/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How do you find balance between realistic body and anime face (deform) when studying from real life references?

What went wrong with you such that you ended up being a worthless weeaboo loser?

>>4879996
says the retard that post core reddit vtuvers

>>4880032
>qualifying vtubers like the whole concept isn't completely retarded.

>>4879996
(you)

Reposting from the old thread. Ref on the right

>>4880130
You're making too many unnecessary lines. Look at the line economy on the right. Even the shading on the face is like 2 or 3 lines.

>>4879900
give me one for a teenage shounen protag

>>4880130
Actually this
>You're making too many unnecessary lines. Look at the line economy on the right. Even the shading on the face is like 2 or 3 lines.

>>4880136
To be honest, that's the way animators draw. The shading is actually will be colored by the colorist, so they tend don't really care about doing it that much, or that clean. Just enough to give information to colorist about the shading.

>>4880130
If you're going to actually hatch the lines then do it evenly and don't throw them randomly. The shadow on the neck makes no sense.

>>4880130
TURN OFF LINE WEIGHT RIGHT NOW!

>>4880220
Nah, it can be done right. He just needs to make the brush smaller and get more practice.

>>4880220
How do you turn off line weight the fuck

>>4880227
I agree, the shading/hatching is the weakest part of my drawing right now, I'll practice it more.
But how does it look overall? Does it have soul?

>>4880272
It looks bad

>Does it have soul?
Don't ask retarded questions.

so hard. my 5th drawing..

>>4880366
And they said talent doesn't exist.

>>4880369
took me 6 hours though, so i think it's hard work and the power control Z + CSP utilities.

>>4880376
I bet I could do that in 20 minutes

>>4880389
probably, i take a lot of time sketching and doing line art because actual drawing is hard for me.

>>4880402
go do a study on your favorite artists and learn the proportions and planes of the face and the size and placement of features and how to manipulate it at any angle in 3d space

>>4880300
pyw

>>4879686

the arms need a lot of fixing and so the hands, those bones in the red circles, the right in your pic is okay but the one in the left can't be vissible unless the person is really thin, the part that is more vissible is the area who is almost at the front.

you need more loomis and some boxes and anatomy

>>4879920
Do both anime and realism studies so you understand WHAT/WHY/HOW features are omitted and stylized.

>>4880412
Thanks a lot, regarding the iliac crest portrusions, in this specific pose does only her right iliac crest "portrude"/"poke" through the skin?

Why did you change her right arm and hand pose? Do you think it looks more natural that way?

What does "SS" mean?

Finally, I got some comment regarding the fact that I put too much emphasis on her RC, which I agree with. Do you think this is a problem?

Thanks a lot I appreciate the feedback. Also, I think I made her eyes a tad too big, makes her look like a bug.

>>4880428
that says ASS anon.

>>4880436
Looks more like a triangle than it resembles the letter "A", but thanks for the clarification.

>>4880412
What is your recommended source for anatomy? I haven't been able to get what I wanted out of "Anatomy for Sculptors".

>>4880412
>says the right arm is too short
>makes the left arm just as short

>>4880412
You foreshortened the arm way too much.

is copying and flipping the eye and fixing perspective considered as cheating? I mean it's convenientand efficient, also I dont plan to be a traditionalist anyways.

>>4880530
Doesn't matter. Even tradcucks use mirrors

how's my nadeko sketch? took me 1 hour trying to make stuff proportionate

>>4880618
Not very good and it doesn't resemble the character.

>>4880626
ah crap, needs more fixing then

>>4880530
If you can't just draw a second eye in the time it takes you to copy, flip, move, and fix the perspective, then you have a serious problem.
You're allowed to use whatever tool you feel like, but that process is completely retarded, and extremely limiting.

>>4880631
It doesn't need fixing, you need fixing. Learn construction, perspective and anatomy.

No amount of fiddling with a fundamentally broken drawing is going to pay off if you don't know what you're doing in the first place.

>>4880632
>copy, flip, move, and fix the perspective
Lol, that doesn't take more than 5 seconds. Sounds like you're the one with the problem.

>>4880632
Praise digital age.

