/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4889034
>Wagecucking relentlessly
>Come home exhausted and mentally drained
>All I want to do is finish some drawings
>Shit keeps getting in the way
>By the time I finally get to sit down it is time to go to bed to wagecuck again the next day
I'm not going to make it bros.

i have forgotten why i draw

I cant draw loomis or perspective I understand how it works and can visualize i cannot translate it to paper and its driving me crazy

>>4889099
Keep working at it. loomis heads and perspectives are pretty simple to understand, but hard to apply right away. In the post you made some clear mistakes that don't follow the method. And the boxes don't go to a vanishing point. I would watch proko's head video (summarizes the loomis method) and try draw a box.

>>4889099
you need more mileage and unfortunately it is a skill that is passively developed, unironically just draw

>>4889051
>Wagecucking relentlessly
>Come home exhausted and mentally drained
>All I want to do is finish some drawings
>Shit keeps getting in the way
>Despite all of this practice anyway and work on pieces
>Can't improve at all and just keep getting worse
I'm not going to make it either.

>>4889051
Bro... Don't give up. If you truly feel bad you should ask for your boss to let you take a break for atleast a day or two (if you have the enough money you wanted to earn.)

It's hard starting out working, but in the end you can really make it. Don't forget it bro, life is shitty and never has had a straight path. But after some bad times it can go back to being great, it's just how life is. No matter what. It will ALWAYS be "bad, good, repeat." We all are in the same shoes as you bro, or have been. We still probably get these issues alot.

but basically, I believe that you'll make it, friend.

I think I got worse at figure drawing. I struggle with construction, I can't feel the 3dness of forms or place stuff in perspective by feel. I haven't practiced grayscale rendering, nor from reference, nor from imagination. I suck at anime heads and bodies. And lineart. And God only knows at how many other things. I still don't know what I want to draw or why. It's been a month since I last did studies or practiced in any way. I'm tired. At least I'm eating better and exercising.

>>4889034
>browse through pixiv
>see all this good art
>the amount of work they put in goes through my mind
>feel like fucking Atlas carrying the god damn Earth's weight on my back
>anxiety spiking, sick to my stomach, panic about the amount of time and effort to invest, sweaty fucking hands, neck, everything
>already feel out of breath and tired
I just want to be able to draw better man, but it kills me to think about all the decisions and sacrifices made to get there that I don't even want to spit out one page of drawings. I don't fucking know how they do what they do. Sure the answer is a lot of study and practice, but it's like staring into the fucking unknown and seeing how vast it is. It staring back at you chokes you.

There are no heroes, I have no heroes, film, painting, drawing, animation, music and writing, it's all plants, dishonesty, it's all who knows whom even back then, there are no heroes, heroes don't exist, there's no love for art, art is the fakest of all things.

>>4889140
show me an example of good stuff you see on there

>someone takes the time to go back and deliberately unfavorite your post

>>4889145
the first "favorite" i ever got on deviantart was taken away the next day. I haven't had a single post favorited since.

>>4889145
I do that all the time. I only use them as bookmarks.

Unironically hate drawing now

>>4889143
I just look at the top daily rankings dude. You can vent and shit all over my taste if you want, but I'll still enjoy it anyways.

>>4889161
No i don't visit pixiv at all that's why i am curious, post something that blows you away.

>>4889118
wholesome
>>4889142
gonna make it

>draw from 3/4th
>try to draw face
>brain stops working
Alright. IVE HAD ENOUGH

>>4889126
Not your fault, friend! sometimes without a LOT of practice that happens.

Never think bad that you think you "suck" at drawing! I don't think that you do suck, I think you are doing what you love, but you just wish that it was kind of an easier way to draw and just overall make more beautiful art which is understandable!

I'd recommend to just keep practicing again my friend, do some great research on internet, watch tutorials. I believe you'll be getting better and better at the thing you wish to continue the most, which is art.

Don't feel down or bad that you just don't know how to draw, you can truly start again and be better at it, as anything. It'll take time. I know I am a stranger on the internet, but I want to seriously start helping some people (which I doubt I am doing anything), just encourage them. I've been at your steps before, even tho my stuff isn't really up-to todays "amazing detail-ish art", I am still quite proud of it! I am sure you would be proud at your own stuff, I know I would!

TL:DR I believe in you!

>>4889164
There's not always stuff that blows me away, but I liked these from today.
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/84526707
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/84547144
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/84554367
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/84547146
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/84563123

>my drawing sucks
>I can't figure out why

No matter how bad you are. You can do it. Do it often. Do it everyday.
look at this artist. How he grow in just 2 years.
https://youtu.be/4K8f0HFsZlk

>>4889204
You mean, you can't figure out the next step right? I get that kind of feeling when I draw. I look at better drawings and wonder how do I get from here to there. I assume it has to do with more looking instead of drawing at that point.

What the fuck is not /beg/to this board? /ic/ is consumed with screaming about it everyday but it's never explained what it entails?

>>4889209
But I'm 2 years in, doing it often and everyday and I am extremely shit and without any significant growth this whole year. If anything it makes me feel terrible that I'm fundamentally deeply flawed in ways beyond my control.

If i get dubs I gmi

Realized after days/hours of applying for any job i can find, going through all of those shitty personality quizes that i will never get any sort of contact or call back because i don't have a cellphone(can't pay for it). And once they see the number i have put down doesn't have any service, they'll just skip over my application because of my little work experience and no reliable skills. I can't even get one of those google voice numbers since you need a active number to use it.
I'm really trying to help out my family with this whole covid situation getting worse, and i don't have the drawing skills good enough to do commission work. I just sit at home tryibg to get better a drawing waiting for an email that will never come, and it all just makes me feel dead inside. I've never felt so worthless before, and am honestly considering dying.

i tried to fap to furry porn and traps,
but i couldn't get over the that the traps have bodies of dudes.
Like girls have nice curve's while traps always have square looking chest and that shit looks nasty af.
Furries i can tolerate some shit, but the muscle furries or the one that look like cereal box mascot make me want to puke.
I'm down for the furries that look like anime girls tho, that shit makes me diamonds

I'd fuck some pokemon too, i watched alot of garivore porn

>>4889284
Traps are gay

>>4889111
Trips!!

>>4889126
You should move on to cubism if you can’t draw the figure good

>>4889142
Fuck you

>>4889276
You should get on welfare to support your family. Apply got a job at Walmart pushing carts, they don’t do background checks so you’re good anon ! I believe in you.

>>4889099
you need to go through drawabox. It's great in developing the fundamental skills of mark making, and it will give you a decent grasp of perspective. がんばれ!ANONくん

>>4889320
I never try'd welfare but I'll look into it later when i wake up. I've only applied to one walmart so far, but do all the ones in my city for good measure. Thanks for believing in me, because i've got to the point where i can't do it myself anymore.

>>4889361
You’ll get hired eventually, and so will I. Hang in there, buddy
Keep art as a hobby. I graduated art college and I can’t even make money from my art, so I’m also job-searching.
I think it sounds like the good life to be making Real money At an ordinary job, then going home and drawing my own art for fun

>>4889099
listen to this >>4889111 >>4889321 and check out draw a box, it at least will help you with drawing a straight line.

Don't grind it mindlessly, just use it as a daily warmup. I only do 1 page a day, split into thirds for different exercises. It's just the right amount to not get bored doing it and as you progress you can extend it to two pages (e.g. one page of "old" excercises and one page of "new" excercises to progress through the course) and so on.

I felt some progress with my straight lines after like 4 days or so, so just try it out OP and see if it helps you.

>>4889034
thoughts?

