/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

ref

>>4911884
no.

>>4911884
>if you are /beg/ Don't ever give advice.
if the person has an incorrect understanding of something and they give advice on that subject, at least their incorrect understanding is revealed. this is better than if they keep dont say anything, are never challenged and think that they are right for the rest of their life
>replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice
this advice is about as helpful as telling the other person to 'get better'. the person giving the advice, finding the work unappealing but dont know what specifically is wrong, vaguely gesture towards the sticky. the criticizer doesnt reveal any understanding of anatomy/color/composition etc, and the person being criticised wont know either. it's less than useless

>>4911907
So the person asking shouldn't study the sticky on their own like everyone else? What the fuck makes you so special that you think you're above reading the sticky?

Is this a beg thread of a true beg thread? There seems to be a distinction these days.

>>4911907
if you can not be bothered to put in the sightless bit of effort such as reading the sticky and STARTING fundamental ( no not being a god at them but at least proving youre committed) then you dont deserve any feedback, wtf can we say when people post pic related? theres a certain level of beg thats just so bad that it really does just come down to go learn fundies"

I think I'm, about, 90% done. How far have I gone astray?

How do I stop making sketchy lines in digital art?

>>4911952
just make a new layer and go over it? or just do one line? you just stop doing sketchy lines...

wanted to have some fun and randomly generated some characters to draw. I struggle to polish anything i make - I really have a hard time using the pen tool to make lineart that doesnt look like shit, so i normally stick to the pencil. If anyone has resources for getting better lines id appreciate it.

First drawing after a week off.

Hampton week 5, lower torso anatomy.

>>4911993
Second one.

>>4911947
learn how to draw hands and feet

>>4911942
>expertly uses primary colors to their maximum potential
>pushing crayons to their utmost limits
jealous as fuck

>>4911884
Hehehe fuck you I'll give advice anyway you can't stop me!

>>4911947
you're over thinking it, pointless since your values aren't that convincing, and you're a little weak on the feet structure, which doesn't look very appealing. Overall it's pretty nice though and a good effort and learning experience, you will do even better next time

>>4911962
Your line quality looks ok to me, colors seem a bit flat, but looks ok with this style. Beware of accidentally drawing things that look like other things...pic related

>>4911911
i never said that the person shouldn't study the sticky. i said the act of telling a person "read the sticky" in response to posting their work doesn't really do anything

>>4911884
>if you are /beg/
>Don't ever give advice.
Fucking retard.

>>4912030
Lurk more

>>4911926
/beg/regationists are cringe

>>4912045
why give advice if you do not what youre talking about?

>>4912060
He's being literal to "win" by nitpicking " ever "

>>4911926
you're beg if you dont atleast have a decent to good level grasp of fundies. For example, the examples in the top right of this >>4911545 are beg until around 2013

>>4912061
huh? what's wrong with ever?

/INT/OIDS OUT OF MY GENERAL

>>4911947
Is he about to punch? It looks pretty damn cool.

>>4912049
you are a nigger for coming into a /beg/ thread to write paragraphs of pointless 'rules' to waste your and everyone's time instead of grinding your nigger boxes or whatever it is you do. i thought about it and if you are a good artist then the act of worming your way into this thread to post your little rules is an act of absolute niggerie and if you are a bad artist then you are just as much of a nigger. i hope you get raped by niggers

>>4912087
>he doesn't know what arnoldposting is
Lurk more.

>>4912087
the rules are literally so you him and everyone else doesn't waste their time

hes literally saying dont give advice if youre beg, read the sticky and dont post some shitty doodle vaguely asking for help

what is the issue here? everything he says is true and will help this general of tards saying NOT BEG whilst they post shit like pic related
>>4911942

now fuck off back to pol

>>4912087
That wasn't even me you beglet lmao

>>4912019
>>4912075
Thanks for the tips. You're input is very helpful.

>>4911884
this pasta always makes me weep for what this general could have been and will never be.

>>4911997
the hip joints, the base of the purple abdomen muscle should be parallel to the edge of the pelvis box that you constructed. the corners of the rib cage and the nipples (unless affected by sag) should be parallel to the edge of the upper torso box. there's no point in constructing boxes if you don't use the parallel relationships they provide

>>4911962
After finishing your sketch, reduce the layer opacity to 30-40%, make a new layer on top of it, and very slowly and precisely go over the sketch with a pressure sensitive pen brush. Focus on drawing with long uninterrupted lines.

Also give your lines more thought. Looking at your work it is obvious that you are rushing with your drawing, at least with the line art. Take your time, put some thought on where the line should go, how it should be shaped and contoured.

