/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4952790
Same copypaste again LOL.
A schizo, a retard, and a sloth.

>>4952790
What is the final redpill on the Galaxy Tab S7? How does it fare against the iPad Pro?

Is it true that some people simply cannot adjust to screenless?

>>4952790
>Wait for the Galaxy Tab S7+

>>4952790
>Fixing the copypaste OP

>What should I buy?
I got you covered senpai. Here is a sufficiently short (but spanning 2 posts out of necessity) breakdown of what you should buy or avoid. Feel free to ask further questions, but try to avoid the schizo OP.

>Drawing screen for desktop
Wacom devices simply rule as far as drawing goes. They are not just nominally the best from a technological standpoint, they simply "feel" the best. However, they do skimp out on screen quality unless you buy the really expensive options. Definitely don't buy a Wacom One. Ideally you want something with at least 100% sRGB coverage. More accuracy can be nice for certain uses, but is optional.
XP Pen is the most solid contender to Wacom and is fine as a budget alternative, but again, look at the screen quality and see how well the pen works and contemplate if you are fine with what you are buying.

>Screenless tablets
Screenless tablets may appear less intuitive than drawing screens, but they help with ergonomics as you do not need to bend over. As they contain the same pen technology as their visual counterparts, it's very much a flavor thing. But the Intuos / XP-Pen Deco lines are much cheaper than drawing screens, and of course a lot more robust.
Keep in mind, however, that the rough surface on newer Intuos models produce very strong nib wear. This is supposed to make them feel like paper, but many people dislike it. You can buy a smooth Intuos Pro sheet from Wacom for $30.

>Standalone Mobile Devices
The iPad Pro models (including iPad mini 2019) and, to a slightly lesser extent, the Galaxy S7/S7+ are the go-to tablets. Outside of simple drawings, however, these are very limited in their capabilities and doing any task is generally way more tedious.

>>4952896
The 16:10 aspect ratio on the Galaxy Tabs also works against them, as especially the larger S7+ is not comfortable to hold in your hands. They are, however, all way too small to be considered proper drawing screens. 16 inch is usually the threshold for people.
Connecting tablets as a drawing screen through Windows Ink is also not very intuitive. For the iPad Pros, you are SOL as the one "decent" solution, Duet Display, not only charges a yearly fee, but will actually mess up graphics drivers on your PC. Absolutely do not recommend. For Android we have at least Super Display, which charges you once, but that one also won't work nearly as well as a dedicated drawing screen.

>Mobile Computing
Do avoid Windows convertibles / tablets at all cost. You can find a proper explanation as to why here:
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>>4952518
As is explained in the linked posts above (which you can find later in the archive on warosu.org/ic), a proper (not thin) laptop + an Intuos / Intuos style screenless tablet are the way to go if you want to work with the same device in different places.

>In Summary
>What To Buy
Wacom Cintiq / Cintiq Pro line
XP-Pen Artist line
Wacom Intuos Pro line
XP-Pen Deco line
Proper Notebook together with a Screenless Tablet
(iPad Pro / mini 2019)
(Galaxy Tab S7/S7+)
((EMR-based Windows hybrids, DON'T BUY THEM, THIS IS JUST A HINT IF YOU WANT TO BE STUPID AND IGNORE MY WARNING!))

>What To Avoid
>Alternative screens besides XP-Pen (at least be careful and do your research)
>AES and (especially) N-Trig based pens
>Any "desktop" style mobile devices, really (Windows tablets, Chromebook, etc.) unless they are solid laptops
>Capacitive screens (shouldn't really be necessary to mention)
>The schizo (presumably OP) in these threads that keeps using the word "Chang"

>>4952896
>>4952897
Nobody cares you mentally ill chink shill. Nobody is going to read your shillposts as this thread starts moving along.

>>4952919
As you can see, I summoned him. This kind of post is what you should avoid until we figure out how we can deal with him.

Reminder to never touch Chinese tablets like xp pen and Huion. They are still terrible and struggle with basic functionality.

Discard all Chinese shills. They are extremely desperate.

>>4952926
Who is "we", idiot?

I don't know who's shilling who now

>>4952927
If the particular issue of inconsistent pressure appears, turn off Windows Ink in PenTablet. As I wrote, XP Pen are not perfect, but they are the best budget alternative to Wacoms. Screeching about "Chinese tablets! Chinese tablets!" just because I included XP Pen as a low budget option in the list is clearly schizo behavior, and it amazes me how consistently you keep up these threads with the same broken message. How long do you want to keep this up? Do you have a family? Someone you can talk to? Seek help.

>>4952940
Piss off you moronic chink shill. This has nothing to do with drivers, it's cheap hardware. There's a reason they always include 2 pens with this cheap garbage; because they're cheaply made and susceptible to defects.

Chinese tablets will always be bad.

>>4952940
You should really just ignore that guy entirely. He leaves when he is ignored

>>4952948
>when you have to samefag to back yourself up
Lmao, how embarrassing, Zhang.

>>4952896
>>4952897
Thanks for the list, its pretty good. We used to have something similar before this guy took over OP posts.

>>4952956
>Accuses people of samefag
>Wont quote multiple posts
Ok chang.

Free hong kong. Tiananmen square massacre. Ching chong ping pong. Xi jingping is winnie the pooh. CCP can suck my dick.

>>4952959
>still samefagging your own post
Still a complete moron, Zhang.

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Samefag check since the idiot refuses to do it.

>>4952965
Hmmm

>>4952974
Uh okay. I'd really like to discuss drawing technology without the schizo though.

>>4952978
Then ignore him.

>>4952976
>phone screen cap
Of course, idiot. Not to mention the exact same type of crop. Just the fact that you're this desperate to prove you're not samefagging despite using a phone just goes to show how pathetic you are, Zhang.

By the way, Chinese tablets are still bad. They cannot handle tilt properly and they still have line wobble.

>>4952835
Depends, do you look at your hands when you drive or play video games? Can you tie your shoes without having to look at them? If yes, then you have the hand-eye coordination to use a screenless.

>>4952835
No those are just people that refuse to work on hand eye coordination. Learn to juggle, im not kidding. It builds it up.

>>4952984
Im at work. Do you want me to go hop on my boss' computer just to argue with you? Fucking retard.

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>>4953005
I know you're at work, your work is shilling chinese garbage online. Sad life.

>>4952995
unnecessary gatekeeping, I can't juggle and I can use a tablet just fine

Is the S6 lite bad? I just plan to do some sketching on location and around the house. I tested it in a store along the iPads and i was having a lot of fun drawing in it.

I'm quite experienced in traditional sketching but I have used a wacom and a huion (small) tables but didn't enjoy the screenless experience. Also own an iPad 2 which sucks for drawing.

Should i get a tab s6 lite for 270eurobucks? I probably will...

>>4953063
>Is the S6 lite bad?
No? It's one of the first things recommended in the OP. It's the best value display tablet by a mile.

>>4953056
Its not gatekeeping lmao its just an exercise for anyone that has abysmally bad hand eye coordination. Sorry youre jelly that you cant juggle

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>>4947161
I don't know who to believe. so is the xp-pen deco pro good, or not?

>>4953117
No. See this webm for the issues on Chinese shit: >>4952927

You're better off buying a quality product used.

>>4953121
that webm looks pretty bad. I'm not looking to buy a display tablet though so maybe the one I get won't have that problem, right?

>>4953117
Watch reviews literally anywhere other than here, because here you get >>4953121
spamming shit nitpicking webms regarding display tablets, which have nothing to do with what you're asking about. Just go literally anywhere. Youtube, amazon, anything. Dont listen to the morons here.

