/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Learning from Vilppu is the equivalent of selling your soul to Satan, except you get to keep your soul.

Study Vilppu!

>>4940444
except he gives you soul

In any skill you need mileage to improve, but how do I get mileage when it takes forever for me to draw anything other than a drawabox exercise? When I first tried the upside down picasso exercise it took a few hours to even finish halfway, only for me to realize I fucked up the proportions and it was unsalvagable. Maybe i'm wrong but I can't really believe that I could improve at a pace that slow.

sup

>>4940491
>When I first tried the upside down picasso exercise it took a few hours to even finish halfway, only for me to realize I fucked up the proportions and it was unsalvagable


that's the point of the exercice, to unfuck your symbol drawing

>>4940491
>When I first tried the upside down picasso exercise it took a few hours to even finish halfway,

>>4940500
>only for me to realize I fucked up the proportions and it was unsalvagable
That part isn't really the point, I expected that to happen in the first place. But it isn't supposed to take that long, is it?

>>4940491
>it took a few hours to even finish halfway
Did you mean minutes?

>>4940494
cells bad lman

>>4940522
No.

>>4940534
cells?

>>4940538
What did you physically do for those literal hours of doing the upside down Picasso exercise? I'm incredibly intrigued

>>4940491
could you post the picasso head you drew please, im also curious to see how it could take hours

ok, but when it comes to art, *what* is the correct place to start?

there's a plethora of tutorials/resources out there but its overwhelming me and i genuinely cant start cos i dont know whats the *correct* way to start?

is there even one?

>>4940556
andrew loomis

i see the perma/beg/s that scribble things out in 5 minutes and wonder why they never get anywhere are out in force today

FUCK you Jeanne im going to DESTROY your cunny

>>4940303
Yeah, his style has lots of freedom although, it's a side thing now, at most I should only bother with color theory and figure drawing right, the things I actually find fun. or do I need the fundamentals which is the thing im no longer willing to do

Thoughts? I'm quite proud of this one

>>4940575
To add to this, artists get an style after doing their fundamentals and such, I've already removed most of the time slots from drawing so there's no room for "before you draw this you must draw realism" anymore

>>4940580
Beautiful! But the colors can get better.

>>4940560
thanks anon

Any practical tips if I just want to draw cunny and cute girls? Anatomy?

>>4940584
a* style
brain glitch

>>4940590

>>4940550
It's been forever since then, as i've tried learning drawing on and off, but I think more than half of the time was wasted wondering where to even put the lines, like "do I draw this line or that one?" Same thing goes for other times i've tried drawing from sight. I think I was also trying to get every line to be perfectly correct which probably added to the time.
>>4940552
I have no clue where it is, but if you really want me to i'll try drawing another one and posting it here. It was really boring to do though.

>>4940580
It looks like ass.

h-how did i do?

Just got the cheapest drawing pad on amazon, it works fine in paint but when I try it in gimp there is a little straight line at the beginning of every stroke which is infuriating, how do I make it not do that?

>>4940618
by not being a cheapskate and get a good tablet and a good drawing software

>>4940626
1. I'm poor
2. if that was the case why does it work better in paint

>>4940491
It took me about three and a half hours, and I rushed through a chunk of it because I just wanted to be done with it by that point. I've also spent 20+ hours on work with roughly the same quality and complexity as >>4940494 before. Everyone says that speed just comes with time and experience, but I suspect there is something terribly, fundamentally wrong with my approach to drawing.

>>4940633
if it takes you 20+ hours to make something around the same quality of >>4940494 then I think your issue is in how much you must overthink and stress yourself out, the picasso exercise should take less than 30 minutes and you should also be able to doodle something close to that anon's drawing in around the same amount of time

>>4940633
you got anxiety or something? just draw nigger, you have the undo button just get in there, be loose and free, let yourself flow

>>4940594
>and pantsu
dropped

>>4940633
Are you counting any sort of breaks you might have taken? I don't remember it that well but at most I probably took like two 5 minute breaks in the 2-3 hours it took me.
>Everyone says that speed just comes with time and experience
On a surface level, this makes perfect sense to me, but when your experience gets severely limited by how much time it takes to make something and thus you barely gain speed if any at all, then doesn't it become a paradox?
>>4940647
I think that applies to me as well, though I never really get stressed, another massive issue I have is that whenever I draw something it's like watching paint dry, even when I draw stuff I like it just feels like i'm a zombie.
>the picasso exercise should take less than 30 minutes
But how am I supposed to be accurate to the original if i'm doing it so quickly? Part of me thinks that it would be a good thing to just stop thinking about it and try to do it quick but will I really improve if I sacrifice accuracy for speed?

>>4940674
Set a 30 minute timer and re-do the Picasso exercise, even if you don't finish post it and compare to your past much longer attempts. Then do it again. And again, until you finish it in under half an hour like a normal person.

>>4940677
I have a feeling that the answer is no, and i'm willing to accept that, but is there any way I could try to derive some enjoyment from the process?

>>4940678
well yeha you have the rush of doing it better the next time, youre competing with yourself over and over

Any guide on drawing boobs?

>>4940680
I hope so. I'll be back later to post what i've done.
Good luck to that other anon.

I've read a bit of loomis
hows my rough drafts of this guy

>>4940682
think of the organic shape of the boob
think of the contours
think of the weight and points of attachment
think of gravity and how it affects them

then go get a titjob in the name of
"anatomy" and come back

>>4940691
What about shading it?