>>4889276
Do you have a pc? Consider graphic design.

>>4889385
Don’t.

>>4889380

>>4889390
Do

>>4889273
rip anon's art career

>>4889394
Did you take a look at >>4889099 ? Are seriously you telling me that anon wouldn't improve by learning how to draw a straight line? By hand?

>>4889405
You’re talking to a ruler

>>4889405
Just use a straight edge
That’s what professional artists do

>>4889382
Hahahahaha

>>4889311
there are NO heroes
>>4889171
gmi?

>>4889422
Dubs

>>4889273
reroll for this anon

>Want to quit the field where I'm currently studying but I don't have any plan after that

>tried to go out of my comfort zone by drawing vehicules while grinding primitives forms

>Can't draw comfort zone stuff anymore

>the last time I had fun was when I've drew was with the pic related,and It's not my usual style.

I wish to have the will to drop out asking for help ,or find a shitty part-time job and working on my art.Not just drawing boxes because I'm to exhausted to make something creative.

>>4889481
Wait my picture was post in the wrong angle.
Oh who cares anyway...

>>4889034
I'm jealous of artists who draw nothing but pinups of their blank OC characters and getting $1k on patreon

>>4889145
This comes from someone who actively monitoring the amount of favorites on his drawings

Proko is a fag.

>>4889034
These past couple of weeks I have been thinking of quitting art for good.

I've known artists of far lower skill level than mine selling their work for thousands of dollars on galleries. Because they graduated from top 5 Universities in my country they have huge connections, especially political ones. I am quite well respected among artist circles but can't make big bucks. I'm very introverted too and can only gain exposure through internet. This worsened when I refused to do commissions for political propaganda, don't have art friends now. This is why I started lurking here in 4chan.

>>4889273
Reroll for ictard

>>4889273
Rerolling for myself

>>4889034
i'm too schizoid to even talk to people or make friends. why the fuck do i think i can do that with drawing?

I didn't do any work at my job yesterday. I just sat there all depressed. I came home and went directly to bed and slept past my wake up time. I should have listened to myself a few days ago to stay off social media because I knew this would have happened again. I'm an idiot to let it happen to me more than 3 times but at least 10 whole times and each time it hurt me. That's more chances than I should ever give to a stranger.

I'm about done getting manipulated and toyed with by people. IRL and online. I'm going to get good not to show you, but to not get hurt by people like you ever again by trying to find happiness in paper thin relationships. So I don't have to remain in this low level of this industry and keeping 'friends' delusional low levels.

>>4889051
Back to your cage, wagie.

>>4889410
Kek

>>4889034
Why is ic full of pussies?

>>4889796
because they're looking for d/ic/ks

>>4889719
It's your fault for getting overly attached to a stranger

>>4889385
I'm currently in collage for it, and not liking it at all desu.

AAAAAAA, when will my skin clear up, I’m sick of looking like a greasy 15 year old at 20, why won’t this shit fuck off aaaaaaaaa

My art is improving though

I can’t draw

>>4889099
hi June

>>4889273
here u go

>>4889118
>bad, good repeat
for me it's "bad, bad, repeat" for 15 straight years

>>4889796
We have like 70% female girls and 20% trannies on this board

>>4890308
>female girls
kek

>>4890308

On some days I'm a female girl and other days I'm a man. This board attracts the mentally ill.

>sit in front of screen
>don't draw anything for hours
>it's time for bed

>>4889730
Wagecucking right now and taking this opportunity to say fuck you, you'll get your Goldberg boss one day.

>>4890344
My current boss is a Jew and he's chill.

There's a tool called Cloth in Blender that creates creases like cloth. You just need to click and drag, and a $8000$ quad GPU PC I guess, 'cause mine took 5 minutes every pull. It's so easy to make things with this software. Those hammerhead shark monsters must be the 3D analog of a shitty anime drawing.
But I know that with 2D you have stylistic choice and your voice comes through.
Then I thought about the industry where you're just following instructions and creative input is an obstacle. The ideal is as close a possible to Zbrush but by mashing photos together.
Then I remembered that last time I went on ArtStation I saw the 6000$ furry porn guy and Sakimichan on the front page.
Then I thought about social media where even the nostalgic nods to shit of the past are dying off because people's memories have hollowed out, so the whole popular art panorama is just the same anime slut in the same pose with a different hair color.
Then I thought about the museums' hot button politics and shit on canvases.
Then I thought about the 150 follower Sargent copycats doing pet portraits.
I thought about the sanitized high skill content churners drawing a lot of nothing.
I thought about the hack infotainment YouTubers replacing the obsolete 95 year old workshop gurus in their massively obsolete craft.
Then I thought about the 10 popular kids from Art School of 'Murica infesting every dying niche with the corporate garbage they learned at their internship.
It's finally a thing that being rich is a virtue of its own, whereas in the past it was how you earned it.
Art has completely disintegrated and people are soulless insects.
If you have anything to say with art you might as well not exist.
All that's left is the 5 pages into FWAP animeshitter meme that is "draw only for fun" by which you're supposed to take art as a shitty surrogate of vidya which is probably the best people can think of when it comes to meaning.
I wish I could quit. There's no meaning.

>>4889084
>>4889159
>>4890091
Everything will be fine. (probably)

>wanted to learn drawing a decade ago
>due to messed up enviroment and emotional stuff never did anything serious
>I am old now and fucking tired of my lack of outlets for creativity and lack of escape from dead end jobs
>don't even have a room of my own anymore
I know trying to make money from drawing is a very unlikely stuff, but I wish I didn't waste my time away and actually did the work. It just blows.

>>4890426
I wish I could reasure you, but everything you said is true.

>>4890342
i feel you

Anons I think I am dunning krugering myself. I thought I was okay but whenever I post it on social media I get no response and even the ones who respond are just friends being supportive and not anyone genuinely liking it. When pictures of myself got more likes on Instagram than my art.. that was my breaking point. I know likes are not a measure of anything but it seriously breaks me deep down.

>>4889521
They're working with money launderers anon. Don't compare yourself to useless people.

I'm so confused on what grinding is lots of ppl on here told me not to grind drawabox I still dont get it what's the difference between grinding and practicing

>>4890672
I love this vent. You'll never get a good answer. I just wanted to vent that.

>>4890642
time to ditch social media for art atm anon and just keep your work to yourself, start posting after substantial amount of improvement, it's okay, it takes time.

>>4890680
Not that anon, but is it even possible to like social media after you've focused on yourself? Isn't the entire point of social media to be able to farm likes and awareness of yourself? So it's like self destructive?

>>4890672
You can grind fundies but also don't forget to create something that you really love, it keeps the spirit alive. There will also be a point where you become decent and have to learn more advanced techniques, and some of these are not so enjoyable.

>>4890681
Asn an artist you will have to gain exposure so you need social media, regardless how good you are it will be useless if nobody is seeing it. UNLESS if you are represented by a decent gallery.

>>4890681
>>4890692
Again if you're a total /beg/ you can ditch social media at the moment. Start promoting when you're mid-tier good.

my art has fuck all purpose or direction.

i fucking draw.all i do is draw and its boring uninspired shit with no meaning.

im a fucking talent less hack that clings onto the title of artist purely because i draw relatively average.

im not an artists asshole.FML

>>4890672
I think grinding means doing nothing but practicing/studies with no goal in mind

>>4889196
Thanks for the encouraging words, anon. Gonna get back to it.

>>4889310
I guess I'm a pleb but I don't like cubism at all.

