/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Don't worry the pain will come back.

>>4878910
True Sadge

GMI

Biggest meme to come out of proko is that there is a "right way" to study Bridgman that involves massive meticulous tonal shading work for each muscle.

Fuck you you fucking misleading uppity cunt.

>>4878950
Mmmmmm I got a LOT out of shading Bridgman.

>>4878910
IT is a cycle, the more the cycle repeats the more gmi

>>4878950
I think Proko makes a lot of misleading videos. I'm still pissed off that he made gesture confusing by conflating it with animator's lines of action.

how is marshalls bridgman bootcamp?

>>4878955
I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm saying that him presenting it as a "This is how you should study bridgman" is complete bullshit. I get it, he sees himself as some kind of a fucking messiah with his bridgman fetish. Get that horseshit out of here.

>>4878984
I participated. I think I have the recordings somewhere on another laptop that I took while the videos were up.

It was bad. Marshall completely steered off course and got people to do all kinds of shit and was basically wasting everyone's time. There is a lot of mythologizing of Bridgman going on. These fuckers are reading tea leaves like the guy holds keys to the temple of solomon or some shit. Fucking bananas.

He has a few good quips here and there. Insights that normally you wouldn't really discuss. But I feel bad for people who thought they were going to get something concrete out of it - ie, the people who haven't had a lot of figure drawing experience or wanted to actually learn this stuff. Those, I think, were the ones that truly got ripped the fuck off.

I went in there without any expectations, so I didn't really give a fuck in the end.

I got way, way, way the fuck more value out of Vilppu's pre-NMA videos and Houston's NMA stuff. I mean, not even a fucking comparison. Vilppu's damaged VHS tapes where someone is making noises with the drawing pad in the background just wipe the floor with Marshall's bullshit.

>>4878994
Is it worth watching the pirated copy of it if I just want to learn how to draw like bridgman?

>>4879006
No, in fact Marshall finally gave it up within the first session (or was it the second). I was waiting for it patiently because I knew it would come up. And the cat was out of the bag:

Bridgman's approach is sculptural. There's no secret to this but it surprised me that nobody in the Zoom chat went "Marshall, why don't we learn Bridgman's method of seeing by doing sculpture?". Because that shit is too obvious and flies over the head of most people. I'll never understand people who try to teach themselves drawing by taking a sculptors mentality, when they haven't done a single day worth of sculpting. It's fucking dumb.

Get some clay. Sculpt a figure using planes, starting from the most major masses such as the pelvic box and the torso, and then go into smaller and smaller forms adhering to the anatomy. That's all Bridgman is.

This mythology is just fucking sad. Artists making it massively difficult for themselves looking up to this dead guy as some kind of a messiah.

Pardon the rant - I'm slowly realizing how misguided /ic/ is in many ways and the ignorance in the threads is becoming very apparent.

>tfw the pain has never left me and even to this day I absolutely hate everything I make

>>4879016
Just to end this off on a high note: when you do a few figures in clay out of planes, it will reflect in your drawing immediately since you'll develop a habit of looking for planes to break the figure down into as you're drawing it. Which isn't a bad habit at all, because people tend to make figures look weak by using too many curved lines, or worse yet, lines that curve inwards. Fucking gross.

This might seem like it will take you down the wrong path, but Bridgman was a sculptor. If you want to "draw like Bridgman", you're best off doing what Bridgman did rather than copying some xerox'd chickenscratch shit that his students copied down from him.

>>4879026
>>4879016
Do you think sculpting in zbrush would be similar?

>>4879039
I don't know. I played in it a bit but I stick to clay. You're better off asking someone else. I'm a tradfag.

>>4879016
Vilppu's really fucking good at making you think in planes. Especially if you take his "modelling tone" and "cylinder" lessons seriously.

>>4878905
Pyw

>>4878905
Learning how to do constuction with peter han hhas giving me this feeling. I can finally approach any subject and know how got about drawing it and its just amazing, even better is actually seeing the real time progress by day. It so freeing to have fool proof strategy to go about creating things. I love it.

>>4879026
Did you follow a course or just buy some clay and start sculpting?
I don't really know how to get started.

>>4878994
Fug this is depressing. I was looking forward to watching this

>>4878994
Last 3 videos where he actually starts breaking down body parts are where it gets good, just watch those, the rest is total beginner shit

>>4879216
Where do I learn it or what I should be looking for?

>>4879755
Theres a link in the video general (search peter han and the two books call in the artbook called dynamic bible. There's also dynamic sketching with erik olofsso and of course the infamous DAB. Thrown in framed perspective vol 1 and 2 you'll be in good hands

>>4879266
I learned under a teacher but you have shit today that I didn't have back then. NMA has a bunch of video series on sculpture which look pretty good.

Having a teacher esp. if you are not good at drawing already would probably save you a lot of time with dealing with proportion issues. You want to minimize the amount of time that it takes you before you can simply execute. Nonetheless, it takes time to learn how to use the modelling tools.

Books, videos - you've got a bunch of sculptors on NMA, you've got Philip Faraut, Luchessi and Eduard Lanteri or however their names are spelled, and so on.

When in doubt, consult renaissance sculptor works. You can, and should, shamelessly copy their designs. How did they approach the head (eyes, noses, ear, hair, facial hair, etc), the body (male vs. female) and so on. But always start from large planar slabs.

>>4879705
Imagine as if it never existed and you won't be disappointed.

>>4879721
Even those were pretty meh tier. Again, I went through it, I did some draw-alongs anyway because he just didn't really teach anything.

Anyway just my 2c. I don't want anons reading this to get the wrong idea. Bridgman's teacher was Gerome who was a very, very proficient sculptor himself and a lot of his oriental paintings have a blocky and sculptural aesthetic. Bridgman picked up a lot of shit from Gerome, but for whatever reason he gets the credit for being some alpha draftsman rather than Gerome which I always found pretentious (the master was much, much better than the student ever was).

There is no "right way" to do this stuff either, but if you ever want to do "what he did", then re-tracing their footsteps is not a bad way.