/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4857198
ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Get your references from Tumblr idiot, lol.

Anons in last thread very helpful

Shapes are poor, but am I starting to understand simplification? If I nailed this stage, what would the next step be? Carving more nuance into the existing shapes, adding more values and value shapes on top, or beginning to model with blending forms?

How primitive bs complex should my shapes be before I start blending and playing with edges, do I blend once eeeevery shape and nuance is added?

>>4857242
How, for example, would I approach the arms?
At the minute they are the same colours and values.
Would I repaint the further one darker? Would I glaze it with thinner washes? Layer properties like overlay, multiply etc?
Would I try to find an existing darker value/colour to replace it with, or add a new one?

And at what stage in the blocking in of simple shapes do I start differentiating and breaking the simple string value scheme into more nuance?

>>4857249
all these question would be answered if you just go take a course mate instead of just hacking together knowledge

>>4856696
Took me like 40 minutes to make this garbage,

Last thread died when i posted.

>>4857254
Yeah, you’re right. I’ve been flipping through several books at once, a good course would help. What do you recommend, my draughtsmanship is passably decent but shapes and painting pretty poor.

>>4857286
im sorry i cant recommend one as i dont paint myself, just go to the torrent thread and look under the painting ones, desu the one you pick isnt going to matter terribly as they will all teach similar things so dont get too caught up in picking one, best thing to do is get started and stick the course through or until you realise the teachers not for you

fuck it heres the list as i had it up
CGMA Art of Color & Light - https://mega.nz/#F!CHBUEahQ!YmW9EueacdNsKW3mZYGRRA
Craig Mullins' Digital Painting (Schoolism) - https://mega.nz/folder/6hMBxQDQ#z3lhLfkZPzLgE7SHJ_cwLQ
Dorian Iten's Light and Form - http://online-courses.club/mastering-light-and-form-dorian-iten/
How to Paint with Rick Alman (The Great Courses) - https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5671997
Learn and master painting with Gayle Levee - rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3789832
Marco Bucci's Digital Painting (Gumroad) - https://mega.nz/#F!KKA0UQiA!IQZo0gy_yH5OAwKsPEIdqg
moderndayjames' Digital Painting Techniques (Gumroad) - https://mega.nz/#!1ZUEDIgJ!UwY5KIYMD2kUrH0B8vIGoutZNZzksQqdSdNYljfMtII
moderndayjames' Painting SciFi Characters (Gumroad) - https://mega.nz/folder/rgUw0I5Q#7Y9Fe1WYv6qREp4RXErUKA
The Complete Painter: Lessons from the Masters with David Brody (The Great Courses) - rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5818260
Ty Carter's Color - https://mega.nz/#F!DKRDBSgD!tNWAYvCAqVzxZBq4gO9yiA

hello my fellow schizoid autist chads
heres a ms paint i made a few months ago posting since i never post my work

Todays lunch doodle. I'm not happy with this one. I feel I tried too hard with it, also not a fan of how the hair turned out. Think I'll spend part of this weekend doing hair studies and then simplifying them.

Also, starting to realize the eye problem and that it might actually be better to draw 3 lines for the eyes instead of just the middle section so I can get the sizing correct.

>>4857282

>>4857242
MUCH better. You have not nailed this stage (and you'll need to do literally dozens before you're really at a point of progession) but the next step would then be breaking shapes into smaller shapes with smaller changes in value / color, until you're confident in the level of complexity you've achieved. How far that will be is a matter of taste but generally you want to remain as simple as possible while still achieving the level of detail / design that you need for the piece. Look at JC Leyendecker, they're clearly simplified and design-y paintings, but they have an unbelievable level of realism and "life" at the same time. That's top tier shape design.

Edge manipulation (is it soft? hard? How soft, how hard?) is how you connect the shapes. You don't want to just blend them all together and lose the structure they provide, but you probably won't get a sufficient level of polish if you leave them all with hard edges. Contrast and balance are everything.

>>4857227
Yea, I think I'll try that, and maybe go over tutorials about tits again.
>>4857245
Pic related, took me better part of an hour and I still don't know what am I missing (except maybe wonky spheres).
Not really trying to be sketchy.
But back to forms it is I guess.
>>4857264
I'm mostly using then to get better sense of space and direction

>>4857406
That is far too many to be drawing in an hour. Do you want to get them right or not? Take your time, draw a really nice circle, and make sure the vertical / horizontal lines go ALL THE WAY AROUND. Unless you do this, you're not going to internalize the way that lines wrap around forms. If it takes 10 minutes to do one carefully.... take 10 minutes.

Same issue with the contour lines, do you want to get them right? Then slow down, and try to draw them all the way around. If you draw them messy it's worse than not having them at all.

>>4857375
Thats amazing. Thank you.

I did use full loomis head at first but i fucked up some proportions.

>>4857430
what have you been using?

>>4857432
what do you mean?

>>4857436
to learn

>>4857437
uhhh, well i started off reading loomis, and watching prokos videos on it, i then did marco buucis understanding and painting the head but honestly most of the my progress has just been drawing picture of heads i find on pinterest, just using my eyes and getting more comfortable with drawing in general, i started villpus renaissance head drawing today which i got from link below

https://online-courses.club/renaissance-head-drawing-by-glenn-vilppu/

>>4857242
Can you elaborate on the simplification. It looks super flat due to the green and skin tone being very close to each other in value. Feels a bit like your simplification is simply whether the skin is covered by goo or not, and not really concerned with the form.

