/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

First for the Intuos Draw.

>>4858581
Is it still impossible to pre order an S7+?

>>4858582
Intuos draw is trash

>>4858581
Which cheap wacom screenless tablet are supported with android?

>>4858592
None of them.

>>4858585
No. You're too late.

>>4858592
Bamboo

Why is the S7+ in such high demand anyway? I thought people generally didn't like Android tablets?

>>4858592
CTL 4100 and CTL 6100 are the only compatible ones.

>>4858581

>>4858589
Did professionals actually work with these?

>>4858606
Because CSP was released for Galaxy and Samsung uses wacom EMR which means working with actual pressure sensitivity instead of a capacitive stylus or shit-ass apple pencil

>>4858581
>Tablet
>Art
Let me tell you about real pieces of paper and graphite

>>4858614
The apple pencil is objectively better than the Galaxy Pen. Any professional will tell you that.

>>4858613
I'm still working with my good ol bamboo tablet

>>4858615
>Let me tell you about real pieces of paper and graphite
This can be emulated with software like Corelpainter and Paintstorm you old piece of shit.

>>4858616
>OH NO! Someone has an opinion I dont like! They insulted apple senpai's stylus! I must correct the incorrect opinions! There can be no opinion but my own!

>>4858621
Show me 1 (one) example of s7's pen beating apple pencil in performance

>>4858616
lol, 3rd worlders will take any opportunity to insult Apple.

Wait for initial sales to die down, Samsung products always drop in price. It's the same with their buds, and smartphones

In the meantime grab a fucking pencil and go draw.

>>4858613
With bigger versions, sure.

>wacom cintiq 16 has been sold out for awhile on their official website store
>they no longer sell it on their ebay store
>they no longer sell it on their amazon store
something’s going on with the cintiq 16.
i bet it’s their next discontinued model.

Just bought cintiq 16, is it normal for a pen to make disgusting SCREEECH sound when I drag it across the screen?

fuck corona, ship my tablet already it's been weeks

I've done some testing with the pressure curve for my XP Pen Deco Pro medium and while it goes from 0 to 8k pressure smoothly, it tends to skip at the end from 8k downward. Is it my pen stylus that's messed up? Everything else work fine.

anyone here have an innovator 16?
are you experiencing tapering or pressure sensitivity issues?

>>4858581
>/pol schizo

>>4858915
Tuning screw and pressure curve

>>4858589
Yeah I remember dumping one of these for a huion. It was such a piece of fucking shit you can't imagine,

>>4858808
Wacom One seems to be their top selling display.
A 16" version with gimped hardware could be in the works.

>>4859070
I had to return my Wacom One after taking a recommendation here. I had an Intuous 3 for a number of years and when it finally croaked I went for the One on Amazon. Drivers were weird? Had pressure jumps that would be fixed in one second and a problem the next, weird wobble I didn't enjoy for that size tablet, and it was just too small.

Tried the XP15pro and I think ill be keeping it. The only program I can't get it to work with is Sai for some reason. But Sai is for coloring so its not even a problem.


Just buy whatever tablet is in your budget on Amazon and return them until one works. There's so much time wasted screaming chink and Schizo that none of you are actually drawing.

>>4859170
>he only program I can't get it to work with is Sai for some reason.
There you go pal.

Switch to wintab and restart Sai. BOOM it works.
Alternatively you can enable windows ink in the tablet drivers and in SAI, but it's not as good as the old wintab.

At least according to Krita devs it isn't.

Real shit though, is it upgrading to a screen tablet really worth it?
I heard apparently the pros are using it because it gives them extra space, it can speed up their workflow, etc. But i fail to see why I can't just get a second monitor or some shit if it's just that

>>4859170
>Had pressure jumps that would be fixed in one second and a problem the next, weird wobble

Oh so it works with the bamboo pen and not the intuos pen? the plot thickens!

>>4858808
>>4859070
Wacom must figured out that Cintiq was compatible with the Art Pen and wasn't bad enough for the 600$ price tag. That's a big fuck up on their part. If they accidentally make something good nobody's gonna buy the 3000$.

You can't have nice things goy.

God i hope the chinks kill them.

>>4858581
HUAWEI MatePad Pro
>no walled garden
>Drag-and-drop from mobile to tablet
>M-pencil, just as good as Apple pencil
>Smallest bezels on a tablet
>6GB RAM
>Inbuilt memory of 128GB
>Support for micro SDcard.
Why not?

>>4859214
I've seen review, the pen performs really poorly, has massive wobble.
Also it's fucking small and the bezels are good to rest your hand on, did you notice cintiq Pro had immense bezels that's for a reason?

So far it seems to be inferior to S6

>>4859214
>no google appstore
Instantly went to the trash

>>4859170
>Drivers were weird? Had pressure jumps that would be fixed in one second and a problem the next, weird wobble I didn't enjoy for that size tablet, and it was just too small.
Did you find the non-laminated screen to be a big issue for drawing and why was 13" too small?

