/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

reposting this from the last thread

Never owned a tablet, was gonna get the huion kamvas 13 but you guys seem to not trust that brand. So:
>what should i buy?

>up to 400$ preferably but I can save up more if i need to
>United States
>Display
>Not looking for a particular size.
>i tend to rotate my paper as i sketch, id like to be able to rotate the tablet as well, like i said ive never had one so im not sure what to expect

>>4931277
No pc tablet recommendation? I’d be fine using the iPads exclusively but their largest size is simply too small so I eventually want another good option

reminder to ignore all the chinese shills and avoid huion and xp pen or your tablet will last less than a year

Does anyone have experience working on your images directly from a NAS? I'm considering getting one to store all my work but I'm wondering if there's any lag or latency involved when I'm working on the file.

I'm finally in the market for a new tablet. Currently using my Bamboo Splash that I got in fucking 2014. See, I bought a small Intuos back in 2017, but using it made me want to jump into traffic. It would have severe connectivity issues to the point where it was unusable. Every other time I would turn my computer on the drivers would corrupt themselves and I would have to reinstall them, otherwise it wouldn't work at all. Someone recommended that I buy the Wacom wireless accessory kit since that would fix it, but by then I went back to my old Splash.

Do Intuos models still suffer from this issue? And damn, so MS Sufaces aren't a good idea? I was hoping to replace my current laptop with one and just have the whole deal in one package.

>>4931484
t. wacom shill

>>4931437
>rotating a tablet

Are you retarded by any chance?

>>4931437
I'm in a similar boat as you, i.e., looking for a tablet with a display in that price range and size irrelevant. I bought an XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro and have been pretty happy with it over the past two weeks.

>>4931451
Seconding this. I've been considering an iPad, but god, there's no way I'll be able to let go of a full, proper OS.

>>4931584
>working on your images directly from a NAS
I would assume your image editing program of choice opens the image in memory rather than pulling it from the disk every time you make an edit

>>4931678
i had an ipad but ended up still buying a cintiq just for a full, proper OS. Think of an ipad as just a fancy sketchbook, really.

>>4931437
Xp pen 15.6 pro is a solid buy for your price range, I've had mine for over a year and its still going strong. The most likely issues you'll get from that thing is shit that's fixed by playing with the tuning screw in the stylus.

how pic related? theres a prime deal on it so im eager to get it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BZ897B4/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A30BRCK3LE6SB5&psc=1

>>4931866
Better than the other huions. And its the plus version, nice. I'd say its worth it. If you get a dud at least you have that Amazon return policy so I'd say go for it if you like it.

I got to try out an unknown model of cintiq some time ago, and noticed the colors/saturation was pretty bad.
Do the displays usually have shitty color, or were it's settings more likely just off?

>>4931881
They're all calibrated really well so it was either fucked up somehow or the settings were messed with.

when will microsoft surface become good? I just want a good windows drawing tablet

>>4931954
Thanks,good to know.

>>4931963
Never. Microsoft refuses to fix their shit. You could go with any other tablet pc that has an active pen and you'll be better off.

>>4931875
how does it compare with other display tablets at similar price?

Just ordered the S6 lite BOIS
Gimme some accessories recs please, I need a click-on keyboard and a I guess a screen protector is essential? Anything else?

>>4932098
better display quality, very little parallax, etched glass.

Is there a better and quicker way to draw squared words without outlining them like top?

Looking for my first drawing tablet, I want the best value and reliability at the best price.

Do I need a display? I have a huge tv for my pc monitor and want to keep this cheap and simple but a display and portability seems nice

Will starting with the Wacom Intuos-small hinder my learning and productivity?

I like idea of having the S6 tablet, any reasons not to get that? Any other options for cheap pc tablets good for drawing?

Ill be doing realism, cartoon styles and maybe some animation

Also, I plan to use Krita because its free

>>4931674
>>4931751
I'll have to check it out. I'm waiting till tax returns to commit so if my price range goes up I may even consider the wacom cintiq 16. Thoughts?

>>4931751
chink tablet, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>4931651
I dont see what the problem is. I draw with my paper book on my lap and spin it around to better draw certain curves.

>>4932519
You'll understand better once you get one, but tablets don't act the same as pen and paper. You won't be rotating the tablet itself, but rather than canvas in whatever program you use.

>>4932527
Ah I see. Is there some kind of shortcut to make that rotation a bit more streamline?

need help.
my pc suddedly wont recognize my tablet intuos draw.
little light is on, but it just wont work, the wacom desktop center say, no conected device. i tried every usb port, every driver avaliable, restart the wacopm profesional service manually, nothing works.
any help is welcome,

>>4932535
Yeah. Either you can configure the shortcut to the keys you desire and use your keyboard/buttons on the tablet itself, or what's a popular option now is getting a USB numpad and customizing it to what you need. This person put stickers on theirs to clarify the example.

>>4932569
Have you tried uninstalling, restarting, then reinstalling the drivers? Try Revo Uninstaller for a full uninstall.

>>4932572
That's awesome. I didn't even know you could just get a numpad by itself. I'll have to look into this. Thanks anon

>>4932572
>>4932569
yes. i tried that. dont work.

>>4932599
Is it a wireless tablet? If so have you tried both plugged in and wireless? If neither works and no matter what you do it won't connect, your tablet might be fucked. Thats what mine did when it stopped working.

Does your computer recognize the tablet as being plugged in? In device manager or something?

>>4932630
is not wireless
is not fucked because it works perfectly fine on other pc when i installed the drivers there
no, it doesnt recognize the tablet, it send power because the little white light is on, but it just doesnt work, and i dont mean like, working as intended as a table, it doesnt move the cursor when i try using the pen. in device manager just appear as a usb device in the human interface device tab, not as a wacom tablet.

>>4931429
What's the best screenless tablet I can get on Aliexpress for less than $50?

>>4932662
Try looking through XP-Pen's aliexpress store. I think they've got some tablets there that fit your budget.

>>4931429
400 €
EU
display
as big as possible

i''ll ask here but to be honest i don't trust this thread in the slightest. this OP and the shizophrenic anti chink posters in here just make it sound like you'll make me buy a fucking ipad or an overpriced tiny wacom tablet instead of trying to help people make an informed decision.

>>4932644
Restart the wacom service maybe? Should be called wacom professional service or something. Stop it, unplug, start it, and plug back in. Does that fix it? When you Uninstaller and reinstall drivers do you restart the computer?

Also try different usb ports, maybe your port is fucked?

>>4932676
>>4931674
>>4931751

>>4932676
Xp pen artist pro series. Go find the biggest one you can afford.

>>4932672
thanks anon

I got my first display tablet, and I'm not sure the best way to orient it. So far I've just been holding it in my lap and propping it up, but the closeness of it ends up with me bending my wrist at uncomfortable angles. I feel like if I use the stand and put it on my desk, though, then I'll end up annoyed at having to reach up and press my undo button in the tablet every twenty seconds.
What do?

>>4932676
I've been enjoying my XP Pen 15.6 so far, but it's the only display tablet I've ever used, so ymmv. For the price, though, it probably can't be beat.

Used tab s6 or iPad 8?

>>4932754
S6 by a mile.
iPads are only worth it if you get a used pro.

>>4932012
Are there any tablet PCs you would recommend? All I'm really seeing are HP laptops (for example the HP Spectre Folio) with touchscreens and active pens. Are their displays decent? I know laptop displays are usually poorly calibrated/show colors inaccurately. Originally I was thinking about getting an XPS 13, but the coil whine turned me off.

Should I try the Huion 1060 Plus for $70 or the Wacom Intuos for $80? I want the S6 Lite but want to stick with Windows

>>4932724

Get either the Wacom tab mate, learn the keyboard inputs and use them that way, or get good.

