/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>4865324
Based screenless edition. I moved to a display tablet recently but ive made most money by far working on a good old screenless

>>4865334
I hought about getting a screenful myself, but I just can't dump my gorgeouos profissional 4k monitor and Cintiq pro 32" costs like a car or a month of living in an escorts ass.

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>>4865335
Which monitor do you use? Once I get a bigger desk I want to set up a new one

>why, of course i buy Huion H610. Not because i am a CCP shill but because its quality is comparable to Wacom Intuos pro medium while being four times cheaper. It is a great deal if you do not have money to buy Wacom.

>>4865344
The V2 variant is pretty reliable. Then again to be honest, virtually all screenless tablets are nowadays. Theres not really anyway for them to improve further.

>>4865343
aoc u3277pwqu
92% Adobe and 3000:1 contrast for 500$.
The backlight uniformity is super solid too.

The doewnsides are a bulky ugly enclosure that squeaks at night when it cools down and shrinks and the complete lack of any freesynch or nvidia features.

>>4865324
Has anyone tried the Artisul screenless? The design looks nice but I dunno about the pen

Actual new, non-chinese thread:

>>4865345
>>4865345
>>4865345

>>4865355
Stay in your containment thread.

>>4865352
Interesting, thanks. I guess if I went for one Id need a gpu upgrade to keep games on ultra, but then again I could just keep it on the side. I havent tried a 4k yet

>>4865324
>100$ - Xp Pen Deco Pro
>50$ - Deco 01/HS611/HS610
What do y'all think about deco mini?

>>4865362
They are android compatible right? Could be a cheap solution to mobile work with your phone. But obviously for desktop its a bit too small. I guess you could use it for note taking in class as well

>>4865362
They are Deco 01 but smaller.
Why do you want that though? The normal 01 is just the right size.
Android compatibility well it works but as far as I know it only runs on one side of a tablet an is non-adjustable, aspect ratio if your tabled is god forbid not a 16:9 is a whole another can of worms and there are no settings to adjust anything.

>>4865362
A bit too small, its good for osu and small so you can take it anywhere but i dont recommend it for long term drawing, you will always want a bigger one

>>4865324
Is there a standardized measurement for initial activation force? Ive heard thats a major hurdle for the chink companies to get around

>>4865354
Nope. Nobody knows shit about them.
My bet is that it's the same exact Huion made at Ugee but with a different coat of paint and nobody knows about their drivers.

As for the pen you can tell whether it's good by the kind of nibs it uses.
Go to the huion website and check, the old nibs that wobble around are thick short and have a hole in them. The new nibs that feel tight and don't wobble are thin, long and don't have a hole.

If the pen uses no-hole nibs it's going to feel better to draw with, no wobble and a better pressure curve.

My computer only has one HDMI port that I use for my Monitor, and three Displayport ports, but I need another HDMI port to connect my tablet, do I need a adapter? What do I go for?

Sorry if this is a retarded question, this is my first tablet and I'm unfamiliar with this stuff.

>>4865324
Got the kamvas 22 plus recently, if you are thinking of getting it ama

>>4865391
No worries, I ran into the same problem the other day. You need a displayport adaptor, HDMI female to displayport male. Your gpu should have 2 or 3 displayport sockets

>>4865393
i have it too and it's not bad but my pen squeaks at times. does yours do too?

>>4865402
It hasnt yet no, but im pretty meticulous about keeping it clean. I use a dry microfiber cloth on it before each use. I found that when you dry the glass by using cleaner fluids on it you get the most noise and resistance, so now I only wipe it with a dry cloth or with a bit of breath if its really dirty

>>4865393
How's the installation going for you? What's the previous tablet you use?
Also does it use the same driver as the kamvas 13 pro? I'm kinda interested in this but the 13 pro's driver was a pain in the ass to install back then, so if this one actually use a same driver it's gonna be an instant buy for me

>>4865385
As far as I understand the chinks made it simply to avoid having to hand tune each pen at factory so they made a minimal threshold that cuts off some minimally light pressure. I heard some rumors the latest Huion pen doesn't have it but I personally can't confirm.

The pens themselves might come tuned differently. It might either be way too stiff and only activate after you pressed a lot or jump from zero straight to 20%, one guy on youtube even got a pen that always draws without pressing.

It's actually about the tuning screw inside the pen enclosure, I tuned my own pen and it feels fucking great to use, some minimal feather light pressure is still required before it wakes up but honestly it's not an issue at all.

I think the people who complain might have the stiffly tuned pens.

>>4865396
Would this do the trick?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/REALMAX%C2%AE-DisplayPort-Adapter-Connector-projector-Black/dp/B016S6I4DE/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

If you can't afford at least a 2017 intuos pro L then you shouldn't be working digitally. Just a thought.

>>4865411
My previous tablet was a H610 V2. Ive hopped between screenless and display tablets several times, however the only displays ive tried before were xp pen ones from years ago and I was never happy about the colour accuracy. I was going to try the huion kamvas pro 22 but then I saw this one being released with 140% gamut and 1:1200 contrast ratio, and since colours are more important to me than anything else I went for it.

So far im very happy with it, driver installation was simple and went without issue. Im still getting used to the pen since screenless pens are a lot more sensitive, but I can definitely already work with it. I did however buy it from amazon, simply because theres always the huion meme risk and I want to be able to return it if thigs go wrong but so far its great.

>>4865418
Yep

>>4865427
Great, thank you for the help.

>>4865420
Does it have some initial activation force?

>>4865419
It's not worth it's price compared to the competition.
500$ can buy you an Intuos + Art Pen or a comfortable reclining chair.
Or a bigger spacious desk
Or a pro tier 4k monitor
Or a cpu upgrade for faster snappier drawing
Or a coffee machine that makes Latte
Or a mini split AC
Or a prostitute with anal sex and raw bj

it's just not good way to spend money in my opinion.

>>4865445
It does, but I wouldnt really know how to describe it. What also complicates finding out is that it seems to be software dependent. All my tools have their own pressure curve settings, so some already require more force than others.

When I use a basic hard round brush with size/pressure, I can make absolutely tiny lines by barely touching the tablet. Ill try and make some examples, sec

I am planning to get HS610/HS611. the price is the same so whats the difference beetween them? Or should i get XP pen deco pro? I heard chinkshit huion breaks easily.

>>4865419
The current Intuos Pro line is complete garbage and you'd be an absolute dumb ass to spend that amount of money for one. Just a thought.

>>4865462
None of these tablets break easily if you treat them properly. They just sit on your desk, as long as you dont throw them around like an idiot they will last you years.

They are all good buys, the deco pro is larger and has a more paper like texture. If you dont use android and dont really care about express keys/layout/turndials, you should just go for whichever is cheapest.

Has anyone here ever use the Huion Q620M?

Deciding between it or the Deco Pro.

>>4865462
The difference between HS610 and 611 is fluff. 610 has a physical dial 611 has a touch slider plus media keys.
>Break easily
I doubt it. There's literally nothing to break in them. The older models had a shitty micro usb that had issues, the new ones come with a rock solid usb-C that will outlive you.
>Deco Pro
Deco Pro small - just shouldn't exist.
Deco Pro Medium is actually equal to Intuos Large and has a sexier pen with a nib that doesn't wobble as much. The pressure sensor in it is slightly better and it actually has zero diagonal jitter like an Intuos pro.

Not sure whether the new huions have it or not, but my Deco Pro certainly doesn't, I tested with a ruler.

>>4865473
>Huion doesn't break
explain.

>>4865465
You're just mad that you can't afford a quality shiny new tablet and have to either buy Chinese party favors or feed off of the cooler artists' table scraps by buying used.