>>4879996
I googled Grimmjow vs Pain, everything went wrong after that

>>4880412
Gtfo of here with your trex arms

>>4880718
Why are the buildings tilted
Nice did you follow a tut? Looks a bit photo bashed

>>4880718
yeah honestly no shame in holding shift key to make everything convincing . nothginh wrong w doing tilt but u gotta make eveyrthing tilt to the same VP

>>4880639
Neither does drawing one eye, you retard.

>>4880036
wat?

>>4880869
Post a webm of you drawing an eye in 5 seconds. You won't

>>4880969
seconding this

>>4880718
>>4880788
>>4880845
Oh no no no

>>4881058

>/beg/ me
>draw sexy anime girl from "imagination"
>satisfied with the result
>feelsgoodman.jpeg
>go to play vidya for 6 hours
>comeback and look at the drawing i recently made
>looks bad
>try to fix it
>looks good now, go to bed
>wake up and look at the drawing
>looks bad again
>been like this the entire month
mfw ngmi

>>4880784
>>4880505
>>4880503
oh fug, yeah i should have tried to put more effort, well depending on the angle on the wrsit or forearm to take, there are 2 different versions

>>4881093
are telling me that you can tell your mistakes and improving upon them on a daily basis

>>4881093
>wake up and look at yesterday's work
>looks bad
>flip through previous month's work
>looks even worse
it is what it is

I think I am ready

ready to draw male

>>4881477
Looks good. I remember your stellar linework from last thread

>>4880969
Nigger, are you for real? How long has it been taking you?

>>4881449
not based
>>4881477
based

>>4881487
men are just flat chested woman with dick

>>4881477
the hands and braces are complete garbage. look up reference for those and how to shade the shadows for the bangs/hairline. your skin/body rendering/drawing is really weak but the rest of the stuff looks fine.

>>4881483
Thanks

>>4881500
I see. I find myself just saying fuck it good enough with the hands. I need to work on it

>>4881477
Going through folders and found this. I remember posting this in these threads. I'm still shit but looking at older works and seeing the ultra shit is uplifting and amusing

So I did a bit of a sketch on a pen and paper. Would taking a picture of it and putting it in a layer in say clipstudio good enough? Or do I really need to to scan it? I have a scanner but it's an old one and I don't think I have the drivers for it.

Study based on Namaniku ATK's art.
Eyes are hard to draw.

>>4882199
Study No.2 More eyes.

Hey anons, I'll start learning from zero after my drawing tablet arrives, but I have some questions.
Should I start just copying anime or should I take the sticky route?
That sticky is very old, isn't there something better by now?
What are the books that you think would be the best for someone that wants to draw anime and is coming from zero?
Pic related are some copies I did some days ago using a mouse, they came out way better than I expected, since I had tried before but they were so shitty that I ended giving up pretty fast.

>>4881093
You are gmi. The fact that your eyes are improving rapidly more than your hand is saying something. Hang in there,

>>4882199
Study No.3 Anime is very difficult.

>>4879883
Cute boy

>>4880366
Why are you copying a 3d model

>>4882248
what do you mean? It's just a screenshot i took while watching the anime

>>4881486
>not posting a webm

>>4880366
>>4882255
What filter or blur like tool did you use?
It does remind me of a 3D model.

I'm not >>4882248 , I'm someone else.

>>4882311
No, really, how much time are you spending on each eye? lmfao

What is the actual drawing process?
I usually start with an idea of a pose, then I roughly sketch it in and try to fix every mistake I can think off. If I can't fix it I try to look for reference.
After that I'll do the lineart and notice even more mistakes which I then try to fix again, which probably ends in me drawing the lineart again.

Is there a better way to go about all of this?
I feel like I'm being inefficient..

>>4881988
Pictures fine unless you're anal
and my ass hurts right now so I don't think it's necessary

>>4882203
Some of the sticky is still ok
Start with keys to drawing
If you go with right side of the brain book understand it's pseudoscience and only do the exercises.
I still see plenty of symbol drawing in your work.
Anime since it's a general style with many varieties, should be started by copying.

>>4881988
If you aren't using the line art in the finished piece, then a phone photo is okay, but if you are I would strongly discourage it. Your photo is going to be skewed and most likely too low res to use, not to mention the camera artifacts.

