/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4961826
What is the best place to get a 2013 Intuos Pro from?

I've been using a Huion for 4+ years and its done nothing but serve me well.

>>4961834
ebay

>>4961835
>This post was brought to you buy Huion company ltd.

>>4961842
Lol yeah especially when something like that is posted without any prompting...

On another note: is a QHD tablet worth it? Does anyone feel that it matters for your process? Did using a larger resolution screen "feel better" than good ol' 1080p?

I'm thinking about getting a new screen tablet, and QHD vs FHD will be the big key for me

>>4961884
Would also like to chime in and ask if 1080p (60hz) is enough when you go screenless, which I'm probably going to from now.

>>4961884
First of all, ignore the "Chang Guy". It's clearly mental illness.

Secondly, every little bit of resolution (and at least for screens a higher refresh rate) at least helps when your setup can handle it, which for drawing applications should almost always be the case. Keep in mind that you cannot simply downscale a from a higher resolution as pretty much every screen will use intetrpolation and make things blurry.

Would also like to chime in and ask if a 1080p (60hz) monitor is at least enough when you go screenless.

>>4961842
>>4961884
>>4961904
Not a huion shill. I just hate how racist and judgemental you guys are. You’re calling me mentally ill and using the word “Chang” in one breathe? Get some self awareness.

>>4961909
Racism doesn't exist.
Also, I'm talking about the guy who uses the word "Chang", retardo.

Is the Intuos Comic good for $90?
How bad is the nib wear?
I'm still drawing with mouse and looks like a good offer.

>>4961826
>oh cool a drawing tablet thread, I wonder if they will mention my tablet the xp pen
>literally the first one on the avoid list

>>4961826
Daily reminder

>>4961826
Fixing the copypaste Schizo OP

>What should I buy?
I got you covered senpai. Here is a sufficiently short (but spanning 2 posts out of necessity) breakdown of what you should buy or avoid. Feel free to ask further questions, but try to avoid the schizo OP.

>Drawing screen for desktop
Wacom devices simply rule as far as drawing goes. They are not just nominally the best from a technological standpoint, they simply "feel" the best. However, they do skimp out on screen quality unless you buy the really expensive options. Definitely don't buy a Wacom One. Ideally you want something with at least 100% sRGB coverage. More accuracy can be nice for certain uses, but is optional.
XP Pen is the most solid contender to Wacom and is fine as a budget alternative, but again, look at the screen quality and see how well the pen works and contemplate if you are fine with what you are buying.

>Screenless tablets
Screenless tablets may appear less intuitive than drawing screens, but they help with ergonomics as you do not need to bend over. As they contain the same pen technology as their visual counterparts, it's very much a flavor thing. But the Intuos / XP-Pen Deco lines are much cheaper than drawing screens, and of course a lot more robust.
Keep in mind, however, that the rough surface on newer Intuos models produce very strong nib wear. This is supposed to make them feel like paper, but many people dislike it. You can buy a smooth Intuos Pro sheet from Wacom for $30.

>Standalone Mobile Devices
The iPad Pro models (including iPad mini 2019) and, to a slightly lesser extent, the Galaxy S7/S7+ are the go-to tablets. Outside of simple drawings, however, these are very limited in their capabilities and doing any task is generally way more tedious.

>>4962211
The 16:10 aspect ratio on the Galaxy Tabs also works against them, as especially the larger S7+ is not comfortable to hold in your hands. They are, however, all way too small to be considered proper drawing screens. 16 inch is usually the threshold for people.
Connecting tablets as a drawing screen through Windows Ink is also not very intuitive. For the iPad Pros, you are SOL as the one "decent" solution, Duet Display, not only charges a yearly fee, but will actually mess up graphics drivers on your PC. Absolutely do not recommend. For Android we have at least Super Display, which charges you once, but that one also won't work nearly as well as a dedicated drawing screen.

>Mobile Computing
Do avoid Windows convertibles / tablets at all cost. You can find a proper explanation as to why here:
>>4952481
>>4952518
As is explained in the linked posts above (which you can find later in the archive on warosu.org/ic), a proper (not thin) laptop + an Intuos / Intuos style screenless tablet are the way to go if you want to work with the same device in different places.

>In Summary
>What To Buy
Wacom Cintiq / Cintiq Pro line
XP-Pen Artist line
Wacom Intuos Pro line
XP-Pen Deco line
Proper Notebook together with a Screenless Tablet
(iPad Pro / mini 2019)
(Galaxy Tab S7/S7+)
((EMR-based Windows hybrids, DON'T BUY THEM, THIS IS JUST A HINT IF YOU WANT TO BE STUPID AND IGNORE MY WARNING!))

>What To Avoid
>Alternative screens besides XP-Pen (at least be careful and do your research)
>AES and (especially) N-Trig based pens
>Any "desktop" style mobile devices, really (Windows tablets, Chromebook, etc.) unless they are solid laptops
>Capacitive screens (shouldn't really be necessary to mention)
>The schizo (presumably OP) in these threads that keeps using the word "Chang"

>>4962103
>Assuming because its in the OP that it must be true

This is the exact mechanism by which he gets his identity as a tablet "guru", despite not being an artist and only being a fucking toy collector.

>>4962211
>>4962214
>zhang is this desperate to shill
lol

>>4962211
> Huion is the most solid contender
fixed that for you, btw you’re using senpai wrong

>>4962214
So Xp-pen is better than huion?

>>4962236
Im whiter than you

>>4962238
Grabbed it from the last thread, you make the next one if you want

>>4962254

>>4962256
Im more norf FC actually

>>4962254
This was written pretty quickly. One thing I did wrong was exclusively shilling Schenker. I love their notebooks but they only support most European countries.

Also, you can apparently, although I haven't tried to yet, very well use the rough or extra rough Intuos Pro surfaces if you do DIY tips with weedcutter lines (similar to Wacom nibs) and square toothpicks (like pencil). Should be about 1.8mm, but again, I haven't tried personally yet.

Also to note is that (EMR / Apple) tablets with mobile OS are very much a personal thing. I just don't want to use them and whenever I put one in my hands I would rather go back to my Windows machines with a dedicated drawing tablet. But some people with different dispositions towards technology prefer them (although they are plebians, and basically, learn to code).

>>4962281
I tried the weed lines.
Works but often you find recutting, sanding for a round tip and sometimes the variance of diameter isn't consistent plus I made it one at a time which in hindsight isn't a good idea.

Wound up buying a 100 pack of nibs off Alibaba which I believe would last the life the tablet.

>>4961826
recently bought an XP pen artist 24. I regret it.
I can't calibrate the pen position because the driver is fucked. The tilt function is dogshit. Parallax is horrible. Screen feels slippery. Don't believe the YouTube propaganda like I did.
99% of the time I just use my secondhand 12.9" iPad pro with a cheap matte screen protector which feels s much better.

>>4962300
You arent fooling anyone, retard.

>>4961612
>>4962300
It should not be hard to mask your writing style. 100 or lower IQ for sure.

Did I do good?

>>4962438
probably

go draw

The "man" in this video is so disconcerting to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcKKe5gpyk8
I know everyone knows that new Wacom nibs wear quickly, but now that I told you you can't help but click on the video so please share in my pain.

Just bought Huion H610. AMA.

>>4962470
Oh no, be careful of the schizo guy

Anyone have information on the shaft diameter for the Pro Pen 2? Looks like 1.75mm is not quite up to date.

>>4962470
The V2?

>>4962507
Of course.

>>4961826
And drawing laptops?
I was looking at msi, lenovo and dell but i couldn't find drawing info.
My lap is old

I have a Huion Pro 16 and I like it so far. The only problem was by default ALL of the settings were fucked vs using my mom's wacom. It took me like an hour, but once I got all my settings right it's been smooth sailing.

I know nobody asked, but I just think the opinion should be out there since all anyone seems to think about is Wacom.

>>4962541
DON'T BUY ANY BIG BRAND LAPTOP FOR FUCK'S SAKE! This makes me viscerally angry. You can pick the biggest most high performance Asus notebook you can find on the market and it's still gonna be an overpriced, overdesigned, overheating piece of disposable plasticware with a hardware arrangement that easily breaks and is way too expensive to repair. So basically, with modern laptops you can by a new one every 2 years while outright scrapping the old broken ones.
If you want good performance (if not, old IBM Thinkpad will do), just get one of the few remaining proper notebook brands (Eluktronics etc.) together with an Intuos if you really think you want a mobile drawing setup (you probably don't and will cope for the first month or so trying to use it, then not use it properly).

