/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ASSENTIALS:

>>>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Please Go to Pinterest in order to get some fresh new refs

please any feedback

>>4921765
are you using a reference?

I tried drawing The Girl with the Pearl Earring but I gave her Alita eyes :/

>>4921798
nah no reference

>>4921765
I wanted to help so I tried drawing a head from imagination but it was worse than yours so I won't try giving advice.

>>4921765
>>4921798
i'll help u guys then give me time

>>4921867
i will take that as a compliment and thansk for trying

>>4921871
im going to bed so if you reply then cheers im the top poster

I'm new to procreate and I recently got a screen protector for my ipad but it makes it much harder to undo or to zoom in or out. Should I get rid of the screen protector and get another one or are they all like that?

>>4921875
no problem. here's the imagination head I tried anyway.

>>4921798
i can tell what yours is from the thumbnail alone for what thats worth good job

>>4921886
nice mermaid

>>4921745
Is that supposed to be 2B? That mouth makes her look like a granny and she definitely shouldn't have those eye shapes since they're covered by the bandage

>>4921941
Also her nose is crooked

>>4921940
thanks

is this crit worth?

>>4921765
>>4921798
I failed you all

>>4921886
Not /beg/

>>4921960
Everything is crit worthy.

Improvement from yesterday, keep going. Look at what you see, not what you think you see. Measure, proportions, pose. A pose like this is too advanced for your skill level, as it has a lot of foreshortening and too much black hiding contour and structure of her body.

Layer your drawing over the image, at 50% opacity. You'll see what you got wrong, and possibly why.

Look at the overall form.

Look for the underlying structure, and landmarks.

Compare measurements and check proportions.

Pay attention to positive space, and white space. An image like this helps you here - look at the white space of the photo, or better, isolated it from from the figure with masking. Does the white space of the photo match the white space of your drawing? Why not?

Look at the white space in the crook of her arm. Yours doesn't match. Why?

Look how forward her shoulder facing you is, compared to her chin. Not only did you not see that, but you got the shape and placement of her head wrong. Look at where the sword touches her shoulder, high up. Your drawing shows it touching at the top of her shoulder. Why?

This is the mental process to take to learn where you goofed, and what to look for on the next attempt.

Try again. LOOK. MEASURE. THINK. Better, use more simple figures and poses. This one is a bad reference to learn from, at your skill level. You'll get to this level, with time and effort.

>>4921765
Draw bigger. I can see the texture of the paper, that indicates how small you're working.

>>4921902
Stop smudging. Learn to control your medium to create even, smooth tones and textures. Smudging has it's place, but you need to learn control first.

More copying. I'm better at copying already existing drawings than I was a week ago (I think), so that's something.

>>4922008
Some lines are much darker than they are in reality since I had to mess with the contrast in gimp to get everything to show clearly

>>4922012
don't waste your breathe, that hard headed faggot never takes advice and REEEEEEEs for attention when shit goes wrong.

the middle bit of hair looks really fucking weird to me and my beg eyes cant tell why, any help?

>>4922044
The whole hair is a mess. What were you going for with that?

>>4921960
I'm trying to feel the form(ie studying Vilppu) for a few months now, I feel like I forgot drawing observationally like this.

>>4922008
>>4922012
good on you anon. Keep going.

>>4922057
that sorta emo hair over one eye thing but spikey because im a animufag

>>4922058
I forgot how to draw observationally like this*

greyscale head anon

i think this is my last /beg/ post

>>4922039
?

>>4922098
this isnt beg, what was your previous art?

>>4922098
her right eye makes her look cross eyed

Please, critique. Currently working on landmarks, I think I’m getting the hang of where things are placed but some things are definitely off.

>>4922098
The right eye is a little bit big/skewed but yeah, that's some damn good work anon.

>>4922098
Liquefy (or move) the eyes slightly to the left. They are misaligned with the mouth /
nose

am i just polishing a turd here? if by some miracle im not, im having a hard time with the values/colors in the arm and torso area

>>4922256
shit

>>4922201
you don't understand foreshortening and barely captured the pose.

>>4922201
the top half looks good but the foreshortening on the legs is off. I don't blame you because it's pretty aggressive in the photo. I'd recommend trying the coil foreshortening method for a few drawings. It worked like a charm for me.

Did this, I messed up her face shape because of the upper face but I had fun

>>4922324
reference

>>4922259
the face looks terrible too

value changes are much, much softer than what you did

also
>shading with black

>>4922324
>>4922325
Hm, I messed up more than I thought at first, we have back of the head, hair should be lower but second guessing the neck made that one happen, I gave her a bulkier skull
The face it's at the wrong angle, you notice it on the jaw, eye socket should be lower and it would have been but I got confused by the cheekbones which I also made at the wrong size.