>>4859182
screen tablets give you a THIRD monitor

>>4859181
Thank you, Anon, I reinstalled the drivers and every program is responding beautifully.
>>4859305
No, it didn't bother me personally. Paralax hasn't been an issue with recent tablets so now the texture is the only thing and I'm not an autist so I have no issues with it.
I'm smaller in stature so I figured I don't need something to take up too much space. The 13" isn't unuseable, it's just cramped and like I said, the wobble on a tablet that size is much more noticeable to me. The XP has very very little wobble but it could be a lot worse. I don't usuelly draw slow enough for it to matter. The larger size also lets me sit back instead of feeling super tempted to hunch over it.

Hope that helps.

>>4858915
Literally all chinkshit tablets have this. It's your fault for buying that crap.

>>4859454
Mine doesnt

should i trade in my ipad air for a galaxy tab

>>4859471
>air
Probably yes,

>>4859459
>thinking screen caps of random strokes mean anything
That's why you're an idiotic shill.

>>4859471
>air
Should never have bought that crap

>>4859509
I posted the video nigger, and you screeched and sperged out about it.

Stay BTFO.

>>4859459
Are you joking?
It's less pronounced but it's clearly there, at the end of the strokes there is a little bump.

>>4859513
i got the air 3 used and it's pretty alright

>>4859518
Well nothing is perfect but this is a big difference between condom tips and a little bump on huge fat lines.
Using a little stabilizer would refine it out completely, i'm using the absolute minimum right now specifically to demonstrate the performance you get.

>>4859532
If does that with a regular brush with almost no stabilizer then it's ok.

Even my Intuos pro when I use big brushes with no stabilizers sometimes does it. it could be the spring of the pen.

Any discounts on the Wacom Cintiq 22? It went for $1000 last year but I already got memed into buying the 16, but now it's proving small

>>4859454
>>4858611

Is the tab s6 Lite a stand alone device? Like no need to plug into any computer like cintiqs? Also can you use software like csp and sai on it? Definitely considering this as my next tablet so can anyone convince me to buy this?

The only thing im worried about is that it's going to have that slippery glass-like feel like it feels like when I draw on my phone etc..

>>4859921
Yes. Yes. Yes to CSP no to Sai.

>>4859921
>that slippery glass-like feel
yes, it is actual fucking glass, what do you think

>>4859921
>The only thing im worried about is that it's going to have that slippery glass-like feel like it feels like when I draw on my phone etc
It's alright. I don't like samsung pens in general if you ask me, but one thing that they did right and i really like about it is their pen comes standard with rubber nibs precisely to counter that

>>4859935
Can you still use the trial version of csp, or do you need to purchase it to use on the tablet?

>>4860012
yeah thats why I might actually get the ipad instead cause it comes with the paper matte screen thing.. But Idk the samsung one seems pretty lit as well.. Fuck cintiqs and wacoms at this point all I want is a stand alone tablet that works well, can produce quality art, and last me many years down the road.

just did an online search, and the galaxy note s7 is coming out in 7 days I guess I'll wait and see how that is first then since it's so close to coming out.

Are there worthy advantages to getting a pricy wacom intuos over literally any random screenless tablet ? (I already own a wacom bamboo but I'm just curious)

>>4860132
Galaxy device users get a 6 month free trial of CSP right now, after that its a monthly subscription but its cheap and worth it.

>>4860132
>paper matte screen
You can buy paperlike screen protectors for other devices, you know. They're alright but they make things look grainy when you zoom out, and they eat through nibs. I wouldn't buy an iPad just for the screen protector.

>>4860165
Intuos pro is the only wacom tablet thats worth paying extra for. And even then, all you're getting that the other brands don't have is smoother pen tilt, and rotation detection.

>>4860216
ah fuck it then..I hate things like subscriptions.. I reckon csp is free on ipad though right? Anywho still might get it anyways. You don't really need csp to produce high quality art right?

>>4860225
CSP is also subscription on iPad lol, the only time you are gonna get CSP with a one time payment is on PC. And no you don't need CSP specifically, you could use other apps to draw with. Its just the closest to a PC drawing program that you're going to get on a tablet like that, and it feels really good to make shit in. You should look into what programs are available for iPad and Android, and go with whatever sounds good to you.

>>4860225
>ipad app
>free
lmao

>>4858581
Is Cintiq pro really that bad?
I have 13HD and been thinking on upgrading to 16 because it feels small. 22HD is way too big to my table.

>>4860241
>>4860302
well shit lol.. I just want a good standalone reliable tablet honestly. I'm so sick and tired of wacom and cintiq's. Where you need an hdmi cable to plug into to to use..

Being able to draw on something portable just sounds so much more refreshing. I guess I'm just gonna get the s7 + then cause the oled screen is probably better than the LCD.

>>4860313
>cause the oled screen is probably better than the LCD
Yeah, it does. Even apple fanboy like this faggot admits that it's one area where the s7 has edge over ipad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMkeVHscSPM

>>4860308
Yeah and on top of that 16 seems to be either not restocked right now or is about to be discontinued.

>>4858581
Got myself an ipad 11“ 2020, coming sometime next month. Should I buy procreate or just stick with notes for the basics. Total beginner, total shit and just want to learn to make art, not to be a pro.

