/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4884565
I don't know which one of these is the new one. The left definitely looks better as a drawing but I like the colors on the right more.

>>4884565
only "better" thing from 2008 compared to now is the artist put more effort on rendering

>>4884565
>Soul vs Soulless
please just slap yourself, moron!

My biggest fear.

>>4884565
it keeps happening to all those artists i used to really like back in the 10s...
Now they "developed further" and worked in videogame/movie industry and all their art looks fucking souless.
PS:
picrelated artist (hes posting here sometimes) is a definition of soul to me still

Despite left being technically better in some ways, I find myself more interested in the right. Maybe it's because left was a redraw and he didn't spend as much time planning the piece.

>>4884673
>Despite left being technically better in some ways, I find myself more interested in the right. Maybe it's because left was a redraw and he didn't spend as much time planning the piece.

I find the complete opposite true. The left one is much more planned and readable than the original. The characters silhouettes are weird and the lines of motions feel off.

>>4884692
>The characters silhouettes are weird and the lines of motions feel off.
Care to explain further? I disagree on which ones more interesting but I'm curious why you think so.

Its the same with Akira Toryiama, his new shit is awful.

>>4884702
not him, but right blanka has wrong build, wrong hair, wrong everything. and for some reason the pose is running sideways instead of intense confrontation.

>>4884723
akira toryiama hasn't had a reason to give a shit in 30 years.

>>4884723
Toriyama doesn't even draw the new manga, he's got a protoge who can copy his style (but not how his characters flow seamlessly through panels)
All he does now is design stuff for Dragon Quest and DBZ related

>>4884723
I don't think he draws manga anymore.

>>4884565
First time I've seen an artist gaining soul

>>4884843
Does this mean if you don't have soulful begshit in the beginning you should give up?

>>4884646
That is georgeous

>>4884723
Toriyama doesn't even draw anymore, unless its for a new Dragon Quest game.

>>4884898
The right is still soulful and good, but the left is an absolute masterpiece that he couldn't hope to improve on.

>>4884565
ive noticed with a lot of these the newer version always looks soulless because the original was already good. instead of drawing something new they just go over the original and think “what could i do to make it better/more realistic” when there was no need for improvement in the first place. in fact, the only way to improve the first one would have been to just add to it. and by add to it, i mean complete a background or add more characters or creative elements, instead of “polish”.

>>4884974
wait disregard the whole post, i just realized i mixed up the dates lol

>>4884565
2020 has way better composition and clarity, it's much more readable.
2008 version has a bigger emphasis on realistic shading, sure, but Dhalsim doesn't even look like he's facing Blanka. It looks like he's reaching for something behind him. The perspective is just a bit awkward and it definitely seemed to have bothered him seeing as he had gone out of his way to completely redraw Blanka.
Also the foreshortening on Dhalism's arm and hand is a bit wonky in the original, which the 2020 version fixed.
The heavy stylization in the updated version looks very much like a design choice, probably to reflect his current artistic output. I'm sure if he wanted to do realistic shading he could, I doubt he just "unlearnt" how to do it.
Overall, the 2020 version showcases better draftsmanship skills and overall technical ability, but I get if it people prefer the original regardless.

>>4884727
Its sideways because the tall gangly mother fucked is dodging his attack and moving toward the camera. I like the right better because the emotion is more intense. The big stupid cartoon eyes ruin it. Sure the characters design is off, but artists are supposed to apply their style to something. Its fun to see different takes on characters. If I wanted to see the source material, I'll look at the source material.

At first I mixed up the dates lmao OP wtf
the 2020 is much much better. love it

>>4884982
God forbid you ever draw a fight scene. Watch avatar the last air bender and see how often Aang is dodging around and not facing the enemy directly face to face. The right implies movement and a fight is in the middle of happening.

>>4885009
>Its sideways because the tall gangly mother fucked is dodging his attack
What attack? The dude's just in a generic combat stance.

>>4885011
t. Despises realistic artstlyes that are not cartoony.