My XP-Pen Artist 12 Pro keeps displaying the "No Signal/Power Saving" message when I turn it on, yet touch functionality remains even when the power is off. As far as I can tell my drivers are up to date, and I tested every configuration of the stock 3-in-1 HDMI/USB/power cable as well as a standard USB-A/USB-C cable (which until about 10 days ago had worked flawlessly) on two different computers with the tablet software installed. Is there a way to get it to behave, or is this my punishment for trying to save a buck buying chink hardware?

>>4933294
What did support say? If you bought it on amazon just return it and get something else.

how is this graphics tablet for 2d stuff as well as 3d sculpting ?
my price range is the beginner range 50 -80$. this looked like a good price
Wacom CTL472K1A One by Wacom

>>4933306
you can get far better for the price, wacom fucking hate cheap customers with a burning passion and you WILL be punished for it.

>>4933313
any non-display graphics tablets recommendations ?

>>4933321
If you like smooth drawing surfaces, this will suit your needs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMmKvPUsbFg

>>4933304
Haven't contacted them for the moment; been searching for similar scenarios both on their official forums and across the web in general.

Interestingly, sticking the HDMI plug into my GPU's port brings up the tablet display, but that raises the question of why none of the motherboard's HDMI ports work (it's an X570 board)

>>4933414
why would you plug it into the mobo instead of the gpu?

>>4933422
Monitor connects via HDMI or VGA and only came with the former; none of the onboard HDMI ports recognized it and GPU only has one HDMI + DVI, so I'm forced to use the former to see what I'm doing. However, this doesn't explain why the tablet display worked for months on nothing but a USB connection up until now

>>4932769
Ahem or an air 3.

>>4933306
100% fucking garbage
wacom is not a low cost company, they have to change branding every few years for their cheap shit because of the bad rep it gets.

huion 610pro competes fairly well with intuos (the professional line, not the shit they call the bamboos now, or did they change that branding too?) medium.

>>4933306
if u can somehow get a Intuos 3 a4 sized (ptz-930) for cheap ( check local classifieds) it can be well worth it if ur lucky.

the advantage being that you can install plexiglass and change the nibs easy with a weed trimers (0.65) did, it's very smooth and durable.

Intuos 4/5 ports give out eventually, however you can do the exact same I suggested with an xp pen deco pro, I'll test if the plexiglass/weed trimmer trick works on that swell.

>>4933321
Any Wacom, particularly the older lineup used.

Don't listen to chinese shills like >>4933367

>>4933794
Yawn. Booooooring.

Don't you ever get bored of this? Are you autistic or something?

>>4933294
Youre not using the new beta drivers, right? Because they suck ass.

>>4933794

>>4934218
Based as fuck

>>4932284
Best value and reliability is going to be xp pen or wacom, pick your poison.
No you dont need a display. I like them but my friend absolutely hates using them because he doesn't like his hand blocking the screen. Its down to personal preference and budget.
No displays worth drawing on are very portable and they need to be hooked up to your computer.
Do not get the small size of the wacom intuos, ever. Medium or larger. If price is a problem try Craigslist and Facebook resale pages.
S6 is ok just don't go for the lite. Its only good for sketching and you won't get to use krita unless you use superdisplay to make it act like a cintiq.

what do you guys think about the Wacon CTL4100 ? for my first drawing tablet?

>>4934545
Shit value for the price. If its the only one you can get in your country, then go for it. Itll still work, but you can get much better for the money.

>>4934584
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Wacom-CTL4100-Creative-Essentials-Aftershot/dp/B079HL9YSF/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_es_MX=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=3K3H924LOSE1L&dchild=1&keywords=wacom&qid=1602687739&smid=ATH6NOSJZ6M11&sprefix=wac%2Cprime-day%2C210&sr=8-2

actually it is i think i will go for it

>>4931634
try the new drivers, the old intuos drivers have some problems

>>4933367
thanks I've been looking into this. you get more workspace for about 10 dollars less compared to the one by wacom small. very tempting. I might take the chink pill

>>4934940
chink companies are very aggressive/underhanded with their marketing tactics, but the tablets work and for far less money. I always look out for renowned skilled artists reviewing them, not professional "reviewers" who draw like ass and delve into nitpickery far removed from an artists reality

Im thinking about getting the S6 Lite or should I just get a cheap tablet without a display? Everytime I look at Huion or Xpen, someone is having problems with the drivers and cables. Wacom isnt a good value at $80 for the intuos small?

>>4932212
I bought targus case + keyboard the day I got my S6 Lite, it's kinda pricy though, around $70-$80 I think? But it's been good experience, I've almost never used my s6 lite with potrait mode, and this has been my "mini laptop" for the past few weeks. Also I use screen protector, there's no harm from using it, no parallax or whatsoever, I recommend using it if you're afraid you accidentally dropped something like car/room keys on top of your screen. For the pen, it's great, but I've heard staedler norris pencil is better, but sadly it's not available in my country. Check amazon for it, they collaborated with samsung to make a pen specifically for their Galaxy tabs.

$8 for 5 (five!) nibs is too expensive. Are ebay/aliexpress off-brand nibs any good? In the sense they work, don't destroy your tablet and aren't total garbage in terms of life-span. I run through one nib in around 2 1/2 weeks. I use it every day for general PC tasks and playing games since both mice are fucked and I am getting addicted to the pen. I have 7 replacement nibs, but need sth for later.

>>4935371
Hey man thank you so much for replying, I've ordered a screen protector and I had that norris pencil 'saved for later' on amazon from another /ic/ thread so it seems like a solid recommendation, I'll give the included pen a try and decide if I need it
Thanks for that keyboard suggestion as well I'm having a look at reviews now
How are you finding it? What drawing apps do you like? I've seen demos of procreate and I hope I can find something similarly intuitive on android, I think I can get 6 months of CSP as well so I hope that's decent

>>4931429
quick question about something related to tablets. So I bought a huge 22 inch huion kamvas recently and shortly after my pc that had an hdmi port broke. I now only have an i5 surface laptop as a replacement. Is it still possible to use my display tablet with something like a usb c hdmi hub that I can plug into my lower spec'd surface? Will it still work? Also is usb c the normal usb slot used for most pcs? Thanks

>>4935319
No wacom is awful value for that thing dont fucking do it

>>4935504
I dont think usb c to hdmi converters work with graphics tablets because you need the usb c to provide power to it...

>>4935484
CSP is great, infinite paint x is good too, you can use some "paid" brushes for free if you watched ads every 18 hours. If you want to purchase it it costs like 7 bucks I think. But for me, CSP is the best app.

>>4935556
sorry I don't understand the whole usb c thing at all. Anyways is possible to still use my display tablet on a computer that doesn't have a port? Like is there some kind of HDMI port substitute I can buy off amazon that I can plug into a usb slot into my laptop with?

>>4934940
I have one, the earlier version.

1 computer it worked flawlessly, the other it had issues, huion was fast to tell me what to do, and it ultimately came down to the chinese drivers were more recent, get them and it worked. later re installed windows and it worked on the us drivers.

of any chinese company, I would go huion due to support, at least email, is very fast with helping.