>>4860517
then return it and get real paper instead. as a beginner you must draw on a big surface to advance.

>>4860517
Autodesk sketchbook is really good, gives you a lot of cool rulers and perspective tools. I'd start with that first.

>>4860132
>cause it comes with the paper matte screen thing
No it doesn't. Not only do you have to buy them separately, but they're pretty expensive.

>>4860132
>I might actually get the ipad instead cause it comes with the paper matte screen thing
Blatantly incorrect.

At least the Samsung Pen works better on glass because it has a rubber nib. The Apple Pencil has a plastic nib, which is extremely slippery on glass.

>>4860165
Functional pen tilt.
Consistent pressure without horrible tapering.
Finger control for zooming, panning and canvas rotation.

>>4860537
I still feel bad for that anon that bought one and fucked up the application. Oof.

>>4858581
Chinkguy is asleep, post xp-pen/huion/gaomon :)

I'm returning my Intuos Pro L after taking a suggestion from one of these threads. The device itself is great, very responsive and my workflow was so much more efficient for the 30 minutes that I tested it for. However, given my current schedule, I simply do not have the patience to spend a month or so adjusting to a non-display.

I'd rather shell out the extra $600 for better ergonomics. The benefits of going digital overrides any doubt I had prior to my purchase. A $1200 Cintiq 22 is a hefty but worthy investment. Thanks to the anons who helped me narrow it down to the Intuos L and the Cintiq 22

>>4860540
useless gimmick
wrong
useless gimmick, use your mouse like a grown up

>>4860546
non pro cintiqs arent worth it unless you exclusively do non coloured work, they have limited gamuts and poor contrast ratio so blacks look washed out

>>4858589
used that at work more than a decade ago. plastic mat eventually had deep scratches from the pen friction. also, the plastic pen wasn't tough enough for accidental falls, would just split into pcs. like Voltron or Voltes V.

>>4860308
cintiq pro lines are good, still not sure theyre worth the price though, bad value for money. Non pro cintiqs punish you for being cheap, and not in small ways either

http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?t=2469

>>4860523
>then return it and get real paper instead. as a beginner you must draw on a big surface to advance.
Will keep that in mind, but I didn‘t bought the ipad for drawing. I bought it for university, reading and shit primarly. Learning to draw is just something I also want to do.
>>4860532
>Autodesk sketchbook is really good, gives you a lot of cool rulers and perspective tools. I'd start with that first.
Thank you! Will look into it.

>>4860562
Shit, there are some concerning things I've read about the non-pro 22. Should I stick with my Intuos Pro? I'm just not used to the feel of the tablet and don't want to spend time getting acclimated, effectively slowing my work output down.

>>4860165
5 years ago yeah, but nowadays, not at all. Nothing that warrants it being 6 times the price. The market is changing for the better, you can now even buy screenless tablets for the price of an intuos pro. And the alternatives will only ever become more viable from here on out.

>>4860562
>useless gimmick
You are a dead set idiot, Chang. The whole reason to buy a certain kind of tablet is to improve workflow efficiency, and tilt support can be huge for certain workflows, particularly those coming from trad.
>wrong
There are literally examples in this very thread proving your chink garbage has tapering. It's a common issue.

>>4860584
Well put it this way, you dont NEED a display tablet, for once youre used to your screenless it will last you for decades and you can do literally everything that a display tablet can. That being said, there is something to the feel of drawing with your arm directly on a screen. I notice that i sketch more dynamically on a display tablet. If you do go for a display tablet, make sure you get them on amazon and just return ones you dont feel meet your expectations. Maybe you wont notice the 72% sgrb on the cintiq 22, maybe you will. I recently got a kamvas 22 plus since it has a 140% gamut with etched glass with sod all parallax for 500 bucks, Im still within my return period so if it shits on me I can just send it back because amazon is based. Whatever you do Id advise to avoid buying it from the manufacturer

>>4860584
Keep in mind you just replied to Chang. He will probably try to shill you an XP-Pen or Huion display tablet or something. (Yep, right here: >>4860599 )

If you really don't want to spend the time required getting used to non-display (for most people it takes a week), I'd say get a Galaxy Tab S7+ or a used iPad Pro 2nd gen.

The current market for desktop display tablets just isn't that good. Cintiq Pro line offers a top tier drawing experience, but they're heavily overpriced, loud and susceptible to quality control issues.
The Cintiq non-pro lines have the same great pen, but a non-bonded screen (which means you will have parallax), the colors are indeed pretty limited (but at least they come pre-calibrated) and they probably have similar QC issues to the pro-line. At least the Cintiq 22 comes with the stand which is nice.
Chinese Display Tablets have bad pens, non-calibrated displays and even worse quality control issues than Wacom.

Take the Portapill. Samsung Galaxies and iPads both offer great pens, amazing software not available on desktops, and can be used as desktop tablets anyway with superDisplay and Astropad. They're the ultimate versatile option.

>>4860590
Not a single artist I follow makes use of tilt. Its a nice feature to have in your marketing list, but real people dont care. Aaron may use it but he's the sort who would have to. He almost certainly couldnt recreate his work on any software other than corel painter. He's also not a real person.