>>4865479
I think wireless is a useless gimmick that probably is more trouble than it's worth.

Are they using low latency transmitter? How long until the battery dies? Nobody uses wireless tablets, if you want to be drawing in bed just get a longer cable.

Other than that Deco Pro is
>Has a slightly better feeling pen (only slightly though, it's not a revolution)
>Somewhat bigger
>Has a dial and a touch ring that can be used as a touchpad to browse porn with your left hand.

>>4865482
>None of these tablets break easily if you treat them properly
Read, nigger, read

>>4865486
Your "quality shiny new tablet" has a fucking USB C port that breaks easily and a rough texture that eats nibs.

>>4865488
I bound E for eraser to the pen button and still works after 2 years.

>>4865486
Eh, no. Not really. The truth is is that they are just terrible bits of equipment for the price. They work fine, dont get me wrong. But they dont work better than products a sixth of the price. They also burn your nibs to shreds because wacom execs wanting more repeat purchase contacts with their customers. What good is selling a perfect tablet that will last for years? You wont get that customer again for decades. So they opted to make the nibs akin to printer ink.

>>4865488
do you have huion? no? but i know for sure >>4865482 does have huion

>>4865492
>usb c
>breaks easily
You know how I can tell you're a retard?

>>4865502
>look, someone on the report problems section of their subreddit had a problem

Yeah, sucks for them I guess. It doesnt mean anything though. Go check out wacoms report subreddit and think about how theyre getting the same problems but spent 6x the amount.

>>4865492
>has a fucking USB C port that breaks easily
Excuse me?
Usb-C is literally the most reliable port in existance other than Displayport and VGA with fucking screws.

I would consider a mini or micro usb to be a certain dealbreaker, I had 3 different smartphones die because of a shitty micro losing contact and not charging, endless camera docks, card readers and other shit too.
Mini usb is the absolute worst that has never beed greenlit.
Micro usb is shit too.
Even the fucking USB-A on my computer got clogged with dust or just loosened up, but I never ever had a faulty C yet.

I thought about getting an old intuos, but it has a fucking micro, so fuck that, i'm not touching micro ever again.

>>4865508
>>4865516
2017 Intuos Pro for whatever reason has shit connectors that somehow breaks.

>>4865492
Not that asshole, but I gotta say that I don't get the nib wear thing. Yeah, they'll wear down after 2-3 days of heavy use at first, but once the surface is broken in after 4-ish of the 10 included nibs, the wear slows down dramatically to 1 nib every few weeks.

Even if it ate nibs as quickly as everyone seems to think, they cost a dollar. You're going to spend way more than that on traditional materials for the same amount of drawing, and you get a much more comfortable paper-esque surface feel due to the increased friction.

I upgraded from a dinky huion tablet and while the nib wear is a lot higher, I feel like I have much more control thanks to the rougher surface. I'll gladly pay a few bucks for replacement nibs if it means my drawing experience is nicer. Personal preference, I guess.

>>4865502
>>4865488
>>4865482

I heard some people burn through computer mouses and get them to doubleclick in a matter of months.

Mine always last for years.

Maybe some people are stupid or really unlucky?

I was drawing for 5 years on different tablets, the only pens that died for me were the ones with batteries one because the battery expired and another because the charging connector got loose.

>>4865521
Doesnt the alternating texture on the surface drive you nuts? The point of soft nibs was partly to avoid that happening. Now youll have a smooth patch where you mostly work, and rough everywhere else.

>>4865532
Mine broke in pretty evenly actually, I've been using it for 6ish months and while it does feel slightly smoother I can't feel a slick spot in the center or anything. It drove me crazy on the huion though.

>>4865521
Deco pro has a really rogh surface with a lot of grip to it but it's never wearing out. really 2 years of daily use and it still looks like the day I bought it.

Wacom are just assholes who want you to keep spending on the nibs and replcament surface stickers.

What program do you use for drawing?

>>4865545
Photoshop. I like the brushes I have for it. Might give CSP a try sometimes later but I dont feel the need to switch for now.

>>4865545
I prefer Krita, but it needs a powerhouse machine to run quick and snappy.

On the upside it's about as friendly as CSP and about as powerful as PS.
CSP lacks editing features and an awerage csp cuck is switching back and forth to PS all the time.
PS is just bad for drawing in every afpect.

>>4865492
>>4865519
Well wacom's build quality has gone down compared to the older model's like the Intuos 3.

Maybe you got a bad unit.

>>4865544
Wacom are an unusual jap company. They arent shy about their goals, they want to maximize profitability above all else. Normally jap companies treat the customers like gods, but Wacom seem to have a "milk them while it lasts" mentality. Check out their annual report:

https://investors.wacom.com/wp/media/files/investor-relations/2019-english/2019_annual_report_wacom_final.pdf

>>4865544
Like I said I'd agree with that if the nibs were actually expensive. In the time it'd take me to use up $10-$15 in art supplies I've used up $1 nib. As for the tablet surface, I've been using this guy for 6 months and the surface is still plenty rough, though it did smooth out somewhat over the first few weeks. Since that break in period it's been holding up nicely.

>>4865557
>On the upside it's about as friendly as CSP
Idk man, Krita's UI always felt so clunky and unintuitive (not to mention "dated") to me, it's not as friendly as CSP at all

>>4865526
>>4865510
i think i'll be getting xp pen. I'm not subscribing to huion's bi-yearly pen subscription.

>>4865559
I don't understand any of this but I think they are a dying company desperatelt grabbing their last paychecks. They even introduced telemetry into drivers, I guess they can't sell products so begin selling the customers.

All of their patents have expired and the technology has already been developed to full potential so the chinks can rival their best offerings on paper thin margins for 20% of the price.

And the Chinks are getting bolder too. Look at Huion they are confident enough to launch a 1000$ 1440p tablet with no compromises, full bonded etched glass on a pro-tier display panel.

2 years ago users would say
>well it has a battery pen and a wonky driver but it's a good deal for 60$
Today the users complain about the activation force, which means they ran out of significant problems to complain about.

If next year they iron out the mininal force threshold and introduce pen rotation wacom might just pull out of the drawing tablet market entirely and go make the smartphone shit.

>>4865479
XP PEN's build quality tends to be better than huion's.

>>4865583
The only one Huion I used was the ancient H610P with a battery pen and when I upgraded to a Deco 01 i actually felt a lot more premium made. The device felt nice to the touch, thin, rigid, no flex, no squeaks, the tightest usb-C I ever seen and the drivers never had a single issue.

But I would expect Huion to have improved since then. After all they are both two cheeks of one Ugee ass and are made at the Ugee factory.

The XP-Pen pens even have ugee written on the PCB if you disassemble them.

>>4865558
wacom outsourced production to the chinks, thats why you never buy new ones

>>4865609
Were the old ones actually made in Japan? When exactly did they started moving away?

>>4865324
Do people really place the tablet flat in front of them? It feels really awkward for some reason, would getting a stand fuck with my hand-eye coordination?

>>4865628
Wacom has been outsourcing production to china since the Intuos 3.

>>4865324
I have xp pen star 03 pro that I bought just a few months ago. It's pretty nice for its cheap price, and I was thinking to stick with it for a year or two to get used to digital. But then a friend of mine who just came back from Japan showed me xp pen artist 12 pro (he bought it using the coronabux he got from Japan's govt lol), and it made me want to buy a display tablet too. Well, I have few gripes about artist 12 pro, first, it feels small for some reason. Even on my star 03 pro that probably around the same size doesn't feel this cramped. Second, there's a noticable input lag. I don't know if it's really a device issue, or probably just because my friend is bad at taking care his tablet. Should I buy artist 15.6 pro? Is it a good display tablet for beginner?