>post a drawing and ask for crit
>"you again?"
>"ngmi"
>"did you even try?"
>"you know where you went wrong, don't you?"

Hey guys, is video creation allowed here? Example attached

>>4940590
I hope you actually like the process of drawing because your desire to draw coomshit will never be enough to struggle with the years it take to actually see the payoff of your labors .

To live is to cope with delusion, all art will mock you and heroes are nowhere to be seen, no rescue and no epiphany, nothing or no one is coming to save you. There's a particular delusion that's very persistent, that if you fail, that same failure, your anger and frustration will fuel you into eventually getting better but just like doing exercise, to injure yourself so hard that your muscles give in to the pain, no matter how hard you try the next one will be even worse.
All art will mock you and even more so if you love it, failure sticks and there's no coming back from it, to attempt again is to keep hurting yourself.
I've failed everyone and this time, I've failed time itself
three months wasted on a talentless being like me, not all birds can fly

>>4940754
Time didn’t waste anything on you. You’re the one wasting time with everything

I'm talentless and I was trying to ignore it but on the same time it takes me to fail, others keep on getting better
I remain an insult to art, to my muse, to everything, to the old masters.
Nature never nurture unless you're of worth and I'm far from it.
To make art is to capture beauty, in that which has it and in that which will never get close, the process elevates everything if done just right, the artist is then rewarded with a chance, a shot and hope to join the masters, by execution or meaning, the end result is the same. I'm not worthy of this and I'll never be, I'm pathetic, a lowly creature, used to say Lucifer stuck deep on ice, I can't even compare with the greats.

>>4940754
Keys to drawing
Fun with a pencil
Now go draw you fucking faggot

>>4940601
>It was really boring to do though.
draw fire coming out of its mouth

Who do I save

>>4940764
Just send a message bro

>>4940627
shit drivers. or windows ink getting in the way.

>>4940765
Why the fuck would anyone seek out a woman who has kids

>>4940690
Looks like it needs moar l00mis

Art is like a mother, not a human one neither the ideal but one most resembling those found in nature, the cruelest of all towards those not fit to be among the greats, yet full of love for those that are able to make it, whatever that means to them.
Art has discarded me and I kept on clinging, the tiniest of all hopes, in life, there's no sudden inspiration, no gain that comes from within, it's over.

>>4940618
I get that in csp if xboxstat.exe is running in the background. Check your task manager.

>>4940704
One word: pyw

>>4940769
milf doesn't mean literally a mom, just an older woman, lol

>>4940760
if youd put as much effort into your drawing as your paragraphs of detail explaining how shit you are...

And I've come to accept a truth, talent is both real and fake.
Talent is a mindset, a way to grasp the appeal of something anyone could, with enough time force themselves to learn how to draw but not to make something worth remembering, space and the ocean, they look just the same

>>4940778
It's a matter of choosing in which one you'd like to drown

>>4940760
You're taking yourself way too seriously. You're not some misunderstood genius or victim of anything. I'm sure you use this to justify your own inability to do what you want. It isn't that complicated. Just draw if you enjoy doing it. One day you'll reach greatness. If you don't, maybe you burned out, take some time and gather your thoughts. The only thing you're a victim of is your own hubris.

>>4940754
>>4940760
>>4940770
Didn't read lol
Do you want a hug or what?

To draw is to suffer yet I had fun, I must abandon it, I'm nothing I'm no one, she has rejected me and I've failed everything and everyone.
In life, nothing will save you
>>4940782
I've got no hubris at all, I hate what I draw, there's no pride to be found in me.
You too, will fail.

>>4940699
Can you shade a ball? Then you can shade a boob.

>>4940754
>>4940760
>>4940770
>>4940778
>>4940778
all your images are saved from other posts, just go write a book instead of crabbing or shitposting, writing is art too

>>4940784
The fact you hate what you draw just means your expectations do not match your skill level despite knowing you havent put as much time as necessary. The very definition of hubris. You show to the world your worthlessness yet maintain an arrogance in regards to yourself. The most petty of mindsets.

>>4940782
Who or what are you drawing for? aesthetic pleasure? a simple one? is it love or attention? I love art yet it will never love me back.
>>4940788
>what's 4chanx?
>>4940789
Simple reasoning like that one over there tends to be very wrong, let's not pretend you can grasp another being from some posts on some site, I hate what I draw because I need to do it faster, limited time, deadlines, death.
I've only got so much time to learn yet I keep failing while others go on to do so normally

>>4940790
>what's a botnet?

>>4940784
>You too, will fail.

>>4940793
Basic logistics, I don't wish you to fail, not at all, I have never insulted someone elses art and will never do so.
You have to be madly in love with art to be worth remembering so tell me, what's your goal?

>>4940790
going to be straight here nigger. It's not a race. Even chimps can write like shakespeare given enough time. Go. Draw.

>>4940771
good advice
>>4940773
I don't see that, but I'll keep lookin

>>4940769
kids can be nice.

>>4940794
My goal is to take all the ideas in my head and put them on paper so everyone can see them

To be great at art, what do I mean by you too will fail? Simple, it will get harder and harder to become great, technology you'd think would make it easier but no, quite the opposite, trends regarding information will make it so that fewer and fewer people are more than just a fad in the art world. So yes, you won't fail at your goal if it's personal, if it's small but don't make me laugh, the entry barrier to be remembered will keep getting taller. The sheer amount of information we keep producing will even make it so that these masters become a huge fad, a self referential trend, a self referential world.