>>4962547
Huions improved a lot over the years. Things are looking good for artists, honestly. The days of 1000$+ displays are coming to a close.

>>4961909
Why the fuck would you take some randoms insult to heart over the internet?

Has anyone upgraded from a medium to a large intuos? Does any anyone recommend it? I'm pretty comfortable with my medium at this point, but I've been eyeing the big boy.

>>4962549
Yeah i was thinking something like that but my laptop lasted a lot (it's a lenovo z50) and it did ok with most games, waterfox tabs and working software thats why i asked.
My first choice is an ayymd pc and a wacom once i wear down a huion 16 that still hasnt arrived

>>4962563
If you feel cramped on a medium then buy a large. The most common consensus is that medium tablets feel the best.

>>4962563
It's a tiny bit shorter than a 17" laptop so perfectly portable unless you buy mistakes like anon here >>4962566

How do I make my ipad a tablet for my Windows laptop?

I was arguing with Aaron Rutten. Is he just stupid or is he a total shill and stupid?

Since they are said to be a bit sturdier than ABS I assume Wacom nibs are simply made from Nylon, but if I theoretically (totally not gonna do it, probably) take the strongest plastic filament I can find will it scratch my tablet?

I wish to decapitate the chang that was shilling the huion kamvas pro 13 when it first came out.

>>4962438
I have the same one, along with my intuos pro. The only thing I didn't like about it was the pressure curve was weird, you'll have to adjust that and find settings that work for you.

Ignore my mess of cables going on right now

>tfw just placed my order for ipad pro
>it will only arrive around the 12th to 20th
UHM WTF CHINAMANN WORK FASTER

How much difference would it make going to a 9x12 tablet from a 4x6? Using with a 30" monitor.

>>4962759
Does someone use on-tablet controls effectively? Thinking of getting a Huion but those rings look fancy and the ones I'm looking at don't have those.

>>4962852
I set up the hotkeys on that huion like this:

B E
- +
Undo Redo

Space R
Ctrl- Ctrl+
Ctrl-C Ctrl-V

This works pretty well for me. I have the the closest pen button bound to alt for color picking

>>4962852
newfag owner here. I only bought it because it was the cheapest of it's class.
I wanted
>buttons to minimize keyboard use
>large space
>android support
I use the buttons for brush size, resizing the canvas, making new layers, undo/redo. It probably doesn't matter much if you have a nice keyboard and a comfortable space to use both.
>>4962759
I find the pressure to be fine but i've yet to use it properly. I know how to fuck with GIMPs dynamics matrix so it's never really gonna bother me.
Howcome you've got like a mini wrist guard on the bottom? Mines doesn't have that. I think there's 3 models?

>>4963071
It's not a wristguard, I have it on a tablet stand at about 15 degrees.

Don't know about GIMP, I only use photoshop

>>4963091
ah okay, that makes sense. Does it hold it an angle or something? What's the main draw for a stand?

>>4963071
>Gimp
Good God anon, don't do this to yourself. Just go to that Russian website, use a free VPN if you have to, it's not a large download.

When is Wacom releasing a new 24 Pro? I really want something better than my XP-Pen 15.6.

>>4963140
>expecting actual improvements at this point
They are never going to fix the heating. Some numbers might go up.

>>4962849
the difference would be huge

>>4962849
How the fuck did you get fooled into using a 4*6 tablet in the first place?
Those are for digital signatures at best, ofcourse you should get a bigger one

>>4963140
>When is Wacom releasing a new 24 Pro?

In the far far future when the dual lcd makes HDR the normie standard.

>>4963166
It was cheap and at the time I was using it with a 13" laptop primarily so I figured it would be good enough.
>>4963144
Fantastic.

Also checked both of you lol guess that settles it I must embiggen my tablet.

Okay faggots i took the chinkpill, i'll see by myself whether the schizo or the chinks are right.

>>4963315
oh no no no no no

>>4963315
>315▶>>4963381
>File: testtt.png (32 KB, 922x220)
At least it's a screenless one that costs $130 not a shitty one with screen that's 450 +

>>4963095
Yeah it's adjustable, 15 to 80ish degrees. The main draw is comfort. It feels easier for me to draw accurately when it's elevated a bit. But I think that's just personal preference. I can also use the same stand for display tablets (where I really don't want to lay it flat on the table)

>>4963315
based

When buying an ipad, does it have to be a pro? This one's new, and only $300. I don't know if I should just save for something better, or if this is fine

>>4963531
You should buy a Huion instead because it's the White Man's choice.

Tablet: Wacom Cintiq 21UX DTK2100
Software: Paint Tool Sai 1 & 2

I have noticed that if I work with the canvas at 100% scale, I have much more control of my stroke. Why does this happen?

The problem is that to work at 100% scale, I have to do it on a 1150x1100px canvas. This resolution makes it very difficult to work with details, because after 100%, the pixels become visible.

The only thing I could do is work the sketch on a canvas at low resolution and then adjust its size for the lineart.

>>4963531
huh, didn't know the standard ipad supports apple pencil. probably not the same performance as a pro or air but give it try.

i lost the pen and broke the wireless adaptor thing for my Huion INSPIROY Q11K. how fucked am i?

>>4963603
i'm fairly certain that has to do with poor pressure scale calculation which is software based (sai). Have you tried it in any other applications to see if the behavior is different?

>>4963618
not at all, just buy another one or two just in case.

>>4963632
how can i do that without buying a whole new tablet?

>>4963630
Well yes. I tested krita but I found his interface too complex.
CSP but it have a lack of performance in my PC (thing that I cannot understood 'cause I have a Ryzen 5 2600, 8GB RAM 2666mz, SSD and a GTX 1050).
Should I test photoshop?

Is PTZ-630 the same intuos 3 you guys recommend? I checked ebay but as far as I can tell all of them are without the pen.

The more I look into them, the more attractive Huion look. Haven't even thought about wireless, but them having actual Wifi, not that awful Bluetooth standard looks pretty solid. So how bad is the drawing?
(I recognize your writing. Don't even try, retard.)

Reminder that Chinese tablets are, and always have been terrible.

The one thing that keeps me from buying a new Wacom are the prices for the nibs which now seem to be a custom cut. Even if I had infinite money ordering nibs that are more brittle than their predecessors for $1 a piece + shipping is a ridiculous situation, just not gonna do it. Also, there's way too many missing options like stroke nibs for the new format. Wacom have gone too far with their Jewing.
The old standard nibs at least are literally just rounded plastic filament cuts (which they also sell for $1, Jesus Christ), so you know where to look.

>>4963636
You go to their site and order one? Are you retarded?

>>4962628
>How do I make my ipad a tablet for my Windows laptop?
I'm asking this question again.

>>4964015
nope

>>4963647
Hmm, what size canvas are you starting with in CSP?

>>4963107
Do what to myself?

>>4964078
You put the Apple™ Pencil™ in your butt, write Tim Cook on the cheeks.

Apple Magic

What do you guys use for stands/arms for your screen tablets?
I've got an [UNNAMED 24-INCH SCREEN TABLET] and I'd like to mount it on an arm. It has an included stand which I think is pretty great, but I dislike the hassle of having to move the tablet from my cabinet to the table each time I want to draw. It creates unnecessary inertia that I'm hoping will go away if I mount the entire thing on an arm and use it as a second screen when not drawing.

Anyone have any suggestions or experiences of using arms mounted to your desk for this? Is there a noticeable wobble or other issues? Does it work perfectly and I should just go buy an arm?

>>4964423
got ergoflex arm for my overpriced japanese drawing screen, which I at least find completely worth it

the arm itself isn't the problem and cause for wobbles as much as the table is, if you have like a decent office table it should be fine

a decent arm also helps a lot with posture and allows you to draw while standing up, I truly can't understand how people can use screen tablets that just lay on the table

>>4964423
I use the Wacom Flex arm with an [UNAMED 32-INCH SCREEN TABLET].

