/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>leddit

>>4936295
ngmi

>>4936295
anon i have bad news for you...

>>4936333
He’s a faggit?

>>4936295
I need to wait 6 more months at least to post my progress, my results are still inconsistent.

>>4936295
Just dont, pls no, or grind more or gtfo.
Why did you make a fucking new thread for this- fuck off.

>>4936295
>>4936345
What causes this and how the fuck to avoid it?

>inb4 talent

>>4936451
grinding more, mfs didnt even try

>>4936451
"Just draw"

>>4936295
You learned how to "polish a turd" with a bit of rendering

>>4936295

>>4936295
>>4936345
There's visible improvement in these two. I don't see the problem.

>less than 1 hour a day

I've had more improvement in 4 months

>>4936295
>haha i posted le leddit bait thread screenshot! So epic!!! XDXDXD
post your work loser, i bet it's even worse.

>>4936451
studying hard, not smart

>>4936764
You probably drew more in those 4 months. 230 hours actoss 4 months is still only 2 hours per day.

>>4936457
>>4936722
>>4936780
Morons that can't do basic math.
These examples posted aren't the result of shortsighted, mindless drawing, they're the result of not spending nearly enough time on art.

>>4936785
meant for >>4936779
not >>4936780

>>4936295
2019: soul

>>4936295
soul vs soulless

>>4936345
soul vs soulless

>>4936848
>>4936846
>>4936812
Shut up faggot.

>>4936295
>1 year
>230 hours
ngmi

>>4936850
nani???

>>4936295
>>4936345
This has to be just lack of awareness right? These guy were just unable to look at what they made and spot the flaws right?

>>4936785
these are the kinds of people that get angry when you tell them to just fucking draw.

>>4936451
That's what happens when you don't study the fundamentals.

I know artists who have been drawing 6-8 years and are stagnating/getting worse just because they don't bother focusing on learning how to describe form. The fundamentals of corners, cross-contours, gesture, observation... they ignore it and try to learn anatomy, rendering, color theory, etc.

There's definite theory to drawing! You can't just draw and expect to improve, anymore than you can expect to improve your writing just by writing. What happens to all those novelists who write 10, 20 novels and never get published? What happens to all those musicians who play music every day and never make it? They all don't study the fundamentals. They all think they're "above" the basics.

>>4937334
Studying fundies is key that’s right but you definitely can learn by just doing too, unless I’ve got a superpower which I highly doubt

>>4937334
How does one avoid such a pitfall

>>4936295
Literally soul vs soulless

>>4937434

By realizing that you know nothing and be willing to start from scratch. These kind of stagnation drawers will never get to that realization, not matter how much they spend hours trying to "draw."

>>4937462
Retard vs retard

>>4937434
Following a course/class is the best way imo.

>>4937339
you're right, but holding wrong opinions/preconceptions can hold people back

Like, people who insist on only drawing from imagination, or people who insist only drawing characters and never practice perspective/environments, etc.

Its just hobby, no regrets.

>>4936295
> symbol drawing in 2019
>rendered and constructed symbol drawing in 2020

Definitely GMI

>>4937564

Anon, boobs don't work that way. For the nipple to be viewable at that angle would mean that it got insanely stretched there. If you were to look at the girl from the front, you would see an insanely stretched boob.

>>4937564
Someone please draw the right one from the front holy shit

2019

>>4937667
I can't tell which one is before / after

>>4937752
wtf bro....

>>4937667

and 2020....

>>4937769
draw a pose in 3/4

>>4937785
s-sure

>>4937648

>>4937854

>>4937854
>accidentally put the thumb on the correct side
i fucked up

>>4936295

>>4937785
>>4937845
so easy....

>>4936718
This.
Fuck 167 hours wasted
This person is doing no construction at all. Learning basic construction and 10-20 hours of figure drawing and you will be better than them. Probably less than that. The sad part is, they think they are good and view this as an accomplishment. The first step to getting good is admitting that you suck. Then you reach out and seek ways on how not to suck.

