/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Where can I get an art gf to live in the woods with?

Bampu

First time animating. I know it’s not very good. But I’m excited to keep trying on the side. Gotta learn how to turn her. And really everything else.

I love animation, but I hate anything that's "made with kids in mind" And that's like 99% of the jobs where I live (south america).
Every job offer I come across is nothing but people trying to replicate cartoon network.

I'm studying animation at local university I enjoy it, sure, but what should I do once I finish it if I want to avoid "the west cartoon" mentality.?

Opened up one of my old animations, bumped up the framerate to 48FPS, and then did a bunch of manual inbetweening. high FPS 2D animation might appease the virgin gamer market, but economically it doesn't make sense to work with such high framerates. this took way too long and doesn't even add anything to the animation other than 2x more frames. the only thing that higher FPS 2D animation seems to have going for it is the wow factor.
was a fun exercise tho, ive always wanted to see what it'd look like if 48FPS was done by hand without any interpolation distortion and weird parallax artifacts.

>>4861326
get N1+ level of japanese and try to apply to places in japan ?

>>4861406
When they fix the low pay high hours of work issue you can bet I will.

>>4861326
Sorry to say dude, but you're gonna have to take jobs that you probably wont enjoy when you're trying to break into the animation industry. Nobody started off their careers sprinting out of the gate, and you shouldn't take people's success as something that came to them instantly. Always assuming that the gritty adult animation jobs are even out there or that they will somehow come to you, locks you out of the industry entirely.
Avoiding work because you hate anything that's "made with kids in mind" is gonna yield you some pretty poor results in finding a job in general, be it from you local animation industry, the American industry, or the anime industry.
If you really got into this profession because you love animation, now is the time to suck it up put in the work.

Should I feel the movement like how I should feel the form?

>>4861849
Hot. I wish 3d animation didn't went mainstream

>>4861849
Anyone know if those timing charts are there to help the animator work or solely for the clean up artist who comes next? Ive never been sure on this. Like do they do the whole animation them at the end draw the charts or are the charts part of the process in roughing it out?

>>4861326
Apply in euro studios, idk.

it's very choppy

>>4862483
I'm stealing this as a reaction gif

>>4862483
RIP in peaces, my friend

>>4862483
Cute!

>>4861326
Why don't you make your own stories and animations and upload them? If you're not willing to move or do something that you're not comfy with then that's your only choice...

...unless you're just bad and can't draw something on model or set up a rig

Sorry missed the last thread but so 2 3 years for a feature film? Thata not too bad, if its good it should gets lots of attention right?

Does anyone know any good ToonBoom Harmony tutorials? I just started and the UI looks so confusing.

Flash has a lot of tutorials and I'm sorta getting it but its brush is so god awful. Fuck I just might use ClipStudio out of frustration

>>4862898
You sound naive. Before that you should make some shorts

Animating hobby since feb. Don't have animator friends so I am wondering how I can improve. This clip I make yesterday.

how?

Working on this now.

>>4863033
Have sex.

>>4863182

>>4863180
Goodness, no wonder she (I forgot the name of the one on the left) always looked like she reminded me of someone.
Great Wuya drawing by the way

>>4862483
Cute. Blog?

>>4863195
Thanks anon!

>>4863033
I feel like the worm thing was made with a 3d base

>>4863033
>Weilin Zhang
Insane amount of practicing the fundamentals of animation first. The man used to animate only with stick figures and basic anatomy early on. Using basic software like Pivot and Flash, he just got in tune with actually animating instead of being hung up with learning art fundamentals at the same time. He got insanely good at animating, and as the years went by he finally started to pick up proper drawing fundamentals and started to apply them to his work. He puts animation before illustrating, just like James Baxter. Animation, acting, motion, and emotion all come first; then your pretty drawings come last.
Treating animation like hundreds of illustrations will make your work stiff and uninspired. Your poses will look boring and too rigid, and your actual animation quality will definitely suffer the more you focus on making your illustrations look nice. By putting your animation ideologies before your skills as an artist, your work will always come out more dynamic and interesting than if you spent hundreds of hours perfecting every single frame as if they were illustrations. This is the reason why most industry animators can get a 15 second rough cut done per-day and keep going. Illustrators can spend hours on a single drawing, animators can spend the same amount of time on an entire action consisting of dozens of drawings.
Weilin Zhang is a good example of high technical skill in both animation and illustration, but his skills as an animator come from the fact that he prioritized learning animation before he started to take art very seriously. Now that he's also an incredibly talented artist, he's basically unstoppable with what he can do.

In order to become a great animator, understand that the actual skill you gain as an animator will always outweigh everything you learn with art fundamentals. Studying your art fundamentals can always come later, but always remember that animation is NOT illustrating.

>>4863777
This, Mostly.
>>4863033
The twelve principles of animation are everything. After that, it's nothing but polish.
To get to this level in particular, I'd assume you have to have a ridiculously solid grasp of figure drawing, perspective, cinematography, and timing. To do that, you probably have to watch a lot of fights across anime and old style kung fu films. Although the flying spike dragons look to be in 3d, the a angle the artist uses lines up really well.

Spencer Wan is handsome
https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/1303801615024115714

>>4863180
Best quality I could upload with. Feeling pretty proud. I would have dedicated more time to it but the contest is raging on right now. Gonna call it here.

>>4863033
I've never been big these "sakuga" demo animations that you see a lot on twitter.
Like yeah I get it, it's impressive on a technical level but they all feel so homogeneous while having that similar "look at me mommy I'm literally japanese" vibe.
It's like the 2D animation equivalent of those large LOTR/Avengers battle set pieces, so much going on but man I could not be any less engaged.
I guess it's just a personal thing but I've always found these to be very gaudy and shallow, I also felt the same way towards stick fights when I was a kid.
/blog

>>4864707
it's the overuse of vfx, yutapon cubes and naruto-esque fight scenes

>>4858690
How do I install TVPaint for mac? i tried using Wine but it keeps on crashing.

>>4863033
>>4863704
The smoke thing was definitely 3dcgi

>>4864652
>but the contest is raging on right now
Which contest?

