/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4954562
they want you to become a jew puppet

It's likely the illusion of a lot of colors. Something can look orange because it's next to blue, but if you actually use the eyedropper it turns out to basically be grey.

>>4954574
Post example I don’t believe you

>>4954574
WHAT THE FUCK

>>4954562
Because the human eyes can only see 3 colors at a time, more than that and it will freeze. That's why traffic light only has 3 colors, printers use 3 colors, paint has 3 primary colors, etc. Our monkey brains can't process colors like some other animals can like peacocks

>>4954583
Post sciences proofs

>>4954574
The dress...

>>4954594
Use your own eyes to fact check

>>4954583
Actual retard making shit it up

>>4954581
>>4954578
Its rather basic stuff..

top circle is going to really start to feel blue

>>4954610
Who is she? and where is this from?

>>4954625
I only see grey on those dots

>>4954562
for the same reason the website you're on right now has a specific color palette instead of randomly including every color of the rainbow for no reason

>>4954650
And the reason is?

>>4954648
Keep looking. Even if you dont see it becoming a light blue, its an established phenomenon.

>>4954654
color composition.

the question itself is just stupid. you have to limit your color choices anyway, and you do it based on what looks good/pleasant. now the question is just whether you use 1, 2, 3, 4 or a dozen of colors.

this is why i brought up the rainbow. do you think having more colors would automatically make something look better? all it would result in is a different color composition.
pic related gives you a rough idea.

>>4954676
So can i just ignore those tutorials saying to limit color palette and use all colors i want?

>>4954679
you don't seem to get it. "using the colors you want" is essentially the same as using a color palette. the difference is just whether you decide on them beforehand or do it on the fly.
you have to pick and choose colors anyway.

you can do whatever you want.

>>4954679
Yes, use colour however you want, its not actually that important outside of mood/temperature. What matters are you values. If those are bad your work will look poor regardless of anything

alright, i will do that and become known as the artist who only did green blue and red art

>>4954574
>orange because it's next to blue
Grey takes on the appearance of yellow when next to blue, not orange. Unless you mean cyan-blue instead of blue.

>>4954648
>>4954656
>>4954625
Here. What color are these strawberries?

>>4954625
>>4954656
>>4954701
You guys are drunk, grey will look grey because it's grey, not because it's near something, wtf you all talking about

>>4954704
These strawberries are probably bright red, if those were green strawberries the value would be closer to white

>>4954706

>>4954706
Learn color theory, anon.

>>4954704
Dark grey with light blue insides?

>>4954704
brown.
(turns red light filter off for a moment)
violet.

>>4954711
I did not even know green strawberries existed, but I was asking what color they appear to be in the image.

Is grey, white and black even considered colors or not?

>>4954715
Please learn the word cyan.

>>4954717
You might be retarded.

>>4954719
Depends on what you mean by color. In general usage, yes, but if you mean spectral color or hue, then no.

what's a good resource to learn about color theory?

>>4954720
>You might be retarded.
fuck off theres a violet shade in there

>>4954720
>it’s cyan ackchully

Who gives a fuck? you understood what I was saying and it wasn’t wrong you pedantic sperg

>>4954562
Back to the thread topic here:
You are mistaking limited color palette for limited colors. A color palette with only 2 colors can still have thousands of variations of those two colors. In terms of design, it is better for your images to have a narrow range of color, rather than trying to depict the whole gamut in every piece.

>>4954625
Terrible example

Colors shouldn't be that complicated, why so many anons arguing about it, you all either color blind or have your screen calibrated wrong

>>4954733
These don't work, stop forcing the grey chameleon thingy

>>4954726


>>4954726
Lmao its basically grey look at all the sliders being aligned = grey. Don't miss the point of perceptual color balance.

>>4954736
the amount of bonafide retards on ic is getting staggering..

>>4954733
>>4954740
Then tell me how you're seeing those greys looking like yellows, blues and greens because I can't

i dont know if op is suggesting a 4 tone study or limited colours and mixing or what.

>>4954729
Purple isn't synonymous with violet, and no there is no purple in this image.

>>4954729
>wojak poster is an ignorant faggot
Go figure.
Cyan is not 'light blue' any more than yellow is 'light red'. Learn your colors

>>4954746
op probably doesn't understand color in general. it's probably close to what >>4954731 is talking about.

>>4954746
I don't know either, the tuts just say to 'limit your color palette' whatever that means

>>4954758
in what context? what are you colouring, a study, or a complete piece? digital?

>>4954755
First one was meant for >>4954726

>>4954743
Crop into/zoom into one of the examples. It only works if your view has only the limited colors. The point is that your eye attempts to "white balance" an extreme color by adding the compliment to make it less intense, as a result you're going to add green to what should be grey. Yes it is grey in actuality but your perception is the final say in your experience.

>>4954733
Not it isnt. It highlights the point just fine.

>>4954755
>Purple isn't synonymous with violet
i knew that but its nearly 4am and i can never remember which one is blue shade and which one is red shade.