>>4922330
the face is*
im tired, sorry for the typo
Yeah it all comes down to the central line of the face being angled and I made it very straight

>>4922324
>>4922325
you did no measuring whatsoever
with the values you didn't even try, you made up what you thought was there

>>4922327
>also
>shading with black

Care to detail why it's bad, and why something else is better?

>>4922336
what? measuring is not the same as construction?
Forgive me art, forgive me muse, forgive me great masters of old, I've failed yet again, forgive me FORGIVE ME!

>>4922340
>>4922336
DESPAIR NOT!
I SHALL REDO IT IN RECORD TIME, DESPAIR NOT

>>4922336
THE MISSION WAS SIMPLE
THE MISSION IS SIMPLE
are we getting closer to the reference?
NO
FUCK
ANOTHER MISTAKE
LOWER THIRD IS DIFFERENT

>>4922327
>>4922331
are you talking about the drawing of the face or just the values? yeah i guess i could lighten everything up and make it look more natural

>>4922384
>>4922325
her lower face is actually a fucking tilted box, FUCK
another mistake but i shall fix it tomorrow

>>4922340
>>4922343
these are the gay pedophiles who chased everyone out?

>4922391
What? I havent posted in like a fucking month dude? I like criticism and I like seeing good art on here, that bastard thats shitposting with his true beg bullshit can fuck off

And youd be wrong
Im closer to being a cannibal than any other thing

>>4920403
This asshole again.

Another sketch last night. Had to go back and fix a bunch of sizing issues a bunch of times. I think I have a problem with proportions, took me a few times to not make his legs look dwarven. Any good books/resources to grind away at for good proportion studies?

As usual, crits welcome

>>4921798
Head is too big, but it's OK I guess
>>4922098
One eye is too big, but your an /int/ anyway

5 minutes from imagination, started to grind fundies again and I hope this pays off

>>4922421
His right arm is way too long.
My advice is to compare angles. You can already compare horizontally and vertically from what I'm seeing, but you also need to incorporate angles.
For example, if you're drawing the right arm, look at the reference and observe the angle the hand makes with the top of the guy's head, or the bottom of his feet. This will give you an idea of how far you should extend the arm.

life is pain

>>4922445
I’m sure it is for you, pedo

>>4922446
*thonk*

>>4922446
wait now that I think about it I only turned 18 like a week ago lol

>>4922421
>>4922426

>>4922455
HIS right arm retard

>>4922098
This better be. Not /beg/.

Shading study
Does this shit look realistic?

>not /beg/

>>4922557
Your values are uneven. Take more time filing in the shadows.

>>4922562
That's the darkest my pencil can get though

>>4922564
use wider range of pencils

>This is not /beg/. Please consider posting in /draw/, /trad/, /int/, or any other general that might suit your skill level.

>>4922564
I'm not talking about the value level, I'm talking about consistency. Some of your shadows have lighter spots, and some of your lights have darker spots. This is because you didn't properly fill out your values.

Am I at least on the right track?

do these look normal

>>4922533
...that's what this is supposed to highlight.. notice how the right arm goes much further?

>>4922640
Yuhuh

>>4922647
the orbit's too large?

>>4922640
good job anon, one thing I notice is that the front of the face is very flat. Most skulls I worked with had a much stronger curve to the teeth and chin area, though I think male skulls certainly could look this way.

>>4921960

Learn how to use negative shapes to your advantage

>>4921902
>>4921975
op here i like these! im glad i got you to draw something, keep it up

>>4922654
No no I was just joking about the big flat head under the pile. The heads look good to me . On top middle the jaws a bit long vertically, I think it’s partially from the philtrum area being a bit too long too but it’s not impossibly long I suppose. Look at that skull without a jaw, the line where the roots of the teeth start could practically be the bottom on the teeth. But yeah that’s just if you’re really looking for a crit, the heads look fine man keep it up

>>4922324
Oh, schizo you are getting actually worse

>>4922721
thank you for the crit lad. i'm very gullible and don't have a good sense of humor - been trying to work on it.
>>4922663
i'll bear this inmind. thank you for the input

>>4922727
I don’t blame you man it’s hard to judge tone through text, particularly in as aggressive an environment as 4chan

>>4922727
you got crabbed, good luck staying ngmi till deaty consumes you

I drew a funny little man, /beg/
Do you like him?

Is it legal to draw people without their consent? Also how would you feel if someone drew you while you were on a bus or in a library? You didn't know they were drawing you until they showed you. How would your reaction be if the drawing looked accurate and flattering, or bad and amateur?

alright , it's kinda crappy but i tried my best :>

>>4922856
i will give him a headpat

>>4922738
>thought out criticisms from more than one guy that make sense
vs
>your comment, CRABS CRABS NGMI

I wonder who he should listen to? If you’re gonna call a crit bullshit you have to explain why it is

>>4922876
is she supposed to have giant tumours on her forearm? take a step back and draw mannequins or something.

>>4922876
just learn to draw faces bro cmon

How to make this more appealing?