>tapering

we're talking about screenless tablets here arent we though, sweetheart. And the xp pen/huion/literally fucking all of them have the exact performance capabilities of the intuos pro. I even tried on at the demo in the saturn down in the city, and it behaves just like a modern drawing tablet. Not bad at all, but certainly not worth 6 times the price. And thats regardless of all the nib memes. Tell you what, Ill send you pictures of the demo once you send pictures of your work or a vid of your own lines, how does that sound honeybun? Or will you run away like a little bitch again? :^)

>>4860614
>Not a single artist I follow makes use of tilt.
Because you're a stupid chink. Who the hell would ever care about the "artists" you know?

Most people on /ic/ know Aaron Blaise, and he comes from a trad background. He uses tilt very effectively here and explains why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhSQlPwtd4c

Not that an insectoid like yourself is interested in anything that would hurt your sales.

>>4860605
I've got the iPad Pro and it's too small for me. It used to be my main work horse, but I'm way overdue for a larger display.

Art is just a hobby that brings in a slice of my total monthly earnings. Precise color accuracy doesn't matter much to me, only that I can draw the way I do traditionally -- big gestures for dynamic sketches.

I gotta say, I love the response of the Intuos Pro. I can't draw as fast as I'd like, and I've got about 3 pieces to burn through in a couple weeks. This is what's informing my decision to swap it for the non-pro 22. You think it's worth the leap?

>>4860615
Just what year do you think we're in, sperg? Genuinely, how many people do you think will be transitioning to digital from traditional with the capabilities of needing to use tilt? Blaise is a great artist, but like rutten, he's a fossil. I dont doubt that if you have a rich experience in traditional and you're over 40 your crystallized IQ wont be able to adapt as well that you would need an empty feature like tilt. But yknow whats funny? How come blaise isnt recommending the 2gen ipad pro to anyone? Surely if it was the hot shit, he would be using it no? Or are you going to have to use the exact argument I just made despite wanting to say its bullshit because it shat all over yours?

>>4860617
I mean, sure. So long as you can adjust to parallax, it's at least a decent option. If you ever need to work on coloring though, I'd recommend importing your work to your iPad and doing it there.

The even better option is a used Cintiq 22HD if you can get a good deal, or even a 27QHD. Whether or not one is available depends on your location though, and whether you don't mind buying used off ebay.

>>4860619
>he's not like my chinese artist friends, therefore he doesn't matter!

>>4860622
>>4858611
You have never posted your work, your lines, proof of anything. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant. For all whats happening, you're likeliest to be the shill here.

Post timestamped eye to show you're not a gook.

>>4860619
>Surely if it was the hot shit, he would be using it no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN5xUi1wbUo

You mean like this, Zhang?

>>4858581
>>4860615
>>4860605
still going strong, polfag? Your irrational hatred of others burns you more than them.

>>4860625
Nope, thats a demo. His main workstation is a cintiq. And its for a reason as well, as the other anon rightly said, the ipad is fucking tiny. For portable sketching downtown its perfect, but for serious studio artists, its a toy, really.

>>4860623
Meanwhile pic related is the work you posted. How embarrassing.

>>4860628
>Nope, thats a demo
It's actually a tutorial, idiot. He has a few in Procreate.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aaron+blaise+procreate

That's beside the point anyway. Tilt is a great feature for those coming from trad, no matter how much it pains chinese morons like yourself to admit.

>>4860614
>Not a single artist I follow makes use of tilt.
Uh. I do... :(

so any of you niggers actually use shit like android or ipads for SERIOUS work and have proofs to back it up?
everything just feels so contradictory in this fucking thread, it's absolutely unusable

>>4860631
You forgot to alter the filename you fucking moron lmao

But even if someone were to post that, its SOMETHING, ANYTHING

you havent posted shit, and I think its because you gave up on it and are trying to instead be part of the community via tablet threads. I know loads of talentless shits like you who just collect the tools and hardware but dont actually use any of it and try to be a guru for everyone else despite the fact.

>>4860641
Nobody cares, chink.

>>4860636
Good for you. You can use tilt, but you dont need it. If you do need it, im sorry.

>>4860605
Non bonded displays doesnt automatically mean you get parallax anymore dude. I've got a tablet without a bonded display and have 0 parallax, people also constantly mistake the model as being a bonded display because its so good. You dont need the glass glued to the screen to get 0 parallax, in fact bonded displays have their own issues like early pixel death due to pressure hitting the screen directly. Whereas non bonded displays put no pressure on the screen and avoid this issue.

>>4860644
>nobody cares chink


lmao, btfo again. You really are a little bitch.

>>4860645
>need
Could you be any bigger of a complete idiot, Chang?

You don't "need" anything more than an Intuos from 2003 to draw literally anything. If you spend more money on a tablet, it's to work more efficiently, and there are plenty of people who work more efficiently with tilt. You can't accept this because you're a dumbfuck chink, and know XP-Pen and Huion suck at getting this working well.

