/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4876106
How cares about the characters, how you draw a ball with a flat in it?

>>4876106
Sakimichan is the queen of polished turds.

>just draw bro

>>4876135
that's what happens when you don't just draw and start rendering instead. many such cases.

>>4876128
i could almost forgive the ball if everything else wasn't textbook ngmi

>>4876106
>At least they can finish a piece

>>4876132
And she draws better than you ever will, begtard

>>4876128
what is english
how speak

completely snapped torso

>>4876135
It's like if the stonks guy had to make a girly calendar

>>4876172
my exact thoughts

>>4876252
Touched a nerve, did I?

>>4876286
pyw

>>4876256
Well... to be fair, the piece's target audience cares about the ass, and everything else is negotiable.

>>4876106
Pyw

>>4876254
It's a typo 3rd worldfag
>>4876289
You know he won't

>>4876106
Polish me like one of your french turds

>>4876355

>>4876355
those arms look a bit short
apart from that, I don't see any striking issues

Just about everyone on dad lmao.

>>4876360
Please go back to /beg/ and leave the rest of us kind souls to laugh at the failures of those like you in peace

>>4876370
NAMES

>>4876263

>>4876371
Oh shut up. I’m not that anon but it’s clearly just a beginner piece and it’s not that bad. Obviously it has errors but it’s nothing noteworthy, it’s a very obvious run of the mill beginner piece and that’s nothing special.
Polished turds refer to truly abysmal work with awful fundamental issues but high skill elsewhere to distract from the flaws. That’s why it’s called a polished turd and things like >>4876135 are prime candidates as such. You are applying a much higher skill to dogshit fundamentals.

>>4876370
Anyone who starts with a c

Fucking boring. If you have the time to criticize bad art then you have the time to study art or do something useful. /ic/ has such useful threads but as a board it's bogged down by gay shit like this.

>>4876488
This
What the hell has happened to this board
It used to be that you’d get told to fuck off and go draw instead with threads like these, now this shit pops up every now and then along with twitter threads talking about literally whos

>>4876469
not him, but no way in hell this is some hapless /beg/ doing his best and not some rendermoney shitting out speedpaints for normalfags to eat up because of how much shit went right this image. this is clearly a nigga in a rush to flex that neither took a step back, nor flipped their canvas at any point during this piece, and is more that worthy of being mocked for it

>>4876488
Hide, sage, and report shit threads.

>>4876488
Fucking boring. If you have the time to be a humorless loser who doesn't want to laugh at comically bad work then you have the time to study art or do something useful.

>>4876338
>fuck up the whole sentence
>i-it's a typo dummy

>>4876593
> faggot studder
Continue being big mad about bad grammar Pedro, I'm sure you'll get into America someday.

>>4876469
Look up what beginner means, retard. This is solid /int/.

>>4876500
This. No fucking way that's a beg. It's a Sakimi six finger incident except in many places.

>>4876500
How is it not a beginner work? The entire thing is muddy and the values are bad. Take a black and white gradient map over it and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Person has no idea how to thumbnail composition or even has a grasp on solid anatomy. Their general knowledge is lacking but it’s not a total train wreck. They are totally a beg who can’t even paint yet and is still learning anatomy, just because they slosh some colours around on the canvas doesn’t mean they are out of that stage yet. For it not to be beg they would have to be knowing what they are doing to some degree but they don’t, none of that drawing makes any sense painting wise and it’s a muddy nightmare. They’re just guessing because they’re a beginner.

>>4876884
You have got to be joking lol. Get some standards, this is nowhere near intermediate level. Just because it seems like there is detail doesn’t mean there actually is. Actually look at what is on that canvas, it’s literally just guesswork.

>>4876135
seriously though, how the fuck does something like this happen? I refuse to believe that whoever drew this wasn't very high, drunk, or joking.

>>4876289
>>4876338
Are you Sakimichan patrons or something? Why so defensive?