>>4922640
Lmao that skull bounce, are you into animation?

>>4922870
it's legal to look at people in public and it's legal to draw whatever the fuck you want.

just wanted to share some progress with you lads

>>4922903
are you trying to copy banksy's art? Try adding a background to set the mood of what you are trying to convey

>>4922870
as long as they are in a public space you can draw what who you want and its best not to show people your drawing unless they ask

I've read in several books/heard in lectures that you shouldn't be using an eraser as a beg. But all the restatement lines really muck up my drawings, and sometimes there are a lot of them covering varying areas as I try to get the proportions right. And it definitely fucks up attempts at shading.
So, what do you say, no eraser/some eraser/erase all you want?

>>4922938
the sentiment is basically dont get too caught up in correcting lines as it just slows you down as a beg, that isnt to say you cant erase lines though, its just dont spend an hour erasing and redoing one single line and ofcourse if all these lines are obscuring you and preventing yoru practice then yeah duh erase them, its not some hard set in stone rule just do what works for you

I can't understand drawing from life with gestures when I learned drawing with mannequins. Is the gesture the leaning of the body?

>>4922876
awful drapery and cope face mask.

There will be a day when I will stop being /beg/, but that day is not today!

>>4923019
cute

>>4922955
gesture is the movement and form of the body, when drawing a figure you dont want it to be stiff but you want the drawing to have a certain flow to it

>>4922723
>>4922384
REALLY? is this better?
I sort of lost control of my actions for a month so i havent been able to practice

>>4923041
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

>>4922876
>tried my best :>
>hid the face with some photo import
Really dude

I draw without understanding what I am doing. Have no idea where to go or what to do from here? Can you guys please just point me into a direction where I can start to learn and progress?

Hello all, just getting into ink art. Can anyone reccomend a sketch pad and set of pens for india ink? Preferably something that is good for drawing and writing and has more than 100 pages

>>4923142
the fact you cant read the big message at the top specifically telling you what to do makes me feel youre not going to make it

>>4923142
study proportion if you want to do figure drawing

>>4921745
What actually makes a cartoonist good? Are they forever /beg/ or never /beg/

>>4923147
I have done that. The problem is I don't know whether I correctly understood the fundamentels or not? Like how do I know if my understanding of perspective is correct? I studied and practiced it but I am not sure. I really do have no idea of what I am doing...

>>4923148
Yeah figures, I always struggle measuring distance with my eyes. How do you get good at it? Like should I just stare at a ruler for a while?

>>4923146
you want to use fountain pens or dip pens? I use a Lamy safari EF nib which is a good beginner fountain pen. As for paper I just use copy paper but you can any sketch pad like the Strathmore 455-3 400 Series Sketch

>>4923160
I used dip pens and brushes with india ink exclusively in highschool so I'm leaning more towards that

>>4923156
well do all those boxes converge on the vanishing points correctly? and can you d 1,2,3p and get them all pretty perfect? if so then yeah thats enough, depending on your goals of course

>>4923156
The Loomis books gives you an estimate of the human proportion. I used those estimate and just draw different models at different angles to get better at eyeing it

>tfw using pureref to organize ref pics
>ended up using it to fap instead

>>4923167
I can't help you with dip pens but I assume like fountain pens it is all about the nibs, you can try looking around the fountainpennetwork.com to look at review and such on pens

>>4922307
I'm getting quite a collection of second hand comic strip trade paperbacks.

>>4923202
Calvin's mom looks a little too stocky here.

>>4923187
eternal ngmi

>>4921991
its just the brush i use in krita, thanks though

>>4923142
Learn proportions. Real fucking easy.

>>4923192
I will, thanks for the reply

>>4923187
How much fucking feet pics does one need

ETERNAL NGMI
>suffer from depression and can't bring yourself to improve your drawing
>depressed that you can't improve your drawing
>instead of not drawing you still force yourself to. draw because the idea of losing more time depresses you more

>>4922384
>>4922324
>>4922325
Another one
I really need to get better at construction... and everything else

>>4923526
wait
I got it, hahaha i got it
brb making 4.0

>>4923536
I CANT
I FUCKING CANT
AND ALL OF YOU KEEP LOOKING DOWN ON ME HUH

>>4923582
...

>>4923584
GIVE ME A PIC ANON
ILL DRAW IT (PROBABLY)
GIVE ME A MISSION

>>4923587
600 boxes

>>4923594
Fine, fucking hell
drawabox it is but i DONT understand the LINES
THE VANISHING POINTS
LIKE AT ALL

>>4922640
These are not beg, and probably not your work.

>>4922915
i used to be. i've fallen out of it though.

red line plz

Feeling the form while watching great lectures

I did this about 2 years ago. Is this line art /beg lvl?