>>4865549
they have a mac version. i guess you mean prated though? cant help you there, maybe you can pirate the .dmg of it

>>4865586
it wasnt, the body was just smoothly inbetweened. but i can see how it would give that impression

>>4863777
>>4863777
>>4863777
>>4863777
>>4863777
These lucky rips speaks the fucking truth. If you're actually serious about wanting to learn animation and don't know where to start read this

>>4863730
Do you ever do something other than short roughs?

>>4865549
there's a mac version tvpaint 10 floating around, it's clunky compared to tvpaint 11 though.

i've paid for tvpaint 11 and it's buggy as hell on any update after mojave, bugs that the team have been aware of since 2018 but haven't managed to fix, and i'm pretty sure they're abandoning ship on tvpaint 11.

they are in the works of releasing tvpaint 12 sometime soon, still a kick in the balls considering how expensive the software is, and it's going to be a paid update

>>4865988
>they are in the works of releasing tvpaint 12 sometime soon, still a kick in the balls considering how expensive the software is, and it's going to be a paid update
I'm pretty sure the team just left to work on UE4.

>>4866243
huh really? where did you hear that? That would suck if TVP development dies completely

>>4866259
French professional animators said it during a recent obscure stream (The news isn't officially out yet)
It honeslty sucks but then again 11 is good enough until someone another softwares comes to top (Clip studio pain EX is eyed by many pros, a future version of it could be industry standard)

>>4866378
what about grease pencil? it's free and vector based. the 3d implementation also shows potential.

>>4866463
why on earth would vector be seen as a selling point? also grease pencil requires significantly more computer power to function well compared to other animation programs

>>4863777
good insight

>>4864707
exactly the same feelings about 'sakuga' here, when in animation you can create anything, so many animators go to the same homogenous overdone actions, mostly to show off how well they can animate. absolutely no originality, just technical masturbation at that point, but i suppose it's also a fault of the industry.

(inb4 that's how you get an anime job, i don't care, just because it's a part of trying to get into the industry, it doesn't make the shots any more interesting, i'd argue it makes it worse)

>>4867443
How many hours did he look at tits jiggling to make this?

>>4863033
practice

>>4865988
>they are in the works of releasing tvpaint 12 sometime soon
link to news on this? i'm not seeing anything

>>4867516
they've mentioned it on their forums. Annoying of them to say they plan to support the software when they've been ignoring a common software breaking bug for the past 2+ years

>>4867443
I'm so fucking horny.

>>4864729
>>4864707
I love these clips because they're pretty inspiring but you're definitely right about how many trends/tropes are in some of the sakuga scenes you see on twitter

>>4867589
ngl the fight scenes are really good but I'm so tired of seeing the same-ish thing. I prefer the cutesy looping animations i see on twitter

>>4864257
sad that he's gay tho

>>4864707
I'm sick of sakuga fight animations too. It's so generic and uninteresting. But I guess kids are easily hooked by flashy stuff

I want to try my hand at animating so I made this to get familiar with animation in CSP.
I've never done animation so I wasn't sure what to expect but jumping in blind was actually pretty useful, I've learned a lot of things that I'll keep in mind for the next. Most notably:

- Be more precise with my sketches so as not to guess so much when doing my linework. If I had kept in mind 3d forms when sketching and stayed clean the lineart would've been a breaze.
- I should've probably put down 2 or 3 key poses and then inbetween, the way I animated here was just go frame by frame without any idea of where I was going.
- Bigger canvas would've helped with keeping flats clean.

I'm not going to work on it any more because it would be wasting time polishing a turd, but I have a good idea of what to work on next.

>>4868052
cringe

>>4868052
goodluck brother

>>4858690
WIP shes jumping rope boing boing boing
CSP is getting easier to use. i just dont know the short cuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc-Q9hL-vQU

How do they animate bicycles and other vehicles? Are they drawing them out by hand??? Do they usually use 3d models?

Or maybe I just fucking suck at drawing. It took me 15 min to sketch out pic related, and its still wonky as hell

I guess we're all animating milkers right now

>>4869028
24fps version

>>4869019
simple shapes for the roughs, basically two circles, then they slowly add the detail not with each frame but with each pass-through.

>>4858690
Quick Sakuga Breakdown

>>4865730
my attention span is pretty bad

>>4868992

>>4869755
is it actually tweened w/keyframes or transformed frame by frame?

>>4858690
Might be a stupid question but my local community college offers a course in 2D animation, I would receive an associates. My goal is to work in the animation industry someday, but I’ve mostly been focusing on visdev, and I feel I should expand my skill set. Should I go for it anons? I'm mostly asking because I'm unsure how much an associates would help me in building those kinds of skills, but it seems extremely tempting... not even my state university offers any sort of degree for animation

>>4869844
Its actually smoothed out with the dain app so yea im "cheating". the original is 24 frames

>>4869844
Its actually smoothed out with the dain app so yea im "cheating". the original is frame by frame 24fps

>>4870038
>>4869755
the overlapping action of the tits and hair doesn't work

>>4870055
its my first animation what does that mean?

How do you feel about The Animator's Survival Kit by Richard Williams?

>>4870198
outdated and full of bullshit old practices and boomer retardation. you're 100% better off just looking through youtube tutorials on the 7 principals, unless you want to learn outdated concepts in an ugly style that no-one wants

>>4870198
He puts it bluntly but I gotta agree with this anon >>4870254
I've never been a fan of William's style and how he insists on animating everything on 1s.

>>4870198

i stopped reading his sanctimonious boring ass memoirs here, there's so much bloat vs valuable information in the book, everything you actually need to know could be taught in a 5 page booklet

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=overlapping+action+in+animation

>>4870266
>>4870066

>>4869028
>>4869032
neat, 24fps looks better because of the timing and spacing. it looked too floaty on 2s
btw, what did you animate with?

>>4870254
>in an ugly style
>literally old disney-style animation
Yep, you're a retarded weeb alright.

It might not be appropriate for every situation, but that style of animation remains timeless, no matter how much idiots like you cannot accept it.

Please don't kill yourself, friend.
There's much more to life than just being good at animation.

>>4870337
I'm not gonna kill myself, I just wish I were already dead.