>>4876256
This would be fine if the foreshortening on the legs was way stronger

>>4876500
>>4876884
>>4876895
This is core /beg/, retards.
>/int/
That’s a newfag cope from 2019, /int/ doesn’t exist.
Take a look at the the actual threads >>4872464 >>4865423 there are better rendered exercises in there

>>4877195
I love how /ic/ has degenerated to the point that anybody who's not a professional industry concept artist is considered /beg/

>>4877215
>degenerated
is this bait or just extreme newfag?
beg and pro are literally the only two distinctions ever made before the surge of newfags ruined the board and brought the bar below any reasonable standard
here’s a draw and beg thread from 2016 and a draw thread from 2013
compare these to the current threads
>>/ic/thread/S2696659
>>/ic/thread/S2695717
>>/ic/thread/S1550383
Maybe if you stripped making up subcategories of “I can’t draw for shit” in order to put yourself above people trying to wrap their head around loomis, you wouldn’t be so shit at art

>>4876355
what is this expression trying to convey

>>4877229
Draw thread from 2013

>>4877229
/beg/ thread from 2020

>>4877229
Oldfag pointing out the real degenerates here nice

>>4877316
>>4877315
Cherry picking

>>4877321
Draw thread from 2013

>>4877321
Recent /beg/ thread from 2020

>>4877327
>>4877328
See:
>>4877321
>Cherry picking

>i-if I cherry-pick maybe I can pretend the quality hasn’t massively dropped and the draw thread isn’t just /beg/ with delusions of not being shit

>>4877229
can I get a rundown on what happened to this board? I haven't been on since 2014. It's now full of racists, pedos, deviants and weebs. Where did all these losers come from and where are the mods?

And gross shit like loli, furry, etc and stupid twitter feud threads should be banned.

>I-I am not /beg/ I am lowermid /int/ I do not belong in the beginner thread I’ve been practicing for 6 months!

>>4877335
>>4877333
You forgot about this one

>>4877334
Uhhh.... no idea where they came from but its really bad right now with quarantines making people bored and come to visit

>>4877335
How is this beg?

>>4877341
yeah we didn't have /beg/ back then, so this wasn't unusual
>>4877342
makes sense. The draw thread is still pretty decent but its a shame it's not the main thread anymore.

>>4877334
post election fags flooded every board on 4chan when the website as a whole became more popular and the quality of threads in every non-niche board took a nosedive as a result

>>4877334
most people who were working hard left by like 2015 or so
then we were left with eternal begs, newfags and the occasional 3 man raid that successfully pushed some shitty meme, free work draw this threads or some political activism shit under the guise of pic not related like the belarus protest thing a week or two ago
twitter threads are a site wide issue, it’s just part of the “culture” now, nothing to do about it
with the bar dropping lower all the time, you get seething begs driving people who actually put in effort out of /beg/ because /beg/ is now floating loomis heads and nothing else, both exiled and delusional begs postings basic exercises like rendering cones in the draw thread, driving people who aren’t begs off the board because there’s no point posting in a thread where most people posting and “critiquing” are fucking garbage

the biggest irony that pic related got memed to hell and back, but is now probably in top 1% of the board
the resources are still top tier and you can find very knowledgeable people and good information in specific niche fields, but generally the board is worse than its ever been

>>4877341
/beg/ didn’t exist in 2013
it got made precisely to prevent what we have now

>>4877359
>>4877360
Lame. Jannies could possibly clean this place up but I guess they won't.
Resources are still good, I'd argue it's even easier to find good stuff. That's enough benefit for serious artists anyway as they'll be practicing regardless of the community.
CA, CGhub, /ic/, etc were good while they lasted though

>>4877360
>>4877363
>>4877388
well this sounds disappointing. I just got here and keep my shit in /beg/. Are there any better communities that aren't being shitted up?

>>4877404
no lol

>>4877316
I don't think it's fair to include /beg/s here. They're still nailing down their fundies after all.

>>4877404
No.

>>4877345
you're joking right? If not then you should be practicing instead of posting stupid shit.

>>4877420
That's not beg

>>4877341
>>4876356
SOUL

>>4877420
I've never wanted someone to pyw more.

