/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

For example

>drawing old hags
I pass

>>4879451
never gonna make it

>>4879446
>hey guys can you draw my grandpa for free ill just present it as an opportunity for you to study hehe

>>4879457
yes my grandaddy President Eisenhower. This board is in such a sorry state, no one can even be fucked doing a short study.

>I got commissioned this portrait of a president but im not doing it bro, but lets just study it! : D
fuck off

>>4879468
same fag.

What is this:
>>4879448

go back to /beg/. (Actually attempt anyway, it's good practice anon)

Neat OP, i remember doing this same pic years ago on this board. Will attempt it again and see if I made progress. Fuck all the NGMI naysayers ITT

>>4879483
Thanks anon. I enjoyed the thread back then so I thought I'd share it again. Good luck, hope you made good progress.

Better resolution of ref

Well it's kind of terrible but I don't have the energy to care.

ez old man

>>4879510
>>4879511
OH NO NO NO NO!!!

>>4879510
Nice attempt, every thoughtful drawing results in improvement. I would try a more measured approach later if you can be fucked.

>>4879511
sexy

>>4879504
TY

>>4879473
>Go back to beg
How the fuck is that beg

>>4879527
back in 2013 even vilppu himself wouldnt dare to post outside of /beg/
nowadays every bed shitter thinks hes int

>>4879529
source and who is that

>>4879527
no I was telling the seething samefag to go back to beg. The pic isn't beg.
>>4879531
This is true though

>>4879537
photobooth by raymond queneau
it's the french surrealist writer and mathematician raymond queneau

>>4879527
you should learn how to read a bit better and not just assume every sentence under a quote is directed at that post

>>/ic/thread/S1727928

People actually drew in 2014

>>4879953
Wish we could have threads like this still. It's pathetic.

>>4879953
look at how many fucking people actually did it
the state of this board

also I wonder who of those have made it in some way since '14

>>4879953


Goddamn holy fuck I found the one I did back in that thread. I am comparing it to the one I did this afternoon and at least I can see progress. I needed that for my morale.

>>4879974

Do your part and draw one too, anon!

>>4880006
>>4879997

Same goes for you

>>4879446
This ended up being my warmup this morning! Reminds me of fast sketches of people in public I used to do all the time - not a great likeness... but close enough.

>>4879997
>also I wonder who of those have made it in some way since '14
Brian posted in that thread so idk anon... he really has been on this board forever hasn't he?

>>4880033
Based

>>4880033
Holy shit Brian can see the future

"In drawing portraits, I have found out that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable."

>>4880033

Wow, this is shit but it is actually better than what he produces now

>>4880033
he had soul, it's sad

I should soften some edges up but I'm sick of it for today.

>>4879448

This is so good how do i get there

Only spent an hour and a half on it. I gotta sleep and I might never finsih so might as well post it

It's really sad to see that 2014 /ic/ was actually worthwhile compared to what we have now

>>4879457
you are legit a mentally decrepit retard, I am surprised you are able to pick up a pencil with the severe autism you suffer from.

>>4880033
>brain has stayed /beg/in the same time it took tableguy to GIT GUD
WEW

>>4879457
Any excuses to get out of posting work I see

>>4880153
Less soft edges and more blending to match the rest of the rendering. Otherwise it looks very off.

>>4880471

Okay noted. Where does it look off, can you point out something specific because I'm retarded. Thanks for your help!

>>4879953
MAKE /IC/ GREAT AGAIN

>>4880153
agree with other anon, less softness
>>4880202
nice
>>4880359
he looks like hes had too many cheeseburgers

Good job boys.

I tried

>>4879446
How do I get likeness down guys?

I've plateaued for years now.

>>4881175
have you tried the bargue plates? I find sight-size pretty helpful for training likeness.

>>4881175
>those peepers
how much anime do you draw anon? be honest.

>>4880477

Come on anom at least try to draw what you see

second week painting
think this turned out pretty good for ~2h study

>56 posts
>only 10 ppl actually drew
come on guys.