>>4953117
Ching Chang Ping Pong Winnie Pooh XP Ppen is u seless chinkshit believe me I can upload that webm and call you Chang again.
Or you could listen to the others who give you genuine explanations about what to expect. Link related will give you actual bad experience reports, which do exist, but are suspiciously different from anything I will tell you.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.xp-pen.com

Intuos Pro is always the better option in any case, but XP Pen has served people well as a cheap budget option. Not sure what else to say here.

>>4953129
They all use the same digitizer. Whether it has a screen or not doesn't really matter.

>>4953131
You sure are desperate for people to watch the shill reviews, aren't you? You know youtubers have to shill this shit so they keep getting sent free tablets, right? Amazon is also swarming with Chinese.

Also, here are the videos you Chinese shills can't stand:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VH1WEYF8rlA

>>4953139
You're so fucking uninteresting. You post the same shit over and over and over again. No one fucking cares about ANYTHING Aaron Rutten says. He doubled down like a retard and now his channel will die because of it.

Let me guess. You arent a wacom shill because you recommend buying used tablets. Correct? But at the same time, I WOULD be a chink shill if I recommended used chink tablets right? Your autistic brain is so easy to make fun of lmao

>>4953145
You sure are angry, Zhang. Not my fault Chinese companies make cheap low quality products, then pretend reviewers are part of their marketing department.

>>4953151
>dodging the question
ez win

>>4953117
Buy an intuos3 medium, still used by professionals today. Considered the last good tablet, better build quality than current tablets, doesn't have the infamous nib-eater issue or finnicky usb ports. Did I mention that it's under $100? No tricks, just out of production.

no matter what I buy now, I'm going to end up doubting my decision and wondering if I should've gone with something else

>>4953160
> chinkshill
no, what makes you a chinkshill is that you work for a CCP corpo and are paid to shill on /ic and /g all day

fyi not the guy that you replied to.

>>4953170
Only if you fundamentally cant draw. Memes aside, even the cheapest shittiest tablet will work. As will a mouse. If you're old enough to post here, you should be smart enough to do your own research and see whether whats being spammed here is true or not.

>>4953174
Why must I work for the ccp? Does recommending a non wacom tablet automatically mean Im a shill? It does to the schizo because he is mentally ill and isnt sure whats real. But to you? What justification do you have, and how could I prove Im not without doxxing myself?

>>4953179
i've already accepted that every online review is paid for. hence why I came here in the first place. honestly the only thing stopping my from getting the xp pen now is >>4952927

>>4953198
So just get an Intuos 3 like this guy suggested? >>4953163

>>4953198
The webm completed its task, then. Naturally there are many, many faulty chink tablets. Youll find their forums swimming with posts complaining about issues. The only thing is, Youll find the EXACT same thing on wacom forums. Youll soon realize that yes, you just find shitty units. If you order with amazon, you have an entire month to return it. Just order one and try it out for yourself and if you dont like it, send it back and buy something else.

Just to add, try a bit of critical thinking. Huion/XPEN/whatever the fuck couldnt have gotten where they are if their products were THAT shit. Its isnt some huge fucking conspiracy. The products just work, for a far, far lower price than wacoms. If your peace of mind cant handle it, go for a wacom one. Just know that you'd objectively be irrational for doing so today. 10 years ago you would definitely be correct in focusing on wacom.

>>4953216
But that webm isn't just showing faulty units, zhang. It's showing issues consistent across every single Chinese tablet, which is the result of bad pen design.

I know you're extremely desperate to make a sale here, but that's reality. Chinese tablets have always had pressure curve hard tapering and broken tilt.

>>4953224
> It's showing issues consistent across every single Chinese tablet

Wrong. Im not going to link these for you, I already know what youll type, so if you spend the muscle energy on it you're a sucker.
but for
>>4953198

If you want to see actual, established artists, NOT career reviewers checking them out, watch

https://youtu.be/NMmKvPUsbFg

>>4953224
Let me take a wild guess out of the blue. You think that the webm you linked is representative of all chink tablets, but a webm of a faulty ipad/wacom would be a singular faulty unit, right?

>>4953227
>still posting paid youtube shills
You really are an idiot, you know that right?
Calling them "actual, established artists" doesn't mean they're not paid shills you utter moron. Business is business.

Chink tablets cannot do tilt right, and cannot attain the same smooth pressure curve seen on the iPad and wacoms.

>>4953234
You have the vocabulary of a 12 year old and have been dominated so many times in these discussions that its not even very exciting anymore. He even states its not paid, let me guess, he's lying right? Its all a ruse, we're being clowned, right? Industry spanning, 50k Artstation followed concept artist really NEEDS sponsorship, right? He's just shilling away, huh.

>>4953145
You Chinamen sure hate aaron rutten, don't you?

>>4953212
yup

>>4953242
>He even states its not paid
Ah of course. I was convinced he was getting paid, but since he's stated he's not getting paid, it must be true review.

Keep the tears flowing, Zhang. Your desperation to make a sale is funny.

>>4953243
Wacoms going to be acquired by samsung or apple within the next 5-10 years, ruttens outlet will be another marketing channel. He doubled down out of impartial reviews, which is essentially shooting yourself in the foot as a reviewer. He's just a dime a dozen boomer making contrived, lackluster decisions based on pride. He's lost touch.

>>4953249
Ah, like pottery.
So its the he's lying card it is, kek. I suppose asking you if you're bothered at all by how predictable you are as an NPC is rhetorical, but I might as well put it out there.

>>4953255
i don't get why you can say so much and still not actually say anything. is that how they teach you english in guangxi? you pick up rando internet slang and just piece them together?

>>4953265
Oh sorry I forgot, let me rewrite it for you.

I wont ask you if you are an NPC, because NPCs dont have self reflection.

Better?

>>4953268
sorry chang, your weibo translate is still acting up. try again.

Anyone using SuperDisplay app from a windows pc to android tablet? Is there any free alternatives that would work for that? I tried Google Remote Desktop and the pen didnt work

I just bought the S6 Lite because of /dtg/ recommendation, it seems perfect so far besides being kinda small

>>4953292
Yeah the small size is the main drawback, but it's great if you can get used to it.

superDisplay is the only app that lets you use the S6 Lite as a digitized display tablet. There's also stuff like virtualtab that lets you use it as a non-display, or a pseudo-display tablet.
Just be glad it's not like the iPad, where your only options are astropad and duet display, which are like $80 per year subscription.

>>4953212
Yes dude. It's not a hard choice. It's not that expensive and it's been an industry standard for a long time. Why fuss over it? I bought a Huion for my first tablet about 5 years ago but now use an Intuos Pro medium. I regret waiting to switch.

alright, tell me the downside of getting a used tablet. I see the "Wacom Intuos 3 PTZ-930 9 x 12" on ebay for $40. I don't see how I can expect the same quality from a used $40 tablet compared to getting something new and expensive. I get that old stuff is supposed to be higher quality but if getting it is a compromise then i'd rather just get something more expensive.
also, the one I found on ebay doesn't come with a pen. are the new wacom pens backwards compatible or would I need to find an old one?

>>4953336
You need to get one with a stylus, mate. Stylii aren't backwards compatible like that. Every generation is separate.

It's cheaper also because you're looking at a 9x12. That's the sensor size, the physical dimensions are larger. Most people have problems with having a tablet that size on their lap/desk. The most common size is the 6x8. It's about the size of a laptop so it's easy to throw in a backpack and go.