>>4877420
>>4877453
>>4877638
I posted the image, I never said it was beg, it was to illustrate what a non beg work used to mean as opposed to what the guy was implying

>>4877646
Are you telling me >>4877335 used to be considered beg?

>>4877694
No, you stupid faggot, I fucking said “non beg” and “I never said it was beg”
You’re such a stupid fucking nigger

>>4877704
Sounded to me like you were implying work like that was barely out of /beg/ back in the day

>>4877420
Thank you for proving this is just a bait thread, next time try harder.

>>4877335
>crabbing this hard on people who are actually finishing pieces and seeing them all the way trhu

guess who's gonna make it into the industry retard

>>4877732
m-me?

>>4877388
>jannies
>a force force for good
pick ONE

>>4877334
Dumb newfag.

>>4877333
at last i truly see the power of 2013 /ic/

>>4877877
see
>>4877351
>>4877363

>>4877884
>the surge of newfags ruined the board and brought the bar below any reasonable standard
based retard

>>4877790
YESSSSSS

>>4876106
Everything I've done.

>>4876965
It might come as a surprise to you but people don't necessarily follow a fully rational thought process. The person probably knew there was something wrong but were too much of a beginner to address the issues. Generally being scared of making it worse, ruining the result of so much effort (sunk cost fallacy) or simply no idea how to fix it will potentially cause things to get that bad.

There's also the fact that the person clearly worked really zoomed in and spent many hours with their head stuck in the drawing polishing the turd, to the point where everything wrong with it gets normalized and doesn't seem as bad.

t.guy responsible for pic related a few years back

>>4876986
theres nothing defensive about making fun of crabs attacking successful artists, pyw then maybe you'll be taken seriously

>>4876256

>>4878243
This is a thread about polished turds. I made one comment mentioning that Sakimichan polishes turds, which for some reason upset you to the point where you started making personal attacks on art you haven't even seen.
So once again: why are you so emotionally invested in Sakimichan?

here is one of mines

>>4878370
Not the worst gj anon

>>4878372
I mostyle hate how I left the upper chest area
it really ruins it
I could have re-done it but I just followed the bad lineart

>>4878370
The worst thing in this piece is the rendering. Can you show the lineart?

>>4878376
well ok

>>4876139
everyone who shits on "just draw" should read this

>>4876617
What? Keep projecting you babbling retard

>>4876135
the composition is so interesting tho

>>4878381
Very cute. Your colored version is pretty good, it just needs more shading and texture. You'll see a lot of improvement just by setting the brush to lower opacity and blending.

>>4877328

ouch , never posting my art here again

>>4879081
don't give up anon, keep trying

>>4879088

is my art that bad?

>>4879091
Yes, you are not a special snowflake.

>>4878370
Fuck off attention whore

>>4876256

>>4876469
Anon I...

>>4876135
remember when /ic/ made a redline thread for this and people still can't wrap their head around the overall composition
this image is cursed I tells ya

>>4879081
If you haven't noticed by now this board is 90% spiteful dipshits who have no interest in learning to draw but every interest in tearing everyone around them down to their level.
Posting here is a mistake.
Talking to anyone here is a mistake.
Doing ANYTHING but taking stuff from the sticky and torrent threads and then fucking right back off to practice is a mistake.

>>4879081
You do realize that he posted yours as a positive example right? It's from /beg/ yet better than the /draw/ image he posted. That was the point.

>>4879278

>>4879297
You are kinda just proving his point.

>>4879300
Did you just take that seriously

>>4879305
Still a spiteful dip-shit.

>>4879318
I’m the dipshit? kek

>>4879326
Fuck off with your frogs, retard.

>>4879286

didn't realize that i just skimmed through this thread my mistake

>>4876135
Soul

>>4879278
this is da way

trolololololol

yeet

*dab*

>tfw le wojack frog man face when

my art circa 2014

>>4879297
You just proved his point.

I kek'd tho.

>>4876256
coomers who pay for content like this wont care about that bro

>>4879367
Insult me one more time. Just do it. Got the balls?

>>4879367
Nah

>>4878234
what does your art look like currently?

>>4878234
>(sunk cost fallacy)
That has nothing to do wuth what you're talkimg about.