>>4923763
not really

>pepperoni nipples that extend all the way to the armpit
on second thought..

i cannot do lineart. its making me pull my hair out in frustration. I can get something im somewhat happy with using a pencil tool, but as SOON as i switch to pen everything goes to shit. I cant find any resources online that cana ctually help me and its getting me so frustrated, because i just want to draw, and if im just going over the same lines over and over again im not learning. I wouldnt even have a problem but as soon as i move to colouring the pencil tool starts causing problems, so i HAVE to do things in pen

>>4923836
You can't trace your drawing? and show the before and after.

Pls /beg/ I need some quick advice for a background and I'm a babby at photoshop.

I'm going for a retro B-movie poster/comic book type feel, so I got the idea of concentric circles with alternating colors (light green/dark green). Now I've got the circles done, but what I want to know is how do I make the edges of the circles not so smooth and kinda ragged looking, brushy feeling - something like the spiral in pic related, but maybe not so intense. Anyone?

>>4923870
by using a specific brush or just manually drawing the outline to get the desired effect

>>4923880
I've done the circles by using ellipse, duplicating layers and resizing/recoloring. By using a specific brush, you mean just manually tracing the edge and making dents and such, or is there an option to automate such an effect in a randomized pattern?

>>4923888
this is what i mean by specific brush or yeah just manually draw the edges

>>4923894
But that's just a line you drew. Is it possible to automate it on a larger scale for the ellipse shape? The background isn't very prominent so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it, but I'd still like the effect.

>>4923909
>ellipse shape
i can't see any ellipses on the picture so im not sure what you mean sorry

>>4923917
I don't think we understand each other. The actual background is like this but with more circles. I want the circles' edges to be jagged.

>>4923928

so something like this?

>>4923937
More along the lines of pic related, but more "brushy".

>>4922640
nice skulls anon. looks good to me.

>>4923946
yeah as i said just go through brush packs finding the right texture or just zoom in and manually create the outlines with a basic brush

>>4923952
Well that's what I was hoping to avoid but thanks I guess.

>>4923803
Lol You have a point.

>>4923855
heres an example.

Vilppu's basic anatomy lessons are pretty bad, though his course was really good until that point. No structure, no visuals, can't even understand the names of muscles and bones he's talking about etc. What is a decent alternative to that?

>>4922876
I like what you were going for with the Notepad idea. Don't listen to the other anons about hiding face. Art comes from ideas and expression and I like what you were trying to convey.

... With that being said you should work on your drapery and line work, add some weight to your lines and have clothes that flow correctly and it will add a lot to your work. Keep it up buddy

>>4923989
ok? what do you expect an outline to look like? if you want your form back get rendering

Hi /beg/, I'm still trying to get to grips with using a drawing tablet and art in general. I sketched over a ram's skull and tried out blending and colouring, but I'm still not happy with the results.
I did the colouring/shading/whatever by eye but I traced the initial shape from a reference. I've got no clue what tools in photoshop I "should" be using when it comes to colouring, so even though I technically didn't draw this from my head I would greatly appreciate any advice on what to fix. I haven't got a good eye for art so I can't see what to fix immediately.

>>4923989
This looks pretty good to me, I don't know why you are frustrated. Just need to work on proportion and anatomy and you'll be all set

>>4923995
Hampton figure drawing, and FORCE anatomy

>>4923995
which videos of his are you watching, the old ones or the NMA? The NMA ones are pretty decent

>>4923606
framed perspective vol 1 will change that quickly

>>4924003
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaH_WlD_rP4
There are countless workflows but afaik the method here is recommended for studying fundamentals since it emulates traditional and it's easy to set up.

>>4923989
Your linework on it's own looks fine. You don't seem to grasp the anatomy too well.

>>4923763
Id call that upper/beg/ actually,
>garbage pose
>random line variation
>impressive to normalfags
>working knowledge of some basic

>>4924060
working knowledge of basics and worrying about style is no longer /beg/ desu senpai

>>4924031
>>4924008
>>4924002

Thanks for the feedback. Which parts of the anatomy are the worst? - i'll start from there.

>>4924109
no traps on the neck
the armpit on the right side is too high
your figure torso is looks wrong
might need to work of the shape of the butt for that pose

Somebody that I like his art told me this, what is your opinion?
>I would say traditional medium sketchbook, 2b to 8b pencils, and the very thin markers. Also, brush pen, and ink.
>These materials push you to consider more what you'll put down on your paper. there is also no Undo button so you'll be more careful. Studying with these materials mainly some sketches that are more finished or some studies. later on for color acrylics and brushes (thicker the better for learning shape good shape use)... Later on, once you get comfortable with these materials switch to digital and try to implement the knowledge and muscle memory through the software you use. What software you use doesn't really matter. It really depends on preferences or just getting used to one that you been working in for a while. I'm using PS cs6 though. For drawing in digital I definitely recommend something thin that feels like a pencil. and for painting and blocking in shapes in general in digital I recommend to watch this guy video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nt9fa8jZUE

>Regarding actual material that you work with... The price or quality doesn't really matter... you can achieve almost the same with the cheapest equipment as well. Obviously more expensive stuff will give you perhaps richer colors but in the end... their use is "almost" always the same.