Standard tension, didn't adjust it, it does wobble at the corners, and you can wobble it with a quick firm tap with your fingers in the corners, but with the large bevel and that you are drawing near the center, the corners are mostly avoidable

And also that I don't tap large pressures by quickly hitting the stylus down and releasing but by placing my stylus down and letting the pressure increase leads to it not wobbling for me. I can not move it putting pressure within my drawing area and even resting my hand on it an releasing when it's tilted horizontally the shift and return is less than 1/4 of an inch.

I also have a big heavy desk with metal a metal frame it's clamped on to so the desk wobble isn't transferred to the arm. I think the desk is the most important part.

>>4964445
>>4964446
Thank you friends. Based on what you said I think my desk might become a problem as it's a cheap Ikea one that flexes as soon as I put even a tiny bit of pressure on it but I think the benefits might outweigh the negatives in this case.
The Wacoom arm is hella expensive (approx 420eur) but I think it might be worth it anyway. Not like I'll need to replace it very often (if ever)

>>4961826
i just got a tab s7+ in the mail today. Does it have a way to become a second display natively like apple's sidecar or do I need to buy duet display? I'm new to android tablets and a bit of a brainlet

>>4964015
Don't care
Still playing Genshin on my Xiaomi phone

>>4964616
SuperDisplay
https://youtu.be/M2kvknt8kL0

I hope your OS is windows though.

>>4964241
A4

I fucking ate tat te surface book will not let you detatch the tablet from the keyboard if the battery is low. I just want to take it off and flip it around so I can draw instead of sitting here waiting for it to charge up for like 20 min. I think it can survive 5 seconds detached to flip it around. Does anyone know if a workaround/thing I can install to force it to detach other than the physical paperclip method?

>>4965198
Why did me H key die at the start od this?

got offered an ipad pro 2nd gen + pencil for 500. pull trigger?

>>4965595
Sure, seems about right.

>>4965595
Throw in an extra like $30-50 for the apps and you've got a solid instrument.

Are there any accessories I should get for my cintiq 16? Do I really need a screen protector or is that just for people over paranoid? The screen seems pretty sturdy desu.

>>4966500
A screen protector can cause colors to look grainy and wear out nibs faster. Usually only people who want the extra texture uses it.

I suggest getting an anti-fouling gloves, helps keep your hands from sweating too much and sticking on your screen. Minimizes the oils that gets on it too. Wacom is too cheap to provide one.

Then there is the shortcut device. EK Remote, Celsys tabmate, a small wireless keyboard, or gamepad configured with joy2key or something, pick your poison.

>>4962438
I have seriously been eyeing a Q11K V2, but they still use Micro USB, and thos cables KEEP. FUCKING. BREAKING. That's a big no from me. Everything else is solid though. Much more drawing area than Intuos Pro M at same form factor.

>>4967136
Get a deco pro

>>4963531
>>4963615
You shouldve really gone for the air 3 which can be found for 400-460. The air 3 is laminated, 10.5 inches and has 64 gbs of storage
That standard 10.2 is not laminated

>>4967183
The hell is up with that weird aspect ratio? One big advantage iPads have is that they are not totally awkward to hold. Instead, Apple are also going for 'content consoomption' now.

>>4961826
Nice one retard. Xp-Pen is Japanese. Shows your credibility when it comes to reccing tablets.

Also, The Intuos pro is trash. I got it in the mail with the express keys bent upwards and the drivers not working.

Sorry, But it looks like China wins once again, So take your meds schizo.

>>4964015
Older model, Try again. Eat fat wacom ass.

>>4967304
They are originally a Japanese company but they have a Taiwan office. Are they Chinese then?
>(Chang Guy) in a bind

>>4967314
actually good point, It looks like they have a bunch of different places they're from. Us, Japan, Tawian, Shenzhen.

I got mine yesterday, I am happy with it over the Huion Tablet. Which felt like i was smearing baby shit on concrete, and the Wacom which the cable broke.

>>4967136
>>4962759
>>4962438

The cable for mine broke, But i didn't really like this tablet much, and the cable is really bad.

>>4967136
Q11Kv2 is fucking garbage.

Inaccurate pen pressure and activation force

No amount of trying to adjust the pressure will fix it.

>>4967387
>>4967402
So how do you find XP Pen then? I don't mind paying 300 bucks on a new tablet once but Wacom's nib scheme is too ridiculous for me.

>>4967409
I got mine off Amazon. It's 30 dollars off. I missed the deal a week ago :(

>>4967409
What type of tablet are you trying to get?

Screenless or Pen Display?

I got my friend the Huion Q620M and he seems to enjoy it and I know several people that claims that the Deco Pro is equal to the Intuos Pro as far as drawing capabilities.

Also hear good things about the XP PEN Artist Pro series (the pen displays with the red ring on it)

>>4967422
Screenless. Although with screen alternative parties would be even more attractive since picture quality on anything but Cintiq Pro is garbage with Wacom.

>>4967426
I saw this post on cgpersia which might help you make your decision.

>>4967503
You have to take the date into account though, when was this posted and what tablets did they use? Old huions (over 4 years old) are absolute shit. Theyre improving fast, and releasing new product lines very frequently

>>4967659
2019 january. Another pro artist on cgpersia recommended testing for shite tablets by putting rulers on the surface and drawing over it in photoshop and seeing if the line is straight with a straight ruler or curved with a curved ruler. If you are buying from a physical store, the people there might let you test it or a display model before you take it home.

And I guess the reason why they're testing in photoshop is that it's SUPER fucking sensitive to bad tablets and will throw a fit over it. Partly missing lines, shoelacing, jagged angles lines, dotty/blobby lines are all a really bad sign whereas other programs are really good at masking it.

>>4967723
Thats good advice in general but without knowing what tablet he was trying out its hard to see how true it is. I mean especially for non displays, I got myself an h610 to replace my first wacom bamboo pen and touch and even back then it worked without issue with everything. Back then youd have to charge the pen though, which sucked

>>4967304
>Nice one retard. Xp-Pen is Japanese
No they aren't you utter moron. They founded themselves in Japan to con gullible morons like yourself, but all their offices and factories are in China, and they even have an AliExpress page.

Idiots like you never learn.

>>4967748
Hello there schizo frend

Have more IQ yet?

>>4967304
Like Wacom their base of operations was originally in Japan, but Ugee offered to merge since XP was using their hardware already, it was an easy decision. But Ugee is Chinese, and the (former) supplier for Huion tablet hardware as well.

>source: I have an XP and have been using them for 5 years along side a wacom and an iPad. All these items are made in China.

> xp-pen is japanese, trust us

is that why xp-pen live-streams in chinese?

>>4967748
Haha do the thing again schizo
>>4968048
Huh, looks like a different person.

Anyway, XP-Pen is a Japan-based international company with production and marketing arms in China. Nothing unique about that. But I would like 'Chang Guy' to comment on pic related and tell me why he thinks they are Chinese. Just for fun.

>>4968165
>Anyway, XP-Pen is a Japan-based international company
No it isn't, idiot.
Japanese companies do not have AliExpress pages. They also don't do all of their presentations in Chinese.
XP-Pen is just Ugee.

>Budget: $2000
>Location: USA
>Type: Display
>Size (in inches): I normally draw on A4 paper, so around that size- maybe a little larger or smaller.
>Other information: I draw trad 99% of the time and just want a nice screen tablet so I can hop in when my friends are all doing group draw sessions.
>Previous equipment: Bamboo Splash from I don't even know when

>>4968261
>I draw trad 99% of the time and just want a nice screen tablet so I can hop in when my friends are all doing group draw sessions
What's a group draw session? Do you livestream each other's drawing or just draw stuff and post it to something like a chatroom?

I would recommend the new Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ because the display dimensions are pretty similar to A4, it's portable so you can draw outside and you can use it as a PC display tablet with superDisplay.
Would also recommend the iPad Pro; it's better to buy them off Ebay though.

If you want to really maximize your budget's output, check out the Cintiq Pro 24. It's a 24" display tablet so you would want to make sure you have the room on your desk for it.

>>4968165
>using Wikipedia as infallible truth.
Listen I want /pol/ chans to fuck off the board as much as the next guy but the fact is that the top 5 sources of drawing tablets produce their hardware in China, not Japan. Thats wacom, Apple, Android, XP and Huion. All have "Made in China" on the back and at the end of the day, that determines what kind of product you get.