>>4912128
Thank you! What should a typical pressure curve look like for my pen? When I normally use the pen tool it thins out to nothing every time i finish a line, which doesnt look very good. I understand the importance of varying line weight, but should i start my curve with a minimum of 50% size or something? Thanks again for the reply

>>4912214
I depends on the style you're going for. I personally like to keep my pressure sensitivity pretty "linear", while minimal pressure still keeping some thickness.

Just experiment with different settings, you'll know when you find the right one, because your lines will suddenly feel much smoother and meatier.

>>4911947
Something seems off. Like the legs or the feet. But overall, I think it looks stylish, anyway. Decent job.

Tried to start a coomer reference thread over in /s/ if anyone cares >>20113817

>>4912341
I guess I forgot how to link to another board

>>>20113817
>/s/thread/20113817

>>4912343
You need to include the board in the link somewhere, I forgot too but let's see

>>>/s/20113817

how to eyes?, i can never get them to feel like they wrap the ball

>>4911952
Anything?

>>4912367
post an example

>>4912369

>>4912370
whats wrong with thee lines? they seem clean to me? what do you mean by sketchy?

>>4912372
The pen is wobbly whenever I use it

>>4912381
this is too general of an issues for me to solve sorry, could be your hand or could be tablet, try looking up line stabiliser in your program to see if that fixes it or could just be the brush youre using im not sure sorry

>>4912384
I'm using this if that helps

>>4912387
yeha thats just pen pressure, have you tried using other brushes?

>>4912387
oh have you tried updating your driver for the tablet?

>>4912413
Just the pre-installed g-pen with stablizer at 20. Does using different brushes matter that much for lineart?

>>4912366
You're actually almost doing it, it's just a matter of positioning mostly as they look more crooked than anything. Don't fear eyes

>>4912438
i mean yeah a paint brush look slightly different than some pixel pen

>>4912446
i fear them too much anon, i freeze up every time i come to them and overthink it

>>4912438
not really for line art nah, I use hard round default csp pen and just alter size with pressure. lennon came out ok enough for me. brushes make a difference though during painting and working with values, but that can be a fun exploration experience

>>4912450
Most of the time it's the shit surrounding the eyes that matter more, I'm still beg but make sure your brow and keystone and eyebrows are at least appearing human and everything just clicks into place

>>4912461
>>4912450
Also depends on how realistic you're going for, again beg here but feel free to listen to someone else who may explain it better or draw them better. normally I just go for whatever feels right

>>4912366
you need more loomis in your life and ofc feel the form or just study anatomy for sculptors like any sane person, their eyes explanation is p gud

>>4912470
>>4912469
>>4912461
thanks lads

>>4912489
lookin better than last time

>>4912438
also please ditch any stabilizers bro lmao

This has been an incredibly shitty weekend. Go easy on me.

>>4912505
looks kind of cool despite missing anatomy and things being a little off, you would benefit from pencil or digital drawing to correct mistakes easier before the permanence of pen. that way you can at least chisel out a decent drawing which is good for your soul and in turn, good for your work ethic.

You have to be int to be beg.

>>4912511
I hate pen but a lot of people say to try it, and its pen month, so this is my try.

What anatomy is missing?

>>4912520
I love your drawings. They have tons of energy.

Do you use references for these or summon them from imagination? How long does it take you to make a sketch like this?

>>4912497
Wait, why?

>>4911884
this should be on the OP

>>4912545
I know the crutch meme is thrown around a lot but it is actually a crutch that will fuck with your line confidence and muscle memory especially with gauging force of movement for certain lines. Later on when those are not issues I suppose you could use it to go over a sketch, but I personally would leave it off. Doesn't truly matter in the end.

>>4912523
The horse legs and the hand that's drawing the string to name a few, also the proportion makes the person look like a dwarf, maybe you were going for an odd forshortening that doesn't really work at that angle

>>4912545
Also work on a bigger canvas or larger scale to expose your lack of anatomy knowledge to know what to study, it makes it harder to hide the shortcomings with vague scribbles like we all know is tempting to do. It also has an added benefit of making it easier to add finer details

other than the hands, is this good?

>>4912599
You shouldn't ask questions to answers you already know.

No.

>>4912520
you can't hide your lines forever

>>4912602
unfortunate

>>4912605
I don’t know what this means.
>>4912529
Thanks. Almost everything I’ve done has been from imagination. It’s a limitation of mine having not done any real life study and rarely using references.

>>4912599

>>4912588
>lack of anatomy knowledge
How do I fix this?

>>4912666
prookis

>>4912599
Not really. You're a beginner, and you're attempting drawings that are above your skill level. You clearly need more work in the basic building blocks of form, line, and anatomy.