>>4924163
Isn't that basic knowledge, learn with tradition tools before going onto digital.

>>4924163
>for color acrylics
I always hated working with these. You can also try watercolors or gouache.

>>4924157
thanks king

>>4924172
well I could assume "why waste paint and pencils if Could jump direct into digital"
But I guess its not recommended

>>4924187
if you want an anatomy reference guide you should check out the Anatomy for Sculptors book. I think you can find it on libgen

>>4923763
No. That said, line art is easy.

>>4924209
Also. What do you do now?

>>4924016
Vilppu Studio Drawing Manual.
>>4924012
will look

>>4924201
That is not a good mindset to get yourself into if you think making mistake and learning is a "waste", but I understand where you are coming from drawing and painting is not cheap for beginners who want to experiment. I find personally drawing with a pencil quick and easy without any other distractions.

>>4924229
Yeah the Studio Drawing Manual goes well with the book but because of the quality of the video it is hard to understand him sometimes, if you can get his NMA videos they're much better.

>>4923041

I like the colors but c'mon anon, I know if u took ur time u could do better than this.
The eye looks super flat and the eyelids looks like it was glued to the eyeball. the eyeball looks dry.

next time you decide to paint an eye, take your time, chill, and draw what u see.

>>4921745
Somewhat stylized drawing of a scene from a movie. I’ll respond with the reference

>>4924302
Reference

>>4924163
>"the very thin markers"
>brush pen
>full array of B pencils
this seems like a digifag that's just guessing. did he actually use this setup himself while learning or did he use #2 pencil and ballpoint for years at the start like most artfags?

Brush pen is fun to play around with, but it wasn't very productive for me learning-wise as a /beg/, it's just too much tool to deal with, and a pentel pocket went through a cartridges in like 2 days of fucking about for me.
Technical pens are nice because they're idiotproof, but any ink is a good training tool for the "I hope you're happy with the line you just drew because it's not going anywhere" effect.
Getting a shit load of pencil options is pointless if you're not deeply interested in pencil rendering autism, and you can get a good helping of that with just 2 weights. 2 weights is nice in general though because you can do construction and a rougher sketch and then fade it with your hand or kneaded eraser and then do a second layer with the darker pencil.

>>4924307
He did physical some time back, now he have moved to digital, so probably everything he is saying is just for his own experience

A work in progress, but any insight is a blessing.

>>4924334
>did he actually use this setup himself while learning?
was more the main question there. recommending brush pen for /beg/ seems sus

>>4924338
Use a larger brush to block in large shapes for clouds, sintead of having small fluffy circles making up one big shape. If you don't have a big brush, you could even use a paper towel or something.

How do people know where to put thick and thin lines in lineart?

Doing boxes using this and I cant make square boxes, like very rarely, help
https://tasty-tangy-meeting.glitch.me/#

>>4924637
they need to be a perfect box right?
Ive never done this tb h, my bad

>>4923989
well I tidied this up and im happy with it. Im gonna move on to anatomy next. I think the problem is i lose a lot of form when doing lineart, but it comes back when I colour in.

Are there ways to further emphasize form in the inking step?

>>4924220
I post my newer stuff on here all the time.

Here's another old one. Maybe 3 years...

>>4924060
Thanks for your insights.

>>4924667
Line weight. But, you can do a lot by just understanding form. And by that I mean form of the anatomy.

>>4922008
>>4922060
Now that I've done plenty of copying, here is the first one I've tried doing from my imagination. Well, first that I've felt good enough about to post anyway. I'm going to force myself to draw feet from different angles more both balled up and open, since that's what I've found most frustrating. It's certainly not very detailed, I'd just like to know how the proportions are?

I really like how it looks now, but I may think differently when I look at it again in the morning more objectively.

Learning how to render. understanding lights and values, and getting more comfortable with Photoshop.

>>4924637
What do you mean "square boxes"? Like you can't get your lines to line up perfectly or you can't draw a box of equal dimensions?

>>4924829
The latter
see>>4924644

Alright, I'll take advantage of me being lucid, guys I have no idea what to do know, I've realized that I barely know anything due to certain things. I only know how to practice ovals, circles, lines and a half assed gesture + loomis, this is not good at all, I should be doing way more and I tried practicing eyes (getting ahead of myself, guilty) only to find that I know jack shit about it.
I'll make sure to write this down so I don't forget, what do I need again if I'm being serious about this?
Dynamic Sketching? Fun With a pencil? Drawabox? How many pages a day?
I've been horribly inefficient
>>4924020
I'm not ready for that.
>>4923526
And come on, is it that bad?

>>4924831
That's because you're not supposed to get a perfect box when using that tool. That Y line tool is made for the 250 box challenge when the drawer can't think of a Y line themselves.
I assume you're doing the 250 box challenge, so don't worry too much about getting a perfect box.