>>4882203
Art hasn't changed at all in 10 years. The sticky is fine and a valuable research. Do not copy anime. Learn realism then come back. Its what every jap does.
Realism will give you the ability to simplify much more accurately and be able to solve problems much better with your knowledge. Anatomy and proportions will be better than 99% of anime copiers if you learn Hampton. You'll be able to draw objects, scenery, and industrial vehicles and tools much better too. Your perspective and angles will also be much more interesting and varied.
Do not neglect realism and your fundies.

Could someone point me towards the best sauce for studying clothes/armour? Ideally contemporary as well as older and even mythical

>>4882799
>Do not copy anime. Learn realism then come back. Its what every jap does
nope, literally just watched a mangaka saying that just keep copying, west shits on copying while east encourage copying

>>4882799
Bad advice from a beginner. Don't listen to this idiot.

>>4882799
Based advice from a pro, don't not listen to anyone else that is him

>>4882799
Why are you even in this thread. I feel like a lot of people come here, completely ignore anything posted in the OP and then tell people to draw a billion loomis heads.

>>4882799
Are you perhaps a tourist? Did you even read the OP? This is /asg/ go bring your western shit elsewhere. Only weeabs allowed.

>>4882885
>>4882871
>>4882890
Man, these threads sure attract a lot of perma/beg/s, huh?

>>4882871
This. Every Jap artists out there will tell you that they learn art as a beginner by studying other artists first.

>>4882902
pyw begtrash

>>4882897
>studying life is western
lmfao

>>4882799
>>4882902
Literally the youtube link in the OP dumbass, here I'm gonna spoon feed you.
https://youtu.be/t_IODIIYAe0?t=203

>>4882908
So sensitive lol

>>4882913
>when improving at characters
Of course a brainlet would fail to grasp context.

>>4882906
Its fine to study other artists. It's what you'll do in any art course you take. But that can only take you so far.
Think of the greats. Inoue, Miura, Araki.
They all learned from realism. Araki's style is based off sculptures he saw on a trip.
Realism WILL enhance your work. At least learn basic anatomy and perspective. Please.

>>4882928
>he didnt watched the rest
of course a brainlet would fail to watch that shit and read OP.

>>4882932
Whether I read the OP or read 5,000,000 manga interviews, ONLY copying anime is a beginner mistake and will cause your art to stagnate.
Also he repeatedly talks about fundamentals in that very interview, so keep making excuses, /beg/.

>>4882928
You sure talk a lot for someone who's not even posting any of his own work.

>>4882988
11 words is "talking a lot"?

>>4882988
He wont post any of his work because he's a /beg/ larping as a pro

>>4882994
I obviously meant all your posts dumbass.
Post something to prove you are actually better or shut your fucking mouth. Easy as that.

>>4882997
1. When did I say I was a pro?
2. LARP means live action roleplay, and therefor cannot be done online
3. Why won't you post your work, if it's so important?

>>4883021
Actually better than what, retard?

>>4883025
Distracting again.
Tip to every beginner reading this stuff.
Don't listen to this faggot. His opinion is void.

>>4883025
So no work then?

>>4883025
God damn the cringe, you can read every post in this thread and you'll know the posts made by this faggot .>>4883025

>>4883032
Distracting? What?

>>4883034
Where's yours?

>>4883038
Oh no, not cringe! I was trying to be based!

>>4882799
You are retard, realistic drawing is different skill than cartoon one. Sure one can help develop other, but it is wasted effort to learn realistic drawing if you only want to draw anime.

>>4883025
PYW

>>4883045
Post yours, ESL.

Do I need to learn perspective If I only plan to do art works like this? I'm only drawing for fun.

>>4883062
Yes. That drawing has poor perspective, but you need to learn perspective to be able to draw anything well.

>>4883062
Well not really right? But your pictures will look boring, I'm sure you will eventually need it.

>>4883062
>I'm only drawing for fun.
Your response is here, just do whatever you want,
Though it is good to challenge yourself.

>>4883062
Nah. If you want to be autistically precise you could break the torso down into a cuboid and make sure its alignment is good with 2 point but that pose can be easily attained with a cylinder

>>4883089
>he thinks perspective only applies to rectangular prisms

>>4882453
thanks for the reply anon.
>>4882799
>Do not copy anime. Learn realism then come back. Its what every jap does.
Even I know that's not true, but everything else you said makes sense, I guess. Thanks.

>>4883136
I heard the best thing to do is 50% copy your fav artist and 50% studying fundamentals.

