/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4871752
>Red and Blue aren't complimentary, analogous, or anything else
I don’t know if I’d agree, simply because the pic looks like he’s using more reddish-orange colors and more turquoise-blues which are more or less complementary. You might be overthinking it, but if you do plenty of studies of artists like this you’ll surely get better. I know east vs west is looked at as cringe, but I’ve noticed a lot of eastern art on Pinterest has really cool color choices like pic related

>>4871752
>>4871782
This is your brain on anime

>>4871796
I mean, yes? I just think that odd color aesthetic is pretty and I like seeing it, there was also that anime “Great Pretender” that had a lot of the same strange color choice in the background, I know “pretty color good” sounds retarded but I like looking at it, it’s comforting in a weird way

>>4871752
90% of everything is just orange! Blue or a variation

>>4871818
How do you organize warms and cools to create a mood? What's the theory?

>>4871752
>cool color+ warmth color=interest
>cool color+cool color+value/saturation shifts=interest
>two related colors+non related one=interest
>etc
how is this so fucking hard, how small and smooth do you have to have your brain to not process this shit? something so basic holy freaking fuck, why is the little riding hood red? why? because she will be in a forest, whyis Ralph and Vanellope red and green? why are Lilo and stitch red and blue? why is fucking spiderman blue and red? why is Ariel hair so deep red? etc etc etc USE YOUR EYES AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>4871782
I can see how doing studies would help a lot, but is there any theory to it at all? Or is it just "imitate other artists" So many artists seem to violate basic color palettes.

>>4871829
Yeah, no shit, contrasting colors create contrast. But how do you influence emotions with color? How do you make people feel certain things?

>>4871833
By the proper use of color hues you dumb nigger, are you really that retarded? have you ever got your greassy hands over a color theory book? Im beggining to understand why people here never make it, you are not only retarded but a lazy sack of shit who wants to be spoonfeed the most basic of the subjects, you incur my wrath.

>>4871839
Don't even know why I'm asking 4chan for advice. Not like you're making any good art anyways.

>>4871845
go ask reddit bro they will help you :)

>>4871825
Choose if the light source is warm or cold, if its warm then shadows are cooler than the base color and vice-versa

I wonder if there are other color theory traditions than the regular one.

>>4871752
Experiment around with different color palletes until you git good at making them.

>>4871845
Then fuck off you stupid weebshit cunt

>>4871854
What's the regular one? Is it just "Red opposite green?" How the fuck did they even come up with these color palettes in the first place? They seem like arbitrary rules that don't help

>>4871867
The absolute state of /ic/

For your OC image, I'd argue they're more in the range of orange and blue, which are complimentary and probably the most famous case of complimentary colors you'll see in design (a la every movie poster).

For something more easily digestible, Marco Bucci's videos about color really helped make it "click" for me. Or if nothing else, introduce me to concepts that I hadn't considered before and that I feel helped me in areas I was lacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhcNbFMkTw

I'm pretty fond of his color usage in general, and maybe it'd help with understanding.

>>4871825
How do you mean "organize warms and cools"? As in like, a color gamut, or compositionally?

If the former, limitation breeds creativity; you can limit yourself to a certain color gamut of a complimentary scheme or triadic scheme or whatever and only choose colors within that range and see what it does for you. There's no hard and fast rules, artists like Krenz Cushart will often introduce every color under the sun into their paintings but just choose a few dominant colors to highlight his subject matter.

If the latter, that's more trial and error and learning what works for you. The more exclusive a color is in your scene, though, the more likely it is to draw attention. That isn't always the case, but it's a pretty easy composition tool.

>>4871830
You use a lot of vague terms like "creating mood", but it's hard to really give you an answer because that's such a broad subject. You can make any color incur any mood if you're skillful enough. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how much you like experimentation) a lot of it is just figuring out what works for you and what you visually enjoy.

>>4871830
>violate basic color palettes
what does that even mean?

>>4871752
save pallets

>>4871867
Color theory is like music theory or framing guides. It's the result of observations on the existing art.

>>4871752
>Red and Blue aren't complimentary, analogous, or anything else
That's not blue, that's a slightly bluish cyan, and a slightly yellow red, which are complements of one another.
Invert the image and you can plainly see that it maintains the same color scheme.

>>4871872
Whoops, forgot to crop out the white.