Have you considered a limited value palette study of this girl? maybe 3-4 values in total? That would force you to simplify ^^

Was getting a bit tired of drawing figures so I've been drawing animals. Here's my dog. He's a mix between an Australian cattle dog and a terrier.

>schizo edition
well then thats right up my alley!
heres some world of warcraft stuff i did recently, been in a 6 month drawing hiatus.
i hope its not that bad

The last two /beg/ threads have been helpful and had a lot of work of varying degrees of skill posted as well as proper feedback and specific fundies recommendations.

based.

>>4857544
Not bad! If you're serious about improving you're ready to start to move away from stylized features at this point and approach constructing them from a very academic standpoint.

In addition, you'll want to work on form (especially some sort of simplification like the famous Loomis head / mannequin) if you're not already.

In this specific drawing, I see conflicting perspective between the nose and hairline (which are facing more to the right) and the eyes and mouth, which are closer to being straight on.

Generally this sort of inconsistancy is introduced in the constructive stage and is usually exacerbated by using stylized features - this is one reason why very abstract styles of drawing, such as comics and manga need to be absolutely grounded in fundamentals. It's just too hard to know if your features are in the right place if they're not grounded in a sense of form and perspective.

is anyone else autistic enough that they look up photos just to observe without drawing? like you consider all the steps, construction, and textures to try something later.

>>4857604
no but i do this with objects i see in life

>>4857604
i do this when talking to people irl or watching movies, i try and deconstruct their face

>>4857430
Gives me a Bobby vibe

how can I make my messy lineart more appealing?

>>4857651
whos bobby?

>>4857662.
How is this /beg/?

>>4857662
Part of it is that you just need to draw cleaner. Sorry, but black and white "inking" style artwork is super, super hard and you have to be GOOD to be good.

Part if it is just understanding line weight. The thicknesses of lines aren't arbitrary - for example they should be heavier on the shadow side, thinner on the lit side of a form. Thicker lines move a form toward the view, thinner ones back. There are a TON of different things that can be expressed just with line weight.

"The Art of Comic Book Inking (Third Edition)" goes into a lot of that stuff, but some you'll have to just pick up from various artists you admire.

>>4857716
That is (roughly) a beginner level artwork.

>>4857716
i swear some of you guys dont look at enough art, people say this shit all the time, go look in /draw/ and youll see why this is still beg, its like your minds are warped cause you just star at shitty beg art, the mans face aint bad though but its still just pretty basic

>>4857720
Yeah. Dark Horse kind of /beg/

>>4857537
very schizo-ish and rough, but kinda has a /soul/

keep learning.

just wanted to thank the guy that gave me critique on the last post, it ended and i couldn't No.4857709, thanks man your critique on the 3 silhouettes were spot on. you are the MVP. It helped me see how fucked up it was

just fucking around, sorry for chicken scratch im going to paint over it later, but does the pose look ok?

How the fuck do you retards have such clean proper flowing lines, i'm trying to draw a body and I need to re-do parts over and over it doesn't look fluid.
I guess it's a rhetorical question though, all just muscle memory and exp.

>>4857847
Rough it in! You should have a pretty clean rough to do final lines over, and then do them real nice with smoothing if digital or a good hand if analog. I know everyone says "don't pet your lines, draw from the elbow / shoulder" but that's it. No secret.

>>4857847
>el no sabe

>>4857847
Trace straight lines freehand from elbow/shoulder 10x each for 1,030 lines. Gradually work your way up to a page's length, with curved and curled lines. Circles should be looped around 3x each.

Repeat this for half a sketchbook until efficient.

>>4857718
>Rough line art can only be improved with cleaner lines

You make it sound really hard, I thought inking would be the next step after sketching.
I sketch a lot but stay away from shading/painting and this picture is one of the few attempts of lineart I did a few months ago.

thank you for the advice, I stick with sketching till I figure out how to do shading and stuff.

>>4857884
See >>4857881

>>4857325
There's generally one eye's worth of space between the eyes.

any advice for information overload? i think i branched out too much because now i never know what to draw. there’s zero focus

>>4857811
Overall good, what were you referencing?

>>4857906
>1 eye space between eyes at 3/4
ewww

>>4857908
What do you want to draw long term... if you had all the skills you could ever want, what would you draw? Chances are it getting there will need mastery of fundamentals you haven't mastered, so work on those. If you're not inspired, be ready for your next inspired moment by grinding.

Better to draw hundreds of grind heads than 1 masterpiece length head that you're not proud of.

>>4857917
It's still one eye of space... just forshortened. The perspective changes but the proportions don't (not that it needs it however, the drawing looks fine).

>>4857912
thanks for the redline, i figured that knee was looking pretty weird but i couldn't figure it out, and i was just practicing from imagination

>>4857920
that’s probably perspective for framing in comics/manga and creating scenery in terms of large scale personal projects. drawing boxes every day sucks, though. i guess i can try gesture again when i get bored

>>4857949
I mean, don't do gesture out of boredom, do it because you're passionate about drawing people. If you're not, do something else. Don't do gesture just to do it if it doesn't align with your goals.

>>4857925
I know, I'm just messing about. And there's a lot still wrong with the drawing besides the spacing on the eyes. Like a whole lot, I still have a long way to go.

>>4857958
well being able to draw people for fun is why i’m here in the first place. but that’s not what i consider a project in relation to an entire comic series. what i think i should do is stop thinking of every fundamental skill at once and practice what my studies naturally lead me to, which is currently perspective just so i can get through a book. i do want to get started on anatomy, but that’s apparently too hard for /beg/ before more basic figure drawing.

