on twitter and only 2 or 3 black animators I can think of on the planet comes close to asian output. If this was met, and you all shared on social media your talent and teased a project on all social platforms you'd gain the support and even the attention of the big players for funding.

But it will never happen because no group of black people who have such talent exist on the planet. That's why it hasn't happened yet. You're too busy waiting for money to fall off the tree while blaming whute people for their inherited Scrooge Mcduck vault 9ft beneath their suburban home.
>If it was that easy then why isn't every suburban dipshit a YT animator?

Not enough talent doesn't exist. White or black. So you're stuck with Doomics/late 2010s tier ironic animations.
Everything else in your post is money money money is the solution.

>>4967968
I should have figured that you'd be a literal weeaboo. If you think nips are so superior then why are you even on this board or trying to do art at all? You're likely not nipponeese yourself so by your logic you should quit before you embarrass yourself

>>4967979

I'm a weeb and black if it makes you rest easy tonight.

>>4967897
way to prove my point nigger
anime characters are designed with european/white features
also forgetting the other comparisons in the thread as well as light who is full japanese
and that example you showed those chinks look nothing like the girl at he top left

>>4965983
the same reason why conservatives shouldn't be mad about sjws dominating the media. if right wing people got involved in the arts and tech and made better social media platforms and entertainment than liberals, we wouldn't have threads like this

>>4967990
>and that example you showed those chinks look nothing like the girl at he top left
delusional /pol/nigger lol

>>4966048
>what is web animation
Hazbin Hotel managed to make one with a rag tag group of internet people; alot of nips love it and it even got its own japanese dub. It's a cliche saying, but all it really takes is dedication to make your own show.

Hell there's some low budget/minimal animation styles like Epithet Erased which literally uses the Paper Mario-like card board cut-outs and its still fairly successful.

Stop being a loser crab making excuses for yourself.

>>4968022
>Hazbin Hotel
>nips love it and it even got its own japanese dub
I wonder why tho? Is it the character designs that attract the Japanese crowd?

>>4968022
PLEAAAASE pyw anon

>>4968022
>>4965982
>>4965988
>>4965991
this logic is dumb as fuck because this is basically saying all black characters must consistently be exceptional to gain traction. However mediocrity has been copy pasted and praised in video games and anime and they still have no issue becoming popular. the only difference is that they have pale skin

>>4963769
kinda based

>>4963769
The whole premise of Blacktober is completely asinine. Imagine if people genderbent male characters for, say, Women's History Month, instead of celebrating women by drawing... You know, fucking female characters or OCs.
Same thing here, it's just retarded, and creates a ton of unnecessary drama because the fans of whatever IP you picked the character from may or may not be pissed after you gib'd their favorite anime character. It's justified, the exact same shit happens when a dark-skinned character get whitewashed.
If they want more representation they should make their own OCs or draw black characters instead of turning white or asian characters black.

>>4968356
I think the party that is reacting to #blacktober are more asinine than those participating in it. For what it's worth, whatever I saw on my timeline was just black artists of low-ish quality drawing Deku or Naruto as black or whatever. I honestly don't see the harm in this.

The difference I think with people going out of their way to draw Nessa or some other black character as white, is that it's usually done antagonistically, not just for fun.

Never knew it was a thing.
I’m enrolled in a top end Art program at a Uni in Europe (masters degree. Immigration proofing and job security in the future).
I never ever knew this was a thing, and the students here are solidly PC.
Maybe if you deleted that twitter account these things lose all their power.

>>4968360
Based. The whole concept is innocuous, nothing really to discuss unless you're insecure about something.

>>4968360
I don't really give a shit either about my nardo being draw black.
But when someone says that there's any difference between blackwashing and whitewashing, that's where I have to disagree. It's hypocritical to pretend otherwise, how do you know the intent of the artist unless they explicitely state it? For all I know the people who darken character's skin could do it antagonistically aswell. There are PLENTY of examples of people doing that on Tumblr if you want to get into the extreme cases.It's the exact same thing and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that.
And again, to celebrate black characters, I'd personally draw canonically dark-skinned characters, since they're the ones that are less represented in pop culture and would "need" more exposure compared to their whitey counterparts.