Which is why anons tell people looking for tablets not to dwell on name brands and just get one that works well enough that you btfo and draw.

>>4968280
Drawpile/Oekaki is what I'm referring to. Everyone basically draws on the same canvas at the same time. I join in with my Bamboo Splash, but it just feels very weird. I think a screen might help.

Thank you for the recommendations!

>>4968181
If it were someone else id be shocked by their stupidity but in your case I just have to be patient.

No. Having an AliExpress account does not indicate the background of the company, it just means that, like virtually all companies on earth, they want to sell shit to the chinese as well as the americans.

>having a presentation in the main asian language means theyre chinese

OOoorr, theyre trying to communicate to chinese buyers/investors/stakeholders. Yknow, because they speak dogeat and thats sort of the main language in that part of the world.

>>4968475
> main asian language

chang so buttdestroyed he’s just spouting deranged nonesense now

>>4968526
Tell me schizo kun, which part is deranged nonsense? Im curious to see how you perceive it. Do you think 1.1 billion people in east asia speak martian? Or perhaps Swahili? Or have you made up your own special language that they speak? Did the voices tell you about it?

>>4968261
Xp pen 24 pro.
Or maybe a cintiq pro?

XP Pen is having a nice sale right now. Should I pick up any of the 22 inch tablets or save for the 24?

I have a Wacom Intuos Pen Small ctl-480. Is there any improvement in learning speed if i use another tablet?

>>4968570
Medium sized tablets are the gold standard, with the best relative size to most displays. You also can use more space and not wrist flick so much.

>>4968570
Small tablets can injure wrists, but you may not feel the insane burning pain unless you draw for like 10 hours for a few days on end. I guess I only do that sometimes becauwe I'm a little autistic

Anybody use something like a wireless numpad with their tablet?
Is it uesful?
I want to get one but it's kinda pricey.

>>4968688
I use a koolertron mini keyboard, works perfectly

https://www.amazon.de/Koolertron-Mechanische-Programmierbaren-Beleuchtung-Schreibkraft/dp/B07RY144FX/ref=asc_df_B07RY144FX/?tag=googshopde-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=380158762491&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9746881669727999779&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9042436&hvtargid=pla-819749783410&psc=1&th=1&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=75705107697&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=380158762491&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9746881669727999779&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9042436&hvtargid=pla-819749783410

>>4968688
You're better off learning keyboard shortcuts as most programs have them in common. This is just experience I've picked up from learning dozens of programs.

>>4968566
I have the 24, it can be a bit of overkill size wise, but spec wise it's the better monitor. Go for whichever you have the desk space for. They run on the same drivers, it's just the size dif and the 24 has a 2k resolution.

>>4968307
>Using "/pol/" as a descriptor
>Completely missing the point of anything ever said here
You're not as smart as you think you are.

>>4961826
This might be a dumb question, but is there a downside to buying an older laptop or macbook off amazon or ebay for the sole purpose of using it to draw? I'm no computer expert, so I don't know of any downsides.

>>4969339
Yes
1) hard drives usually die after 5 years and other components may fail. If someone's selling it it could have been abused a lot like overheated on tons of games. The battery will also be fucked
2) Laptops in general suck for art as all except the most expensive don't have dedicated gpus and have shitty cpus. Unless you're like... Going for a gaming laptop. But the these will overheat when doing things like heavy gaming or rendering video.

jezz, this guys fap at tablets so hard, buy whatever you can which has a pen and tablet and start painting, god damn it

>>4969339
depends on what you consider 'old'. Getting an older macbook may be unwise since their software is dependent on the OS version. Similarly, getting an old windows 7 machine now may not be good since I believe MS stopped doing the free update to Win10.

Are you looking for any inexpensive laptop or do you want a tablet or 2-in-1?

>>4969652
Something inexpensive, not a fan of the 2 in 1 design, or touch screen for that matter. Neck pain keeps me from using screen tablets for long so I'm just looking for something portable to hook my intuos draw medium to for work.

>>4969724
well it sounds like you're looking for a pretty basic setup so go for it. I'd probably go for ebay instead of amazon since amazon has a bit of a mark-up. As long as it says it functions, you should be covered by eBay protection.

Are you primarily going to be using the laptop screen to see what you're drawing or are you going to be able to output to a monitor? Outputting to a monitor will be a much more flexible route imho.

>>4969762
I didn't think about outputting to a monitor, I was thinking on just using the laptop screen.

>>4969769
if you're going to main the laptop monitor you're probably going to need a 13" minimum, 15" preferred. That increases the price and bulkiness. Plus, you'll want a relatively decent non-TN screen so that'll also limit your choices. You haven't even factored in a processor (intel i3 or i5) or ram (4gb minimum). What kind of budget do you have?

>>4968566
>XP Pen is having a nice sale right now
You are an idiot, Chang. All Chinese sales are bullshit where they inflate the price by like 400% so they can list massive discounts.

>>4968545
XP Pen is chinese rubbish. >>4964015

>>4967748
Oh look. The schizo retard is back. Are you going to call me Chinese?What because your expensive(Chinese) Modern wacoms aren't?

Sorry fanboy, Just admit you paid for an overpriced tablet. AND IN FACT,THAT XP-PEN IS JAPANESE

>>4969966
Holy shit you don't give up. That is an OLDER TABLET.

Kill yourself, and Wacom drivers are trash. Stop with your denial of the (Quality) of wacoms.

>>4968307
I think you might be retarded. Literally the text off the website of the company.

I think meds are good option for you. It will treat your delusions.I am looking out for you as friendly anon.

>>4970165
> REEE REEE REEE
> In 2019 ... holding subsidiaries of Ugee

the lady doth protest too much methinks

>>4970160
>That is an OLDER TABLET.
No it isn't you moronic chinese shill. It's literally XP-Pen's latest Artist Pro 24, and has the exact same issues as every other Chinese tablet.

>>4970165
You keep missing the point like the delusional idiot you are. The company can be founded anywhere, it's still Chinese. Your money gets sent to China, the tablets are designed in China, they're manufactured in China, they get sent to China for warranty, and more.

XP Pen is chinese, no matter how badly you're in denial, Zhang.

>>4970402
>>4970406
Schizo kun, say the line again!

>>4970406
>saying a chinese shill would be in denial about a company being chinese

You're not the brightest bulb in the box are you? When are you going to come to terms about being Chinese? I assume from your insecurity that you're a second generation chink living outside of china.

>>4967409
XP Pen PA1/2 nibs (Deco Pro) wear down just as fast as Pro Pen 2 (Intuos Pro). Under heavy use you may replace them every 1-2 days. The prices are more reasonable, but still twice as expensive in Europe as they sell 50 instead of 100 per pack for the same price.

>>4970660
Unless you order from the German store where it's 100 again, what the hell...

Can someone redpill me on why people recommend the intuos 3 over the 4 or 5 or whatever?

>>4970807
From what I understand there's a sentiment going around saying that the newer Intuos tablets (and Wacom in general) have dropped in quality and that the 3 was the last good one.
I don't know if this holds true though, do your research and whatever you do, don't listen to this thread because it's just a shitposting war between some guy that thinks everyone is a chinese shill and the people calling him a retard.

>>4970807
>>4970878
I wonder if I should unironically get one for 45 € just to try it out. I disagree that pressure sensitivity doesn't matter, but the old devices do look more solid and you can easily DIY the tips. The only thing that puts me off is the tiny drawing area. Not very portable, that's for sure.

>>4970890
There are probably enough pressure sensitivity levels that you won't notice/care.
I notice very little difference between my Ipad Pro and my XP-Pen when it comes to pressure sensitivity specifically.

Feng Zhu still uses an Intuos Pro 3 last I checked, he's been using it for forever and he draws amazing stuff, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. As long as it works, you can create good stuff on it, assuming you are good enough yourself.

>>4968566
>Chinese sale
Only relevant if you live in a third world country (USA etc.). European countries usually enforce a 2 or more year warranty window. Without that, you get XP Pen's Chinese warranty which is 18 months and they may charge you the shipping from China and back for every case, not to mention if something goes wrong and they deny their fault, who is to offer you protection? Storefronts with local shipping are more expensive but are also much safer.

any thoughts on the wacom ctl-472? Also is my first time on buying one

>>4971184
don't get a small tablet, you'll put strain on your wrist. The sensor size is like drawing on a post-it. Could you do it? Sure, but over long periods of time it gets real tiresome. Medium is considered the universal sweet spot for portability while still being ergonomic. Large is great if you're looking to draw from the shoulder and not concerned as much about portability.