>>4953336
I'd make sure it has a pen to be on the safe side.

People are suggesting it on the basis that you don't have a high budget. Of course if you have more money, you should be considering an Intuos Pro M or an S6 Lite.
A used Intuos 3 will still give you more consistent performance than the Chinese knockoff brands.

>>4953212
I would 100% recommend an intuos. Pretty much every Chinese artist or industry professional or my fave anime artists use an intuos as well.

Asking again for confirmation (>>4952198)

I actually have the Intuos5 Touch Medium, not the Pro Medium but I guess they're pretty much the same except mine has touch enabled.

If I want something as similar and great to this as possible (BUT WITH A DISPLAY), do you guys still suggest getting the Cintiq 16?
>$650, $350 more than I was hoping to spend
>macro button moved to a remote (hoping this isn't awkward to use)
>touch is kill (which I always had disabled anyways but maybe with the lack of a zoom wheel attached you might want touch?)
If you guys still really recommend it though and think I will love it as much as I love the Intuos5, and it's as reliable (will last 5+ years no issue with proper care), I am willing to give it a shot.

>>4953522
The Cintiq 16 is a good choice

I recommend it just be sure to get a proper stand for it.

>>4953522
I would suggest not getting the Wacom Remote instead try the Clip Studio Tabmate

as far as a stand I recommend the Boyata laptop stand

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>>4953584
Oh heck I thought it came with the remote and a tiny stand... I use my keyboard for shortcuts on the Intuos5 anyways (besides zoom) so I should be fine without a remote for now, probably... And I never felt the need for a stand before but maybe I will now with a larger tablet+display, plus it's cheap anyways so I might try it.

I like that the Tabmate is much cheaper, why do you suggest it over Wacom's though?

>>4953606
The Wacom EK remote isn't reliable.

Compared to the tabmate the EK remote isn't ergonomic to hold and if the dongle is lost you will have to buy an entirely new remote. The touch ring is glitchy as well.

It's overpriced junk really and if you want to use the tabmate with other software you can use it with JoytoKey.

>>4953198
>i've already accepted that every online review is paid for.
OP of the thread is a Samsung shill, believe the opposite of everything he says.

You can figure him out by extremely poor vacabulary.

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>>4953697
>You can figure him out by extremely poor vacabulary
>vacabulary
Oh dear, Zhang...

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>>4953698

wait wait wait ... you've been gone for hours. Did you seriously just have a crash session with your devs so you could create a counter to OPs video? Awww how cute!!!

quick, someone reach out to the xp-pen subreddit. Chang can fix your issue if you post a video!

How good is the S7+'s OLED screen?

If I was in the market for a 1k AUD tablet, what's my best bet? I've been warned away from non-pro Wacoms, so what else is there in the price range?

>>4953895
Non-pro Wacom is ok, at the very least it's better than Chinese tablets. Also the older non pros like the Intuos 3 and 22hd are great.

You should also consider a used iPad pro 12.9" second gen or a galaxy tab s7. I got that exact iPad for $840 aud on ebay with the pen and keyboard.

>>4953363
>Stylii aren't backwards compatible like that. Every generation is separate.
Thats a total lie. There are a lot of wacom styluses that work with at least a few different generations or models of tablets each. Very few only work with one tablet. I can use my intuos 4 stylus on my intuos pro 5 and vice versa.

>>4953129
Its a driver issue or a tuning screw issue which is easily fixed. People have posted videos/webms of theirs working just fine from the start or after fixing it. This guy does this shit every thread.

Those tablets are fine, if youre worried just get it through amazon so you can return it quickly if something is wrong. I used one of their artist pro display tablets for a while and it wasnt nearly as fucked as that shit he keeps posting every thread.

>>4953909
Not that anon but checked out au ebay for the 2nd gen and seems pretty decent, though can't find any with the pen included. Always worried about scratches and marks and shit but some are only 700 buckaroos
But, I wanted to ask, you're happy with the 2nd gen model? & did you get it from a certain ebay seller or something, that makes it a little safer?
been wanting a 12.9 for ages now, but it's been sold out everywhere for ahwile & now I ain't as well off as I was when I wanted one, lel

>>4953945
I got a pretty good deal on mine. It's all a matter of patience and scavenging eBay efficiently.

Ebay sellers have to specify scratches in the description or you're eligible for a return. ipads don't scratch that easily though because they're smooth glass, rather than something like etched.

I like the second gen model because it retains the large bezels, which gives a bit more room for holding the tablet than the 3rd gen model. I wouldn't worry too much about eBay safety either, because the return policies always work. Just make sure the seller has 99%+ feedback.

>>4953924
You're an idiot, zhang. The issues from that webm are related to pen design, they literally cannot be fixed.

>>4953955
cheers bud, I'm definitely gonna keep an eye out then.

Is this something I shouldn't risk buying used?

Might end up returning anyways if I don't like it

>>4953960
Man you've been told and BTFO on that one multiple times now. Give it up already

>>4953275
God, this is so funny. Your position forces you to disregard any evidence that shows your sweeping statement of "all chinese tablets behave like in the webm" laughably wrong, no matter what. So when you see a video of a chink tablet working just fine and being endorsed by the user, you HAVE to say its paid promotion, you have to, no matter what. Youd have said it if it was Aaron Rutten doing it as well, you have no choice. Unluckily for you it was Dave Fucking Greco doing it, an industry famous concept artist whose worked for EA to Blizzard, so when you say he's lying (because you have to) that just makes you that much more retarded in the eyes of everyone. Truly sad to watch.

>>4953812
>haha look at me, siding with the underdog schizo, china BTFFOO!!!

Your IQ isnt high enough to comprehend this but Ill give you the benefit of the doubt

Everyone here fucking hates china. But the fact is, in this day and age, you have more options for buying tablets than you ever have before and continuing to suck wacoms overpriced cock objectively makes you a retard.

are there any artist reviews about the new ipad air 4 already? I really wanna buy one but I am not sure yet.
What do you guys think about the sotrage? Would 64gb be enough if I only wanna draw and read books on it?

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>>4953117
I ended up just buying the wacom intuos pro medium. over double what I originally planned on spending. reading all the arguing in the thread got to me and I figured I wouldn't be satisfied unless I bought a high end product. are you happy now?

>>4954871
there are artist reviews of the air 4 on youtube, go check em out.

64gb is fine if all you're gonna do is doodle and read books. If you're going to downloading a few movies off netflix then that's a different story.

>>4954888

The only one I found so far was this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5fF8ReqqY
the other reviews are just talking about the specs and are older. If you got any other good ones it would be cool if you could link it!

I hope it is enough then, I prefer watching streamed stuff and mostly on my pc anyway. Thank you anon!

>>4954872
> are you happy now?

No. Once you get your tablet draw circles and other primitives every day for two weeks. Post results.

Every day, I don't care if it's for an hour or four. Every day you hear me dammit?!?!

What’s the best pressure sensitive stylus for the iPad Pro 4th gen? Apple Pencil?

>>4954910
Yes, obviously

>>4954872
I tried to help, sorry. He really got to you didnt he. Ah well, sorry about the money. Itll work, dont get me wrong, but no better than one for 60 dollars. This isnt 2005.

>>4954872
Please dont tell me you got the newest model... you got the 2015 version or the intuos 4, right? Oh god anon please no the newest intuos pro is so fucking bad

>>4953979
Probably not. If youre buying from individial sellers instead of the wacom amazon store just make sure the seller has some kind of return policy.

Xp is having a sale for anyone who wants a Deco Pro, since that's their most universally solid tablet right now.