>>4940808
I don't care enough about your ideas to wish you to fail, so I'm not a crab. I want everyone here to make it but it will get harder and harder.

>>4940801
Also if it's huion tablet, make sure you're running the tablet app that comes with it.
>>4940806
>raising someone else's kids
For what purpose my dude

>>4940784
another night of drunken shitposting is it?

>>4940815
Why would I care? Kids are kids. If I met a wonderful woman who was a single mom, that wouldn't rule her out for me is all.

from daily practice

>>4940812
So what's your endgame here?
It's obvious you're looking for attention with all these posts
When i started drawing i sucked, but when i made my first drawing, i was really happy about it. It was lacking in quality, but it was my creation, and seeing it come to life made me happy. It's obvious your expectations are way too high and you think people make quality art after drawing for 3 months. Why do you want to draw in the first place? What do you want to make? What if you will always be shit at portraits, but you've got a future career in abstract art and you're throwing it away now? Try to experiment with different things and don't stagnate. I don't know you personally so i can't help you in detail

>>4940806
My father said to never raise another mans kid

>>4940823
Imagine spending your money to raise the kids of another man who fucked and impregnated your wife, and then left to mind his own business so the kids will be raised by some cuck (you)

Behold, Marcus Gambuy and his evolution

>>4940830
Imagine not caring about other human beings just because of the circumstances of their birth

>>4940842
Let me guess, i'm a bigot and a bad person for not wanting to be a literal cuck

>>4940846
Aren't you the one doing the cucking since you're fucking someone's exwife?

Anyone mind helping me with direct criticism? I feel like I’m not understanding heads enough to make them appealing, both shape and the faces. The eyes I can never draw them how I want them to look or have control where they’re looking first or second try, I get hung up and have to go over them multiple times. I draw characters every day but I’m still not getting a better understanding of how to draw appealing faces. I looked at plenty of materials and practice often, I just don’t know

>>4940854
No, you'd be cucking the guy by fucking his kids.

>>4940857
criminally based

>>4940857
Kek

>>4940855
It looks like you don't have a feel for the actual structure. You seem to be aware of the basics, I can see you're thinking about the planes on the sides of the head and the break at the cheeks, but it doesn't seem like you have a firm grasp yet and that's making it difficult for you. One thing I might suggest is taking a figure or toy in this style and taking pictures from the front, side, and 3/4 then drawing the planes of the head over that. Once you've done that, put the figure in front of you and draw it from life, using the information you got from working out the planes of the head to guide you. This should result in some fairly solid studies, which you can then use to help you tackle this again from imagination.

Some fan art

>>4940868

>>4940863
Thanks. I guess it always comes down to trying to do better and more informative studies. I’d try to reference from real faces more often but I feel they hardly ever actually help me and they’re boring to draw out when copying. I use real bodies as reference for anatomy and posing all the time, so it’s mostly the faces that Im stagnate with

>>4940580
SOUL

>>4940806
Pedo

>>4940871
COOOOOOOOOMM AHHHHHH JAVHD AHHHHH GONNNA COOOOOOM

>>4940437
really really beg here please help

>>4940910
L00M15

>>4940896
Calm down anon

Also was anyone doing inktober? I’ve been doing it just to dedicate myself to some daily traditional practice as well since I don’t want to be a digital only artist

>>4940855
you need more LOOMIS in your life and.... feel the form too.

>>4940919
I guess I’ll go through the book sometime. How long have you been drawing for? Just curious

Here's some of my art over time. Am I making improvement at a good pace at all?

>>4940925
4 weeks

>>4940918
>>4940919
I can't into anime girl eyes.

>>4940610
Cute. I liked this >>4940832 except for the colours, they make me wretch

>>4940716
Cool but this place is for making your own drawings not for this stuff.

>>4940754
You've got the idea but you are lazy

>>4940784
I've seen this stupid faggot with the glass long enough

>>4940824
Good, do more. This time your challenge is to chicken scratch less.

>>4940855
Loomis

>>4940868
What's your end goal? Good enough for kids book but if this is your idea of peak I have nothing to say.

>>4940939
Nov 19 looks the best thanks to line weight variety. Your figures are quite rough but I suggest to keep going

>>4940960
Main difference with nov 19 was I used a G-pen to ink that and spent an unreasonable amount of time on it, and it really shows.

>>4940956
>>4940958
Ok I’ll return when I finished loomis then

>>4940871
Those aren't real faces

>>4940910
Sell your graphics tablet to someone half as lazy as you

>>4940939
Yeah you improved but you're skipping the "boring" stuff so your progress is slower. Your understanding of anatomy is still not in maturity and your anime faces are ugly. Your comic style is also ugly, but I like those.

>>4940939
You actually managed to regress heavily, and you were terrible in the first place lmao.

>>4940973
There is no regression when he had low concept of anatomy to start with by working only in his comfort zone.
It appears as a regression only because he stopped doing amorphous looking cartoons and attempted drawing the female form. Anyone can draw toons like that, but this time he is trying. Meaning, he is improving.

>>4940972
The area I've been trying to focus on the most is construction at the expense of most other aspects. Just drawing figures from basic shapes in various poses and then using what limited anatomy knowledge I have to try and fill them out. Not sure if that's been a good idea.

Would you say that the October 2020 girl still has an ugly face? What's the most glaring issue with her face.

>>4940983
You have zero understanding of construction you retard. Don't lie and say you've been focusing when clearly fucking haven't. Stick to drawing your shitty cartoons because at them being ugly as shit doesn't detract from the humor.