>>4857198
Where the fuck are the refs OP.

I don’t think I’ve ever even been bad enough to get picked for the OP image in a thread. I’ve never even earned a cool nickname like schizo or gains goblin or asukafag. I’ll never make it. I need to read this Loomis thing you all talk about. I picked up one of the books once at an art store. Too expensive.

>>4858081
I always see your art and recognize it on this board. Just because u don't have a cool nick name doesn't mean you're ngmi.

And just google 'loomis pdf' and download a free version.

>>4858081
You are truly trapped in purgatory. Your drawings are not bad enough to merit shit posting and not good enough to give (You)s. Your content is not unique enough to gain you a name either. The text in your posts is not witty or memorable. And you don’t post frequently enough to generate interest.

Your drawings are suffering incarnate as they disappear into an anonymous ether

Keep posting

>>4857198
How did I do anons? I know the text bubbles are fucked and I need to make his chest more 3d but I think it looks good besides that

Any thoughts on my art?

What's the best way to practice drawing hands?

Should you just find a ton of references and grind those out, or should I try to make up poses, or what. I'm done sucking at hands I just want to practice them everday until I'm good.

>>4858095
why do you always draw the heads so big

>>4858105
Draw a square but one side is curved thats where the thumb will go. Then draw 5 lines for the fingers and thumb make sure the length is how you want it. Put a circle at the end of the fingers and then make 3 u shapes going down from the circle to the knuckle. Erase the extra lines and you have a hand.

>>4858112
these suck desu

>>4858111
I draw small and normally draw the head first. I think I'm slowly getting better at it. Pic related is the monster I made 2 weeks ago, I realized I had an issue after I made this.

>>4858113
You're in beg anon I'm just trying to help make it easier for you if I can.

>>4858089
You wouldn’t download a car, would you? :)
>>4858094
What makes for unique content? I like the slime thing. I don’t see many others doing it. But oh well. I’d tried to do the draw-a-box porn thing, but apparently I can’t draw a box. And nobody cared anyway. Some people do recognize me as the raccoon guy. Damn, I ain’t drawn raccoons in a while! They’re so cute!

thoughts on this drawing i did when i was 13?

>>4858126
post something you did now.

>>4858115
memorize ur proportions already

and clean up ur lines

Ruin me. attempting to free myself from using thicker lines. And an attempt at less rigid body language.

>>4858095
>>4858112
>>4858115
I hope to god for your sake you're an underage, and that there is no fully grown adult actually thinking what they're doing isn't downright garbage.

>>4858131
Thank you anon, Yeah I know I'm using paint because Its easy I'm slowly switching to Krita but I'm still getting used to it.

>>4858140
Thank you anon I'm trying to get better when I make I'll make sure to remember you

>>4858140
But underage people aren’t allowed on 4chan. And especially not on an adult board! There are rules, anon.

>>4858135
this is honestly really good except the hands. seriously, study hands and you will be intermediate level.

>>4858135
>>4858146
and the arms too now that i look at it a little more.

>>4858144
*Make it
My bad I dont feel like getting spit roasted by crabs

>>4858126
looks like a 13 year old did it

>>4858126
Cute, Now draw it again

>>4858150
thanks anon didn't see the arms right away looks like I ended up covering the proper angle with the wrist bands.

>>4858135
and the shoulders are wonky too. the more i look at this the more i find is wrong with it. this is beg tier, but higher beg tier.

>>4858081
i like. more cooomer stuff now

>>4858115
i wondered why his (they?) shirt was so veiny. then i realised hes wearing a shirt fashioned from the ballsacks of his enemies. badass.

>>4858168
soulless

>>4858097
I can see it being in an old magazine

>>4858241
Blog?

Guess which historic figure i butchered today.

>>4858259
mao

>>4858259
Nelson mandela

>>4858261
Eh, rather close, this one's also a commie.

>>4858095
I mean what do you want to hear? That it's good?

It's really sloppy and looks like it was done in paint with a mouse. Trash.

>>4858264
commies r bad.
the poster on the wall at my post office said so.

>>4858081
At least this one looks cleaner than most stuff I've seen from you. I kinda miss the cartoony hourglass body but I also think this one works better somehow. I don't like her face though.

for the digitalfriends out there: what canvas size do you use? On one hand I don't think I need more than ~2000x2000 pixels for a simple study, but then again I paid for 64 gigs of ram and dammit I'm gonna put it to work.

Just started Dunn’s book on pen and ink. I love how ink and hatching looks in general so I hope I can get really good one day

I seem to have little to no problem drawing gestures, but as soon as I start doing a figure drawings or some Anatomical/Perspective studies my brain just gives up. Am I doomed?

Uhmm... I'm working on this right now but i'm really concerned... Do you find this style appealing? or does It looks lame? I know anatomy must be fucked but i didnt any construction, just wanted to practice painting.

>>4858329
Hard to tell because everything is blending into each other. Use lasso tool to make area selections so you can make hard edges easier.

can someone help me with the hand, its bothering me

>>4858317
not a bad start anon! I'd be a bit more judicious with the texturing on the brush bristles though. You ideally want your texturing to move in the same direction as your object, if that makes sense.

>>4858259
Hitler

>>4858350
Tyvm! Yeah, I used this as a reference and wanted to see how decently I could get form across and use different kinds of strokes

>>4858345
Pinky leading into wrist line makes it look super long, either delete it or move it to the left / break it up at the pinky start.

