/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ohayou anon-kun~~~

>>4953126
お先に失礼します..

I think the head is too big, i think this is maybe because of the angle I'm looking at the paper when drawing making it look like the head is smaller than it is when viewed head on, kinda interesting

>>4952223
Bros, what separates an authentic looking anime eye from a bad one?

i actually dont like coloring/rendering, it seems so boring to me no matter how many times i attempt to sit down and do it
i much prefer black and white rendering, what the fuck do i do

>>4953423
Its not the eyes so much as its the whole damn face that throws off the look of authentic anime.

>>4953264
dios mio....

>>4953264
nice proportions anon

>>4953527

>>4953543
>>4953553

repost from /beg/, what are some things I should consider to improve my skills?

>>4953607
You see, this is what happens when you copy anime. If you want to learn how to draw, avoid these threads at all cost.

>>4953771
>>4953553
alright I tried fixing the proportions in sai, i swear I'm usually better, Ive been drawing digital a lot recently and I think the perspective of drawing on actual paper was fucking me up

>>4953764

>>4953796

>>4953816
lol nice

I am going to learn to draw anime :3

>>4953830
You'll be so surprised at how easily it'll come to you :P

>>4953803
good point

>>4952223

what res do you guys use?
is ultra high res important?

>>4953521
yes it's all fucked, but those eyes wouldn't pass even if you pasted them onto animu faces.

>>4953973
caп pиcoвaч

>>4953423
Not including white highlights and having the pupil be the wrong size/position are common /beg/ mistakes.

Is it bad to never actually measure proportions? I’ve been doing it intuitively from observation with gesture and construction

>>4952223
>Copy anime references exactly

The single most retarded thing I have read on this board. Color theory has nothing to do with drawing figures properly. Dont post your shitty faggot-kun on discord to get told by the kid who just hot glued his hatsune-miku panties how cool your doodle is. Study actual faces and figures. Anime is the simplification of proportion. You learn nothing about proper proportion from studying anime. Practice doesn't make perfect. You need perfect practice, so learn how to do actual art. Study realism, then draw your chink faced abominations.

>>4954310
How’s 8th grade going?

>>4954310
>You learn nothing about proper proportion from studying anime
>whole point is to draw in a style that does not have proper proportions
If I wanted to make noise rock would you tell me to study Beethoven

>>4954310
Why the hell would you study realism if your end goal is not realism?

>>4954309
good question! gesture and construction are excellent ways to study proportion without measurement and help with drawing from imagination. Being said, it is still important to have proper measurement. Did you use gouache and pen for this one?

>>4954318
>>4954314

fundamentals, retards

>>4954320
You’re right I didn’t realize you could only apply fundamentals to realism. Save yourself the time and realize fundamentals are guidelines to get you to where you want to be, it doesn’t matter if that’s drawing anime babes or Slavic landscapes.
I think I’m talking to an actual teenager right now, which makes me question how I choose to spend my time...
Anyways I’m sure you’ll get there lecturing people about fundamentals instead of studying them like im doing right now.

>>4954326
right, because the guy who accepts you into art school is going to be interested in a big tit anime

>>4954319
I used .1 micron pen and markers.

How do you apply those measurements if you are to do them? To me it seems like a waste of time to actually think about it mathematically because no two people will have the same measurements so it seems to make more sense to just draw the figure so many times you get a feel for how long x should look from y perspective.

Also it seems to me that it would distract from the gesture anyway to measure it out like that when the goal is to create the illusion of depth so it will never be totally 100% accurate anyway.

For example when I study perspective I’ll spend maybe an hour actually measuring cubes out on a grid/vp, but I’ll spend the remaining hours of a practice session drawing the same cube from the same angle 50 or so times free hand and repeating that until I my brain starts to give up.

I’m a very analytical person so I’m worried about learning something incorrectly to the point it freezes me up. I’m wondering if it is simply a matter of mileage to find a way to balance intuitive and analytical study.

>>4954335
Maybe if you went into a fine art program.
You would not BELIEVE how cringe your art portfolio can be and still get accepted into design.

Think about this man, the average RISD
Graduate makes 60,000$< and it costs over 200,000$ for a 4 year ride.

Do the math, if you want to draw realism, study realism, if you want to draw manga, study illustration.

Basic measurements are more about where lines should be placed in relation to how long you want something. If there is a mathematical way of measuring proportion, I'm not aware of it. Other than that, it depends on perspective. You are going to have an easier time with proportion on simple perspectives like full bodies and profiles. 2nd and 3rd point perspective will be out of proportion depending on where the angle of view is.

>>4954362
I agree, but realism applies to more than just drawing things more realistic.
IMO you could keep going with realism and get into hyper realism, but there isn't anywhere to go beyond that. Its something not a lot of people can do, and even fewer can make it more than just a side job.
Realism can apply to any medium, whereas manga applies to one style.

>>4954310
Realism isn't an iron clad prerequisites to mastered before attempting to drawing anime, its a foundation to ground you and aid to help enhance your work. Doing both gets the most results.

cirno between studies

>>4953264
i don't get it
is she scared of the ghost or of her body?

I spent 2 days, lol, but tried hard to make it worth attention. Does it looks fine?

>>4954986
nah

>>4954474
Boring.

>>4954986
No, it's so lifeless and not what I would define as "art", there's not enough light in the shading, you're too afraid of doing foreshortening and it shows, I dunno, stop spending 2 days on a turd.

>>4955012
Precisely in kokoro :(

>>4954474
Best ITT.

>>4955012
Stop avoiding hands

>>4955012
So, what can you define as "art"?