>>4870323

i'm sorry but did i legit hear you say richard williams style is timeless? on what planet is this ugly shit timeless?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsTnUDhONp4


and yes i'm also referring to the old disney style, it's tired and overdone, just because it was pulled off with good technique, doesn't make it timeless. you must be a boomer, i feel sad for your aged taste in art, i hope to fuck i never get so stuck in my time.

>>4870289
Thanks. I'm still trying to tinker with the timing of this.
I'm using CSP and it's been pretty good for raster animation.

>>4870346
but muh nine old men

>>4870346
Why do worthless morons like yourself talk like you're worth shit?

You're worthless, and you will never animate anything that looks even 1/100th as good as the video you posted.

>>4870440

stay angry boomer, there's a difference between recognising skill and recognising that something is aged and would never take off successfully in a current time when certain styles have been exhausted and standards have risen. We aren't in the early 2000's any more buddy.

>>4870484
What is it about "you're a worthless moron" you have difficulty grasping?

Again, you will never animate anything even 1/100th as good as that video.

>>4870485

you know, having high standards is a good thing for personal growth. if you can't critique things that are above your level, you're most likely going to grow into something that is technically good, but completely un-marketable. Hence, you should probably start to critique the 'taste' of the work, regardless of the technique.

though something tells me you're going to call me a moron again, boomers do tend to have an aversion to anything that goes against their pre-existing ideologies

>>4870496
You objectively are a moron, because you're labeling something shit that is far better than anything trash like yourself will ever be capable of. That's literally the mark of a bitter moron.

>>4870498
i'm cringing so hard for you right now

>>4870038
>smoothed out with the dain app
do it manual or don't do it at all >>4861398

The action on the hair, arms, tits, and body don't make sense at all. The poses you picked are WAY too stiff, which makes the horizontal jittering really obvious. The motion of the individual hair pieces shouldn't be trying to wrap up as the character STARTS going down, it should be just as the character is at the height of their bounce. The arms just suddenly jump into another pose entirely for no reason at all. I get you were probably trying to add some bit of secondary action but the sudden pose change doesn't make sense. The body also just stops all of the vertical momentum as it hits the base of the jump, as if this character is just some gross gelatin slab bouncing on a table.
You're trying too hard to make your drawings look decent, whereas you barely even know how to do basic animation fundamentals. You're not a very good artist, so quit practicing with complex character designs and do this kinda shit with stick figures before you start getting too confident. Worry about all your pretty drawings later when you know a little bit more about animating.
Put down the coomer bullshit as well, practice before you start beating off.

>>4870254
>>4870346
>>4870484
>>4870496
>high standards
>didney and RWilliams sux
>"critiquing" and 'taste'
Why don't you just admit you obsess over generic anime already. We're talking solely about the animation, and if you don't respect the animation, then you have no reason being here. You're not being an intellectual right now if that's what you're thinking of yourself. I'm kinda impressed that you somehow believe that you think that your words even hold any weight, because I haven't seen you post your mediocre animations yet. Post away brother, let me see your work.

is this sakuga?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkDOuRAwrYE

>>4870355
right now it looks like the torso is the secondary action and the boobs act like wings, the driving force. I am not sure if this is your intention.
do you have a blog?

>>4870852
pyw

>>4870958
>pyw
>not an animation
cmon dude at least stay on topic

>>4870973
kek

is this rotoscoped?

>>4870942
>is poorly rotoscoped animation sakuga
no

>>4870978
i traced the guitar's initial drawing, and then used the transform tool to change the perspective. the character animation isn't rotoscoped, i just referenced this gif for my main keys and did all the breakdowns myself

>>4870986
good work, it's a funny animation.
do you have a blog?

>>4870973
try to add smears?

>>4870997
@mayyde on twitter
>>4871034
i'd probably do that if i ever chose to clean that animation up. i hate cleanup so i probably wont lmao

>>4870944
I've been looking at this animation for hours and i'm going blind.

On a scale from ngmi to ngmi how ngmi am I ngmi?
lol, jk, I'm awesome, u kno that.

>>4870198
a worthy read, by a genuine animation autist

>>4870883

i bet you dream of being in the centre of a gangbang with the 9 old men. the animation is dated retard, read the posts again.

I can look at Ghibli, then back at disney, and all i see is juvenile, ugly crap. And if you write off Ghibli as weeb shit i feel bad for your eyeballs.

Would anyone be interested in a tutorial on 2d animation in Blender? I've been using it a lot lately and a lot of what I learned was from trial and error. There are a few tutorials on youtube but they're either really disorganized or missing some pretty important stuff imo. It's basically a much better flash in basically every regard (it's also free as fuck)
Id be interested in putting it all in a video so others don't have to go through the same agony I did learning all this programs perks and shortcomings

>>4872301
Thats something i really need. I would love it if you do that, ty anon

>>4870198

>>4872321
I dont like the opening animation. Look at the rabbit his head doesnt even go up and down with his steps, it just rotates in place which looks really odd. A lot of it has an ugly style

https://youtu.be/7t3tIUXT5Yc

>>4870883

>>4872321

LMAO get mad disney cuck, just because the dude is dead, or because all the boomers jerk off to richard williams because he put out a beginners guide book, doesn't make his stuff look any better than the ugly dated garbage that it is, compared to the infinitely better work that is being put out today. You don't need to at that level to recognise that retard.

>>4872392
>the worthless trash animator is still desperately trying to pretend his input matters
Won't stop you from being worthless trash. You'll never achieve anything.

>>4872392
>LMAO get mad disney cuck, just because the dude is dead, or because all the boomers jerk off to richard williams because he put out a beginners guide book, doesn't make his stuff look any better than the ugly dated garbage that it is, compared to the infinitely better work that is being put out today. You don't need to at that level to recognise that retard.

>>4872397
post your work and prove that YOUR opinion matters then, stop being a hypocrite and accept that richard williams has an ugly ass style by todays standards. you'll be better off in the long run

>You'll never achieve anything

and you will huh?

>>4872400
>post your work
What makes you think you're entitled to ask this, idiot?

You label a legendary animator's work "garbage", haven't posted any of your own work, and have the gall to ask others to post theirs?

You are one laughably pathetic idiot. You aren't owed anything, trash. You're just an insignificant little peanut.