>>4865635
if the tablet if big, yeah
I'd take that any day over having to stretch my arm over a horribly overextended workspace

>>4865642
When it comes to display tablets I would look at the Huins instead.
They seem to have a little edge over Xps.

Kamvas 16 pro premium has a better more colorful display, and etched glass rather than a screen protector film.

Also take a look at the Kamvas 22 plus. It costs the same, doesn't have any side buttons or sliders but it has the newest coolest display with bonded etched glass.

The XPs only have bonded non-etched glass on 15.6 and smaller ones.

>>4865609
>>4865628
The last Wacom tablet to be made in japan was the Intuos 2 everything after that was outsourced to china.

>>4865649
Thanks for the recommendation! I was also a bit on the edge over the screen protector film lol. It looks dirty because he doesn't even have a bag/case and just stuff it inside his normal bag with his laptop and other books. I was like wut? Even my 40 bucks star pro came with a bag.

>>4865324
Just got a XP-Pen 24 pro. So far so good, It's really cheap for what it is and I'm loving it, the wires are kind of a problem, they can get easily broken if not careful...

>>4865635
What really matters is to have them strictly parallel.

So I have my keyboard pressed into the monitor stand and the tablet pressed into the bottom of the keyboard

>>4865461
Yo is it possible to record your screen while you're doing it if it's not too much of a trouble?

>>4865635
Are you talking about screenless tablets? Why would you use stands?

>>4865672
Just install OBS and record anything you want.

As far as your computer is concerned it's just a second monitor

this tablet general is where the cool cats hang. no tablet general is gonna come close to how special and amazing this one is

>>4865696
I know some people who do this, I think they're just tradfags who are just too used to drawing with their hand slightly angled on a drafting table or some shit

>>4865705
Nah, not for me, i was asking that anon with new tablet to record his stroke test

>>4865672
>>4865735
This is in sai 2, its not a recording but theres no real good way of communicating the activation feel. Just by dragging the pen by its own weight with zero pressure from my fingers produces these lines with a big fat 350 pixel brush on a 2k x 2k canvas

>>4865788
that looks pretty decent

anyone have experience with the XP-Pen Artist Display 15.6 Pro? I've been on the verge of getting one for a long time but every time I hear a few bad reviews talking about it breaking in ~1 year, it scares me off.

>>4865954
Wouldn't it still be covered by warranty then? iirc xp pen's warranty is 2 years

>>4865968
I just got a 24pro a few months ago and the warranty in the box is a year. I think you can get a longer one on amazon?

For those anons with 20+ inch display tablets do you guys use a two monitor setup or just replace said monitor with your display? Also, for those who use the inputs on their larger display for their mouse and keyboard did you go wireless with a new m/k or just kept your wired setup? Sorry for all the questions I'm upgrading to a 24 inch display tablet from my dead screenless tablet and I'm worried about cord management since my workstation is so small. Lastly, anyone have experience with ergonomic arms and know if Loctec is a good company for arms? Someone planning to gift me this arm http://loctek.us/products/monitor-mounts/loctek-desk-mount-monitor-swing-arm-w-usb-d7a/

>>4866015
I use a laptop so i just keep using its screen as my main display (and its keyboard/mouse too as my main input, though i do switch to a smaller macro keypad that sits next to the tablet when drawing). Not sure if using your tablet as your main display is a good idea though, i heard it shortens the lifespan of the thing so i usually only turn mine on when I'm actually drawing

I'm using an Intuos Medium and I always feel like I'm rubbing too hard when I try to do quick strokes, even just to fill an area with color with a big brush.

Anyone got any good sensitivity tips? I have a feeling that's my biggest problem, but maybe I'm just heavy handed in general.

It's just so much easier to judge how much pressure to use in trad.

>>4865954
I own this tablet. It's been fantastic for me, especially for the price point. It's big, it doesn't weigh a ton, and it has a big display that replicates color and has pressure sensitivity of the best Cintiqs I've seen. It doesn't get very hot either, and 99% of the time mine is being used as a 3rd monitor.

My only regret is that I bought it before they announced the Pro 22, which I would love to own. But you can't beat this thing for the price. I'd much rather spend $400 on a screen tablet than just a normal Wacom.

>>4866089
You won't really harm the screen, but you might wear away the pen nib, which happens and it's why they give you a bunch of extras in the pen base. Obviously don't dig in or try to gouge out the screen, though. You shouldn't need to press very hard to get max pressure and you can always adjust the pen settings so you get max pressure with less force so you don't have to feel like you're digging into the surface. Like anything, it's practice.

>>4866089
Yeah, I read somewhere that generally if someone can't easily snatch the pen away from your hand, you're gripping it too hard

>>4866089
>Intuos Medium
Intuos Pro or Intuios Pleb?
If pro then just set your pressure curve to go from zero to max out at half the possible pressure

If it's intuos pleb then your problem is that the pen is fucking shit. When I had a bamboo i was pressing so hard my hand would cramp up real bad too.

Let me guess...you "need" more

is xp pen artist pro 13.3 good and comfortable enough?

>>4866159
Wacom Intuos Art so I guess I'm fucked.

I picked it up a while back, and basically never touched it.

Trying to get back into art and take it more seriously, but nervous about upgrading since I barely used this one as it is.

>>4866290
well seeing as you can now pick up a very capable med sized tablet for 50 bucks, there has never been a better time.

>>4866290
Sell it to some idiot for 40$ and get a Deco 01.

Seriously you'll be blown away by the difference.

>>4866297
>>4866302
Appreciate the advice, but I guess my concern there is if I upgrade again now, I'm not sure I want to go with another super low budget one.

Maybe it's worth it anyway since it's so cheap, but I need to take a look at some of the other new ones I guess.

>>4866322
If you want Wacom you should only consider the real Intuos pro lineup.

All of the ituos draw/Intuos Art/ Intuos one are just a rebranded Wacom Bamboo with the same exact shit pen.

>>4866332
Not necessarily Wacom, just not the cheapest tablet in general. Maybe just the Deco Pro like OP mentions, but I'll want to look a bit more at the differences..

Thought it was more of a me problem, and I could learn to use this one better, I guess I didn't pay enough attention when purchasing it originally.

I did buy this two years ago, and "certified refurbished" so it wasn't a huge waste, but barely used it like I said.

>>4865361
>Interesting, thanks. I guess if I went for one Id need a gpu upgrade to keep games on ultra, but then again I could just keep it on the side. I havent tried a 4k yet

Do not game on a 4k monitor unless you're rich..and even then prob don't.

>>4866407
I've been gaming on my 4k monitor since 2016.
>Vega 64
>Witcher 3 Ultra minus the shadows - dips to 54 @ native, stable as fuck @1800p
>Dota - locked at 60
>Factorio - locked at 60
>Synthetik - locked 60
>Any console port like Dark sauce 3, Death Stranding, Automata anything that came from the consoles is ultra locked at 60
>AAAAAAA shit like Borderlands 3 locks at 60 with 80% render scaling.
I love it.

>>4866430
Once you're used to 144hz instead, it's hard to fall back to 60.

Holding a consistent 144+ fps with 144hz gets very expensive for a 4k monitor. And a native lower resolution monitor looks much better than a 4k one downscaled.

But to each their own.

>>4866474
Yeah but the 3000 series is out now, so. With power like that 4k could become standard.

>>4866495
Forgive me for assuming the people in this thread won't be upgrading to the newest GPUs and 4k monitors, while debating whether it's viable to save a couple hundred bucks buying a cheaper chinese tablet.

i know this thread isnt about pc monitors but what is better for an ilustrator: 4k va/tn monitor or 1080 ips?