KISS always applies: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Go back and draw more basic forms, work on line quality and confidence, and choose more simple poses and focus on each part of the body, and start working on anatomy. The small attempt at construction on the torso shows how lacking in any real knowledge of how the torso is constructed is pretty obvious.

Slow down. Go back to the beginning steps, work from there. Stop working on a transparent background, too, it's distracting to the eye.

>>4911947
It's not awful, but you have so much special effects crammed in there, that it's too distracting. Your values need a lot of work, as well, they make no sense overall.

>>4912366
You're drawing the opening of the lids on a plane that's different from the face. There's perspective there, very, small, but you're not indicating it. You should see a slight side contour of the left eye's eyelids at this angle, but you have the lines of the eyelids pointing out into space.

Also, you have two different sizes and shapes - our brains look at the eyes first, and we unconsciously know when they're not right. It's what cartoonists can use to give quick visual cues for a character, by making the eyes two different sizes and shapes.

Try a more "S" or serpentine line to wrap the edge of the lids around the eye.

How do I know when I’ve graduated from Beg?

>>4912666
just draw models or from life enough times, if you want to do this in a more structured way I recommend checking out Hampton lessons on gesture and figure drawing

>>4912722
When you stop hiding hands so hard, have a more focused and uniform source of light and when you stop ripping off old bluth/Disney styles. You'll still be beg though, that only ends when you make a living off your art

>>4912749
>and when you stop ripping off old bluth/Disney styles
Fine. I'll become more anime like the kids these days.

>>4912722
Why don't you ever finish these?>>4912757
There's nothing wrong with ripping off styles

>>4912764
That one IS finished. Unless we've different ideas of "finished." If you mean something like >>4912520
then I tend to get bored of the sketches and not continue with them. These days I'm trying to get more structurally sound sketches.

>>4912505
Was this drawn from a reference? Looks very interesting

>>4912757
>Fine. I'll become more anime like the kids these days.
Nevermind actually...disregard pls

>>4912722
>space ace

>>4912520
> kim possible

Pure imagination, huh...?

>>4912722
Proportions look good, you don't look /beg/ to me?

>>4911864
does this pig man have form?

>>4912807
enjoy

what technique could be used to make this?

>>4911864
Finished a request and was wondering what I can study to improve? I feel like I'm in a rut with my process. Rendering digitally and coloring seem to be my biggest issue from what I can tell.

Why are you afraid of drawing people?

>>4912489
Sweet clam

>>4912749
>You'll still be beg though, that only ends when you make a living off your art
???

>>4912855
Ask dumb questions etc

just kms honestly, its been 2 weeks or so since I've last drawn and I tried doing a front view from imagination. ngmi

>>4912906
Well, you've been drawing the same face for over a year. What did you expect? Improvement? lmao

>>4912924
desu I haven't been drawing in general.

>>4912722
stop fishing you stupid nigger

I would really like to start practicing on coloring and stuff, but I don't want to put the cart before the horse.

>>4912824
construct more animal faces before going to cartoony ones

>>4912951
>I would really like to start practicing on coloring and stuff, but I don't want to put the cart before the horse.
looks to flat in some areas and actually learn how folds in cloths are supposed to work
and you're just giving yourself a crutches by actively trying to "not do colors"
seriously dude shut the fuck up i hate your guts. you're just fishing

>>4912963
What is "fishing". I'm just trying to improve, honestly.

>>4912967
It's 4chan crabs, 95% of people here suck including me so they lash out.

>>4912963
Folds look fine to me dude. U sound mad.

>>4912968
4Chan crabs? Did I do something wrong? Am I posting in correct thread?

>>4912967
>What is "fishing". I'm just trying to improve, honestly.
then why are you specifically avoiding areas you want to improve idiot
you're more interested in showing something you can show off
i know your kind aren't here to help others. otherwise, we wouldn't have so many images without replies

WHAT flow and opacity to use for hard round brush?

>>4912970
>Folds look fine to me dude. U sound mad.
they're convincing but not accurate
they'd be 100% better if he actually bothered to learn how folds work

>>4912971
Passive aggressive cringe

>>4912972
Why would I move on to coloring, when apparently, I can't even draw folds right? What's the point of coloring if I'm trash at basic line art?

I'm not understanding the methodology or the hostility? Mayb I misunderstood what this place is about...

>>4912985
get out while you can bro

>>4912985
you're the one asking for crit posting here, so why are you crying

>>4912842
whats wrong with the skirt

>>4912985
You're overreacting to a couple of retards who probably can't draw and that seems disingenuous desu, was on your side til that gayness

>>4912985
if you know you're shit at line art why aren't you fixing it

>>4913005
?

I thought I was fixing it.

The hostility is on 10. I am so confused?