>>4970807
the intuos 3:
great build quality
doesn't eat nibs
less than $100
basically the last good screenless, wired tablet

the sucky part: is it's a discontinued product and the stylus is getting more and more difficult to find. Isn't bluetooth, not a real problem but hipsters complain.

>>4971228
I see, so which tablet do you recommend for a first timer?

>>4962759
don't you miss the dial for quick zoom?

>>4971317
a first timer? intuos3 medium (4x6) is fool-proof and inexpensive at $100. Easy to find on ebay, just make sure it says it comes with the stylus and the sell says it works so you're covered by ebay protection. Don't worry about the mouse, it's worthless. If you have the budget for a screen, either the ipad or s6 lite.

>>4971409
I do, and I mostly use my intuos+bluetooth keyboard moved to the side of my intuos

>>4970660
This is bullshit. I replace my nibs the moment they begin feeling scratchy and that happens roughly once in two weeks.

A Wacom nib lasts one evening, they use some stupid butter soft teflon plastic that really goes like crayon on sandpaper.

>>4971961
Another problem with wacom nibs is that they are so soft a hard particle like a speck of sand can get embedded in the nib and then scratch the tablet when you make a stroke

>>4971242
>last good screenless, wired tablet

Imagine being this wrong

Its not even that youre just incorrect, its that its such a pessimistic form of being incorrect

>>4971317
Get an H610 V2 instead for 50 dollars. You dont need to buy handmedown secondhand wacom shit.

What stand for the IPad do you guys recommend? A pile of books works, but I want something more sturdy and with multiple angles!

>>4972017
>>4971317

H610 works but Deco 01v2 is basically better in every aspect.

Deco 01 is slimmer, sturdier, has no flex to it, plastic doesn't squeak, the connector is usb-C feels more pleasant to the touch.

I had both and liked Deco more. H610 v2 is like a tenth upgrade of a decade old design they just keep newer main board into the anciend chinesium plasic enclosure.

If it was a screenful tablet I would probably lean towards Huion due to them using better displays with bonded etched glass, but for screenless it's hands down Xp-Pen. They are just more pleasant to the touch.

>>4972113
Zugu case

899 € private purchase, no Chinese sales conditions, tell me the (inevitable) caveat.

>>4972351
You're all good

>>4972351
NOOOOO please sir do the needful and cancel your order, a chang idiot ate my dog

>>4972351
It works on my machine
Had a few bugs right after I received it but I haven't had any problems for weeks now. The dual dials are really nice, especially since I'm left-handed.
I'd still prefer a 24 inch Ipad Pro but that would probably cost more than a Cintiq 24 Pro so that's a pipedream.
Go for it

>>4972351
Did it a few months ago -used a code so I paid a bit less- and it works great for me. Only issue I've had is the pen buttons. I wish they were more impeded like the old hex pens they had. I keep clicking em by accident but I don't disable them cause I'm actively using them too. Minor but annoying.

>>4972113
a few I see recommended a lot are the muse ipad pro case and the elevation lab drafttable for ipad.

I haven't used them myself (not an ipad user) but almost got them for a screen tablet.

>>4970807
Better build quality. My intuos 3 and 4 are still going strong, meanwhile every intuos pro after that ive had has broken on the inside or has shit out to where no computer will recognize them, the fucking light just blinks. Driver on the inside of the tablet went out.

Would a Galaxy Tab 7+ be a good portable supplement to my decidedly non-portable Cintiq 22? I need something that can easily be brought on a plane/luggage. I have a VEIKK A30 I got a while ago but never really touched because I don't like using screenless tablets

>>4973395
Definitely. Make sure to check out CSP, Infinite Painter and Ibis Paint.

>>4972508
Imagine paying over 100 dollars for a laptop tilt stand. I just watched the video and the way he tried to put the iPad on all those flimsy stands that are obviously made for like an iPad mini was like watching a shitty infomercial on JVC
>are you SICK and TIRED of flimsy iPad stands that can’t handle the MASSIVE SIZE of (your) iPad?

Is Huion wh1409 v2 worth getting over original wh1409 for like 30$ more, or there's no real difference?

Is Wacom Intuos S bluetooth good? my budjet is 120€ max, I'm getting my first one

>>4973929
Virtually all of wacoms products are overpriced. They work, but offer terrible value for money.

>>4973929
It's perfectly fine, definitely better than the chinese rubbish. At least you know you're getting a good pen.

>>4973932
a new one would be 89€ do you have any alternatives or recommendations?

>>4973947
Youre not even getting a good pen with that though. You barely get decent pens with the intuos models and even intuos pro. What are you smoking? Do you even own a tablet?

>>4973951
He will probably recommend you chinese rubbish where the pens break very quickly.

It sucks that there's no good cheap competition, but an Intuos S is fine to start out with.

>>4973929
If you can't afford a wacom M, get a chinese tablet M or something. Medium is required, smalls will hurt your wrist.

>>4973947
Pen quality means shit all when you have to get surgery for severe carpal tunnel. Wow, a few dollars worth of extra value, compared to needing medical intervention to stop the pain waking you up at night! Small tablets are designed for ngmi who are too lazy to pick up a pen for longer than a few hours.

>>4973962
Says the fat ass using a mouse right now

>>4973951
Xp Pen Deco Pro v2.
XP Pen Star 05.
Huion HS610.
Huion HS611.

Research your options. Take your pick.

>>4973965
No argument, huh? Just resorting to name calling and some dumb shit about a mouse? Ok crab, come back when you have some experience with tablets.

>>4973968
All Chinese garbage.

>>4973979
Give it a rest you schizo retard. No one cares what you think.

>>4973981
t. Zhang

>>4973955
Had mine for 4 years now, still going fine. Just dont throw it around like a dumbass.

>>4973951
I tried an intuos medium (non pro) earlier this year and it was very apparent that wacom doesnt like you cheaping out.

>>4973991
You're trying awfully hard to make that sale pitch, Zhang.

>>4973989
>itll work this time!

>>4973993
>>4973993

Is this how you cope with your Chinese background?

>>4973993
Ok Zhang guy, you convinced me. Just to spite you I'm trying out the Deco Pro, actually got it for 90 with local shipping, arrives Thursday. Bet it will work just fine. Checkmate buddy.

>>4973955
>He will probably recommend you chinese rubbish where the pens break very quickly.
>all the broken pen and nib issues are being reported from Wacom users.
>3rd party pen issues include fixing a screw to make pressure better


Okay. Okay. Almost fell for it. Thought it was weird that he recommends old wacoms for being on par with current 3rd parties but still tells you not to get them. Lolol yah almost caught me Wacommie.

>>4974271
> on par

the english word is 'better', the old wacoms have better:
build quality
drivers
reliability old wacom going on a decade while xp-pens break within two years CHEAP!
stability with a broad range of software

i don't know how much longer i can take using this 3"x4" tablet
my wrist gives in after a few hours
either getting artist pro 15" or deco pro but really not sure which
leaning towards artist because i tend towards wanting more precise line art

>>4974305
>wacom
>stable drivers
?

>build quality
For screenless tablets? I wont even bust your balls by highlighting how solid the deco pro is, Ill address with an open question; What exactly are you guys all doing with your tablets/pens that make them break or snap or make the build quality anything more than just a subjective metric of how good it feels before placing it on your desk?

>stability with a broad range of software
You must be stuck in 2010. Even the most obscure tablet brands work with the top software nowadays, for both 2d and 3d applications.

>go to Wacom Reddit
>every non-shill thread is a complaint
oh no no no
i thought Wacom was supposed to be quality

>>4974369
>What exactly are you guys all doing with your tablets/pens that make them break or snap or make the build quality anything more than just a subjective metric of how good it feels before placing it on your desk?
Laptop bag. Also, multiple devices working together is not guaranteed and it's pretty hard to find info on that before you buy something. Not the schizo, but XP Pen has some ways to go.