>>4937998
wew

>people out there timing how much they draw
no wonder they're so shit

>>4937854
He really captured the gesture of that mangled corpse

>>4936451
being told to "just draw"

>>4937339
It's not a superpower, but being able to look at what you're doing and then improve on your weak points definitely isn't a skill everyone has.

>>4937334
but they told me to just draw

>>4938727
The best thing to do is to stress over conflicting information on the internet and do nothing. Bonus points if you hoard resources and don’t use them

>>4938726
It’s a skill anyone with any chance of success has. Is this talent? I feel like you can learn to do it quite easily though. The people who can’t must be borderline retarded

>>4938732
I don't know how common it is, but the internet has convinced me there's a large number of people with no ability for self-reflection at all.

>>4936295
September 2019 vs October 2020

I wanted a somewhat realistic yet not artstyle over the course of the year, and so not too long ago, I tried the change the eyes

Now I can't draw my old eye style in confidence again

>>4936785
suck my cock and call me angela fagggot

>>4938735
How hard it is to self reflect in which you can place your drawing over the reference image and see what went wrong and listing them out.

>>4938732
>I feel like you can learn to do it quite easily though. The people who can’t must be borderline retarded
seems about right >>4938950

>>4938976
What's that supposed to mean?

>>4937998
Pretty spicy anon

>>4936451
lack of talent. No amount of fundies can fix that.

>>4938950
You’ve learned nothing

>>4938976
kek

I found the left image in my old imgur and figured this would be fun
I could have lined and colored it but I felt it only fair to keep it a sketch

>>4938950
what style?

>>4939241
Congrats, you can draw generic calarts noodle arm people.

>>4936295
You practiced the same image for 230 hours and this is the progress you made?
Hate to crab it to you, anon, but...

>>4937564
>>4937596
>>4937648

Are we not gonna talk about those frog hands and weirdly bending arms? The right looks like arms were drawn from front and then twisted a little, boob is so flappy she can just slap it to the side and the fingers are ... just amazing

>>4937769
The fuck is going on with those nails

>>4940511
Yes that's what the Adventure Time style is/ was and what the character was from

>>4940542
her hands are numb so she doesn't use her hands and they are always covered in her sleeves, so uh... i guess that's the state of her nails.

>>4940537
>>4937854

>>4940553
Fuck you wormslut! Rin is better.

August 2019 vs October 2020

I had some very vague understanding of art principles from a single art class in college at the time. The second is the result of a lifetime of cooming culminating into the desire to create my own coomterial

>>4940511
If you don`t see the clear improvement despite the simplistic style you`re ngmi

>>4940634
Pretty gud

I exclusively draw creatures

>>4936451
living in a bubble of people always telling you you're doing good no matter how bad you're actually doing

>>4940634
God damn, good shit if you're serious

>>4940634
genuinely not bad keep it up and you'll get there

>>4937334
what resource or course to learn the fundamentals of corners, cross-contours, gesture, observation?

>>4942206
Vilppu's course actually teaches all that:
>Spherical forms: Overlap / 3D mapping
>Box forms: Corners / Planes
>Cylinders: Cross-contours / Ellipses
>Modelling Tone: Planar Analysis

He just doesn't name his lectures that way, but that's what they're about.

>>4942213
thank you!!!

>>4936356
hshahahahahahhahaha

>>4937854
Kara no shoujo fanart?

>>4940511
if you think that he didnt improve because he stayed accurate to the AT artstyle then u dumb as shit nigga

>>4936451
Delusion. Even the best were this bad at some point, but they probably didn't brag about it.

>>4936295
>230hours
>1 week is 160 hours

you studied a single weeks worth of practice in an entire year?

6/21/2020-9/30/2020
These are both submissions for contests. I think I'm moving forward or just getting better at polishing shit.

>>4943153
>>4943067
wow you guys are fucking trash, ive progressed way more than thi sbs

>>4943159
I want to see anon. Inspire me.