>>4860645
I come from trad background, I was trained in an atelier, so I'm just used to being able to tilt and rotate my pencil or charcoal to make different shapes :( I dont technically need it but since its my muscle memory I make stuff a lot faster with it than without it.

>>4860646
>I've got a tablet without a bonded display and have 0 parallax
Post proof with a photo of your pen tip right next to the cursor or you're a liar.

Not to say bonded displays come without their faults, but as far as I'm concerned, every non-bonded display has some degree of parallax.

Since this thread is derailing, just know that you get good at what you use. You can make any tablet work as long as you spend enough time on it.

I have a beginner friend who got an XP-PEN 15.6 and he loves it. Personally, I've been using a Medium Intuos 4 for like 8 years now and I haven't felt the need to switch (though if I had the opportunity to test out an XP-PEN or Cintiq somewhere, I wouldn't turn down the idea).

Unless there's some issue with the tablet that is truly debilitating, like drivers that are so shit that you can't make them work on your device, then you can make whatever you choose first. If you're new, get something cheap to see if you even like digital drawing. As you get more experienced you'll come to find out what your needs are and you can upgrade from there.

>>4860663
>chang is still trying to shill

>>4860650
Could you have an even more limited vocabulary, child?

Plenty of trad boomers making the jump to digital, sure.

Also, get fucked. >>4860648

>>4860654
What angle do I take that from? Like straight on at the pen right over the cursor or at an angle or what?

>>4860668
>i won! i btfo you fucking chinese hater fucker! china numba wan! china rule the world!

>>4860672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvebK7ZzmCo

>>4860663
I have the 15.6 pro and its a solid machine, I just wish the contrast level was higher. Probably going to get the new 24" soon since I'd like a larger drawing area and they actually fixed the contrast ratio on those.

>>4860673
As long as you're seething, sure. Im also whiter than you, guaranteed. :^)

should I get an intuos pro or one of the cheaper chinese tablets? I can either get a medium intuos pro or a ~$400 chinese screened tablet.

>>4860681
The modern intuos pro line are terrible value for money. Get a handmedown intuos from 2013 or a chink tablet, an intuos pro is absolutely a waste of money.

>>4860681
Don't get anything Chinese, the pens are bad.

Get an Intuos Pro if you can adjust to screenless. If you want a screen, get a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite.

>>4860681
Either option is solid. If you're cool with training your hand eye coordination for the screenless tablet, go for the intuos pro medium. If you want a decent screen tablet in that price range, I personally like xp-pen's pro line (avoid the non-pro models and the innovator 16).

>>4860689
>>4858611

I see you, chinkguy

>>4860677
I've never used it myself, but you might be able to get a bit more contrast out of it if you ever find yourself able to get a colorimeter. Getting one was especially helpful for me in terms of being able to match my monitors' colors, but you can also squeeze out a higher contrast ratio with one.

Though if you're getting a new one and they apparently have a higher contrast ratio, then it sounds like you're set anyways.

>>4860681
I'd say it depends on your background. If you already have a background in traditional, then you might feel more comfortable with a screen tablet. The main difference is that screens are just naturally more intuitive to start using, but I'd say that tablets without a screen aren't a hurdle that you can't overcome within a month or two max.

If you're getting your stuff off Amazon or something, they tend to have a very lenient return policy. Just try one, see how you like it, and return it if you don't; no harm no foul.

>>4860695
I have a colorometer and you can't change the contrast ratio of the screen. The contrast ratio is how black the screen is capable of going. The higher the number, the deeper the black values you can get. The 15.6 pro has a contrast ratio of 800:1 which means they get dark but not nearly as dark as they need to be to be print accurate. This means I have to adjust my images on my good monitor before I go to print. On a tablet with a higher contrast ratio, you're seeing values as they should be and you don't need to do this kind of adjusting. Since values are half of what makes up color, this can make things look great on your tablet but washed out or straight up shitty on a nice monitor / in print.

Tldr adjusting colors doesn't give you better contrast ratio, this is an issue of the screen itself and its capabilities.

>>4860707
Whats the average contrast ratio for modern IPS displays? The display tablet I have has 1200:1, the blacks look pretty black

>>4860707
You're correct! I guess I misspoke a bit there. What I more meant by that is that using Displaycal or some equivalent you could accurately get your white level down to ~120cd/m2 or so, and turning down the brightness on your display(s) will usually yield better contrast ratios than what they come with out of the box. Display manufacturers love shipping out their products and defaulting them to like 300cd/m2 and that level of brightness is just way too much in most scenarios and as a result can also kill your contrast ratio.

Realistically though, getting a proper low white level is much easier and more lenient than calibrating colors, and if you look up "how to calibrate [X DISPLAY HERE]" you're likely to find a guide that will get you in the ballpark of 120-140cd/m2.

>>4860695
>If you're getting your stuff off Amazon or something, they tend to have a very lenient return policy. Just try one, see how you like it, and return it if you don't; no harm no foul.
I HIGHLY recommend doing this especially if you are dealing with wacom or huion specifically. They have shit return policies and support that will straight up argue with you over stupid shit just to avoid admitting that you do indeed need to make a return or exchange. Xp pen is cool about it but shipping times are ass with them so I'd have to recommend Amazon for them too just because theyre so fast.