>>4940919
>4weeks
which books

>>4940992
Who shat in your coco puffs

>>4941004
I'm not wrong. I'm tired of this faggot and his retard questions and garbage weebshit.

>>4940939
BASIC FORMS AND PERSPECTIVE
Learn them already.

>>4941005
what kind of reply do you want

>>4941012
I was just checking to see if I was still banned

sharpie on cardboard, reference on the left

>>4941005
reported for birdposting outside /b/

>>4940939
you peaked in novermeber

>>4940983
October 2020 is ugly because her eyes are so close together you could almost join them. You tried to squeeze in as much eyeball as possible because animay. Hand is ugly too, have you thought about how they move, how they are proportioned?

>>4941012
>>4941019
but seriously I just started to actually practice drawing and I'm going through a michael hampton book, am I just supposed to go through the book and draw all the pictures myself?

>>4940956
REEEEE you are not me

>>4940939
>Gets progressvly worse over time
>Horrible weeb shit that's worse than deviantart
>Unfunny ugly cartoon style that also regresses
>Women look like deranged coomer abominations, it's as if youve never seen a human or ever read or watched a single tutorial on how to draw anything.

Thanks for posting your cringe complication, now please fuck off.

>>4940958
DONT LIE TO ME
THE IDEA?
i cant do values, i cant do 3d

>>4941028
not familiar with hampton's book as such, but yes, that page looks like exactly what you should be doing. make sure you're testing yourself by drawing closed book from memory afterwards too to see if it's sticking.

>>4940939
Anon I.....think you should pick a different hobby.

>>4941035
like drawing poses from references or just making them up

I cant even draw basic shapes
THREE FUCKING MONTHS WASTED ON THIS BULLSHIT
100+ DAYS

>>4940939
Kill yourself retard

How come everyone’s hating that anon

>>4941070
because the image reveals their greatest fear and deep down they realize they're heading down the same path.

>>4941018
anon pls i just want some feedback

>>4941074
it looks like you had fun

>>4941070
Cause hes a moron who won't fuck off despite never improving

>>4941071
This, no one wants to end up like him in an eternal /beg/ spiral of terrible art and it makes them upset. Granted they aren't wrong for shitting on him.

>>4940939
NGMI

>>4941070
Because its fun to make fun of people with DEVIANTART teir garbage.

Especially if they get worse.

>>4941071
What path is that? Bad anime art?

>>4940939
This is just sad

>>4940939
So does talent really exist.

>>4940919
i cant possibly imagine this helping in any way

>>4940958
I don't have an end goal, i just like to draw for a hobby. I just want to get better and develop a style.

Are these legs good enough? I had planned the entire drawing ... except the legs, so I'm trying to see what fits.

>>4941160
Yeah, there are people who can draw >>4940919

And people who clearly can't >>4940939

There's talent, one anon has it and the other doesn't

how is this coming

>>4940939
Anon I recommend getting a tablet.
Some of these are uneven on both sides. With a tablet you can flip the canvas and see your problems.

>>4940594
uuuuuoooooo sexy child

>>4940580
His head and neck are way too big. His face looks bad. His ear is too small.
What's with the random clouds I his hair? He has no dark shades in areas that should have it.
>>4940690
What style are you going for?
>>4940754
Wah wah wah!
>>4940855
Right looks good. She has no jaw though.
>>4941005
Cute.
>>4941168
Leg gets a little too skinny but it's an exaggerated form so it's fine.
>>4941225
What's your line work? Do you have a reference? Your coloring and shading is horrifying. It brings the whole image down.

>>4941169
Based retard

>>4940919
Tell me your secrets to draw animu anon
>inb4 loomis

Can I skip Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain/Keys to Drawing? Or are they a crucial and unskippable step? I was planning on just jumping into the fundamentals....

>>4941242
no real ref. everything i find with this theme has a side profile so you can see the instrument. i know the shading is shit if youre referring to blending and such, im not the far along. im actually trying to improve the colors before i polish it. this i th line work, it pretty much the same besides a few tweaks

>>4941242
>>4941242
not even some advice, just mocking me? fuck you anon

I’ve had two people approach me asking if I do commissions. I don’t know if I’m good enough to say yes to them, and even if I did, I wouldn’t know how to price my shit

>>4941265
Being able to copy vaguely accurately and understand the basic concept of perspective is very important to studying art seriously, but you don't need to read through all of a book to understand it unless you think you really need to. I might have read about 1/10th of Keys to Drawing before putting it aside because all I needed/could absorb were the tips for perspective and being able to study a reference and copy it.
Studying anything else should be like that too when you're beginning. Just look up things that you want to improve on by watching a youtube guide or reading some Bridgman or whatever. Just imagine you're playing a really hard video game and you're scumming the hell out of it by reading up all the facts you need on its wiki. You're not going to read through all of the wiki before playing the game, right?

I'm achieving some success by grinding through an anatomy book right now, but I think that's something you should do after building a good foundation first.

>>4941265
Do fundies. Read on the side.

>>4941348
>>4941326
Thank you sirs!

tell me how shit I am

>>4941379
shit

I think they look more surprised than scared

>>4941379

Could be worse, not exciting, but if you are happy with it, you shouldn't stop creating

>>4941268
Wah wah wah.
>>4941266
You should work on the shading first. Then color. Your hands look terrible. Torso down your anatomy needs work. His face is horrifying.
You should work with a reference first. Are you trying to achieve a certain style?

>>4941304
Pyw I'll tell you

Or ask them to pay you what they think it's worth.