>>4883089
>you don't need to learn perspective
>just use cylinders

Fuck these books. I'm too dumb to understand by just looking at pictures. I'm gonna go full youtube tutorials for "manga" anatomy. Good luck to me.

>tfw know exactly what I need to do to improve

extremely beginner question, what's the base ship for this eye? im having a hard t time drawing it in an angle

>>4883525
check refeia moe painting visual textbook also do some realism

>>4883525
Anime eye is straight up the normal human eye with thicker brow

>>4883525
Just trace the outline, idiot

>>4883170
Condom-chan

Are there any particularly good anime books for digital coloring/rendering? The one for character CG uses Photoshop so it's difficult to follow for CSP.

>>4883782
>The one for character CG uses Photoshop so it's difficult to follow for CSP.
The techniques are the exact same

>>4883802
Yeah some basic stuff carries but issue is I have no idea what it means by certain things or where they would be in CSP even, is there a better translation for it than Yandex? I have no idea what it means by things like line deepening mode and rubber tool or what their csp equivalent would be in CSP, trying to figure it out visually doesn't lead me to an answer.

>>4883813
go through ctrl paint with csp. then you should be able to understand. rubber tool is probably eraser. if you don't study japanese and are just using ocr then give up now. anime rendering is the exact same thing as anything else.

>>4883837
I'll try out using ctrl paint then and using it alongside the tutorial then from the beginning. Any resources for studying Japanese you could suggest as well?

Which one has the most soul?

>>4882317
Looks like he just copied the line layer, applied blur to it and set it to lower opacity. I would know I did the same when I was a /beg/

>>4884051
7

>>4882913
KEK!!!!!!!!!!

>>4882866
get off youtube

shitty sketch but gotta do something every day

>>4884051
1

>>4883062
you need to learn anatomy and forms(with perspective like boxes and shit), 99% of begs approach anime with simple shit thinking they don't need to learn the hard stuff( which isn't), like some anons said you can use really simple forms like cilinders and boxes, the problem is without anatomy to back up those forms you will end drawing sausage limbs like 99% of begs.

look at this pic i stole from /beg/, this is the perfect example, you can see the forms he used, the legs look like cilinders same with the arms, the feets almost look like bricks and the clothes are stiff, theres mistakes everywhere.

the easiest to spot are those wristband things, you can tell they are supposed to be cilyndrical,
in the left hand is too fat at the top, the right one is not in the same angle with the forearm and it makes the forearm look flat as fuck as if went through a piece of paper or something, the raised leg is dislocated to me desu, you can bend your leg a bit like that but the muscles in the hip area will tuck a bit but you can still see the round outline in the dress so, the tit is also wrong, you either wrap the clotes around the tits or use a more realistic approach and take in consideration the gravity, at least in anime stuff, but that anon drew that part as if there's a flat cone in the corner of her chest.

if you want to learn anatomy don't ever use anime pics as reference they are already stylized and a lot of then have the flat shading that doesn't always show the forms specially in the face, at least from nips.

tdlr: those anime pics that look simple are actually the subproduct of more complex ideas/knowledge, you need to learn the whole enchilada to deconstruct it into simpler forms/shapes.

>>4884197
Saladfingers, is that you?

>>4884246
I messed up the hands and just rolled with it
I wonder how uncomfortable it would be for him to rub one out though

>>4884212
silly

>>4883062
You will eventually come to a point where you don't have the knowledge or skill to pull off/draw a pose you have an idea for. At that point you can focus on practicing the area you are having trouble with. That's what I've been doing, and while I'm not great with perspective it's a more bit-by-bit approach to it instead of putting your face in a book for a few months.

>>4884051
9

>>4884212
soul and cute

>>4884096
Okay, thanks anon

are these all the stuff needed for anatomy? Or this Marc guy missed something

>>4884865
What a waste of time

>>4884867
Studying anatomy?

>>4884872
No, but watching videos is.

>>4882255
It look like it came from a 3d model

So basically I bought a huion tablet when I started out drawing, I didn't know anything about tablets and still don't really do.
But I've somehow read you should always buy a wacom? Is the difference that big?
So far I didn't feel any issues from drawing with this one at least.
Don't want to ask in the tablet thread they seem kind of autistic about it.