>>4913018
okay but why are you posting it here instead of your blog twitter

>>4912989
>>4912990
>>4913003
The hostility is on 10. I am so confused?

>>4913034
I don't have a blog or twitter

>>4913035
read the OP

>>4913037
then that's your issue
you're content with posting on generals for beginner artists instead of creating a portfolio

>>4913005
>>4913003
>>4912990
The hostility is on 10. I am so confused?

>>4912989
What website do you suggest for honest advise and input?

>>4913040
I'm not looking for recognition. I just wanted to share my art with the board.

>>4913041
>What website do you suggest for honest advise and input?
what was dishonest about my advice, are you asking for input or for someone to put your picture on the fridge and tell you that you did a good job
shut the fuck up dude. you're only here for yourself

>>4913045
>I'm not looking for recognition. I just wanted to share my art with the board.
who even are you
what is sharing your art on a fucking /beg/ thread

>>4913047
What advise did you give? Why are you just assuming all of this wild stuff ?

>>4913054
I ain't assuming shit, you're just fishing

>>4913047
Can't tell if that guy's serious, but you sound SUPER fuckin bitter. Who hurt you, dawg?

>>4912973
Depends on the “spacing” setting of the brush. Turning the spacing down keeps your lines from looking like a bunch of stamped circles but it makes it so you have to use VERY low flow values to easily do gradients.

Think of opacity as the MAXIMUM amount of color you can put down (if you set it to 50 you’d have to color the same spot twice to get 100% opacity). Flow is more of how many times you have to go over an area on a SINGLE stroke without picking up the pen to get to the opacity level (and again, it varies based on the “spacing” setting). I end up changing it around all the time when I draw to get different effects, so it’s hard to give a basic “start here” value and you’ll have to experiment.

>>4913063
the people get hurt once and act like its the end of the world don't understand what its like to feel helpless.

>>4913062
Oh, you're the fishing guy...

I post some line art up to see if I had to go back to the drawing board before tried coloring it... And you lost your mind. Bizarre.

How is it?

>>4913075
maybe you should trust your own instincts if its stuff you're accustomed to doing
you're specifically avoiding things you know you want to do but too much of a bitch to actually do it and post. why are you even talking about colors when you're not willing to do them? whats your problem?
now how is that not advice?

>>4912906
that's really cute. i like it.

>>4913076
What is this, a fossilised turd?

>>4913084
LMAO
its obviously a lighting exercise you fucking mog

>>4913078
>>4913078
Are you the "fishing" guy? I'm not coloring because I'm not going to polish a turd.

How to shade and imply volume?
>study that
Well im drawing for fun right now and i need to give some muscles definition

>>4913086
>>4913078
you're so desperate it's physically painful to see how much you crave validation

>>4913089
what's "volume"

>>4913091
Don't crave validation, just want to do things right. Just trying to improve.

>>4913096
make it look 3d

>>4913085
You should look up fossilised turds for lighting reference then.

>>4913097
you're just waiting for someone to tell you that your picture looks good
then you go on how you want to do colors and ain't doing shit
if you got problems in one place, how about pay attention to that instead of dreaming of other places
otherwise go to that next place cause you ain't saying shit about stuff that's not colors

>>4913106
Bro, are you retarded? It's okay.

>>4913111
i know you ain't here for anyone but yourself

>>4913106
?

>want to draw cartoons, start to learn by copying and imitating masters
>result always looks "off" somehow
Pic related reminds me of the main tails gets trolled pic that gets posted all the time

Stop making the lips, palms soles, noticably lighter than the skin its pretty cringe, and draws needless attention to the fact that the characters are black isnt required for anime. Also ignore that other bitter faggot you been arguiring with, there's been a fag two projecting into every semi competent piece /beg /for the last couple of day and wants them all to leave for some reason.

>>4913153
meant for>>4912951

>>4913148
Get the drawn to life book by walk stanchfield

>>4913084
pyw

>>4913163
Getting paid soon, so I will. I don't yet know how to make my drawings not so stiff looking, I don't even know exactly what it is about them that makes them so stiff and lifeless.

>>4911947
>>4912505
>>4912520
>>4912722
>>4912842
Not /beg/
>>>/out/

>>4913179
ENOUGH
FUCKING ENOUGH
you could be drawing, what if theyre not beg? what do you gain out of it? fucking hell just stop already
just draw

>>4913179
Can't imagine how fucking bad you are.

>ask a male artist for advice on how they achieve a certain style
>get a comprehensive answer
>ask a female artist for advice on how they achieve a certain style
>LOL IDKKKKK LIKE I JUST DRAWWWW AND IT HAPPENS

>>4913079
ty

>>4913041
I sense a language barrier, i thought you were being passive aggressive, I apologize. just pay no mind to anyone here

>>4913184
>tfw stylelet doing just random shit

Guys I'm trying to paint a bike and I just discovered motorcycles look like robot-monster faces.