>>4941406
Try having the eyebrows look like the woman on the right middle. Having the eyebrows knit together works more.

>>4941406
A bit too good for beg but maybe we set our bar too low.

The more surprised looking ones, i.e heard man need more of a grimace I guess. Obviously the hand gesture like the blonde lady did is telling. Where'd you find your refs?

>>4941416
You must be new here.

What do you think?

>>4940716
saved

Dragonfly aircraft from monday.

>>4940754
this is how i feel right now

>>4940601
Y'all need some timed figure practice. Grind those 30s and 1 minute gesture drawings like your life depends on it.

>>4941225
Please stop. I feel like I might get worse just by looking at your work. I recognize your work from years ago, it hasn't changed much if at all. If you want to achieve better realism, stop drawing digitally for now. Stop drawing in color for now. Use pencil and paper. Read keys to drawing and drawing on the right side of the brain cover to cover and do all the exercises.

Post whatever small thing you've done from these books, even if it's just a few honest scribbles attempting an exercise, it will be better than what you've been posting.

I've seen you post here for years. What's your endgame?

>>4941416
his face? kek okay im going to delete it. but i was just trying to draw a face from imagination and throw some hands in there

>>4941160
Comes up everyfuckingday.

Talent exists but it can only get you so far.

It's like starting a new character but you're level 20 where others have to start at 1 but ultimateoy level 100 is where it's at.

Talent is great because as a beg you impress people. It's also great because it motivates you since you're not shit. It's not great if you think that just because you have talent you don't have to work hard.

Not having talent is great because you don't skip fundamentals because YoU hAvE tAlEnT but it's not great if you let people with talent demotivate you.

There's nothing else to it. If you see a great artist, saying they're talented devalues all the hard work they did and blinds you to the fact that you too can be great.

tldr just fucking draw

>>4940437
very cute OPee.
guess i'll give some general advice for you dorks:

-keep a traditional sketchbook. digital works as well if you can't help it, but traditional is usually better (less distractions, less shortcuts, possibly better for learning hand/eye coordination). the goal is not to fill up one sketchbook, but multiple, so draw a lot.

-you HAVE to be able to do studies. it is the most fundamental skill check for an artist. you HAVE to get this skill to at least an intermediate level or nothing else you do will work out.
you don't necessarily have to do a lot of them, unless you're really shit, then you will have to do a lot of them :^).

>>4940491
speed literally does not matter.
>only for me to realize I fucked up the proportions and it was unsalvagable
even noticing that the proportions are fucked is already a great thing.

where's the video course thread?

>>4941418
It’s fetish shit, so the bar is pretty low. There’s furry shit too, but I’m not gonna post that here.

well what about this one?

>>4941420
got it
>>4941422
I just google the expression I want to draw.
I don't always follow the ref 1:1 though, I try to change the age, angle, race, lighting, or mix a few into one

Ey yo! Got a drawing done.

Is there anything wrong with this?

>>4941454
>-you HAVE to be able to do studies. it is the most fundamental skill check for an artist. you HAVE to get this skill to at least an intermediate level or nothing else you do will work out.
you don't necessarily have to do a lot of them, unless you're really shit, then you will have to do a lot of them :^).
And how exactly do I learn how to do studies?XD

>>4940939
>novermeber

>>4941568
studying effectively is a skill bro

>>4941561
left armr wieird

>>4940760
if youre at this stage at 3 months then youre doing something right you fucking faggot, why does every beg come here and cry after a few months WAHHHH IM NOT GOOD REEE like yeah no shit this takes YEARS to learn how to draw, decades even, now stfu and keep grinding on or fuck off

>>4940939
your anime shit is bad but the comics are good

>>4941225
wait....youre STILL on this piece? wtf move on bro, you should be doing multiple of these a DAY not one in two weeks jesus, youre not good enough to make a masterpiece, keep moving and keep drawing stop getting caught up on one piece

First *real* hand study, I've been drawing fundamental shapes and shading them for about a month
Where to go after I'm bored of drawing just cylinders, cubes, spheres and pyramids??

>>4941568
you sit your ass down and observe.
observe all the angles and distances and try to get them correctly.

Klee from genshin impact.
Could you criticise it, pls

>>4941671
>youre not good enough to make a masterpiece
what does this mean? also i have a busy live these days, i cant draw that much

>>4941699
well youve been working so long on one piece trying to make it amazing or 'finished' that its fucking you over and slowing you down you will learn much faster with just moving on and not getting so caught up in these details, yes its good to finish a piece obviously but i mean this is just too far, surely you must know this though right? this is one of the first pieces of advice you will here when learning art, stop polishing turds

How do I improve my gestures?

>>4941707
shit so it was shit to begin with? heres the line art
>>4941266

>>4941028
It's good to copy the drawings. If you want to up the difficulty and learning progress you can look at his scheme of legs for example and apply that drawing to a model reference picture, so you end up drawing his schematic legs in another position. That is pretty difficult though and copying is a good starting point. Look up good figure drawings and copy them alongside.

Any advice on better circles and precision lines for people with shaky hands and nervous deposition?
Other than do a lot of circles and lines until it starts working out and then do a ton more?

>>4941741
no dude youre not understanding, yeah the line art can be better but im not saying dont bother finishing a piece, yeah paint it sure its good practice of course, the issue im saying is that youre still working on it weeks later when you should of moved on and taken whatever knowledge you gained from doing this particular piece, you should always paint and render out a piece imo as finishing is good practice, but just know what to move on

>>4941767
what im saying is i literally dont have the time to work on art as much as id like

>>4941725
Do more.