>>4954986
2 minute fix
ears look too big and on the same plane as their chin
the hair looks too small for their head shape

>>4955061
Only people with soul can create art, it's when you make something with a greater meaning than an NPC would understand.

>>4955067
Or just tell him to flip the canvas.

This is called anime study general but I don't see any animation here what's the deal?

>>4955012
I just realized that my art looks alot like yours whenever I don't use IRL reference for anatomy and that upset me greatly
Please never post again

>>4955231
The easiest way to learn anatomy is when you make it simple.

Oh and It's my style, bitch.

Honestly speaking, how much grind does it take to draw on this level? Hirotaka is one of the more famous porn artists in Japan, but when I look at his stuff with a critical eye, I notice a few common mistakes, like weird proportions or arms/legs going in strange directions. He's a good artist, but he's obviously not some godly genius who could freehand The Vitruvian Man. So how long could it take?

>>4955292
250 boxes

>>4955292
Definitely a life time, he was already good at drawing two decades ago. You would have to draw just as much as him if not more to be on the same level.

>>4955292
A month for a talent fag, never for your common 4channer.

Don't draw a lot of animestyle stuff usually.
How did I do?

>>4955292
It's not very good honestly.
The drapery is pretty atrocious notably.
For most of it you just need to learn the process and apply it.

>>4954248
colors+form of sabers face.

the color scheme looks washed out.

>>4954986
Well, I'm sorry to tell you but it doesn't look appealing at all.

I think you need more mileage rather than putting 16+ hours into one single artwork.

>>4955292
kekk that fucking face so fucking gross.

Hasn't he realized that the face makes or breaks a woman? He's definitely skilled don't get me wrong, but he should've focused more on making appealing faces. What a coomer artist.

>>4955376
You didn't do very well but it takes a lot of time.

>>4955626
What you just typed makes no sense. The effort he did is exactly what mileage is. Making bad stuff is part of the learning process too.
If you think it looks bad then offer him some criticisms.

>>4955635
Dude, I meant mileage like in terms of the number of drawings/sketches. I meant that he should make a lot of 20 minute drawings instead of making one costing him 16 hours of effort.

>offer him some criticisms
It's called "critique"
my criticism is that he might not have optimally spent those 2 days.
Like what the fuck do you want me to say? Everything is just off by a long shot and I think if he finds a way to practice very efficiently, he'll resolve the problem for sure.

I can name every fucking thing and spend 30 minutes on a post only for him to get into an argument with me, but I'd rather play CoD desuu~.

>>4955654
You're angry because you got caught projecting hard even though you never pyw yourself. You don't even draw, admit it.

>>4955635
Polishing turds =/= mileage. Mileage is more to do with the number of drawings you do. It's better to do several drawings that each give more focus on a few aspects that needs improvement rather than trying to tackle the whole thing together. When you try to tackle it all together, you end up making so many mistakes that you'll only end up stressing yourself out trying to figure out what exactly went wrong.

>>4955626
He has to do it at some point.

>>4955654
Previous thread, he asked if he should finish it or just keep grinding. I said yes even though I by no unclear means said there were alot of issues.

Had students who liked sketching and drawing so much but gave them a 4 week period to create a finished illustration and they panic hard and pretty much broke down and cried.

They realized that their finished pieces aren't as good as their studies as it also highlighted the flaws it had originally.

Creating a finished piece every now and then is not a bad thing. It's not like doesn't grind.

>>4955674
You're way too short sighted and are just parroting what you think is an objective truth rather than something more from within. Again, you don't draw.

>>4955694
You are making very generic accusations that can be applied to any argument of any topic on /ic/ rather than trying to actually face anything that is being said.

I'm not used to free styling characters out of the blue. Did this a few weeks back so i wouldn't go the day without drawing anything.
30 minutes i think it took me.
Please send me your critiques and suggestions.

>>4955686
OK anon

>>4955719
high skill other than the fact that you don't know how anime symbolism works. It looks like a western cartoon woman. Not an authentic anime girl.

>>4955719
Oh, I forgot to mention that the form regarding her chest and breasts is incorrect.

>>4955743
based dunning kruger

>>4955741
I'll look out for that more in the future. Thank you.
>>4955743
I don't think i understood that part correctly. Could you elaborate more, please?

>>4955745
>dunning kruger
You'll have to back that up anon.

first time studying anime
going to ink this

>>4955818
You didn't draw a lot which makes it hard to criticize.

>>4953583
thin arms + orb hands

>>4953527
jawline + eye symbolism
eye symbolism does not refer to the traditional "symbol drawing". Japanese style illustrations have their own symbols which you don't understand quite yet.

The shape of the jawline is quite off as well.

post drawing goals

idk

>>4955818
Making progress. Hair is pretty hard to get cleanly

>>4956042
Pretty good, man. The scabbard should be bigger though, and it looks like the perspective of the sword is a little off in relation to the hands though.

>>4956076
I see it now ,thanks.

Who's the artist in OP?

>>4954309
i like this image.

>>4955622
How would you recommend fixing the colours?

>>4956097
https://twitter.com/orabiangel/media
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/26881089

>tfw no English version of this exact book.

>>4956215
based, you're the best.

>>4956152
Glad you like it, getting this guy ready to paint

>>4956219
Anon, why do you want a translation for a book that literally tells you to draw the rest of the owl?

>>4955012

>>4956219
Learn japanese or run the book through the yandex image translator

Am I missing something or is there like no images/ art on my twitter feed? Its pretty much only text posts, whereas before it was only art.

>>4956276
maybe you followed some artists that talk more than they post art

>>4956276
Only thing that's changed with Twitter recently has to do with muting certain things because of the election. I dont know if that would affect art though

Between riichi ueshiba and akio Watanabe style
Who should I learn

>>4955634
Oh.
What's the biggest problems in it?