Any D10/D13 owners that are knowledgeable in the U-Pen's nibs? I've owned a D10 for a few years and the nibs are starting to scratch my screen right as i decide to stop being a idiot and practice loomis, Problem being they discontinued the original U-Pen and D10/13 tablets

>https://www.amazon.com/Pen-Artisul-Battery-free-Stylus-P58B/dp/B07VWVLWK1

Amazon sells this for the new model U-pen for the current product line and i can have it shipped to me tomorrow with prime, Any original D10 owners know if these nibs will work?

>>4866533
You always should want value for money, regardless of your coffers. I would be much happier throwing 350 dollars at a new computer component that hands down blows everything out of the water than 350 dollars on an extremely average tablet with engineered downsides.

non-chinese thread:

>>4865345
>>4865345
>>4865345

>>4866782
That thread you linked looks like absolute fucking cancer.

>>4866787
That's because you're chinese, idiot. Of course you wouldn't like it, you can stay here.

>>4866789
>>4865358
Point and laugh.

>>4866548
1080p will really suit your needs, you dont really need to go higher res unless you have want a very large display/ or sit very close to it. Whats more important is gamut and contrast ration.

>>4866804
ok thankks anon

>>4866789
guys he doesn't know

>>4865324
Do mods ever actually visit threads? How can such cancerous posters still be running around?>>4866789

>>4866548
for art higher res is always a plus, but 1080 is perfectly serviceable imo

>>4866242
2smol, try to save up for a 16" one

>>4866874
>Do mods ever actually visit threads? How can such cancerous posters still be running around?>>4866789
I'm duly convinced that /pol/ schizo applied to be a janny, during the last wave of applications or knows someone who is one, which is why they're allowing this faggotry. I wouldn't give a shit if he was actually helping people, but he's just shitposting loudly about Chinese.

>>4866623
Pretty sure that new computer component that hands down blows everything out of the water still costs way more than 350 bucks

>>4865482
Huion pens aren't great. I've had 2 different tablets from them and the tablet is alright, worst thing about it has to be the micro USB since those are just not sturdy ports to begin with but if youre gentle with them or get one with usb-c you're fine. I've had a few pens just shipped to me broken (like the nib was physically jammed into the pen and I couldn't get it out, another just didn't fucking work at all) and they feel very delicate, like you need to be extra gentle with them. You can't drop them or you'll chance messing them up.

>>4865519
Thats wacom's shitty soldering. I've had many a wacom port snap off inside the tablet from gentle use recently. Opened one up since the warranty was put anyways, there was nowhere near enough solder to keep that port attached and some pins didn't have any at all. Whatever people or robots in charge of soldering over at wacom are seriously fucking up. Or the ceo decided they should use less solder to save a couple cents per tablet, who knows.

>>4866548
Which ever one has a high color gamut and over 1000:1 contrast ratio (the higher number the better on contrast ratio). If youre going for an IPS display do not get bevel-less because light bleed will happen and it will creep through your whole screen. I have a 2k BenQ monitor, it's really nice in terms of color and contrast but since its a no-bezel IPS display I've had the light bleed issue creeping in and it throws me off a little.

>>4865393
Is the screen textured or smooth? Is it a screen protector or just glass? How are the drivers treating you? And how does the build quality on the tablet and pen feel?

Thank you :)

>>4865496
Make new nibs out of toothpicks or weed trimmer line, they last much longer than wacoms soft plastic nibs

>>4865582
You kind of have to know what all that fluffy business speak shit means but basically wacom is focusing on making their production costs as low as possible to maximize their profits, and they are kicking out anyone on their board that disagrees with that. Its pretty obvious that they're not focusing on quality anymore.

>All of their patents have expired
No, not all. If you look them up on patent websites you'll see that they still actually hold some patents, but they for sure have lost some very important ones (like EMR for batteryless pen).

On the chinks vs wacom and cost of manufacturing, I actually think they cost around the same to manufacture these days. Wacom has been opting for cheaper and cheaper parts for their tablets. Being 100% profit driven, it make sense that they'd cheap out and keep the price tag high so they can make even more money on these tablets.

And yeah the chinks are catching up. Honestly, I'm really sick of wacom, they had so many years of no competition where they asserted themselves as tablet king. Now they're just using that good reputation and brand name recognition to sell horrible quality shit. I'd love to see any other company surpass wacom and become the new industry standard. Wacom needs a big kick in the ass and wake up call.

>>4867085
I too like to watch my pen die from splinters

>>4867105
They hold a billion abstract patents lie "Device that feels good to but in your butt" but the ones that actually matter such as
>the pen that is powered by magnetic field
>detection of pen tilt
and
>Detection of pen rotation
Are all expired, and what more do we realy need?

DESU Pen tilt already has very limited use cases, not that it's useless, but most artists don't bother with it and the brushes get too complicated. Pen rotation is only supported by the Art Pen that most people don't have and Wacom never updated since 2000 pressure levels were the bees knees, you can look at the pen, the design calls you back top the 2000s the rocker button looks old.

>>4867111
You sand them down until they're smooth. Its the same result as wacom's pencil feel nibs that are made of wood.

>>4866533
>while debating whether it's viable to save a couple hundred bucks buying a cheaper chinese tablet.

That's how you afford the monitor and the GPU lol.

Intuos Pro Large + Art Pen costs 500$.

Guys, I've got a question. What screenless tablet akin to an intuos M would you recommend? Also, do you think that a newer wacom could be lightly sanded/polished to eliminate the new texture?
My 2016 intuos is working as good as ever. But sometimes I wonder wtf I'd do if an accident happened. So I like to stay up to date with viable alternatives/ backups.

>>4867121
If you'd actually looked it up you'd actually see that wacom's patents are mainly based in e-ink and their pens that write on paper and save a digital version simultaneously. They're really into e-ink right now for some reason.

https://patents.justia.com/assignee/wacom

>>4867130
Please don't sand down your tablet. Just get a screen protector and put it over the active area.

>>4867130
>What screenless tablet akin to an intuos M would you recommend?
Deco Pro.
>could be lightly sanded/polished to eliminate the new texture?
Frankly it gets better after you rub your skin grease into it but the workingsurfaces on them are a replacable sticker, you peel one off and buy a smoother one.

I also knew a psycho who polished his older Intuos to a mirror finish for the "Apple Glass feel" with automotive appliances, but he was an actual diagnosesd schizso poster and I wouldn not take and advice from him.

>>4867134
Grasping straws, they are desprate to invent some gimmick and keep the edge, but the tablet technology is basically complete, there's nothing more to ask for.

>>4867140
The only thing I want from wacom is a tablet that doesn't break right after my warranty is up in one year and doesnt eat nibs like a whore. :'(

>>4867146
Sounds like the Intuos 4 that are highly coveted, good luck finding one in a good condition.

the japanese mangakas and old pros bought all of those out while they still could right when Wacom released their new nib devourers. And sit on the hoard of boxes like the toilet paper panic buyers or gpu miners.

>>4867134
Wtf is even an e-ink

>>4867139
Why Deco Pro over 01?

>>4867163
A sketchbook with an actual pen that you free with on paper, but it records and digitizes your strokes into digital.

Obviously they really wanted the sell pen refills.

>>4867170
Deco Pro actually has zero jitter and a slightly newer pen with a tighter pressure sensor and the nib doesn't wobble around.

>>4867176
Bummer, i thought it was something similar to kindle's display and was excited because i thought it implies wacom is looking into making cheap tablets with e-ink display a la kindle

>>4867140
>tablet technology is basically complete, there's nothing more to ask for
Would love to have a completely wireless, battery-less tab that doesn't need to install driver to run though

>>4867249
>ompletely wireless, battery-less
You couldn't afford it.