Personally, Its cheaper then wacom by well over 200, maybe 300$ for the same size, and since wacom shit the bed in branding and any cheap wacom option is so bad they dance the branding around every few years, what are you going to lose with huion from amazon? at worst, you pack it up and send it back, gg, it didn't work out.
for me I needed a penable display because I cant get over how digital arthas me looking somewhere else at a different scale, 10+ years of owning tablets and I just cant fucking do it, in this reguard, wacom can suck my fucking dick, no 'quality is better here' can make up for wacom display tables being shit you put up with, where people had 5+ year old issues and had to make their own drivers to solve it, and how poorly all display tables are in general, i'm not paying out the ass for wacom when the only thing it has going for it at that point is a higher quality display, fuck that, ill get a second monitor that is professionally calibrated if I need it that bad.

so after much deliberation i decided to not get a display tablet. instead i'll upgrade to a higher end non-display tablet.
i already have a decently sized huion h610 which works fine, but i'm trying to figure out if the upgrade is worth it.

so if any of you have some feedback on these topics it'd help me a lot:
>how good is the wacom pro pen 2 compared to the alternatives (worth the upgrade?)
>is it worth upgrading from M to L size (anyone have any experience using both?)
>what do people mean when they say that the newer wacoms have quality issues?

i am willing to spend up to 500 bucks if the upgrade is actually worth it. currently eyeing the inuos pro M/L

>>4936497
Medium sized tablets are generally considered to be the perfect size.

The new intuos pro line is designed to destroy your nibs so that you keep buying replacements.

>>4936630
yeah i already read all about it in the meanwhile.
leaning towards not upgrading anything at all now. i'm probably just using this to procrastinate lol.

>>4936646
I understand the feeling of wanting a new toy to use but yeah, non display tablets have pretty much hit a plateau in responsiveness tech. The only path left to veer off into is mobile compatibility. Maybe you could invest in a new monitor if you need that new kick

What's the cheapest non display tablet you would recommend? How is Amazons return policy better for this?

I'm ordering the S6 Lite, will any matte screen protector work well with drawing or should I pay more to get the one advertised for drawing?

And what kind of case should I get, most of them have magnets in them

Today I ordered a Galaxy Tab S7+ for 907€ but I'm already thinking of sending it back. I want to occasionally stream to this as a second monitor and that OLED screen is bound to get burnt in in a year.
Guess I'll just try out the tablet as a whole, then order an S7 instead. IPS is peace of mind.

>>4936712
Cheapest while still functional and comfy, XPs Deco 01 or 02.
Amazon's return is okay for this but screenless tablets have a much lower bar to hop than displays so you should be okay with whatever you order. Just look into drivers. Wacom and Xps are the most stable at the moment.

is one by wacom any good for baby artist (me)?
i just want something that i could use for few years, just so i dont have to deal with mouse

>>4936897
itd get the job done but you can get better for the price

>>4936897
Get anything with at least decent sRGB coverage. Colors on the One are totally off. Maybe in conjunction wih a better monitor, but Wacom only gets interesting with Intuos and the expensive Cintiq Pros. At this price range, XP-Pen will do, and ignore the "Chang" guy.

>>4936910
nono not the one, theres other one thats called one by wacom, its without a screen
>>4936901
like what

>>4936934
>>4933367
This one, H610 V2. Straight upgrade from the H610, which a lot of artists here can vouch for.

I have the Wacom Intuos Pro PTH660. It came with this pen, I think it's the "Grip Pen".

I'm out of nibs, but the nibs I ordered on Amazon were too big. Anyone know this model and where to get nibs for it?

>>4936997
Imagine all this bullshit you could have avoided had you simply not fallen for the wajew.

>>4936997
Make your own. Take out the nib and take note of the size on the inside. Sand down a piece of weedeater line, spaghetti, or a toothpick to the right size and make sure its properly rounded off on the drawing end.

Im so glad i dont have to deal with that bullshit anymore. Xp pen nibs are $10 for 50, ive got 100 of those fuckers so ill never run out

What's the point of Photoshop on the Ipad if it's missing 80% of its features? And Adojuden is charging you for it.

>>4936712
Huion HS611 is good if you want something as close as you can get to a wacpm intuos medium.
If you want to avoid huion id recommend xp pen deco

>>4935710
Oh maybe you can use a hdmi to VGA or whatever other kind of monitor port you have? That would work. Do you have more monitor ports that arent hdmi?

>>4937049
Heres a pic if youre unfamiliar with what they look like but your computer should have DVI or VGA type ports on it. If you get a converter thats male whatever port you have to female HDMI you should be able to use your tablet again.

>>4937042
Thats why nobody uses PS on the ipad. Use either procreate or CSP instead.

>>4936997
>>4936630
When (and why) did pen shapes switch from pic related to the tapered-with-ridge shape shown here?

>>4937233
its easier to hold for long periods of time

who makes the best pens after the wacom pens (nibs aside)?
huion or xp-pen?

>>4936720
Targus is the official case, it's neat because I have place to safely put the pencil. Not sure if matte protector, I just use regular tampered glass and it works fine. Probably you'll be fine.

>>4937233
Wacom has always used the flared stylus. I think they lost their patent on the shape and everyone copied it. And yes its because of ergonomics, those styluses are more comfortable

>>4937252
Xp pen. Huion nibs still have a hole in the middle to clip them in and they have too much wiggling due to this. Xp pen is the closest of the two to wacom, theyve gotten rid of nib wiggle.

>>4937376
>Wacom has always used the flared stylus
That's patently false, because the white stylus there IS a Wacom stylus

>>4937387
Ah okay sorry im not old enough to know the times before the flared pen.

>>4937252
Apple with the Pencil.
Then Samsung with the S-Pen.

All Chinese pens are trash.

>>4937493
Yawn. Booooring. Do you have autism? Is this your religion or something?

>>4937252
>>4937493
Huawei need to step up their game. They don't even sell replacement nibs. Pitiful.

Question for screenless tablet bros: I have an XP-Pen G640s and it worked flawlessly since I bought it 8 months ago. However, the nibs tend to become scratchy after prolonged use. They make a scratch sound on the tablet surface, and leave small marks. No effects on calibration, sensors or anything like that. Has this ever happened on Huion or Wacom anons? Also, how can I fix this?

>>4937562
Youre wearing down your nib.... change it out.

>>4937624
Nibs can't wear out after 8 hours of use can they?

>>4931429
been using a 2020 Kamvas 13 for almost 5 months now and so far it's been a good experience. Any questions?

>>4937632
Its definitely possible if youre pressing too hard. When you look at the nibs that are scratching up your tablet, are they ground down to an edge?

>>4937760
Have you ever tried it with android? If so how is it

>>4937773
I've never actually tried using the android connectivity, since I just keep my tablet on my desk. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

>>4937562
>XP-Pen G640s
I suggest using 0.65 diameter weed trimmer for nibs, and consider cutting out plexiglass or those plastic binders for papers; cut it out and tape it on the tablet.

I use this on a xp pen deco pro and Intuos 3, it's a very smooth surface though it can feel "slippery" for some, but you get used to it. nibs last god damn forever, and it's always smooth. with the weed trimmer trick, you basically have a lifetime supply of nibs lol.

>>4937252
For their proprietary product:
Wacom
Apple
XP
Samsung
Huion
Everyone else.

>>4937052
all i think i have is the mini display port and the standard usb thing you plug in most if not all usbs/wireless mouses with. I recently bought a 4 port usb hub that gives me for extra usb slots for the price of 1 cause there's only 1 port in the surface.

I'm guessing something like an Hdmi hub that connects to the common usb slot doesn't exist right.

>>4938128
No the hdmi needs to get plugged into the graphics card so even if there was a hdmi to usb thing it wouldn't work. There are hdmi to mini displayport converters though.

>>4938176
so basically i need to get something like this if I want to use my tablet with a computer that doesn't have an hdmi port available. Only problem now is that this thing only supports apple products. Correct me if im wrong though.

>>4938361
Hamilton to usb 2.0

Please learn about your tools before asking to be spoonfed.