Could it have happened faster, sure. But at least it's happening.

>>4936451
Dont fall into the "draw 8 hours each day"

>>4943153
I would work on your line work/weight like it kind of has a messy appealing quality but if you can clean it up a bit that will really improve it imo

>>4943404
I think that's a very minuscule amount of my problems but thank you for the feedback. A lot of that has to do with being zoomed in for too long on portions of the canvas and a broken pen I've been drawing with the eraser for awhile.
>>4943371 I would like to see some in between, something you drew a few years ago to get a better grasp of your progress.

this is a month of "progress", can i get advice on anything?

at your age back then in 97 the mango senseis r already in the industry assisting people and winning awards here and there while you are stuck here trying to play the next jack ma or stevegateswith your anime.

also your collegue friends are kicking more content and profitting double of your work with half the hours. work smart but you arent smart.
get lost. get used. git.

>>4936295
lost souls... all the lost souls.
hahah

why desire? desire is evil. sit your ass, suffer. your practice is nonchalant. and you are useless denizen of planet earth and you cant even make any sentence coherently. shut the fuck up, retard.

>>4943777
get mental help

>>4943816
if i get better i wont be able to draw anymore

>>4943153
Ngl, I think your newer is cool as fuck, just work on your proportions a bit (heads a little smol). Looks like trigun kinda, keep at it...

>>4943153
I like the old one better desudesu

Too lazy to make a collage so here's a screenshot.

>>4943153
Old one is cuter, but those are some powerful thighs.

>>4943944
nice improvements with the heads!

>>4943451
Here's one from a while back that's more in-depth.

>>4943371
wtf pedo?

>>4944378
I like how you also went through that phase where you think brushes will just do all the work and everything is flat as well as completely out of scale (as in you zoomed in way too much to detail things).

Pretty proud about this

>>4937769
Nigger im seething, imo great progress for a year. u got a blog?

>>4936295
not trying to sound mean
but i don't think this is one year.
or you don't care

find a better way to study,
you need to study properly
its obv you're not doing correct studies

>>4936451
Fake positivity, empty platitudes.

This is what happens when you neglect Loomis

>>4944816
i feel so sorry for you,,
anon...
your "now" are is less appealing in every way

>>4947581

>>4937998
Pretty good anon. The right left feels off, I think its placement is not the optimal one, moving it a little bit to the left. I don't know, don't mind me, just a subjective thought.

>>4937998
>>4948201
Btw, where can I follow you?

>>4937564
6 years to become a soulless, low quality food for coomers

>>4943835
good

>>4943371
blog?!

>>4948255
redmarlin on Newgrounds

>>4937564
Ignore crabs, I like this despite hands

>>4944816
I think you improved in drawing people, but your first now picture reads a bit flat when I look at the body compared to your second now picture. You also seem to have switched aesthetic sense from the "One year ago" picture, which is okay, but they're actually more interesting to look at.

>>4950094
Thanks man I appreciate it :)

my biggest progress is having a set time to practice drawing instead of only drawing when bored

>>4944816
Your before pics have more energy to them though!

>>4943153
blog?

>>4950805
Nice. Your values really give depth to the scene in your now example

Fuck my art is so trash

Roast me

>>4943153
Amazing progress.
Although I like the character in the older one more. The ne one clearly has more soul.

>>4944816
If you are trying to show your progress why would you choose to use an unfinished sketch that couldn't have taken more than 30 seconds? This makes it look like you got much worse..

>>4951364
>30 seconds
Reproduce that in 30 seconds, color and all

20 years of (occasionally quite nonexistent) progress.

Between 2000 and 2013 I filled up about 4-5 sketchbooks worth of drawings that were mostly of Pokemon and Sonic the Hedgehog. Starting from when I got my tablet (2012 onwards), I made and posted 252 total pieces of art (excluding a few pages of /ic/ sketches and some 3D).