>>4867249
Wireless has delay to it, 100% sucks ass. And driverless isn't going to happen.

>>4867180
What, like this thing?

https://youtu.be/Yi3wLzd128A

>>4867279
Okay that looks pretty neat
The folding screen thing looks costly as shit though. They really need to add some expensive gimmicks like that huh? Why can't they just make a simple kindle with proper digitizer?

>>4867130
>do you think that a newer wacom could be lightly sanded/polished to eliminate the new texture?
Literally just put any screen protector over it for like $2

>>4867139
Hm, I see. Thanks for the recomendation. I'll check the Deco. I'm not very familair with XPpen. Though perhaps I should have said I live in third world land. So some things are not as easy to come across. But regardless, it's a good tip.

>>4867138
And don't worry, I'm not planning on sanding the tablet. I'm jsut wondering, if one had to get a wacom, what solutions there could be to eliminate the surface problem. Something extremely easy that I can think of is to use this one acetate like plastic sheet that you can get at a shop were architects buy supplies, and tape a bit of that to the working surface.
Sadly, I can't find the name of the material (my father used to work with it) but it has a very nice yet smooth enough surface.
Still, I'd rather buy a tablet that doesn't come with an added headache if I have to get another one.

>>4867537
maybe try using some automotive polishing compound used on cars or something like car wax?

might be a bad idea tho

>>4867130
>>4867537
>asking for advice in the confirmed china shill's thread
Based retard.

>>4867632
As opposed to posting in a confirmed wacom shill thread?

>>4867643
>recommending used tablets
>wacom shilling
Yep, you're a complete and utter idiot alright, Chang :)

>>4867632
I...thought this was the one where huion wasn't being shilled. Should I just go ahead and post everything twice on each?

>>4867684
Did you not get a hint from a chinese tablet being the OP image? Or the chinese tablets being shilled? Or the literal bitching in the OP? The only thing the OP of this thread is interested in is selling chinese tablets.

The non-chinese thread is here: >>4865345

get off 4chan, grandpa rutten

>>4867082
It has etched glass, so its rather smooth but still has this subtle texture that feels pretty nice. Ive had no real issues with the drivers, im on windows 10 though, cant speak for the other OS. The build quality feels very solid, but Ive only ever owned two other xp pens to compare it to. But it does feel solid and sturdy on my desk.

>>4867684
He's a pol schizo who will tell you to buy a used wacom tablet from 2013 instead of the myriad of cheaper, superior med sized tablets in todays market on the basis that theyre chinese and chinabad. We all agree that china is shit and the CCP need to be hung, but their tablets just work and for a sixth of the price of wacom ones.

You're supporting china no matter what you buy because it is all manufactured there.

>>4867692
Dyou think it could be him? lmao, imagine

It would explain the bitterness, honestly. His channel is dying from what ive seen, his viewcount is miserable and his shit all gets dislike bombed. I mean, its no wonder, he has outright established that he isnt neutral, naturally for a reviewer thats like shooting yourself in the foot; people dont actually have to watch your vids to know what your opinion is.

>>4867783
I don't think so, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was actually him

>>4867687
Because the other thread's OP totally isn't full of bitching about muh chinese boogeymen

>>4865324
Do I need a computer if I can draw on the tablet?

>>4867923
For the vast majority of them, yes. But you can draw on ipads/samsung tablets, as well as the mobile studio line from wacom which are portable computers.

>>4865324
>spent £1000 for an ipad pro gen 4
>have to wait a month for delivery

>>4867935
>he fell for the applel meme

>>4867684
Huion is trash unless you're paying for their expensive tablets. I honestly cannot recommend their cheap models and im hesitant to ever buy their shit after my experience with them. Who said this was a huion shill thread?

>>4867577
Thats a really bad idea.

>>4867537
Yeah a lot of people tape shit to their wacom to get away from the shitty active area. You could tape that plastic stuff down, you could go with a screen protector, some people tape a piece of paper to it for paper feel without nib wear.

>>4867351
I think wacom kinda did that with a kindle-like tablet but I heard it was complete trash because of the paperlike screen. Unfortunately there are limitations that come with that kind of screen and it doesn't work well with drawing.

>>4867967
>unless you're paying for their expensive tablets
???
HS611 and the likes of it are cheap and decent.
Kamvas 22 Plus is cheap compared to everything else.

The non Pro/Plus displays actually aren't worth attention.

>>4867971
>I think wacom kinda did that with a kindle-like tablet but I heard it was complete trash because of the paperlike screen
Well that was too bad, they might be able to do better this time though
Also what's the name?

>>4868028
Ah was thinking of the ReMarkable tablet that wacom made a stylus for. I guess it's probably using wacom EMR if they gave em a stylus though? Anyways the first version at least was total ass, dont know about the version2

>>4867994
Yeah I happen to have owned 3 different HS611s. 2 were shipped to me broken. On the 3rd one the stylus broke after falling 1 foot onto a plush rug. Its fine when it works but their stylus is cheap and their QA sucks really bad

>>4868124
>3 different HS611s.

How the fuck did that happen?
Are you actually that shitty reviwer guy?
No normal person would bother buying or returning 3 pieces of the same 60$ tablet.

Not to mention that getting 3 broken tablets in a row is less likely than winning a lottery.

I recently bought a Wacom Intuos Pro Medium.
Sometimes I activate functions I don't want to use by accident. Can I configure it so that it only recognizes the pen?

>>4868134
>3 broken tablets in a row is less likely than winning a lottery.
it's actually posible with huion though
>my first tablet was h420, pen likes to randomly die mid stroke
>second was a h430p, likes to randomly throw the cursor to the corner of the screen, but it doesn't happen often so i just bear with it
>third is a kamvas 13, cursor would randomly drift off the pen tip but will go back to normal if i alt+tab it
i don't have the h420 and the 430p anymore, but i can show you the issue with the kamvas 13 if you don't believe it

>>4868201
Yeah I heard you can disable the touch.
You should also disable the windows flicks and other gimmicks.

If your windows is thinking it's a touchscreen, opens the touch keyboard, waits for a long tap you can disable all of that stupid shit in windows too. Google it, I don't remember how I did it back then.

>>4868202
>pen likes to randomly die mid stroke
I would blame the bad usb connector.
I had issues with my old h610p too.

>>4868201
>Can I configure it so that it only recognizes the pen?
Yea, turn off touch and set all the button/wheel binds to "do nothing"

>>4865324
I've been using a wet cloth to clean my huion pro 21 tablet until recently I found out that you have to use something. What damage can this cause?

>>4868374
how wet exactly are we talking? iirc it's only gonna leave some streaks at most if you use something like wet wipes

>>4868374
>>4868415
If you wipe a monitor with a dripping wet cloth some water might seep in at the corners and ruin the display.

But that normally doesn't happen unless you're retarded. All safety norms and recomendations are written to exclude the possibility of a retard.

A few years back I bought a tablet, following /ic/ recommendations. It's a Huion 1060pro+. Ever since I haven't used it for reasons. One thing I remember clearly is it was super important to download new drivers for the tablet.

So I want to use it and went to download new drivers now and I'm having trouble. First, they don't have that specific model in their website. Second, I downloaded the ones which I think would be closest and when I try to install them (on Windows 7) I get an error saying it's impossible to install.