>>4890426
For centuries if you wanted to do art, you did portraits of coddled rich people and left through the servant exit, or you painted for the church. If you had something to say fuck you, the best artist is on the level of the best shoemaker because it was essentially an artisan craft. The very best would get top tier commissions where they get to run wild and do things how they wanted (but still limited to what was en vogue / requested in terms of subject matter).

Things eventually relax just in time for the industrial revolution and lithographic printing and now art is commodified and the most reliable living you can make in art is illustration, i.e. art meant to accompany a publication, advertisement, a postcard etc.

Fine art is prestigious but you STILL don't get to express yourself and make it because it's tied to a gallery scene and you gotta paint the popular subject matter in the popular genre etc.

People rebel against the strictures of gallery scene and expressionism pops, then modern art etc. but LOTS of artists fall by the wayside due to wrong place / wrong time.

There's the better part of a century of pop art, art speculation, more fragmented gallery scene, new technologies and uses for commercial art etc. Someone can just do what they want and explode into celebrity - EVEN if they suck.

That time has passed. It was a blip.

Like everything else art has gotten cheaper, computers have made it easier to make, easier to spread, and therefore worth less. There are more opportunities than ever but all of them make less money. Everything is decided algorithmically so similar pretty pictures explode and create entire genres of copycat artists painting the same "Pretty girl but half of her face is crying" or something like that. Just like it was when it was picture of rich guys kids, or pretty picture of bible stories.

Do what you have to to make a living (art or otherwise) and express yourself in your personal work, just like artists have always.

>>4889034
I just want to draw good, please

>>4890426
Best /ic/ post I've seen in 4 years

>>4889512
try taking a break?

why doing stuff is so hard? anything I do takes me so much effort to start.

>>4890794
It is a new thing and the brain is resting doing new stuff.

>>4890642

You're just not good enough. The people who get likes for /beg/ work put in 24/7/365 replying to others, talking to others, mass liking; being social in general.

If that's not your character and you want to attract by skill alone but aren't then you now realize your shit sucks.

My drawings look good but I can't color it in.

>>4889099
Everyone saying you need mileage but developing it by doing (only) fundies stuff is boring, what worked for me is copying some artists i like and then go back to loomis or whatever so when i try to apply the stuff it works better

>>4889140
i think what would work for you is to be delusional and tell yourself fuck it am gonna the same stuff in 1 year, who cares about realistical expectations at this point we all going to die anyways, believe in yourself anon

i cant seem to get better at drawing, ive taken art classes and

I feel like I'll never reach my goal

>>4890887
my drawings look bad, and they look even worse when I try to color them

>>4890887
Why can't you color them in? Just a lack of energy or..? Surely, you can at least put the flats down, right? You don't have to go ham with the shading, there's a lot of little tricks you can add onto just the flats and people like it. You don't have to go into rendering or anything right away. Plenty people are successful and they just slap on flats even if said flats are a little messy.

>>4890887
>>4890983
Same. I think the drawing looks great, I slap on flats and think holy shit, was the drawing this bad from the beginning? I assume that means there's a way to draw for the sake for colors instead of drawing for the sake of the drawing?

>became ranger
>got my tab
>making 6 figures checking IDs at a airfield in maryland
I cant acknowledge my own fucking achievements because I feel drawing is more important. I understand that realistically I am more successful than most artists but that just feels like a giant cope. I just can't draw what I want to fucking draw and it makes me so angry when furryporn dudes have better skill than me. Fuck.

I’m fucking tired of political threads, of shit generals full of weirdos, of low effort bait, of /begs/ giving crits unironically and of nmi myself.

>>4891065
Usually something is wrong with your lines but you didn't notice until adding colors. Try blocking in the colors or values from the beginning and then drawing your lines on top of that and see if it makes any difference.

>>4890799
it is not only new stuff tho, it is everything, it just takes so much effort to do even the simple stuff. and at the end of the day not everything gets done.

when i was a kid, i used to breeze through school. i never studied. it was so easy for me. i was always bored. i hated everyone else for being dumb. i wanted to skip grades. on the occassion where i didnt have time to get something done, and id have gotten a bad grade so instead i would prefer to get a zero. i wanted the teacher to see that if i try at all i get perfect grades and if dont get a perfect score its because i didnt even try. but my teachers were too stupid and too callus. they just averaged the grades and id end up with a B.

be me be an adult. ask myself why i didnt go to art school when i was young.

>what if i was afraid that if i tried my best it still wouldnt be good. so instead i gave myself an excuse why i couldnt apply and reach my full potential.

>>4891702
Fuck art school, all the best resources are out there free or near to it. You have plenty of time left.

>>4891702
Are you me? Except instead of art school it was not drawing more, only like once a month.

>>4891708
my grandfather offered to pay and i said i didnt want a teacher. i wanted to do it on my own. ego fucks you. a teacher would have helped.

>>4891717
same for a long time, but since last year i draw everyday. still not as good as properly classes with a good teacher.

I want to draw more but my upper back hurt so much.

>>4891734
what causes that? Is it leaning forward too much?

>>4891734
i used to think my chair was causing that or my wallet. it was usually between my spine and shoulder blade. it was stress.quit that job, never had the pain again.

decided to work on my flaws in my artwork, started drawing squares and circles, jesus christ i didnt think i was so fucking bad please for the love of god kill me

>>4891812
I remember I tried to draw a dinnerplate with some food on it once. Almost gave up drawing

>>4891812
He would prefer you live and learn.

I'd like the freedom to draw and post loli/shota, but attracting and rewarding people who are possibly ok with harming actual children makes me feel bad. I just don't feel right limiting myself when it comes to fiction.

>>4891852
You're appeasing them with your drawings. If they vent their lust on their drawings they won't harm children

art school is a meme. Draw from young. I can school you. I am from fine arts.

>>4891852
Artist never gave a fuck about that, they just drew for themselves. It's like trying to blame yourself for continuing to consume and further hurting the world.

>>4889261
Idk if you're gonna read this but I can definitely relate to that struggle, anon. I'm worried that all the effort in putting in just isn't reaping any rewards and the advice of "just keep drawing" isn't working out. I don't have any advice to give you and I still have yet to find a solution to this problem myself but I thought maybe you'd feel better you're not having this issue by yourself. I think you can still be able to get better though after finding a method or structure that works for you. Remember not to lose sight of why you draw and try to always hold onto the joyful parts of drawing. If you don't keep that, then you're gonna be in for a rough ride. Keep pushing through my friend.

>>4891852
It's fiction. Draw what you want and fuck everyone else. If everyone worried about fiction like this, we'd go nowhere fast. It's the beauty of fiction. You can do anything with it and nobody gets hurt. Draw the things you like and everything will be fine.

My grand father died a couple years ago. Dumb shit greedy cunts of a family finally finished arguing over his will. i pulled out of the running for anything because honestly fuck that, I don't want to pick over his remains and dont want his money or the shitty fights that came with it.
Man was so fucking lit until cancer took him. I remember him showing me all these drawings he did, legit good portraits of people. I got a handful of them in an envelope marked with my name.
I haven't draw in 10 years but tried to draw again. I can barely remember his face and now want to die.

God i fucking hate arts non linear progression. I can go to gym and lift every day for 5 years and then be able to squat fucking 500 pounds but still can't draw a box in perspective after 3 months of trying each day

>>4889099
obvious bait.

>>4890080
fast way to solve that, no joke:
• wash your face with soap more than once each day. special soaps for pimples do more harm than good in the long run.
• each week try to reduce in half the amount of fries, hamburgers, fast food and greesy food you eat. 100% effective in reducing pimple frequency and severity.
• do basic exercises, and after doing that, clean. this helps, but if you are succesful avoiding trash/fast food for a few weeks + cleaning you will notice your skin heals and looks better.