>>4938361
Uh... mini displayport is the same as thunderbolt. A plug is a plug dude.

How does the Cintiq 24HD hold up? There's one listed in my area for a pretty good price and I've been wanting to upgrade to a drawing monitor.

>>4938578
sure but try it out just like any used product to make sure they're not unloading a problem on you. Test it for 30 minutes and make sure there aren't any issues with heat, flickering, dead pixels, etc

Got to test the Galaxy Tab S6 and an IPad Pro in a store. It's not even a competition. The S6 pen is very floaty with jank pressure recognition, has a way too small nib for angle support to even work properly, and lines would often just stop drawing entirely midway through. The Apple Pencil, on the other hand, just works. Is the S7 pen really that much better? Because I need a mobile drawing tablet and I really don't want a ClosedDownEcoSystemPad Pro.

Is this type of case good? The SUP case has the kickstand I think will be useful but will the screen protector affect drawing? Im also looking at just a rubber case with no kickstand and Ill need a sleeve to carry it in

Are off-brand nibs any good? Like going for those 10 packs of nibs for $2-3 on ebay/aliexpress instead of buying 5 Wacom nibs for $8-10.

I've got an iPad and 2 regular tablets but I'm kinda interested in getting the new Remarkable 2.0. Only interested because one of the pens has a eraser function.

How viable do you think it could be for art?

Does anybody use their phone for digital art instead of a tablet?

I’ll be traveling abroad to work for a year. I’m thinking of buying the new iPhone (6.1 screen), with a third-party stylus and use it for digital art. I can’t have anything else other than a phone with me.
I also thought about using some tricks like sketching on a physical paper, and scan or photograph the work, to digitize or vectorize it, and then paint/color it with an app like Procreate.

Can I make it work? I usually do all my work on a desktop PC.

>>4939340
how is an android less of an enclosed ecosystem than ios? you can plug in an ipad and drag-drop files to-from your pc just like a galaxy.

>>4940165
The remarkable tablets suck ass. Maybe 2.0 came with serious improvements? The first one was absolutely unusable

>>4939583
>Buying nibs instead of weedeater line and sandpaper

Pic related finally released this week.
For those unaware, it's the only dedicated Wacom AES tablet ever. I don't know what the fuck it is with lelnovo and advertising, but there's zero announcements about it even on their site. I've been refreshing the page for three months in anticipation, and it just fucking silently showed up one day.
I'm cautiously optimistic about the jitter situation. I'm also incredibly nervous about the USB-C only output. Thankfully the return policy is pretty relaxed, so if I need to send this back to china it won't be hard.

>>4940181
At that point I'd just do my work on paper desu. 6 inches is way too small and even with a stylus the touch sensitivity of an iphone isn't even close to that of an ipad.

>>4939583
Are you getting nibs for a pro pen 2? Just get the pack of 10 for $10 on amazon. That lasts me a couple of months of serious drawing on a 2017 intuos pro.

Just got the cheapest drawing pad on amazon, it works fine in paint but when I try it in gimp there is a little straight line at the beginning of every stroke which is infuriating, how do I make it not do that? It makes any kind of precise drawing impossible

I currently have a screenless Bamboo Capture. I would like to upgrade to a screen one here soon.

> $400
> U.S.
> Display
> Unsure of size

>>4931429
Is the touchscreen on the Thinkpad X60 any good? I'm thinking of getting one for some drawing and programming.

>>4940631
use krita

Is it really that good?, i've been reading the archive and realized there is too much shill that it gets suspicious and on youtube every review is sponsored

>>4940872
Bruh
>>4931751
>>4932726

>>4941006
Yes. If you get it on amazon you can always return for any reason so if it doesnt live up to the hype you can just get your money back and buy something else.

>>4941006
just watch out for the drivers. Xp-pen users reported virus/malware flags when downloading their packages earlier in 2020. I would recommend downloading one that’s at least 30 days old and having your anti-v scan it before installing.

>>4941006
It's good, but not like... Amazing. Precision is good, little line wobble on mine anyway. I don't really have any complaints other than maybe the drawing area is too smooth. It feels really nice
The wheel-mouse is kind of annoying though because you activate it accidently if you touch it although I think you can disable it.

>>4941156

Didn't see another anon post the same bit basically. Thanks.

>>4940224
>how is an android less of an enclosed ecosystem than ios?
Well, by not allowing to sideload apps or being designed around an open file system.

I also got 2 major reasons.

1. iOS developers sure know their audience are willing to pay extra. And even if you were to jailbreak and sideload apps, there's not that many cracks floating around and a lot of these apps have subscription services and are hard to impossible to crack anyway.

2. I want to use this as a second Windows monitor, mostly over WiFi. If I were to go Apple, the one app that people say works reasonably well (Duet Display) not only charges a yearly fee to access pen features, but you get plenty of user reports saying the installation totally messes up Windows graphics drivers. So, basically, I can forget about it.
A Samsung tablet has at least Virtual Tablet to go with, which to my knowledge, doesn't mess up drivers, and only has a reasonable one time price.

So I'm trying out the Galaxy Tab S7+ and the pen is a whole lot better than my experience with the S6. Pressure and consistency is just fine, pretty much nothing to complain about at first glance. Shame I'll have to send it back after some consideration because that OLED screen is not gonna last me a year.

>>4941006
I dont understand this shit. Disregard the schizo for a moment (although he hasnt posted in ages, might be banned)

How are you supposed to know if a product is good if everytime someone says it is means theyre a shill? That just means you cant even ask. Your only choice is to buy everything and try them out. Is it the fact that they dont mention downsides that bugs you? Screenless tablets are relatively basic bits of tech, and even the worst on the market will still do the job.

>>4931429
>Wait for the Galaxy Tab S7+
stop copy pasting OP text retard

>>4940181
I use a 6.9" screen. Doable but takes more time and effort to get the work done. A larger tablet should be better.

>>4940181
>using a capacitive stylus for anything
No.

Anyone using Krita on android? What programs do you recommend for the Samsung S6 Lite? Im using a windows pc with Krita and would like to use the S6 Lite as a drawing tablet

>>4941283
My bad, Virtual Tablet is an Intuos style screenless connection. Super Display works reasonably well. Little bit of lag, and touch controls in Photoshop are too haphazard to actually use. Other programs like Sketchbook don't even have very usable touch controls to begin with. Having a knob sure is nicer.

>>4941582
OLED doesn't burn in anymore, they fixed that a few years ago for high end displays.
Now, whether the Vietnamese children who hobbled your tablet together actually made a high end screen...

Bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite as a beginner tablet 3 months ago.
Been satisfied with it, but I want another tablet for my desktop so I can
1) Use Clip Studio Paint which I bought a license for and never used
2) Drawpile

Good or bad idea?

>>4941867
Krita is the one real option you have for Android.

>>4942343
CSP is on android now exclusively for Samsung. Hows the Tab S6 Lite been?

>>4941006
All Chinese tablets are bad.

>>4942453
Ergo all tablets are bad
That's it thread closed boys he got us good again

>>4942455
Ive learned here that Wacom isn't worth buying and the Chinese Huion and Xpen are junk

Aren't all the pros using Wacom?

>>4942465
lmao, you've fallen for the crap spouted by the resident schizo. Your loss I guess, spend the money on wacom

>>4942444
csp is a timed exclusive for the s7
s6 lite is good for the price
s pen nib has worn down only a little after 3 months of daily use
android krita is missing some features desktop krita has
if your drawing is too big or has many layers in krita lag gets noticeable

I used to draw every day till my mid-teens.
I got into my dream school through being able to draw.
I bought a $700 intuos 2 years ago, and I didn't use it for anything besides editing a bunch of meme pictures.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME?
HOW DO I BREAK THIS FUCKING CURSE?