>>4951364
>>4951649
I just wanted to show the style change, usually I don’t draw humans much less in an anime style, usually it’s more stuff like this

>>4951337
I think it would benefit you to get out of your comfort zone try and do things you know you'll suck at and that is how you make faster progress when you have to solve problems.
>>4951848
You're on the right track generally, you're just autistic.

>>4952188
I guess only time will tell if I have the chops and the insanity required to get to the level I want to be at.

>>4951337
I remember seeing your stoof back in the day. You've improved a lot since then in terms of rendering and feeling the form. Practicing with head angles and gestures/poses would help you ease into other subject matters. Well done!

>>4951848
unironically good as fuck. i love what you do with color

>>4952188
>>4952208
Fair advice, thank you. I just don't know what to draw most of the time when I feel like going outside my comfort zone. I guess trying to do figure drawing from quickposes would help?

>>4952468
Figure drawing helps you to draw the figure in motion and can make your art pop

>>4952452
Thankyou anonpai. My biggest inspirations are rei_17 and krenz colourwise

>>4951848
Nice.

Had to work on my master thesis so for for the past two months I had no time to draw so I was doing mostly studies.

>>4952657
seems mighty cherrypicked to me

>>4936295
i like it.

>>4952659
It kind of is.
First drawing is day one, when I started "Drawing on the right side of the brain", the last one is my first social media post.
The one with the Rem took me ages to draw.
Here for example is something I did one week before Rem one.

>>4952699
It's very good progress regardless, you don't need to put your absolute worst vs. your absolute best to make it more significant. Keep it up.

>>4940739
>>4942257
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"

>>4936451
Unironically lack of talent..
Talent is a thing, believe me, I have it

Outdated by a few months

>>4943835
>if i get better i wont be able to draw anymore
you're already not able to

>>4953052
If whilst drawing the cat your intent was to capture the misery and the pain of life, the twisted and dark realty we live In forced to suffer, you succeeded with splendid results,
If not some general anatomy might help

>>4953052
Get an exavt photo ref and copy it anonchan

>>4936780
Honestly 230 hours is not much. Fuck, I started playing Monster Hunter with my partner maybe 4 months ago and now we're at 230ish hours played. We only play from 10pm-12/1amish and not daily.

>>4938950
Lol this has to be bait. /ic/ is full of shitters lmao

>>4939241
hey dude nice improvement. I'm interested to see progress you've made with figure/life drawing

>>4951337
absolute regress from 2017

>>4940634
Keep it up coomer. Also, the sheen on the far right character's hair doesn't follow the flow suggested by your linework. It really flattens the image

>>4937854
my sides

>>4937339
You can... But studying fundamentals serves as a mirror. I'm sure we've all experienced how our eyes/observation grew much faster after learning art fundamentals. You can look back on a piece and see why it's flat, rather than feeling vaguely dissatisfied. A lot of artists who "learn by just doing" are stuck in echochambers and don't receive valuable feedback.

It's definitely true that you can learn by simply plugging along (that's how I learned to draw for the first 20 years of life), but your growth is absolutely stunted. Why not put in the time and get exponentially faster results?

>>4953376
I have the exact same experience as this person

>>4953371
How do you suggest I unregress? I've been drawing as much as I can every day.

Has anyone ever kept a particularly bad drawing just for the sake of making a progress pic? I have what is certainly the worst picture I've ever drawn and I'm just waiting to crack it out.

>>4953645
ngmi

>>4953649
It's also something I drew when I was about 14, and then I stopped for about 7 years so I'm basically starting fresh anyway.

>>4953653
it's not going to be very impressive if you include the time frame then

>>4953645
all my drawings are the worst...

>>4953629 >>4951337 guy here again
Have I actually regressed? If so, how do I get better?

>>4957357
stop comfort zoning with photo ref floating heads, it's been 4 years lad

>>4943371
there is unironic improvement here
just maybe could have been done a little faster...

old vs new
im not satisfied yet

>>4958181
Kinda pointless if there's no dates

>>4943371
Holy shit I used to draw almost exactly like you did in the left picture.