>>4890180
a teacher in a tutorial i watched said: repeating a bad technique will make you an expert in doing it bad.

also he said that what matters is to be able to understand the real the mistakes by analyzing properly each step for classical composition. after getting right the basic rules and the techniques, doing consciously each step in a draw, you can improve faster in few days if you already have decent pulse.

>>4891852
How do you know you aren't already attracting those people? Most loli/shotacons know to stay away from reality or aren't attracted to real kids in the first place, but pedos are far, far more common than you'd think, even in places you'd least expect it. I knew a guy who drew thicc mature porn and only had that on sites that didn't allow loli but drew porn of real kids on sites that allowed it and talked about how he loved this or that 8-year-old's ass. You really never know.

>>4891931
>lift for 5 years
>compares it to 3 months of drawing
Fix your perspective in your head first before the box's perspective.

>>4891942
Is hand soap okay? What kind of soap? Dish soap? What about body soap?

>>4892042
ME JUST WANT TO LIFT HEAVY THING LIKE I HAVE DONE ALL MY LIFE
IT SIMPLE BUT HARD
drawing is not simple and is hard

>>4892042
it's an extra dumb comparison because first 3 months of lifting are disgustingly productive in terms of gains for a raw beginner. drawing gains are fucking depressing on that kind of scale.

>>4891889
I will. Im just scared since we might very well be doomed to ngmi for things we cannot change. Every retard likes to pretend hard work will beat everything but there is plenty of us who live by it and in the end might never get to accomplish their dreams.

Despite learning how to draw being arguably one of the hardest skills one can try to teach themselves, I find the community is pretty supportive compared to other hobbies i've tried getting into.

>Try to teach myself higher levels of math
>go to /sci/ for advice
>they tell me that my IQ is too low and that I don't have the aptitude for higher level mathematics and that I should stop wasting my time
>try to teach myself programming
>go to /g/ for advice
>they tell me my code is awful and im too dumb to be a programmer
>come to /ic/ for art advice
>ppl get pissed if you can't draw

>>4892290
>Go to /fit/
>After navigating board memes I get good advice which helps improve my life
>Go to /g/
>After navigating board memes I get good advice which allows me to learn programming to assist on my daily tasks
>Go to /ic/
>After navigating memes the only thing you get is insults, crab posting and terrible advice which only aims for you to sabotage you into hating art
/ic/ might very well be THE worst board of 4chan

>>4892301
if you had a ligameme it wouldn't have come to this.

I just want to stop being conscious.

Is it me, or have the mods been deleting a lot of threads lately? Maybe it's just me.

I've been up since four in the morning and I haven't drawn a line.

>>4891942
My main issue is that
>exercises
Seems to be the problems. I’ve gone a couple days to a week without lifting and even without washing my face, it cleared up by itself. It seems that excercise is the cause, but even if I wash my face, it doesn’t seem to do much. FFFUFUUUUCCKCKK

>>4892647
And I eat healthy for the most part, very little fast food, if ever

joining /dad/ was a mistake

>>4892729
A single glance at their threads should be enough to tell you that you shouldn't even touch that thing with a 10 foot pole.

I have 702 artists I follow on instagram.
When I see a picture I really like I share it to my stories.
I compiled every artist whose work I've shared over the last year.
At the time I followed and shared their work, I knew nothing about the artists themselves personally as far as race religion nationality politics gender etc.

Made a top 10 list based only on the number of times I shared and when I shared I did not have in mind that I would eventually compile stats about the shares.


What countries are they from?

3 from USA
2 from UK
2 from Japan
1 from Indonesia
1 from France
1 from Taiwan

It's all Asian and white dudes. Not a single one of them posted any kind of tranny flags or blm shit on their profiles.

It is kind of amazing that my brain, my subconscious was able to filter good art or... it's amazing that the hierarchy of life exists in every field including art, and no matter what big tech tries to do to put their thumb on the scale, the end result is always gonna be the same. This is how merit organizes human beings.

It's not that I don't follow black or hispanic or female or gay artists. I do, but somehow none of them managed to crack the top 10. And there is a big gap between 10th and 11th.

It's incredible. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.

Or better yet , give me good non white or asian male artists. I want to be proven wrong.

>>4892779
Or your racial biases influence the things you post. Is that not common sense?

>>4892290
>>4892301
Learning to draw just takes too much time. And Loomis isn’t a fucking meme. Drawabox is also really good, despite what all the stagnant beginners tell you here. What other meme advice have you been getting? Most sayings passed around here have helpful truths to them. Even getting insulted is helpful, as artists are incredibly prone to ego

>>4889034
Stuck with a shitty pc, making some animation projects extra difficult to do with only 4gb of ram. At least I can work on regular digital drawings on the other hand during this shitty year.

>>4892792
its possible but if so its subconscious. without knowing the race or nationality or gender of the artist, my brain decided that these were the best works, and it turns out that those are are white and asian dudes.

>>4892779
norasuko is a buff black dude but hes not a whiny faggot

>>4892118
Google it. Do your research or go ask another board like /adv/

>>4890342
That blank canvas haunts me, man...

>>4893004
Color your canvas. A white page is intimidating, even for writers. Coloring your canvas may help you start easier.

>>4889034
I was drawing occasionally for about 4 years, finally managed to save up to be a neet for a year, got recently some commissions but it takes me almost a fuckin week to finish a single piece, I'd rather off myself that going back in the wage cage.

>>4893025
What's taking you so long to finish pieces?
Procrastination?

>>4893025

>>4890672
grinding as in mindlessly draw just for the sake of drawing, its what the retards here do to convince themselves that theyre improving

>>4893030
A combination of procrastination and lack of mileage especially when drawing hands, it takes me a couple o hours to draw a pair of hands that don't look like a bunch of crooked twigs, i managed to reduce the amount of time procrastinating but I just won't able to cheat myself out of lack of mileage

>>4892963
is that a fucking joke? this disgusting westaboo trash?

Im so
Depressed

Why is everything so expensive
I havnt been getting enough good
Commissions so I havnt paid my electric bil for a good few months
I owe them 700 dollars

>got my caffeine tolerance to the point where I'm focused for an hour before I crash and take a nap again
>know if I quit I'm gonna be a tired piece of shit for weeks and lose all my gains
>will probably crack and have to deal with this again in another 6 months
i just wanna draw

>>4893065
hes better than you, ok?

I'm getting the most random mutual followings from japs that I followed like a year ago the fuck is going on

You ever noticed that /ic/ is extremely supportive of anons that are total shit, but when it comes to anons who are just decent then they either get no feedback or harshly negative feedback? Just an interesting thought.

>>4893365
That support is often ironic.

>>4893365
found a (you) junkie

>>4893365
I think it's kind of because different artist levels will require different teaching levels. Most people giving advice are past /beg/ so it's relatively easy to offer advice. But for people in the "made it" section, it's harder to teach /beg/ level artists for some reason.
For decent artists, stuck in that middle ground, it can be difficult to teach. You aren't sure just what they know and don't. You aren't sure what their end goal is. It's usually easier to assume they're on the better side of "decent" and it can lead to some feedback being harsher. That said, "harsh" also varies. What some people consider "harsh" could just be regular concrit and they're bad at taking critique. Harsh could be near useless depending on the artist as well or it could just be trolls.
There's a lot of variables when it comes to giving advice to the middle ground artists. With /beg/ artists, it's more of a "here's a very clear direction you can go" or the usual "gmi or ngmi". Giving advice can seem easy, and it's easier for some, but it can be really difficult depending on the subject. For myself, I think I'm in the upper end of "decent" maybe. Not /beg/ for sure. There are some cases of /beg/ that I just cannot give advice for. Perhaps it's too vague or far too early for them that it's hard for me to give concrete advice when they don't know what direction to go in themselves.
I'm rambling a bit at this point, but I don't know, I'm dont talking about this and that's my 2 cents.