>>4954872
You'll be fine. Again, don't worry about the chinamen replying to you.

The main issue with the current Intuos pros are the nibs wearing out quickly if you press too hard. This can be easily fixed by sticking a smoother surface on the drawing area or not pressing down as hard. Still, you're getting a much better product than Chinese rubbish; it has touch functionality, tilt shading that works, pressure that doesn't taper hard, etc.

>>4954872
You'll be fine. Again, don't worry about the chinaman replying to you.

The main issue with the current Intuos pros are the nibs wearing out quickly if you press too hard. This can be easily fixed by sticking a smoother surface on the drawing area or not pressing down as hard. Still, you're getting a much better product than Chinese rubbish; it has touch functionality, tilt shading that works, pressure that doesn't taper hard, etc.

>>4954871
>10.9"
>at that price
discard

>>4954872
You have buyers remorse because you didn't do your own research and got scared by an offboard american shill who's only interested in wasting your money rather than making your purchase worth it.

That aside, the Intuous should be fine if it's the older model. The newer ones are designed to bleed your wallet to replace the proprietary nibs or the cable.
If you got it through Amazon, try it and return it if you feel like you spent too much. Like >>4955033 Said, XP is having a sale so you might be able to stay under budget if so.

there's a reason Wacoms reviews on Amazon have been mostly negative lately. They're not who they used to be.

>>4955023
>>4955089
>Please dont tell me you got the newest model
>the Intuous should be fine if it's the older model

>>4955068
>This can be easily fixed by sticking a smoother surface on the drawing area
any reccomendations?

>>4955089
>>4955109
Again, the official smooth sheet is what, 30 bucks. And yes, it is probably necessary but the "Chang Guy" won't even tell you that because he is a schizo and doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-texture-sheet-m-smooth-ack122211.html

>>4955089
Goddamn you're desperate, Zhang. You still haven't given up.

By the way, all your chink "sales" are the same fake sales you see all the time on aliexpress; inflating the price by a shitload, then doing some big 70% discount that roughly equates to $5 off the original price. You idiots keep desperately trying and failing.

Also, you Chinese swarm the Amazon reviews. It's easy to inflate those ratings, but on youtube you have to pay reviewers for their good ratings.

>>4955109
Pay Zhang no attention. He's here to shills, nothing more.

>>4955116
See if you can find a tablet screen protector that matches the dimensions of the drawing area. Clear is a safe bet.

Again though, I wouldn't worry too much. You should be fine so long as you don't press too hard all the time; Intuos pros are industry standard.

I am actually [redacted because announcing is against the rules] the schizo because he is just derailing these threads.

>>4955116
>>4955109
holy fuck. No words.

Of all the people you choose to believe in this thread, and you now feel uncertain about your purchase? Fucking good. Yes, you wasted your money. Imagine paying fucking 350 dollars for a NON DISPLAY TABLET in 2020, jesus mother on earth. Now you have to get fucked even harder by buying a smooth surface sticker for what, 50 dollars? Yeah yeah, china btfo, but now you see the redpill about wacom shit.

>>4955309
it's not too late for me to refund. tell me a good display tablet then. the schizo in me is telling me that everyone in this thread is secretly working together to make me buy something more and more expensive.

>>4955321
except no, its the opposite. Im trying to advise you to buy a far cheaper tablet, because wacoms patents expired and you can get great tablets for fuck all money because their monopoly is falling apart. Wacom used to be the only reliable option for tablets for a long, long time. They could therefore price accordingly. But now you have all the other options. Deco pro is on sale now, pick one up from amazon to try out. Or even cheaper/smoother surface, an H610 V2 for 60. I linked you the review vid with Dave Greco earlier. Thats as honest as you can get.

Usually I wouldnt give a shit about any of this, but for some cursed reason we have an autistic schizo lord spamming in every single fucking general about how to only buy wacom or apple because chinabad, and beginners are actually falling for it. Check pick related.

>>4955321
I am using an xp-pen 15.6 artist pro and it has been working well. I bought it in spring.

>>4955321
XPs 15.6Pro. Not the Innovator 16, the reviews have been unanimous that it's screen is strangely dark.
Pro has a decent working space, decent screen, decent pen, minimal parallax, Hotkeys you can turn off if they're not for you, solid drivers and it's technically only $75 more than the Intuos.
I say 15.6 because smaller is going to feel more cramped and probably fuck with your posture, but the Pro 13/12 displays from them are basically the same just smaller.

Avoid Wacom One as the small size and technical issues aren't worth the price tag. The smallest display you can get from Wacom that's reliable is the Cintiq16 which starts at 650 after the One which goes for 400 normally.
XP's cheapest current tablet is the 12" at 250 and easily returnable if you buy through Amazon.

Just think about what kind of headaches you're willing to deal with. Are you willing to have some paralax in exchange for a lower price tag? Do you have an interest in using hotkeys, are you okay with buying new nibs regularly, or replacing screen protectors?
Wacom is a good company thats unfortunately seeing quality issues that are letting the competition catch up performance wise. This is a time where some tablets are so close it acceptable working quality that it's hard to distinguish what makes it better than the next.

>>4955321
Seconding these
>>4955343
>>4955419

I have the 15.6 pro as well (was recommended it in one of these threads before the schizo appeared) and its been treating me very well so far. I had a little issue with tilt getting bugged out but it was easily fixed by tuning the stylus. Ive had mine for a year now and its still going strong. Constrast ratio sucks a little and you should use a colorometer on it if possible to get it calibrated right, but those are my only complaints so far.

If you end up keeping that nasty tablet just get a screen protector and slap it on there. Thats what i did with my old wacoms and it worked well.

>>4954910
Just wondering. Sometimes third party stuff can be better but I’m unfamiliar with Apple products

>>4955446
Apple pencil or the wacom stylus for ipad.

>>4955321
You're going to love display tablets until the screen blows out or there are dead pixels or you get parallax issues like every other retard that barely draws.

>>4955321
There is one Chinaman in this thread desperately trying to get you to buy XP Pen and samefagging. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

All Chinese tablets are still poorly designed and suffer the issues that come with cheap pens, as seen in this webm >>4952927
and keep in mind, those are real time benchmarks, not that screen recording crap Zhang keeps posting.

>>4955321
but you were recommended to grab an intuos 3 last thread? that's the cheapest of the lot and still industry standard.

>>4955321
>the schizo in me is telling me that everyone in this thread is secretly working together to make me buy something more and more expensive.
I am no schizo and I believe this. I come in saying I need something cheap and they just keep giving me more and more expensive suggestions calling me foolish if I settle for less...
I AM A BROKE NEET

>>4955673
See >>4955555
the digits even confirm it.

There are perfectly good cheap options, you just have to make sure they're not chinese.

>>4955678
What is a perfectly good cheap option for a display tablet then...

>>4955685
Galaxy Tab S6 Lite. It's literally the best budget option by a mile, comes with a Wacom EMR pen and you can use it as a desktop display tablet with superDisplay. If $280 is too expensive for you, go non-display.

The only display tablets you will get cheaper is chinese shit from 2015 and earlier which is REALLY bad, or maybe a used Cintiq 13HD if you look hard enough.

>>4955552
Accusing others of samefagging when you're the one doing it every thread? Ok. Dude why are you like this? Do you just like fucking people over by making them buy busted old wacoms and ipads with no warranty? Is this the ultimate crab move to take out the competition? Do you even draw?

I wonder about this a lot.