Does tracing actually improve your ability to draw?

>>4956428
I think it could be useful to apply construction and gesture over top to train yourself to see it. Using it like a tool for closet observation

>>4956428
Yes, it means you're drawing things exactly as they are, rather than how you think they are. Professional animators often start learning new characters by tracing their design so they're not immediately getting off-model. Of course this is only one aspect of study, you'll have to be able to reproduce it in the future without something to trace.

>>4956228
I finished it. I would like to use water colour next time but I have never used them. Do you mix them like other paints?

lol it's been a while since I visited this general and grey sketch tranny is back? Since when?

any critique?

>>4955719
It's just super /beg/, keep drawing.

>>4956526
Stiff pose, bad shapes. Her left leg looks like it's hiding from foreshortening. Identical to >>4954986 you've literally drawn the same foot angle 5 times.

>>4956219
If you have money I can do that for you.

has grey sketch tranny ever posted completed art or at least a good lineart?

>>4956587
who?

>>4955292
haruhisky is unironically better

>>4953764
>>4954248
>>4955292
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is this too basic to get feedback? >>4953126

>>4956608
this but unironically

>>4955837
>eye symbolism does not refer to the traditional "symbol drawing". Japanese style illustrations have their own symbols

Most retarded shit I've ever heard on here

>>4956566
Thank you, does this look better?
I changed her feet positions, hands and sleeve and added more gesture than what was originally there.

Anyone have any suggestion for a book on anime/manga art history or some kind of meta analysis? Not asking for a to-do specifically.

>>4953973
very nice, could you post more?

>>4956670
Her head is ENORMOUS.

Guys, share please any good tutorials on anime eyes.

>>4956414
>>4955634
>>4955376
Someone pls, I thought I did pretty decently

>>4956670
It looks better, but not anymore correct. Fix the torso to show her body better. Then I'd move onto another drawing, and try to fix my ability to see in 3D.

>>4956696
Fundies. You hid the body behind clothes, the head behind hair, the tail could look like anything and it would look fine to the human eye. You just polished a turd, pal.

>>4956696
I'm /beg/ but since no one is responding to you make sure your perspective is correct. Unless it's just asymmetrical clothing design, the collar to her right and behind her neck looks small, not out of view. The shading seems to lack depth and make her look flatter.

>>4956734
hmmm
thanks!

>>4956743
ngmi

>>4956748
what

>>4956732
>Fix the torso to show her body better.
Sorry but I can't see what's wrong with the torso could you be a bit more specific? Thank you for your help

>>4956784
Exaggerated here but if you were to show the form of the torso it would look better, it's like your clothes aren't touching the skin, it look's like plate armor.

>>4956798
ok I'll show the torso more, thank you.

>>4956798
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COOM CUMMY CUMMIE CUMMIES
COOMIES COOMING CUMMY
I LOVE WHITEY SPUNKY GUMMY
COOOOOM AHAHHAHAHHAAH COOOOOM
COOOM FOR THE COOMIES
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM

>>4956802
are you the same person that keeps sperging out about boobs recently?
you're legit mentally ill, get the fuck out of here.

>>4956805
Well, no.
That was supposed to be an adaptation of uh oh copy-paste.
There are at least a few coomerposting anons

Is everyone in this thread retarded?

>>4956812
>Sure, all of ass.

>>4956805
Not me also, there’s at least more than 10 anons coomposting on /ic/

>>4956821
Sup brother in coom

>>4956801
>>4956798
Ok I think I got what you meant by showing the torso off more and yeah I admit it does look better, thank you so much for your help. I'll try find out how to think in 3D like you suggested, once again thanks.

>>4956807
BOOBA crew

>>4955292
the right side of the face is shaded weirdly

What do you think about this sketch?

>>4957000
UGHHMMMMM

>>4957011
>>4956858
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SKIN
BOOBS
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kill yourselves

>>4957011

>>4953973
Дeфoлт

>>4955626
I actually drew this two days for 2.30 hours, heh.

>>4953973
Бoльшe

>>4957051
>>4957066
Бeжeнцы c pиcoвaчa чтoль?

>>4957132
Oн вce paвнo пo cyббoтaм мepтвый...

>>4957162

A вы знaли, чтo бoкcмeн тoжe мoжeт гoвopить пo-pyccки?

>>4957179
Ктo этo? A тo нe шapю.

>>4957188
я знaю, я бoкcмeн!
этo pиcyнoк paфaэля, apхaнгeлa.

>>4957162
>Oн вce paвнo пo cyббoтaм мepтвый...

Oн вceгдa мёpтвый

>>4957202
Heплoхo, интepecный cтиль)

>>4957211
He, нe вceгдa, пpaвдa я зa нyбoтpeд нe выкaтывaюcь тaм пoчти, нo дaжe oн имитиpyeт жизнь в бoльшeм вpeмeни.

>>4954278
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>>4957066
>>4957132
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>>4957214
kys spammers

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>>4957219
Actually you are spammer and violated this one rule- Drama\community vendetta- so cope- ngmi.

que esta pasando en esta seccion de comentarios?

>>4957234
no lo se anon, creo que este hilo se termino de ir al carajo cuando el greysket h tranny volvio

>>4956202
I don't know, use more vivid (saturated, lighter in terms of lightness) colors next time

>>4956637
Go draw fucking Tumblr tier eyes on your character then. There is definitely a common ground that anime girl eyes have. There's no fucking arguing this.

compare >>4953527 and >>4955940
I think it's safe to say meguka.png didn't get it right and plsc.jpg got it significantly more "correct". No arguing this.

>>4957059
Well okay just keep doing what you're doing then. 2.3 hours in total isn't bad.