>>4942453
This
Get an ipad

>>4942609
ipads are made on Mars?

>>4942609
What? Ipads, Iphones, fucking all of them are made in China as well. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but its not some big conspiracy that virtually all tech is made in China. Its because its cheap and that creates more profit. It really is THAT simple.

https://www.sourci.com.au/why-apple-manufacture-china/

>>4940181
>I’m thinking of buying the new iPhone
why
get the note 20 ultra instead

>>4942609
>made in China means designed in China

>>4943057
Your design means nothing if the hardware isn't of high enough quality to carry it out.

The same for art.

Any PC tablets that are worthwhile? I tried out some at Best Buy and good god they were so slow and floaty.

>>4941867
I'm using CSP on the S6 lite, it's probably the best. Autodesk's Sketchbook is a decent alternative after the 6 month trial runs out.

>>4942444
>>4942519
You can get CSP on the S6 lite, and any Galaxy device with Android 9+.
I've been using it for almost two months and it's been great so far.

>>4943193
Not really. Your options are Hp Zbook, Surface Pro, and maybe another 1 or 2 options. They are all kinda ass in their own ways for drawing.

>>4942465
Not all of them. I know a few that have to work with wacom in the studio and have offbrand (mostly xp pen one has huion) at home. Even if they can afford to get a cintiq some of them would still rather not dish out that much on it.

>>4943193
Never go Surface Pro (and Lenovo, they are in the same ballpark). Not only do these $1000+ devices keep having touch / stylus issues that never get fixed (look up SP7 Staircasing) but the screens are just awful. Not only does the latest Surface Pro not withstand an objective color test, you can just look at it and tell that the screen on this very overpriced device is just pretty bad.

I would like to try out that 2 screen laptop from Asus but $2000+ is a tough call.

I'm broke af. Can anyone recommend a decent drawing tablet under 100$?

>>4943688
>>4933367

H610 V2

Is there a drawing tablet with a touchscreen that's not as ridiculously priced as the Cintiq Pros? I don't need it while drawing, but when I have this screen standing as a permanent fixture on my workspace it sure makes all the sense in the world to have some input on it.

>>4943850
Nope. If you want touch screen you need cintiq pro or something like an ipad or galaxy tab. Ive had wacoms with touch and I always turned that shit off, it doesnt feel right.

>>4943850
Ipad or a Bosto 16 touch, but thats mediocre.

>>4943688
Huion hs611 but do not buy it if youre left handed. Also dont buy it if youre not buying through amazon, because huion is shit with returns but amazon doesnt give a shit

>>4943408
Color quality/accuracy is a meme. There's no reason to have above average color, since 99% of your audience will have a similar or worse display. Unless you are a photographer or an industry pro (meaning you wouldn't be here, you'd just have a cintiq), you don't need it.
Furthermore, convertibles have one thing that no other drawing display has: single digit ms response times. Even the highest end cintiq has a huge response time. As a solo gamedev, I couldn't imagine using one of my dedicated tablets for 3D.
There are so many displays with active digitizers on the market today that it's hard to make broad claims about them. Lenovo, for instance, has 4K OLED drawing displays that use Wacom tech, something you won't find elsewhere. Surface Pros aren't as shit aside from the price, and some pens make them okay. HP has both ZBook and Envy. Dell, Acer, Asus, LG, Samsung, all of them make screens with styluses these days. You won't even find a list of them, they're everywhere. This isn't 2015.
As with anything, it depends on your use case. /ic/ mainly uses drawing tablets to replace traditional media, so the advice here leans a particular way. But recognize that there is a time and place for convertibles.

>>4943850
>>4940572 ($450 before coupons, $380 if you're smart) s your only hope.
Warning it's AES and it's got mediocre colors.
And it's USB-C only so good luck.

>>4945048
Colour accuracy isnt a meme and you even established that in your own post. Ive returned many a tablet because I cant fucking stand having to drag by picture to my main display to see what colours im actually putting down rather than what I think Im putting down. Huge issue. So no, I dont agree that its a "meme". But thats ok, because displays are only going to get better, and cheaper options than cintiques are coming out with excellent contrast ratio and gamut coverage.

>>4945103
Color accuracy around 85%-95% is alright but you need to absolutely make sure the contrast ratio is good. Anything under 1000:1 is utter trash and it doesnt matter if it has 99% adobesrgb because the contrast is 800:1, when contrast is wrong, all your pretty colors are wrong too.

Im surprised nobody really considers the contrast ratio when theyre talking about displays here.

>>4945103
>>4945138
Again, it depends on what you're drawing and who you're drawing it for.
I do most of my work on an X220t (like, 70% srgb), and I have never cared that the colors aren't exactly what I thought they were. It isn't something I even think about be because it isn't something I need. Because your client/audience also won't have a 120% adobe srg coverage. Hell, a good fraction of your audience will be literally colorblind. It's like, 10% of the population is literally colorblind, and much more than that are awful at discriminating color.
It's a very niche thing for almost everyone here. People invest too much time worrying about accurate colors, but only a single digit fraction of your audience will have a good enough monitor and good enough eyes to notice.
For someone who primarily draws to learn, like most folks around here, it's totally moot.
If you need it, you'll already know you need it and will have already found a solution long ago. If you don't know you need it, you don't need it.
Or in short, "if you have to ask, you don't need it"

>>4945151
I understand your point, but its even important for beginners as well. If your display has a shitty contrast ratio, your value judgement will be thrown off drastically in your studies since therell be such a huge discrepancy between your displays. I believe that as an artist its best to have as much control over what youre doing as absolutely possible given the medium, so vivid colours and pitch blacks are a must for me.

Should I bite the bullet and buy one with a screen this time?

Are screens really that big of a game changer?

>>4945151
>People are, like, colorblind, and some of them literally, tha's why we can create shit and no one will notice!
Holy hell, this is the kind of person that writes paragraphs on here.

Working accurately with the right gamut is important, kids. For print, for example, you can target DCI-P3. For games and desktop applications making things look good on a monitor that is a little bit more vibrant than sRGB, which is what most desktop monitors will be going for, is a good target.

>>4945605
Stop pretending like you work for Pixar. There are very few use cases that require an above average color gamut. Unless you are printing your work out, there's no reason to care.
Most people have absolutely garbage monitors, on par or worse than even the worst display drawing tablets. Not only won't they care about the difference, their monitors won't even depict it.
Color autism is nothing but FUD and marketing. It isn't something you actually need for general use.
Who are you making art for that you need that many colors? If you don't have an answer, then you are making it for nobody. It's fucking autism.
Color gamut is a lot like underwear- it doesn't matter what it looks like when 99% of the world won't see it.
You only need just enough to match the unwashed masses. Any more has zero return for 99% of cases. It's the same shit as people who insist on having 8192 pressure level when fucking 512 is more than enough. It's FUD and it's autism and it doesn't fucking matter.

>>4945588
I can't do non-screens. I have several monitors and craning/contorting my body in such a way to see what I'm doing instead of just looking down at my hands (you know, like humans are adapted to do?) doesn't work for me.

>>4937760
how's the pen accuracy? i have the 16in and its killing me. not sure if this is a general tablet thing or what

what about the new acer spin 5? could it be better than the n-trig windows 2-in-1's?
>3:2
>wacom AES

>>4936630
> Stick a piece of paper on your tablet.
. Have the feel of drawing on paper
. The first nib still intact

>>4942465
It's called buying used. Just buy a used Wacom or iPad.

Never buy Chinese, they're terrible.

i know they've gotten closer, but do cintiq alternatives compare at all to an actual cintiq? and if there is a gap, how big is it?

bonus points if you have experience using both.