>>4968434
But Deku and Naruto is allegedly Japanese...

>>4968374
>Maybe if you deleted that twitter account these things lose all their power
but then who would know i exist? it's not fair that the libs run all the popular social media sites. they should be forced to be inclusive of my beliefs and ideals

>>4968374
>art program
>job security

>>4968593
>>4968593
>but then who would know i exist? it's not fair that the libs run all the popular social media sites.

No one knows you exist anyway retard, you are and will continue to be a nobody

>>4968383
Man I wonder just (((who))) could be behind this post

>>4968022
As explained above those projects had crowdfunding. Hazbin was carried by patreon and Epithet had a kickstarter if I recall.
If the whole issue is that it's difficult to get attention drawing black characters, and crowdfunding requires attention, then you have a catch-22 where you either sacrifice to attempt to be better than projects with white leads to (hopefully) get attention and support or you put in the same effort and get less results. Epithet has a black lead and made it so great for them but how many kickstarter projects with black leads ended up dead in the water (not to say white leads are guaranteed success either).

Do people here actually think there is no difference between Blacktober and Whitewashing?
There are two kinds of Whitewashing
Hollywood whitewashing is when they replace and or change a non white cast to white americans because they think that americans can't watch or enjoy a film with a non white cast
The other form of Whitewashing is when a black or darkskined character is usually lightened to almost near pale levels because they think they're unattractive or unappealing with dark skin
And it's almost always done by japanese, chinese and especially koreans because if you know how they feel about people with dark skin you'd know why they keep doing it
They worship pale skin and they think darkskin is undesirable they don't even like they're own dark skin asains
They have no problem drawing a dude as dark as fuck but when it's a female character they gotten lighten her up
There is also the way they depict black people compared to whites or japanese in anime and manga
Usually depicting them with "realistic features" big lips or powdered donut lips with wide detailed noses
While they depict japanese or white characters with the usual anime features like the minimalist or dot nose and no lips like your typical anime character because it's more or less attractive

>>4968980
It’s obvious anime is postwar psychological warfare to pacify the west. Everyone knows anime characters don’t look Asian, even the Japanese know themselves. All MCs are Asian male white female fantasy insertions. Have you noticed in a bajillion anime there is always this super traditional Japanese girl character who has the color hue of a Japanese pop singer and wears traditional Japanese clothes and mannerisms while everyone else is questionable? I’m actually lead to believe the entire anime industry is all collectively set in a universe where the axis powers won and Germany is in good relations with Japan.

>>4968996
Let me take a random example for the other point I made. This pic is the most generic to get the point across; the main girl has dark hair and Japanese traditional mannerisms. Usually the design of these characters are different from everyone else and are subtle background characters who never win harems, etc. They just exist solely to amplify the nationalistic nature that “this is japan, guys”.

Yet everyone else doesn’t look Japanese.

>>4969005
Another example to see what I mean. If you watch a lot of anime you can kinda get where I’m going at.

>>4969012
One more...

>>4963769
>spageti on the background

>>4968356
>Imagine if people genderbent male characters for, say, Women's History Month, instead of celebrating women by drawing... You know, fucking female characters or OCs.
I was trying to find a good comparison for this and yours is perfect. There's nothing wrong with either genderbending or racebending for fun but when you're doing it explicitly in the name of celebrating and representing something like race or gender thats when it becomes a problem. All the replies here about black people not having the resources or time to come up with their own original black characters or even draw more fanart of canon black characters seem like such a cope out to me. I know making ocs isn't for everyone and is especially more time consuming than just drawing fanart but then why is it a hassle to draw fanart of canon black characters? And while your original black oc won't get as much attention as racebent fanart of Goku as black (unless you already have a pretty good following already), at the end of the day at least your character will always canonly be black while Goku will still be seen everywhere as the pale skinned japanese character he always has been and always will be. And isn't that what matters most in the end, that there's more permanent canon black characters in the world that black people feel represented by instead of temporary feel good racebends?