>>4941774
but this doesnt mean you cant start a new piece? if you dont have much time why are you spending so long on one piece? i draw 30mins a day and draw a new piece of art every single day, its very rare for me to work on a piece for more than a few days because why? its done, move on start a new piece, that bottom line art should take more than an hour, and what you dont have an hour a day? an hour a week? why you still on the same piece after weeks?

>>4941759
Draw bigger.

What's the best way to practice anatomy? Do I just get a human anatomy atlas and start copying?

>>4941225
one thing that helped me get better at shading was laying in forms in a very light pencil and then trying to render with higher B pencils for darker values. maybe forgo painting for a bit and stick with a pencil set with varying levels of blackness and hardness.

>>4941676
the figure

>>4941777
Don't waste your efforts on him, he's been doing the same thing for years and never listens. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just so frustrating seeing him do the same shit over and over and never take advice.

>>4941842
Is that the faggot who makes those ugly paintings? I recognize the uncanny face with monkey lips

>>4941842
>>4941848
ill have you fags know ive actually massively improved and took your advice

>>4940618
Hmm, that was happening to me in Krita when I got my tablet.
Try to Install the drivers from the manufacturer's site and restart your computer.

>>4941826
So what does that mean exactly?

>>4941725
Pro tips.
1) Get 3 cheap sketch book.
2) 2 reliable ballpoint pen or pencil
3) Go find a hiphop dance studio
4) sit down and quick sketch
5) your objective is to capture the essence of gesture
??????
PROFIT!!!!!

>>4941665
The comics aren't good either, he's fucking awful.

>>4940939
You literally have zero talent or ability, you haven't proved at all. Drop drawing.

>>4941887
What is it that you think you've improved?

>>4940437
So lads, how the fuck do I stay with it? I’ve really wanted to learn for years, but every time I do it I can’t draw as well as I’d like and I give up, only to return a couple months later. Anyone got a fix? I’d really appreciate some advice.

>>4941963
Stay on the bus.

>>4941963
Stop being a little bitch expecting instant gratifcation and stick to trying

It's amazing just how useless this place is for any actual /beg/ recommendations.

>you should do Loomis, it's the only way to learn construction, especially head construction
>you shouldn't do Loomis, it's an outdated meme long replaced by more sophisticated methods
>you should grind boxes and architecture, otherwise you won't understand perspective, which is required for drawing humans
>you you shouldn't grind boxes because then you would only learn how to draw boxes, study anatomy instead
>you should grind anime because it'll teach you useful tips and tricks, all actual Jap artists learn from that
>you shouldn't grind anime because you need to learn real anatomy first and apply stylization to it, also see Loomis
>you should draw for fun
>you should spend as much time as possible grinding if you don't want to become a ngmi
>start using digital if you want, it wouldn't do any harm and help you develop muscle memory
>don't use digital until you become proficient, it has too many cheats
>Drawabox is great, it teaches proper fundies
>Drawabox is shit, it doesn't teach proper fundies

Everywhere you look, it's piles upon piles of contradictions. And it's impossible to tell if someone is speaking from experience or just sourcing their arse and being a crab. I wish there was just one self-taught anime artist (not just a larper, but an actual artist) who would share their secrets with /beg/s by compiling a concise guide on what approach you should take, preferably with actual literature and shit like that.

>>4941991
Why are you complaining? Just do the work you like and stop looking for golden advice on 4chan

>>4941991
because you need to find what works best for YOU, theres no perfect curriculum or set books or a step by step guide to hold your hand, every artists works in different ways, find the best book or video series for you, find the best teacher for you

>>4941450
Then you need to draw them appealing. Anon get a reference and try to mimick it. Then copy the shading. Then attempt to color.
>>4941426
Yeah I stay in the draw threads.

I dont get why people are against loomis and his construction methods

>>4942027
>loomis gets written in literally every thread
You know who’s underrated? Loomis

These are today excercises. I like how the webcam turned out but I still have some problem with circular shapes, I'll include the five-minute burn out. One more thing, is it normal that while doing the master's handwrite excercises yours is shit? Tried doing the Degas one but the singer looks like a grimlock from dnd

>>4941509
kawaiii

is this a bad way of going about figure drawing? will it lead to bad habits? this was just a quick example of how i go about getting proportions right, by starting with big simple shapes, but i never see any competent artists do this.

>>4941991
>>4941997
I think one of the hardest parts of drawing is that there don't seem to be structured learning methods or paths. This is why I always say learning art is harder that learning music.

With music, there are a lot of very structured courses out there that exist in a linear fashion to gradually progress skills in a very logical way. Learning to play an instrument is a lot more objective, that objectivity makes it simpler. If I want to play "Back n' Black" for instance, there is a specific method that leads you to the end goal. Despite maybe some fingering preferences, there's really only one way to do it, and it's strait forward even if it isn't easy, thus simpler.

Art is far more vague. There isn't one method for getting to the end goal of drawing a head or face. There is also no set linear program for progressing your skills. With art, you are constantly trying to improve each aspect of art. There isn't really "starting out simple" which I think discourages a lot of people as it makes the hurdle seem much larger. There's no "start out with these basic chords on the guitar with this rudimentary timing to produce a satisfying result". Without good knowledge of shading, construction, perspective, form, volume, anatomy, good lineword/rendering you won't be able to produce anything of equivalent satisfaction.