>>4884565
>hurr semi-realism good everything else bad durr
fucking normie holy shit
If you were not a begshit you would see the imrpovements
pyw

>>4885013
Arms reaching forward, down low like he rushed forward in a charge. With so much movement in that it makes me sad you can't see it.

>>4885014
I dont despise any artstyle and enjoy a lot of different ones, be they realistic or not. The new one just fits the proportions better and tells the story better.

>>4884565
The one on the left has better curves and gesture. The one on the right has better rendering and structure but lost the gesture, so it looks stiff. Would have been better to just keep the sketch on the left and re-render it after correcting a few little things about it. Way to lose the soul by overdoing it

So this isnt his art? looks like shit compared to the ink and water colour work he did in the 80's & 90's

https://twitter.com/ToriyamaArts/status/1194275978769502209

https://twitter.com/ToriyamaArts/status/1215662522876989440

>>4885012
>dodging
Dodging what though? The green nigga's arms are fucking withdrawn. Stretchy man isn't dodging anything because nothing's being thrown at him.
That's why the left looks better, because it reads more clearly as the moment right before the two fighters clash, as opposed to the right's weird disjointed timeline where one fighter is making a move but the other is just standing there and making a mean face,
Learn a thing or two about fight choreography, seriously, dude.
Also
>Watch Avatar
No wonder you're such a dumbass,

>>4885012
>Watch avatar the last air bender
I've seen this piece of shit zoomer show brought up way too many times on /ic/ lately.
Since when did underagefags and tumblr users start invading this place?

But both of these are fine. Don't you think you're being a bit too picky?

>>4885048
its summer, anon

>>4885165
I honestly prefer this /beg/shit compared to anything he's done in the last decade

>>4885031

Toriyama's 65 years old. If he hasnt got arthritis in his hands or back, I'd be amazed.
It makes sense for the elderly to switch over to digital illustration because it requires less finesse than a traditional dip ink pen and finicky watercolors. There's much less hassle with being able to see what youre doing too, since you can magnify the canvas a bajillion times. All the "errors" in those drawings are down to being a novice with digital programs. And like the other guys said- it doesnt fucking matter anymore because he's a megarich household name pretty much everywhere on the globe. Who's left to impress?

>>4885034
>Dodging
His giant ass green body. A bull charge doesn't mean nothing is coming at you. His arms are forward in a charging motion, like I said.

>clash as opponents

The right character is leaping toward the camera. The limbs are stretched and the entire body language is moving toward the camera and away. His left leg is up for fucks sake

>>4885048
>>4885034
I used avatar specifically because of its choreography. They used real kung fu masters, watched them move, and based every single movement on real kung fu fighting styles. I met a man who was best friends in California with their model who was a 5th level black belt in kung fu.

>learn a thing or two about fight choreography

I spent weeks watching martial arts fights as part of a project. You're the one who thinks fighters are squaring off and holding still while one is stretching outward and holds one leg in the fucking air. You must have seen some fighting styles really advanced that i haven't seen where they hold one foot up and lean far to the left off balance like a retard at the start of a fight to intimidate the other guy.

>>4885015
Left is soulless. The eyes are the windows to the soul and the left eyes are too big and cartoons. The art is sketchy in a lazy way, not a intentional way while trying to look intentional. He's gotten lazy and wants us to think it is skill and on purpose. His job probably favors fast sketches over details so details are dropped. I am not OP but I agree with OP so here is my work.

>2020 vs 2008
Obviously the example on the left is the most recent one, and it shows. Based illiterates.

>>4884565
Dhalsim looks better in the left, and Blanca looks better on the right.

>>4884723
>Akira Toryiama
his drawings became shit when Z started. Original DB manga has great art

>>4884565
>more detail in rendering
>it still somehow looks even flatter.
lmao

>>4885547
>blanca
there's no blanka in the image on the right. it's a random hairy dude headbanging.