>>4953979
Wacom is selling used Cintiq 16s for $450 on their ebay page. it's got some positive reviews

>>4955779
>Accusing others of samefagging
>Others
Just you, Zhang.
>when you're the one doing it every thread
I've never replied to the same post more than once. That's more your style, particularly when you're trying to shill garbage.
>Do you just like fucking people over by making them buy busted old wacoms and ipads with no warranty?
Meanwhile you're trying to shill chinese trash, like chinese companies have ever cared about warranty. lol

Those old Wacoms and iPads comprehensively outperform trash like XP Pen and Huion, and it's been proven countless times on a functionality basis. Chinese tablets cannot do tilt properly, they suffer abrupt tapering and STILL have wobbly lines.

>>4955800
Used but not refurbished and no returns. Good luck with that

>>4955552
>>4955678
>>4955803

Wrong on all accounts, again.

>>4955673
If you want to make your purchase purely on the whim on someone elses political opinion, then handmedown second hand shit that might lose support anytime is your only option if you want to not pay wacoms ridiculous prices. I urge you, sift through the archives and check the posts. See how much this retard spams his shit. He genuinely believes that A) anyone who recommends chink tablets is a shill and B) That the success of wacoms competitors is all a giant conspiracy because their tablets are all bad because he has one webm of one display tablet not working well. If you believe him, then dont whine about losing money.

is it worth upgrading to ipad air 4 or should i take the samsung pill

>>4956398
>Anons actually posted their work
>Y-you stole it from artstation
>No I'm not going to search for the original you flipped it
>Somebody else posts their work
>That's ship loool
>What about your own work?
>NOOOOO you can't do this to me you can't just pyw me like this

Also a shame you lost the post where he literally admits it was only about China. He fucking said it, he's here to crash the Chinese economy by shilling on 4chan.

>>4954052
honestly, wacoms prices have come down quite substantially on the penable display side, likely due in part to how competitive the chinese tablets are. They still want a hell of a premium,but its no where near as horrible as it use to be.

>>4956406
upgrading from what? Generally the worthwhile choices are 2nd hand ipad pro 12.9 or, if you can’t stand apple, samsung

air 4 has 4 gigs of ram and that new cpu doesn’t mean much for something like drawing in procreate. On the other hand having a 120hz 12.9 inch screen is reasonable enough

>>4952790
>can draw perfect lines, circles on paper
>literal cripple on tablet
how do i improve bros

>>4956686
Use a light stabilizer. Using a tiny amount offsets the extreme sensitivity and doesnt slow your strokes

>>4956686
>>4956688
Otherwise, try using a rough Intuos Pro and use square toothpicks or spaghetti (haven't tried myself, don't take my word for it).

>>4955455
Thank you.

>>4956627
ipad air 3

>>4952790
Kind of want a 12x16 tablet but now the only intuos 3 I see on ebay is $360 should have bought one a while back for $100. Damn.

>>4956690
I don't know about that, but on my old intuos the felt tip gives a nice grippiness that helps with getting nice lines. The plastic tip is way too smooth and glidey.

>>4956589
>wacoms prices have come down quite substantially

They simply made a new crappy line of low end tablets.

An old Cintiq HD would have a decent display and some control elements and buttons. A new Cintiq Pleb is a minimaly viable product by every metric, they are using the crappiest display panels there are, leave large air gap and no buttons for you.

The One By Wacom is absolute dogshit tier, even the pen is worse than the chinese offers. It uses the bamboo pen rather than the intuos pen.

Why is that? Because the wacoms flagship product are still the Cintiq Pro and the Cintiq Pleb must be uncompetitive, they can't cannibalize their 3000$ tablets with 600$ products.

>>4956686
Git gud.
Whatever the fuck you could on paper means nothing here, you're in the digital zone now.

>>4956252
You can return them within 30 days

>>4956759
It's about the insanely quick wear.

>>4956787
Start practicing on paper, they said.

>>4956771
>They simply made a new crappy line of low end tablets.
This. Intuos became intuos pro. Bamboo became intuos. And the shit tier tablets were born to try to recoup money lost to the cheap china tablets.

>>4956771
one - 13 inc - ok, only review of it has the thing looking piss colored, like it was a tn... my huion is definately better then that thing

16 and 22 seem to both be the same display type.

the pro 13 and 16 seem better but no where to buy them and amazon only lists the 16 as 2500$

so wacom saw a hole in the market and filled it with abject shit... I guess the only saving grace is a pen with barrel rotation support.

kind of sad really.
that said, I find using a keyboard or macro pad better then on board buttons. so lacking them isn't a downside.

>>4957196
do they still call the bamboo intuos? I thought they were doing so much damage to the intuos name they changed the branding to those shit tablets they offer.

>>4956848
>>4956787
>>4956688
the problem I have is that I can't go nearly as fast as I could before, I can write fairly clean, but no program I use can I write clean digitally.

>>4957277
>I guess the only saving grace is a pen with barrel rotation support.
The rotating pen costs 100$ extra and sold separately.
>do they still call the bamboo intuos?
Now their branding is Pro vs non-pro
The good old Intuos became Intuos PRO
Bamboo became Intuos Pleb
The good old Cintiq became Cintiq PRO
Cintiq Pleb are the new sub-standard line
One is the new ultra-dogshit line.

>>4957316
its a 100$ I would be spending on I think any wacom tablet as non seem to come with that by default.

as much as I would love to have a wacom for all its flaws, i'm honestly happy china closed the gap enough for wacom to spit out shit tablets, its kind of proof they are getting into that good enough territory.

>>4957277
Maybe they changed it again but for some time we had:
Cintiq Pro
Cintiq
Intuos Pro
Intuos
Bamboo
One

>>4957323
DESU i hardly even use tilt, ony when I need to ratate some flatbrush or the grass brush.

When i was getting my first tablet I asked Anons and friends "Is tilty important? Do you use tilt on your Intuos?" everybody said "Nope I don't use it" I also don't know anybody who actually has an art pen.

I though about getting an intuos pro large just for the fancy of it
>the tablet itself
>50$ smoother surface sticker
>100$ pen
>12$ for each bag of 10 nibs
>almost pressed the order button
>no fuck that
>ordered a 400$ latte machine
>spent the rest to fuck a hot ukrainian escorts ass
>now I can have all the delicious caramel lattes in the world

>>4957356
I abuse the fuck out of tilt and barrel rotation but I was trained for trad before digital. Im pretty sure that people who learned trad first are the only ones that care for this shit or use it very much.

>>4957313
there's my writing.

>>4957356
got to say, for normal photoshop, I don't use tilt at all, tablets just make edits easier.

>>4957361
It really depends on what you want to do, personally I love pencils, so I want a nice fast pencil, but then I also want to shade, so tilt comes into play there.

if you know what you are doing, tilt is powerful, and if you want to mimic certain brushes or brush techniques without pulling your fucking hair out aligning the fucking brush tilt manually, rotation is a godsend, by no means is it needed or even very useful, but if you want it, you feel the void of not having it instantly.

>>4957356
Spotted the mentally retarded chinaman. Again, you're just trying to compensate for yet another area china just can't get right on their trash tablets.

>>4957445
You dont even know whats real or what isnt, you poor soul. Makes it impossible to communicate. Thats ok. The only important thing is that beginners with little money dont fall for your shit advice.

Can you guys suggest me a good key binding for drawing/painting on Photoshop? It's been a while since I've used it and I forgot most of the shortcuts.

I have an intuos with 4 keys and a pen with 2 keys plus the eraser on top. Thank you very much.

This is an opinion only.