The only problem I have with Amazon is ive known people who worked at those warehouses and they've talked about straight up dropping consoles on the floor or shoving tablets carelessly into shelves just to get their rates up so there's always a chance you'll get something broken by them shipped out to you. Then again that's what the return policy is for.

>>4860718
1000:1 is the average for IPS.

>>4860729
ah cool, cheers

>>4860617
What problems do you have with the intuos pro? Do you know you can program one bottom of the pen to switch to precision mode? In the tablet settings you can set it to have 1:1 ratio between what you draw with your hand and what you see in the monitor.

Tried the S7 in store today. The pen feels weird because it's lighter and thinner than both a wacom pen and the apple pencil. Screen was nice though.

Bought the CTL-4100 for osu, how decent is it for drawing if all I need is the bare minimum?

Wacom’s official ebay store is selling used cintiq 16 for $450 free shipping.
Not even refurbishing them anymore.

>>4861144
On the bright side, the people who fall for this shit and end up buying them will be people who deserve it one way or another

>>4859454
my wacom has it lmao

>>4859223
>I've seen review, the pen performs really poorly, has massive wobble.
What reviews, I've seen nothing but positive things from the m-pencil.

>>4859233
simple work around, it's like you enjoy google spying on your every move

>>4861164
I'd rather have google spying on my moves than a fucking chinese company

>>4860562
I've measured the cintiq 16. Its an average SRGB IPS display. Like 98% coverage and about 1000:1 contrast

>>4859210
Honestly even the last gen pro pen, which the One uses, is still better than the chinese display tablet pens. Hell even the chinese non-display tablets are better than the chinese display tablets. Tests have proven the sensitivity and IAF of the chinese pen displays is getting worse

>>4861160
>What reviews, I've seen nothing but positive things from the m-pencil.

https://youtu.be/kdlZKXBA75M?t=101

>>4861205
kek
i never liked this bald faggot but i'm glad to see him finaly grow enough balls to go against his chinese masters

>>4861173
>It's okay if Americans do it.

>>4861144
>try to sell your used cintiq 16 for $550
>wacom comes out selling used ones for $450 with fast shipping
JUST

>>4861271
why are there so many in the first place?

>>4861304
People, like me, didn't know there was a 22" coming out

>>4861271
is this kijiji?

>>4859454
Literally all wacoms have that issue as well and especially in photoshop. Whats new?

>>4859233
>Doesn't know he can install Google play on anything as long as he acquires the .apk
What a stupid hoe

>>4861203
>Tests have proven the sensitivity and IAF of the chinese pen displays is getting worse
Gonna need a source on that one

>>4861173
How do you know that they don't cooperate?

>>4861453
https://digitalarttabletguides.wordpress.com/2020/08/17/xp-pen-innovator-16-review/

>>4858915
Try Clip Studio Paint. I have a cintiq 16 and use CSP instead of PS because photoshop does this but CSP generally doesn't. However these programs draw lines they definitely prefer slowly drawn lines over quick ones

>>4861173
dude you don't know how analytics works do you?

I have a CSP desktop license, do I get some sort of preferential treatment when I'm about to buy the mobile version? Those have lengthy trial periods, 3 months for ipads and 6 months for galaxies, do I get discounts or longer trials if I'm using the desktop account to buy these?

>>4861078
You can buy different pens for it too, including a Wacom pen for Android.

Is the Cintiq 16 worth getting?

>>4862110
Nope it's complete shit.

>>4862139
Still better than chink crap.

>>4862110
>>4862139
>>4862142
Pen displays in general are garbage.

>>4862110
I have it and I love it, its not too small and not too big, I wish it was a tiny bit bigger like the cintiq 20 but honestly when you get used to it.

>>4862110
Thinking about getting a used one from wacom but the light bleed and scratches might drive me crazy

>>4858581
Why hate on Lenovo? Yoga 13 2016 is what I have, and it's nice.

>>4862367
I meant Thinkpad 260 Yoga

>>4862367
>>4862400
For one they're chinese. Also their shit is not designed with artists in mind. Same wobbly lines as the Surface Pro, same market.

>>4861932
No you will be treated like everyone else.

>>4862278
It's not worth it.

>>4862110
No, because of >>4862157 (admitedly a few good ones exists, but they're hideously overpriced and probably gonna cost you more than your entire rig combined, maybe even two/three times more)
If you insist to get a pen display, unironically get the cheapest one around since they're all trash anyway

>>4862457
That's true, but they are designed for engineers, I haven't noticed any wobbly lines.
Though I use Linux + Krita, not Windows, so I guess there might be different driver for this than usual. I doubt it however.
It is still Wacom technology. Not Windows N-Trig.

>>4862500
>If you insist to get a pen display, unironically get the cheapest one around since they're all trash anyway
This. Find the cheapest one with the best contrast ratio and color gamut and drivers.