Am I fucked? Sorry I don't know much about computers

>>4868670
why are you still on 7? there should be a download for old drivers somewhere you're gonna have to google it also you might not have administrative rights so that could also be a problem

>>4865954
I have one, and I have two issues
One is that the calibration doesn't seem to account for tilt properly, so the point at which your pen meets the screen can never be calibrated to be consistently under the tip of your pen
The other is that the tilt itself is fucky, like it's not a smooth 360 degrees, at certain angles it kind of jams, it's hard to explain but my old intuos does not have this problem

I have a 21.5 inch monitor and a 15.6 inch laptop
Which one should I use as the primary screen for a screenless tablet?
Does it matter? I thought the closer the size of the monitor to the actual size of the tablet, the more accurate it'll feel

>>4865954
A few days ago I bought a Wacom Intuos Pro and my first impression was that I wasted my money. Screenless tablets were more uncomfortable than I expected. I wondered if I could return it and buy instead an XP Artist screen tablet, either the 15.6 Pro or the 22. At the end, I decided to keep my Wacom and I think I have improved since the first day. But I might take into account those XP screen tablets in the future.

What program do you use to draw with? Im too retardo brainlet to use stuff with 3 million functions like Adobe

>>4868865
Screened tablets are a waste of money. You already have a screen, look at it while you draw. it also improves your hand spatial awareness, invaluable when you're a big boy that draws from life.

>>4868865
Tool bad, me good

>>4868999
windows paint

spiritual compuder n good vibes beacon generator

>>4868999
Krita. You can make yourself a really simple layout, just google a how to.

Any idea why this is happening? I got a XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pr during there sale and when I turn it on it just says no signal and turns off again.

>>4869008
Well, I already said I'm improving. I know experienced artists prefer screenless tablets but god, the first day was really discouraging. I really felt I needed something for begginers. But second day things were already working better and lines were going where I wanted.

Is the Cintiq Pro 13 a good option?

>>4869232
no

>>4869232
That size you might as well just get an iPad.

>>4868865
DESU if you can already draw digitally with a regular tablet you really don't need a screen tablet. They literally has no advantage whatsoever over regular tablet other than being easier to get into and maybe, MAYBE, saving up space (but then again if you're able to afford a screen tablet most likely you can also afford a good desk as well)

>>4869016
wtf am I looking at

>>4869092
I can't think of other causes other than loose wiring or driver that's not properly installed. Try double checking those, if it doesn't work then probly the wiring/tablet itself is defective

>>4869092
also check to see in device manager you don;t have any conflicting adapters, best thing to try is to unplug all usb except keyboard and mouse then try the tablet plug in, I had a shit wireless usb dongle that was screwing with my tablet before

>>4868134
No i just bought it on Amazon and 2 were broken before I even got them out of the box so that was instant return and get a replacement mailed out. How is it so hard to believe that I returned them fucking immediately? Am I supposed to get a tablet that obviously is busted and not return it until I get a tablet that isn't broken? If I buy a tablet I'm making damn sure that I exchange it if its irredeemably fucked.

>>4869092
Do you have the red USB cord plugged into your computer? Try plugging it in to the power brick.

>>4869545
How's your experience using Amazon returns so far? I'm on the edge of getting myself a 22 plus but still kinda nervous about it, knowing huion

>>4869727
Not that person and I've never needed to return a tablet specifically, but Amazon returns are fucking great.

When it comes to things like computer parts, I'm willing to pay more for Amazon so I can get a potential replacement within 2 days.

>>4869727
Amazon literally doesn't give a shit, its great. You get a tablet thats fucked right out of the box, you can just immediately request an exchange or return and send it back. Amazon has a 30 day no questions asked return for any reason policy. I just took my tablet to a UPS store (that was the shittiest part of the process due to covid there are long lines and they don't let many people in the store at once) and let them scan a QR code amazon sent me, they took the tablet box and packed it, slapped a label on it, sent it off. Meanwhile from the second I requested an exchange a new one was on the way. If you don't return the faulty tablet before a certain amount of time after getting the new one they charge you for both so just make sure you send off the broken one ASAP and you've got no worries.

Its really easy and I trust Amazon with this shit more than huion. On the fucked up tablet from Amazon I tried talking with huion support about it first and they argued with me from the beginning and told me to stop hamfisting the tablet (the nib was jammed in the stylus before i even opened the box). Really glad I didn't have to deal with them for an exchange, they don't know shit about tablets.

>>4868833
It doesn't matter. I have a 16" display tablet and a 24" monitor. Youre going to be extending the screen instead of duplicating it most likely anyways.

>>4868833
Whoops misread it. Yeah for screenless you're going to use whatever monitor you want, and map the active area of the tablet to the same proportions of the monitor so you dont get distortion in your drawings. It might take away a little bit of draaing space at the top and bottom edge but its worth it.

>>4868765
I have the same tablet, you need to calibrate the tuning screw in your stylus. I had that exact same issue (but to a worse degree of tilt jitter, it jumped 1" away from my stylus on tilt) and the screw fixed it.

>>4869092
>>4869552
This. Youre not getting it enough power to turn on or youve got a fucked up cable.

>>4870043
You reckon this can work in huion as well?

>>4870099
I bet my ass it does since both rely on the Ugee technology under different brand names.

>>4868465
>If you wipe a monitor with a dripping wet cloth some water might seep in at the corners and ruin the display
How are you supposed to remove the leftover dust that sticks in the corners if the cloth isn't wet though? They just won't come off otherwise
And yes, i tried microfiber, the thing that came with the tablet, etc

>>4870317
>are you supposed to
You're actually supposed to use an wet alcohol tissue, fold or roll it up to reach into the corners.

If you're using a dripping wet cloth that drips and lets the water run intu the gaps - you're asking for trouble.

>>4870317
>>4870317
No one with a brain cleans electronics with anything other than alcohol. If you fuck up your tablet slathering it in water and random cleaning products they're going to fuck up the tablet, either from the said water seeping in or bad chemical reactions with cleaners than can eat at screens and their protectors.

>>4870118
What's with this thing about ugee and it's supposed ownership of xp pen and huion? I literally never even heard of this brand before i start coming to these threads

>>4870507
Ugee is making the actual tablet guts for both companies.
They recently acquired Xp-Pen too.

The firmware update tool for the tablets has the Ugee signature, the linux drivers see it as a ugee device etc.
Huion and Xp probably just design the plastic enclosure, but everything inside is Ugee branded,

>>4870582
I don't get it, so they're making products to be sold by brands that are owned by them and would end up competing with eachothers? What's the point?
Why did they even bother acquiring the other brands if they're capable of making perfectly good stuffs by themselves?

>>4869344
I feel the wires are solidly in place, and I've tried uninstalling the drivers several times and the results have been the same.

>>4869357
Aside from the Mouse and Keyboard I don't have anything else plugged in , this is my Device Manager with everything removed, I'm unsure what these Human Interface devices are.

>>4869552
>>4870045
I've got it plugged in at the wall, so I guess there's a problem with the cable, it's weird though that it'd register at all though as different devices.

>>4870653
Okay that's weird, the pen actually moves my cursor even though the tablet looks like it's off.

>>4870648
They don't want to touch the matters of marketing sales and shit.

>>4870653
A typical monitor says "No Signal" if it's not connected to a gpu. It probably has power but doesn't have the video input.

Did you stick it into the correct hdmi? Or did you use the USB-C? Usb C only works on some of the newest laptops.

>>4870653
>>4870661
So at least the usb port and the tablet is working then? I guess this means the problem lies with the HDMI cable/port (which unfortunately still means you need to replace the cable since it's 3-in-one, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you were getting it via amazon)

>>4870676
I'm ALMOST certain the user just stuck it into a wrong hole, or maybe the port is faulty.

Do you have a gpu? Did you stick it into the motherboard hole?

>>4870671
I got a HDMI adapter for a displayport connection so that I could plug it in that way, my card only has one HDMI port that I use for my monitor.