>>4872399
>>4872397

interestingly you are still yet to post any work by richard williams that argues your point of his work holding up to todays standards, you just go straight to the childish insults, bringing nothing of value to the discussion.

>>4872401
>>4872399
>>4872397
samefagging doesn't make you right

>>4872406
You don't know what samefagging means, idiot.

>>4872405
>todays standards
You don't even know what this means, moron.

The very video you posted here >>4870346 is fantastic by todays standards, and is regarded as such by every noteworthy name in the industry

Again, you're just a worthless, insignificant piece of trash who thinks his opinion matters. You haven't posted your own work, because you know it's garbage, and all you can do is shitpost.

>>4872408
post work by richard williams that prove his work to be timeless. I'm waiting :)

>>4872416
>timeless
Just the fact that you're asking this is evidence you're a complete idiot. It's timeless by virtue of still being held in high regard by every animator in the industry.

People will always remember the style of animation in Disney films. Meanwhile you'll always be less significant than a grain of space dust.

Let's me real here, it's obvious you're insecure about being correctly labelled trash, probably on a regular basis, so you shitpost on industry legends as a coping mechanism. Why justify the effort to improve when you can try to bring others down to your level?

>>4872301
I'm also interested.

>>4872411
>>4872418

>held in high regard by every animator in the industry

who are you referring to? the successors of the 9 old men who are also stuck in their time? The only interesting part about this film is that he's animating with realistic figures, but it comes out stiff and mechanical because of the nature of the medium.

that video is an exercise in animation more than it is an actual appealing piece of work. The reason it is praised is because of what it is technically. you can see the limits of the process he used, the floaty movement, clear pose to pose and janky camera movements, there is absolutely no reason for it to be animated.

But the biggest offender of all in that piece is the sheer ugliness of the film. it's not appealing to look at.

>>4872426
>the worthless trash is still desperately trying to justify his coping mechanism
>still hasn't posted any work
Just swallow your pride, admit you're garbage, and move on with your life. You'll be healthier in the long run.

>>4872429
i'm done arguing with you retard. maybe one day you'll accept that standards have risen and richard williams isn't the timeless animator you thought he was

Can someone explain run cycles? Everything else seems self explanatory but walks/runs are currently a nightmare for me...

(Wonky limbs, static movement, ECT)

>>4872432
>i'm done arguing with you retard
Good, running away with your tail between your legs is basically the same as admitting you're worthless garbage.

>maybe one day you'll accept that standards have risen and richard williams isn't the timeless animator you thought he was
Except Richard Williams will always be remembered as an industry legend, and his work, both new and old, will always be looked upon as amazing by other industry veterens.

This is something an insignificant speck of garbage like yourself will never achieve, so you'll spend the rest of your life coping, trying to bring others down to your level.

>>4872405
>>4872416
>>4872392
Actually based.The boomer circlejerking over classic animation and style is what's holding back a lot of animation today.

>>4872435
>samefagging to back yourself up
As if you couldn't get any more sad and pathetic, idiot...

No doubt you'll re-enter the argument, pretending to be another person, in a vein attempt to salvage pride.

>b-but i'm not him!

>>4872435

finally a good take.

>>4872437

uhh. ok boomer

A rough cut for something im working on, I've always had a hard time with swords and full body animation as I'm still very amateur. Some critique would be nice, thanks!

>>4864707
I agree. It got a lot of skill but it's hard to look at.

>>4872453
>23 minutes later
>that filename
Truly a complete idiot for the ages you are, samefagger.

>>4872488

i just change the filename out of habit

>>4863200
thanks anon! I'm not very active on social media but most of my studies and doodles are dumped in https://dad.gallery/users/174/submissions.. The small animations I did are somewhere on page 2

>>4872531
>another 35 minutes later
Are you really that desperate to clear your name of samefagging, idiot?

You already made a complete moron of yourself as someone who talks shit, but can't post his own work. Now you're desperately digging to prove you didn't back yourself up in a fit of desperation?

>>4872558
i'm not crabbing on /ic/ 24/7 refreshing the page unlike you

>>4872589
Actually you pretty much are, idiot.
You got exposed hard, and it's quite obvious you're annoyed, considering you went as far as to samefag to defend yourself. Pretty sad and embarrassing, moron.

>>4872595

the absolute state of this moron

>>4872598
>still trying to pretend you're someone else
>still posting frogs, still have the same posting style
>i-i'm not samefagging! i'm a good animator!
Like the pathetic idiot you are. Keep digging yourself deeper and deeper, trash.

>>4872600

>>4872611
I want draw pepe's

>>4872595
>>4872558
hes not samefagging it was me but i you wont believe it you deluded dumbass

>>4872636
>hes not samefagging it was me but i you wont believe it you deluded dumbass

>>4872432
>anon comes to board and cries about Richard Williams
>"bad animation"
>"dated style"
>"talentless"
>"standards have risen"
>"taste"
>asking people to post their work
>telling them they'll never make it
>hasn't even posted their work yet
I don't think that you understand that a fuckton of the greatest industry animators of today; regardless of the style or medium, have looked up to Richard Williams' animation in their lives. I wonder if there's a particular reason why quite a lot of animators who respect RW and admire his animation ideologies currently have jobs and you don't. Maybe it's because you're a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, since I know you've seen at least one or two video essays loosely based on the animation medium. Maybe you tried it a year or two ago in middle school and gave up on it but feel you're still an "animator" for trying, which you feel justifies your broad uneducated statements. I'm not entirely sure, but I know for a fact that any of the statements that you've thrown down here today have no weight to them at all. You should understand that the only way for you to feel as if you have any authority over broad statements is if you have work that is exceptional. So just fucking come on already, let's see your animation skill already. I'm feeling down for doing some honest critiquing right now.

>>4873350
there are also a lot of working animators who don't look up to him me included. I see that that guy is being a shit stirrer but he has some valid points

>>4873371
I'm working in animation as well, but I mostly respect RW for sharing proper animation knowledge with the commoner such as myself. I didn't follow his work, and I found his artstyle to be a bit unappealing at times, but what he did for an entire generation of animators is still insane.
I look up to a lot of the modern-day animators in the industry; both Western and in Japan, but RW was just a teacher of mine that I never met. I read his book and applied myself.
I respect him animation-wise, but as an artist I never followed his work that much.