Wacom is the least bang for buck, but when drawing for 6-8 hrs, anything that makes life easier starts to become more enticing.

Other tablets are good value but don't expect perfection when you aren't willing to pay the price and are still definitely worth buying.

XP-Pen > Huion. It's a personal thing.

I don't use tilt (much) and prefer keyboard shortcuts for brush rotation than turning the barrel.

Issues are always a thing, I remember having to open a few intuos 2 / intuos 3s in the past and having to adjust the tuning screws etc, having problems with wacom drivers or needing to restart the computer at times after connecting an Intuos 4.

Windows convertibles has a specific place but laptop + tablet combo is the best. (I still use my convertible)

Galaxy vs Apple, no real winner here, it's your preference of application ecosystem though finding nibs for the Galaxy should be considered.

>>4957519
You are still one desperate chinese shill, lol. Look at all this effort you're going to, all to sell your trash.

>>4957525
I posted the image to show that I am not the same person

>>4957528
I wouldnt bother with him, it wont work. Thanks for the input though.

>>4957528
He's gonna say you shopped it, and shopped the wacon drivers too.
Can't trust anything, man, these chinks they are everywhere, the chinks read your thoughts and send you the communist dreams from a satellite, a Chang idiot fucked my wife and ate my dog, I hate chink idiot insects REEEEEEE

>>4957468
For shortcut keys?
Use a keyboard, it's industry standard.

>>4957519
>though finding nibs for the Galaxy should be considered.
are you saying nibs should be easier to find on the galaxy or the apple? sorry my firs tlanguague english

>>4957544
No I mean, what shortcuts should I put on my tablet and pen keys?
I've been using zbrush lately so I need to rebind this shit and I'm having a hard time choosing a decent setup.

>>4957559
Don't use your tablet keys, use a keyboard.

For the pen, bind the buttons to any kind of camera control, like panning or rotating.

>>4957550
Official samsung nibs are hard to source, for me impossible, but third party nibs work fine and I had to purchase them online.

Apple pencil nibs I can just purchase off their website.

Your experiences may vary.

How do you people need new nibs, especially so often??? I've been using the same one with my wacom pen for 6 years, wtf is happening to your nibs???

>>4957617
New intuos pro line has a paper texture that coupled with the newly released soft nibs results you in burning through them in only weeks, even with a soft touch. They sell you a solution to this problem for an extra 50 dollars which you have to apply yourself.

The altered the nibs so that old ones are incompatible with the new pens, so that those with stockpiles cant use them instead of buying new nibs.

>>4957643
Wtf why would wacom do that I thought they were bros?

>>4957643
To solve this problem I just bought an older gen pen. It really was astonishing to me how fucking fast those nibs wear out.

Well, I do feel like that image is over exaggerated on the Intuos 3 part, but I have only experienced Intuos 4 pens, curious to know what kind of nib material that is though.

Those new pro pens also have a lot of other issues. They're definitely a downgrade from the older more robust ones if you ask me.

>>4957519
>XP-Pen > Huion. It's a personal thing.
can you elaborate? is this about display or screenless tabs? about hardware functionality or software or customer support?

>just got my new cintiq 16 today
>already dropped it

>>4952790
Will a cintiq fuck up my posture? Should I just stick with my intuos 5 medium and get a color accurate monitor?

>>4957706
that very much depends on your setup and its ergonomics imo.
but it's easier to get issues with a display tablet i think. only because the tablet + monitor combo is hard to beat in terms of ergonomics. being able to stare straight ahead is always better.

but that doesn't mean a cintiq will always fuck you up. yoshikazu, a mangaka, draws his manga on a cintiq and he probably works longer than most people on this board. but he also has a setup like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dYb-sG3y0U&list=PLPXUtUjog4s2jbhJnKhISHufJPcN40gsJ&index=20

>>4957685
All of the above honestly.

>>4957685
The guy you're replying to is chinese. All chinese tablets are manufactured by ugee, and all of them have the same issues. Stop listening to shills.

>>4957687
Do you at least have enough money left over for the rope to hang yourself with?

Should I be using my display tablet as a 3rd monitor to draw on or just mirror the main monitor?
Or am I not supposed to plug in both the HDMI and USB?

>>4957843
What kind of tablet do you have?

And yeah youre supposed to use it however you want. Mirror it, or use it as a 3rd monitor, hell you can mirror and use it with the screen off like a regular tablet. Whatever you want bud.

>>4957852
A cintiq but yeah I guess this is just a preference thing...
Hard making the adjustment from a regular tablet to a display one desu.

>>4957643
Holy lol
So anything wacom after 2013 is aids and cancer then

How can wacom not improve anything after 7 years
Even eternal /beg/s have made more improvement in 7 years

>>4957873
I needed to know for your question about hdmi and usb. Yes you need both plugged in if you want to use the screen. If you just want to use it as a screenless tablet you can probably just get away with the usb only.

>>4957550
>>4957599
galaxy note pens are just wacom emr pens
I've used my x200t thinkpad (came out 10 years ago) pen on my tab s3 and note 4, it just works, especially since the thing looks and feels like a big, proper pen
Of course there's some calibration issues where the cursor doesn't match the tip, but ibispaint and artflow offers tip calibration in their settings
you can also use typical wacom hacks, like using cutoff spaghetti, but third party chink tips work well since it's just a piece of plastic

how do I make the colors on my tablet not suck shit? I fucking hate huion, all my yellows are fucking lime

>>4957990
chinamen win again...

>>4957995
did I pull a retard without realizing it?

>>4958000
There is a reason chinatablets are discouraged in the OP. It's because they're shit and filled with problems.

>>4957990
Ignore the resident autist. What brand of huion tablet do you have and what OS are you on? What version of driver are you using?

>>4958025
>implying wacom isnt full of problems
Schizo Aaron take your pills

>>4958036
>Schizo Aaron take your pills
Sounds like you're the schizo here, Wang. Anyone who correctly points out how garbage your chinese products are, you accuse them of being some youtuber eceleb.

>>4958032
>Brand
Pro Kamvas 12 GT116
>OS
Windows 10
>Driver version
If you mean that of my tablet, it's 14.8.128.1220

Have an Wacom intuos pro paper edition but am thinking of switching to something with a screen like a cintiq 16 because the transition from traditional to having to draw on one surface while looking at a screen seems too jarring.

>>4957990
Guessing you tried calibrating?

If not, right click your desktop > display settings
Hit advanced settings on the bottom
Select your monitor and click
Display adaptor properties for display
Select the color management tab and then click the color management button
Click the advanced tab and there should be a button to calibrate display.

Follow the steps and see if it helps.

>>4958054
That did seem to help, but the colors are still a bit fucky, I'll keep messing with them to see if I can get anywhere

Is it bad to use your display monitor as another monitor even when you're not drawing? Is there some kind of "life/wear and tear" with these modern ones? Thinking of throwing a youtube vid on it to play in the background...

>>4958106
Yes the more you use it the faster the backlight will dim. Some screens can suffer from burn in but that really depends on what kind of screen your tablet has.

>>4958063
I have always assumed that a shitty screen will not be accurate even with a calibrator, just lessen the gap of variance as much as pssible.

>>4958063
Do you own a colorometer? Does the driver have any screen settings like color temperature? Theres something wrong here. Maybe try rolling back your driver to a previous version if nothing works?