>>4879448
>paint over a photo
>heh guys check me out

>>4882163

Is it so hard to grasp for you that some people can draw?

done 6 years ago

>>4882398
Lots to improve on. Do it again.

A bit over 30 min

>>4882591
I like this but I think you got lazy with the ear, the nose, the chin (on his left). Maybe you should do studies on these parts. Moreover, the clothing has thickness that you didn't capture, making it look flat and hard to read at the collar. Nice work anon.

>>4882163
This isn't traced, but you would have no clue because you are unskilled. Cope harder.

>>4880254
hard round brush

New to digital.

>>4882763
muddy lights

https://youtu.be/6vapw6n6FyU

>>4879446
This is what happens when you only draw anime faces. The uncanniness is uncanny

>>4882591
>star of david
kek

>>4882998

It's not as bad as you think it is. The eyes have a hint of likeness, the real problem area is the muzzle/mouth

The skill level in the old thread was much, much higher. Wtf /ic/

>>4879448
this is very cool anon very good job

>>4879953
>pic
>those comments
>actual critic
>all those drawings
When was /ic/ first added as a board? How did it all go so far downhill?

>>4883811
>>4884141
you newfags have no idea.

also can /pol/ fuck of back to their containment hole?

>>4884176
did /pol/ invent the NGMI and neuroplasticity memes?

>>4884269
Hi. I'm a newfag, what does GMI and NGMI mean? also /int/ ? Sorry, can't seem to adapt easily with the vocab here

>>4884323
NGMI - Not Gonna Make It (in the industry)
/int/ - Intermediate (skill level)
/beg/ - Beginner
Loomis - Popular author of art instruction books
PYW - Post your work
Hard Round Brush - Meme digging at the request for which digital brushes an artist used in an illustration

>>4884331
Thank you!

>>4884331
You forgot some: ligameme, spark, merc wip, blog, gesture battle, feel the form, a thread died, just draw

>>4884443
Ligameme - old meme, you will not see this
Spark - old meme as well, replaced by soul/souless
Merc wip - old meme, an image posted in response to calls to PYW
Blog? - the scourge upon /ic/. If you see a blogposter in the wild, flagellate them. DO NOT, under any circumstances, reply with your blog. Blogposters must be shot on sight
Gesture Battle - another old meme, one shitposter wanted to make figure drawing into a battle of who could do them better, an attempted coup on pyw-posters
Feel The Form - A saying from Vilppu's popular gesture drawing course, generic catch-all reply to people asking for figure drawing advice
A Thread Died For This - not /ic/ specific
Just Draw - A common reply to people who get too hung up on the proper, perfect method for drawing that they never end up actually drawing.

Tried to draw it. No i'm not going to read loomis.

>>4884994
I don't want to be offensive but it really reminded me of Pepe...

>>4885376
No offense taken that’s pretty based.

A-am I doing it right?

>>4879953
mine was actually nice. haven't improved a bit in six and a half years
in my deffense, this is just a hobby, i know i'm ngmi

>>4886728

Which was yours? I want to see. Also, maybe you did improve, no knowing for sure until you do it again.

>>4879953
>my old pic in there
>made no progress in 6 years

>>4879446
Hi Laura! Huge fan

>>4886213
if you're gonna flatten all the shadow values you might as well make it go all the way to 90-100% black so the nuances in light value really stand out

>>4886745
mine was this one https://i.warosu.org/data/ic/img/0017/27/1400905865512.jpg
no way i'm doing it again, it woudn't be fun

>>4879953
>>4879446
Imagine if I actually studied those six years

>>4886923

Good on you for getting lots better though. Despite what the retards on here tell you art gains are a slow process. Be proud you stuck with it and fuck all the shitty defeatists on this board.

>>4886765

who

>>4879446
I burned out.
I need to work on:
>patience
>art too flat
>construction
>values
>linework
Any other advice?
>>4886923
Cool work anon. As long as you don’t regress, any progress is good.

>>4879446
>>4879953
goddamn time flies by so fast

I can never get the eyes to look right when drawing portraits

>>4888028
You draw them first, I bet. Instead of the overall structure, and then measure/observe their size/placement, right? And then you're so deep into the drawing, erasing/adjusting them is a problem.
Common beginner mistake.