>>4924864
What's an acceptable level of failure? My current boxes are trash and I won't count them towards the 250, I even repeat the lines.
Oh and without the tool, no perfect boxes either then, Im confused, the point of the challenge is just to get a grasp on perspective, correct?

Thoughts? I used a reference for the pose and the character model for the rest.

>>4924889
Body good, face boring, recommend you learn how to draw clothes that are not 2 dimensional

>>4924889
Flat.
Add a smidge of texture to your brushes.

>>4924828
Ok

>>4924699
Cute, yes the feet are the major problem. Look up more birds feet, draw them realistically, then next to it draw renditions of how to simplify them until you like it.

>>4924895
No there is literally nothing wrong with the brush.

Your suggestion.. this will make it worse for this beg

>>4924899
Looks flat.

>>4924686
I like this. Do you only do line art?

>>4921960
>>4922098
>>4923734
>>4923187

>>4924893
>>4924895
I see, thanks for the critique guys.

Why is it so hard to draw rounded boxes

>>4922922
Are those numbers days?

Please rec any book that teaches drawing from imagination/construction drawing that is not Loomis

>>4925227
hampton

>>4925185
>draw box
>round it
>if angle is pointy, make round
>success

>>4924883
i figured the point of the challenge is to get you started on a much longer path to actually reach competence, 250 is not very many boxes.

>>4924900
>blaming the tools

guys do you like this one i drew him in a minute his jaw can also move

>>4925223
yes, i do a face a day

>>4922259
Any wrinkles on a woman's face instantly ages them. To avoid that you have to use a extremely light shading over wrinkles that would be on a young face. Shading hair and skin the same shade was a mistake. The underside of the hair should be a orange, brown ish tone. The skin should be pink or a tan in the shade. Other anon already pointed out softer value changes. When you highlight and color hair, think of it as thin lines clumped together made out of tiny thin lines brushed.

>>4922455
I think the model would be appreciative of the boosted dick size

>>4925263
>jaw can also move
I checked the pixels and it doesn’t.

>>4925296
observe

When shading, do I start with darks and go lighter or start with lights and go darker?

>>4925348
hello garffin of dulm.blue

>>4925354
well most people will start with a light base and then put the shadows on it working up in darkness but honestly its just preference, as long as the finished piece is good then who cares, you can put the whole piece in a big shadow and carve out the light if you want

>>4924209
line art is the hardest thing to do in all of art, retard

>>4925362
yeah agreed, perspective, rendering, composition, good anatomy pfhh theyre easy, but when it comes to drawing the lines in arghh its too much!

Is sight size drawing any better than tracing? Do you actually learn anything from it?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wiUFUHdNIsM

>>4921745
i want to learn to draw but seeing how slowly i learn even the basics makes me so sad. i see people making beautiful art and it depresses me further. reeeeeeeeeee someone fix it

>>4925365
this but unironically

>>4921886
Eyes are super far apart. Very fishy.

>>4922044
I see that you haven't listed to past critique. I think you should move on and not try and polish this piece.

The hands are quite bad. The character looks super flat.

>>4922425
Very cute.

:/

>>4925569

i got lost in the basement and a strange man made me draw this

>>4925569
Lacks construction - the facial features are all too small. Don't be afraid to make things larger.

My progress over the course of the summer, both without reference

>>4925348
OMFGWTFHSROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!

Getting back into drawing and trying this toned paper medium. B pencil with a white colored pencil

>>4925692
gj bro keep it up

>>4924936
Yes, mostly.

I would like to move on from it, but this place seriously has me questioning my own basic skills.

>>4925865
Don’t get stuck in the bucket with all the other crabs

>>4924686
I've never seen it. If that's how you were 3 years ago.............Cuz that's already decent.

>>4925452
how far apart should the eyes be?

>>4924883
>the point of the challenge is just to get a grasp on perspective. correct?
Yes and to gain an intuitive understanding of drawing boxes freehand. If you find that you're repeating lines, make sure to ghost first before putting down your pen. It's normal to have shitty boxes for your first few pages of the challenge. That's why you have to extend your lines with a ruler every time you finish a page and see how inaccurate you were, and then correct them on your next set of boxes.

>>4922955
Begs shouldn't be allowed to draw Saturn.

>>4925964
not the guy who responded too, The width of the head should be around 5 eye size long where the distance between the two eyes should be one eye. Jack Hamm - Drawing the Head & Figure book used these measurement you can also watch this for how to draw the head in general https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>4925910
I'm trying, but it's hard.