Does anyone have this course?

https://www.animatorguild.com/courses.html

my first animation/gif

>>4861326
You could always transfer to an eastern uni, and you can apply for japanese studios if you can speak the language

>>4860611
learn into smear frames

>>4858690
How do i make it seem like it has a bigger shockwave or impact/recoil

>>4876175
Try giving a bit more anticipation by holding the frames before the shot, and maybe easing in frames of the tank before the shot and then holding the frames before the shot for longer. Exaggerate the blow back from the shot to comical levels, then pull it back to where you want it to be. Right now the center of mass of the body doesn't move horizontally, you want the whole thing to appear to tip backwards. Maybe through extending the forward legs and crushing the back legs, they look too stable right now. Like the part that attaches to the front legs don't move at all right now. Personally I find it easier to go too far when exaggerating something and then pulling it back, then trying to hit the mark. Everybody is different though so use what works for you.
I really like the look of the tank, great work anon.

is starting animation with pixel art easier or harder?

>>4877070
id say much harder. pixel is an abstraction of hand drawn 2d animation so start with learning that first

>>4876480
thanks anon i will try to correct those things.

>>4876175
Lower part does not move but impact should move the entire body

https://twitter.com/i/status/1307430292240572417

I don't know if I should dive into animation or making comics

>>4878801
Do both and realize you have no time to do both then do the one you enjoy more.

>>4878801
I like moving pictures more so I stuck with animation

>>4876175
have it hang at the farthest back position for longer

>>4878801
if you wanted to do animation you'd have to do storyboards at some point and storyboards and comics are really similar so either way really.

https://youtu.be/gj0N9yeA4AQ

please give it the good ole' ultraviolence boys

>>4863033
Who made this? I want to follow their work

I know I'm /beg/ but I made this with my free hour this morning. Anything majorly wrong that totally messes it up? Or any advice on what to do next time?

Has anyone tried CSP for Android (on Samsung Galaxy devices)? It came with 6 months free plan and I love the illustration feature, but somehow I can't see the timeline when trying its animation feature.

Now I'm seeing everything in series of still frames instead of continuous motion.
What the fuck, man?

>>4884570
spooky shit
is this what psychiatric drugs do to your brain?

>>4884570
It's fine I once saw everything in turn-based moves when I played CDDA for 20 hours straight

trying animation for the first time

Every time I hear the word “animation” i get very very very angry. My brother fell for the animation meme and all he ever fucking talks about is animation. He won’t stop looking at the endless supply of jewtube tutorials, he watches 2 minute cartoons for 2 hours because he will pause frame by fucking frame just to see why it works, every time we watch a show he has to autistically sit down and tell me why it works instead of just sitting down and enjoying it, every time an adult cartoon “pushes a boundary” like the horse show with depression or the gem show with being a total flaming faggot he becomes a total shill for it, he leaves his art shit everywhere, he hasn’t gotten a haircut in weeks because he hardly knows what a normal haircut looks like anymore, he doesn’t have any other friends because cartoons are his friends now: why go outside and meet imperfect people when you have an endless supply of saccharine anime girls, robotic VRtubers, and bright flashy cartoons all at the click of a button to give yourself the illusion of a social circle? this word embodies everything I hate about bugmen manchildren and their disgusting escapist cult. If I could go back in time and murder every single pioneer of animation starting from the cave painters to the indie e-begger patreon artist I would take immense pleasure in doing so. I thought the word animation meant to give life but all it has done is taken my brothers. I hate every single one of you.

>>4887959
>letting your shitstain brother ruin a form of art for you
ngl im with you only partially, because i have the exact same thing with gaming shit. video games got fucking butchered by all the fuckin "gamer" megavirgin consoomer no-personality fuckin discord-user gaming-addict siege/overwatch/fortnite obsessed fuckheads. video games are an absolute waste of time, and anybody who spends any of their fucking money on any modern video game is a fucking idiot. anybody who follows gaming news is fucking irredeemable
although video games themselves are objectively pieces of art just like any drawing/film can be, and animation is very much the same. if you have a distaste in it because of experiences you've had with some fucking turbospergs, then i can fully understand disliking it entirely; but animation is still art, and should be respected for it's influence regardless of spergoids out there.

>>4888012
Honestly wasn’t expecting an understanding answer. Thank you anon I’ll try to separate my dislike of some aspects of the culture from the medium as a whole.

>>4887959
is this a copypasta

>>4869177
Well done.

It's starting to happen...

>>4888433
get the westerncucks out of my anime, first it's the low-level shit, next thing you know they'll think they deserve to run the studios.

>>4863033
prime example of "too much shit going on" fucker needs to define the colors from the background.

>>4888433
This reliance on foreign freelance animators will ruin anime.

>>4888433
Explain

>>4888935

>>4888433
>tfw anime is ruined
Like how these people think they can just pick up a pencil and start pumping out professional work is beyond me

>>4888965
>>4888433
I guess the company is partly to blame since they have to train the newbies for layout? Why accept them when they can initially see their portfolio first during the hiring process?

>>4882279
I like it anon, though it looks a bit like he's got a bit of a limp

is this legit ?https://github.com/baowenbo/DAIN

>>4889313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbuiyYBdH6I

>>4889340
awful

>>4888990
you dont know how freelancing works.
those people are picked randomly on the internet and not employees. they lie about knowing the pipeline just to get these animu jobs
and some the people hiring them are noobs too, they can't tell if the artist can produce professional work or not

>>4888990
>train the newbies
It's not up to the company to train you in Animation, it's up to you to train yourself before you start taking on jobs you barely even know how to do. The Japanese animation industry is built upon skilled artists who know what they're doing, and in order to succeed you just need to know the lingo and understand your position right out the gate.
A lot of foreigners don't speak Japanese too well, so a lot of the time when going back and forth with notes, the animator/supervisor gets lost in translation from both sides. The language barrier is tough as hell to get past and they'd rather work with people who KNOW what they're in for rather than some newbie who just drops the ball at every turn.
Why pay more money to train some useless foreigner when you can keep the low budget as-is and keep paying the experienced animators you already know well?