Look at the base of your own fingers - they are arranged in n arc, yours look like they start along a slope. Yours are also continuous tubes, don’t have a sense of taper or much anatomy going on - look at 80s manga for some really nice simple hands

Wrist looks broken, indicate the bend better

Please critique

>>4858382
>>4858317
This was sort of blind practice on shading spheres with pen. How the fuck am I supposed to ink in a circle? Top row was pencil first, bottom was freehand pen only. Anyway as mentioned this was blind, so I’ll try more later after I read more on it or something. Thoughts?

>>4858474
Oops forgot pic

How's my setup?

>>4857526
Really like this one, very soulful

>>4858259
Please stop drawing and posting pictures of my dad. Thanks.

>>4858329
I'd recommend using a harder brush and also choosing a light source and blocking out light/shadow from the start. I think you should also up the saturation on your colors and darken the values since everything is very light. It looks like you know how the forms work/where to place them but you're values just aren't dark enough. Pic related is a rough example of how I would approach it. First block out a strong shadow shape with a deep saturated color and then you can start blending. Hope this is somewhat helpful.

>>4858503
You know how to hold a pen and some muscle anatomy. That's something.
Now go start over from very start and learn proper anatomy, perspective etc.

>>4858535
very gamer. your wrist bones will love you for using that pissbaby bitch tablet

>>4858535
Good enough for a beginner.

>>4858112
you are unfit to give advice

>>4858291
>I don't like her face though.
Anything in particular? Unappealing faces has been a consistent compliant of my work.

>>4858095
>Head too big
>angle of the head is like a side view whereas the body is 3/4
>shoulders are the same size, but one should be bigger than the other
>the right fist(closer one) is noticeably smaller than the left one
>pose is a little stiff
My opinion

I can never get biting the lower lip to look quite right.

>>4858689
That's the minor of your concerns, I'm afraid.

>>4858689
Then study it. Stop whine for not having enough responses.

You'r on upper end of beg. I like your Disney like style. Just finish your drawings (line, color, rendering) and maybe I can even nut to your drawings.

>>4858689
just search reference for what you struggle with

I've currently been doing gesture practice using only nude, adult, male, and female models. Is this a bad idea? Should I be using as many body types as possible? I use line-of-action.com for models

>>4858744

>>4858746

>>4858747

>>4858748

>>4858750

>>4858752

>>4858744
>>4858746
>>4858747
>>4858748
>>4858750
>>4858752
>>4858753
p-picresize bro?

"Hard Round Brush" as in the G-Pen in CSP? Or is that talking about painting?
Trying to find out about HRB I also noticed people talking about Hard Square Brush, which at least makes sense to me as a distinction from like 90% of default brushes.
What's the deal?

>>4858758

sorry

but what do you think

btw another pic in progress

>>4858758

>>4858724
I actually keep forgetting to do that.
>>4858711
Fuck off.
>>4858719
O-okay. I'll stop whining. ... whatever happened to the /int threads, anyway?

>>4858772
Cool pieces, but are you making sure to study your fundies in between them? No offense but they're all severely lacking on the technical side.

>>4858777

definitely should do that. caught me.

Total beginner here, I tried to draw a lizard. Will respond to this with my own ref pic. Any tips in particular I should go with?

>>4858786
Here's my reference picture. I need to figure out how to draw those conical scales by the neck.

>>4858786
>>4858788
You try to draw a complex 3D form but you lack of understanding of very simple 3D shapes.

Draw basic 3D forms (qubes, triangles, balls) until you understand how a line behaves in a different angle and position.

Also before you post a drawing, spent more then 10 minutes on it.

>>4858801
Harsh but fair, thanks for the advice.

>>4858786
>>4858788
Get a few beginner books from the art book thread. Read through, practice at your own pace. You cannot get any meaningful critique as a total beginner as you don't even understand simple forms currently.

>>4858786
this shows zero understanding of the forms in the reference image. it’s instantly noticeable in how the eye is just circles without any depth. slow down and take more time to observe the subject instead of making symbols.

>>4857198
>working on learning C U B E S
>absolutely no clue how some lines should look like under certain circumstances
>no transparent cube just laying around
>remember blender
Ya know what? Sometimes learning 300 fucking things at the same time has it's advantages.

>>4858788
Learn to read you motherfucker, it's the first post in this thread explaining in detail not to draw the way you did and it gives lots of helpful links, why do so many people shit out a 30 second drawing and come running to beg looking to get their garbage put up on the refrigerator are people that desperate for attention sorry for crab rant this one got me

Something we can all shit on.

>>4858081
well its getting more appealing and the characters dont look as much like crack whores anymore

>>4858503
gmi

where is askuafag lately? i wanted to tell him to look up this artist, 2dpanda. makes exactly the same style faces as you but everything is a little better.

>>4858744
a good idea
>>4858746
eh
>>4858747
cow in the center kinda kills it.
>>4858748
too green
>>4858750
cute
>>4858752
eh
>>4858753
nice unique colours

keep it up

>>4858931
>my posts still never get replies

I’ll crawl out of mega beginner some day

>>4857198
Is there a "recommended" file size when working with photoshop or do you just throw whatever your pc can handle?

>>4858937
im interested in paintings, so thats what ill gravitate towards commenting on.
is yours >>4858847 ?
practice making long unbroken strokes with your pencil. look at the shapes you see in hair as parts of it clump together and draw those. dont put yourself down so much, even good artists can still draw crap.

>>4859019
There isn't. If I don't know what I'm going to draw (i.e. practice) I'll usually do 3000 x 4000. If I want to draw something specific, I'll relate it to the real life size of whatever I would draw on, and then do 300-400ppi - so for an 11x17 bristol it may be 3300x5100 digital.

