/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4851461
I dont know but you take the same approach i do. Everything i do from my art account i keep very brief and professional. Maybe people think i come off as cold but whatever. I can live off my art so its worked for me i guess but i can see if i were a big personality online my popularity couldve gone further but i wont take that risk opening myself up to the drama and bullshit of social media

I've recently decided to do this, not because of someone possibly cancelling me but because I find most western internet artists insufferable. Too many dumb memes and political stuff. I just want to post art and leave it at that.

>>4851461
Its easy to still talk and interact without joining in on any drama or political shit. You cant network without interaction. Just have some self control and don't talk about your views or whatever.

>>4853838
same bro, most people are not worth talking to, specially the kind who only wants to approach because you're a good artist, unless, of course, if they're willing to pay for your works

>>4851461
I say post your art, and nothing else. Maybe retweet other artists works, follow up with art related trends, and keep your friend circle to a minimum. That way, you'll at least stay relevant without having to deal with pesky drama.

>>4853861
Like this anon said, all you need to be is a good artist

>>4853838
I've never had much of an online presence, recently I started using a social media platform merely as an archive that's accessible on a platform widely used and I can point people to it if they are interested in my work but I don't have anything to show with me.

I prefer sharing my work and talking about it in real life, I get a lot more energy talking about it with the people I meet at figure drawing classes and people seem way more impressed by a physical drawing or painting compared to a drawing on a computer screen.

>>4853852
You guys just can’t hold it in can you

>>4851461
I did this recently. I had a decently big account and decided to delete it because being on it made me stressed as all hell, there was constant drama in my feed from other artists I felt pressure to follow back and they would try to interact with me and drag me in to that drama.
I remade and haven’t followed anyone and just post art and nothing else. I have a few hundred followers already. I haven’t even told my artist friends about the account and I don’t think I will because I just want it to be totally devoid of any human interaction so I don’t have to worry about drama or anything popping up in the future. Feels much better. I reckon it won’t take me that long to regain what I lost on my old account, in the long run it’s the better option.

>be a porn artist
>follow mostly porn artists
>almost all of them are asians or thirdies and don't give a shit about anglo politics and muh progressivism

>>4853852
>don't talk about your views or whatever.
I get politics. Politics are fucking retarded but, i can't and won't walk around eggshells for my own sanity.
If somewhere where to ask me something and i would happen to disagree, i'd be honest about it because fuck your feelings, grow a thicker skin.

Instagram is ideal for that attitude. You can just look at the art and ignore captions. Even Pixiv is a better alternative
If you hate interacting with other people, I'm not sure why you'd join Twitter or FB because those are microblogging sites which encourage people to type text and not just art.
You don't have to post on every social media site, either, but if you want to make a living from art, you will need some bit of social interaction and even customer service skills to get customers and even repeat customers
If you really never want to talk to anyone ever again, don't use social media at all, don't post your work, and keep your art to yourself

>>4851461
The problem with not being outright with your opinions is that you gain a wider array of followers with all sorts of different beliefs.

You'll grow quicker but as you said, you're walking on eggshells.

>>4851461
Yes, I've tried this.
It used to be easier. Tumblr was a good platform to be silent on. You could tag your work and it would reach people. The newsfeed was sorted chronologically, so your content had the same shot as everyone else's.
Twitter is different. People who are constantly blathering, doing text posts, etc. are favored by the algorithm, and their posts will reach more people than yours. Being silent limits the frequency of your posts and puts you at a disadvantage.
Unfortunately, it's now the main art platform. You can try posting to pixiv/newgrounds/whatever where silence is expected, but the audience there is smaller, and you'd have a hard time advertising commissions or merch.
In other words, twitter a shit, it's difficult to be a silent artist now.