>>4871752 (OP)
>Red and Blue aren't complimentary, analogous, or anything else
That's not blue, that's a slightly bluish cyan, and a slightly yellow red, which are complements of one another.
Invert the image and you can plainly see that it maintains the same color scheme.

>>4871872
>orange and blue, which are complimentary
Complement, and no, Orange and Blue are not complementary.

>>4871949
Orange and cyan, sorry. Same difference.

>>4871967
The difference between cyan and blue is as big as the difference between red and yellow, my man.
Not trying to pick on you, but people saying 'blue' when talking about cyan is a real problem. It leads to a lot of confusion, and even makes it harder to SEE the difference between the two colors, because color vocabulary is directly linked to your ability to differentiate colors.

>>4871752
It's just a lot of experimentation and noting down what looks pleasing, then applying as you wish.
The part that you don't see is the experimentation which is like 90% of the work when coloring. What you see is the result which, because you don't see the experimentation, seems like fucking magic.

>>4871853
>its warm then shadows are cooler than the base color and vice-versa
Is this true? I understand why shadows would be warmer in a sun keylight since the shadows are being mostly lightened by the ambient light from the sky which has a mostly blue spectrum
but why would a cool source push the shadows toward a warmer color?

>>4871752
You're forgetting about split complementary palettes. The complement of red is teal, cyan and blue-green are next to it on the color wheel. Then the artist mostly used warm tones in the foreground and cool tones in the background to create a sense of depth.
But honestly, you don't have to follow color theory 100%, use it more as a starting point.

>>4871867
Complementary colors create neutrals (ideally grey/black, but at the very least brown) when mixed together. Digital art is great for many reasons, but there are things that are easier to learn in traditional.

>>4871988
It isn't true, naturalistically speaking. Shadows pick up reflected, ambient light. In daylight, shadows will pick up some of the cyan-blue of the sky, leading some people to conclude that this soecific type of shift is a rule. Now, keeping a balance of opposing hues is aesthetically pleasing, so it's still good to do, but don't be fooled into thinking that's how light works as a matter of course.

>>4871988
>I understand why shadows would be warmer in a sun keylight
cooler I meant*

>>4871994
thanks that's what I thought from the theory I read but when you take so many courses there's so much conflicting informations

>>4871990
>Digital art is great for many reasons, but there are things that are easier to learn in traditional.
Not color theory, that's for damn sure. Pigment has its own idiosyncrasies that lead people to incorrect conclusions about color all the time.

>>4871984
Generally anyone who's had any encounter with color theory or the concept of color compliments would understand that I meant cyan. Regardless, the correction is made now, no fuss needed.

>>4872002
You might be surprised.
But again, not attacking you, it's just something I wanted to point out.

>people use the complementary color of RYB wheel when they do those "trias, split complementary" and whatnot palette
>the truth is actually RGB
opposite of red is cyan, am I supposed to use the wrong things on purpose?

>>4872013
All good, I understand. I kind of initially said it with the idea of trying to make it sound more palatable, I don't know why I worded it like that as if cyan is some weird and hard-to-understand concept.

http://stuff.veekun.com/pkcolor/
this is very helpful

>>4872015
The truth is, there isn't really a 'right' when it comes to color scheme, and you should really only use it as a guideline, and to help you understand color relationships.
Artists, art historians, and art critics have an attachment to the historical RBY color model, and this leads them to favor such relationships and makes it hard for them to accept the modern color models.
Use your own intuition when picking color schemes, and use the RGB/CYM model to predict what colors will have the most contrast with one another.

>>4872021
More like misinformed.

>>4872021
thanks anon

>4872028
How? She does a very good way to explain everything, wait never mind you're just being a fucking idiot and a dumb crab
>>4872029
No problem, Kecleon is gross but this tutorial is great.

>>4872034
Wew lad, you got agressive there fast.
The entire thing is predicated on the RBY color model, which is horribly outdated.