I guess that's what makes it hard for me in particular as I really like structure. But with a lot of art it's very hard for me because I feel so lost in a sea of contradictory advice and people's personal styles. When I post my work I often get "A is wrong, B is wrong, C is wrong, work on D, F also really needs work, ect" and I don't know what to focus on or really "how to go about fixing those issues. It's hard to try and practice and put together and fix all of those issues at the same time. Also I just cannot learn with books, I'm a visual learner who needs to do things hands on.

>>4942136
>there dont seem to be structured methods or paths
There literally are
>I always say learning art is harder that learning music
Music is art
Not reading the rest of your rambling

>>4942142
>There literally are
Not really
I've seen courses that cover specific aspects but that's usually covers very specific topics. I've not seen a comprehensive "art curriculum" like a music one. And also like I said, it's much easier to do something basic and get satisfactory results with music. Especially with instruments like the guitar or piano.

>Music is art
I'm talking about visual art i.e. drawing.

What's the recommended resource for learning to draw boxes/spheres/cylinders etc in perspective?

what went wrong?

>>4940437
/v/ drawthread delivery. It's meant to be sad more than anything else, but I'm really proud of the Zelda in panel 4.

>>4940973
>>4941021
>>4941032
>>4941044
>>4941066
>>4941106
>>4941145
>>4941160
>>4941169
>>4941926
Okay, I give up. Clearly I'm just not cut out for this. I'll just stick to painting warhammer figures and wage cucking.

>>4941991
>I wish there was just one self-taught anime artist
Not surprised the retard who can't even think for himself wants to make anime.

>>4942176
Sad for you that you're giving up because of anonymous posters

>>4941432
How about this one? How is it?

>>4942176
Good, it's about time retards like you fucked off to make room for people who take art seriously.

>>4942193
Don't be sad for him, in this case quitting is 100% the correct course of action. He's garbage and always will be.

>>4942193
He's eternal /beg/ NGMI. Quitting sensible compared to endless producing progressively worse anime shit.

>>4942196
>>4941432
these floating heads need loomis

>>4942176
Don't let the door hit you on the way out faggot.

>>4942176
ngmi

>>4942112
any time i try to start at the head and work my way down it ends up not matching the reference at all. this kind of "sculpting" approach is all i can do

>>4942176
And nothing of value was lost.

>>4942346
m-mommy

I drew a robot. Didin't use any references, so it all from my head.
Say something about it, pls.

>>4942112
does it work for you? yes then do it, also ive seen loads of people do it like this

>>4942196
this is amazing, good design and a nice break from seeing shitty heads, keep it up and keep posting here anon

>>4941991
are you this much of an NPC that you can't think for yourself just a little bit. Yeah sure there is some bad advice going around. You should be able to quickly able to assert wether it's working or not. Also realize that a lot of the advice given are genuine, but because we are different and learn differently, you might not have much use of it. As an example, I went through like 5 different pelvis simplifications before I found one that made sense in my head. I struggled a lot with loomis, but when I sag how Kim Jung Gi used the eyebrows + forehead as a guideline for the face that made more sense to me.

My government and employer extended the layoffs and layoff benefits for another 6 months and I now have all this time to get good and escape wage labour. I'm a beginner that's only drawn for a couple of months, but I have seen great gains imo and I'm certain that this is what I want to do. Being pretty scatteret thoughout the first half of my 20's, no education no aspirations, but I think I have finally found something I would want to do. I have also witnessed the depressing nature of what manual labour is, how braindead it is and I never want to go back. I just turned 27, I know my story is not unique in the slightest and there's probably someone here in very a very similar situation. Still ultra/beg/ though, I'm not delusional and I know it's giong to be a long road (more than 6 months)

For the first time in a long time I have hope and a passion for something. We're all gonna make it.

How come this room has 4 vanishing points? Is this right?

>>4942398
You forgot to post your work with your blog post

>>4942196
>>4941432
Soule

>>4942412

>>4942439
>>4942412
wrong one, I have one with more trash

>>4942411
Post the image.

>>4942398
Welcome to /beg/ anon.

It's over, isn't it?

>>4942448

Im having trouble copying what is in front of me. What exactly am I supposed to do? They say that you should use shapes and construct whatever it is you are drawing first, but arent shapes also symbols? Im confused.

>>4942176
Lmao get fucked. This general will be 100x better without your cringy """"art""""

>>4942411

i'm just a hobbyist looking to get into oil painting, however, not to waste material on ridiculous paintings I want to master the fundamentals using pencil. What should I get good at before I start to practice with oil? Perspective and shadows, textures? How to get good with colors? Any books?
or am I wrong? should I start studying straight with oil, since it is going to be my 'endgame'?
I have no interest in painting human beans by the way

>>4940760
this fucking guy again. Shut up already dude it's going to take decades to become a master. No you have not earned the title of master if you've been doing something for a few months.

every master felt the pain you are feeling right now, what separates them from everyone else is that they just kept going because the pain was worth it.

>>4942176
I don't know what you expected posting your shit here loser. You deserve to be shit on and you should fucking give up. You're trash.

>>4942176
don't listen to people who tell you that it would be good to stop doing what you love because of their own perceptions of you.
When my dad was going to art school he entered a sculpture competition and won first place, it was a big deal to him and the first thing his dad told him after coming home with the award was "I guess the judges are as stupid as you are"

What exactly are the "basic forms" people refer to when they critique someone on here? I dont really understand what theyre talking about.

>>4942524
Why are you encouraging that retard? Have you seen his shit? He's not making any improvement and he draws terrible and shit. Hes better off quitting.