>>4870676
Yeah it's definitely registering my pen movements though the screens looks to be off, and when I unplug the black usb connector I get the disconnect sound, which I don't with the red usb. I ordered it from their site since they were having a sale, I've been emailing them too about it

>>4870689
Are you the fella who linked the amazon adapter? I answered you with it earlier, its possible that you got a faulty one. Pic related is one I picked up the store, its quite large

>>4870689
Oh goddammit it, I'm actually typing this from tablet screen, just out of curiosity I tried plugging the HDMI port I use for my monitor with the tablet HDMI and it works, but now my monitor's off, so I've got a shitty adapter that doesn't do anything, great. Well at least the tablet works.

>>4870689
>I got a HDMI adapter for a displayport connection so that I could plug it in that way, my card only has one HDMI port that I use for my monitor.

Well then test your tablet with that port to rule out whether the cable or the tabled are dead, stupid.
If your monitor works from that port you know for a fact that that port is fine.

Maybe you should connect your monitor through and adapter and your tablet into the HDMI port instead?

>>4870708
>Well at least the tablet works.
Maybe you can connect the monitor with that adapter?

>>4870701
Yeah that was me, what is your one called I'll try that.

>>4870689
>>4870708
Well shit, anon, should've told us earlier that you use an adapter. Glad the thing worked out somewhat fine for you though

>>4870716
its this one
https://www.otto.de/p/hama-displayport-adapter-fuer-hdmi-ultra-hd-505475885/#variationId=505475886

Hama DisplayPort-Adapter für HDMI, Ultra HD

I definitely got ripped off, but it works and i was an impatient shit who didnt want to wait for a parcel so I bought it at the electronics shop

>>4870717
Thanks, I've managed to get it working but it's one of those ones that's very precarious, and the lightest tap makes it disconnect.

>>4870726
How long have you had it for? No problems to report? I might keep the cheap one as a potential back up and get something else for long term usage like that.

>>4870741
>the lightest tap makes it disconnect.
Yeah, the connectors were never great on these stuffs. I know some people who end up semi permanently affixing their tablet to their desktop because of just how much they don't want to accidentally shift their cable around

Not really related to the device itself, but I want to ask, is Clip Studio Paint available for all android devices or is it just exclusive for galaxy s7/s7 plus? I came a cross someone who said they installed CSP on their Galaxy Tab A8 (2019) with S-pen long before Galaxy Tab S7 is out.
https://twitter.com/sadewoo0/status/1297022734208180225

https://twitter.com/sadewoo0/status/1297025016547041281

is this legit app? or did he just use his tablet as second screen? I didn't know that was possible though.

>>4870853
Ah wait, I might be retarded. It was just very recent, but still my question stands, is the app available for all android devices?

>>4870853
As far as i know yeah, it's just for galaxies. And even then, not all galaxy gets it. Only the ones that supports android 9 and up
Fuck japanese jews and fuck celsys

>>4870461
For a screen, a barely damp cloth is just fine. Just wring it out really well.

>>4870507
No, xp-pen / huion and not owned by/do not own ugee. Ugee is cooperating with Xp-Pen, they have stepped down from selling tablets and gone to just manufacturing the internals, which they sell to Xp-Pen. I've heard absolutely nothing and can find nothing about ugee and huion having the same kind of agreement, though. That doesn't mean they're not acting as a supplier to huion but I've found no proof that they've got a business relationship.

>>4871099
https://www.xp-pen.com/detail/113.html

>>4871108
Thats a business merger. Neither owns the other. They merged.

>>4871116
>Neither owns the other. They merged.
Pretty sure it says right there that Ugee is Xp-pen's parent company

>>4871658
No they merged. Both of them joined under the name "XP-Pen, Hanvon Ugee". Xp pen said they were integrating into that specific name, if used made a blog post about it they would have worded it the same way. Please look up what a business merger is and educate yourself. They make a new name and then join under that name.

>>4871668
No they didn't you ESL. XP-Pen didn't merge with anything, XP-Pen was a subsidiary of Ugee Technologies, literally a smaller company that is owned by Ugee Technologies. Ugee Technologies merged with Hanvon Ugee, making XP-Pen the property of the new merged company, Hanvon Ugee Technologies. XP-pen never had any ownership in the business situation, they were the property.

Anyone here use this shit?
Does it only work with XP-pen or is it a general purpose like wacom's? Also how does it compare with it in general? Does it also has magnets that lets you to stick it to your tablet?

>>4870891
I see. Well, at least I can confirm Galaxy Tab A8 with S-Pen supports it, so the more expensive one like S6 lite most likely supports it.

I'm a beginner and I will use the tablet mainly for zbrush (3d modelling). I did some research and read threads like this one. I'm planning to buy a wacom intuos small, is there a thing I should worry about? Thank you for the tips in advance.

>>4872211
I think you gonna be just fine.
Make sure tho order it with extra nibs though

>>4872211
I used that intuos small thing when i learned modelling/sculpting back then and thought it was alright, since unlike drawing, it doesn't seem to require you to use your entire arm
I dunno how it's gonna be at professional level though, i might be wrong

>>4868765
>>4870043
This brings up a very good point that I've never seen anyone mention:
Most XP-Pen's drivers only have 4 point calibration. That's all you get, just 4 points to account for tilt, viewing angle, and very loose manufacturing tolerances. I've historically seen 9-point calibration as an option for some XP-Pen devices, but mine (innovator 16) only has 4. Compare this to Wacom's 16 point with extra focus on the edges.
That means you'll always have cursor drift and that it will always be especially bad around the edges. Yes, I know cursor drift is no big deal cerebellum ...etc but that's bullshit. You bought a display for a reason, otherwise why not buy a screenless?

>>4872302
>, otherwise why not buy a screenless?
Good question.
I think the people are just memed into it, the screenless might look intimidating, like "how am i supposed to draw if I can't see anything"

>>4872302
If you have any cursor drift neat the edges like that, you need to fuck with the tuning screw in your stylus.

A question I have about the calibration though, does anyone else with xp-pen have a mouse cursor showing on top of the calibration screen? Or is it just me? Is this normal driver behavior for them?

>>4872211
If youre using zbrush I highly recommend a medium intuos pro instead of a small.

>>4872211
Modern intuos pro tablets are get you terrible value for your money. They are seriously overpriced.

>>4872211
I wouldn't get anything smaller than a medium desu. The extra room really makes a difference.

>>4871754

>>4871754
>Anyone here use this shit?
NO.
>Does it only work with XP-pen or is it a general purpose like wacom's?
General purpose
>Also how does it compare with it in general?
No fucking idea
>magnets
No

>>4872378
The tuning screw will help with IAF, but it won't change anything about the drift.
Also you failed to mention that twisting the tuning screw is a harsh tradeoff. If you tune the screw, you can't use the pen to click UI elements anymore, since it thinks you're always pressing down. Very few people would be okay with this exchange.

>>4872671
>since it thinks you're always pressing down. Very few people would be okay with this exchange.
No anon that means you fucked up lol.
You're not supposed to tune it that far.

Xp-Pen pens might come with either too sensitive or not sensitive enough setting and that's what you refine with the screw.
Also it seems to be related to the tilt detection or something i'm not sure.

The proper setting is to still have some minimal IAF but not too much and not constant pressure.

About drift though.
I just tested on my Deco pro
>fix the tip in place
>tilt all the way back and forth
>the cursor moves but only by a pixel or two

I can tell the tablet is actually mitigating the drift. It's aware of the tilt angle and it's solving the equation on the picture.

But Deco Pro seems to be a gen head of the rest.
Some people demonstrated that Artist and Innovator have some diagonal jitter but deco pro actually doesn't, i tested with a fucking ruler.

>>4872651
>magnets
>No
Well, that sucks

>>4872689
None of their tablets are made of metal except the Innovator that just came out. It makes sense.