>>4858423
Let’s start simple: is his head resting on the pillow, in which case it needs to be bent back because that pillow is below the upper surface of her legs, or is it being held up by her hand, in which case it needs to be below her head (and why is the pillow there?)

>>4859019
10000 x 10000 at 1000dpi is automatically guaranteed to produce the sharpest, smoothest lines.

>>4859060
wtf my house is on fire

>>4859060
this
4000 x 4000, 300 dpi is the absolute minimum for digital art.

>>4859068
>600dpi + double the intended resolution will get you covered
any truth to this?

How does one incorporate their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ into their coomer art?

>>4859085
if you consider the size a 1:1 digitised copy of a masters painting (or i guess any decent size painting), then yeah probably.

>>4859089
bible is full of sex and hookers.

>>4859090
I'm too brainlet to understand that

>>4859089
bible is the c oomer book

>>4857198

>>4859045
Thanks. To be honest I liked the concept itself (bikini composed of 2 jellyfish) so it's the first time I draw something from imagination. But my coomer brain left the head and shoulders for last.
Maybe I'll redraw it...

>>4859094
are you printing? dpi is generally a term for pieces destined for print. dots per inch.
a screen is viewed by pixels, 1920x1080 being a common size, thats 2.1 megapixels. we're moving into 4k being a standard, thats 16 megapixels. 8k comes out to 33 megapixels. if you were future proofing your digital art you would aim for it to fit somewhere in there.
but you dont want a piece to be that size as you work on it, you need to be able to zoom in to work on details without it blurring on you. so double that for the project file.

>>4859125

cover picture for my music mix
made with cristal bic pen on paper and colored with paint.net
inb4 the babylonians start screaming DUDE

>>4859171
should of made the smoke into dragons, i mean DUDE

getting wobbly lines on diagonals with a huion 1060 tablet (yeah yeah I know), even using a ruler, so far I've:
>updated driver (clean restarts in between)
>checked for firmware update
>checked for windows ink incompatibility
>checked for software incompatibility
blease helb, dunno what to do

>>4859395
shaky hands?

>>4859395
>>4859411
update: found out it's caused by the tilt of the stylus, lines are perfect past a certain angle threshold

>>4859460
thank you for this update i was getting worried

while doing this, i have trouble with proportion and ends up redoing it over and over again, any tips on that?

got the linework done but i feel like something is off with the face
been staring at it too long to tell though

And todays entry. I listened to anons advice and tried to move the eyes roughly 1 eye apart with a little shrinkage for the angle. Also drew rough lines for the top and bottom of the eye to help me out and feel it did. Though still need more work on that.

>>4859465
no problem, please check my patreon for more

>>4859470
I like it. The mouth is a little too far away from the other features and the hand is a blob though.

tried actually penning over a drawing today

>>4859480
i see what you mean
i moved the mouth up a small bit and redlined the hand, my bad for not using a reference before
does this look any better?

>>4859494
Yeah. The hand looks good. I cant really see the change on the face though

Testing new brushes, shading, and perspective (only one for now)

>>4859519
is it from some 3d app?

>>4858259
Freddy Mercury

>bad drawing
>but he explains it better than peter han
i am conflicted

>>4858658

I'd like to know how to get the loomis method

>>4859642
... Then read the book.

>>4859648
My bad, I can't choose what details to mark and which others to ignore

>>4858786
Dodson's Keys to drawing, Iten's accuracy guide and the first steps of how to draw what you see

>>4859642
Learn to draw cubes with circles on their faces in one, two and three point perspective, learn to multiply/divide rectangles, maybe intersect simple forms. Use that knowledge and experience to follow Loomis method. Or just eyeball everything from the very start.
I don't get why someone would want to draw heads from imagination using his method when they could just draw from reference, though.

>>4858081
your style is one of the most recognizable on here, and that anatomy is looking great, but I personally just dont like the way you draw faces because they kind of lack any appealing feminine traits or how muddy your shadows can be but idk if thats a style choice or not.

>this is the face of a man who has lived for a eternity
>he has never ceased drawing
> he drew and he drew and he drew
>but in the end none of it mattered
>and he was betrayed by the one thing he liked drawing

can someone please give me a guide on who all these obscure people are like gains goblin and asukafag. I want to know all their stories, I just joined the board like 2 weeks ago.

>>4859761
or maybe dont get caught up in some eceleb fucking personalities on a board and focus on drawing or go back to discord

>>4857242
thats a gooey pic

>>4859761
warosu is your friend

Been learning the rules of the head and am finally beginning to develop my style. My human anatomy (body mostly) still isn’t there but I think my style is coming along

>>4859761
Don't forget cumfarti

>>4859778
woah I just wanted to hear some funny shit while I draw

Wanted to get some practice for inktober.
I didn't know about Loomis before this drawing of a Loomis 4 step tutorial.
Also tried to make a little bit of it ethereal with eraser dabbing. Probably didn't go far enough with that though.

>>4859827
this is the most cursed drawing ive seen yet congrats

>>4859846
: D
Thanks, that makes me feel good.

>>4859827
it looks like a 6 year old tried to copy an abstract painting on a dry erase board and left it there for 10 years

>>4859827
bro when did you start drawing?? this looks awful please dont post your works until at least 3 months into learning

>>4859827
It's one of the best pieces of art I've seen in my whole life, please ignore the other retards being crabs, you ALREADY MADE IT anon.

>>4859873
I think it looks good because of the extra dried on ink I didn't finish erasing.