>>4913233
yes

>>4913233
no

>>4913177
no gesture, lack of depth, lines that reek of effort. good cartoonist convey an awful lot with a couple """simple""" lines, and basically, you just need more mileage.

>>4912821
>>4912935
>>4912866
In a week I’ll be told I’m sub beg, too good for beg, NGMI, and a total retard (that was for trying to give some advice so I don’t give advice anymore). So I really don’t know what my skill level is or where I belong.

>>4913329
you know what you need to fix, you're just being lazy

Anyone have any practical advice on grinding Loomis head construction?

I realized I've just been copying for past few months and can't construct even a simplified face to save my ass. Copying from photos or other artwork I can at least check what went wrong, and for the rest of the body I can just add stuff on top of the initial gesture to some degree, but with faces I don't have a single clue where I keep fucking up since I don't have anything to compare it to. I've tried applying Loomis head to photo studies but the result always ends up being subpar compared to just directly comparing relations, contours, negative spaces, and the framework just feels like it's constantly in the way.

>>4913233
Heh, I'm clever

>>4913391
Construction is the biggest fucking meme. Don't even bother attempting construction until you are like 3 years deep into art. I will be swarmed by crabs for this post. Ignore my advice at your detriment. You'll just overcomplicate your drawing process and take 5x as long to draw the exact same poorly proportioned figure you were already going to draw anyway

>>4913420
Poster from above here, he's right. I mean if you watch a couple proko videos and images from google and understand the concept & principle from thinking and constructing in 3D, more power to you, but just understanding is enough.
Actually trying to do construction just makes me do stiff pieces that take extra hours and end up being just as bad as if I just free-handed them because I lack in all the other areas to make construction worth it

>>4913420
>>4913426
Enjoy your mediocrity after wasting countless into nothing.

>>4913426
>I mean if you watch a couple proko videos and images from google and understand the concept & principle from thinking and constructing in 3D, more power to you, but just understanding is enough.

I have begun to realise this as well, i learnt every plane in the face but when coming to drawing faces its not like i needed all the construction but understanding the face has construction was the biggest thing

>>4913420
how can you honestly say stuff like that? If you don't have construction then every thing you draw is gonna look flat and unappealing. Nearly every art class recommends learning gesture followed immediately by construction. You won't be able to do anything more than rote copying until you get the hang of it.

just trying out some tonal studies

Hows everyone doing?

>>4913496
Looking good,
but focus on the form,
you don't have to care about the hair, ect.
and don't make your drawing with so many scratches,
use more shapes, and figure out the shapes

>>4913480
>how can you honestly say stuff like that?
Because it's true.
> If you don't have construction then every thing you draw is gonna look flat and unappealing.
Construction is an important tool in the toolkit for advanced artists. Advanced.
>Nearly every art class recommends learning gesture followed immediately by construction
Art students are never day one, week one, month one, year one beginners. Art students are without exception people who have been drawing for their entire lives. And their classes are tailored accordingly.
>You won't be able to do anything more than rote copying until you get the hang of it.
You're only revealing yourself to be completely ignorant. Construction is required when drawing from imagination. Not copying,

This whole dialog is moot, trying to teach somoene construction is stupid. It's like Common Core and trying to force everyone to learn basic arithmetic shortcuts everyone with triple digit IQ figures out on their own anyway.

If you draw from imagination, and have triple digit IQ, you will eventually figure out some kind of "blocking in the form" or "construction" process. As a beginner you are already disadvantaged in 1000 different ways, trying to copy a professional artists construction method and forcing yourself to painstakingly replicate it for every figure you draw is just going to slow down your progress

You are a beginner. You are going to draw misshapen people with shitty proportions. You are going to do this 10,000 times before you draw half decent looking figures. So save yourself the time and dont introduce a needless extra step of some overcomplicated mannequin bullshit.

Most high level artists use barely any construction when drawing. Look how quickly vilppu turns a bean shape into a beautiful torso. This is simple but effective construction. When /ic/ tells begs to study construction they try to force /begs/ into making full body mannequins and hyper detailed featureless heads

>>4913497
That's pretty good

>>4913506
Thanks!

Shes from my bad webcomic!

>>4913504
The reason that vilppu can turn a bean shape into a beautiful torso is because he spent a huge amount of time internalizing those more complex constructions. That's a thing everyone has to do in order to draw figures properly.