>>4925930
Problem is, I came here a long time ago fo help and got embarrassed. And stopped drawing for almost a year. I recently started back. So no, there isn't much of an improvement

>>4926038
>I came here a long time ago fo help and got embarrassed. And stopped drawing for almost a year
why what happened? if you dont mind me asking

Tell me if I understand Vilppu correctly.
1. Draw the action of the figure using lines that imitate how the eye flows through it.
2. Put down loose, generic volumes where needed.
3. Embellish volumes with center lines that come from the gesture lines, and/or draw contours over the surface of these volumes. Whatever will help more later.
3. Clarify forms by drawing how they interact, (pinching, stretching, pushing, spilling etc.)

Each step have their own elements necessary for both previous and future steps. By practicing each step individually, the procedure will become more and more clear. How does that sound?

Any good guides on coomer art?

>>4926138
understand why and how people copy the masters, and apply the same strategies to your favorite coomer pieces to capture whatever it is that makes them work. "Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters" by Robert Hale is a good start.

>>4926129
>Each step have their own elements necessary for both previous and future steps
I think the goal should be doing all at the same time ultimately.

Good places to look for fashion / clothing / coords related materials?

>>4926164
women's magazines

>>4926174
Which ones are freely available online? I never used them so I don't know what to look for.

I tried doing the values exercise from the sticky where I use 3 values and blend them.

>>4926153
I hadn't formally considered that, but I agree. When you're learning, it does help to understand each tool as distinct from another, but tools are only means and not an end. If anything, I feel I understand it that much more, thanks man.

>>4923187
Based footchad

using this doodle to try new stuff out for coloring, any tips on developing ones work flow? any artists to look into for digital coloring?

>>4926188
no idea, I just have a bunch of them floating around in my home

>>4926195
bro the vanishing points are meant to go away from you not towards

This

using huion instead of ipad

>>4926195
Top of the cylinder is dark but the box isn’t?

>>4923019
Soul

>>4926317
yo that shit's cool man

>>4923017
this is good! i'm really seeing the depth of the heads

>>4926041
Thought I was good and was basically told I was shit.

Copying Rui Li

Hey guys how are my bowls

>>4926557
I advise you make a habit of flipping the canvas regularly. Her face is a bit all over the place.

I assume you're doing more than just copying.

>>4926557
>>4926567
yeah it'd be great if i actually post the correct file, right?

>>4926567
>>4926568
>I advise you make a habit of flipping the canvas regularly
fuck, you're right, I totally forgot about doing that. Now it looks like she's having tooth pain or something lol

>I assume you're doing more than just copying
Well, I mostly do stuff from reference, specially photos, and sometimes try to do it some stuff from imagination (although I think I should do more). Now, copying an already existing artwork is something I rarely do, that's why I've been trying to do it a bit more now.

what's the point in learning perspective if you want to draw the figure? and I don't mean construction, I can rotate boxes and cylinders in 3d space. what's the point in all the bullshit from Scott robertsons book? what's the point in vanishing points? I assume if you want to draw landscapes or vehicles you can just make something in blender and trace over it anyway.

>>4926566
Nice

>>4926634
>what's the point in vanishing points?
>I can rotate boxes and cylinders in 3d space.
doubt

>>4926283
the face looks flat compared to the rest of the body

I haven't posted a comic in a while, how's this look?

Not just eh art which I know is still very flawed, but the overall composition and humor.

>>4926164
https://fashionweekonline.com/paris

Not consistent in terms of lighting or shot quality but you can see how different materials drape and move on the body, and it's a very wide range of designs.

>>4926708
obviously visualizing a vanishing point helps if you're drawing parallel lines, but i don't see how that's going to help when drawing someone. unless you're drawing a POV of being 1 inch away from them?

Hey guys, can I get some advice on this?

>>4926752
Yeah, the art could use some work, but it's adequate at least for the purpose of the comic.

The overall composition is good too as it's not stuff and has a lot of life which a lot of web comics don't have.

The humor is a bit on the nose and is essentially an "I explained the joke, joke" which I don't find funny, but at least you put some effort in.

Your linework is the biggest problem. You don't have any line confidence and it looks very inconsistent. Wonky proportions can be forgiving to a point in gag comics but if the line work isn't good it can middle the drawing and really hurt the overall presentation.

>>4926634
Scott Robinson's book is there to teach you how to draw vehicles and landscapes in correct perspective without needing a crutch like blender. If this doesn't matter to you and you're into your art being compensation for the things you're unable to do, then sure, skip it.

>>4925793
No love

>>4922008
>>4922060
>>4924699
>>4924897
Another without using a reference. I hadn't planned ahead so I don't really know what I have him doing here, maybe trying not to step on something sharp. I have trouble visualizing exactly what I want before I start drawing

How is this for a head/face, so far?

>>4926844
i can feel the soul

>>4926752
This isn't funny and your art is shit

>>4926792
The biggest issue I can see is the mouth. Look at how close it is to the base of the chin on the photo and compare with the one on the drawing. Also notice that his head is tilting down on the photo so the features should be lower overall.

For the shading try focusing on the big shapes of shadows first instead of trying to do everything. What I find helpful is to pump the contrast up a lot so they are more visible.