>>4954248
Bro you can just use a curves adjustment layer in Photoshop and adjust the shadows a bit.

>>4957368
>I think it's safe to say meguka.png didn't get it right and plsc.jpg got it significantly more "correct". No arguing this.
not sure i agree. i'm not sure what exactly you're even talking about.
from what i can see meguca looks fine, only the eyelashes are applied badly. but you make it sound like a more fundamental problem, which i don't see.

on the other hand plsc.jpg tried something more difficult and aimed higher, but i don't think it's there yet. so i'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be more "correct" here.

not the guy you replied to btw

>>4957416
>>4957416
Forgot to mention this, anon actually did it though.
High technical skill though, but come on that Saber nose needs some improvement!

>>4957443
>not the guy you replied to btw
Well, thank god, I'll answer you then.

plsc.jpg has the eyes more "Japanese", more "anime" like.
>eyelashes applied badly
yeah, so those typical anime eyes are so unique to Eastern illustrations that they're "symbols of the style" so to speak. So that's what I'm saying he does not understand how to correctly draw the eye "symbols". He does not understand how to correctly draw "typical anime eyes".

I'm *not* talking "symbol drawing" which refers to something else.
He just doesn't know how to draw anime eyes, that's all that I'm saying. I don't know why anyone would dispute this as you're proof that he doesn't know how to draw them.

He should reference anime eyes and maybe grind them a bit daily.

any thing wrong with the figure before I go further

Why is it that I can almost always tell when anime is drawn by a non Japanese?

>>4957463
Actually there are western people who can draw convincing anime, you just are looking hard enough.
The reason why "western anime" can be easy to spot is usually a lack of understanding of what makes anime look like anime, which is a lot easier for people who grew up surrounded by that kind of media.

>>4957459
>plsc.jpg has the eyes more "Japanese", more "anime" like.
..that doesn't actually say anything. i don't see how meguca is any less anime or japanese.

it sounds like you only consider a certain style "correct" but the way i see it, meguca is going for a different and maybe more generic aesthetic, even if the execution is super plain. so i don't see anything wrong with it.

the only thing that matters is that they read well, and meguca actually reads better than plsc imo. even if meguca is simple and borderline symbol drawing.

>>4957513
>even if meguca is simple and borderline symbol drawing.
jeez wtf am I so autistic that I can't explain this to you? Or is it that you're at fault for not comprehending.

I think he's trying to draw that pink girl from Magica Madoka or whatever. He does not understand the ratios and curves of that particular characters eye. It looks off.

give >>4957469 a read.

Those eyes aren't "correct" or "optimal", they're plain and simple a bit wrong. Why do people keep disputing this. I'm thinking you're the artist defending yourself.
But of course I can't prove that, it's pointless.

Go on with your day and don't annoy me with this matter anymore. There are grey areas in drawing, art and animation and stuff, and technically speaking everything regarding this is purely subjective, but that's not how all of this works. If you fuck up the anatomy of a drawing almost unanimously that will be more unappealing.

Don't bother me with this stupid bullshit any more.

>>4957469
this.

>>4957463
Same i dont know how, but i can almost always tell, and my judgement is 95% correct. There's something cringy about anime wannbe art that i cant describe.

>>4957463
Japanese people are a hivemind. There's nothing different between each person.

>>4957662
what i really don't understand is how you can say that meguca is incorrect while saying that this >>4955940 is somehow significantly more "correct". they're both very "incorrect" and "inoptimal".

>jeez wtf am I so autistic that I can't explain this to you? Or is it that you're at fault for not comprehending.
no, your english is pretty bad. but i also think that you don't know what you're talking about. you sound pretty young in general.
otherwise you would have been able to give a better explanation than saying something looked more japanese and anime "like".

and what does >>4957469 have to do with anything we talked about???

what i really want to say is: stop giving out advice. you're not making any sense. whether it's because of your english or your understanding of art.

>>4957723
ok chud

>>4957680
>my judgement is 95% correct

>>4957771
>they're both very "incorrect" and "inoptimal"
I'm those nine heads guy. Can you give me some critque? I really want to master anime heads.

>>4957680
>There's something cringy about anime wannbe art that i cant describe.
But this is all this general has.

studies off of @imlllsn and @washlet_mskm and other shit oops

How do you reach this level?
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=fumihiko_%28fu_mihi_ko%29

>>4957985
soul

>>4957987
Draw a lot. Guy has been drawing for over twenty years by the looks of it.

>>4957462
her chin is a bit too pointy

ok let's practice identifying Anime aesthetic, anons.
If you can guess it's from a Japanese artist then you're good.
If you can't then maybe you need to consume more anime/manga to learn some soul.

>>4958105
western

>>4958105
the pic you posted is pretty western, though im sure you know. also there are so many anime/anime-hybrid aesthetics that are clearly done by americas/koreans/etc that still look good, like pic related

>>4958105
that's the least anime thing ive ever seen

>>4958243
How is the very bottom right pic mixed aesthetics? I looks like it came straight out of a manga.

>>4957416
Thanks guys I'll work on it

>>4958243
AHHH VERY NICE???!!1111111!!!!! C0000MMMMMM

>>4954316
No but I would say Bach

Mental illness and delusions

>>4958243
I've always found Frenchies have the best anime blends.

That said, I also feel like emulating anime "the way Japanese people draw it" and doing nothing else is kinda silly. Not even Japanese people do that. Sticking solely to what the medium is now is how it dies / devolves anyway.

>>4958428
Only the true nipponese can wield the power of the thousand fold lines. That picture can never measure up to pure Asian jeans.

>>4957771
I absolutely aced English in school. I have to admit that my English skills have diminished a bit over time, but it should be more than sufficient to get my point across.