>You're only revealing yourself to be completely ignorant. Construction is required when drawing from imagination. Not copying.
That's literally what I said you retard. Unless you want to copy shit from photos you need to understand construction.

anyway, reee reee ree pyw pyw pywpywpyw

>>4913504
>>4913514

whats going on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf_EiBRHV8

I would ink the legs differently, it looks like two different vantage points to me.

>>4911864

>>4913504
heh

>>4913521
Found an interview with the Authoress.
https://youtu.be/ygKUWMgRqYw?t=95

I get the feeling I made a fatal mistake with the legs, but I'm liking it so far besides that.
But now I need sleep, curse this human body AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I KNEEL, BASIC BIOLOGY

>>4913569
9:30 the Pentel brush pen y'say...

>>4913572
nice

>>4913337
Fuck you, cockmonger. Just because I'm not perfect doesn't mean I'm not improving.

>>4913572
cool and cute

>>4913524
Fan of your posts please don't be a furry

I'm still waiting for that anon to post his anus studies.

How to improve?

>>4912659
Kek

>>4913596
no it just means you're holding yourself back

>>4913644
learn how shadows actually work

why can't i improve

>>4913659
Take a break, fap to ThicciVelvet and then come back to drawing.

>>4913076
Really good. Thumbnail made me think someone posted a photo of a fossilized turd.

>>4913633
>Fan of your posts please don't be a furry
If u can't handle me at my worst then u don't deserve me at my best.

>>4913664
i tried to take a break this weekend visiting friends, but when there's any free moment or its late at night when i'm off to bed all i can think about is how i'm not improving and need to draw

>>4913497
WIP

Anyone know how to make the boobies have more depth

>>4913696
You've gotta take him literally.

My shit looks too off and flat how can I fix it?

>drawing is unrealistic
"That's ugly and not appealing"
>drawing is realistic
"Why not just take a photo?"

>>4913751
just because its unrealistic doesn't mean it can't be appealing

>>4913750
Work on feeling form with some simpler shapes and do more quick figure sketches to get a better sense of proportions. Perspective studies wouldn't hurt too.

Rip me a new one, am I on the right track?

>>4913759
yah

>>4913750
Arm too long, legs too short. Remember that in a neutral upright pose wrists should be level with the pubis and in a curled up position the knees should reach the armpits

>>4913759
you're to stressed, these are just heads

we can work it out

>>4913729

>>4913780
you gotta work out how to place her right eye

>>4913906
the apron is overly rendered in comparison to the rest so its sticks out

I'm very early into learning art. Most of my studies still revolve around figuring out perspective and being able to draw basic shapes.
I've been told to not spend 100% of my time on studies though and regularly just draw for fun. I'm struggling with this a little, because all of my fun drawings look like shit (for obvious reasons) and I often struggle to come up with ideas to draw. Anyone got advice?

>>4913759
Seriously great.

Make sure your centerlines are running right to the middle of the chin. Other than that most of them are great. You're definitely ready to add features, use them to make art etc. but definitely don't stop doing studies like this until you're getting practically all of them just right.

>>4913950
>I often struggle to come up with ideas to draw
draw what you see and make it as easy as possible to start drawing when you see something you want to draw.

>>4913496
These are messy (and I don't just mean the scribbly shading).

Values are ALL over the place. Areas that would be best simplified as 1 value contain 2-3.

1st, clean up your work. Either do tidy hatching, or just fill your shapes with solid values. If you don't want to put in the time to do it, you should pick something besides value studies, because consistent tones are critical to getting anything from it.

Start with 2 values only (you can make one white, one dark grey). Draw the model, and focus on simplifying shapes that you see. For each "light" shape, don't fill it in. Fill all the "dark" shapes with the same tone (where that boundary lies is up to you but squinting so that everything becomes dark / light shapes will help you decide).

Once you can do them tidy, step up to 3 values (add a lighter grey in between the dark grey and white, OR go black grey white).

How come nostrils make the whole face uglier just by adding them?

>>4913906

>>4914009
They need to be drawn subtly, similar to facial wrinkles, veins under skin, fingernails etc.

You can't exactly omit them in a realistic drawing but you can be careful not to make them solid black holes and use careful shape design to keep them from drawing the eye.

>>4914009
cause they're giant splotches of tone that stick out way too much if the rest of the face is mostly or completely unrendered

good luck in your drawings today anons

>>4913652
What, am I Captain Marvel, now? Fuck you and fuck yo mama! And fuck Brie Larson.

>>4914009
You're drawing them wrong.

The darkest part of the nostril should not be on the very bottom of the nose, ever.

Draw the nose, not the nostrils.

>>4914009

>>4914024
it's important to note that the horizontal stretch lines you see on boobs are due to the boobs pushing the side fabric to the left and right, causing horizontal tension. aprons only cover the front and don't have a side, so this tension actually doesn't happen

>>4914051
none of these are mistakes its all just a stylistic preference

>>4914056
That can be argued for literally anything. Only in extremely peripheral styles would those not be considered poorly designed nostrils.