First time I've actually used a reference I found on /ic/ instead of just putting it in my ref folder "for later"! XD

>>4879446
20 min
fuckin awful i hate this shit, but good exercise thank you op.

I guess I'm not over my problem of completely ignoring the reference when I get into it

>>4882163
Yeah, it looks identical, too identical, it's a paintover job.

>>4888304
this looks really good as a thumbnail, but loses all appeal at full size, get some hard edges in there man, your values are great, you're just lacking in edge control

>>4888481
not necessarely: you can be that precise by alt-tabbing, using a grid, matching zoom and location with 2 windows in ps, etc
anyway, it requires a consicious, autistic effort, but sometimes that's precisely what you want to do, as practice

>>4886213
i fucking love this i saved it, im a beg but this is inspiring me

>>4886923
soul/soulless

>>4889001

Shut up retard.

>>4887999
Is this what 6years of improvement looks like??

>>4888586
yeah, I guess I'm compensating for the fact that I suck at shape design at this point by using overly low opacity without thinking about edges at all, which then leads to this

thanks, I rarely if ever get any feedback, I think I'm going to dedicate a week or two just to get up to speed with edges

>>4889504
not the other guy, but this sounds good. Practice your edges, shapes. I think this aesthetic is really working though, so try not to lose that. Really like you taking liberty with the reference too. Good job anon

>>4889868
>practice your edges+shapes

not him, but how does that work if you have a style like that anon?

>>4879451
>doesn't even know the meaning of the words he uses
NGMI

This turned out worse than I expected. Guess it's good I did it.

>>4888304
lowkey, rembrandt-esque. i like it, lots of emotion, despite not looking very much like the ref.

Looks a little like Trump, but I've spent too much time on it already.

Ended up looking a little too much like Trump.

>>4894526
>>4894533
Just ignore one of these.

>>4893902
tremendous like you wouldn't believe, this portrait is beautiful just like the phone call was beautiful.

>>4879446
Spent over almost three hours on this, how did I do?

>>4892578
The line work is good, but he looks like he’s got some tumors growing on him.

>>4895690
imo it looks great!

>>4895690
5/10

>>4895690
Pretty good, but the values need work. Push them darks, boy.

>no replies
I- I guess I've surpassed all of you

>>4894526
You got the general shape of him just fine. The lines don’t feel that confident just yet. Try to imagine there’s a “limited amount” of strokes you can make with a pen on paper, or line economy.

>>4897022
get used. /ic/ is useless at the "critique" part
at least you got some practice, and can compare your piece to other poster's ones by yourself

>>4879446

>>4900549
sseth?

>>4900549
neat

>>4900549
social media?

>>4879446
Can I put it on a separate background? Like for a flat form.

>>4901560
>>4901557
>>4901506
@explosive_art
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/4967174
Twin Tails Cruise/Tosaka6ix9ine

>>4879451
>>4879457
>>4879468
This board is dead and zoomers killed it.

>>4902389

I hate it

>>4893902
The rendering in the face isn’t terrible, but you need to focus more on value grouping. Would also suggest picking up some charcoal if you’re going to do value studies traditionally. It will be easier for you to block in shapes completely instead of the messy tones you have right now.

>>4892578
Try not to outline your shapes. Go for bigger shapes first, then add smaller. Squint and group your values.
>>4888028
The eyes seem flat/symbol drawn. Do some studies and pay attention to how eyelids/brow ridge interact, especially in males, and the waterline of the eye. By making these more prominent, you can better show the form of the eye.
>>4887999
Nice improvement, especially in the likeness.

>>4887791
> everything is shit
> what else is shit?
nah that pretty much covers it

Your lines are _really_ hard i can almost feel the frustration, because mine looked like this every time, i was about to hang myself.

Getting a good kneading eraser and learning how to dip to lighten up entire areas is like a cheat code anon.

>>4900549
>>4901506
>>4901557
>>4901560
>>4901670

Samefagging is pathetic my man

>>4879457
Lmao

>>4879448
its accurate but could be made more interesting with more edge variation

>>4906896

That was from the 2014 thread, the anon who did it is probably long gone. Care to crit some of the current entries?