>>4878234
>(sunk cost fallacy)
That has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

>>4876106

>>4880492
man, she made her black. that sucks

>>4876356
God I fucking hate absouluted shitters that sign every single thing they draw like anyone would want to copy it.
Signing work unless you have already made it is the ultimate in self indulgent turd polishing.

>>4879459
what does ur art look like now, I remember seeing the big gains you made using istebrak a couple years back

>>4881374
She didn't really, the face looks nothing like a black face.

>>4879459
This is not polished though

>>4881381
Not only that, but it's just a shitty copy of a panel from the (one punch man) Manga. It's not even original

>>4881381
I think you are going too far here but I agree, never signed my own work and won't for another few years at least. But you should always date your drawings even if you just started out.

>>4880415
He's right actually, he meant a beginner feels reluctant to make huge changes for the fear of completely ruining a piece he'd invested so much time and effort already. That's sunk cost fallacy.

>>4876256
artistic decision on body langage to imply that she would snap my cock with that huge ass

>>4879411
those are youtube memes

old danganronpa splash art had a lot of polished turds

>>4881650
worst offender

>>4881651
Holy fucking shit that's official art? LMFAO AHA

>>4876106
literally anything sakimichan does

>>4881606
That is not sunk cost fallacy. That is practically the opposite of sunk cost fallacy.
Sunk cost fallacy is when you keep going with something because you've already wasted so many resources on it already.
What that anon described was not trying to fix something out of fear of ruining it.

>>4881650
>>4881651
neither of these are polished

>>4881381
it is a bit much to sign a low effort sketch like that, but putting your name on your work is one way to help people trace back to the source and get some traffic
it's always about ego stroking you petty whiner

>>4882256
By what metric?

>>4882262
by any metric
they’re muddy and quickly done and they didn’t even attempt to blend the brushstrokes
it’s not what polished turd means
it means spending an inordinate amount of time polishing what is a fundamentally lacking drawing, not just applying basic color to one

>>4882280
That is a full color, fully rendered image with blending. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>4878234
how is it possible that people get this good at rendering while being so bad at drawing? I can't understand.

>>4878370
you're getting better asukafag, that face is really nice. btw, i wanted to tell you to checkout this artist 2dpanda. it's quite similar to your style, might help you out.

>>4882449
The rendering is not better than the drawing here, you probably just don't have much experience with digital rendering

>>4881374
i think it's just a tanned jap. hence cute face

>>4882455
yea im terrible at rendering. my drawing is way beyond my rendering. so i couldn't polish a turd if i wanted to. i could smear a turd on a decent drawing which is what every one of my drawings looks like as i learn to render.

>>4882346
>fully rendered
>t. retarded crab nigger
there’s more polished rendering in /beg/, that’s a step above a layin

>>4882346
>fully rendered

>>4882514
>>4882495
What is it you believe "fully rendered" means?
And what does crab have to do with anything? People here are so sensitive lmao

>>4880415
>>4882243
>Sunk cost fallacy is when you keep going with something because you've already wasted so many resources on it already.
Yes exactly. You spent hours rendering that character's face, surely you wouldn't want to ruin everything by fixing the construction.

>>4880364
I'm still a rendertard because I find it relaxing, but I'm not as bad as I used to be.

>>4882940
>newfag retard
>here’s my opinions
fuck off

>>4880492
All modern Sakimi pieces are like that, it's insane

This tragedy from last spring that I luckily never finished. Might redraw it someday

>>4882449
Basically the only contact with any sort of art community were the shitty channels on Youtube of people who copy photos. So I got this idea that focusing on the details and rendering better would be the key to good drawings, because I had never heard of values or lighting. I would just zoom in on anything until I was mostly done, realize it looked like shit but still push myself to finish (the background is much less rendered because of this).

>>4883191
lol thatlooks like jon tron or young ron jeremy or some shit

>>4876256
>>4879120
But broken spines are sexy af anon! You're clearly just a fatass crab if you can't twist your torso like that!

>>4883162
Newfag? I'm asking why you're calling me a crab, not what 'crab' means, brainlet.