>>4958378
fuck i hate that generic "i have to pee" pose

>>4958640
My bad. Thanks for the call-out

>>4958745
lmao, its exactly how i draw at the moment, i think its what happens when you try to draw "realisticly" but know fuck all about anything

>>4958888
Nice, getting softer and a lot less mannequin-y

>>4958888
Nice gains and nice digits

actual filesize of original drawing, which was 4 months into starting drawing.

>>4960329
Damn, great work

behold my autism

>>4958181
>>4958958
Goddamn that's an improvement. The right's quite stylized, but it actually works in a way I can't explain.

>>4958378
Also excellent, much better in every respect

>>4958888
damn, that's pretty incredible too. one face a day, right?

>>4960276
Terrible subject matter, but excellent painting. Shine on, you crazy diamond

>>4960329
bretty good

>>4960359
You started off pretty good and then just got better. Nice one anon

>>4958181
I think I may know you, I recognize that style on the left. Is that from around 2012/13?

My biggest problem is that I draw for 1-2 months in a year and then stop for the rest of the year to return later. This year I'm drawing a lot more and I'm feeling the progress.

>>4960598
I wasn't even using this site back then. That's from January of 2019

>>4960444
Yep, one face a day comboed with picking some videos in my ref stash (prokos course and vilppu)

I will fairly pick (2) sketches effort

>>4960958
good progress bro, can you try to resize your images before uploading?

>>4960958
gib me ur gainz, my lord
>canned questions:
1)for how long you have been drawing?
2)resources you studied from?

>>4960982
I do sometimes
>>4960985
I started and have been drawing every day since late January 2019
Resources I should be taking much more seriously cus I haven’t improved with a lot of things yet, but so far I looked at proko stuff, Marco bucchi or whatever his name is, various other YouTuber, try doing gesture drawing sometimes, and recently I started fun with a pencil by Andrew loomis and a perspective course

I missed out on so much practice time between 2018 and 2020. I barely practiced over the quarantine as well.
Don't be like me. If you have time to draw, DO IT.

>>4961809
soul v souless

i would say i've come decently far

>>4961844
yeah, in being a DEGENERATE

jk good work keep it up

>>4961809
Really love the anat!

>>4961028
Good job, inspiring stuff

>>4958888
Wowzersssss I’ve been following you for a hot minute. I know you don’t like istebrak but you got some insane gains from her challenge. Good job!

>>4936295
>>4936345
Practice in the triple digits of hours is nothing honestly. You could easily sink that kind of time into a video game and not even blink. You can spend that kind of time doing something and still not be very good at it.

>>4937334
>The fundamentals: corners, cross-contours, gesture, observation

>skipping these to learn anatomy, rendering, color theory, etc. is doing it wrong

Hang on a minute what?? I’ve never even heard of these, these things just aren’t in the vocabulary of the things I’ve watched/read... should I just put a pause on Loomis and Peck? I saw that Vilpu apparently teaches this stuff.

Who was in dhe wrong here??
King George V in World War 1 I WHO DID WHAT IN WW1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QYyuj7nuSA
I have an army / We have a Hulk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GF1x0-VX0

>Crisis 1917

>>4936451
Many factors.
Some people are born talented, with a natural gift. It’s a real thing. Most of us are born “neutral”. And some of the people are born with the talent to fuck up drawings, no matter how hard they try. Such is my mom’s case, her attempts are horrendous. Great musician though.

Also bad references. Get surrounded by mostly bad art or “generic shit”, become shit. In the better case, you don’t improve. Otherwise you get somehow worse.

>>4936295

>>4961853
thank you i fucking laughed

Here's a span of 3 years, started in 2017. Each pic was drawn in October and took around the same amount of time to draw...
Some degenerate giantess fetish stuff. Been on the 'turd polishing' route this whole time and should probably try to break a little out of it.