I had a go, but i think it ended up looking more like Trump somehow.

>>4907787

Best ITT

>>4879999
nice

I gave it a shot.

>>4907787
nice

>>4879446
>>4879953
Complete proof that /ic/ is better now than 6 years ago. Truly fucking horrible pieces of shit.

>>4912518

Do you have eyes? Eyes that can see?

>>4879446
Same boy, different time

>>4910160
Try building a foundation from sketching very lightly and filling in shapes with a broad, even tone, then build on top of it with those darker values. It's great that you're willing to push down hard and create contrast, but it could use a little more care. Starting out with very light shapes also allows for more correction of the forms which is difficult enough with trad art. Don't wanna rip that paper

>>4910334
>>4895690

Same thing with these, too much contrast too early in the process, plus there are all these little brush strokes everywhere for no reason. Make your brush size really big at first, and focus on overall forms. Digital medium makes this really easy. Once you got your humaneque blobs down, you can feel free to go in on smaller and smaller details.

BTW, Coax Illust on YT made a simple but good value study tutorial not too long ago.

>>4879446
What was supposed to be a 30 minite doodle turned into 2 hours. Thanks op, this was fun and I discovered I really like drawing wrinkles.

>>4880010
Nice
Loos like you turned back the clock on time and made him a young man again.

>>4880477
Looks to me like a abstract zombie version.

>>4885387
>>4885376
Kinda want to embrace this as our boards pepe with different reacrion faces.

>>4907787
likeness aside, this is fantastic. I think you've surpassed getting any meaningful critique from /ic/

>>4907787
did you construct with pencil first? or is this all pen?

>>4886213
Love the style.
Right side around the ear and chest is muddy.

>>4915177

I don't think you know what muddy means

>>4913912
cope filter.

>>4907787
Good technique and stylization, but both the likeness and values are off.

>>4915175
Just pen

>>4916430
How do you put the first few lines without messing up?

my effort

I fcked the nose

Well fuck mine doesn't even look like the reference. 15 min.

>>4879446
I suck at realism, but it was really fun. And I'm too lazy to finish him up. Kudos for study session, OP, and nice job to anons who participated.

>>4919143
I try to draw as lightly as possibly in the beginning. Even with pen you can get lines that are barely visible.

I would say that I do mess up and misplace things, but in a drawing like this where there are layers and layers of hatching, if you start out by drawing lightly, the bad lines that you inevitably put down will not end up having a great impact on the overall impression of the drawing, unless maybe they cut across a highlight or something. In the thing i posted here for instance, I placed the chin too low at first, and so there is a barely visible line below where the chin eventually ended up being. But the point is that you don't really notice it and it doesnt in any way interfere with the reading of the face because the background and the actual chin just mostly covers it.

And even if a mistake is in a light area where you can't easily cover it with hatching in the same way, if you've drawn lightly enough, it wont be a problem, because all your work will eventually be put into your hopefully correctly placed elements, and the value and contrast of those will completely overpower any awkward out of place line.

In general I find that when initially placing the elements of the face, you tend to look for downfacing, dark planes anyway, and in those you have more room for error. So in the core shadow of the inside of the eyesocket for instance, if I place it slightly too high or low at first, it doesn't really matter because there is the eyebrow above which also has tone, and there is more shadow below it also. So I have some wiggle room to move it up and down, if that makes sense because that entire area will eventually get more layers of hatching.

I'm not very conscious of my process nor am I used to articulating what I am doing, but I hope that makes sense.
I guess tldr is that you draw lightly and try to only make mistakes in the dark parts that will end up being hatched over anyway :P

>>4920477
thanks for articulating, I found this very helpful. Currently getting into all ink drawings.
On an aside, I think it's worth pondering your method/approach to drawing. Understanding what and why you do something will allow you to take it to another level of creativity, efficiency or style. For instance I think your hatching technique will be fertile ground for experimentation. Thank again, I'm going to refer to this and your drawing as I continue to study ink.