>>4889340
>>4889313
>crimson alpine
look how they massacred my boy.
60FPS interpolated animation footage looks like garbage because some of the data it's trying to interpolate isn't even fucking DRAWN yet. If you look at every single time there's an asset passing on top of another through parallax, you'll notice this awful distorted mess where the algorithm is trying to blend interpolate lines that didn't exist in one of the drawings. It's really obvious with low-framerate work.
Not to mention that all the intricate arcs intended by the animators are suddenly turned into dozens of little linear interpolations in every animation. Arcs turn into the edges of octogons when you do this kinda shit.

>>4888990
They don't accept them, they just apply for the job and make hirers waste a lot of time.

They're even scouting foreigners on the internet for the sakuga kantoku position now.
Japan is that desperate.

At this rate everything will soon come crashing down.
It's not sustainable at all.

Oh fuck I haven't animated in months. Any tips on the skipping rope? I know that timings are fucked but I have no idea how is it supposed to be

>>4861918
Particularly if you're working with paper, charting your keys helps to keep track of where the breakdowns/in-betweens should go. For example -- an animator may choose to work on their key pass, then flip through and mentally pick out which parts need in-betweening, and then jot the needed drawings into the charts.

This isn't as necessary in digital animation, where you can simply playback and re-arrange drawings at will thru the timeline.

HOWEVER, this is all assuming that a single animator is doing both keys and in-betweening.

If you were doing key animation only, and handing off the keys to be in-betweened by someone else, it's very important to have those charts so that the in-betweener knows what they need to draw.

How did I do?

>>4889785
Our boy Bahi JD will save anime.

>>4891938
>yoyoyoyoyoyo

yuck

>>4891938
>>4889785
As long as they hire actual skilled animators and not shitty Yutaka Nakamura copy cats there should be no issues.

>page 5

>>4858690
did some gesture drawing, but decided to add more challenge by making it a "turn-around" with 10 minute timer.

>>4893384
>>4893385
>>4893387
>>4893389
>>4893390

the ref, by far last 2 I had the most trouble

>>4872301
i've been considering looking into this exact thing so yes please anon

apologies if this isnt the proper place to be asking but as i cant find a thread for it:

is there any way to obtain tvpaint 11 since cgpeers doesnt have it and im not forking out like 2k for something like that :"O

So I completed some random animated loop.

What do you guys think of it?

>>4893825
you need the dongle, just give up and use CSP instead.

>>4888433
I didn’t know /ic/ anime spammers were causing workplace stupidity in Japan

>>4893119
Your follow through seems to be really off, like the clothing flaring up before the girl starts moving down, her boobs look like they're underwater ith how little they're moving. But the animation itse;f is smooth, so you are on the right track.

>>4894912
Might be because of the camera folder having wrong motion

>>4894912

>>4895494
sry i posted in the wrong thread, can mod delete this?

thoughts on Ed Tadeo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cusPTki-rj8

>>4895494
>>4895501
You can delete it yourself, you dirty nigger. Click the little box next to your post, then click delete in the bottom right corner of your screen.

Thoughts on Richard Williams?

>>4895410
Looking better, good work.

>>4895655

we've had this discussion in this thread already, but the general consensus is that his old-fashioned practices don't hold up these days, and it's recommended to learn techniques from modern working animators. And personally i'm not a fan of the style which makes it even more depressing to learn from him.

>>4889873
Cute! Try pushing the posing of the keyframes a little more(more so on the breast when they go upward and downward, exaggerate them to imitate weight) so the audience can understand the impact of her movement. Also, try adding a smear on the jump rope for just a frame, just for fun.

>>4895655
>that wireframe walkcycle

>>4893974
Good stuff for a degenerate

>>4895655
His book is fucking worth it. As a teacher his philosophies on how he breaks down the process like a fucking autist has been very useful, and as much as some people bitch about his "style" his teachings usually avoid that by using basic figures for examples, so it doesnt bring his teachings down. Plus most animation teachers will either pull from him, or start going on some tirade about PHILOSOPHY OF ART or some abstarct shit that dosnt tell a student about the bare essentials, so I havent seen another artist beat him in terms of teaching the medium. The next best thing would be just landing a job and being forced to learn on the spot, so its best to get your feet wet with his book.

However I am of the thought that as an artist, his technique far outweighs some of the actual "art" of his pieces. I feel that his work is best utilized when under the direction of someone else, cause when left to his own devices his goals seem to be about pushing the medium versus actually having a story or message to tell.

>>4893390
very nice turn-around studies

hey im coming from >>4895326
I'm wondering about artists from the 90s cartoon boom. Mostly based on what John K did for Ren and Stimpy: putting gesture / flow and exaggeration first. Making every frame extremely expressive.
Does anybody have other artists and/or shows in mind when it comes to this?

>>4895655
Toniko Pantoja's course is better.

>>4896078
>but the general consensus is that his old-fashioned practices don't hold up these days
There is no consensus you stupid idiot.

>>4896791

>>4896616
that drawing looks reminiscent of ed roth

>>4896813
>>4896805
don't have the same argument again you butthurt boomer. yes some people don't like williams. lets agree to disagree

>animation playback in clip studio paint is really fucking slow and choppy on my PC for some reason
>literally every other animation/art software I've tried works perfectly fine
anyone else have this problem? I tried messing around with a bunch of settings and nothing works.
it sucks because I love animating in csp the most. I fucking hate having to export stuff whenever I want to accurately see how my animation plays out.

>>4897086
what resolution do you work at. if its crazy high like 4k+ that would lag it

Is there an animation program as good and accessible as flipnote?

>>4897141
i don't know if its still easy to find but i used a software called EZToon at first. its really basic, maybe more basic than flipnote. but really accessible, and it has the same screentone-like shading as flipnote so you will get a similar look.

>>4897136
that's the thing, I usually do something small like 1600 x 1200, and it makes very little difference even when I lower the resolution

>>4896805

DICK WILLY

Critique?