>>4872702
That thing is ancient from before they started to include the wheel.

A physical rotating dial is vital to using Photoshop comfortably and basically nothing else.
Photoshop is the only widely used software without a functional flick-scaling. It technically has one too but it's unusable, and doesnt work inside the liquify window.

>>4871754
I dont, I just bought a mini keyboard. I mostly place it behind the tablet so my arm can rest around it

The screw itself is not analog, there are quantized steps to how much it changes the activation. You can't refine it with infinite precision.
Your only way of getting good IAF is to just barely overtune it and then adjust the curve accordingly. Anything less and you don't actually get better IAF at all.
The classical test is of course to just let the pen draw with its own gravity. There is no middle ground to achieve this without losing the ability to use the UI.

>>4872736 meant for >>4872686

What's the best non-intuos screenless tablet right now?

>>4872747
performance wise theyve all pretty much plateaud, the choice depends on what express keys/surface texture you want. deco pros have dials and a slightly rough texture whereas the h610 pro V2/h611 have a smooth surface and normal express keys

>>4872736
>The screw itself is not analog,
I'm pretty sure it is, pic related is the Deco Pro pen.
The pen looks to be made out of entirely passive electronic components, there's no digital controller chip or processor in there.

It's the tablet firmware that probably cuts off some minimal pressure simply to rule the need to manually tweak each pen on the factory. If they didn't some pens would come constantly drawing out of the box.

The way i tuned the pen it detects 100 pressure levels if you just put it vertically and i'm really comfy with it. It still has some IAF but it's low and i;m used to it.

In future the chinks could actually fix this by making the tablet firmware calibrate itself the moment when the pen gets into it's actually touching the surface.
>nothing
>the pen is first tetected near the tablet
>get the pressure value it's transmitting
>this value is equal to 0 pressure level

I really hope the Ugee engineers are intelligent enough for this.

>>4872747
>What's the best non-intuos screenless tablet right now?

By a hair thin margin it's Deco Pro.
But deco 01 is also very solid and i would recommend it to anyone.

>>4872754
>put it vertically
I mean under it's own weight.

And honestly IAF is not a problem. it's a flavor. You get used to it and stop caring.

Does anyone use Galaxy Tab S6 lite here? Is it good enough to work on them (for commissions etc)?

>>4872762
>>4872754
Yeah analog wasn't the right word sorry. I just mean it does seem like it goes in steps. And it's fucking hard to turn the screw, let alone precisely. I'm not a fucking electrician, but I'm not a spastic either. I'm pretty delicate, and it is not as easy as you make it sound. If you figured out a way to get it to activate with its own gravity without being so sensitive that it autoclicks, I'd love to see it.
Anyway, I don't even mind the IAF being high. My main point is that nothing you can do to the pen will prevent cursor drift, that's a software thing.
Someone figured out how to calibrate the older Surface Pro with over 100 point calibration and it basically eliminated drift.

>>4872809
I'm sure it is. I use a way older model (Tab A6) and it's perfectly capable to handle (admittedly light) stuffs like bust-up commissions and storyboarding. Now that it has CSP it should be even more capable, maybe even for making full-blown comic pages

>>4872822
Thanks! I'm thinking to switch to tablet for portability, but I was worried about buying older devices and not be able to run it smoothly. It's good to know it runs well on older model too. I wonder if it's worth to grab S6 lite, or perhaps a cheaper one like Tab A8 with S Pen?

>>4872818
>If you figured out a way to get it to activate with its own gravity without being so sensitive that it autoclicks, I'd love to see it

How am I supposet to show it?
I have a tiny little screwdriver that fits that little screw and I was carefully tweaking it

If I turn it too far clockwise it becomes way too stiff
If I turn it too far counterclockwise it's too sensitive and detects about 600 pressure levels right after IAF.
So i tweaked it so the cut off point is at roughly 100 pressure levels.

Press your pen as lightly as you possibly can and try and find the cutoff pressure.

>>4872832
Uhhh, if you're talking about CSP, unfortunately it's only gonna run on galaxy S6 and up
Tab A8's looks decent hardware wise, but 8" screen is tiny though. Not sure if it's gonna be comfortable to draw on

>>4872847
ah, I see. Indeed it looks cramped to draw on it. Although I know someone who draws on CSP using Tab A8.
https://twitter.com/sadewoo0/status/1297022734208180225
https://twitter.com/sadewoo0/status/1297025016547041281

Thanks for the answer anyway.

This shit is so overwhelming. Why are there so many fucking options. Me me just want a large screenless tablet. I use a intuos medium currently, but I feel the serpent on the branch coaxing me to dip my toe into the degeneracy of display tablets.

>>4872918
Just keep in your mind that, if you can already draw with a regular tablet, a display tablet won't give you any advantage at all (in fact it's gonna give you disadvantages because it's way less ergonomic than a slate tablet, it will strain your body faster and your productivity will suffer as a result)

>>4872943
Thank you for keeping me on the path.

I want to get used to screen tablet, should I just buy a medium size screen tablet like XP Pen Artist 15.6 Pro or android tablet like Galaxy S6 lite?

>>4873198
ultimately your choice of tool depends on what you personally want. If you want a small display, go for a mobile tablet. If you want something larger, say, to draw with your elbow, you'll be looking at the 15.6 pro

>>4873198
>XP Pen Artist 15.6 Pro
Unreliable chinese garbage.

Also 15.6" is nowhere near big enough of a display to justify purchasing over a far more reliable Galaxy Tab or iPad. 15.6" is small as fuck for desktop level software.

>>4873266
ok schizo

>>4873266
>>4865333
fuck off back your containment thread, schizophrenic retard.

>>4873198
Artist 15.6 Pro, Kamvas 16 pro or an iPad are your most reliable and under 400US.

Cintiqs are starting to show signs of Wacom cutting their lifespans, Android tablets have almost no optimization for drawing applications and pens with consistent pressure.

>>4873254
>>4873291
I'm beginner here. Does a bigger screen/drawing with your elbow really make that big improvement? I already own a medium sized screenless tablet, which I don't feel uncomfortable at all when using it. But then again probably it's because I've never used a bigger screen. Another factor that I consider s6 lite is the CSP and I need to upgrade my phone so I think why not use a tablet instead?

>>4873338
The minimum without hunching over and boxing yourself in is a 15.6 ideally. I recently upgraded to a 24pro and the space it gave me let me sit upright and not strain to see the screen. 15.6 is a universal size, perfectly balanced as all things should be.

I was looking on craigslist in my area and someone is selling a huion 221 pro for around 200 and someone else is selling a wacom 21ux (dtz 2100) for around the same price. Should I just go for the wacom?

>>4873406
You should save your money both of those are too old.

>>4873440
There's also a xp pen 15.6 (not pro), the only difference between that one and the pro is the tilt, right?

Can't afford iPad Pro so gotta ask here, between iPad Mini and regular iPad, which one is better for drawing?

>>4873477
Regular iPad do not even get anything as small as an iPad mini for drawing.

>>4873458
The Pro has tilt and more express keys along with the red dial.

>>4873479
is iPad 7th gen (2019) still good?

>>4873503
6th and 7th gen are still good.

What's the difference between Deco 01 v1 and V2?

I love my monoprice but I feel it's time to upgrade to an actual screen

What's the most affordable screen?

>>4865324
need a new bread

>>4873864
New >>4874004
>>4874004
>>4874004
>>4874004

>>4873864
>>4873908

>>4873286
>>4873290
>still mentally ill
Still a complete idiot, chang.

>>4874006
>>4874080
>thread wasn't at the bump limit
>make a new one anyway
>actually make several new ones
and you try to claim you're not a chinese shill.
Lol, such a moron.

>>4874096
ok schizo