>>4974380
Yeah, well thats just tech isnt it. The schizo used to spam link posts from the huion subreddits problems tag in big lists, but stopped as soon as anon did the exact same thing from the wacom subreddit. Turns out, people get shitty products now and then. Difference is, for the price of a wacom intuos pro medium, you could buy 7 (fucking seven) H610 V2s. Same specs. Insanity.

>>4974381
My deco pro arrived with a pen tube that completely protects it. And the tablet itself is solid as hell. Id worry more about scratches before something bumping out of place on the inside, so Id just wrap it in a towel or some other protective thing.

>>4974369
XPs all come with a cylnder pen holder. The bottom is a pen stand for without the tube, the top holds spare nibs. Both ends have rubber on them so they stand up better.
>i constantly knock mine down. put them in a drawer if you have.

My OG Wacom I had for years I put in one of those pencil holders they have for kids you can stick to the top of their desks. Wasn't great, but I still had the pen when the old girl finally croaked.

>>4974305
For someone who has so much free time and internet access you really are less educated than you've convinced yourself. Or are those words too big for you as well?
>reliability old wacom going on a decade while xp-pens break within two years CHEAP!
My Wacom is about 7 years and holding. My XP is 5 and holding. It's about not being retarded with technology, Zhuumer. Which is why everyones trying to help direct the noobies to items that work rather than the ones that hurt your feelings.

>only old wacom
>oh, but what happens when we run out of "old" Wacoms?

>>4974305
>Retarded /pol/tard doesn't draw and keeps larping

>>4974305
Wacom has the worst drivers I've ever had the displeasure of using. There's a reason professionals stick with the one driver that works and never update it for fear of it breaking itself. A wacom update BRICKED my tablet. My screenless regular ass tablet. What the god damn fuck.

Huionbros... We won!!

>desperate ching chongs still trying to shill
lmao

>>4975364
Fuck off youre just going to make the schizo worse.

>>4975599
Good

https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-intuos-m-bluetooth-pistachio-us-ctl6100wle0.html

is this ok

>>4975665
NOOO

>>4976046
No, better get the Pro for $100 more. Also order 100 nibs for a bit over $100 and you'll be good to go for 100 or 200 days. Wacom Premium, your choice.

just bought a intuos 3 medium off ebay. hopefully i'm not falling for a meme again.

Should I place a screenless tablet completely flat on the table? Or is it alright to angle it slightly vertically, like with screen tablets and easels?

>>4977145
Angle it.
You are going to get neck cramps and posture issues looking over it and having it flat.

>>4977145
Live your life however you want man nobody can stop you

>>4977145
angled is much more comfortable for me

>>4977260
I've literally never seen anyone use those angled so was wondering why
>>4977300
Thanks

>Budget
400-600$

>Location
France

>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display

>Size (in inches)
Don't care

Maybe going for XP pen 15.6 pro. Depends on what will be affordable with black friday. What would you recommend ?

>>4977493
Get the cheapest used iPad Pro 12.9" 2nd gen you can find on eBay or a cintiq 16.

Don't get xp pen, it's unreliable rubbish. The pen still has squiggly lines issues and breaks easily. See >>4964015

>>4977493
Ignore schizo.

Xp15.6 pro should be fine, you might even be able to get a cintiq instead with that budget if you'd prefer, since apparently the 22 will be on sale for under 1k for once. (Or so they said.)

Avoid the innovator, colors and brightness aren't worth the extra £100

>>4977535
>still trying to shill trash
You're still chinese

>>4977557
Your input is irrelevant. Just because you bought an ipad and dont use it doesnt mean others should. xp/huion tablets work fine. Get the fuck over it and stop shitting up these threads. People will never stop making fun of you, ever.

>>4977557
You can go back to watching your country burn now, Wacommie.

>What should I buy?

>Budget
under 2k canadian pesos
>Location
Kingdom of Canadia
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Prefer display, portable not an issue
>Size (in inches)
9+
>Other information
My drawing tablet broke, my samsung tablet's screen exploded. I've been looking for a drawing tablet recently, now im hesitating between a drawing tablet (I have a very capable desktop) or an ipad pro, which i could use even if digital painting doesn't pan out. Any recs anon?

>>4977535
where did you hear 22 under 1k?

>>4977535
He's french, the Innovator 16 is at 430 euro in his country ( instead of 530 two months ago). So the price is currently similar to the xp pen 15.6 for him. I have one but can't vouch for it yet, bought it recently. So far it's great, but my previous tablet was a screenless Wacom. M'y Wacom is almost 20 years old, and works like it's new, I would have gone for a Wacom if the Innovator was still at 530 e.

>>4978276
Saw it yesterday for AmazonUK. Apparently ends the 9th.
>>4978303
I wouldn't risk the screen. Dim or off colors can be a real problem depending on your field.
>>4978243
You have the budget to get a tablet and an iPad. A 16" Cintiq or the Artist 24 Pro are about the same price and would leave you with enough for the ipad and accessories to start you.

>>4977562
You're just shilling garbage, Zhang. You're still a moron.

>>4978276
NTA but googled Cintiq Amazon Sale and got it. It's for "black friday" but seems legit.

If you don't mind this version it's a good time for Eurofags to buy a 22 Cintiq.

how is the Huion H1060P for a beginner?

>>4978538
Bad, because you will get wobbly lines.
If you're a beginner, just get the cheapest wacom.

>>4978539
"wobbly" lines? I disagree

>>4978538
It's okay. Drivers can be wonky depending on what program you use. XP's drivers a tad bit more stable as are Wacoms, however Wacom will be smaller and wear faster. You can get something solid from any of the three for under 100. You can't go too wrong with a screenless.

>>4978538
It's fine

>>4978539
>>4978541
>>4978544
>>4978546
Thanks, I'm gonna order one

>>4978560
NOO!!!

>>4978571
lol why not?

Should I buy the XP-PEN Deco Pro?

I saw the Huion KAMVAS 20 on Amazon for something like $300 new after discounts. This is nearly a twenty inch screen tablet. Am I missing something? Is this just really bad quality or are Wacom just that overpriced? Something this size from Wacom would be over $1300 if I recall. I've been looking for a big screen tablet to get into and wondering if this would be a good one to go for.

>>4978618
how are you getting that price I would buy asap

>the chinkshill gaslighting is real

I just got the 24 pro. My keyboard is way too big for it. What bluetooth one should I get that can be put on top of the cintiq?

>>4978628
It has a 15% off coupon so it ends up being about $315 with free shipping

>>4978618
Its part of the same sale as seen here: >>4978498
Amazon's having a sale on huion and Wacom displays only so far. Until Monday the 9th.

>>4978743
Do you recommend going for it? I understand it might not be as good as the big Wacom tablets, but is it really so much worse that it would justify spending three times more for the Wacom equivalent?

>>4978748
Brother, believe me when I say stay away from huion screen tablets. I can't speak to their screenless ones, but the screen tablets are awful.

>>4978749
Is it the build quality?

>>4978748
I'm the anon you were asking.
Personally I prefer XP because I've been using my tablet consistently and they've been good about issues I've had. If you can afford it, I think the cintiq would be a better investment, but if your ceiling is under the 400 range, the Kamvas should be solid enough to get you back to drawing with minimal interuptions.

>>4978657
have you looked into a tenkeyless with bluetooth? Dunno what your opinion on chicklet keys.

>>4978632
> oh hi what tablet should i get
> the glorious xp-pleb of course
> oh thank you i will

> number of posters hasn't changed

chinkshill is just talking to himself and doesn't realize we can see it, sad really

found a good deal on an 11" ipad. Too small? Ive only drawn on paper.

>>4978899
I don't get why everyone's obsessed with purchasing ipads and paying monthly for subscriptions to drawing applications that they will never own. I'd be more concerned with finding out how laggy that shit is when you're drawing on your computer.

>>4978904
its a 10 dollar purchase for procreate and my first ipad was the first gen that supported the pencil. even that was butter smooth. if you're just doing 2d illustration, and even some simple 2d animation, i honestly think the ipad is the most accessible and enjoyable experience for it right now. i've never drawn more than when i first got mine.

>>4978909
It's a ten dollar purchase for sure, but you can get pretty much anything you want on a computer for free, from industry software like zbrush/photoshop/maya to super meme niche freeware like Alchemy. Some things like CSP are perpetual on computers but for ipads you'll be paying the subscription forever. Plus the Apple ecosystem is just bad, you A) can't downgrade the iOS so you will inevitably face the day when iOS is too laggy to run (forced obsolescence) or B) face getting locked out of apps when Apple requires that the apps increase their required iOS. And whether or not you choose to update your iOS or not you will one day be unable to update your apps.