>>4946046
Its not 2010, boomer

>>4946028
can i trust this post?
post nib. also how long have you been using it?

also what kind of paper? ceap copy paper or the heavier printer papers?
i assume you change the paper every now and then?

>>4946127
3 months, nib's still the same.
I use standard A4 printing paper. Yes, I change paper every week.

>>4946138
i see, thanks.
while i'm at it, do you maybe have any experience with huion/xpp pens and how they compare to the pro pen 2?

>>4946143
No I only own a Wacom.

>>4946145
i see, thanks anyway!

>>4946138
That looks like a good solution. It wouldnt work for me personally since I really prefer a smooth surface that I can glide along even when pressing hard.

But at the end of the day, an intuos pro is a really bad purchase if you care about money. Youre paying 350 for a tablet whose functionality matches that of one for 60.

>>4931484
I bought a huion and the screen squeaks really loudly when I try to use it now. I probably put to much pressure on the pen though

3 gang

>>4933313
Based company hating on plebs

I bought pic related to get my Kamvas pro 16 off of my desk. Works fine, the velcro tape holds the tablet very securely on the tray. I bought the Parblo stand that was recommended in previous threads and it was fine, but if I had realized how easy (and cheap) it is to put a non-vesa tablet onto a monitor arm I would have just done that instead.

>>4945636
Post your work, retard.

>>4946127
not the guy you're replying to but yes it works, probably best tablet 'hack'. Use any paper you want, basic printer paper is probably the minimum. Some people move up to card stock but that really isn't the feel i want so stick with basic printer stuff.

>>4946719
more like two gang, the 4x5 is not really usable imho.

>>4942147
I take back my initial experience with Super Display. After trying it out on my main PC (6x5GHz Intel CPU, GTX 1080), the experience is much smoother, although of course not as smooth as the tablet can do natively, and I genuinely can see myself working with this, at least in Krita. Haven't bothered to copy over my DRM-free Russian version of Photoshop yet.

Looks like you need a decently powerful PC for this setup.

>>4946148
>Youre paying 350 for a tablet whose functionality matches that of one for 60.
Wrong, Chang.
Chinese tablets cannot do tilt properly, do not have touch functionality and have less consistent tapering.

>>4947118
Boring

>>4947133
Nobody ever clicks your image, chinese moron.

>>4947135
>still here
>still autistic
>still salty beyond imagination
>still isnt an artist
>still the same old boring lingo

You might be the saddest person on this board and thats saying a fucking lot

>>4947157
You can cry all you like, Chang, it's not going to convince people chink tablets aren't hot garbage.

>>4947053
i'll ask you the same question if you don't mind: see >>4946143

because right now i just want to know if it is worth the upgrade (from my H610v1 Medium). from my research it seems like the intuos is strictly better, but not as much as its pricing indicates. now i'm kinda looking for more details.
i obviously don't NEED it but i'm willing to upgrade since i want to go pro.

>>4947161
Neither is that though, so thats alright.

>>4937760
any input lag? pen pressure good?

>>4947173
> go pro

What do you think that means? If you already have a tablet then what are you doing here? Leave, get to work, and produce results enough to get paid. I don't care if you stare at a blank page for 8 hour, it's more productive then going to braindead threads on 4chan.

> wacom is too expensive
That changes once you start getting paid. If you can't afford it, all that means is you need to keep working until you can afford that tablet you really want.

Seriously, go away for a few weeks. Get past the withdrawal, you'll realize this place is nothing burger that was holding you back.

>>4947327
you're getting me wrong, i'm not saying i won't work until i upgrade. i'm drawing right now even.
the question is just if the comfort of a less wobbly pen, tilt and slightly more accurate strokes is worth the 350 price tag.

again, my 610 is working fine. it really would be just for the sake of comfort. if the upgrade would make my sessions more comfortable then i'd easily pay for it. but if it's barely noticeable then i'd just feel scammed.

i should probably just try to get my hands on it and send it back if it doesn't work out i guess.

>>4946028
I do this too but it's to preserve the surface.
Had the tablet for 6 years, been using it every single day for a couple of those and it looks brand new.

Medium intuos pro really worth it at 100USD more than the small?

>>4946859
I have the same tablet. I was thinking about getting this thing for it instead of an arm. I don't wanna spend more than $40 on a stand or arm.
https://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Reading-Folding-Portable-Adjustable/dp/B01FYO0KJC/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=drawing%2Btablet%2Bstand&qid=1603150221&sr=8-1-spons&smid=A2SU2D39R5EDCQ&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExM1FaRVdBWlY4S0w4JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjAzNTExM0hDOTlaRlVERTEyMCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDI3OTgzMUQxTjZFUUhLNTEzRyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

>>4947384
Doesn't that tablet already have a built-in angle adjuster just like that though?

>>4947397
It doesn't, it just looks like it does. It's actually rubber to keep it from sliding on smooth surfaces.

>>4947359
this version of the intuos isn't even 6 years old.

>>4947384
That should work fine, I would have stuck with one in that style if I didn't want it off my desk.

>>4940181
i got a note 10 lite recently for <400usd
i find that if i have a sort of downwards grip on it in the left hand horizontally, i can rotate it comfortably just enough so that i can get good long and smooth lines on it the way i want to and keep the flow going

i've found it excellent during a recent 1 week trip, did more drawing on it than i thought i would
sketchbook did plenty enough [i primarily use PS on desktop] though i wish it had clipping mask

can recommend; you absolutely need to avoid being a "perfectionist" with it

>>4945993
>16 gb ram
>new i7+iris gpu
>3:2 screen

no test talks about the digitizer/pen at all. god damn it.

>>4947916
Only buy Galaxy Notes if you live in the US or select Asian countries. Otherwise you are getting massively scammed buying a phone containing a budget in-house CPU with heavy renderer incompatibilities, but with the same name, advertisement, and price point.
Also, every new Samsung phone has new issues and they do their best to sweep the rumors under the rug and not pay the slighted customers a single cent. With newer Notes, just one thing that comes to mind is the screen getting a warm discoloration after a while.

>>4947369
I dont think so, I need one and think the small is ok at $80, medium should be 150 max imo and Id still question it

they only last a couple years so not worth buying used either

So i don't draw as much or as well as i'd like to, but i'm starting to think of getting a drawing display on the very flimsy justification of "I can use it as a second display when i'm not drawing" and it's only a "small" premium over a second monitor.

Talk me out of it /ic/

>>4949072
No go for it!

It's a great idea, like buying a convertible car and only having the top down for 5 minutes every year to take a photo so you can show everyone you have the luxury over having it and only to just use it to pop down to the grocery store.

>>4949072
> inferior color range, dynamic range, and refresh rate
> willingly inheriting spaghetti setup
> not buying a +40" 4k samsung as a monitor so you never have to lean forward ever again

Hey guys I just got a tablet thanks to recommendations and advice in these threads. I'm setting it up now. Can anyone give me some advice on what settings to use? Pic related is all the options I'm going through right now. Kind of unsure on what to select since I've never used a tablet before. Anything that I should change right off the bat?

>>4949678
do what feels good for you. everyone's setup is different.

fyi based on your screenshots, you only have the 'functions' tool is setup for each app (photoshop/illustrator/indesign). you need to add photoshop/illustrator/indesign again for the 'touch' and 'grip pen' tools as well (we all make that mistake our first time). You add applications by 1) clicking on the tool (ei 'touch') and then add the application by clicking the plus sign in the Application section.