>>4856844
Hi, >>4856248 here
It’s definitely more challenging and chatty accounts do get more attention so you’re right, but it’s not impossible. I have tried this out by making a few accounts, if you draw the right things and tag appropriately (1 tag is ideal, if you can be that selective, the algorithm tends to favor 1 tag the most) you will do fine. Every time, I always got followers. Even on my older account I deleted which had thousands of followers, I rarely spoke. On my new one I don’t follow anyone, have never liked anything, have never posted anything that wasn’t an art post. I don’t think my art is particularly good or special, I don’t draw NSFW, I just take advantage of things people are actively searching for and want to retweet. My first few pics didn’t gain any traction, it took about 5-10 attempts before suddenly I was getting 1k+ likes. I have a few hundred followers now in a very short span of time and once you have a small audience like that it’s easy to get the ball rolling after the initial slump. I know it feels hard but I just felt like it would be some helpful advice if you’re struggling. Hope it helps.

>>4857452
I really don't understand why the silent artist archetype is just gone now.
back when i used to hang around art platforms, i didnt post shit. just followed artists. if they wanted to post some text stuff, it wouldnt involve political takes or some dumb shit that everyone else does. it would simply be about their ordinary lives and their ordinary days, and it was god damm amazing.
you had these extremely elaborately designed pieces of art and this insane talent and the artists were just super humble and would be happy to have small chats here and there, and they would just talk about the things they did irl, shit like going on trips, observations in people and talking about their hobbies and interests.

except now its just about being vain as much as possible and attenwhoring as much as you possibly can. sure, they might get more clicks or commissions, but in many ways, their art suffered. and most of those kinds of people used to be the types that would have been happier spending time polishing their work instead of pursuing overtly clean and simple art.

if you were to print any of their shit out on a wall, it would look like some deranged lunatics asylum art or vent piece. none of the shit would hang around irl for long because it just looked stressful to stare at.
nobody knows how to make calm, rational or relaxing work these days. its all manic or erratic underneath. its really unnerving.

>>4858022
I think a large reason, or maybe the whole reason, is that the concept of logging off doesn’t exist anymore. Can you remember the last time you logged off of a website?
I know what you’re talking about because I experienced it similarly, even on a platform like deviantart artists didn’t talk much aside from the occasional journal. That’s because you logged in to post, maybe browse some art a little and then logged out. Nowadays I can’t stand to follow artists that speak English because at least if I don’t understand the language I kind of ignore all the shit they’re saying and still enjoy the art. It’s sad because I used to love following artists but then I end up disliking them because they never stop talking about their awful opinions and act incredibly fake either being mean or nice for the sake of their image and they don’t understand that no one cares, we are here for their art and that’s all.
The fact we are encouraged to spend all of our free time on social media is a reason why social media took off as big as it has (I mean jeez, the algorithm deliberately tries to cause people to fight or get angry on posts on purpose because they realised people spend more time on a site if they want to argue over something) and why we have no art site hubs anymore... we need to bring back the idea of logging off to be honest.

>>4858022
it feels like these social medias just encourages you to talk about the most retarded shit.
and then they make you look at shit that makes you angry so you can stay on the platform longer.
i can't really blame the people anymore, i just blame the social media fuckers that created this system that allows and rewards people to be retarded.
>>4858408
>I think a large reason, or maybe the whole reason, is that the concept of logging off doesn’t exist anymore
i never fucking thought it that way. i just thought it was the algorithm's fault for just keeping people on, but god you're right.
it never really crosses my mind to log off a site like youtube or instagram. plus, you never get to a point where you tap out and go "alright, i've had enough of this for today"
>we need to bring back the idea of logging off to be honest.
how do we do that? i feel as though most people just tune in on and off the sites throughout the day
maybe you can log people off if they haven't been active for a couple for minutes or hours

>>4856287
That's why you keep interactions short and sweet. They bring up stuff that could go down the path of a screenshots getting passed around even privately talking about what a "problematic person you are", change the subject. Networking is all about keeping your autism in check long enough to get on someone's good side and get a contact.

Think of it in a way that you only discuss inflammatory topics with people you know for a fact are friends.

>>4858814
Oh yeah, I’ve thought this for a while now because suddenly I realised that I couldn’t remember the last time that I logged out of a website. Where as 10 years ago, you logged out when you were done on the computer and turned the computer off. Smartphones don’t turn off, they just become idle.
Nowadays everyone is connected to the internet 24/7 and I really whole heartedly believe it’s made our entire species crazier and had a severely negative impact on how we interact. If you compare the cultural climate of today to 10-15 years ago, there was much less hostility. Even online fighting wasn’t extremely common, it existed of course but it wasn’t the norm. Now you browse anywhere for 2 minutes and it’s just there. It’s leaked in to real life too and I really do think everyone is so overloaded on a constant stream of information, whether that’s world news or just the 500 people you follow in your feed that you’ll never even meet who talk endlessly about random information you don’t need to know. Humans just weren’t built for this, it’s not healthy for us and the knock on effects of this are obvious when you look at how communications have pretty much broken down in the social sphere of humanity.