Oh my god someone please help me. usually im ok at faces but this is looking so retarded. her head looks too big for her body and her facial proportions look so wrong redline please???

>>4859827
why yes i study loomis, how could you tell?

How can I practice the tonal bar?
Btw, doing keys and loomis at the same time, anything else?
>>4859665
I want to make my own original drawings

so i'm learning to draw boxes in 2 point perspective and 3 point seems to indicate lean and tilt

how do i create vanishing points if i'm trying to draw the figure? or when i'm trying to go off from a reference

>>4859970
i guess to be more specific, what would indicate where would i place my horizon line if i have a mode like this and i'm just trying to draw the head

Am I gonna make it?

>>4859975
Draw a box around the head and extend the parallel lines until they touch.

>>4859484
so this is the power of PITT pens? Try gesture work first

>>4859988
I think 7 Eleven might be looking for something else, anon.

>>4859988
are you asian? then yes.

>>4859988
Are you planning on profitizing off foot fetishists? then sure

Can you guys give me a direction on what I should focus on studying. Here is my most recent work

>>4860011
Perspective

>>4859970
Most figure references are taken from far enough away and with a narrow enough lens, and from a level enough angle that the 3 point vanishing points are WAY out, far beyond the image boundaries (where they're much less useful). In these cases it is best to just box the reference as a whole and then focus on the perspective of discrete body parts -

Close up shots with a wider lens will eventually enter the realm of 2 and 3 point perspective, and eventually 5 (or curvilinear) perspective as the view widens and distorts. The vanishing points will still be off the page but there will be a visible difference of perspective between, for instance, the brow line and the collarbone line.

Loomis depicts a head like this in "figure drawing for all it's worth", as a head so large that it's almost architectural, with clear 2 point perspective.

The most pertinent use of perspective in the typical straight on image is knowing what's above and below us, and what's coming towards us or away from us, and what's to the left or right of our vision (i.e. 1 point perspective), but when drawing comics or other intense scenes a wide angle / close up vibe is common and therefore you'll construct your own perspective lines, usually in 3 point.

I'm doing framed perspective 1 and I'm struggling doing the pool house exercise because I can't get big enough paper for not having extremely distorted image due to vps being on the page not apart enough and doing the perspective grid with out of page relative positions everything becomes incorrect very quickly by the time I fuck up amy subdivision. All of this without counting it takes me around 10000 rays and by then I have a hard time reading what the fuck was my original layout. What the fuck do I do? Am I expected to believe people do this freehand perfectly?

>>4860011

Stop using symmetry mode / copying left to right. You need to get good at using your eyes to notice symmetry errors and doing this will hold you back.

It's good that you're grouping fingers, but for an open hand usually the middle / ring touch, or middle ring pinkie.

Compare hands to the size of the face to help proportion... yours are way small (and proportions in general need work).

>>4860028
Get bigger paper, no two ways around it. Tape 4 sheets from the back if you need to. Drawing anything requiring precision on small paper is hard.

Once you've practiced you'll be able to visualize vanishing points and do a "good enough" job of respecting them, or if you absolutely need them you can literally use "off paper" vanishing points: put a sticky dot on the table (or a pushpin) and tape your paper down so it doesn't move). Now you have constant VPs without massive paper.

>>4860048
Thanks for the feedback. Is there anything else that I need to work on?

I was told to come here, this is what several days training got me too in skill level with my shit display tablet, I want to get better with photoshop tools, which ones are good for black drawings, tell me what to do like with drawing in general in improve with the display tablet tech

>>4859923
I think the drawing is mostly okay but the spine seemed a little high to me and the belly a little too thin so I tweaked those. For the face I think you placed the eyes and nose correctly but made the lips too big and placed them too low on the face. Pic related is a quick example of what I mean. (I also added a bit more saturation to the suit since yours was entirely grey, I added a hint of blue)

>>4860062
If you're doing it for fun / hobby, your line weights need attention, proportions obviously, perspective will help your arms / hands.

If you want to get really good / work you are basically just off the starting line, so get started on your fundamentals.

>>4860066
What are you asking? You don't need to be worrying about learning photoshop, you need to be learning to draw. This is like asking which instagram filter to use.

help with vertical circles

>>4860011
just by looking at the right arm i think you are simplyfing your anatomy with really simple forms which is good but for studying, and it's obvious to me that your anatomy is really uber/beg/ in the sense that you haven't studied anatomy properly, the lenght and size of your anatomy is wrong and i dont mean it like it's not perfect but rather you are making really big mistakes like the size of these hands and fingers placement, if you want to get better at anatomy, study forms and then try to simpliy them to construct your anatomy but not at the degree of just 2 tubes, try intrincated forms this will help you to see in 3D which will help you to construct your anatomy better and convey these forms ...

>>4857198
>using my art as the op
thanks bro, heres some more if you want

>>4860114
draw sminem

>>4860116
>sminem
ight, gimmie a bit

>>4860011
REIFAG????

>>4860120
absolute madman

>>4860116
>>4860120
i cant fucking find my tablet pen

>>4860099
Checked, I've been drawing non stop for days, don't even play vidya, for like days, I'm learning ,isn't photoshop like super in depth tho I want more tools at my whatever

>>4858097
I absolutely love it. I wouldn't consider it good, but I would totally read a comic with this art style.

Its absurd, but well done

>>4858097
thats fucking loomis

>>4860127
It's a crop from fun with a pencil, idiot.

>>4860088
blog?