>>4949072
>"I can use it as a second display when i'm not drawing"
I thought the same and I haven't done it yet six months later. Multi-monitor setups can be annoying btw. You're sitting there with your main monitor turned on and secondary turned off. You open a program and it pops up on the screen that's off. You didn't necessarily move it there before, maybe it just goes there randomly because fuck you. You open up a full screen game and it wants to run on a screen you don't want it on. Maybe you're lucky and there's an option in the game's menu to switch screens. Maybe not, but the hotkey works to force it to change screens. Or maybe you have to fuck around in your display settings to get it on the right screen and then fuck around again after you're done playing to put things back to how they were. You open a menu in a program on your drawing tablet and the window pops up on your other monitor where you stylus can't reach. There's just all these little things that suck.

>>4949313
>> inferior color range, dynamic range, and refresh rate
This tenfold, it's why I switched back to my intuos even after 6 years of screen tablet. How wacom get away with selling the shittiest monitor possible for art purposes is beyond me.
Also if you've never drawn on a high-refresh low-latency screen, it's like the difference between spreading butter and chalk.

I know that 2nd gen iPad is recommended, however I can get a 1st gen hand-me-down for free. Should I just buy a new apple pencil for that, or is there anything crucial that 2nd gen has?

>>4949804

if it's free get it. that plus $100 for the apple pencil is the cheapest way to get into digital art with a screen i can think of. if you get bored in a week i'm pretty sure you can flip it on craigslist/ebay for $300

>>4949678
funny how no one in any of these threads recommends or has recommended the latest intuos pros to anyone but you got one anyway. Good luck with the nibs

>>4949821
Anon can just slap a thin plastic folio or whatever it's called over it. My nib hasn't worn down a single time since I first got my intuos m pro 2.

>>4949931
>having to DIY a purchase just in order to not get screwed over by its actual design and to be able to use your tablet that costs not twice, not three times, not four times, but six times the price of a similar functioning product

If it was the only choice due to the countries supply then I understand, but if not then goddamn

>>4949678
Wacom settings are seriously whatever you want them to be. There's usually curve modifiers for all tablets that can alter the sensitivity curve further.
>>4949938
I'm second generation Chinese so I know exactly why I should avoid certain products.

>>4949948
>muh gommies

You're either naive or just a retard. You're supporting china no matter what you buy, and even if they spy on you, so does your own government. The difference is, your government can use it against you legally, but china cant. Cope however you want, you wasted money.

>>4949948
> second gen

me too. this dumb ass chinkshill thinks that everyone fighting them are westerns, not considering a world-wide community of chinese and descendants who escaped communist china oppression over the past 100 years.

>>4949958
I mean, both Wacom and the other brands are going to be made in China. But there's always two tiers of stuff you buy there, the cheap stuff and the stuff which the peepa actually use. You get what you pay for and nowhere is it more true than in China. Except maybe with cintiqs and all those other screen tablets because let's just say I've seen more artists have to get them and have problems - more than I can count. And also RE apple, you can literally see them have worse specs than the competitors and those things need jailbreaks. So, I don't like them.

Now I don't know with regards to tablets which one is which. Maybe they're all made in the same factory. The importance of tilt depends on the brushes and program used.

In any case, if you're going to be buying a medium and have a tiny budget the obvious answer will be Huion and other brands but I think that since literally everything else can be torrented you might as well spend a lot of time deciding what tablet you'll buy. I used to easily spend that much on traditional. Nowadays, a tablet is a one time purchase and a good one will last at least half a decade if not more. And that means observing what tablets the artists you admire use, especially because the reviewers can't draw.

>>4950020
*peeps

>>4945993
man, if it has a dedicated graphics card, I'd consider it.

>originally ordered s6 lite on prime day, paying in installments
>'undeliverable'
>re-ordered for today
>'undeliverable'
>called to re-ordered again
>'yeah no worries wait a month'
>'it says I can get it tomorrow on prime delivery?'
>'...we'll call you back'
Any experienced on amazon with this? Are they punishing this poorfag? I don't think anyone I spoke to knows what to do besides ctrl-v'ing standard responses. Uk btw.

iPad Air reviews just dropped!

iPad Air 2020: The Real iPad Pro killer!
https://youtu.be/nDy32xoXM4o

The New iPad Air (2020):
https://youtu.be/0FnX1ufiMzM

iPad Air 4 Review: Who Needs an iPad Pro?
https://youtu.be/1G5fF8ReqqY

God, if I had infinite money I would definitely go for this EMR laptop.
Anyone who has worked with a "flexible" laptop will know just how much of an improvement a protruding display would be. Turning the laptop 360° is just way too clunky and you can't use the keyboard that way.

>>4950478
That thing will overheat so fucking hard. I hope no one here gets greedy and at least goes for the safer option of a gaming laptop with fuctioning FANS. No use in spending thousands of bucks on a thing that you can only use 1/4 of the processing capacity of because it BSODs from the heat output. Of course if you only do 2D art there's no need for those specs. It will just burn up and be unusable at full capacity on 3D.

>>4950491
If there was a large, rugged portable Windows device with EMR and a good screen I would go for that. Who the hell needs an "ultra thin" case?
But there's not a single manufacturer making those, so we are stuck with the "sleek" designs.

>>4950495
It's a shame the designers only care about money and not common sense. ;_;

whats the bang for the buck EMR laptop right now? expandable ram or with 16gb, non-soldered if possible, with dedicated GPU because I also /p/ and /gd/. around 1,000-1,500 freedom dollars.

>>4950532
After doing some search, Galaxy Book Flex 15, probably. Ok contrast and colors for the price. But it has a pretty bad GPU.
The lower configurations of ConceptD 3 Ezel should also be around $1500.

>>4950478
>>4950532
>>4950538
So much for the ConceptD line... Read the Amazon reviews. Wouldn't buy. The second hinge is brilliant though. Why can't we have a proper laptop with that?

Have a Huion for almost 3 years for around $350. Still working great.

>>4950538
>>4950555
Only the ConceptD 7 Ezel and ConceptD 9 use a EMR pen

Forgive me if this is a stupid question. I'm a traditional artist learning digital. Just got my Intuos pro. Do you work with your tablet angled like on a drafting desk or do you have it flat on the desk? Any recommendations? inb4 just do what's most comfortable

>>4950478
why would anyone want this in a world with usb/bluetooth keyboards? it's like one of those designs that would only be cool in a 80's retro-future sort of way.

>>4951054
if you have a background in painting try vertical. otherwise flatter on the desk. painters have built the back muscles/arm and wrist posture for vertical (not to mention a couple of easels lying around). for everyone else who grew up doodling on paper find it easier to work horizontally over long periods of time.

>>4931866
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BZ897B4/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A30BRCK3LE6SB5&psc=1

i hace the 20 and i like it. here's something i made yesterday:

>>4950478
>Anyone who has worked with a "flexible" laptop
>tiny screen
>can't reach the keyboard
>laptop hardware
>battery
>good luck cleaning the dust out
>overheats
>dies

Wow such an improvement why are the zoomers so crazy about the laptops? Are you living at starbucks or what?

>been out of here for two weeks
>the /pol shill is still samefagging and screeching at people
>none of them are even me

I have never felt such power before. To make a person scream alone for weeks.

Of you ever feel down just think about this guy just sitting there and screeching REEEEE at literally everybody for not buying his shit.

>been out of here for two weeks
>the /pol shill is still samefagging and screeching at people
>none of them are even me

I have never felt such power before. To make a person scream alone for weeks.

Of you ever feel down just think about this guy just sitting there and screaming REEE at literally everybody for not buying his shit.

>>4951204
Been using this for the last 5 years
It's great when your in face to face meetings about what the client wants and the i7 is plenty powerful it doesn't chug with fill bucket or magic wand.