>>4884957
wacom is better but it's perfectly fine as a budget option.

anyone have that image guide for character design's colour

>>4884957
The tablet thread has a resident autist wacom/iPad shill now. I also have a huion and after coming from years of wacom tablets, its almost as good as the intuos pro aside from not having any rotation detection and my drivers have given me really weird bugs before like the pressure curve line not working or showing up on my desktop instead of in the window it belongs in, but they always get fixed eventually.

You're fine with the tablet you got. Wacom definitely feels really good to use but the price is insane for what you're getting.

>>4884957
Don't listen to the tablet thread. The wacom alternatives have come a long way in recent years in terms of their quality and tech that they're actually good now (especially the display ones). If you're starting out and don't have a lot of money to drop on a wacom or ipad then they work perfectly fine. It's up to you if you want to upgrade down the line.

>>4884957
I draw on Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga and it's alright, don't listen to dum dums. If you see no issues, there is none. One day you might buy Wacom and say, WOW ITS SO MUCH BETTER, but until then it's good.

>>4885189
>>4884961
Ok Chang.

Posted this in beg but how is this head? What can I do to improve it?

>>4885372
Give it a nose

>>4885395
no

>>4885372
say it's your style and don't worry anymore

>>4885372
What's the point of using a box if you're not going to follow the perspective of it. See the blue line.

>>4885405
Also pic related is something to think about further to that. Fixed version placement is way better but it makes it look droopy eyed

>>4885422
The ones at the top look evil

>>4885435
But the bottom ones look like they’re melting

>>4885441
They look like betamax incels

>>4885405
holy shit fucking fixed

>>4884051
5 6 n 9

>>4884240
how long

>>4885309
>>4885244
>>4885189
>>4884961
Got it then, thank you for your response.

>>4884240
Then I shall use loomis' figure drawing book to help me draw Taimanin Asagi.

>>4885372
In addition to what the other guy mentioned, the jaw is too big for the skull. Either increase the size of the skull or reduce the size of the jaw (like the redline did).

I did some studies from FLCL. the episode I was drawing from was directed by Imaishi or Sushio or someone similar, so the characters were a lot more angular and dynamic

>>4885405
Thank you. I got told the same thing in /beg/ but wasn't too sure what they were talking about

>>4885643
ON THIS LONGEST DAY

>>4885737
they are pretty good anon, i love the art of FLCL

>>4884602
Brush size, tone it down a bit. Otherwise it looks good.

But it's a lot easier to draw with a larger brush. So I can't really make a good critique on the piece.

>>4884240
recommend me some books
especially anatomy.

Not the drawartist by the way.

>>4885737
You're my fav asg artist

>>4885405
I tried it again but something still seems off. Also when I draw my guide lines it makes the head look absolutely massive and I don't understand why

>>4886100
here it is with no sketch

>>4886100
the ear and the chin don't follow the perspective of the box

>>4886100
You're not following the box either.

>>4885737
I did a small drawing from imagination to try and get the studies to stick. Imaishi's drawings are always pretty rough and loose, so I tried to get that as well. let me know what you think
>>4885841
>>4885963
thanks, FLCL has an all-star cast as far as animators go, so it's a good show to study from I think.

>>4886136
Full of life. It's very good.

>>4886107
How do I correct the chin and ear?
>>4886129
Fug

>>4886139
Stop drawing from imagination for now and go study things in different perspectives. Anything goes

>>4886129
how high are you right now anon?

>>4886150
redline it

>>4886169
mikufag tier face

I'm tired of copying animu faces I want to create now
I got so bored I just stopped on this piece today
whats some good resources for perspective and construction

>>4886195
pin2d

>>4886195
https://drawabox.com/

>>4886181
kek

>>4883163
more like 25% copy 25% fundies 50% original work

Hi guys, I stumbled upon this image here and I can’t figure out what all those bulges on the left of her belly are. I wrote in red what I think they might be but I’m not even sure if that’s the correct spot for the ASIS. Can you give me a hand? Thanks!

>>4886139
>How do I correct the chin and ear?
just follow the box

>>4884110
night of revenge

>>4886311
>>4885405
Why does this guy get two redlines and I don't even get a reply?

>>4886293
don't worry about it also you don't know enough about anatomy yet at all. draw from life and study from life.

stop posting "i found this image, better ask people in the anime general why some korean drew something this way"

>>4886322

>>4886346
fuck you

>>4886322

>>4886293
Good job trying to analyze it. You aimed low looking for ASIS (you were pointing at AIIS).