>>4871752
>What's the theory to organizing color to create mood?
>If I'm just coloring in flat colors, will Nathan Fowkes' course help?
>He asks us to do color studies so I'm not sure what a line-art artist would get out of that.
>Pic related doesn't seem to be following any color palette at all.
holy /beg/ you shouldn't even be thinking about color, but doing value studies instead

get a set of cheap watercolors or acrylics, learn to mix colors. read alla prima, hornung color workshop, gurney color and light

watch this to see how color is mixed, the same concepts apply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNB3XY67Q-I

>>4869435

Here's a link to another thread. Bad OP, but there was some good content within

work with simple palettes and work your way up

>>4872102
thanks anon

>>4872137
How important a roles does color play in a composition? I remember reading some people say that color doesn't matter at all, and that its the values that matter most in making a piece beautiful. I think thats why theres the advice to work from monochrome upwards, but I'm not sure

>>4871867
It took centuries of experience and research and was formalized into modern color theory in the 19th century

>>4872015
That image is all kinds of fucked up my dude

>>4871858

LMAO CRINGE

>>4872287
Different anon here- I didn't say anything about it, but it bugged me too. It is true that RBY is a subtractive, pigment based model for color mixing, so it isn't exactly wrong there, but it does seem to be implying that RBY is the subtractive counterpart to RGB.
Also, I would describe that magenta and green in the RBY diagram as 'comically optimistic'.

>>4871944
Looks cute and fitting for a cute spooky show

>>4871782
good /ic/
>>4871796
bad /ic/

>>4871752
Source on that qt?

>>4873464
are you fucking retarded this artists name is in OP

>>4871752
Many images made to draw attention use an orange/blue coloration. The high contrast makes it stand out a lot. Now that I've pointed this out you're going to see it on a lot of posters.

>>4873667
red (and green) is better to get the attention, but the duo was ruined by christmas

>>4873667
you're so astute anon nobody has ever noticed this before you're the first thanks for pointing this ou-
oh wait
>>4871872
self aggrandizing pos

>>4873681
The post you linked got hit by one of my filters and I'm not sure which one, and I disabled stubs.

>>4873681
How is he being a 'self aggrandizing pos'?
What are you so angry about?

>>4873723
???
Filters? Why?

>>4871752
if you want to start to get better at color, heres a tip.
find or whenever u come across a color piece u like, take it and run it though https://www.geotests.net/couleurs/frequences_en.html#ce
Then look at how the colors are mapped on the color wheel and as well as where they are placed. You start to notice patterns and trends to your favorite color pieces. (hint: look at how the complement colors are used in the CMY/RGB color wheel)

>>4874304
Holy shit I didn't know I needed this, thank you ano.

>>4874304
Oh hey, that's a really cool resource. Thanks, anon.

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>>4874318
thank you so much anon!

>>4872147
>How important a roles does color play in a composition? I remember reading some people say that color doesn't matter at all, and that its the values that matter most in making a piece beautiful. I think thats why theres the advice to work from monochrome upwards, but I'm not sure
yeah that sounds like total bullshit, color can easily direct the eye, but i suppose they mean it can become a crutch

>>4874515
He has just misinterpreted that claim, or possibly combining two separate arguments into one.
Pros like Marco Bucci have talked about how you can paint a scene with whatever colors you want, and as long as the values are solid, it will still read, which is true. And a separate argument often made on this board is that color schemes and theory aren't set in stone, and the best approach to color is to experiment with different combinations using your intuition. If you combine these two in your head, you get a claim that isn't reasonable, but both arguments individually are sound.

>>4873779
Because 4chan is full of cunts who shitpost and clobber dead horses that are better off not being seen at all.

>>4874710
Imagine being this much of a sensitive faggot, holy shit. And for the record, neither of those posts are shitposts in any way.
You very clearly do not belong on 4chan. Go back where you came from post haste.

>>4874722
90% of the time, they're not worth the calorie to scroll past.

>>4874724
Then leave.

>>4874304
This is a very cool website, but it is ultimately useless.

I have put several pictures in it to see the results. I could find pictures that look awful but with display a nice resulting palette. I could find pictures I love and pictures I hate that have colors randomly scattered with no rhyme nor reason.

I could find pictures I made that were popular with both good and bad palettes, and pictures that weren't well-received with good, harmonious palettes.

Any explanation you can have to justify these oddities will come as a post-fact interpretation.
To me they all just point to one thing: these formulas applied without sensibility and experience might give you more visual unity, but the colors will still look bad.

>>4874748
If it reveals something about color, I would most definitely not call it useless. The conclusion that can be drawn from what you did with it may simply be that none of the rules of color theory as it applies to design are set in stone.

Also, I find it extremely useful purely for the ability to analyze the complete breakdown of colors in the image.

>>4874763
>none of the rules of color theory as it applies to design are set in stone.
Color theory isn't rules.