I wouldn't use it as a replacement for my cintiq but I can't deny it's usefulness.

As much as an iPad might replace it, there are some essential windows software I require like illustrator and indesign.

Hey, I'm going to eschew some of the questions and only answer some basic ones.
>budget
$500-$1200 USD
>type
display tablet
>information
I mainly draw on an 11 x 14in/27.9 x 35.6cm sketchbook using pen and ink. I cannot draw comfortably on anything smaller, and I fill the entire surface of the paper with drawings. What display tablet would work for me given these constraints?
>previous equipment
I own an old iPad Pro and use Procreate for some small commissions and touching up my illustrations. It's really fun to use and I love the portability, but it's way too small for me to use. Also, I do not like the 1st generation Apple Pencil.

>>4951282
>What display tablet would work for me given these constraints?

Your budget fits the Cintiq 20 and Kamvas 24.
With Kamvas you get a much better screen
With Cintiq you get a marginally better pen
Do your own further research.

>>4949770

Awesome thanks dude.

>>4949821

Actually it's a 2013. I specifically waited for one to pop up on craigslist because of the nib issue duly noted in this thread. Good luck with being a fag.

>>4949948

Yo thanks a ton this is super helpful to reference.

>>4931429
If I'm literally just getting started learning to draw, is there a tablet to recommend? I know the answer is probably just to start eith pen and paper, but I have a professional background in photoshop and would feel more comfortable learning with layers

>>4951752
Depending on your budget a simple screen less like an Intuos or Deco series tablet should be fine.

>>4951803
I was considering screenless, is there any difficulty learning to use one? I imagined it would feel weird drawing without looking at where the pen is, but maybe i'm wrong

I have the iPad Air 3 and kind of want an upgrade to the 12.9 pro. Think the extra screen space, ram and refresh rate is worth it? Don’t think I ever saw 120 FPS before

>>4951819
There’s a small learning curve of hand eye coordination that most people adjust to after a few hours or a few drawing sessions.

Alternatively some find their hand blocks their view on display tablets.

>>4951819
There is an adjustment.

Since you have a professional background in photoshop it should come easier with you.

People focus on looking at the nib thinking that is the thing that paints, you should be more easily disposed to look at the cursor as the spot the paint actually comes out of. You don't look at your mouse when you move it around the screen do you?

>>4951825
>some find their hand blocks their view on display tablets
I never understood this. Does your hand not block your view when drawing on paper? Do those same people have difficulty writing things in pen instead of typing them out because "their hand is in the way"?

>>4951876
It's common for everyone except the most recent generation of digital artists. Up until recently, having a screen tablet as a first step wasn't really possible for most people. Everyone started with a regular tablet. The transition from screen-less to screen leads to the issue of having to work around your hand again after so many years. And yeah it is a weird phenomenon, there's no issue with drawing analog it just happens when working digital. You ipad kids don't know how easy you have it.

>Budget
$300
>Location
US
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display (portable not important if it hinders performance for the price)
>Size (in inches)
>Previous equipment
I have an Intuos Pro Medium and I want something as similar to it (but display version) and trusty as possible. Have had no need to change pins or replace anything in over 5 years.
Or is this not even possible for a display with this budget?

>Other information
Amazon only

>>4931429
How long will an old Wacom Intuos 3 be viable? I have a small 4x6 one I bought years ago and have been considering grabbing a giant one off ebay since they're fairly cheap (especially missing the stylus), but I'm worried support may be entirely dropped or something.

Also is there any hope of linux supporting shit better? When I first bought this and was using photoshop and painter all the rotation and tilt stuff worked great, but with Krita on linux it feels much less maneuverable. Like if I'm using a square brush I need to be able to rotate it to get clean edges and shit, like with a real paint brush.

>>4952198
To get something of similar size you'd need a slightly bigger budget to get a 3rd party tablet like a Huion. At this point you might as well save up another couple hundred and get a Cintiq 16.

requesting help.
i'm new to drawing. looking for something preferably under $200. I don't need one of those tablets with a screen.
im not sure what is normally recommended for beginners but i'd prefer something at least medium-sized. also, I'd prefer buying it new, but if you guys think it's worth getting a used one then i'll trust you. other than that, i dont really care about any specifics. as long as my fellow 4channers recommend it to me, i'm sure I will buy the best one :)
I was looking at the XP-PEN Deco Pro because I read good things about it but I see the OP warns against it. If not that, then what should I get?

>>4952361
The OP of this thread is a rampant shitposter. Check pic related here >>4947133

The Deco pro is a good tablet. I used one for a few years. Screenless tablets are all very good nowadays, you have a very broad range of choices for far less money than youd have needed to pay 10 years ago.

>>4950491
>>4951204
Correct.

>>4950478
>>4950495
>>4950532
>>4951273

Lamy has a (presumably comprehensive) list of EMR devices. Do not buy AES. N-Trig is a bad joke and should not be used by anyone ever.
https://www.lamy.com/en/emr/

Some of Fujitsu's rugged dockables have EMR, the latest being the Q737. However, they are only 13.3 inches and neither the hardware nor the keyboard are anything to write home about. Screen colors are just about serviceable. They also only sell to businesses, no retail.

I would, however, strongly advice AGAINST BUYING ANY 2-IN-1 DEVICE AT ALL. Get a full-fledged, robust and repairable laptop instead (you should have one anyway), and throw in an Intuos.
Ask yourself: What are you going to use this for? Are you just casually going to pull out your desktop-style device and doodle on it in your hands? Yes, screenless displays may seem outdated to some, but they are still better to draw with than any ultra-thin and yet clunky convertible would be. You are probably itching to buy yourselves new toys, but with such finnicky and fragile hardware it is best to stick to the well-working basics.

As for what laptop you should generally get: A thick one. If Thinkpads are too archaic for you, there's a couple of lesser known companies with decent setups. Schenker/XMG, for instance, allow you to open the case in their warranty conditions, as far as I recall. Might have changed, don't think so. You can also go much cheaper, of course.

>>4952481
Just to put this into perspective: A laptop + Intuos combo
-is most reasonably priced
-is the least likely to break
-has the best possible mobile performance
-is the smoothest possible mobile drawing setup
And a proper laptop should be the first choice for a general companion / non-stationary work device anyway

Convertibles, on the other hand have
-screen
Which isn't even necessarily a plus, the way you have to bend over. More like a different positioning.

>>4949821
That's the older Intuos Pro model you dumbass.

>>4951428
>>4952570
>hehe, I actually bought a handmedown tablet more expensive and offering equal > performance compared to modern tablets! Gotteeemm!!!

>>4952618
Yup, the official texture sheet is, what, 30 bucks. Pure autism.

>>4952361
Again to re iterate, be wary of Chinese shills like >>4952433
They're known to get very angsty at the prospect of losing a potential customer.

Anyway, if you refuse to go for a used Intuos off eBay, I would recommend trying to extend your budget a bit and pick up an s6 lite.

>>4952658
>If you refuse to go for a desktop device, extend your budget and go for an Android tablet that can techincally use a makeshift app to somewhat connect to Windows Ink.

A schizo and a retard.

>>4952361
Sorry for that intrusion, don't get thrown off by our resident schizo. If you see emotional arguing, you may be dealing with our schizo. If you see the word "Chang" you are definitely dealing with him.

>>4952685
>If you see emotional arguing
your posts are nothing but emotional arguing

>>4952433
>>4952658
>>4952685
you guys are funny lol

>>4952685
t. chang

>>4952618
You really are one desperate idiot

New thread

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>>4949821
You sure are upset, chang.

>>4952198
Save up for a Cintiq 16 dude

>>4952361
Get a medium Intuos Pro used on ebay