Unfortunately most people do just tune in and out of sites and they don’t understand how connected they are to the information stream and how bad it is.
I don’t know if there’s a good solution, this all started with smartphones and let’s be real I don’t think it’s possible to get people to give up their smartphones at this point. I think the only thing we can do is acknowledge that actually, this is very unhealthy and we need to start encouraging people to log out and get offline like before. We need breaks. Personally I’ve already decided to have a computer room like I had when I was a kid whenever I get a bigger place and avoid using the internet outside of maybe watching movies and listening to music outside of that space.

>>4851461
/pol/tard problem

>>4858836
personally, i'm a bit hopeful for the future
i often hear people just cleaning their entire twitter feed or just log off from the site as a whole
sadly, i think these people are a minority, and they're going to take a break from twitter, but you're starting to see people trying to detox themselves from social media.
it's small, but at least the movement is out there.
idk how you can get the people who scream on twitter or reddit 24/7 off the site but like i said in my previous post, i think making these sites log people off after a few hours might help people out

i kinda miss the wild wild web, where everyone was anonymous. now it's expected you give out your full name, face and phone number to these big corporations

>>4858829
Don't get me wrong, Anon-kun, you're completely right, but I'd rather fucking die than submit my soul to the dogma.

>>4859030
My question is what is this hypothetical eggshell scenario you're talking about? People just vibe on twitter.
I mean if you "hate niggers and trannies" or w/e then mb you should reflect on yourself.

>>4859092
Honestly could be just anything nowadays.
Just say the wrong word or the wrong opinion and you're the bad guy.
Don't say anything and you're the bad guy.
Make a typo and you're literally Hitler.
Can't even fuck around anymore, everything is serious business, only positivity allowed and all that fucking shallow shit.
Too many naive and autistic people around.

>>4859257
You are seriously overreacting, maybe because you've been here too long. If you want trouble on Twitter, you really have to look for it because those are really fringe situations you're afraid of. Other anon is right that people just use the platform to goof off on and thats it

>>4859288
Of course people aren't going to react with their public profiles like they do here, but that doesn't mean they don't react and don't start acting accordingly to their own beliefs at all.

>>4859257
>>4859030
I have a couple of NEETs on my server that think just like this.

ITT: cancel culture is very real and very serious business

It's less about politics and more about dubious personal connections. If you get close to someone whole having an art handle, they have the of power of blackmail over you. Ex friends and ex gfs who know intimate details about your personal life, what's stopping them from going after you if they feel like it?

Just stay as far away from politics as possible when you have a sizable following. Even saying something reasonable like that it's okay to have friends with different political opinions will cause a shitstorm like it did for the bike cuck guy.

>>4859438
Yeah, because pulling out of society is the only reasonable thing to do. Why would you want to contribute to any systems that despises you for being a human bean?

>>4856248
theres a new feature on twitter where you decide who can reply to your tweets and you can set it to no one . i think it will be useful for you

>>4860117
I wish I was blessed with autismbux but sadly, that isn't the case.

>>4860157
In my case, i wish i was blessed with eternal sleep but sadly, god won't let me.
I am tired.

>>4859257
here is one thing that bothers me;

if you feel like dicking around and being a dumbass these days, you can so much ridiculous flack. and im talking about the "kill all x/i hate x/did nothing wrong" kind of shit.

im literally just talking about acting like an absolute dumbass for the fun of it. everybody lately takes it way too seriously and seems to think youre always out for blood.
you can get recorded at the wrong moment at the wrong time or taken out of context if just one person out of millions doesn't marginally like you.
you just get paranoid dicking about having fun because it just feels like somebody is constantly looking over your shoulder no matter where you are, and the fact that everyone has some kind of recording device makes it worse.

i dont have any idea why people higher up thought that throwing this kind of spanner into public life was in anyway a good idea. even teenagers now look god damm miserable and most of them havent even reached the beginnings of adulthood yet.