>>4962800
the problem i have with your art is that it's completely soulless. there's no unique style to it. it's just another generic anime tit lady.

>>4962814
I think you're right. I should try to do more expressive stuff, if that's possible for me.

>>4962800
Render monkey

>>4962841
work on expression and pushing poses. come up with some distinctive original characters and work on putting them in unique scenarios. you clearly have the skill, i think you just need to push yourself more.

>>4962895
Thanks anon, I see it clearly now. I'll try to work on those aspects next.

>>4962800
2021, hot air ballon titties

>>4962800
Nice, you actually got stuff done with your time. My progress of yours would be like 2017 to 2018 and that's it because I didn't make anymore improvements in the next two years. I really like your last piece too, the torpedoes really pop out and the contrast with the moon is cool too.

>>4939241
TEN YEARS????
A DECADE????????????

>>4962930
What the fuck is wrong with people, I assume in a decade I’m going to be fucking amazing compared to now. I’d be devastated if I made this progress in a month

>>4952164
the new ones look cool, but I liked the robotics

>>4962930
>>4962938
Brainlets

>>4962950
Seethe stagnater

>>4962938
>I assume in a decade I'm going to be fucking amazing
Not with that attitude

>>4953052
you should go back to traditional

2017

>>4963447
2020

>>4936451
look closer
>167 hours
>hours not days
they're attention whores with no intention of improving

>>4963450
Also 2020

>>4963447
>>4963450
you got less appealing anon
the older one had yoji shinkawa feel
the second just looks like deviant art OC

>>4963450
Do you not try for neater art?

>>4963455
this ones better

>>4963466
>>4963470
I was mainly imitating shinkawa, it's still bad fundamental wise so I've improved.

I do have a tendency to scrawl a lot even when painting will try to focus on that, really messes up my values.

>>4963472
Thanks. Though it"s still messy. My anatomy has got better but I can't render and my values can be messy a lot of the time.

>>4936295
Looks ok
I'm only mad because its R*DDIT

>>4958378
Nice progress. Especially when it comes to the head and face

>>4939241
Give media so I can jerk off to your work later.

not much drawing in 2020 since the 2 two months where I've autiticaly only drawn blobs.

>>4963484
the proportions and anatomy are awful, like you've never studied them in your life

>>4965942
Thanks anon, would you mind being more specific? A redline would help.

>>4953376
Rarely seen on /ic/, could this be the ever elusive actual advice?

>>4958888
How did this happen? How did you get this good

>>4962800
Practice on a lesser Sympho chick before doing Maria

>>4937596
Not him but I can confidently say you don't know what ur talking about m8. Some people have flabby boobs.

>>4936304
bump to anger you

>>4962927
Thanks anon, hope you keep it up too.
>>4969462
Will try, gonna attempt drawing them all

>>4936451
Studying from proper resources. Your average "art teacher" at the YMCA or the Community College is not a proper resource. Students with no experience just don't know what to look for and are taken advantage and/or mislead by people who don't know what they're doing. I've personally seen this happen numerous times. My own aunt suddenly decided to start painting for fun in her 80's, and after a couple years of doing that, she's teaching classes to students despite the fact that she knows nothing about painting, nothing about perspective, nothing about anatomy, nothing about light and shade, nothing about art, period. It's upsetting to watch. Her students know nothing and they look to her to teach them when she also knows nothing and worst of all, she's completely ignorant of her own ignorance. It's the blind leading the blind.

>>4971104
>in her 80s
>just for fun
>made it in a couple years
neuroplasticityfags btfo

>>4958888
Are these from imagination? Mirin progress regardless

comment on my time laps post fags

May, August, and October 2020
I honestly like middle the best but I tried a more interesting pose in the most recent one
(I am allergic to finishing pieces)

ngmi or gmi?

2014 vs 2020

>>4971136
Yes. Thank you!

>>4969425
Doing portraits from imagination, them finding pictures to compare forms and what was lacking, mostly.