>>4887959
>this word embodies everything I hate about bugmen manchildren and their disgusting escapist cult
sounds more like you have personal issues to sort out rather than anything wrong with your brother or anyone else who has passion for something

>>4897268
>feet dont land in the same place
this woman would be walking in a zig zag and prob pull a hip muscle

>>4858690
Just adding my 2 cents. Some useful open source programs for animation I recommend

Blender (does 2D animation too)
Pencil 2D
TupiTube Desk

>>4897271
well, she does end up tripping lol
I'll be sure to think of that for furture animations though, thank you!!

>>4897337
Do you know any good tutorials for doing 2D Animation on Blender?

>>4897847
Unfortunately, no.

>>4897086
Try changing these options. It helped on my old laptop though I can't remember the specific settings.

>>4897337
Krita is pretty good.

>>4897086
I have this problem too. You are probably using a monitor higher than 1080p. Go into Clipstudiopaint.exe properties, compatibility, change high dpi settings, and override scaling, performed by System. Fixes it.

>>4898333
HOLY SHIT THIS ACTUALLY WORKED
bless you and your trips anon, this problem was driving me up a fucking wall for months

>>4897847
I'm not really sure if anyone I know in the industry uses blender to produce 2D animation, however I know some of them use blender to create 3D environment/layout such as:
>Kawakami Yuusuke
https://twitter.com/kawakami_yu/status/1236306442115641345?s=19
>Shota Goshozono (One of animators in Jujutsu Kaisen)
https://youtu.be/wlg6CIHPBVA
Subscribe his channel too
>Yuuki Yamashita (one of main animators in Fire Force)
https://twitter.com/yamamimumemo/status/1302109007927099392?s=19
Ryo-chimo also uses Blender to make 3D animation.

Check out TAP Animation Fanbox too and subscribe to it if you have some spare money.
https://tap.fanbox.cc/
https://twitter.com/animation_tap
This is a creator group composed of talented animators and director, Kawakami Yuusuke, gosso, Tatsuya Yoshhara, Toya Oshima, Kerorira, Kawakami Taishi, Kai Ikarashi, Azure, moaang. They sometimes share their process or knowledge.

>>4858690
Decided to whip out the Handbook and try my hand at cheap walk cycles again.

>>4897268
instead of critiquing would you like to animate a short film together

Somewhat animation related, but I've trying to do character turnarounds for an animated short I have planned.
Do you guys know of any books, videos or tutorials that explain how to create a perfect turnaround?
Pic not mine

>>4888433
>needed to target 40 seconds a week for 3D TMNT TV animation
>japs release berserk which local college students could do way better in a fraction of the time
>but kruger 2D fanboys can only dream of doing a few seconds a week in Japan
Well this may be a good thing. I don't watch anime anymore but from the occasional webm or clip I do see everything just bursts into cubes and a bunch of wirey light beams are scribbled all over the scene until a figure rotates into view. Maybe these weaker animators will force them to be more grounded and actually innovate.

>>4898481
The legs have to alternate front to back. You have both left and right in unison.

>>4898333
Why the fuck am I learning about it after 2 years of animating in CSP

>>4898376
>>4898721
I only figured this out because after effects has the same issue with the timeline shitting itself on monitors > 1080p which is fucking retarded
you would think "creative software" would be a big market for people on 4k screens

>>4899066
My monitor is 1920x1080.

>>4898702
>everything just bursts into cubes and a bunch of wirey light beams are scribbled all over the scene until a figure rotates into view
almost TOO accurate

>>4899085
what the fuck

>>4899114
It might be not because of the resolution but because of the monitors refresh rate. My monitor is 60Hz.

>>4898546
lol maybe when I'm not busy

How is the market for animation commissions?

>>4899489
Porn?

>>4899531
Sure. With a slight focus on furries.

How do learn to do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4gAQXRFVX0

>>4899592
I dunno. Copy it. Add other things.

>>4898720
I'll keep that in mind when I flesh it out

>>4858690
Does no one seriously have the crack to TV Paint?

>>4900642
i dont know if it s even possible because it requires a physical usb dongle to run which is unusual for software and a pain the the ass because i've effectively lost one of my usb ports

>>4900642
10 is in the pastebein
11 hasn't been cracked

>>4900642
I have but only TV PAINT 10
I couldn't find 11
but still, 10 is decent
here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qh3wencowu3oz7h/TVPaint_Animation_10_Pro.rar/file

>>4898702
>everything just bursts into cubes
lmaoo

>>4899489
if you're half decent and put out work resembling the work you want to make, it's actually a really good market. for example, if you want to make animated music videos, put out pieces that look like music videos / cinematic. if your work is decent and you use appropriate hashtags you'll have people contacting you pretty fast asking for work.

The biggest advice for animation commissions is put out a product, something someone else would commission you for, but do it for yourself. i've had a lot of luck recently doing animated loops which got people asking for me to make them animated album covers, best money i've been making in a long while

New major version TVPaint 11.5 confirmed in development boys, should be some good new features coming

>>4901522
did you buy it?

>>4902015
yeah i got it with a huge student discount, actual price is insane so i'm glad i got it back then.

>>4902205
I really wish I could buy it. but it's not affordable. I run v10 and love it

>>4896791
Hell fucking no, I hate this guy's work. Every single motion, no matter what it is, has the exact same timing. And it's always floaty as shit, like what is even happening here

>>4898720
No they don't, they're clearly animating a trot. It is way too slow though, it's walking speed.
>>4899592
All straight-ahead animation; gotta meticulously plan out what you want to happen ahead of time because I'm guessing they drew it, drew over it and moved things slightly, and then drew over it again and again.

>>4876175
I’ll slide the robot from the right to the left. I find it confusing that the robot digs into the ground to preserve its position, yet doesn’t slide for the slightest bit.

>>4904055
i used to really like the guy a couple of years ago, but i took a look at his stuff a few months ago and i noticed a lot of the same stuff, mostly with his floaty faces and how they always look around in a circle in the exact same annoying way

i think the biggest offender is how crazy overpriced his animation course is, $400 is just ridiculous when everything he teaches is right there on youtube for free.