And the only thing in that post that could be called an opinion is that people here are sensitive, which your posts make pretty clear.

>>4878765
wtf yeah

>>4879297
is it based on grammar rules or is just a joke?

>>4876355
yo this looks like fuji memes

>>4879297
Kek, good one

>>4884955
No rules, only tools

>>4879081
He was complimenting you lol

Actually, I remember when you posted this piece. I critiqued it a bit but as a general note gave you an overall good job.

But yeah, he was complimenting you. He's basically arguing with the guy by showing him "/beg/ os more competetent than it ever has been, here's the evidence" and the other guy is defending with "cherry picking." Granted, it is, for the most part, cherry picking, but I would say that 40% of people in /beg/ threads are able to pass as /int/ if that tier existed anymore, and you would fit there, along with this >>4877316 anon. You would both be /int/ is what he's saying

>>4876256
This isn't really a polished turd, it's got an anatomy issue with some perspective problems but not a polished turd, the artist just needs to keep improving.
>>4879644
>>4883266
And here are the man hating cunts who act like anatomy issues only exist in sexy artwork so they can shit on men expressing any sense of sexuality.

>>4881582
She only draws one face so that's irrelevant here. She made her black for the diversity points.

>>4883205
This actually explains a lot of bad art. I never thought that those concepts would be unknown to anyone trying to draw, but I guess not everyone is autistic like me.

>>4888961
You sound like the kind of neckbeard who needs cartoons and video games to jack off.
Like, porn is free, dude. You wanna look at tits and ass, look at porn.

>>4883191
>Might redraw
seems risky. a redraw of this is doomed to look utterly soulless by comparison.

>>4889426
There you go again, nothing but shame comes out of your mouth.
Man hating cunt.

>>4889442
Question: why do you need to fap to art/games/cartoons in order to be able to enjoy it?

>>4889433
Already started. I wouldnt say it's brimming with soul but at least it's not as flat as the old one. I hope theres some improvement at least

>>4881651
>>4881650

The artwork in Danganronpa are most certainly rushed when this (by the same artist) exists.

>>4878370
Perspective on the bent leg is fucked, its like some kind of magic eye puzzle.

>>4889412
It's not just that, a huge portion of art communities are actually detrimental. All of those videos on "how to draw an eye" and so on are a pitfall for any /beg/ that keeps them from improving.

That being said I did have a highly inflated ego at the time, so any introspection was very unlikely. To put this in perspective, I saw people paint photorealistically and somehow I thought I could draw as well from imagination. Then I posted my art on Concept Art and got my ass savagely wrecked.

>>4889901
Nigga that's worse.

>>4889448
>>4889426
Shut up, you dumb bitch.

>>4890280
You didn't answer the question. I said: why do you need to jack off to something to be able to enjoy it?

>>4890292
And you didn't shut up.
I'm not abiding by your prudish strawman horse shit.
Kill yourself. Not even the guy you were talking to.

>>4890295
This is your brain on coom, ladies and gentlemen.
There's no need for such hostility, it only makes you look bad. Just admit you're a coomer and go.

>>4890277
How so? It's not as muddy as what he puts out for the main games.

>>4890304
Kill yourself you fucking Redditor.
You aren't welcome here and will never fit in.

>>4890307
The drawing is somehow even stiffer and more broken, while using even more vomit inducing small soft brush.

>>4888961
Can't you just like porn with good anatomy, though? It's not an either-or situation, there are plenty of lewds out there that don't look as egrigiously bad as that.

>>4890328
I'll give you stiff, but Rui's work always appeared that way. But to claim that it's worse than the previous ones posted in this thread is an exaggeration. Post your work

>>4890419
No, it isn't an exaggeration, the two images are right in front of you.

>Post your work
What the fuck would that have to do with anything? Kill yourself.

>>4890442
Pyw crab.

>>4890478
How does crab apply to this converation at all, you mongoloid?

>>4890484
P.Y.W.

>>4890487
>fuck, I don't have an argument, what do I do?
>uh... uh... "Post your work!"

>>4889479
Oh no.