>>4958063
I returned my xp pen 15.6 pro because even with a spyder callibrator I coudlnt get the profile to match my main display. Bad colours/shitty contrast ratio is extremely rampant in display tablets, even among expensive ones. It took me a bit of research but I ended up getting the kamvas 22 plus and the colours/depth is better than my actual display. Sadly its only 1080p but even on a 22 inch screen its fine, its still smaller than my monitor.

Is the Intuos Pro S really too small? 32cm device length seem right for me.

>>4958510
Are you sure you’re looking at the small? I dont think its 32cm even measuring the physical dimensions diagonally.

The sensor size of a small is 160mm x 100mm. Do yourself a favor and cut out a sheet of paper that size and spend the day drawing on it.

>>4958482
You know xp pen has a 2k monitor with good contrast and colors right? Have fun with your huion acting up in a few months.

>>4958595
Not as good as this one. And I have 2 year warranty so if it acts up Ill send it back.

The plus has 140% RGB gamut and 1:200 contrast ratio for 500 dollars.

Does higher refresh rate help with screenless tablets? Still have a 60hz monitor on my desk.

>>4958598
I hope that warranty is through another website and not just Huion because when I contacted them about my tablet being DOA they called me an idiot that doesnt know how to set up a tablet or install drivers when I requested an exchange. I had to send videos of me fucking with my dead tablet and messing with drivers and settings every day for a whole month only for them to tell me they will not exchange it because "We do not send broken unit out. You must have mishandled the tablet and broke it."

>>4958613
Support is hit or miss with everyone it seems. Ive had good and bad support with both huion and xp over the years. Video evidence requests arent unusual though, when my first ever display tablet arrived with an entire dead zone in the screen I recorded the issue upon request and I get a new one sent to me.

>>4958616
I think they either didnt want to deal with exchanging the tablet or the woman emailing me was on her period and taking out her bleeding rage on me.

I get that the Intuos Pro Paper is just an Intuos Pro with extra accessories, and I can actually get it for a bit cheaper than the regular version. With the Pro Pen 2 also included, what's the disatvantage of the Paper bundle?

>>4958598
>140% RGB
that's srgb you idiot, literally worthless.

>>4959356
Uh huh. Lmao

You havent a clue what you're talking about

>>4959416
You are a colossal idiot who doesn't even know what srgb is, or how it compares to adobe rgb or ntsc.

>>4959422
Look it up. No one believes you. I dont even print any of my work.

>>4959444
>Look it up. No one believes you
Are you really this desperate, moron? You're just further confirming you know nothing about digital color gamut standards, idiot.

Not a single professional in the industry gives a single fuck about srgb you utter moron.

>>4959519
>being this clueless
Jesus christ. So you're an imbecile in more than just one field, shocker. Besides the fact that the plus has 104% adobe rgb (cintiq pro 32 has 98%), the only people who are going to need that space are photographers using PS/printers. Fuck all websites use adobe rgb colourspace, Srgb is absolute standard. Now fuck off and squirm harder, little worm.

>>4959547
All you can do is throw toys out of the pram when you were called out for the clueless moron you are.

>>4959550
>no rebuttal
>again

So easy. Then again, let me guess, you've always just been pretending to be retarded all this time amirite.

>>4959444
I think he was just pointing out that The Kanvas is 140% sRGB but you said RGB. I think the argument started because you have the terms switched.

If you are working digitally and only display digitally, most monitors hover at 100% sRGB and even browsers cap it at that (and certain file formats). So for others who are looking at display tablets, 100% sRGB is the minimum bar you should be aiming for in specs.

RGB covers more range which is useful to match your monitor to print colors though most printers will ask you to convert your files to cmyk and do a gamut pass anyway so judging monitors with this spec is usually reserved for photographers.

>>4959591
Yap. The thing im happiest with is the 1:200 contrast ratio.

hypothetically speaking what am I supposed to do if a little cum gets on my display tablet?

>>4959609
Lick it off

>>4959609
If you have one of the latest XP Pen, they come with a small cloth. Use it to clean the screen. If you have a Wacom, you're out of Luck and the stain will never go away.

>>4959623

>>4959609
Put your tablet in the dishwasher for that extra clean

>>4959597
Yeah just don't switch the specs around because you made the monitor sound way better than it actually is and it did make you look like you had no idea what you were talking about.

>third gen iPad Pro on sale for 800 bucks today
Fuck I wanted it. I really need to sell off my iPad Air 3 and make the transition. Anyone do full time work on their pro? I feel like I don’t even need a computer and I have the 10.5 inch air, it just works so damn well

Cintiq 16 good to buy? should i wait for a newer model?

>>4959655
I left out the s by mistake, but rgb doesnt mean adobe rgb by default now does it. srgb remains standard virtually everywhere so assuming its adobe shouldnt be a first reaction

>>4959714
Well if its RGB it means the full spectrum, you can't have 140% of more than the entirety so when you say 140% RGB people assume adobe.

Same with sRGB, actually created by HP and Microsoft, but when mentioned people assume Adobe sRGB.

sRGB is not a standard virtual everywhere. That is why printers often ask for your color profile along with your files

Sorry, going to the side with the other guy, it does seem like you don't know what you are talking about.

>>4959753
Suit yourself, cupcake. You'll be good company for him.

>>4959665
>Fulltime work on a tablet OS
If you want to deliberately slow yourself down on every instance, sure.

>>4960050
>every instance
You're exaggerating

I snagged me a Kamvas 22 Plus that was $160 off just now.
How is it?

>>4960107
Coping with investments (in time, money, and effort) will never make you happy, anon.

>>4960050
Are you an idiot? You don't need Windows or MacOS to draw. The only people who need full PCs are people like sakimichan who work with 80+ layers.

>>4959205
as long as you aren't paying more for the paper accessory, get it.

>>4960127
>time and effort invested
How is this a bad thing? I'm still drawing and trying using the tool just fine
>money
Not really a big deal. I made the money back with commissions months ago using the iPad

>>4960119
I've heard good things.

>>4960119
congrats, its superior to the inferior offerings at xp-pen ... or should i say xp-pleb?

>>4960119
idk but I need someone to explain to me why I shouldn't get this instead of a Cintiq which is 2x the price and smaller

QUICK

>>4960318
best I could find, skim thourhg it mate, and dont forget to add the promotional extra pen nubs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s41Svr_7HWg

>>4960318
managed to get your handa on it chief?

>>4960350
no I didn't get enough (you)s telling me why I should

>>4960318
NOOOOOOOO THE CHANG ATE MY DOG
CHANG FUCKED MY WIFE
CHANG SHAT IN MY BED

YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME

>>4960318
Read the OP and watch this webm >>4952927

Chinese digital pens suck. They always have problems from dysfunctional tilt to abrupt tapering. Wacom are overpriced, but you're getting something that works like it should.

The new budget option is the Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite.

>>4960506
>They always have problems
>>4953697
>>4953698
Mine doesn't. It's a lie and you've been outed assblasted shill.

Your dead youtuber's hands shake so hard I can see it over a low resolution video. No the tablet doesn't fuck your art up, this is the part where you get gud.

Why haven't you even posted how your fantastic artpen2 works? Because you can't hold it right that's why.

>>4960530
>Mine doesn't
You're a shill though so what you say doesn't matter. Same applies for your screen recorded webms, learn what a real time benchmark is you chinese idiot.

>>4960531
>You're a shill though so what you say doesn't matter.

You admitted being a shill yourself.

>>/ic/thread/S4776104#p4780767

>>4956398
>>4955340
Add this to the picture

>>4960534
>a-anyone who dares call me a shill must be one person
Yep, you're a schizoid chinese moron alright.