And when that happens, all apps with online integration will die. Dropbox, youtube, even Chrome and Discord no longer work on any iDevice I own (I've owned two ipads and one iphone and two ipod touches and all of them have faced the same fate that I have described). Wikipedia is full of "click here to view this fucking math formula". You might not think that your app has any online integration, but trust me when I say that you are living on the mercy of the developers. Say when you are trying to boot up an app and it fetches some kind of welcome message from the server when you load it. If the devs change the message or decide to no longer host the website, what happens next? Well most of the time they unfortunately do not give a shit about your ipad or iDevice on an old operating system as bugfixes are only pushed to the new ones and the recommended ios is higher than what you can upgrade to so you will just have one non working application for the rest of that iPads life. And there will be so many nonworking applications.

Also, iOS battery replacement is expensive. If you, for example, decide to get your device serviced at a non Apple authorised shop and bring that device to Apple, when the employee checks your device and finds a non approved component in it

>>4978909
(continued) Not only is your warrantee now considered invalid but Apple can and will deny your device from being serviced. The same goes for any modifications that they consider unauthorised such as jailbreaks, etc, so if someone is feeling like a real asshole on the day that you take your device in, for example, to get repaired or a battery replaced and you have anything that Apple doesn't approve of on it or if you have been using other repair services, you can be in some deep shit when it comes to getting your device fixed. You might not be able to get it fixed.

Now, in terms of the "well my device is basically bloated and unusable thanks to iOS upgrades that are specifically designed to cripple my iDevice into an expensive iBrick so that I am forced to purchase a new device in order to continue getting the upgrades to the apps that I have paid for and so that it isn't slow and horribly laggy" you might never encounter it if you keep purchasing a new iPad, etc, the instant your iPad feels sluggish. You might never encounter the need to purchase a new battery (protip, all of mine have sucked in that the instant it hits 500 charge cycles it goes into the shitter and the battery barely lasts any time at all so that they constantly always need to get charged).

You may never face the issue of dust being trapped behind the screen or dead pixels or colour inaccurate yellowed screens that comes as a result of the ipad/iphone overheating a bit too much.

But you could face those issues.

>>4978909
(continued)
And I am also uncertain, in terms of how good the support is for iPad to computer connection. Now, I know that for me, I would not be pleased at all to be forced only to use Apple apps, etc on my iPad. Maybe when my iPad can no longer update any of the apps etc or maybe those apps are working, I might be able to *at least* salvage something from the unusable iBrick by getting it to connect to the computer. Like a Cintiq, right?

Welllll the problem is that those sorts of screen mirroring technologies tend to be super archaic and also super laggy. So consider this, when you open up your art program on your computer and you go to make a brush stroke and it takes forever to appear. That's super unintuitive, right? Well I've never tried to use those programs at all.

But I have sure read of a bunch of people getting fucked over by trying to use their iPad to connect to their computer. Maybe it's simple lagginess or their ipad app just doesn't support pressure sensitivity in the application that they want to use it in. Or maybe the application such has switched to a subscription only model so that they only way you can connect your iPad to your computer is to keep paying money to this service and to hope this service won't one day suddenly die on your iPad. I've played games that have rescinded the "subscription features" the instant they decide they no longer support your device. So you have to do your research in this area, of whether not an iPad is, in any way shape or form, ultimately better than a cheap screenless tablet that might last you a decade if you're lucky or if it's on a 3 year borrowed lifespan like all of my iPads, iPod touches or my iPhone (which is currently also on its way out with a super yellow screen and which has already has its battery replaced once because that battery sucked so hard that the phone would switch itself off in cold weather with about 30% battery left to go).

>>4978926
yeah i despise everything about how apple operates which is why i hope it means something when i say that i've never been more productive on any other digital drawing interface, and that outweighs all else for me. its so much less of a ritual to just whip this thing out and start drawing. ive spent a couple years each with a surface and a mobilestudio pro, and none of them were as pleasing to work with. now yeah, i have a cintiq plugged into my pc for cg work, but if all you're doing is 2d illustration, like for fun or just starting out freelance, seriously just find someone who owns an ipad and try it out for a couple drawings. i had no interest until i actually put the overpriced pencil to digital paper and i just couldn't stop drawing. actually using this thing was the only way i was able to be convinced.

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Nigga it’s ten dollars, plus for the amount that I use my iPad it’s no more expensive than a phone contract. I use it a lot more than most normal people use their phones. Like 90% of people use phones on contract, barely anyone buys them outright. Then when it’s time to upgrade you can still get like half your money back when you sell the old one. I’m not even a fan boy, I wish it would last forever but that’s just technology. I’d have to upgrade computer parts eventually too, a solid computer is a much bigger financial blow at once and it’s much heavier to carry around, you think I wanna sit on a train or in a cafe and whip out a laptop and a drawing tablet and set that shit up? My iPad is a sketchbook in my bag that has unlimited art supplies included. Stop raging at “the man” it’s really not that much money to own an iPad

>>4978936
just read this. i'll expand a little: if you're some big dick professional industry illustrator and cg artist and you've got the money to throw around on a high-ergonomic, comfortable workstation, fucking do it. maybe it'll treat you better. but frankly, ive done that myself and still don't have as much fun as i do when drawing on my ipad. my workstation is a purely 3d work area now because this thing does basically everything i need for illustration without having to deal windows' bloated bullshit.

>>4978937
Yeah, I mean if you're getting a super load of mileage out of using an iPad etc, it's going to be way better than purchasing something like a Cintiq and finding out that you hate it, it's not ergonomic at all and the Cintiq, well, it's just a cintiq, it has no actual tablet functions etc. At least with an iPad you could use it for reading or as a side entertainment device if you decide art isn't for you.

>>4978938
I've already owned my way through two iPads. They aren't very functional any more. Especially because the battery drains so freaking quickly. And with a computer, at least, I'm not going to find out that I literally cannot downgrade my device, if I one day manage to install an update that totally fucks it and that no matter where I bring my computer I can get it fixed. Desktop art applications also take a very long time to raise their requirements, whereas with iOS, let's just say Apple is a total shit when raising their required iOS levels. They do it on purpose, you see. I used to repackage the applications in the past and lo and behold, it actually works on the lower iOS. They just don't want you to use the lower iOSes, they want to force people to purchase a new one. And again, with the application issues, I don't see old laptops running into an issue where they can't actually update chrome or photoshop or SAI or CSP etc within a few years!

Maybe it's not so much of an issue if you have a drawing tablet and an iPad, but if it's just an iPad and you're relying on that application to keep producing art, well I'd be very wary of it.

>>4978938
And like I said, if you're constantly going to be purchasing a new iPad and getting rid of the old one, well you'll probably never run into the sort of issues you're describing. But well, if you were going for a normal tablet, even those of the cheap variety, you can kinda expect them to last a long time. A very long time. But I think for new people who come to purchase a tablet for art, they don't come in thinking that they are going to purchase a brand new iPad in three years when it's no longer supported, I think that they purchase it with the expectation that it's done and dusted.

That's why I find iPads and Apple as a whole to be very disingenuous. People who are new to it just don't know what will happen, until it happens to them. Or it doesn't because they are a good little consumer and buy yet another one, which is again on a time limit.

>>4978950
i think the 3 years mark is a little tight, there. 2017 ipad here is still butter smooth. when can i expect it to start shitting the bed.

>>4978946
Just use a goddamn drawing screen.
If you really need a portable setup, take a fat repairable Eluktronics (US) / Schenker (Europe) 17" laptop and a Deco Pro and you're good to go.

>>4978952
You've probably got a few more years on it if you update, at the cost of increased RAM being used by the iOS, of course. But you never really know. It just depends on whether your app is coded in such a way that means that it doesn't rely on the server of the application developer and the application developer coded it in such a way that it's tolerant to changes in it. Some applications,for example Spotify, literally never change their server. You'd think that as a web based app it will just stop working. But no, it just keeps working. Dropbox, Discord etc, just freaking died.