Remember that both Sartorius and Tensor Fascia Latae originate from the ASIS point and make the triangle shape (quads pass into this triangular tunnel). The oblique is always above this point.

>>4886330
You could have just said "I don't know."

>>4886322
Which one is yours?

>>4886366
He's right. You're asking stupid questions you wouldn't have if you studied properly.

>>4886372
Not me homie.I actually posted the answer.

>>4883557
not that guy but i was curious about this book and man what is it about the eyes that makes it seem so dated? is it that theyre too far apart?

>>4886381
I think you're 100% right. The super wide spacing is doing that for me.

>>4886361
Thank you so much!! I don’t think I could get a better reply. I understand now.

>>4886372
The point of a question is to get a chance to understand something you don’t, otherwise all questions could be classified as stupid given the fact that the person being asked must have studied something you didn’t, but i guess you have never asked a question in your entire life ;)

Thanks again to the kind anon, have a goodnight y’all!

>dreaming
>see the redman
>except hes takashi takeuchi
>he says "try and keep up" with a smile as to scorn and believe in me
What does it mean?

>>4886527
Takeuchi can't even color his own art

i'll use my drawing powers to draw romantic pictures

>>4885955
Michael Hampton, Framed Ink

>>4886322
half the advice is sabotage, don't worry.

>>4886998
okay, thanks Anon

>>4886527
that scene really has an underused meme potential especially for /asg/

Am I doing this shit right?

>>4887607

forgot pick

>>4882199
good taste

Takeuchi needs loomis NOW

>>4887648
make a blog

>>4887668
takeuchi is awesome what are you talking about
>>4887679
no

>>4887668
Rhino faces, lol

>>4887668
No matter how much you polish a turd...

How do I improve bros? I've been stuck at the same level for months no matter how many studies I do

>>4887724
>no
fuck you

>>4887743
Post your studies

>>4887724
I like his shit but God by itself its rough

>>4887761
Here, landscape drawings, anatomy studies, hand studies, value studies, studies from other artists.
Nothing sticks in my head when I start drawing my own stuff though.

>>4887743
Is that Tamaki?

>>4887782
Nta but I think those are all georgeous
I'm way below you so can't critique but I would say look on artstation and look for something you find amazing and slightly out of your comfort zone that you would want to emulate, study it, and then use it for an OC or even just a reskin/edit. Gather your reference and give it your best shot, you'll be improving and learning even if the end result isn't exactly what you visualised

>>4882799
nice bait. kek

>>4887743
brah just find a reference or use designdoll or daz3d if you are struggling with pose, angle and perspective

>>4887782
Just DRAW and use reference

>>4887782
Nice turd polish
Not the stinkiest shit though, more like dried bird poo

>>4885737
This is really good anon! May I ask about how long did it take you to do these studies?

>>4885737
>barebone construction lines and dem dynamic lines
Yeah listen i admire you

>>4885737
Oh you're getting better each time I check on you! Nice line economy man its getting good

>>4881564
If you draw more detailed hands, a lot of the rest of the image pops out and becomes more alluring. Just think of all the petite fingers and french tips you're missing out on in your otherwise good art.

>>4888492
This is literally useless. Fill entire pages with them. Make it intuitive now so you don't have to worry about it later

It's me again. I'm drawing fanart as more practice. This look right yet?

>>4888777
im not sure if you are meming but in case someone has the same doubt about it, it's better not to over complicate the construction of anything unless you want to study in great detail which is good but when it comes to construction just to do a sketch or not something that needs uber precision, just keep it as simple as possible

i find this approach easier, now this head kinda sucks but you get the point, instead of using a box with all those axis just build from the most basic measurements like eye level,ears,nose,etc...

>>4888837
*memeing*

>>4888777
So, your box was long to start with, I think you mentally compensated by squishing things to the front of the box and that made your ear / jawline come too far forward.

Also... the ball is a little big, it should basically encompass the top two thirds of the box (and the facial mass takes the lower third) OR it should fill the box and the facial mass should extend below it.

All in all it's VERY close and I imagine you'd have caught some of that in the actual line stage.

You're nipping at the heels of it, keep going and I am certain you'll be nailing it shortly.