>>4859923

>>4860126
You're on the right path then, and I really dig your drawing. Keep doing what you're doing and let photoshop come into the picture naturally down the road - it's a whole world on its own that will distract you from just drawing (and honestly a simple brush / eraser are 99% of what you'll use no matter how deep you get).

>>4860116
cant remember the last time i had to draw on paper desu

>>4860123
Nah, this is one of my first posts here

>>4860136
No blog lad, I only really shitpost on 4chan.

>>4860092
Any tip on which one I should focus on right now?

>>4860147
haha, nice

>>4860139
thank you so much thats really helpful :)

>>4860108
I'm at the end of the steve huston book right now, do you think I should advance to a more complex book (like bridgman's) or focus on another fundamental?

guys i havent had time to work on DAB all week im a uni student am i NGMI???

>>4860156
Focus on all fundamentals... forever. Start with fundamental perspective and hammer it home for 6 months so you don't have to come back to it all the time. At the end you can be drawing at least characters in perspective instead of straight on, and you'll feel like you've improved leaps and bounds.

>>4860161
You got it! Even as rough as it is I really like this drawing, keep it up!

this thread is really just insecure anons that have virtually all the tools available to them, but just want reassurance constantly.

>>4860180
Can you find 1 hour a day to really practice? No distractions, no games, no bullshit? 45min?

If you practice 45min a day, working on real learning (not trying to draw waifus and shit), 7 days a week, and as often as you can find the time otherwise, you'll be practicing a LOT more than most, and you'll come out of uni ready to tear it the fuck up with all your free time.

If you CAN'T maintain a consistent 45mins (or however much) a day, then the question of time is irrelevant and Uni is just your excuse.

Rate my sphere. Done in Procreate. Learning shading and lighting.

>>4860248
>>4860248
Looks great, good to see you're working on something that matters, but DON'T FORGET YOUR CORE SHADOW!

Core shadow is the spot with the least direct light, and the least reflected light. You can visualize it as the "edge" of the shadow and it's the most important part, because how dark / how soft you make it tells the viewers eye everything about the light on the object.

Also... don't forget occlusion, it's the tight pinch between an object (sphere) and another object (table) that are touching - its the spot where a light ray is least likely to bounce and end up (notice I darkened right under the sphere).

>>4860248

Re-comment since I fucked up and forgot the image.

Looks great, good to see you're working on something that matters, but DON'T FORGET YOUR CORE SHADOW!

Core shadow is the spot with the least direct light, and the least reflected light. You can visualize it as the "edge" of the shadow and it's the most important part, because how dark / how soft you make it tells the viewers eye everything about the light on the object.

Also... don't forget occlusion, it's the tight pinch between an object (sphere) and another object (table) that are touching - its the spot where a light ray is least likely to bounce and end up (notice I darkened right under the sphere).

>>4858135
Nice!

>>4860248
light source would only reflect as a ball for a limited number of reasons. Keep the white spot generally blended and also remember that there is a lot more white light than you think on a sphere, added with a lot more varrying shades. Also reflections from the surface dont reflect the way you did it in your photo.

>>4860114
I would love to see how it looks when animated

>>4859989
Mouth looks weird

>>4860267
Thank you for the critique! I really want to do more than just black and white line drawings, and shading is how I'll get there.

>>4860288
My man.

Any advice? I'm still getting used to clip paint

>>4860317
why did you make it a gook?

>>4860321
diversity quota

>>4858535
Are you me? That setup is fine, albeit a bit annoying at times because the tablet is so tiny.

>>4858753
>>4858752
>>4858750
>>4858748
>>4858747
>>4858746
>>4858744
I quite like these. The colors aren't very well defined but they're positively oozing soul. Please keep painting anon.

>>4860332
The mini-cushion for your left hand helps a bit and a random pencil/pen between the keyboard and tablet prevents it from sliding anti-cw. The more your tablet is centered and straight respective to your monitor, the better.

>>4860356
Thanks for the advice! I'll fix that up.

Im checking on the solutions of others when it comes to keys to drawing, and theirs are so much better
HELP, what should I do about this?

>>4860396
I failed at the lion
look at what they did
do i have to start all over again? until i do it perfectly, do i lack talent?

>>4860403
First things first your goal at this stage shouldn’t be perfection. Perfection slows you down tremendously so focus on learning fundamentals and drawing things efficiently before trying to be perfect. From what I’m looking at you need to work on your basic forms and lion anatomy a ton. These drawings are flat and indicate little knowledge about how a lion actually looks vs how you think it looks

>>4860196
you're right anon, and this post really motivated me. i did another page of homework for DAB and now my motivation is regained. i will continue!!

>>4860410
These are not mine, my lion is a piece of trash yet others are better than me

>>4860415
Where is yours?

>>4860417
On a past thread, dont see it, its grotesuqe like all I do
Why is their stuff so much better than mine? I've done ehat I can on keys to drawing, but its not enough is it? Is it talent?

>>4860403
Best advice - don't do the face until you have the body and form blocked and semi-polished. Beginners race to the fun bits, and then lose interest or lose focus because it feels "done".

Stop focusing on details and texture. Get the form established. You shouldn't be drawing the face or the fur, when you don't have the whole body even semi-established.

Rough to detail. It's a process. Establish the overall form, then bring the detail level, texture, and everything else up as a whole, evenly across the figure. Learn to see and draw the contour, the white space, establish where the figure lives in the white space of the page, then drill down into finer passes of detail and focus.

Make sense? Common mistake - don't feel bad. Go back and try again, and look at the overall shape, and capture that. Facial features, fur, all that? That can come later. Block shapes, for now. Draw a block shape that someone will look at, and say "That's a lion".