>>4884565
if left is now its a massive improvement in basically every area except he didnt render it out

>>4885492
you're genuinely retarded

>>4884646
It depresses me to see him tweet disparaging stuff about himself, the idea that someone as skilled as him is struggling is mind_boggling.

>>4884588
the left one is the new one you dipshit

>>4886426
What is his twitter account name?

>>4886426
>the idea that someone as skilled as him is struggling is mind_boggling.
his art is a bit too specific with huge "artstyle" connected to an artist.
To have a sucess you need to have a bit more neutral art style. So you would work with some shitty Appstore game or cartoon series for Adult Swim or something like that.

>>4886086
Not necessarily true : SandLand is great.

>>4886460
He definitely knows that, you think the new one had more effort put into it?

>>4884588
more like he was better at turd polishment

>>4886561
thdark

>>4884565
1989 vs 2020

>>4884569

>>4888558
This really reflects how badly fantasy aesthetics have degraded. Conan influence replaced with WOW toyetic shit.

Left looks a million times better. Is this a bait thread?

>>4888558
I’m glad there are finally some tits in there, it was looking like quite a sausage fest

>>4888571
>Conan influence replaced with WOW toyetic shit
this, fuck millenial artists

>>4885050
Where do you think we are?

>>4884565
left is less detailed, leaving more for us to come up with, right has tons of added detail that take away from imagination

>>4884898
They're both good, the right in particular does a good job of showing a different type of grief in the father's face.
My only real issue with the right is that the background is too bright and in focus, it should also do a better job setting the mood.

>>4888558

>>4888752
>>4888558
now you've gone and made me sad.

>>4888671
yeah man fuck millenials fuckign losers, worst people ever, im so glad im gen Y and not a faggot as millennial.

>>4888752
bottom is better, just needs the values reworked.

>>4888804
that's the original boxart.

>>4886086
i think red ribbon army thru android saga was his peak. he really started phoning it in around the cell games imo

>>4885012
Are you retarded? the newer one has LOADS more movement than the older one, it flows better and conveys better what's happening in the fight. you've been having to explain that he's dodging to a ton of people in the thread, and let me tell you something: if someone has to explain what is happening in the fight, then the illustration didn't capture it very well

>>4884565
I like them both but that ogre dude looks like shit
especially his hair

>>4884646

Develop taste

>>4884565
It’s the same thing except for the ginger super saiyan
His eyes look cartoony on the new image
Is this all 12 years did for you..?

Can somone tell me why digital art will never have soul? Ive never seen a single digital piece 3d or 2d thats ever had soul, even if its technically brilliant. Its seems this is only possible with traditional mediums due to the rawness of it.

>>4889461
Oil painting is the only legitimate art form.

>>4884723
Because he legitimately doesn’t care anymore. Kinda sad honestly.

>>4889470
Oil painting is for women.

>>4889470

>>4885492
>Left is soulless. The eyes are the windows to the soul and the left eyes are too big and cartoons. The art is sketchy in a lazy way, not a intentional way while trying to look intentional. He's gotten lazy and wants us to think it is skill and on purpose. His job probably favors fast sketches over details so details are dropped. I am not OP but I agree with OP so here is my work.
Translation:
>I am autistic and don't know shit about art also if it isn't hyperrealistic or if i dont like it it's bad
You know, you're exactly the type of people who ruin it for everyone else

Left is more expressive and has character.
Right is an attempt to please filthy normies and autists like you thus ending up stiff and bland because of the lack of skill and pressure.
>inb4 b-b-but muh realism
Your work is the same kind of shit.
Trying your hardest to get something but failing to instead of expressing yourself.
>whoo luk at dis bons in a dry well oooh how spoopy and dark that means is sooooo deep and phylosofeefeecal
gtfo my board, you retarded begshit

pic related is my work and it's good but you will never be able to comprehend why because you're fucking autistic

>>4884565
I never understood this mentality, is progress supposed to mean decline in soul?

>>4889461
Yeah, it's because 'soul' is purely based on personal preference and is extremely subjective. Because you've decided in your head that digital pieces never have soul and that it's only possible with traditional mediums, you will never see a digital illustration with any soul.