>>4893365

>>4893388
Actually, it's mocking instead of support

I usualy draw in two styles:one more cartoony and the other more "realistic"

But recently I just dont know If I want to keep the realistic one anymore.
On the other hand,I feel like the cartoony style can't grow without the more realistic one.

>>4893414
combine them
experiment more

>deliver commission
>notice mistakes

>>4893418
Fix them and send the new one. Contact them beforehand if you want them to not spread it around yet, if applicable... Or just live with the mistakes and strive to do better next time.

>>4893025
Unironically Take a break. You're putting too much pressure on yourself and if you keep going like this, you're gonna break anyways.

give yourself, say a week or two and do whatever the fuck you want, play vidya, talk with friends, whatever brings you happiness and comfort, and when you come back you'll be fresh as a lettuce

>>4893365
No. I have been shit all the time and just get insults.

>>4892814
>What other advice
I don't think people telling me to kill myself or just responding with reaction images making fun of me constitutes as advice.

>>4893380
trying to give specific advice to most /beg/s is a crapshoot because there's no consistency at this level and you've got a sample size of 1 drawing. there's not enough info to tell what's causing success or failure in any part, and the solution to most of it is to draw more and review the basics.

>>4893298
no

>>4893798
dunning kruger

I honestly think like my hardlimit for drawing is rather low and I fear it. So I don't draw so I don't hit it so I don't improve so I feel bad for not drawing because I don't improve. Anyone feel the same way?

>>4893757
You're right in a way, but it's not like you only have one post to talk to them. Sometimes it's easy to tell what a /beg/ *could* focus on. Like a lot of /beg/'s need to practice line control and get out of the chicken scratch phase. Which, is the basics, but some people just don't know where to go because the basics is a LOT for a /beg/.
Even if it's just based off of one drawing, I try and give some good points and bad points. Because every drawing has positives and negatives to them. From there, maybe I'll offer some nudges on studies or techniques they can look into. Because every little thing helps in the long run, even if it's not certain it's the very next step an artist *should* take, it'll still be helpful.

>>4893240
Keep yaself hydrated my anon, you’re sleeping after an hour cuz caffeine is diuretic and you’re pissin you juices out a lot

>>4889276
I'm 30 and I was a neet until earlier this year, I just applied to everything even if I wasn't qualified, picked random choice on the surveys, half assed the applications, got a few call backs and now I have a job. I had no bank, cell phone or anything. I think the key was applying to everything instead of 1-2 here and there.

>>4893852
What's your goal after that? Just build yourself back up slowly?

This one female coworker at work is really bad at her job we have to clean up after her because she's too lazy to do anything.

She's a technician. But refuses to actually do any laborous work. So whenever a job calls for her to get her hands dirty, she just makes up some reason why she can't do it, then has it rescheduled then goes shopping at Target. Fucking hate that bitch so much I hope she gets fired soon.

>>4893112
Why not just get a job...? Not everyone can be like Miles DF and make thousands of dollars per commission.

You fell for a meme.

>>4889099
just ghost your lines and do Superimposed Lines
that's essentially the first homework of drawabox

i don't know how these faggots are just telling you pleasantries instead of real advice

>>4890941
>copying
i mean kinda, but actually try to make your own designs and play with what you like
that's gonna be your soul. fundies can be learned at anytime, but inspiration is rare

>>4889126
remember GCAT
gesture > construction > anatomy > tone

also remember to ghost your lines

>>4889204
are you self taught?
that probably means you never got a good grasp on the fundamentals and never got the proper guidance
its okay dude, thats really what is holding most /beg/s back. more designer than craftsmen

>>4890672
am i grinding if i'm redoing lessons? a lot of my mistakes i feel from me not understanding the material completely at first or i was just rushing/being lazy for some reason
i'm still anaylzing myself and what i'm doing wrong

>>4894295
How can I overcome not having access to a teacher and failing to grasp fundamentals after constant practice?

>>4889150
RIP
>>4889152
do you use pixiv?
>>4889491
In my defense, it was an ongoing comic rather than an illustration that was unfavorited, and it's a small community where everyone knows each other. Which leads me to believe the story progression wasn't appreciated to the point where it ruined the entire thing for them. At least, thats what my brain wants to sabatoge me into thinking.

>>4894313
explore every learning resource you can, but never forget to draw the things you want even if they don't come out the way you want them too
that'll always be your soul

upset im a poor fuck and not some rich person who has family to help me pay to survive Nd afford art supplies and instead I'm stuck barely getting by

im sick of loomis and how to draw and doing boxes even tho im improving
sometimes i draw loomis old men as jews and goblins but still its not as fun as the books title indicates
also it makes me look down on coom i used to enjoy because now i see more errors

>>4890732
>Painting the God that you feverishly believed in
>Painting a portrait of your literal King or other nobles who at least respected your craft enough to let you do your craft
>Painting French thots who at the very least fucked you silly afterwards
>Painting Venuses or other mythological shit that is rooted in human culture
Is in your mind as low as drawing anime porn or nondescript meme garbage that will be forgotten tomorrow
All for Exposure™ or in the best of cases, minimum wage.
OK

>>4894364
Art is something that you need to be kind of privledged in order to pursue seriously.

Even back in ancient times only people that came from rich families could practice it.

>>4894364
you have internet
a cheap chinese ssd costs $20 on ebay
and the video course thread

suck some cock behind winn dixie if you need cash for pencils and paper

>like drawing stuff
>go to a school about design and stuff that involve drawing
>discovering that drawing is a small part of the work
>students less skilled than me have better grades because they can explain the reflexion behind their project
>This didn't help me to improve
>I'm mentally exhausted

I think about dropping out, at the end of the day I'm just a technician that dream a lot.

fagatron zoomer tried to jack my name and bribe it off me

which also explains all the email hacks I been getting, fuck zoomers

>>4889196
based anon

>>4894450
i wouldn't have an issue about this if industry people didn't become sjws who do nothing but talk down on the common man

I think looking at other artists has made me lazy and worse overall. It's not like I compare myself to them overtly but it just feels like I'm doing too much of it.

>>4894292
100% right

>>4894292
100% wrong. The idea that inspiration just magically appears is so naive and misguided. The more you draw the more ideas you get. Your brain runs on momentum. The more practice you get the more ideas you'll have. It's a myth that you will work on the technical aspects you'll lose your creativity. That's a trap that a lot of begs fall into. You're afraid you're gonna lose your creativity if you take a proper class or make normie art. Doesn't work like that. You're afraid and that will hold you back. I draw everyday. I never run out of ideas. didn't used to. draw anything. draw your shoes. draw a soda bottle. but try to learn something or apply something new you learned FUNDIES to each drawing.

i'll never be good enough

>>4894868
Good enough for what?

>>4889099
practice your stokes. things are way too chicken scratchy.

>>4894880
for love

>>4894952
That's pretty gay

>>4894478
>reflexion behind their project
Nigga make shit up, it's art, if you sound confident you'll o fine

>>4894819
When you "look" what are you doing? Are you trying to deconstruct and recreate their drawing on your own canvas? Are you looking into the smaller details that make up the whole? Are you looking at the bigger picture?
Or are you just admiring their works without much throught?
>>4894839
Great advice!