If it's really about representing and celebrating blackness then people would be celebrating more that which is already black or creating them through original means. That's not to say you can't ever racebend a character but seeing how many people literally only do so for these reasons is sad. I get it's also for attention since people want to grow their audience in the fastest way possible but that still doesn't really excuse it and even makes it worse if they only commit to racebending characters for attention but refuse to try their hand at drawing fanart of canon characters or making their own.

>>4969054
Oh my god literally who gives a fuck, participate, don’t. Who the fuck cares, I have no idea how you retards have so much energy to rage about shit. If you think it’s wack just move on. People are always gonna do shit you don’t like, no amount of seething and outrage will change that.

>>4963769
>what are/were your thoughts on the challenge called, 'blacktober'?

It encapsulates the lack of self awareness and blatant hypocrisy that prevents so many black lead projects from gaining traction. For a large portion of black weebs when they look at a successful anime they don't see things like technique application, fundamental design principles, plot structure, innovation, experimentation. Just the superficial elements of a finished product and think "swapping in black people for the major roles will make something equally as good". So they wind up creating the Video Brinquedo version of a popular manga then blame racism for why people don't like it.

>>4969059
I'm aware of that anon, just trying to have some thoughtful discussion and get out some thoughts.

>>4969054
>All the replies here about black people not having the resources or time to come up with their own original black characters
That's never what I said. You either skimmed the thread or everything went right over your head. It's not that black people cannot cere original characters it is that those characters rarely get traction.
If I dedicate a day to art to try and build an audience I want to maximize the effectiveness of that time. If original black characters don't get any traction then that is a market pressure telling me to instead go make fanart or original characters of other races since those do better.
>why is it a hassle to draw fanart of canon black characters
Because I want to draw cool shit from the show. I want to redraw shots or use cool outfits or put the character in cute scenarios and there being a limited number of black characters makes that difficult. If I want to draw black characters from anime there's a short handful I can pick from whereas I can't swing a cat without hitting light skin and so I therefore have way more material to work with. There are a hundred thousand shots from naruto that would be fun to redraw or recreate from different angles whereas static had a slim few.
>And isn't that what matters most in the end, that there's more permanent canon black characters in the world that black people feel represented by instead of temporary feel good racebends?
There is value in both. Racebends are useful because they show that it isn't impossible to imagine popular black characters existing and that black skin can fit into modern aesthetics whereas OCs attempt to meet that challenge as a noble goal but have nowhere near the effect if only all of 3 people see them.

>>4963769
she forgot to add the price tag still dangling from her kiki's shoes

>>4963847
have fun doing that to all 3 canon black characters

>>4969183
Off the top of my head, I can name static shock, miles morales, the medic from apex legends, that machine nigga from mortal kombat, barret from final fantasy, the Tyrone from Detroit become human, all the boondocks niggaz, Lucius fox from Batman and Token Black from South Park. And I barely CONSOOM or view most of this stuff

>>4963769
if it's well made, then there's merit i think. But a lot if this is a "i want to have my cake and eat it too" sort of thing.
Pick whichever stance you want, just be consistent. I think the hypocrisy of it upsets people more than the actual skin color change.

I just try to ignore stuff that's fixated on race,gender, etc. This stuff is just a product of an identity-obsessed culture in my opinion. If MaRiO wAs bLaCk would he jump higher? The whole conversation just feels like a waste of time to me.

Interesting that people would rather racebend than support black creators and publishers like Comic Republic or Saturday AM. The guy who founded Saturday AM group built it up from nothing with his friends.

But I guess it's easier to make the false claim that all black people are retards living in poverty who can't do better than re-drawing someone else's OC with black skin in a time where self-publishing, web hosting, and marketing are available to the general public at the lowest prices they have ever been in history.