>and what does >>4957469 have to do with anything we talked about???
Well, I can see it isn't drawn by someone who knows how to draw anime/manga.

Have you even looked at the picture I'm talking about. You keep spelling the file name wrong it's "meguka.png" not "meguca.png" which makes me doubt you even more.

There's no point in arguing with you, I think you're just replying for the sake of arguing.

>hey're both very "incorrect" and "inoptimal".
Yeah, I can kinda agree on that but relatively speaking plsc.jpg is a lot better than meguka.png.

And stop self-projecting with that young stuff.

>a better explanation than saying something looked more japanese and anime "like".
Yeah, well a scientific paper doesn't fit within the 2000 characters limit.
Like, why should I over complicate this? It just looks wrong and un-anime like.
I'm not writing a paper for you for all the reasons why his eyes aren't right.

>>4957844
Are you this guy? >>4957000
Nice trips.
I don't think you should be soliciting for his critique but I mean, your life, your choices.

>>4958538
>I'm not writing a paper for you for all the reasons why his eyes aren't right.
you're not writing it because you can't.
even in this post again, your only argument is
>Well, I can see it isn't drawn by someone who knows how to draw anime/manga.
which is basically the same as saying
>it looks wrong because it looks wrong to me
in that case, again, are you saying the other guy knows how to draw anime/manga? because in my eyes they're both just trying.
honestly i should be the one to stop replying because almost everything i'm reading from you is complete nonesense.

>>4957844
first off: i would normally not use words like incorrect or inoptimal when it comes to just drawing anime. those should be reserved for more technical aspects like anatomy or perspective. i only used them since that other guy did.

As for critique, there isn't much to be said other than study a lot more. not only the shape of the head but also how everything connects together.
>those middle 3 heads
don't allign the eyes on a curved surface like that. yes, people draw a spheres and such to simplify the head, but the face does not actually lie on such a curved surface.
and that profile is quite bad, work on that a lot more.
i think the bottom and the top row are okay, but there are small alignment issues here and there which end up being crucial.
the mouth is often placed without regard for the rest of the features.
but then again a lot of these can be stylistic choices if you want them to be.

>I really want to master anime heads.
this is impossible to achieve unless you understand the structure of every part and how they fit together.
study real human heads at least a little bit, that might help you gain a deeper understanding for the structure of heads in general.

>>4959007
>that redline
KEK

>>4959007
oof.

>>4959290
I am honestly asking this, I am a super /beg/ tier so maybe I don't understand something, but why would you finish that piece of art if you know it is blatantly wrong? Maybe I am the idiot because I do not finish my pieces if I know they look bad. I am just asking

>>4959350
Because you're still practicing coloring, polishing linework, composition, photoshop post-processing, etc? A shit finished work will also bring a bigger audience, so you can already be amassing a small following as you progress. No wonder most people in this board only have unattractive sketches in their galleries, and then they wonder why they ended up nowhere.

>>4952223
hang yoruself yalll weeb faggot niggers

>>4959350
You need to get into the habit of actually completing a piece regardless of the mistakes. Abandoning some work that's rough is fine but you have to draw the line somewhere and be okay with some of the things you're working on at your skill level. Acknowledge the errors, grow from it. If every artist thought the way you did then even pros would never finish anything they think is worth showing either.

>>4959361
>>4959768
Thanks, sorry if it felt like i was saying >>4959290
was shit, I just made me remember my art. I will practice finishing some of my works. Tbh since I started drawing 2 months ago, I only finished two drawings and learnt a lot even if they where shit

>>4957463
>>4957680
How long do you think I've lived in Japan based on my doodle? cheating if you read my post.
>>4959778

>>4959795
You don't even know where Japan is located

>>4959798
0/10 accuracy. also you sound a bit angry.

>>4959795
it looks like you read Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese

Do you guys know any youtube artists/ resources that demonstrate rendering techniques similar to this (or insert any japanese art pretty much)?

>>4959855
you got me. that was the mandatory textbook when I first arrived. honestly if I could shitpost Genki animator level doodles, I'd be happy never getting any better at drawing.

Also Meari-san taught me to smoke with cigarettes and now I'm a delinquent.

Done this for the Weekend waifu drawing thread over /a/. I didn't knew the character, it's suposed to be "Natsume". Tho the thread was archived before i could submit.
Anyway, im way more confortable at doing sloppy sketches and rendering it in greyscale.
Later on i will try to color using some glazing techiniques. It turned to be surprisingly fast to draw this way. It took me around an hour or so.

>>4959871
I follow sakamichi

Rough sketch with rough colors. Does the anatomy or the perspective look particularly off or can I move on to the line art?

>>4960022
NICE

>>4959350
So you want to be in sketch hell and eventually give up for not making anything finished fearing it look like dog shit? (It will look like dogshit)

>>4956042
Do you have a blog?

so--- how do I start?

>>4960081
you know this is not his original work do you? It's a traced study.

どう?これ外国人が?それとも日本人?

>>4960181
stop trying to use japanese when you're n5, retard

>>4960186
文句があるなら英語くせに言うな、クズ。

>>4960193
stop embarrassing yourself and go back to genki I, EOP

>>4960200
>talks shit
>can't hit back in the language
Only one being embarrassed is a D E K I N A I seether. Keep grinding those flashcards, buddy maybe in another 5 years.

>>4960203
wow dude you know jap you are better than every1 now pat urself on the back

>>4960218
I'd have rather been patted on the back for someone saying my eye was nipponese, but you ruined it. the least I could do was utterly embarrass you

>>4959896
There's still another thread going, it's not too late! There's always at least three every weekend.
>>>/a/210689644

>>4960203

>>4960203

>>4960267
Fair enough, that's why I'm here asking for feedback.