>>4894839
>The idea that inspiration just magically appears is so naive and misguided
you've never listened to a good song and felt like drawing? you stupid dude

I want to spend my time drawing but I have to study calculus and other gay stuff

>>4894959
I AM gay
I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay I'm gay
THERE I SAID IT

>>4895059
It's okay anon, we all have a lil faggot inside of us

I get disappointed when I watch artists I like on stream. I can't help but to think of them as gods, but then I see them struggling and bleeding, just like us. It never gets any easier, does it?

>>4893007
I'll try it.
Is there a "best" color when it comes to that? I've seen people use grey.

>>4895078
Anything but white should help. That said, when I do it, I try and put a color based on my mood or what I plan to draw. I find it can help my inspiration and carry the flow of the piece. I still keep it a light color, but going a darker color can work too. Just experiment and find which you like best. Some artists pick a color and always use that color, some people change it up.

>>4895077
It will get easier, but your old problems will be replaced with new ones. Some people still grow content, even with those new problems, as long as they can "make it." When you watch the streams, make sure you study what they do. Even better, ask questions.

>>4895077
they can't feel the form, if you want the best gods of drawing, and drawing alone so no painting, inking, composition, etc. you should look for renowned animators

>>4894868
>>4894952
If you think getting good at art will make you more likeable you couldn't be more wrong.

>>4895069
Thank you, anon. I realize now my sexuality. I was upset at not wanting to accept who I am and being hurt about my love not noticing my affection.

>>4895077
When I watch artists I like on stream they effortless shit good art all while talking and listening to music. Makes me feel truly subhuman

>>4889273
we're all going to make it.

>>4894363
Thanks. But that just makes me think my soul is as bad as my art

>>4895145
Lol, you think they're listening to music and watching anime at the same time? The music 99% of the time is channeled through another funnel only the viewers can hear and not the artist. And the games (usually shitty mobile games) are on auto in another window. Half the time they're not even looking at the game.

>>4895139
Glad I could make you like girls again bro

>>4895154
>Watching anime
>Games
Where did this come from? I said they listen to music, talk and answer questions

>>4895161
Juggling 6 balls while balancing a checkbook on your head and singing the American anthem. Whatever. Same thing.

All music audio goes through a virtual audio jack. Most pro streamers do this. It's so that the audio (their speech) and be monitored at all times without the music getting in the way. Jake from State Farm talks and answers questions while keying in your insurance?

>>4895129
You must be a love expert. Tell me, when will I find true love again? And this time with a woman?

>>4895171
Most artists are not pro streamers and know most people just mute their streams so they play whatever they want to listen to

>>4895176
No such thing as true love.

>>4895179
hol up *ring ding ding ding ding ding ding ding* is that a... fellow Rick and Morty fan i see? Ok, now THIS is epic. I can't believe you've done thi-

I drew pic related. It's currently at 498 notes on Tumblr, and only at 11 likes on Twitter.
What am I doing wrong? Why is it that my drawings always get more traction on Tumblr, a dead site, while on sites exploding with users I can't get noticed? Are my drawings just really bad and people on Tumblr have bad taste in art? I know that's probably the answer desu, but I've been drawing seriously for a couple years now and I'm starting to get discouraged.

>>4895179
I don't believe you. What I felt was real.

>>4895198
you need to post at least every 3 days, bonus points if it's relatable art, coom, funny or edgy angst teen bait

>>4895198
It was probably tagged on tumblr. Nobody uses tags on twitter.

>>4895207
The feeling always dies out

>>4895212
my heart will never fade for (you)

Don't mix up friendship with love next time.

>>4889099
Fuck Loomis, if he is so great why has he not posted anything in like 60 years?

>>4895248
Okay....................*sniff*

>>4895276
He's grinding boxes

>>4895029
music isnt magic and its instantly available on high spped internet.

>>4895198
the drawing is nice. twitter is fucking awful for art. i cant wait till we move onto something else.

>>4892779
>like and follow thing
>all powerful algorithms gives you more of thing and show you less of other things
>"guise ive cracked the social code"
we sheepposting tonite

Keep getting Interrupted whenever in flow state by my dumb family.
They just won't let me practice in peace and quiet.

>"Oh I'll start drawing once I find something to listen to on youtube while I draw, but I'm getting kinda bored of music."
>End up wasting my entire day off on youtube watching clips from movies I'm never going to actually care enough to fully watch and animal vids
>Draw absolutely nothing
I find excuses not do draw constantly and it ALWAYS has something to do with the internet. It's never anything actually productive. I'm not sure if I have an addiction or just a lack of focus

>draw religiously for 1 month straight
>finally begging to really understand it, to the point i can visually see where all everything connects. Get drawing right first try
>take 2 days off for life shit
>forget everything. Can't even draw a circle after 2 hours of warmups
I fucking hate my career choice.

>>4895651
you're stressing yourself out to much

>>4892301
This, its amazing how bitter some people are on this board. Maybe its because with lifting and programming, there's a clear path of progression, but the fact that there's so many bitter people on /ic/ that actively try to drag down other beginners and chase off actual competent artist.

>>4893798
pyw

>>4892930
Or you just like things that white and asian dudes usually draw?

>>4891852
I feel pretty similar. Death threats and weirdos.

I've used the internet for social interaction since I was old enough to go to school and aside from my wagecuck job I'm basically a shut in. It feels like every time someone wants to say things have gotten worse, someone else says they were always bad. It's true, it was never really "good" so to speak, but it's not true in the slightest that things haven't changed for the worse. Everything is USA-centric even if you're not. I find myself loathing the welcoming communities of super lefties who never shut the fuck up about inclusiveness and politics and brown and white and how much they hate JP culture despite consuming and idolizing the content. You can't make jokes, even about yourself, without someone trying to control you, and if you think wrong or draw wrong they'll swarm you and chase you out. But righties aren't great either, and they spew religious and politic shit that I can't stand and some of them go crazy if you think wrong or draw wrong just the same. There is no middle ground, there is no having fun on the internet anymore.

I just want to go back where I could draw whatever and at worst people would call me a dyke or a dumb fujo or tell me to get back in the kitchen instead of attacking my entire character as a person, trying to analyze my psyche through my drawings and internet posts to determine how I am either a No Good racist or a godless heathen, and trying to run me off forever so that I have no one to show my work to. I just want to be acknowledged, I want to make something someone else likes, I just want to enjoy the things I like and be around other people who do the same. I feel so much despair and hopelessness. The internet and art have always been a huge part of me.

No friends, no job, no money, almost no family. Little by little all the things I love have gone away. It's been years I don't know what to do with my life. What I like to draw and could get me some quick bucks leads me to ridiculous risks due to moronic laws in my country. I am drifting away from life and I don't know how to "step back in". I have no goal on this earth. No one to fight for, no dreams to accomplish. I am not made for this world.
I've tried to understand what's wrong with me. I sometimes ask myself if I am autistic (for real, not for the meme) or if it's just about growing up with messed up parents or even if I am simply overthinking.
I don't know what to do and there is no magic answer but man, I am tired to be here.

Repeat after me:
"I'm ngmi!"

>>4895703
Same hat... Feelsbadman...
The closest to this is 4chan, but only if you use the right boards, and even then people are just pieces of shit on here too regardless of the board you're on...
What I always thought would help, is a darknet site for artists. Nothing sketchy (besides sketching) literally just because the darknet is a part of the internet most people don't bother looking into. There would be less activity, less "numbers" but probably better communities to make up for it. I imagine it would be better than any clearnet sites community wise anyway...

I bet there already are darknet sites for artists, I just have yet to find them.

I imagine non-english platforms probably have better communities. Not the best, but probably better than any American-centric platforms.