>>4969364
>Interesting that people would rather racebend than support black creators and publishers
did you really think for a microsecond that the woke crowd give a fuck about supporting anybody?
it's all marketing, this is why these people always use famous IPs for their shit
bitch in the OP probably didn't even watch that movie

>>4969364
I think I could write my posts in Latin and have less misunderstanding about what I'm saying than trying to explain it given the 5 or so times I've had to repeat now that I never said it was impossible or that black people don't work or are dumb.
At this point I think English language certification should be mandatory for posts outside of /int/ given the amount of illiteracy ITT

>>4969183
>Raven from Tekken
>Dudley and Barlog from Street Fighter
>Die-hardman from Death Stranding
>Alyx from Half-Life
It's not really that hard. If you said something like name Arab characters that aren't stereotypical retards then I'd have a problem.

>>4968383
Any kind of black visibility/rights hashtags/movements are always seething/jealousy based to begin with.

>>4969381
assuming you're >>4969124
you imply that it's basically pointless for blacks (or anyone really) to create their own content because nobody pays any attention to it. how will this problem ever go away if most black people keep pandering to fandoms they don't see themselves in, instead of making and pushing their own content? yes people have a bias, but everything has to start somewhere. there are more blacks in american media than ever before. do you think that would've happened if black people stayed out of entertainment with the defeatist idea that it's pointless to try because they'll never get traction?

aside from that, i don't get why anyone (black or not) would attach their identity and self-worth to fictional characters. when i'm watching a show i'm not counting the number of whites vs blacks vs asians, etc. i'm watching it to be entertained and if the show is really good i get inspired to make stuff of my own. i don't see any point in taking someone else's character and making them look like me so i can feel validated. it's a waste of time because, at the end of the day, it will never belong to me.

>>4969124
>. It's not that black people cannot cere original characters it is that those characters rarely get traction.

There are 2 reasons for this that have nothing to do with race.

1- Social media makes fanart far more visible because of tag searching and trends. People don't find original work because it's not being promoted. Put in effort into showing new shit and more people will see it.
2- Most original characters suck ass. Finding a good character design from lesser known artists is like finding a needle in a haystack. Even pros churn out garbage most of the time.

>>4963769
>Blacktober
I don't particularly like it. Overall though I think its ok, mostly because I dont think any subject/theme should be off limits to draw.

>>4967897
Left drawing looks closer to Taylor swift than any of the people on the left

>>4969454
>mostly because I dont think any subject/theme should be off limits to draw.
I would agree, but there is usually hypocrisy to this. Loli artists are being witch hunted by overly hysterical people who think it affects children, guro would get most people repulsed and also driven off, and even controversial shit like whitewashing or political art that portray Muslims as savages are also driven off.

Basically you're at the mercy of a website's ToS and their psychotic users who have a beef with everything you do.

>>4969364
Who are these people?
Does this have it's own animated series or movie or game franchise with a large fanbase?
Has this concept even gotten off the ground yet?
No one is going to draw fanart of your literal who series if it doesn't even have fans to begin with

>>4969562
>No one is going to draw fanart of your literal who series
ok this board is filled with actual brain damaged people who cannot even fathom drawing original content

>>4969562
>"omggg nobody make black character everything white white white. so raycis!"
>*black creators make black characters*
>"eww no what is that? sorry, i rather draw myself as a japanese teen girl than read something created by people like me, featuring people that look like me #stopwhitewashing"

>>4969574
>ok this board is filled with actual brain damaged people who cannot even fathom drawing original content
Original content doesn't get any attention you low IQ retard
Have you not been reading through the thread?
Do you make content?
No one is going to flock to your shitty original artwork unless you already have an establish grown fanbase
That's why people are racebending characters because it's getting them a lot of attention they didn't have when they were making original content you literal subhuman

>>4969467
Are you sure you should be pursuing art anon? I ask this because there's clearly something severely wrong with your observation of human facial features.

>>4969594
so nobody should bother making their own work because it'll never get noticed? blacks should just stick to blackwashing other people's non-black characters because that's the only way people will learn to appreciate black characters? makes sense.