>>4913750
His midsection is too short.
Look up proprotion diagrams and compare.

>>4913750
As others have mentioned, arm too long, legs too short. The arm may be a robotic part of the design so I can forgive that if so, but measure from the head to the crotch. That same distance again should be the heels (and the thickness of the boots would make them look even longer).

>>4911864
Give it to me straight. How bad is it? I think his eyes are too far apart. Is it at least recognizable?

>>4914114
They're approximate in terms of distance from eachother (one eye between them) but the right eye is stretched. See how much wider it is than the left?

I'd draw bigger if I were you, this is too much detail to try to cram into so small a space if I'm right in my guess of how big it is.

Is it Wesley Snipes?

>>4914114
Cool. I like those core shadows.

posting work

>>4914140

>>4914051
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>4914140
what in the fuck is going on with your proportions and perspective? Try atleast doing minimal construction.

>>4914189
I'm aware. I'll have to start implementing construction into my work flow.

>>4914231
But I also love drawing giant hands and monkey arms so those aren't going away any time soon

How do i paint faces without reference? I'm starting to think that i have some from of brain damage.
Can someone please redline this for me?

>>4914237
You need to know the rules in order to break them.

FUCK EVERYTHING

>>4911993
>>4911997
Ah, too bad you still need a lot more practice. I don't want to point out specific flaws as there's just a little too many.

Keep grinding though, wish I had a work ethic like that (at least you sound like you (want to) work hard).

>>4914264
reference for this one. i wanna die

>>4914181
Sweet deal lets see your line interpretation of that nose picture, show us whatcha got.

>>4914268
>>4914264
I mean you're off but not by that much. With the face it's just that "the millimeters" make or break a face. In other words, the line between a face that works and one that doesn't regarding the ratios, that line is *very* fine.

Keep grinding though.

>>4913906
Your coloring seems so fearful and sterile. Go ahead and use darker shades and richer colors, the rendering n the apron is okay but suffers from the same problem. It is just too bright and it pops out way too much becasue the rest of the picture is kind of sterile.

Go ahead and push the saturation of those colors and add more shadows.

>>4914249
NOT /BEG/!

>>4914252
I mean you're right, but I'm also very impatient.

>>4914249

>>4914249

I recently started posting fetish art and it got a little bit of traction, far more than the /beg/ scribbles ive made. Ive had someone ask me to do a request - is it worth taking requests and stuff for networking purposes? I dont feel good enough to charge for stuff, but i also feel weird about doing art for some random guy for free.

>>4914264
Do you actually want advice or not? Don't say you do unless you actually plan to take it and try to get better.

>>4914305
>is it worth taking requests and stuff for networking purposes?
? how is this a question, guys do i take money duhhh

>>4914294
>>4914249
further enhancements

>>4914303
Thank you mate. Also, what about the reflected light/ back light? It doesn't really make sense does it? I have a hard time visualizing planes in my head.

>>4914282
I'm actually a beginner. I've painted for less then a year.

>>4914249
Drawing that without a reference, that is just amazing Anon! All I can suggest is that the proportions are a off but otherwise I can't really say anything more

>>4914315
requests, not commissions

>>4914264
At this point you're just making like a cartoon version of the references you pick. Very disappointing, you don't listen to anybody who cares about giving you a critique or a different point of view.
You should quit posting your work altogether in order to improve because at this point you're here posting just for the amount of (you)s you might get and not to become a better artist.

>>4914305
If someone is ready to pay, you're good enough to take money. Period.

As for freebies for networking, no. You can make your own portfolio stuff to show off for samples, and if you get a killer request that you think would be great in your portfolio, fine do it. But don't think of it as networking because nobody will ever jerk off to your art and then tell a friend "Hey I jerk off to this weird shit, come pay money and this guy will draw that shit for you too".

>>4914326
Thank you, I've not painted a lot earlier but i used to draw a lot many years ago.

>>4914318
Thanks again. How about the skin tone, is it too reddish?

>>4914333
Thats absolutely stellar advice - thank you on both counts anon

I hope you all die having not made it.

>>4914231
>>4914140
>>4914145
I think your work is very interesting and I'd like to know what is your approach for these because I feel like you're capable of doing better but you're experimenting with perspective.

>>4914336
>How about the skin tone, is it too reddish

the thing about skin tone is that humans have such a huge variety that you cant go wrong, where you have to go right though is in values, as long as the colours work together you can make a human blue and it can look find it the values aee

>>4914310
You people told me to work on my construction and shading. That's what I'm trying to do.