>>4895176
Get a dog if your a man. You'll find love if you lower your standards if you're a woman.

>>4895703
>a dyke or a dumb fujo or tell me to get back in the kitchen
Had me until then. You people made the internet the way it is now.

>>4892814
>Even getting insulted is helpful, as artists are incredibly prone to ego
you're not being insulted by people trying to actually help. you're being insulted by crabs insecure about their own art

>>4895806
I already have a dgoe and she's helped me a lot over the years t b h
but dgoeys can only fill the void to a certain extent

>>4895703
>I just want to go back where I could draw whatever and at worst people would call me a dyke or a dumb fujo
God I wish we could go back to those times. They sucked, but at least the risk wasn't "get doxxed for having a '''bad''' opinion and have your IRL life destroyed" kind of suck. I miss being able to draw what I liked, without holding back in fear of some mob going after me over a fucking drawing. It feels stifling not being able to truly create fiction I want to create because of these modern asshats trying to go for woke points. I don't even think most of them look into the future, at what damage they will cause in the long run. All they care is everyone following their ideals.
I'm fucking sick of the black and white mentality. It makes me not want to post my art at all. I wonder just how many artists feel the same? How many just don't post because they don't want to deal with that headache? All the amazing art and stories that may never see the light of day because of all this bullshit.

>>4892290
>Despite learning how to draw being arguably one of the hardest skills one can try to teach themselves
for other skills the education is actually well thought out. The teachers, trainers, and coaches have been considering for generation on how to present information to different types of brains and restarting from the early fundementals.

We all understand that if you want to learn math some people are better with imagining numbers and formulas, others need to start with blocks to understand a concept.

wheres the consideration of that in art?

>>4895819
Do you have friends?

>>4895838
There isn't one.

And probably won't be for a very long time.

There's a proven curriculum for learning music and how to play just about any instrument, but nothing like that exists for learning how to draw.

>>4895819
Beat your dick like it owes you money then. Or get a hooker. I'll tell you this, most women will never love you for who you are, they'll love you for what you can do for them. Maybe you'll get lucky, but your damn sure making it harder on yourself by being a whiny faggot that post anime girls while he cries.

Go work on yourself. Find your masculinity first and foremost. Get healthy and then get good at something that you truly love.

>>4895815
>you people
I had you until then because you would not have been able to pick me out as one without me saying so. I am not the sole person responsible of forwarding this wack internet culture of extremists, I just draw weaboo art. I know it sucks, I know everything feels like it's on a downward spiral but I don't care about all that shit. I just want to live and make shitty art and have friends without having to hear about presidents or SJWs or how evil nips are or worrying about people literally wishing for my death over anime whether it's some BL shit or Mashiro-tan. I'm so tired. I don't even disagree with you.

>>4895802
Non english speaking fans do tend to be more the type to just avoid things they hate and maybe complain about it privately, but if a bunch of obnoxious weebs find your shit you'll get dogpiled. Comments can be ignored, for sure, but I can't pretend it's that easy not to care what other people are saying.

>>4895820
I deleted my stuff. I have seen people act in agreement of just letting people do as they will, but when it came to drawing girls or anything to do with anime suddenly support or understanding was gone. Rick and Morty porn was OK but Kanna et al. were off limits. Your rights stop where my fetish ends.

>>4895868
to many artists like being experts rather than teachers when they share their process.
there is not a single good "drawing tutorial" meme images out there that is good for actual education purpsoes.

>>4895838
Its simply not being taught in most schools. The number one thing that you need to understand to be able to get better at art is to always have goals.

Why art education is so garbage is because modern art subvert the idea of art being a craft. Once that went out the window, all education outside of ateliers shifted towards fostering "concepts and ideas" rather then skill. Also, no one that truly has skills as an artist, would work as a full time teacher, so you'll seldom see anyone with proper teachable knowledge in these institutions.

>>4895897
>Also, no one that truly has skills as an artist, would work as a full time teacher, so you'll seldom see anyone with proper teachable knowledge in these institutions
with how limited art careers can be i don't see why not.

>>4890308
I'm a male girl

>>4895865
>>4895883

I don't have any. My only social interaction is here on 4chan. I guess if anyone ever gets really close to me, even if it's a guy, I can't tell the difference between friends or romantic relationship. It happened only once IRL with a coworker who was nice to me. He had normie taste in anime but at least he was the only person who had some interest in stuff like that. And he would buy me breakfast and pat my head and stuff. He wasn't gay, he had a girlfriend. I saw him like an older brother actually more than anything homo. But sometimes I would think about the things he's done for me and my chest would tighten.

I don't get those feelings for girls. The only girl in my life that I felt that way towards was a girl in high school who apparently liked me back but I never acted on being upfront because I was just too shy. I would think of her constantly and I still do till this day sometimes...if I feel like jacking off to the thought. But she's obviously with another man by now, and with kids. .......why am I typing all this

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm going to die alone. But at least if I try really hard at drawing then maybe I can one day get a large following and be a yuutuuba artist personality and feel like I have a bunch of people who actually care about me.

my ego as an artist is too large, growing up having my dick licked over any little doodle I did. some of my work is aging like milk. I'm too busy to improve now that school has begun. I feel like I'm regressing

>>4895886
Not him but,
>I can't pretend it's that easy not to care what other people are saying.
This is true completely. You can ignore all you like, but some things just get to you. I've spoken with large content creators about this subject and yeah, it's not like they ignore it all the time. Sometimes there are great comments hidden in all the shit. Ignoring all of your fanbase can only last for so long. Ignoring flood of bullshit is only so effective. There are some comments that are clearly just troll bullshit, but some comments just really stick to you. Whether you want them to or not.
>Your rights stop where my fetish ends.
This really hits the nail on the head. I can't wrap my head around this. It's fiction. Where anybody can do anything and nobody gets hurt. You can easily ignore content you don't like. But people just expect you to bow to their whims, their tastes, and their preferences. You can be their idol, but as soon as you do something they don't like in any capacity, they rally up and start screaming at you.
It doesn't matter what I draw. No matter how "edgy" or "obscene."
It's a fucking drawing. A fictional character.
I just can't understand how they want to police content creators to such an extreme extent. What baffles me more is when you defend yourself, and then they decide to plug their ears and not listen because "they're right, you're wrong."

It pisses me off and frustrates me to no end. I could rant about this bullshit for hours, but fuck if I want to use that much energy... Not like anyone listens nowadays.
I'm just lucky the friend group I happened upon is an accepting bunch. If I didn't rely on my art to get food on my table, I'd just post to very niche communities and that's that.

It's a shame that their extreme actions really did lead to people sharing less content in the long run. "Good" or "bad." It hurts everyone in the end. God it upsets me so much.

>>4895908
I've heard that lonely people often confuse feelings of friendship with romantic ones. I've seen it happen so you're not alone there.
If it's hard IRL then try making friends online. Maybe try finding them through games, join a discord or try anything where you can find people with similar interests. Make sure you don't overstep your boundaries though.

>>4895930

I'll try giving discord another shot and find some servers outside of this site. I haven't really used the app in years (like daily 24/7). At some point I just stopped using it but I think the fault came from some incident a few years ago but that's really because this site has too many trolls.

>>4895902
Being a teacher is way more stressful and pays less if you don't have tenure. Also, if your where to work at a company, there's a path where you can move to upper management, not so much as a teacher at a university. I do agree with you that a lot of people would benefit if more skilled artist became teachers later on in life.

>>4895908
Anon, you should just go to therapy. Your mindset is incredibly unhealthy. 4chan being your only social interaction is beyond fucked. Go play a game and talk to people or something.