Apple was especially nasty when these things hit the market. It seemed that every new application would require more RAM and if you hadn't it would just crash. The biggest concern when updating is that it will run more processes in the background and thus use up more RAM and usually those things are just un-disableable crapware. But there's a tonne of RAM on iPads now. I think that even if they bloat the absolute shit out if it, it's really difficult for Apple to make the devices horrible.

Probably the biggest thing is not being able to update the apps. If you get lucky with the app itself working fine and it already works fine offline, for example, and you don't rely on cloud sync to get things done and use a USB cable etc and it's not showing signs of overheating, etc, things will probably work out well. But screens and batteries are a bit of a gamble, always. And it's natural that batteries die after ~500 charge cycles.

>>4978958
>implying people want to pull out and manage 2 pieces of equipment just to start drawing

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or rather the capacity of the average li-on battery to hold 80% capacity of charge after 500 charge cycles, but after this it degenerates greatly.

>>4978962
yeah but it feeeeels goooooooooood

>>4978950
I don’t know man this is my second iPad Pro, I had one for years and then when the contract finished I got the new one as an upgrade. My battery has always lasted all day. For me 2-3 years is a long time considering the amount that I use it. Apples strength is it’s user base, it’s so massive there’s so many options, many apps many brushes, the pencil is godly, I barely have any problems, bugs, or issues at all. It works, I can airdrop shit back and forth to my Mac fast and reliably, if I had a newer Mac I’d be able to use it as a second screen/screen tablet. I’d buy one too if I felt like I’d use it more but the iPad is fine on its own. Plus on top of that I can easily use it to replace literal thousands worth of music hardware I used to have, and I can save books on it and browse the internet and store notes and shit across all my devices, the ecosystem works and it is high quality. You just have to pay to be a player. I know you can do everything with alternatives but I like iOS and Mac OS. Everything just works and that makes me productive. Not trying to sell you on it though, personal preferences, but there are a lot of reasons to choose iPad imo if you stop being mad at the system

>>4978967
Well it's a good sign, if it's not taking up too much RAM and your battery is really good. Also Apple starts throttling the devices when the batteries get worn. It was the reason why they gave out wayyyy cheaper battery replacements for iphones and the like recently. If they maintain the price, it won't be so bad even if their anti-consumer repairs policy sucks. I think it my country it's actually illegal for them to deny repairs if you go with someone else, but if you are going for a third party repair service, it's a good idea to read up on your rights.

So uh, anyone use an 11" over the 12.9"?

>>4978974
i've used both for around 2 years each. obv the bigger one is a bit more comfortable but the 11" is still more enjoyable than any tablet that forces me to sit at a desk.

>>4978974
Pervert

>>4978974
Most of the iPad is screen space. It's not like with a tiny ass drawing tablet that has an active area smaller than an A5 page. I don't think that a smaller iPad will cripple you.

>>4978749
my kamvas 22 plus works just fine. Far better than the xp pen 15.6 pro I tried out in March

>>4978964
>Implying a flimsy small tablet with mobile apps and touchscreen controls is in any way comparable to desktop drawing
>Implying you're gonna pull your iPad out of your pocket in random daily situations and start doodling right where you stand

>>4979051
lmao are you trying to make the argument that an ipad is somehow LESS likely to be used like that? i can draw on a plane in a few seconds with an ipad. if you think a laptop and a tablet are going to be a more enjoyable experience than that you're unabashedly retarded

>>4979067
>I can draw quickly on an airplane with my Ipad
Just tells me your standards are extremely low. Post work. I want to see your magnificent shaky 5 minute doodles.

>>4979070
>obvious strawman
regardless of how good you think my work is, the point im trying to make is that an ipad is going to be the easiest and most convenient digital drawing implement you can buy right now. like i said above, if you'd rather hole up in an office with a $6000 workstation to fund your freelance or wfh operation, by all means. but if you're like most digital artists who either do it as a hobby or to make some side cash, just get a used ipad. its cheap and comfortable to use. at no point did i claim that it will be perfect for everyone, but i fully believe it will be perfect for most people.

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>>4979087
Don't worry about that guy you're replying to. Ching chong doesn't like it when people talk up tablets that aren't XP Pen or Huion.

>>4979087
>$6000 workstation
More like $2100 for everything new. I also bought a barely usable tablet and a flimsy convertible once. The difference is that I am not repeating my mistakes.
>>4979091
Not the schizo, I just know what you can do with technology and what's fucking useless.

>>4979093
in how many cases do you think it is absolutely critical to use a desktop OS to illustrate?

>>4961826
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>>4978498
the price is still eye watering for something with shit contrast ratio and 22 inches

>>4979126
>early thread
Fuck off idiot. Once again you prove to be a hypocritical chink.

>>4979117
on the flipside, apart from sketching outdoors or attention seeking in a coffeeshop, what do you need mobility for?

>>4979134
go talk to your ceiling or something

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Why can't we get get rid of the schizo? This isn't even funny, I'm seriously tired of this shit.
It's clearly mental illness, don't entertain him.

>>4979135
maybe you have an office job? or you're a student? or you don't like to hole up in a stuffy room to work all the time because it fucking sucks? christ, say you just wanted to draw in the living room instead of the office. quite a few people prefer not to stay in one place forever, you fucking basement-dwelling troglodyte.

>>4979147
Stop pretending you're not the chink shill, moron. You've been gaslighting all thread in anticipation for making your early thread.

>>4961842
I've been using a Huion GT-191 since I got it last Black Friday and while there have been hiccups in my experience here and there, it's a very good tablet if you want a large screen tablet to use at a desk, but don't want to shell out the cash for a Wacom. It's over a year old at this point and I haven't even had to change the nibs despite it coming with at least 10 replacements, and it even came with an extra pen. Genuinely not a shill, I've just had a mostly pleasant experience overall, though I have had a weird problem that when I try to open sai using my tablet pen, it doesn't open and I have to use my mouse instead. That might be a Chinese tablet thing since I had that problem with XP Pen, but throughout my years of using my $50 Monoprice tablet (which I would absolutely recommend if you're on a budget but need something quality. It feels like drawing on sandpaper, but despite the price, it lasted me 2 years before it started to die) it never did that.

Looking for a christmas present for my lillte sister:
>Optimally under 100 euro; max 150
>Europe
>type not sure as i am just visiting. I guess a drawing tablet to connect to her laptop?
> size: no idea
>she has been painting quite a bit and digital art would be a new experience for her
> previous equipment: none

thanks for your help

>>4980405
Deco Pro Medium (using simple paper as a "sheet", because it's awesome) is a pretty solid choice at this price range, especially if you don't want additional excruciating nib costs. But keep in mind that the digitizer sometimes won't work on startup and you will have to look for the cause. In fact, I was going to prove >>4980516
wrong, but Photoshop doesn't work right now for whatever reason. She should be a bit familiar with PCs to the extent that she can easily set up WinTab for whatever graphics program she uses, but that is usually fairly straightforward. All of this also goes for Wacom, sadly.

If you want a screen tablet, then you have to go much deeper into your pockets. Keep in mind that Wacom in particular skimp out on screen quality on lower end devices, and the $300 Wacom One, being the bottom of the barrel, has a pretty abysmal screen. Not that you can't draw on something like that, but it sure will be intrusive.

Standalone tablets (Apple, Samsung) are usually even more expensive and come with a lot of drawbacks, like limited functions and controls. Once you see how powerful Photoshop's brush settings are, it's hard to go back.

So, Deco Pro, or a cheap Wacom Intuos are my recommendation.
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>>4980832
thanks for all that info man. the deco pro looks really good. now i guess that you and all the pros use photoshop, but are there also good free or one time purchase software alternatives?
can she use the deco pro to draw on her iphone 10 too?

>>4980974
I, a certified professional anonymous internet user, am here to help you.
Clip Studio or Krita are fine really, but I find Krita's brush panel to be a bit too complicated for consistent use. Haven't done anything with Clip Studio other than a cursory look. Don't think it has a dedicated mapping section for pressure / tilt, which is I admit is rather niche when you don't want to spend quite some time preparing your brushes for different tasks. It's trying to be more on the "intuitive" side.

You could also get away with Sketchbook for a very basic software, but basically you get the barebones approach of Apple Procreate without the tight integration advantages that some people like about Apple, so it's not that great really. I would call it "Advanced Paint".