>>4874735
Why are you so threatened by someone filtering your shitposts?

>>4874770
I just said that.
What was the purpose of this post?

>>4874774
without shitposts the crab is nothing

>>4874774
1. He didn't filter any of my posts
2. The posts he did filter were completely innocuous
3. Filtering is faggy behavior

>>4874778
Nobody is crabbing, you dumb memespouter.

>>4874748
Post some examples

>>4874783
like saying "memespouter" isnt doing the same thing, fuck you bitch pyw so i can laugh at you

>>4874792
The same thing as what, retard?

>pyw so i can laugh at you
Now THIS is crabbing.
You are a blight on this board, kill yourself.

>>4874748
post your examples and lets take a look together anon

>>4871752
>Is there any book I should read besides Gurney?
Josef Albers wrote the book on color theory. In art school it's a 101 class and they make you do all the exercises inside with packs of Color-aid.

>>4874748
works on my machine

>>4874304
Based and resourcepilled

>>4875069
>packs of Color-aid
What the fuck is this color aids stuff I've never heard of it

>>4875304
Color-aid is an expensive art school supply that you shouldn't buy unless a professor forces you. The idea is that you cut out swatches colors to do assignments so you don't have to worry about the technically difficult skill of perfectly mixing colors.

Iirc there's now a tablet app version of Interaction of Color that's worth checking out and includes interactive exercises.

>>4874304

Nice! Thanks man!
Btw colors in circle are upside down compared to reference, right?

Is there any similar site?

>>4875301
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>>4874308
no problem anons feel free to share this resource as well
>>4875445
You misunderstand what the analyzer does. It simply runs across the image sampling the colors, then it plots those colors on a CMY/RGB color wheel. The location on the circle has to do the location on the image uploaded

>>4875501
oh also, the circle of the circle corresponds to the amount of that 'color" in the image uploaded, so big red circle means lots of red. You can play around this the settings like color thresholds to change stuff, but the core idea is the same

>>4873681
Nice inferiority complex.

>>4875069
The book says to just use any paper you can find, scrap bookbinding paper, gift bags, magazine cutouts.

David Hornung Color: A Workshop Approach is a more modern resource that builds on Albers' book. It has more practical exercises and focuses on using gouache or digital with CMYK sliders.

Interaction of Color is outdated by now and more a historical document than something you should learn from.

>>4875800
>digital with CMYK sliders
That's interesting, what's his rationale for using CMYK sliders specifically? Is it to help you understand how to mix subtractively when using pigmented media?

>>4875800
>The book says to just use any paper you can find, scrap bookbinding paper, gift bags, magazine cutouts.
Yeah right if only art school was that cheap.

>>4875815
Yes, also that the computer is a studio tool modern artists should be familiar with anyway. Especially in the case of prints and how if they wish to print their work they'll have to understand the colorspace differences. There are some idiosyncrasies so it's not 1:1 with paint mixing but you're still learning color theory. The exercises show similar effects as in the Albers book and the author references it a few times, and you make a lot of swatches which are obviously more suited to real paint.

I did some of the exercises in real life with gouache, some with RGB sliders, and some with CMYK sliders. You can do all the digital stuff with just a mouse/selection lasso and filling in, it even recommends using Illustrator. I think more artists should learn to use at least RGB sliders, it definitely helps solve the problem of making a cohesive palette. I spend more time with RGB sliders than the color picker, and I don't use CMYK for everything but it's nice to mix in the process occasionally.

Here's how he introduces the topic.

>>4875858
Of course.

>>4875883
Nice.
It's always refreshing to hear that at least some educators are trying to help people understand this stuff.
The amount of misinformation in the art and education world can be really disheartening sometimes, but stuff like this gives me hope.

>>4875883

Would you be willing to share that book?

>>4875883

So by learning that on computer, one would also start to have better understanding when mixing traditional paints (oils, acryls, gouache..)?

>>4875968
Pretty sure you can find it in one of the artbook thread MEGAs.

>>4875973

Is it Alber's book or David Hornung's?

>>4875981
Hornung’s, haven’t heard about Alber’s book until now.

Why does a light source push the local color of an object lighter than it is in reality? Shouldn't a light source just carry a certain spectrum, hit an object then reflect to your eyes more or less dark according to lambert's law?
But in reality, like when you look at your skin in the sun, the core light is very bright and the true local color of your skin is more in the halftones, why?