>>4888558
say what you will about overused souless WoW aesthetic, but the addition of a thick orc warrior and lean elf spellsword is a positive

>>4884565
he should've combined both styles from 2020 and 2008

>>4890482
Had me until the last sentence. Good job anon

>>4888558
>cool badas creepy monsters
vs
>Warcraft/Korean rpg crap-tier generic mc-nonamies
fuck i hate how western fantasy lost its face and personality because of Blizzard and shitty Korean rpgs...

>>4888558
I don't get why everyone is hating on the bottom one, I think the individual characters are better in it. The top one is better in terms of composition and mood though.

>>4884723
I thought he was dead

>>4894662
>I don't get why everyone is hating on the bottom one
zoomer

>>4894655
You denying that last sentence proves my point even more, autismo

>>4894687
Are you unironicly telling me the reason is mere nostalgia?

>>4894695
Not him but the bottom looks like an ad for a generic chinese mobile game.
It's indistinguishable from shit like League of Legends or Hearthstone. It looks so manufactured.
Born in '99 btw.

>>4894713
So the amount of other unrelated art is the reason the bottom is worse? What if every boxart of that time looked like the top one, would that change which one is better?

>>4894716
>So the amount of other unrelated art is the reason the bottom is worse?
Ever heard of the word "derivative", anon?
Don't act stupid.

>>4888752
>>4888558
My biggest grip with both of these is the lack of depth in the new ones.
The dungeon one doesn't have have the character recede probably, making them appear to be in a small room and the figures way to large in comparison to the arches.
In the landscape one, every character is painted in high contrast with very dark values. It feels have if the characters have been painted, so that they can easily be copy pasted into various parts of an instruction manual or other artwork.

>>4884565
Put the rendering of 2008 on the dynamic composition and character art of 2020 and you'd get the best of both worlds.

honestly neither looks better than the other, they just look like they're made to appeal to different industries

>>4888558
An attempt was made. I’m clearly not a professional but it seems inexcusable to have such poor lighting in a digital piece when it’s so easy to change

>>4890482
Is that a mii?

>>4888558
>>4888752
Warcraft really fucking ruined fantasy art didn't it?

>>4896187
newfag

>>4888558

>>4896334
saved

>>4896313
the tragic part is that it was a good stylistic choice to deal with the low polycounts of the era.

>>4888558
Both are tremendously gay and uninteresting, I have never understood kids who liked shit like He-Man and Thundercats when I was a kid. The aesthetic has changed, but the shittaste was already there from the start.

Anyone who disagrees is just a boomer (gay) fanboy.

>>4884565
>when you copy the chinamen and rely on the luminosity of a monitor instead of using contrasting colour and light

>>4884565
They both look fine.

>>4886426
He’s probably retarded and impossible to work with.

Someone post the shining force one, please.

>>4894662
It's more than that, anatomy and character design too. Everything at the bottom feels like a toy.

>>4888804
look at this contrarian

>>4894713
Top is generic for the time it came out as well.

Nostalgia = relatability, and relatability is important to soul. In fact, relatability is incredibly important when it comes to creating any kind of media

>>4884565
left is ibjectively better and has tons more soul. I get that the right is rendered to death and has warmer colors whicch you could argue = more soul. but not really. He probably just wanted to show how much better at drawing he is now and didn't want to spend 100 hours being a rendermonkey like he did on the original

>>4900782
>everything you like from the past is only because of nostalgia glasses
This argument is so fucking retarded

>>4900874
That is literally not what I said. I said Nostalgia plays a role into relatability

>>4896334
blog?

>>4902620

TIL that soul just means bad to most people

>>4886426
dealing with him a few times and getting to know him a little over DMs etc, he holds himself back mentally.

There are tons of worse artists than him that make boatloads of money on patreon, but he's too scared/ anxious to take the leap into trying it.

I dunno, it's really sad to see.