>>4960203
I'm not going to respond to you in japanese because 1. I feel no need to "prove" myself to someone of your level and 2. (more importantly) this is an english speaking board/website. if you wanna be cringey faggot go write your n5 nip in the /int/ thread or whatever (you'll get laughed at and leave immediately because you can't read anything but it's still better than shitting up this thread)
>>4960227
that wasn't even me, autismo. keep embarrassing yourself though I'm enjoying the schadenfreude
>can't draw
>can't nip either
tfw dunno that feel

>>4960287
>blah blah blah mfw too intelligent to speak my ebin N1 Japanese, but I'll wall of text cope in English with no broofs
I can tell you are a dekinai simply by the fact JLPT is your only context for an insult
>tfw dunno that feel
I've posted both my Nip and "art" which is whatever but at least I am not lying about my talents behind anon frogposting.

i don't like frogposters but i'm with him on this one, anyone who is really good at something doesn't feel the need to prove himself or brag about. its ¨whatever¨ at that point

>>4960309
except at no point was I trying to brag, I was honestly trying to stick with the topic of "can westerners mimic anime style convincingly" and the Japanese was just meant as tongue & cheek. That anon started being a faggot and saying my Japanese was wrong so I just called him a dekinai faggot right back.

>>4960298
>>4960314
>I can tell you are a dekinai simply by the fact JLPT is your only context for an insult using jlpt levels as an insult is easiest to understand for people like you and its what angers you the most, so I'll keep using it. also going by the way you keep using le "dekinai" meme insult I can infer you unironically participate in the djt threads on /jp/ which is the biggest red flag you're ngmi. I like to go there sometimes to feel better about myself because they're bigger crabs than the biggest /beg/tard crabs on /ic/
>That anon started being a faggot and saying my Japanese was wrong so I just called him a dekinai faggot right back.
all I did was my duty, as someone who actually knows japanese, of calling out and embarrassing weeaboo faggots such as yourself who feel the need to write their shitty chingchongnipnong on english boards. it's even more embarrassing when they don't even know japanese, like in your case. do you see people writing russian and french here? no? then why are you writing jap? it's dumb as fuck and if you really want to write japanese there are threads on /int/ where u can do so to your hearts content
anyway, cope seethe etc you're never gonna learn japanese if all you do is write angry posts on 4chan

>>4960298
>>4960314
>I can tell you are a dekinai simply by the fact JLPT is your only context for an insult
using jlpt levels as an insult is easiest to understand for people like you and its what angers you the most, so I'll keep using it. also going by the way you keep using le "dekinai" meme insult I can infer you unironically participate in the djt threads on /jp/ which is the biggest red flag you're ngmi. I like to go there sometimes to feel better about myself because they're bigger crabs than the biggest /beg/tard crabs on /ic/
>That anon started being a faggot and saying my Japanese was wrong so I just called him a dekinai faggot right back.
all I did was my duty, as someone who actually knows japanese, of calling out and embarrassing weeaboo faggots such as yourself who feel the need to write their shitty chingchongnipnong on english boards. it's even more embarrassing when they don't even know japanese, like in your case. do you see people writing russian and french here? no? then why are you writing jap? it's dumb as fuck and if you really want to write japanese there are threads on /int/ where u can do so to your hearts content
anyway, cope seethe etc you're never gonna learn japanese if all you do is write angry posts on 4chan

>>4960328
>there are threads on /int/ where u can do so to your hearts content
why do you keep assuming I don't post over in the japanese thread? I actually do and they are super cool bros.
>all I did was my duty
You sound like a much bigger faggot with an ego compared to me making a few moonrune shitposts. If you are mad because you hate seeing non-English posts in general thats fair, but when you keep saying my Japanese is bad when it clearly isn't and you have made a single post in Japanese (or even told me, in English) why anything I said was incorrect. Its obvious you don't know Japanese and you could have saved all this retarded off topic flaming if you did.
>>4960331
>dekinai meme is unique to /jp/
what year is this, 2013? sounds like you are the one thats triggered with samepost walls of text, yet no Japanese, and no art, and a lot of unsupported claims and slander.
>you're never gonna learn japanese if all you do is write angry posts on 4chan
not sure why this is mutually exclusive in your mind.

Its clear which one of us is seething. Sorry you don't know how to speak Japanese yet, but tearing down others wont make you any better.

>>4960331
>>4960287
you are soooo fucking angry man hahahaha calm down buddy we're just having fun in this thread

>>4960338
>but when you keep saying my Japanese is bad when it clearly isn't
I take back the comment about /djt/, being a dunning kruger is the biggest red flag you're ngmi, both in art and language learning
>triggered with samepost walls of text
yeah dummy it's literally the SAME POST because I forgot to hit enter on the first one which made half of it greentext, so I deleted it (tfw low iq and n5)
that's a lot of cope and seethe fampai but please keep it coming because you're just getting further away from learning nip with every moment you're spending here with me (which is fine with me because I already learned nip and your seething is extremely entertaining)
>>4960342
either samefag or fellow ngmi backup, either way kinda sad, but welcome

>>4960347
I mean, the fact you can't speak a drop of moon in any of your seething cope posts speaks for itself. Like, kind of making people who agreed with you initially start to feel bad for you at this point.

I know you are disingenuous and lying about why someone who speaks "real" Japanese wont do so here, but feel free to continue this over in /int/ if you want to shut me up once an for all. I'd be happy to actually chat in Japanese and it would clear up this debate in an instant.

Otherwise I'm done shitting up this thread with this offtopic nonsense.