>>4969592
>i rather draw myself as a japanese teen girl than read something created by people like me, featuring people that look like me
Holy shit how retarded can you people get?
You're unironically virtue signaling here
>Assuming that blacks have to identify/relate to characters because they look like them or it was made by other blacks
Jesus christ you people are sound more and more like sjws every minute

It's reminds me why the Boondocks is still the pinnacle of black culture after all these years and it is because these people are too lazy to make their own original content.

>>4969640
Original content doesn't get any attention you low IQ retard
Have you not been reading through the thread?
Do you make content?
No one is going to flock to your shitty original artwork unless you already have an establish grown fanbase
That's why people are racebending characters because it's getting them a lot of attention they didn't have when they were making original content you literal subhuman

>>4969641
What the hell is your issue? People who do racebending don't usually do it out of growing their fanbase, even famous ones do it and they already have their own established fanbase. Plenty of artists can find their niche by being damn good artists and establishing connections, but for whatever reason you're going on a crusade throughout this entire thread with this racebending shit. People disagreeing about your opinion and then you become crazy aggressive, really makes me think you're a black artist with an inferiority complex.

>>4964642
That’s because black people look gross and talk like retards. Plus the whole crime thing

>>4969610
NGMI

>>4969653
Why are you replying to yourself?

>>4963769
lol
Merry halloween

>>4969707

I'm so fucking tired that this depressing shit is the norm.
>can't draw original unless you establish yourself aka sell out with fanart for 15 years
Fuck people and their retarded shit, and honestly fuck art.

>>4969812
Just become a youtube animator. You actually don't need to make fan made content to become popular, but any other place you're pretty much have shit out fanart for x amount of years.

>>4969812
Don't listen to this guy >>4969818 , if your original art is good and you're friends with other artists, it'll get shared a lot, just put it under the appropriate tags.

>>4969840
>if your original art is good
so porn or anime.
>and you're friends with other artists,
I assume this means putting pronouns in your profile and using the tag in the OP or #visiblewomen because unless you're part of a milkable social category or part of an art school clique nobody will give a shit.
>just put it under the appropriate tags.
tags are absolutely worthless unless they're for porn.

>>4968434
>how do you know the intent of the artist unless they explicitely state it?

We can try and infer to the best of our ability. When a female artist draws Rosalina or whatever with dark skin, and the reply is Rosalina "fixed" to be white with blonde hair again, I don't really see these as being equivalent actions. The latter is usually some polack with paint.net who is only doing it to rile up some sensitive twitter artist.

That said, I'm sure you can blackwash white characters antagonistically, lord knows there are black people who just HATE white people and can't get over that, but generally that doesn't seem to be the case, and I'm only speaking to Twitter here since that's what I'm most familiar with. By and large though, I think the point of blacktober is just to celebrate black artists, not black characters.

The most based take either way is that the more time you spend obsessing over twitter trends, the less time you're honing your craft. Focus, retards.

>>4969847
>he honestly believes porn and anime are the only way for an artist to make it

>>4969868
>The most based take either way is that the more time you spend obsessing over twitter trends, the less time you're honing your craft. Focus, retards.
Sure because honing your craft matters when political shit like OP automatically gets 10000000x the attention
I don't even give a fuck about art anymore. What I thought was art is dead, now art is all just opportunistic marketing, most of these people can't even draw well.

>>4969886
>when political shit like OP automatically gets 10000000x the attention
Why do you draw? If you create art solely for attention you will always be unhappy. I have a twitter with like, 20 followers, but I'm sure if I was getting 1.2 thousand likes on my shit as opposed to 1 or 2, I might still be envious of people getting 3 thousand likes, or 500 thousand, etc.

Make art that makes you happy, retard.

>>4969907
>Why do you want to talk to people? Just talk to yourself like a retard lol

>>4969908
I don't know what point you're trying to make. I'm not wrong, you're just happy to be mad at dumb twitter trends.

>>4969612
>have to identify/relate to characters
But "they" do? Maybe you and some half redpilled blackweebs dont but black normies dont

>>4969918
*Black normies do....fuck, im tired

>>4969913
>I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Your work is low effort /beg/ trash and your input is irrelevant.
Go preach about drawing for fun to someone else.
Just in case you don't get it: the point is not the attention, the point is that it's not worth talking to today's people.