>>4859257
here is one thing that bothers me;

if you feel like you want to dick around anybody and feel like you could have some fun being a dumbass these days, you can so much ridiculous flack for anything you do. and im not talking about the "kill all x/i hate x/did nothing wrong" kind of "fun" that dumbasses link humour to;

im literally just talking about acting like an absolute dumbass for the fun of it. everybody lately takes life way too seriously now and always seem to think anyone having just some little bit of fun is always out for blood, or for them.
worse yet, you can get recorded at the wrong moment at the wrong time or taken out of context if just one person out of millions doesn't marginally like you. and there is nothing you can do about it.
you just get paranoid dicking about having fun because it just feels like somebody is constantly looking over your shoulder no matter where you are, and the fact that everyone has some kind of recording device makes it worse.

i dont have any idea why people higher up thought that throwing this kind of spanner into public life was in anyway a good idea. even teenagers now look god damm miserable and most of them havent even reached the beginnings of adulthood yet.

>>4860885
This is exactly what i'm talking about.
Everyone's is insecure, hysteric, miserable and you'd wish they'd try to be reasonable and check for any context at all.
The best example i can remember is when the Elon Musk shitstorm happened when he posted an artwork of 2b by some literal who and people started spamming to credit the artist; to which he simply replied; "no".
All hell brooke loose.
Every fucking retard just trying to get relevant by parrotting the same inane shit like everyone else.
The artist trying to get relevant by shitting on the guy.
Even in this shithole you can't be obviously retarded for laughs anymore.
Everyone just takes you literally all the fucking time.
Everyone just tries their hardest at armchair psychologist,
Art is truly fucking dead and giving internet access to normies was a fucking mistake.

>>4861066
He really should've credited the artist though. That's rude af. Being namedropped by someone like that could change somebody's life.

>>4861896
No.

>>4861896
Do people not know about reverse image search?

Also, when vaporwave got big Rhianna legit just lifted vaporize graphics off of people from the internet without permission and nobody gave a fuck even though them getting credit could have been insanely good for them and it was legitimately stealing shit for commercial use without permission. Elon posting an artists picture on Twitter and not shouting them out is way less egregious.

>>4862736
>lifted vaporwave* graphics
Sorry I'm a dirty dirty phoneposter

>>4862736
>Do people not know about reverse image search?
A lot don't know, but it's more that most people are too lazy. It's an extra step that deters many people, especially when they're just scrolling down a feed. Throwing an @ at the artist would provide insane traffic to their profile because it takes much less effort than reverse searching and trying to find the relevant link.

>>4862736
Yeah, but what people don't get is that the artist had the full right to take credit for the picture but she choose to start drama instead for relevance.
People gotta stop waiting for others to acknowledge them.

>>4860885
I do get that feeling too. Just recently I was dming a mutual and caught flak for accidentally misgendering a third person. This was a mutual I knew for 4 years. Like it's a completely different game out there. I think making art friends especially on twitter is a mistake, because the algorithm promotes the most vapid people, and if they're not, they'll succumb to the same social media insanity if they aren't smart about it. Make your friends elsewhere, and if you need to network keep it casual.

>>4859288
i got bad news for you anon.
sometimes people befriend you out of crablike spite just to intentionally tear you down if you are a better artist then them.
i know someone who is doing this to an artist theyre friends with currently because the artist is better than him and shit he found out he had done in his personal life "makes him a bad person and justifies taking action".

I think you’ll could strike a balance between silent and personable if you mostly stick to retweeting and posting images. A lot of Japanese artists seem to do this (albeit going overboard sometimes). From time to time share a picture of your pet or something good you ate or retweet an innocuous article. Keep text minimal. “Fluffy was really cute today”, “Green tea ice cream is good”, “this article abut Peruvian llamas was interesting I wonder if it’s true”. Food and animals are pretty safe bets.