Yeah I saw people using this sort of rectangular shape to fit the head in, but I wasn't really too sure why and still not sure to be honest. I think I understand the basics of making a box in perspective now, but actual construction within that box I don't understand. I sorta just said fuck it on this one and gave up on getting the torso in proper perspective and guessed it until it looked correct

>>4888868
Nice, looks good. Post it when you're done.

Is the discord still around?

>>4888953
Yes

>>4888868
the box gives you axis lines, you just have to follow them when doing the construcion

>>4888966
oh shit does this mean i actually did it correctly

>>4888976
except for the giant skull

>>4888966
>tfw when turbo/beg/
so do I have to learn this method and apply it to every head I do to make it come out right

Should I study Loomis if I just want to draw animay?

>>4888988
No. You'll study loomis if you want to understand the basics of the fundamentals

>>4888992
Then what do I study as a begginer. Anime Anatomy?

>>4888984
it's pretty easy tho
>>4889002
try the moe bible also loomis

>>4889006
>tfw can now read Japanese
Unironically has secrets written into this page that I never realized.

>>4888984
riding height/width/depth lines to find the correct spot on the page applies to pretty much all drawing you do if you want it to have depth.

>>4888988
You don't specifically need to learn through loomis but you do need fundies. Learn shapes in perspective first and then construction/anatomy

>>4889021
What secrets? I just read it all and it doesn't say anything very deep. If anything all of these points should be broken in many scenarios in my opinion.

I typed it all for everyone to read :

萌え顔の横金バランス

燃え顔とは、かわいいと感じる顔のことです。それには、かわいく描けるバランスがあります。
目は、絵柄によって顔の占める面積が変わるので、黒目の中心を基準にバランスを考えていきましょう。

燃え顔の比率

広がる
黒目の中心
肩幅は顔と同じ、もしくはもっと狭い

Point
目と鼻を結んだ角度が広いほうが(左図で言う135度のライン)
効くかわいく見える

萌え顔3ヶ月条
かわいく感じる顔のポイントをとらえます。
動物や赤ちゃんをかわいいと感じる感覚を利用します。
赤ちゃんや動物の顔のバランスに近づけるとかわりらしさが出ます。
目と口の位置(バランス)を崩してはいいけません。
目の大きさは絵柄によって変わるので、比率で表しています。今回は代表的なひとつのパターン。

Reminder that real /a/nime fans will NEVER EVER come across your art because you aren't Japanese. Your art will ALWAYS be in the Western section on the panda. Your audience will be ironic weebs and spics. Can you live with that?

>>4889052
but japanese artists like my art

>>4889052
>he thinks that anyone other than westerners are using sadpanda

>>4889021
What is the esoteric teaching anon? Please tell us.

>>4889029
It seems so complex to me though
do you have any resources you can reccomend to learn it

>>4889055
So? That doesn't change the facts.
>>4889061
What do you think real /a/nime fans refers to? Japanese people? You're out of your mind if you think the vast majority of Japanese people are going to interact with you online. Do you know how many great non-Japanese artists I've seen on pixiv who had exactly zero Japanese comments on their uploads? Every single one.

>>4889046
anyone talking about secrets is always lying trying to crab. the text in a lot of these jap books are fluff/incredibly pointless. but it tricks /beg/s because they both don't want to put in time to draw and aren't interested in learning japanese, they just want shortcuts.

>>4889077
Why would I care what westerners do? Most of my interactions are with japanese people. Also japanese people tend to not comment as much as westerners. I think it's a politeness thing.

>>4889077
I have many japs in my mutuals and some of them even comment on pixiv from time to time, maybe your drawings are just ugly

>>4889052
You're right, I'll draw cartoons.

>>4889093
Again you being friendly with Japanese artists doesn't change the point. Artists are not representative of laymen.
>>4889090
>Also japanese people tend to not comment as much as westerners. I think it's a politeness thing.
They "don't comment" yet there are always comments in Japanese on pixiv from people who don't even have avatars (aka they are most likely just laymen not artists). The only place they are consistently absent from is non-Japanese uploads.

>>4889073
well, basically anything that teaches perspective technically teaches it.
bob hale gives a demo of using axis lines to find where to place things when building the head in his final lecture on artistic anatomy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3Pkwuww6w which is what made it click for me,
although just jumping to the end of his lectures might be a little impenetrable, especially if you're not clear on perspective.