>>4971869
Small improvements but it's more on the polish side, fundies are more or less the same. Things are not really exact as they should be. I have the same problems as you btw.
>>4972063
Zero progress.
>>4972080
I could see your work on a magic card. This is already at a professional level imo. What the fuck are you doing here?
>>4972125
Nice gains.

>>4943153
Undeniable progress... but I like your older style more.

>>4972080
as somebody else said, kitsch is the perfect word to describe right.

>>4936295
Lmao. Iv just picked up drawing a month ago and went from nothing to the 2020 picture. Ngmi because they don’t want to learn bad enough

>>4936295
Why spend time learning to color digitally and masterfully understanding pallets when you haven’t mastered the first part, which would be the drawing itself? Why would you guys try to progress when you clearly don’t need to be on that step yet?

>>4943153
How do I learn anatomy anon

>>4939241

Middle was an improvement but lacked the confidence in your lines that you had before. The 3rd image improves on this whilst being completely devoid of personality. You could actually reverse the three images and get better feedback.

>>4936451
I think it's mainly being blind to how shitty your art is. People think artists having low self confidence is a meme but if you're constantly thinking about what you consistently do poorly or what looks flat-out wrong in your pieces then it will probably help improve more than someone who thinks their work looks alright.

>>4972369
Because fuck drawing, me and my homies gonna renderfag and do coomart.
and the fact people have preferences despite it being a disadvantage long term. we have people like Aztodio doing coomen art and raking in money while we're here grinding loomis heads 24/7

>>4937785
isn't 3/4 literally the meme perspective that everyone draws faces in

>>4958378
solid

>>4972134
>>4971136
>these are from imagination
well fuck me

>>4972369
Color is fun.

>>4962800
based fetishist

one of the first things I was paid money for vs one of the most recent
about 2 years apart, I still need to start making backgrounds that aren't lazy-as-shit gradients
never open commissions too early, even if friends ask you to do so, because you're going to look back at stuff like this and wince

>>4972324
Because i didnt make it...not sure why

Heres my improvement, pretty much have kept the same style for like 5 years now

>>4972485
That background is cool as hell.

>>4936295
My first painting

>>4936295
My current painting. I dont know how many hours. But i ve only done 4 paintings in total

From 2015 - now, I'm starting to stagnate but I'm kinda proud.

>>4972572

>>4972572
>>4972573
Proud of what

>>4972572
>>4972573
You did not improved at all. Go grab some books and study if you want to get better.

>>4936345
It's actually realistic progress.
He ain't good, but 167 hours is 3 months of 2hours a day or something like that.

>>4972580
>>4972618

I'm proud of my progress as someone who only draws every now and again, I'll get better with time. I'm in no rush.

>>4972430
If it makes you feel better, here's a painting from before I started grinding

>>4972398
Hey do you mind elaborating on the "personality" bit?

Left is the absolute peak of my ability in 2019, while using reference. Right was drawn from imagination.

>>4973391
Definitely an improvement! I think what you can work on now is line confidence
It's not exactly chicken scratch but it's still pretty muddy

>>4973391
What was your method for improving? How did you start off?

>>4973438
It's honestly less a thing of confidence and more to do with me figuring out the drawing as I was doing it, aside from using a pretty blunt pencil and the drawing being about 5 inches tall.

>>4973508
I'm a "been drawing my entire life" fag, never really improved because I didn't even know what to practice. In late I started doing research on how to properly improve, and this is what I came up with:

0. The way I forced myself to actually put in the hours every day was through a service called Beeminder. If you fail to meet the goal you set yourself, you get charged the amount you also set.

1. I started with Gelnn Vilppu's gesture drawing course (the newer one, I downloaded it all through a free trial in NMA because I couldn't find it on mega or CGPeers), and even though I never finished it, it finally made me get a grasp for gesture. I also did Drawabox but gave up after lesson 1 because it's really fucking boring. If you can take it it's really good though, I still plan to finish it sometime.