>>4860419
Keys to drawing from what I remember is more pure life drawing but it won’t tell you everything you need to know. If you want to draw proper lions learn basic shapes and apply them to the animal to show depth in the drawing, learn perspective, and learn the anatomy of the animal such as the skull and muscles

Anyone know how to get yhe texture like this?

>>4860422
thats not me Hahahahahahahh thats not me anon
>>4860426
Its not abiut the lion
Its about me failing over and over at getting keys to drawing, i felt better doing loomis yesterday but i failed at keys again today
Why do i fail?
Tomorrow ill post all the projects ive done , the ones in keys and then ill also post what others have done

>>4860436
>>4860419
Every artist goes through the "fuck... I suck" stage. I am years in and I still feel that way sometimes.

Talent isn't real.

All the artists you admire are the ones that felt like they sucked, and didn't give up like a butt-fucking quitter.

Here's a tip: you haven't done what you can on that book or any book. Good art books will follow you for life and you'll take from them over and over. This is your first time with that book. Every time you come back you'll have a new approach, something new to learn. Study something else for a while.

>>4860428
Yeah print on a 4 color process with poor registration OR....

Look up how to shift your color channels in pshop. Find a tutorial for "chromatic abberration effect" and abuse it.

does anyone else get sick of drawing cute girls?? after awhile it drains me so much because it feels like it has no purpose or personality. Anyways i felt burnt out and decided to practice linework with a couple xenomorphs. how do people get those crisp skinny lines with no shake or wobble while using a tablet? i can do it fine traditionally but cant on krita :/

>>4860454
I draw maybe 4-5 girls every month, the rest is all cute guys

>>4860440
I did this using Loomis yesterday, its not perfect or good but i guess its decent right? I hate keys to drawing, it makes me feel inferior when I see what others are doing, its not fair anon

>>4858135
look up shoulders and collar bone structure.

>>4860440
And theres this, I found some blogs and they werr your classic artist journey archive stuff but their forst time with keys is way better than my own, why?

Any guides on how to color like this? I am so confused when I do shading and coloring.

>>4860454
You gotta draw until It doesn't feel weird anymore, Use your tablet more frequently and do warm ups before drawing.

>>4860466
Because they've drawn more than you! Your momma ain't gonna heat up your art skills in the microwave and bring them to your room.

Stop being entitled and get back to work, if art was easy everyone would do it.

>>4860477
What did you say? DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME? ITS THEIR FUCKING FIRST TIME THEIR FIRST TRY
WHY IS IT BETTER?

>>4860468
Stop looking for "guides" and learn the hard way.

Also j/k learn the easy way look up KNKL he has some really great tuts on a similar style of coloring.

Also it's still gonna be hard.

>>4860478

Think...

Think...

They drew something else first, my man. And something before that. It's their first try at THAT BOOK.

>>4860479
Thanks brah. Looking at his youtube now.

>>4860483
You're about to have the best time, his shit is fun and good.

>>4860480
Thats bullshit, that book is their first, ill check the blogs tomorrow

>>4860489
Yes nobody ever drew before their first book.

Maybe it’s obvious (just focus on one), but my question is: there’s so many goddamn beginner art courses and video courses and tutorials, is it good to pick and choose from a bunch of places, or should I choose one method/book/course, and finish it all the way through, and do another afterward? Basically, there’s three different avenues I can take right now, and they all look good for different reasons. Specifically, I’m taking a Udemy beginner digital painting course, I downloaded the Keys to Drawing, and I also started Fun with a Pencil just to start actually drawing instead of watching YouTube tutorials and advice videos constantly.

Is older than 30 too late to get good at drawing? I would love to eventually draw my own comics and maybe get to a point where I could make some money on the side with commissions. I'm currently following various courses on Udemy and have several drawing books. I want to work more on my fundamentals, anatomy and things like perspective and character design in general.

>>4860524
its never too late anon, it wont take you too long at all to learn if you stick really hard to the fundamentals. As someone who never stopped drawing since i was a little kid, I wasted most of that time not even knowing what fundamentals were. you have the upper hand

>>4860524
30’s should still be a reasonable age to make it, given you have time to practice. know you can never get all those previous years back, but it’s not too late to keep your mind and skills sharp in addition to there never being a better time to correct course than the present moment.

>>4860524
people have become master artists after starting in their 50's, anon. You lose some of the benefits of neuroplasticity, but that just means you need to work a little bit more in the very beginning to really get 3D space.

>>4860519
Yeah that’s how I did it. Just slowly work on one thing, like figure drawing and then chip away at it. Once you hit a plateau and feel like you’re not getting anywhere, move on and try something different like painting or perspective. Or maybe you’ll realize that your knowledge in another area is limiting your progress in whatever you’re currently studying.

Haven't drawin in like 3 weeks. Did a head of a dino after watching Scott Flanders' Lightbox demo

>>4857198
Want to go through scott robertson's how to draw book.Do I need all the elipse guides and other stuff or will a ruler suffice?

New thread
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>>4860317
Not bad, decent rendering, but the colors and shading are off, when you're done with a study always compare your color palette with the refrence. And looks to me like you added a bit of heft to the lil' feller.
Also why's he looking at me with such contempt.

>>4860524
nope, 20, 30s, even 40s and up is never too late to get good at drawing. Some people just start earlier than others.

Hello everyone. I'm 29 and I will start learning to draw. I hope you will all attack my work and motivate me to not be a failure.

newbie here, tying to learn figure drawing and anatomy.

So yeah