>>4862619
>N-Trig
That doesn't exist anymore.

holy fuck why is wacom intuos pro medium so expensive??
im getting an xp pen star 03 instead, its 10 times cheaper

>>4863466
They have an army of fucking morons who are still convinced that wacom is hot shit, mostly boomers or people who only do the bare minimum amount of research. The army is on the decline though.

What kind of tablet works well with SAI while being a standalone? (not requiring to be plugged in a PC like ipad)

>>4863466
Wacom is a jewed out company. I don't know why /ic/ still shill for them

>>4862157
This.
i just went back to my ipad in like a day

>>4863611
Either Microsoft surfaces or (may allah forgive for uttering this word) cintiq companions/mobile studios

>>4863504
>>4863616
Nice alternatives you guys posted. So are you going to suggest any or not?

I’m looking for a drawing tablet with a screen. Is this one good? (Artist 15.6)

>>4860678
Shill Chang Yu is a white supremacist, nice who would've thought. Stop defending Chink tablets. They are bad.

>>4863824
Do not bother with the XP PEN displays that don't have the red dial.

>>4863716
XP PEN PRO 03 You illiterate faggot

>>4863690
surface is a bit outta my range.
Is there no windows android table?

>>4863872
I don’t know much about tablets, can you elaborate?

>>4864000
red dial is the pro version with laminated screen

How big a difference does the pressure sensitivity jump from 2048 to 8192 make?

Can you connect the Galaxy Tab S6 Lite to a pc and use it like a screenless tablet? I like the portability but I would prefer to use a larger computer screen at home

>>4863716
deco pro medium, h610 pro v2, h611, just spend a second on amazon. As far as screenless tablets go, there really is no performance gap anymore. Not in years. Chink displays have a ways to go in quality still but for screenless you have to be a fucking moron or just a sucker to pay more than 150. For you as well, >>4863864
You can keep whining about chinese shills or whatever magical fairy enemy your cognitive dissonance summons up, but these tablets fucking work, and for a far lower price. And thats a good thing you retards, wacom will be forced to change their strategy or fail. We, the consumers will be the victors.

>>4861205
>that line wobble

>>4863716
Why are you asking Chinese people to make suggestions for you?

>>4864076
>As far as screenless tablets go, there really is no performance gap anymore
Yes there is you lying chink.

No matter how much you pretend they don't matter, there are still plenty of artists who value tilt, touch input and consistent pressure. Alas, you're a dirty chinkshill.

>>4864281
>>4858611

I’m still using this bad boy

Do you guys use a stand? Do you draw flat on a table? Do you hold the tablet? How does /dtg/ draw comfortably?

>>4864398
If you have a screenless tablet, you don't need a stand.

If you use a screen tablet, you need a stand or an ergotron arm, otherwise you get posture problems.

>>4864398
I've got a 24" and was nervous my table couldnt hold the arm so it just have it on the preinstalled stand. Depending on the piece, I adjust someplace between 45 degrees and maybe at like 80(?) degrees when I use physical references rather than digital.

>>4864398
I use this

>>4864277
what's wrong with using Chinese you dumb fuck??

>what's wrong with using Chinese you dumb fuck??

i pad pro or the galaxy tab 7 i can't fucking decide.. Someone please help.

>>4863963
>windows android table
idk man, try to find a used one? wndows tablets in general just isn't very good though

>>4864018
literally fucking nothing

>>4864603
have you ever used anything from apple? it sucks massively. they hate your freedom. if youre already integrated into the apple lifestyle, then maybe its a tough choice. otherwise get the tab 7

>>4864651
I have, through a friend and I fucking hated it because yeah it limits your freedom and that sucks bigtime. But because other people like Kim jung gi, Jisu and other superani people seem to be using apple I thought I might give it a try. The apple pen also costs like 160$ right? You gotta purchase it separately?

>>4864657
>But because other people like Kim jung gi, Jisu and other superani people seem to be using apple I thought I might give it a try
Pretty sure they're only getting it because apple stuffs in general are just so ubquituous in art industry, so might as well use one to simplify the file transfer/hardware logistics and all that shit
Performance wise, the S7 is perfectly capable

>>4864657
>>4864603
iPad has Procreate and ArtStudio Pro, which are better than anything you can get on Android in terms of portable tablet workflow.

That being said, the S7+ is a more than capable option these days. It also works better as a Windows display tablet with superDisplay, compared to the crap options on iPad.

>>4864398
Use this with the Cintiq 13

>>4864762
Is there any legit software that the S7+ has besides the shitty subscription csp that you need to pay for every month?

>>4864776
Krita, but it's in beta and the UI needs more optimization.
Infinite Painter is the go-to for most people, but it's prone to crashing.
Ibis Painter and Medibang are both decent.
Artflow is ok, but I don't think it has working tilt.
Autodesk Sketchbook is pretty good.

Worth noting that all of these are on the iPad too, except for Artflow.

>>4864603
>>4864776
if you get an ipad, make sure it's used. That's where the best value is.

Used iPad Pro 2nd Gens are the best ones to buy off Ebay right now.

>>4864781
thanks for the options really imformative.