2. Figure drawing every single day for at least an hour (croquis cafe sessions + I got 15k+ reference images from CGPeers). During my first 3 months or so that was almost the only thing I did and I was improving a lot, though I suggest you also start with the following points to make quicker progress. I also did Proko's figure drawing course. If I ever felt like I was having a bad day with my gesture I just rewatched some of the sample NMA Youtube videos of Glenn gesture drawing and tried to draw along with him.

3. It was through attempts at drawing from imagination that I realized how shit my construction/structure and perspective was. I took Marshall Vandruff's perspective course and did a sort of figure drawing that I haven't seen suggested before: I basically did what Steve Huston does for his gesture drawings (there are Youtube samples), but with a felt tip pen in as few strokes as I could, really trying to simplify the figure as box shapes (pic related)

>>4973564
(cont.) meant to say late Seprember btw.

4. Forget about learning anatomy. If you can't properly draw simple geometric forms, there is no way you'll be able to draw forms as complicated as bones and muscles. I think that the sacred triad of drawing is tool control (aka putting the lines where you want them), gesture and construction. If you have those 3 things mastered (which I'm not even close to doing) you can draw whatever you want. Of course anatomy is useful but only after you master the fundamentals.

5. Observe great artists drawing. Look at sketches and how they come about, you'll learn way more observing how a great artist approaches rough sketches than by studying finished drawings. Some great teachers and artists to observe drawing are Glenn Vilppu, Steve Huston and Iain McCaig. I also really love Richard Powell's gesture drawings (@rchrd.powell on instagram).

6. The Draftsmen Podcast is a fantastic place to listen to great art teachers talk at length about specific topics. I haven't gotten into learning composition but the Draftsmen episode on it is by far the most insightful resource I've seen, Marshall really knows his shit.

I'm probably missing a lot of stuff, but I think this is mostly it. Always try to have fun of course, and study the artists you love while ALWAYS keeping in mind that if your drawing looks like shit, it's more than likely due to a failure in tool control, gesture, structure, or a combination of those three. Even Kazumari who chicken scratches like crazy makes great looking stuff.

>>4973578
Meant to say Kuzomari woops. Also I somehow still managed to write September wrong lmao.

>>4937334
i doubt, let's say, renaissance artists gave a fuck about these concepts.

>>4973564
>0. The way I forced myself to actually put in the hours every day was through a service called Beeminder. If you fail to meet the goal you set yourself, you get charged the amount you also set.
Nigga is this service serious?
>you set a goal, if you fail to achieve it we charge your credit card
I need to start a fucking ridiculous business of dumb motherfuckers are really this loose with their money, what a gyp

>>4973391
Good improvement anon

>>4974273
Well that's the whole point, you don't wanna lose money so you actually do what you have to, it's called loss aversion.

>>4973564
>>4973578
Thanks for taking the time to type this anon, I won't let it go to waste

>>4951848
The jump from 2016 to 2017 is nice

>>4974471
2017 and 2018 was when I began trying to actively improve. Master studies, gestures/poses etc. I also did some courses like Mullins' schoolism and krenz I watched quite a number of artist workflows too. I also started trying to directly incorporate other styles like krenz/ruan jia into my art.

>>4938950
Shockingly bad. Look into drawing on the right side of the brain

>>4943777
Seek therapy immediately. You need to talk to someone

>>4973391
do you have a blog or more original art to show? it looks nice

>>4962360
talent is just supportive parents and a brain thats more analytical for details

that kind of analysis can be trained though

>>4974439
Glad I could help. Also forgot to mention it but always draw from reference. Drawing from imagination is a good way of benchmarking your knowledge or lack there of (like I tried doing in pic related), but if your intent is to practice or create a piece there is no reason not to use reference.

>>4974747
Sadly one of my biggest struggles in general is making finished artwork and actually drawing stuff I want, most of the time I just practice. I'm trying to work on it though and pic related is something I just finished (yea I'm a dirty coomer)

>>4962165
faggot