>>4889108
You aren't looking at the right artists. Sometimes it's not obvious the artist is western. Anyway, I don't get what you're getting at and I don't see why I should care who my audience is.

>>4889116
Because you're a fucking faggot, nigga. Guess who ain't getting no passes from the Japanese audience, nigga

>>4889133
take your meds

>>4889052
My art is superior to many authentic japs

>>4889112
oh, that was the second to last lecture i linked, it's also got a demonstration at the end but it's mostly skull.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNog0L7TtQM has the ones i was thinking of.

>>4889108
My art isn't amazing but I'm fluent in Japanese and often draw fanart of untranslated content that EOP weebs wouldn't know about so the majority of my followers are in fact Japanese non-artists. I actually want more artist followers, Japanese or not. I talk to my followers a lot about the stuff I draw fanart of or random daily life stuff.

Just want some general suggestions/advice for this sketch going forward. Looking to push it further so I'd like to nail down anything before moving on.
I'm not exactly keen on the right (my right) arm's position, she's suppose to be holding a short staff. Thanks in advance.

>>4889460
Anon isn't the left hand too long? It almost scared me when I opened the image. I thought it was a tentacle or something.

>>4889460
too realistic

>>4889464
*left arm

>>4889464
>>4889468
suppose to be a salute, if you think it's too long i'll look into it. feel free to draw over it or whatever!
>>4889467
ok

>>4889469
no , not ok!

>>4889469
Her left arm not the left side. Maybe fold the that arm a bit or something cause it looks too long right now.

>>4889460
Also I have a sinking feeling that the top half doesn't match the bottom one. To me it looks like you pasted 2 separate image and tried to merge it. It's missing the contortion of the waist.

>>4889474
noted. to the bottom part, i actually didn't do that but if you feel that way please show me

>>4889460
looks fine. Watchout for the left arm as it's too long

>>4889045
Very cute, love the expression.

>>4889460
Breasts should be higher and also pulled up a bit because of the arm

>>4889475
Something like pic lower right image? Maybe the lines near the crotch is making it look weird. As for the left arm position somthing like the lower right image were the arm is bent 90 degrees.

>>4889052
Christine Love and dogisaga managed to trick people into thinking they were azn. Perhaps I can do the same.

How long are you guys drawing?

>>4889950
Each day about 8-10 hours with interruptions whenever I feel like it.
But I'm kind of a hiki neet so I got nothing else to do and it helps keep suicidal thoughts out.

FUCK

>>4890077
I wish I could do it so long, I get angry after one to two hours

>>4890175
Angry at what?

>>4890188
At me being parkinson retard who can't draw what I want, lmao

>>4890210
Well that sounds extremely rough.
Keep it up as good as possible I guess.

>>4890217
Well thank, at least I have enough willpower recently to draw everyday.

>>4890265
Looks good, anon.
What's your study regime like?

>>4888181
>>4888255
>>4888262
thanks, a page like that takes around half an hour, I think. part of that is also finding the references. the coloured drawing I did a little while after took a little less than an hour

it really is simple to draw a anime face. Your taking the skull and stripping most of the complexities and planes, then creating an appealing caricature.
So why the fuck is it so difficult to do right?

>>4891149
>stripping most of the complexities and planes
No your not dumbass
So trying to sound smart

>>4891149
>take a complex form
>pick and choose a small handful of salient details to draw and subtly exaggerate to give a convincing and aesthetically pleasing effect
>why's it so hard?
i dunno dude, you might just be a talentlet.

>>4891149
You're dumb for thinking simple equals easy. Same for making something appealing.

>>4891149
I don't know how you triggered copyfags this badly.

But that's a good question, and it's simply because the drawing coordination you have isn't there yet. Heads ARE easier than nearly everything when you don't suck.

>>4891670
>Heads ARE easier than nearly everything when you don't suck.
You are retarded, faces are the what human brains are designed to recognize, you can make slight mistakes in anything, and it will look okay to most, fuck up smallest thing in face? anyone will see.

>>4891670
heads are only easier than everything else because you've practiced them way more.

>>4891677
I've practicing them way less than anything else, they're just easy.

>>4891706
post them

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>>4891860
>>4891860

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Is one year enough to GMI?

>>4892394
Lmao

>>4892449
Y u laugh ;- (