>>4878370
I'll post my stuff too asukafriend

>>4878370
I'll post my stuff too Azukafriend

>>4890488
Pyw

>>4890512
Retard.

>>4890516
pyw or give a redline to fix the stiffness

>>4889448
I can only enjoy something if I can masturbate to it? That's you question? It's not a serious question at all just another insult and a bunch more ridiculous assumptions, that if a man likes anything sexual they are masturbation fiends that only ever consume porn.
More man hating crap coming from you who's only purpose is to shame even the most minor sexual thoughts.
I enjoy all types of art for all types of reasons, from the abstract to the erotic, I don't limit what I enjoy.

>>4890540
Stream your suicide and I might consider it.

>>4890497
??

>>4890319
>If I tell this anon "kys redditor" I win!

>>4890563
Sure you do. That's why you defend coom with broken anatomy, right?

>>4889901
I honestly think this is fine.

>>4890577
I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I don't bother debating with intellectually dishonest tourists.

>>4890577
>Dumb frog posting hard round loomis dunning Kruger pyw crab seethe cope rent free brainlet you have to go back

This guy said if you're a right wing you're NGMI

>>4890580
Try holding your left arm like that.

>>4890577
I acknowledged it's flaws, when did I defend that?
My issue was that you took an opportunity over a flaw that no one denied, to start your male bashing bullshit.

>>4890591
what?

>>4890591
/pol/tards, like any extremists, have double digit IQ, so yeah, he is correct in his sentiment

>>4890861
Anyone right wing is an extremist now?

>>4890584
You're right. It's hard to debate when you're typing with one hand anyway. ;)

>>4890615
You didn't acknowledge anything. All you did was accuse anons criticizing a polished turd as man-hating prudes.
Did it ever occur to you that people can like T&A and still find art like that tacky?

>>4891078
>All you did was accuse anons criticizing a polished turd as man-hating prudes.
No everything else said around the painting is why I called you man haters, along with all the following shaming.
It's clear you hate male sexuality, I also didn't say anything about being prudish, people like you tend to only bash men for their sexuality and not women, so you're likely not prudish, you are just a man hater.

>>4890591
That's him being emotional and wrong or slyly conveying that people will target you to ruin your career or blacklist you because you have different ideas.

>>4890861
>right wing
>poltards

who's the double digit IQ again?

>>4891078
Stop typing like a faggot.

>>4890591
Haha I was searching for this pic. Fuck that guy honestly

>>4890861
>any extremists have double digit IQ
I'd bet nazis and marxists are way smarter than centrists on average.

>>4890497
pyw crab

>>4890861
>>4892228
Yeah if anything it should be the opposite. The majority of people of average intelligence, 100 IQ, are probably just standard liberal/conservative and probably don't even care that much. On account that low IQ people can't even read properly, extremists like marxists/fascists are definitely above average since they make some attempt to deconstruct the normal political narrative average people accept. Whether they do this successfully is another question entirely. Personally, I don't think either are quite on the mark.

>>4876256
Literally fat anon- cool try to loose some weight and then you can do the same mAgIc retard

>>4891153
Stop typing like an edgelord

>>4891105
But I love when men express themselves sexually! It's a shame they never get to do so without being called faggots.
I say let men be sexy~!

>>4893386
kys fag

>>4893386
>edgelord
Fuck are you talking about, retard? Are you seriously bitching about the word 'faggot' on 4chan?

>'coom' posters proving again that they are exclusively triggered by depictions of attractive women
>all of their shitposting about addiction and morality and artistry is really just an excuse for their discomfort and jealousy in regards to the female form
Every time.
Transparent as fuck.

>>4893398
>oh shit i have nothing to say
>i know! "kys" maybe they'll leave

>>4893423
Sounds like you don't want men to be empowered and express their sexuality

>>4893537
retarded anons shouldn't have access to internet

>>4893537
Retard.

>>4890591
It's true, right wingers are ngmi, begs.

>>4890591
This guy (and anyone agreeing with him) is a retard for shoehorning politics into art

>>4893386
Dude this is such a faggot thing to say