Why it's so hard WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isVcc6m7nv8

>>4954733
They all look grey

>>4954769
It is a really bad example, because none of those spots are actually grey. The highlight in >>4954625 is very nearly grey, but it is still orange. Everything else is actually very orange, which prevents the illusion.

>>4954772
I think you misunderstand. Violet is a spectral color, purple is a mixture. Violet is not present in the RGB gamut, meaning you cannot see it on a monitor or colorpick it in a program in any RGB oriented colorspace.

>>4954775
What, those greys aren't grey but orange? How!?

>>4954775
Because it has a saturation of 1 instead of zero? Really? You didnt even know without an eyedropper so why tf dyou think that makes your shitty brain impervious to the illusion?

>>4954782
Well, closer to red than orange, but color pick them and you'll see.
They are all desaturated red-orange, with the exception of the brightest one which is very slightly yellow.

>>4954779
well thats different to what i learned in regard to tubes of paint.

Is color harder than quantum physics?

>>4954794
>You didnt even know without an eyedropper
Yes I did, which is why I eyedropped it to verify.

> why tf dyou think that makes your shitty brain impervious to the illusion?
Fuck are you talking about? I am fully aware of the illusion, but your image is a bad example of it because all of the greys are so close to the background color. If those spots of grey were in a scene lit with that red-orange light, there is a high likelyhood that the local color of the spots would actually be grey, and not bluish cyan like you are implying.

>>4954801
I'm sure it is, paint names are often very imprecise.

>>4954808
No, but it is an extremely difficult topic.

>>4954808
only if you're a retard like most of the people on this board

>>4954809
I think you're confused. The person I was replying to wasnt aware that colour perception changes depending on the surrounding colours. So I posted a super orange pic with the top circle being a completely neutral gray, yet will become cyan if you stare at it for long enough. Posted it again with increased effectiveness here. >>4954656

>your image is a bad example of it because all of the greys are so close to the background color.

? The top circle is 99% neutral. not 100% because I used the box instead of a slider.

http://www.aw3rd.us/scief/colorviz.htm

>>4954562
https://www.xrite.com/hue-test

>>4954833
>the 1 in 255 women and 1 in 12 men who have some form of color vision deficiency?
now this is real gender discrimination

>>4954833
guess I'm not color vision deficient

>>4954829
>I think you're confused
I'm not. You mistook me for the guy that thought color constancy wasn't real because I also replied to you.
The example you posted was a bad example of this effect because only one of the circles was close to pure grey. The further away the color is from pure grey, the less pronounced the effect will be.

>>4954861
I know. I specifically wrote to check the top circle. The reason I added desaturated orange circles beneath was to showcase the transition artists will generally make before the "jump" into another portion of the wheel, so youll see them often. Thats how you would achieve depth in a painting using only one colour.

>>4954853
Same.

>>4954562
people can tell you all they want, dosen't mean their going to do what they are supposed to do.

>>4954853
>>4954874
We’re GMI

someone tell me if I'm doing this right

>>4954917
Is just use grey the hard round brush of digital and loomis of drawing?

>>4954917
If you are intending for this scene to have magenta ambient/bounced light, then yes.

>>4954939
Proper use of greys is crucial for painting, yeah.

>>4954833

>>4954562
Limiting your palette is an easy way to achieve color harmony, so it's often recommended. It isn't the only way.
You want to make your palette as simple as possible, but not simpler.

>>4954975
>You want to make your palette as simple as possible, but not simpler.
That's a good way to put it, I like that.

>>4954755
What program is that?

>>4954990
https://www.geotests.net/couleurs/frequences_en.html#ce

>>4955001
This is a great site. You can see that even with this picture that looks like it contains every color in the visible spectrum, there's still a big chunk of the chart that's missing (and it would probably be really garish if they included them).

Everyone got caught up in some basic retarded color relativity debate, but then we forgot OP's question.

OP, there are many people using colorful palettes in their works.
Does that mean it's right? No.
Does that mean it's wrong? No.

You have to use color with purpose. Be it "I want to give off this impression" or "I think this color looks good together with this other one". It doesn't have to have a logical explanation, as long as there is an aesthetic decision-making process.

If you start with a limited palette, you will be FORCED to make such decisions, otherwise it will look like a monochromatic and boring picture.

When you have all the colors in the world at your disposal, on the other hand, you may never be forced to think about it and just keep picking more and more colors, trying to fix a problem you don't understand and creating an eyesore of a drawing.

As a last note, you mostly need to limit your palettes when you're trying to convey a certain atmosphere. If you're drawing an anime character on a white background and she's wearing 300 types of trinkets and garments, then having a shitton of colors won't make it look off, and being this colorful might even be what's interesting about it.

Also, a good tip if you intend to have a lot of colors is to have a lot of grays too, so they can bridge colors without too much conflict.

tl;dr: No rules, only tools.

>>4954755
>stupid
>FUCKING
>FROGPERSTERRRRRR

>>4955091
Pointless shitpost.