>>4942527
Cubes, balls, cylinders, cones, and such.

>>4942530
Why are you wasting time telling him to quit instead of drawing? Post your work.

>>4940939
>>4942176
I don't know if this sad or hilarious or both. But yeah please go and stay go.

>>4942530
if you quit you will never be good period

can I be proud of this one, anons?

>>4942176
If you get discouraged by random anons you should quit do it because you enjoy it

>>4942535
Why are you wasting time encouraging a retard who hasn't improved and will never improve? At the end of the day telling him how shit he is now is a kindness it'll save him time in pursuing a futile dream.

>>4942541
He'll never be good regardless if he quits or not.

>>4942524
It's not nice to lie to the disabled, you're giving him false hope.

>>4942549
pyw

>>4942163
If you have to explain the order of the panels you are even less talented than Jews.

>>4942509
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/mode/2up
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf9rHSrVHa6zVC-W-jttyew/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/SarahSedwick/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/LarrivaArt/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/LearnToPaint/videos

>>4940939
>>4942176
The day /beg/ btfo a cringy weebshitter so hard he dropped drawing all together.

Reducing cringe on the internet one post at a time, you're doing gods work /beg/.

That's one less faggot I have to be exposed to while I come here.

All these crabs not posting their work smfh

>>4942524
The people shitting on him are doing so for good reason, stop being a white knight feel good dumbass.

>>4942411
always remember when looking at photos:

-It's likely that the person taking the photo was not completely level, the camera could be tilted, resulting in perspective changes.

>>4942575
To add to this, to find out if the camera was completely level, the horizon line would have to be directly in the middle of the image.

>>4942575
>good reason

>>4942494
>>4942578
>>4942580
Thanks. Im only on week two of a course where we draw a two point perspective throne so I'm really new to this

>>4942549
Post work

>>4942161
too /beg/ too be sexy. cant draw pussies for shit. >>4942176
quiting it for faggots, faggot.

>>4942580
I think he referring to this anon >>4940939

>>4942583
You're doing fine, we're shitting on the other anon for being a faggot and a weeb

>>4942581
Yes, and? If you post shit you'll get shit on.

>>4942176
This general and board will be better without you

spooky

New thread >>4942747

(Social distancing)

New thread >>4942747

(Social distancing)

New thread >>4942747

>>4940682
start with the torso first
then draw the boobs

Question, I'm overwelmed by what drawing application I should be using, and what brush for that application I should be using. Any tips to point me in the right direction?

>>4942549
post work loser

>>4941991
Who made this image? I want to follow them.

>>4941379
Cute, but unironically use Loomis.

>>4942112
>>4942278
I draw in a similar way, i think its fine. I've a lot of nip artists start a painting this way. I too think of it as sort of sculpting with lines.

>>4943227
I answered this question in the other thread.

Litterally too lazy to pick up the pencil and finish a drawing guide aka loomis, why am I lazy?

began drawing a few days ago im currently just copying other people's drawings this is one the few things that look acceptable

>>4942752
Why did you make a new thread so early...

>>4944949
good work anon, keep copying until you can get almost 1:1 copies, you need to develop you hand control

>>4940704
>this is me too
Just know that you're not alone, brother.

drawabox cats.

>>4945140
pretty cool anon, really liked number 1

Trying vilppu's method for figure drawing this was the only decent out of a bunch, straight up horrible. Help

>>4945194
Why do I even try? I'm not even having fun anymore, some things are cool but I just want to draw like Yuasa and I need to force myself to fail at this.

>>4945197
and I keep getting worse at doing floating loomis heads, the side cut is hard as fuck, my drawings and their condition is just straight up bullshit.
Quite regrettable, I keep at this yet my output is lacking both in quantity and quality, many old drawings are ashes now but I still can't give up.

Michael Hampton has significantly improved how I draw heads, and I'm starting to make stuff I can look at and say "Wow this ain't actually too bad"
Can any kind anon show me how I can further simplify the construction though? Or is that something that comes with developing style?

>>4945200
that anon told me
>schizo youre getting worse
and thats true, sadly
This is fucking bullshit i WANT to get to the fun stuff already but cant even do gesture
look at this >>4945194
thats the best one out of 25 or 30

>>4945205
Anon I'm a /beg/ and my works suck but maybe you should just get a break, even a little one. Feeling this way won't help your grow, you can do it

>>4945217
tHERE ARE ALWAYS DEADLINES
you either work with time or get fucked

>>4945219
What are your deadlines? I mean a one week break won't be a huge deal but it could help with your mentale sanity

this was my first drawing
you know what has changed in three months? ive gained a poor understanding of construction, im still not able to imply volume and the only notable thing is that ive become aware of doing soft lines first, thats it
despite constant line quality exercises it remains the same
3 months for progress that should take 1 month

>>4945224
this is the latest one i did, hell id say im still doing bad shit
look at the lips
3 months wasted but i keep on, and why? Yesterday we tried to study Yuasa's work and I've been well aware that his simplicity is a choice not a limitation, every line value and color shows many and many hours of experience, needless to say my drawings made copying his style failed.

>>4945221
One week is a lot of time, at best any sort of break should last a day

>>4945146
:)

>>4942196
>>4941432
Dope. Keep drawing I want to see where you go.

>>4940871
r8

got inspired by mizones comic, er not sure what else to say.

Took a graphic tablet in my hands for the first time in two years. Wasn't aiming at making it look pretty, mostly point out general flaws and rate the anatomy