At this point, I'm convinced that the pedo and furry generals are being coordinated by 4chan janitors in an attempt to change the overall paradigm of /ic/.

Their end goal? I'm not entirely sure at the moment, but my current hypothesis is that it involves turning the board into such a shitfest admin intervention would be paramount.

>>4895987
Go back to painting fruit baskets faggot. The status quo can go fuck itself.

>>4895987
Just filter the threads you don't like out and then fuck off. It's not hard.

>>4895988
>>4895989
Asshurt tranny jannies detected.

Ukemi! I see right through you!

>>4895988
>Go back to painting fruit baskets
>The status quo can go fuck itself.
What?

>>4895987
The loli general was my idea. I made it because
1) there was a furry general first
2) I needed a place to take my mind off another

It's not a secret janiturd co-operation. The only reason why the generals are still alive is I grabbed the mods by the balls and staying in line with the rules. However I'm not really passionate about those at the moment, or /ic/ in general.

>>4895998
Who are you????
I have this instinctual feeling we have met before(on discord).

You may not be a janitor for 4ch, but my sixth sense is telling me you hold a simliar position somewhere else that also happens to be a form of social media.

>>4896007

I'd rather not say. I'm known here for the wrong reasons.

>>4896012
L

>>4896007
>who are you
>he demands on an anonymous website over a topic that's considered controversial
I don't get it

>>4896012
hmmm....
I think I know who you are now.
But i'm like 60% sure.

Either way, I still think that there is a conspiracy behind current /ic/'s shittiness and the mods/trannitors are involved.

>>4896022
/ic/ isn't as big as you think it is, and you can quite easily recognize posters if you can make out unique patterns in their posting styles or information they give.

>>4896012
I'll shit myself if whitebox was the one who created a containment thread because his patrician tastes not only don't allow porn but also lolies

>>4896031
Sure, continue to think that schizo. Go back to your tinfoil hat and learn how to filter threads.

>>4896036
*hits you commit suicide beam*

>>4896022
Hes the same guy who thinks furfag/lolifag generals are a janny psyop, at this point its obvious he isnt smart and/or is very autistic.

>>4896058
>trannitor on full damage control
go join the 40% you swine.

>>4896062
>everyone that doesn't agree with you is a jannie
what
>>4896058
My money is on a little of both, but severe autism for the most part.

>>4892779
What's your top 10?

>>4896058
>>4896063
Your theories are even more baseless than mine.

And that's saying something. If this were a game of among us , you two would be the worst players.

>>4896075
You actually have no basis to assume I'm a jannie. Please, explain why you think I'm a jannie. Elaborate for me.

>>4896079
>>4896079
You are abnormally defensive, and reactionary to my claim, which automatically makes you look quite suspicious.
But pls, carry on....

It's not like I can do much about it if you were actually tranny jannie. You'll just run and hide in your little IRC clubhouse and give your mod overlords bj's under the table in exchange for small opportunity to actually mod your board...

The common meme is "all art is political" and by not understanding that belief I feel like I'm either very uninformed or not narrow-minded enough to get it.

>>4896080
Not really. I just told you to learn how to filter threads. If you don't like something, don't go and seek it out. Even children understand this concept.
Since you can't elaborate, I guess you're confirmed troll. Not like I had any doubts from the get go.

>>4896084
That makes no sense, because in none of my posts did I say " i dont like thing".

My first post was just a hypothesis I had sorry if you lack basic reading comprehension along with your gender dysphoria....

Depressed lazy neet, will learning to draw make me happy?

>>4896098
It could. You should seek therapy as well.

>>4896083
To be clear I know the whole "Media is a reflection of a person's world view" thing but it feels wrong to me when people say a work has to convey some kind of statement in order to be considered "real" art as opposed to "meaningless entertainment".

>>4896098
god no

>Fnally feel comfortable enough drawing to take commissions
>Zero interest
>Not even someone asking if I'd work for cheaper
I don't expect to be popular or successful but it still hurts.

I woke up from a nightmareish dream soaked in sweat and slight paranoia. At least now I'll have something to draw, but I'm worried I'm going schizophrenic 2bh. I don't even know if I want to remember this thing, I'm scared of going to sleep again and going back to it, but it also feels like something important that I should better record and keep an eye for.

>>4896627
What was the dream about

The ringing in my ear is not fun though might be the lack of sleep and stressing out when drawing. I need to fix my schedule

>>4896627
O.o !

>>4896627
Can you tell us what the dream is?

>>4896627
Just sounds like a really bad dream. Take some time to unwind, watch some funny shit on youtube or whatever you find comfort, then head back to bed. If you are worried over your mental stability, like schizophrenia, contact your doctor and go from there. You'll likely be suggested therapy and just remember that you can always request a new therapist if you do not like the one they provide.

>>4889034
we all gonna make anons!

>>4896953
I'm not

I feel like such a fraud. I don't even know why people are following me. I don't deserve anything. I want to delete my blog.

>>4896690
yeah haha

>>4896665
>>4896735
it was about a korean young woman that had lost her memory, she didn't speak english but managed to understand some of my words, when I asked if she had any social media to see if we could reach out to some family member something click for her and she started running in the middle of the night through a cobbled uphill alley that led towards a sort of cemetery, except there were no crosses, only piles of dirt. She walked to the very back of the place, where a wall of mud/dirt stood up. when I finally catched up she was staring at a pit that had just been dug, and across the pit right in front of me was a faceless pitch black human like creature, 2.5 meters tall with a very thin body and long limbs, the blackness made it look bidimensional and out of this world, even though I couldn't see it's face I knew it was looking at me, grinning and waiting for something. The woman looked as she had just understood everything right there and was about to faint. I got the feeling that we had meet before, and that we both had suffered from the same type of curse. It's really hard to explain but it felt like I had just understood why so many things had gone wrong in my life lately, and I was afraid of what was going to happen next now that we had found the creature that was responsible for it. this happened very quickly, some 5 or 10 seconds. after this, the creature suddenly began to run away. I tried to chase it in spite of how terrifying it was to lay eyes on it and managed to hear it say something before it vanished while fleeing through the alley. I woke up and was only able to remember the last three words it said: "[...] your darkest desires."

>>4897479
I get this type of dreams very frequently, where it feels like some of the characters and elements I've dreamt before, and the whole dream has continuity with past dreams. The thing that freaks me out is when it feels like I've had the exact same dream in the past, even though it's insanely complex for it to just repeat by chance. Makes me think something's going wrong with my brain, and then there's those revelation and epiphany like feelings that make me think of schizophrenia. Mostly because the feeling lingers on for a bit after waking up, everything feels like it was a real thing that affects your waking life, even though I know it's just a dream the feeling is hard to shake off.

>>4896741
Thank you, anon. I feel alright now, those terror feelings never last more than an hour but they make me freak out in the moment. I actually fell asleep very easily and had no dreams at all after that one. I started therapy last year but recently stopped because of the covid pandemic, but I'll be sure to mention this new concern next time I see my doctor.

>>4897145
just remember, its just a number
a follow is free

i was feeling so confident in my improvement through studies, but then i started seeing younger artists who figured out what i'm learning right now already
how do i stop feeling depressed about that stuff dudes

>>4898474
Fuck all that, what matters in the end is that you can look back on your own work and be proud of how far you have come and how much hard work you put into it, only compare yourself with your past self, everyone goes at their own pace.

And if for you its harder to learn what younger artists learn with ease, it should show yourself that you have the willpower to keep practicing to get to the same point, and you should be proud of that, so lets go, just keep on drawing!