>>4914332
get fucked

>>4914332
What's your problem you stupid crab? Fuck off.

>>4914264
Not bad. Darken the shadows.

>>4914324
You've done an ok job at a "rim light" where it's really RIGHT on the edge, but that doesn't add a lot of depth, it just pops the head out from the background. To get it right you need to imagine a light shining from behind and to the side of the head in such a way that it interacts with the face and makes more than just the very very edge light up.

Look up "zvork" and also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA7mFUWlZjU (which you'll have to slow down and pause at the right time).

A real "back light" illuminates some of the volume of the face (based on planes, as you supposed). If planes are an issue, Asaro head is a pretty good start, but before you run out and buy one, give this virtual one a shot: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/asaro-head-9d26548182f8465a8e97371a9170561e

>>4914348
>I'd like to know what is your approach for these
In what way exactly?
>I feel like you're capable of doing better but you're experimenting with perspective
Correct and thank you, I like to think the same as well.

>>4914114
Who cares if the eyes are too far apart the different strokes you used in order to create the different tones of black are fantastical.
This is so good that I'm even willing to ignore the fact that you didn't even resize your image. Good Job man.

>>4914355
Normally I'd be with you, but if this is who I think it is this dude posts several drawings a day like "FUCK THIS" "I HATE MYSELF" "HOW CAN I IMPROVE?" and then never, ever changes process or even replies to the people that reply to him.

>>4914354
>>4914355
I'm not sure which one of you is the guy who made the original post (if it's even one you) but this is why you don't make progress, each thread you make the same mistakes and you don't make a conscious effort to improve you just post whatever shit you just draw in order to get replies.
Do yourself a favor and stop posting, do what people tell you in order to improve or even start studying how to actually fucking draw because it's the same story with you each thread.

>>4914351
Its good that you're working on construction and shading anon, but can you try a few slower ones? Maybe do the construction and post THAT so that it can be commented on before you proceed, and then take the time to be really tidy with your art? This has every appearance of a rushed drawing and I think you could improve dramatically by just taking your time and being neat.

>>4914360
I really really like your forms even if some of them aren't accurate they give me sort of a Steve Huston vibe.
Do you have a blog or can you post a finished work?

I've failed again, forgive me. I must say, during a week or so I stopped drawing but I'm lost now.
>>4914114
>>4914360
Incredible drawings

>>4914417
I'm now doing Dynamic Sketching but lost on the requirements to up a lesson, so far when it comes to drawing I've been horribly inefficient with my progress, I don't think my lines are confident enough to justify all the pages of fundamentals, not only that but I'm a coward when it comes to subjects, help me /ic/

>>4914417
Oh, what a horrible drawing, how can I dare to share this with the world, my fellow artists, can I even call myself one?

>>4914359
>Look up "zvork"
Thanks, looks super useful. I've been looking for something like this but i can't be bothered to learn a real 3d program to make these myself.

>>4914417
The product of a soulless yet unskilled machine, I can't feel neither talent nor warmth on this artwork.

>>4914422
Sorry I forgot my pic

I must be honest, it wasn't a week, more like a month or close to it of not drawing due to failure.
>>4914431
I'm being insulted now
>>4914431
>>4914417
mocked and insulted, yet another person looks down on me

>>4914431
ARE YOU MOCKING ME ANON? CALLING ME TALENTLESS TRASH? I LOATHE YOUR BEING

>>4914433
GTFO SCHIZO

>>4914436
I'LL HAMMER YOUR KNEECAPS
give me fair criticism or face the creature of pulse

>>4914439
>give me fair criticism
Master Perspective
done

>>4914442
ahhh, yes
I imagine dynamic sketching will help me do that then

>>4914445
Schizo Did you finish the Eviston course and the Keys to drawing?
Or did you give up? KEK

>>4914377
>>4914366
He's drawing. Quit bitching. If you're talking about yellow paper portrait guy, he draws a ton and good for him. It's encouraging to see somebody working so hard

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>>4914501
>>4914501
>>4914501

>>4914386
Your reply made me finally create that pixiv account, so there's that. Telefonmann.
I'm very bad at finishing stuff, I just kind of lose motivation, so I can't really post much.
>Steve Huston vibe
I did not expect such compliments oh wow

>>4913919
>>4914024
>>4914278


Thank you boys, coloring/rendering is my weakest point

I have been practicing applying tone/value into forms or simplified anatomy.
How am I doing so far what do I need to work on ?

>you won't draw a forearm, while working with me you can't draw a forearm
>even if you turn this off, you still can't draw a forearm
you ever got bantered by a course? i'm gonna stick with this guy, i like his spirit
you ever had a bruh moment with course?

Any opinions or advices?