>>4960536
You are one person.
Everybody could see it when the mods purged your posts for being a rabid faggot.
>50% of all the posts gone
>the only posts left are the ones calling you a retard

You are a painfully obvious samefag, your vocabulary is poor as fuck, your posts are basically identical and you've admitted being the op and a shill.

>>4960541
>You are one person.
Keep telling yourself that, chinese idiot. Won't help you make any sales though.

>>4960534
>>4960536

Also the only reason he's shilling samsung so hard is because it's made in korea rather than china.

Duh he admitted that too.

>>4960542
Keep posting identical posts so that the anons and the mods can easily tell who is who.

>>4960547
Nobody else is in this thread, chink moron. The only reason you're so deeply invested is because you're still butthurt over the fact that anyone would dare discourage the purchase of your garbage XP Pens.

>mods
Jesus christ you're stupid, Wang. Mods here don't give two shits. Even knowing that, your threads have still been purged several times. Even inactive mods can see you're a braindead shill.

>>4960531
I’ve seen you mention this “real tiem benshmawk” a lot of times, but you never actually explain wtf that is. I googled the term and it gave literally nothing.

So care to share some insight finally?

>>4960551
Basically
>NOOO THE CHINESE TABLETS CAN"T BE GOOD IT"S FAKE

>>4960550
>Nobody else is in this thread, chink moron.
So you also admit being a samefag?

>>4960119
Im happy with mine. >>4958482
Great vivid display and didnt need to calibrate it out of the box. Congrats on the discount

>>4960550
>Mods here don't give two shits

Lmao, remember when mods trashed the non schizo general and you went all "HAHA BASED MODS BASED BASED!!!!"?

And then you found out they just delete any duplicates because they also shitcanned yours when it was created after the other so now all of a sudden its "waaah the mods here dont care"

do you guys think it's worth moving from a 2017 intuos pro L to a kamvas 22?

>>4960578

Dunno i'm a screenless guy.

>>4960578
Without more info its a bit hard to say. Keep in mind that a non display can produce identical results, the only difference is ergonomics. Display tablets have more that can go wrong, require more upkeep and take up loads of room. However on the plus side, you get the "natural" feel of drawing directly on your canvas, and you get an additional display. If you're tight for money I wouldnt recommend it, but if you have the funds and just want to try one out for yourself then go for it. Thats what I did. Ill probably just use mine until ive made the money back three or so fold then retire it and go back to my non display desu.

>>4960578
You can actually try if from amazon.

As far as I know the screen on the Kamvas 22Plus is very good, the pen probably doesn't feel as fancy as a wacom.

I just spilled some fucking tea onto my tablet. It's huion H610 pro V2. I spilled it in the corner on the side without buttons is there a gap between the drawing surface and the rest of the assembly that the liquid could spill inside through?

>>4960688
No. Still helps to not be careless though. That being said, even if that huion dies its only what, 50 dollars?

>>4960697
Thanks why is there a bevel around the drawing surface though? I spilled it on keyboard too and it doesn't work properly now.

>>4960706
I unironacally clean my keyboard in dishwasher. i did it twice already and it's still fine, has been fine for a year already.

>wash with hot water no ditergent
>dry in oven at 80C for 40 minutes
>sparkling clean, dry, ready to use and smells delicious

>>4960706
A keyboard is actually more intricate than a tablet, but as long as it drys out it wont be a problem

>>4960717
Not mine because I always buy cheapest shit because for that exact reason that I spill shit on it regularly. I cleaned it and it seems to be working for now. I am still worried about the tablet though.

>>4960721
Fold a bit of tissue or get a q tip and wipe down the gap if you want peace of mind. As long as you dont get liquid in the usb port then you're golden.

>s6 lite
>medibang
I cant yet pinpoint exactly what triggers it but if I'm resting my hand on the screen and start drawing, there's like a 25% chance the pen stroke will zoom me out completely and drag the canvas at the top left. Any kind of movement/zooming in gesture done quickly brings me back to the same spot I was working on, but it's driving me up the fucking wall. Happens in landscape and portrait, glove and no glove, palm rejection or not.
Anyone else get this? I'm about to try artflow and if it happens there I'm legit thinking about returning the tablet

>>4960283
Sadly no

>>4960710
Are you the spaghetti guy? Why are you trying to make people start fires in their homes

>>4960766
No I'm legit sharing my discovery.

Sparkling clean keyboard as proof

>>4960798
ivan

when kevboard is of not clean

you most put in deeshwasher

but be mindful, use not if still wet

>>4960551
Responsiveness of the tablet which you can't see if it's screen capture

>>4954897
Not that anon who posted, but another one who started transitioning from traditional to digital recently. Legitimately good advice. I can actually draw straight lines now (most of the time!) The eye-hand coordination stuff is really the toughest part.. It was discouraging at first but feels real good to be actually improving. I still am not consistent with circles and ellipses though

>>4960798
Wow, can't wait to try this out on my $120 RGB board!

Dad bought me an Artist 22R Pro. It may not be perfect but it gets the job done. Its about the art not the tool

this thread kills me.

>>4952927
>been using huion for three years
>not a single problem so far
>inb4 chink shill

>>4960988
You've got a great tablet, hug your dad and say huge thanks.

This thread is pure shill bullshit see >>4960534

iPad comparison review:
https://youtu.be/fPT4YrSpGrE

>>4960988
Marc Brunet, a professional artist formerly worked at Blizzard, actually has pretty good things to say about XP Pen. He didn't review the one you have but the artist 24 pro and the innovator 16. He says you're not going to get quite wacom quality, but it's still pretty darn good.

>>4961045
Oh no but havent you heard anon? Marc Brunet is secretly a desperate career tablet reviewer who took a bribe from xp pen to lie to his viewerbase! He's shilling!

/beg/ here. is it just me still being new to a screenless tablet or is it just tough to draw from the shoulder on one?

>>4961076
Except he could have stop using a sponsored product at any time and continues to use his 24pro equally along with his Wacom.

>>4961192
depends, have you drawn from the shoulder before or did you start doing it after you picked up the tablet?

I have no idea if I want the 12.9" or the 11" ipad
I tried both and am leaning towards the smaller one as an actual tablet but the larger one has more drawing space but is awkward as fuck to use on a bus or something to reado n my way to work

>>4961327
> i have no idea if i want ...

if you like the 11" then get it, why do you have to ask someone else about your own preferences? grow a brain

>>4960741
Just turn gesture controls off in the setting.
Better yet, try every software instead of just two, especially Infinite Painter, Autodesk Sketchbook and CSP.

>>4961045
>>4961076
The only reason any of these artists bother wasting time reviewing tablets is if there's commercial incentive to, chink moron.

>>4960853
give me any real time benchmark example for a drawing tablet

>>4961382
hahaha, he actually responded with that

>>4960988
why sad? its an expensive tablet

hmm... i took a week break and come back drawing.
And suddenly my XP Pen artist 12 pro is not working anymore?
It was a 1 month old new tablet.
WTF?

The screen is showing, but there's usb not recognize error and the button is not working & not detecting the pen.

>>4961297
I do on paper, but not amazingly. So it sounds like it's possible, just keep working at it? It is real easy to just zoom in and out and draw from the elbow and wrist, but that's been a bad habit I've been trying to break in traditional

>>4961382
I'm the first one you responded to. I'm a wacom owner. But the reasonable conclusion is obvious if you look at Marc's videos and try it yourself. These are perfectly serviceable display tablets for art students.

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>>4961382
This.

how much do they help?

Is it worth getting models with extra built in storage?

>>4961830
yes

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