>>4960352
As I already stated, I have nothing to prove to you n5-kun. I'm glad you've decided to bow out though, maybe you'll start studying now.

>>4960358
Embarrassingly transparent. Well despite your cope, I'm having a nice convo about yakisobapan over there if you are interested. I really don't need to be your enemy and if you can speak Japanese I'd love to practice with you, no irony.
さらばだ。

>>4960377
embarrassing cope, but at least you got dubs. enjoy ngmi life, weeaboo

>>4960383
哀れな子、苦しんでるでしょう?
人生って辛いこといっぱいあるね
お前いつか日本語できるように!

>>4960413
holy yikes

>>4960193
>あるなら
>英語くせに
You're so fucking bad.

>>4960597
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/486
LMAO
You don't know Japanese, stop pretending.

>>4960601
I didn't expect you to actually get what I was pointing at here. You can think about it though. Good luck.

>>4960605
Funny how all your critiques don't put any of the burden on you to clarify and display your prowess. Yeah, leave me to "figure out" something because you don't know Japanese.

And it took you this long just to greentext THAT much. Sad.

>>4960607
1) I'm not the other anon, I just woke up.
2) I just think you're cringe. Think about it: people who hold real meaningful knowledge don't feel like shoving it in other people's faces. You clearly sound like a high-beginner who's filling a little too confident about themselves. We've seen hundreds like you.
Come back after you read about a dozen エロゲ and we can have a chat about it.

>>4960610
>moving the goalpost this much
oh so now I'm a "high beginner". well, that certainly is an upgrade in esteem compared to before.
>we've
actually cringe.
>too confident
Yeah sorry for not taking some dumb faggots shit like a little bitch. I said it before, but I was not intending that anyone would even read my moon post, let alone drag it on this long. It was meant a joke for an entirely different purpose but someone(s) got so ass-blasted they immediately attacked my ability and got their shit pushed in, as you are now.

Proving that I can speak Japanese, because some salty dekinais keep insisting I can't. is not "bragging" and your hypocrisy is palpable since rather do anything constructive you just want to tear people down. I'd never say anyone was a dekinai if they were literally saying it to me first.

>>4960612
I'm not going to comfort every little ones of your outburts but I don't actually have anything against you. You can just think of my initial comment as tough love. Good luck anon.

Here's your free correction by the way :
英語くせに is not correct here. くせに should denote what the subject or person is. Also you would need の appended to the noun for it to work at all to begin (nounのくせに).
"If you got a problem, despite in English don't say."
See? It's wrong.
A simple で would have suffice to convey "in English".
On top of this, having it repeat alongside なら makes it sound incredibly more unnatural.

>>4960625
I'll admit to not knowing all the subtleties of くせに、but I'll take your word for it and look it up later. I'm well aware of how to say it more simply but I was going for flavor. and particles frequently ommitable and you will find plenty of くせに used without の

>come back to check /ic/ after drawing for 4 hours and the dunning kruger n5 is still fucking SEETHing and whats more he's convinced himself that other anon is me like an absolute schizo
I wouldn't try to fix your shitty japanese or tell you what you did wrong because 1. I don't owe you that and 2. as the other anon said "I didn't expect you to actually get what I was pointing at here", you wouldn't understand why you're wrong anyway because you're an idiot dunning kruger lmao
keep seething retard I'm enjoying watching you absolutely break down immensely
>>4960625
shouldn't have even tried, just look at his reply. there's no helping him

>>4960639
How about we go back on topic and you show us these drawings anon?

>>4960081
No.
>>4960133
I didn't trace, see my construction here: >>4955818

How to make it more appealing?

>>4959151
>>4959154
I just knew >>4959007 was talking shit, he didn't even draw the shape of the eyelashes which I was referring to.

>>4960867
I'd fuck it. Maybe get rid of her bags unless you were going for that.

>>4960885
I am, she is a sleepy witch XD

>>4960867
Your values are on the same range, Try zooming out and you will see that her neck looks like it's part of her hair.

>>4960874
again, nonsense.
there is no specific shape for eyelashes that you have to adhere to.

>>4960900
You are right

is there a working CSP crack anywhere for the later versions? all the ones I see are for much older ones. i'd like to just buy it when it goes on sale again but don't want to do nothing while waiting since it'll probably be a few months

Could you give me some constructive critiqe? In beg they just told me that it is wonky and bad...

>>4961054
It's a bit stiff looking and you could do with some more practice with anatomy, espescially the head shape. But good on you for not hesitating to draw full bodies anyway.

>>4961100
Do I need to study some basics in anatomy or something concrete?

>>4961121
I'd say the head and the joints in the arms and legs needs some focus. That would help a lot towards not making them look stiff. But just as an overall thing, doing some gesture/pose practice would be good. Did you use a reference for this pose or did you draw from imagination?

>>4961126
The problem is that I did use ref. The pose originally was kind of static.

>>4961137
I see. Well, it's still progress. Just keep doing your anatomy reps (quick gestures for fluidity and longer poses for studying forms) and you'll make it.

guess
Japanese or Westerner?

>>4960901
You don't "HAVE TO", you're not obliged to do adhere to a certain shape. But come on, are you really going to argue this?

Since we're in /asg/; anime study general, do you think when you would hypothetically receive your corrections from the (assistant) animation director he would give you a thumbs up with that shape?

Like how low are you willing to go, to "win" this argument? Your redline was awful you just redrew his lines with very few minor corrections. On top of that you used a large brush size and you drew dots for eyes?

What's next? I wonder...

I broke my commitment to not responding to your posts so I guess I lose. :^)

>>4961245
also this

>>4960990
I got it for $25 couple months ago. It should go on sale on the black friday. Till then you have to deal with the versions you have. The scene doesn't crack them anymore.