>>4863217
real schizo posting going on rn
>i know someone who is doing this to an artist theyre friends
sounds like you're the problem here associating with sociopaths

>>4864487
>owning animals as pets is cruel!
>why are you eating dairy you have to be vegan and eat bugs!
>people are suffering in Peru and you're concerned about llamas?
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>4864550
>“My cat has health problems and needs to be looked after or she will die”
>”I never said the ice cream was dairy based”
>”Really? People are suffering in Peru? Can you send a link? I never heard of that”

>>4861066
>The artist trying to get relevant by shitting on the guy.
Was it even the artist in the first place that said something to Musk?

I actually have a pretty political twitter account but I never get bothered because my politics are too obscure for mainstream normies to have heard of it. It’s hard for people to argue with you when they have never heard of your political opinions to begin with. So if you’re an edgy contrarian twit this unironically might be an approach to take. Examples:
>communalism
>distributism (I hate these guys)
>georgism and geoism and geolibertarianism
>sortition
>anarcho primitivism
>anarcho syndicalism
>anything to do with real estate politics
>zoning twitter
>having strong opinions about trains, parking minimums and congestion pricing

No one will want to talk to you for being crazy and or stupid or just too stuck up to have more normative opinions.

>>4862736
>hey, someone else did a shitty thing back then too!
Two wrongs don't make one right

>>4861066
>Elon Musk
Yeah man, the guy at the head of a company that builds cars that will have DLC like features and features that get deactivated on a whim because muh media outrage, is totally not a scumbag

Besides, Musk is known to not give a shit about other people's stuff. Who remembers the unicorn drama? Here's a dailymail link because I couldn't find another one promptly.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5897919/Elon-Musk-accused-stealing-artists-farting-unicorn-design.html

>inb4 "lmao that's what people mald over?"

>>4864572
No.
She obviously hopped on the train once she saw that people were tweeting against the guy and in support of her and she tried to play the victim card.
Currently sitting at 10k and still putting her 2b picture everywhere.
Should have played it differently and maybe she could've gotten elon's followers to follow her.
>>4864589
>hurr durr but the sperg known as elon
Not the point, autismo.
The guy does things on purpose to get reactions and keep him in the newscycle.
The reactions he gets mostly proves the points he's trying to make.
It's not fucking rocket science.
Go back, pleb.

Dont know why /pol/ gets such a bad rap. Its a board of peace and is always right.

Man, this thread really gets to me. Lately I've been thinking a lot about this. In my case, I don't really care about retarded anglos acting out their IQ, but it's more that I really despise social media, but the very few people I know pressure me into using it and I can see how in many cases it does wear down on relationships.
I know using social media to please people is retarded. And don't get me wrong, I won't do that. I just both want to not generate too much friction with people and post the stuff I do just because it seems like otherwise my existence will be rendered null.

It's good to know in certain ways it's somewhat a thing that one could do to just not talk. I've actually been enjoying posting stuff sparingly with one or two word descriptions. And it feels reassuring to see there's some more people out there in a similar spot. Best luck for you anons.
Besides, socializing with the kind of people that invest a lot of time in the cancer that social media has become seems as wise as willfully infusing arsenic into your water dispenser.

I just gonna fucking SIMP to some bitches until they notice me

>>4867660
Then what?

Followers number up and monkey brain goes brrr brrr

>>4867695 i suppose to reply to this brr brr
>>4867663

>>4864566
Do you think this is owning them? You think this isn't an endless pit?

>>4856287
There is no way in hell I'd associate my art with liking Hitler so I will never talk about politics.

>>4867964
>being this scared of normies
Just draw Hitler being all kawaii n shit
As long as they don't pay you, retards ought to shut the fuck up
Do what you want.
But you're still retarded if you bought into the whole politics thing though

>>4859092
>I mean if you "hate niggers and trannies" or w/e then mb you should reflect on yourself.
nice meme.
anybody got screencaps from when the japanese tutorial dude had a breakdown because whackjobs kept harassing him?
he should have reflected before suggesting such extreme things as drawing from the shoulder instead of the wrist i guess.

how does shadman do it, bros

>>4868827
just draw, draw so much that you can't be cancelled, draw and then host your own platform and own it, then draw some more

>>4868874
I don't want to end up becoming so deranged to start trying to turn myself into a woman though.