>>4969920
Then don't talk or cater to them, problem solved, no

>>4969926
OK then I'll stop drawing and do something else.
Because if you lose faith in humanity what is the fucking point? I might get a bunch of pet goldfish or grow some plants.

>>4969409
>how will this problem ever go away if most black people keep pandering to fandoms they don't see themselves in
The problem doesn't go away by creating more content. The problem goes away when audiences either start supporting what content they can find, artists find a better way to get original content to potential supporters if that's at all possible, or social media corps provide a fix for the problem. More art isn't the solution if people can't find it or don't support it
>do you think that would've happened if black people stayed out of entertainment with the defeatist idea that it's pointless to try
Having more black people in media helped because it opened the suits to seeing that making works with black actors was possible and because audiences supported it. Had black people gotten acting gigs but then nobody checked the new shows it would have been pointless or worse. The solution is twofold. It requires audience and artist and I focus on audience because it seems there are already more than plenty artists that audiences could support.
>i don't get why anyone (black or not) would attach their identity and self-worth to fictional characters
One of the foundational techniques of storytelling is getting the viewer to empathize with a character. It's not necessarily easier to empathize with characters of your race but it can be more cathartic; and those characters also help to expand the collective subconscious around what we associate with a given race. Seeing a character who looks like you overcome certain struggles can feel better to watch than a generic animu boy doing it and then I can use that character as a moral icon to replace or counter negative stereotypes.
>>4969434
>Social media makes fanart far more visible because of tag searching and trends
I said this in my very first post >>4969434
>Most original characters suck ass
Subjective statement but even if true then shouldn't we be all the more supportive of quality design?

>>4969930
Yeah do something else if this is how you truly feel.

>>4963769
Rule 63 except taken a lot more seriously and you aren't allowed to turn female characters into men.

>>4969920
post your work

>thread tldr:
3 days of coons and /pol/ arguing over twitter

>>4969932
>social media corps provide a fix for the problem.
Affirmative action for nigger artists?

>>4969707
kek

>>4963806
As a leftie, my disappointment in you is immeasurable

>>4964832
>the asian examples all look better

>>4963847
is this image supposed to be unironic?
You cant seriously believe that anyone actually thinks corporations genuinely care about the black plight and aren't just using BLM as a marketing tool right?

>>4969594
Original content have always worked if your art is good. If you are a /beg/ or an /int/ you gotta be more creative with your craft or stick with pleasing social media for social credit if you want to inflate your follower count. People who care about art will do it for themselves not for anyone, so the idea of doing people blackwash is kinda cheap when most people bandwagon it for the illusion of fame not self-improvement. It's not even empowering, it's circle jerking.

>>4970929
>diversity hires
>donations
>blackfacing
>endless propaganda to cater to them
nah I think they're joking

>>4970929
>the black plight.
lol shut the fuck up and get a job.

>>4969409
>i don't get why anyone (black or not) would attach their identity and self-worth to fictional characters
"But chieftain I don't understand why are you telling me these stories of fictional people?"

>>4971621
It's one thing to enjoy stories because of the characters in it
It's another thing to project your existence onto a made up person and blame all your life problems on not having enough fictional people to larp as.

It was blatant black washing and low effort as fuck. If white people drew anime characters with blue eyes and blonde hair while using the hashtag #whitetober it would be a train wreck despite most Asians flat out making white people anyway. I wish they’d just shut the fuck up and draw oc

>>4963769
It's pathetic and proof that nignogs have fuck all creativity, make your own fucking characters.

>>4964691
Holy fuck that pic... Your completely brain washed.

>>4963769
blacks can't make their own shit all they know is rip off other characters or recolor white ones to claim as their own

>>4963784
reddit

>>4973917
>>4974102
its amazing people dont have the reasoning skills to understand the only reason they're not seeing the original characters is because the general population usually doesnt care about them