>>4961245
>>4961251

i smell westerner

>>4961251
this is obviously a western

>>4961247
lol, just lol.

>>4961261
>>4961259
Only the first one was westie.
It was drawn by asian Canadian thou that pretty means the same thing.
Non nip asian can do anime, but they tend to add in some disney element for some reason, from what i have noticed.

>>4961288
he lost his essence. I think since they had so much contact with disney stuff as child that they can't escape it without much effort.

Just a few things fixed and it would look a lot more nip. The first one hands, arms and face gave it off, nips don't draw wonder women muscles, at least not like that.
And the face isn't appeal first then perspective.
Westerns tend to restrict themselves with too many rules for proportions and placement, while nips draw it for the sake of looking good and appealing.
The chest area tho is pretty much nip.

The second one lines are bad, hair is too cartoonish, and the face is ugly and boring.

>>4961298
just been lurking but you people are schizo as fuck lmfao

>>4961372
This website isn't for underage people who cannot formulate proper thoughts and sentences, anon.

what do you nerd use for pose reference? mostly for training of course.

>>4960867
Better lines, less chaos in the shading, fundies. Looks fine already though.

>>4959290
Stiff, boring. Dumb arm gesture.

>>4961054
Fundies.

>>4961245
>>4961251
None of these even look like anime.

i can't tell if sketchtranny is getting better or if his lines not being grey anymore is making it seem that way

>>4960025
thanks... I guess

>>4954248
Good drawing but Shirou is shit

i got tired of this so got very sloppy, but please crit as much as you can. it was dumb to draw saber from the front desu hard to make her haircut identifiable

>>4961491
If not for my tennis elbow and carpal tunnel, I'd be the best artist on this board in a year or two tops, alas it's not so.

>>4961550
Right eye (from our perspective) is incorrectly positioned.

The blade ruins the image, it's not in perspective, if you foreshortened it correctly, the image would be perfect.

>>4961550
reddit would eat that shit up

>>4961570
thanks anon, yeah, eyes have been an issue, i want them to feel a little far apart but might go overboard

>>4961550
agree with anon >>4961570
adjust the eye and the sword and it'll be basically perfect

>>4961550
i like it.
i think the face could be more impactful. i don't like the bright values on the iris. they take away from the impression of the face rather than help it imo. there is nothing wrong with the eye position. but the irises need to focus on something instead of being wall eyed like this.

other weak parts are probably the arms and hands.
i get that the arms are supposed to be going slightly towards us, but the arms are too long so it reads like they're going more downwards. the whole thing could be better.

>>4961550
i'm really sorry if i'm dunning krugging, but the eyes really bugged me (and i changed the mouth and the nose), as grey sketch tranny said, the sword is out of perspective but i didn't want to fix it, i REALLY love your colors anon, but i feel like you are afraid of define some shapes in your drawing, again i'm just assuming shit, love you work <3

>>4961598
>i get that the arms are supposed to be going slightly towards us, but the arms are too long so it reads like they're going more downwards. the whole thing could be better.
yeah, i see what you mean, the arms and hands are too low and that's what makes the sword perspective feel even more weird
>>4961601
don't worry, thanks. i guess i was afraid of making the sword look thinner in perspective, and the arms and hands "shorter" in perpective to face the front more. i like the expression here!

>>4961601
How do I do eye directions like this?

>>4961607
thank you but the image and the expression look good because you did a great job!, I just adjusted things a little

>>4961538
Lol Bruh

>>4961611
what?

>>4960867
Glasses. Give her a cute glasses.

>>4956673
does nothing like this really exist? is no other weebs interested in art beyond cooming?

>>4961601
cute saber

you have to be japanese for this to work >>4952223

A really good porn parody idea, if it hasn't been done yet, is to do "Kinky Delivery Service." Just get jailbait cunny (legal) to dress up as Kiki, and then the plot is pretty self-explanatory as to what kind of deliveries she makes.

On topic though, decided to redraw this really amazing kiki fanart with the groceries. She was missing dope shoes, so I threw some on her, super cool rite? Lemme know what you guys think, and does anyone know how to get that watercolor style look digitally? Idk if the orig is trad or not.

>>4961795
I figured the original is digital with the way the light hitting her dress is cut so clean from the watercolor. So the way to do watercolor in photoshop is just color like you normally do and then adjust your color layer following this method: https://blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/tutorials/create-watercolor-painting-effect-photoshop

Any good books that teach you how to draw anime and fundamentals at the same time? not shit like¨draw kawaii anime girls by Bob McDonalds ¨ please, or any book or guide you guys used when starting please

>>4961920
You should try coloring over your lines, it would look nice. Try slowly rendering them out.

>>4961921
How To Draw Manga: Sketching Manga-Style

>>4961932
thanks

>>4961926
Cleaned and colored lines plus a few details. I don't think you meant render the lines out completely. It's diminishing returns at this point, so gonna call it.

>>4962002
Yep, it looks better with them colored. Though since you're going for the watercolor style, you cant really render over the lines, i get it.

How do I color like this?
Is there a guide to know where lighting like this?
Or how about on how to pick colors?

i feel like the left leg is too small? how can i fix this sketch before i proceed?

>>4962505
it's too large actually

>>4962508
really? it was bigger before. how much smaller should it be?

>>4962532
you will find the answer if you start........feeling the forms...

>>4962505
It's not such an extreme angle that the left leg needs to be that big. The way you have her hips and thighs facing, her knees should point in that same direction. Cute Moona though.

Bros, I need a book about hands and arms. Any recommendations?

>>4963101
I use my own hands as reference, arms I just copy the studies from anatomy for sculptor

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