>>4904318
>>4904055

also he's kind of hard to listen too, he hasn't got a very natural script reading voice, somehow making generally interesting talking points feel like a drag to listen through

How would you guys recommend animating stuff like freckles or stray hairs in frame by frame?
When I redraw it every frame it looks too jumpy and noisy, but when I copy and paste it between frames it's jarring and really noticeable. I could redraw them precicely each frame but I'm only one man.

>>4897086
I just fixed mine with pressing tab to hide all panels, works on both 'Play in real time' and 'Play all frames'.
It looks like the playback slows down when several panels are open.

>>4904479
dont freckles are gross

>>4904509
thats cool. who made it?

>>4904530
uzura3026

>>4904529
Fuck you

>>4904479
You can copy and paste them and then distort them into place, but even that won't look quite as good as just drawing the dots. Kinda made your own bed there.

>>4904479
come up with a simple arrangement of dots that are easier to manage. if you've designed your characters with the initial intent of animating them, then any randomness like freckles and hair should be planned out for every single view. relying on your rendering skills and nice brushes will not yield good results when it comes to keeping consistently good animation, since great animation comes from the lines and form.
use basic shape markers to help you out rather than trying to inconsistently eyeball it every shot

>>4906221
I feel like making a box/grid connecting some facial features and placing them relative to that would be easier than your pic related. There's nothing to reference and I can't imagine keeping the distances between things consistent over many frames like that.

>>4858690
I did a commission for The Minute Hour that was published today. I think it came off well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYmB2i-QP80

>>4908401
How do you go about your prices for animation comissions? How much money did they pay? And how much time they gave you?

>>4908523
Since it was like a minute of half of animation, I asked for two months since I take my time. (I should work harder and faster though) He paid me $500 and while that seems low for professional animators, I think it was fair for the level of commitment. The guy seems pretty chill and I respect that.

>>4908523
Also he contacted me so I don't usually put myself out there for commissions

>>4908552
That's very low for professional animators, starting salary for a studio job in Canada is a little over $900 a week

>>4908552
That is ridiculously low. Im kind of annoyed its people like you who are making studios believe they can get away with paying animators nothing

>>4908632
>>4908587
For someone who is managing their own channel, I can understand a low rate; Individual youtubers can't pay ridiculous prices for animators no matter how much they deserve a higher pay. Look, I'd love to be paid thousands of dollars for this shit, but no one is willing to put out that kind of money for that kind of work unless you prove yourself on a real professional level. No one is going to pay you thousands of dollars for animation work unless you're popular enough to ensure you'll garner them views.

>>4908632
I understand you're point though. I'm no professional but I maybe could have asked for more and I'd be entitled to it. I just have a feeling, especially with youtube being a cesspit for animation at this point, that most people willing to commission animation are doing the best they can and probably can't afford the kind of rates animators deserve

>>4863777
No, actually just sell your soul

>>4908632
>>4908705
I think is kind of a fair price, for the quality of that animation they gave anon a lot of time i’ve been in situations where i had to shit out similar things to that video in less than 2 weeks for way less money but that’s because my country isn’t used to hiring animators yet and i was really dumb back then

>>4910248
Honestly it was my first commission and I'm very new to this. Two weeks sounds really short though for a minute and a half but maybe my work eithic is just really terrible. That being said, I might be wrong, maybe I should have asked for more but I dont know.

>>4908587
>>4908632
>>4908705
>>4910248
>>4910392
The main difference between the professional industry and general YouTube work is that the rates are just so vastly apart from one another. Most average YouTube channels with 100k-500k subscribers barely make the amount of money most people expect it would. Websites like Socialblade also exaggerate these numbers into astronomical values because they just go by the raw numbers regardless of whatever individual channel's CPM rates are. This makes it seem like they're earning way more, but they could possibly be making just a fraction of it.
Most YouTube channels can usually afford the bare minimum, and the wages I've seen go from $5/sec-$10/sec. These rates are typically measured in the amount of seconds or minutes the animation rounds up to in the end and doesn't count for individual drawings; so things like holds, 2s, 3s, and camera pans don't matter, just as long as the animation is done.
For example, I've done animation work for Pencilmation, and I've worked at barely 1/4 industry wage. Although I have also animated entire 4 minute shorts for them. The low animation rate makes sense the further you scale the length of the animation itself. Wages in the professional animation industry are calculated by the fact that animators are assigned specific shots and the rates are usually accounted for the shot's length. $50+/sec makes a lot of sense when you're always animating shots that average about eight seconds in length. Whereas a lot of YouTube "studios" could hire a specific animator for an entire short, so the wage is reduced. Working at $50/sec for a 2min-3min short would be an incredibly huge loss on the commissioner.
YouTube work is what it is. It's not industry, so therefore it wont be able to afford industry wages. Although YouTube has slowly become a good place for small online studios to spread their wings and create good animation.

>>4895655
his animation is weird, floaty and disturbs me
https://youtu.be/hDRMeeuP3F0 this in particular gives me nightmares

but i guess the book is ok as a starting point to teach you some principles

>>4912154
>his animation is weird, floaty and disturbs me
I think Richard Williams is a great animator but his stuff really does look floaty. He likes to put everything on 1's. I think a mixture of 1's and 2's works best. On 3's just looks bad.

>>4912440
ive seen great animation on 3s, even 4s. if its done well its can work

>>4908587
>>4908559
>>4908684
Sorry, I didn't mean to be too aggressive with my post, I just wanted to confirm your statement that $500 is fairly low for professional animators. For the client and for the easy going time frame, the price is as reasonable as you are comfortable taking it. It seemed like a fun job, and for what it's worth the video is actually pretty well done, so good on you for that. If it didn't feel like too much work, you just got paid $500 to practice making something

>>4896818
Can I have a link to the previous discussion?

>>4912495
it's on the previous thread. Just check the archives

>>4912495
>>4913823

nah it was this thread, but the Richard Williams fanboy got his posts deleted, not sure why since they were way past the 'delete yourself' timeframe, maybe he got banned or the mods disagreed lmao

>>4870496
>>4870484
>>4870346

>>4914414
also funny to note, the anon was hard denying that he was same-fagging but somehow this happens lmao >>4872406

>>4898720
it is literally impossible to tell, in fact you can flip it back and forth using your mind only

>>4872555
Please make one, you have such a cute style