How do I learn anatomy?
What books or video tutorials do I use?
I've tried hampton but he just sort of gives up on teaching you step by step after the upper body and just shoves it in your face and tells you to remember it.
Do i just draw muscles over and over until I get it?I think i remember somebody telling me to group them but I'm not sure how to go about that.

>>4926844
>>4924699
I like the ones from imagination much better.

>>4922108

>>4926928
this is from 2 months ago, just btw

are you automatically not /beg/ when you decide to start drawing cartoons

>normal art account
>0-2 likes per post, 13 followers
>fetish account
>50-90 likes per post, almost 100 followers

why do people have no standards when it comes to fetishes?

>>4927052
twitter isn't a good place for art, its a bad porn website

>>4927060
Where's a better place to post normal art?

How the fuck do you study light and shadow? Do you just use a reference for it every single different photo? What if the angle changes and it changes all the shadows and how they wrap around the characters?

>>4925291
>>4922327
>>4922259
is this looking any better?

>>4926879
>>4926926
Thanks anons, me too. He doesn't look half bad colored in Gimp either. When I'm directly copying someone else's drawings, I get hung up on small inconsequential details instead of making something myself.

>>4927174
this is why form is important.

form informs your shadows and highlights.

>>4920423
your basics are lacking. The drawing you posted isn't bad, but every part of it could be better. Study the fundies, and keep applying them, and you'll end up with elevated drawings. And repeat

creb

Did some concept drawing of a charactar. I know it looks like Kiman, but it is not Kiman.

Can somebody please give me a backup link to the brent eviston files? Im a super fucking retard and thought it won't get deleted and now im stuck and really wanted to continue to the rendering part. Also drew pic related after 1 month of not drawing due to studies.

Stop scrolling 4chan and draw.

NOW.

no

Am I retarded if I use fingers for life drawing instead of pencils? I can angle my thumb and fingers in such a way it makes it easier to measure certain angles.

10 pages done, 40 more to go

I think I’m starting to understand

>>4927691

>>4927205
youre polishing a turd here. chock this one up to experience and put it away forever. then keep on working. the more pieces you do the better, at this point youre not gaining anything wasting time on this. i never want to see this pic again anon

Some construction/anatomy. I should probably stop drawing so lightly, it makes it really blurry in the pics but there you go.

https://imgur.com/a/quHrQm3

>>4927623
Well fuck it im gonna render it myself.

Took a graphic tablet in my hands for the first time in two years. Wasn't aiming at making it look pretty, mostly point out general flaws and rate the anatomy

>draw something as practice
>its sort of decent or so it appears at the time
>get too excited about it and have to waste some time to calm down and be able to draw again
>it wasnt that good in the first place
Help

Doing some progress i feel like

I think what I enjoy most of all in drawing is making up characters and creatures.

What would you guys advice to focus on the most if I wanna get better at designing and drawing characters?

I’ve been doodling since I was a small kid never learning any proper theory but right now I’d really like to take this to the next level. So far I’ve been going through the first Drawabox lesson, just got to the 250 boxes thing.

>>4928191
>just got to the 250 boxes thing.
you shouldn't do more of drawabox after this.

>>4928191
how to design characters? ill agree to it being fun but it's a bit hard

>>4928197
Why? What should I do then?

>>4927989
okay whats wrong with it

>>4922098
post refernce please

>>4927870
are you using a ruler on the boxes themselves?

>>4927604
Second character.

>>4928359
No, cubes are free hand. The ruler is to extend the lines once a page is done and see how much you messed up.

I am using this site that gives me random poses that I draw one by one
Any criticism?
First thing I notice is that the face isn't exactly aligned as in the image

>>4928446
you tipped the whole thing slightly and killed all the overlaps. on ref left shoulder overlaps face, upper right, left obliques overlap lats, left pec overlaps armpit, etc etc through the whole picture, making you lose depth.
also gay

>>4928467
>upper right,
upper right arm and pillow

>>4928474
i mean left, fuck it, way past bump limit anyway

>>4928467
No can do, quickposes gave me the image and I'm drawing it, here's my next task

is she cute anons

>>4928186
i hate the second phase even more
>spot something that might fix it
>now too attached to risk making it worse

>>4927564
cute

new

>>4928702
>>4928702
>>4928702

>>4926752
it is not clear if you are criticizing the modern political discourse or praising it. I assume that you are criticizing it, but by the way it is worded and framed I can't tell. because it is the exact same format that people use to tell others that they have wrong opinion

>>4927604
that armor is too noisy; think big medium small anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluGXgpdJj4

>>4927691
B-but today is my shitpost day!

do you know how i can learn how to draw a gas mask

Really liked how the faces,clothes turned out,just need to finish the bottom part and the scarf,I liked the hair of the girl more but it feels something is missing,especially the boy's,them just need to do the bg and finish the rendering