>>4864434
you are OBSESSED with China. Chinese products are actually becoming good and your Cognitive dissonance is making you angry

>>4864814
COPE MORE Amerimutt.. China will become a global superpower

>>4864818
China is opening up their economy while americans are dying from Trumpvirus! LOL!

>>4864814
>>4864818
>>4864824
So since it's not enough you don't get to shill chink garbage in the OP, you're now spreading official Chinese propaganda in a thread about drawing tablets?

This is your life, Zhang?

>>4864839
What is your goal here? I am recommending cheap, good products. You are mad because China offers good quality product? Wacom is a jewed out company selling overpriced shit. Name one better bang for the buck product than the huion h610. You can't.

>>4864818
>implying its not already a supwerpower
I know taking the blackpill is shitty but this is naive

>>4864839
you're the one being schizophrenic about China retard

>>4864776
You're going to buy an $850 tablet but $30/year will break the bank for you?

>>4864853
>You are mad because China offers good quality product?
>offers good quality product
Yep, in case anyone had reservations, there are indeed braindead chinks trying to shill garbage here.

Free Hong Kong.
Free Tibet.
Taiwan Independence.
Winnie the Pooh.
Tienanmen Square Massacre.

>>4864881
you're right I bought an alienware laptop for 2k, and it broke after 2 years. Couldn't get it fixed either due to Rona, and still hesitant to right now cause of personal info and stuff in it. bought a fucking huion kamvas pro 22 that I can't even use now due to no hdmi port. I've made some bad decisions so I'm trying to do damage control here by finding something I can actually use for 5+ yrs.

>>4864818
>>4864824
Kys my dude
I have no qualms with chinese tablets shilling here and even sometimes approve them because some of the are actually decent, but /pol/ shit like this got no business being in a tablet thread

Thread would've been far better if the default and only recommendation is the Apple iPad Pro 12.9, since it's simply so much better than everything else.

>>4864914
dude this thread was created by a /pol/tard?

>>4864961
Can't you tell from the fact some faggot keeps talking about the CCP?

>>4864910
>laptop
Lol.
Why do people buy laptops? Like seriously don't you understand that cramming a fuck load of powerful space heaters into a tiny enclosure you can't clean from dust right next to a battery isn't smart engineering.

>>4864961
No, he's just angry that his favorite brands aren't being shilled in the OP. He's been whining about this for like 8 threads now.

Nobody even really cares about the OP, but it still annoys him because he thinks it might be costing sales for Chinese tablets.

>>4864365
I feel sorry for you.

>>4865014
Dude by /poltard we mean you not somebody else.

see >>4858611

>>4865020
>we
You're the only chinese idiot still crying about the OP.

>>4865028
Yeah Shure, it's been five threads and you haven't posted work faggot, keep coping. Other anons are already making the memes of me dabbing on you.

>>4865037
>still repeating the same boring shit
and you're still a complete idiot.

The OP is never changing, no matter how much you cry, Zhang.

>>4865037
>Other anons are already making the memes of me dabbing on you
underage

>>4865037
>Shure
>Other anons are already making the memes of me dabbing on you

>>4865039
>still repeating
Well you still haven't proven you even have a tablet at all so it still stands.

Some points you make like importance of touch make me think you never even used one because literally everybody disables it.

>cry
You've been the one crying when I actually posted the video of my "bad" pen.

>>4865043
>"because literally everybody disables it"
>zhang still trying to pretend he knows what all artists do

>>4864934
Thread would have been better win no recommendations. But the first op didn't listen, and look at where we are now. I told you op. I hope you see what you've caused.

>>4865043
Has he seriously been saying you need touch controls? Bro everyone I know turns that shit off asap because it sucks ass. Does he think we actually use it?

>>4865047
>Thread would have been better win no recommendations
No, that wouldn't stop Chang from complaining. His alternative threads (which the mods started purging) are filled with chinese shilling.

If there's no chink tablet shilling in the OP, he will keep bitching.

>>4864961
Yes because /pol/ shitposters can't resist wasting their time on something retarded.

>>4860631
SOULUL

>>4865049
You're not the original OP of these tablet generals. You're not who I'm talking to. Fuck off, autist.

>>4865053
Actually I am, idiot. I made the first /dtg/ a few months ago, but keep crying like the moron you are. The OP is not changing.

>>4864934
>Apple iPad Pro 12.9
Mobile fags need to all fuck off to their procreate threads and b\never come out.
Nobody asked them.

>>4865048
>as he seriously been saying you need touch controls?
Yes here.
>>4860540
And here
>>4864281
In previous thread he said tilt was important for emulating pencil or some shit.
He literally has no idea about drawing, never posted even a fucking brushstroke or a timestamped picture of a talet he has.

>>4865056
Stay mad, dumbfuck Chang. Still won't help you sell your Huions and XP-Pens.

>>4865054
And I'm the the guy who got a Huion 5 years ago, liked it and told everybody about them.

Suck my dick.

>>4865056
>never posted even a fucking brushstroke
What makes you think a "brushstroke" means anything?
Also, why are you so mad?

>>4865054
Yeah nice LARP stupid dumbfuck. You're not the same person I talked to when this general started

>>4865061
Ok Li Wang. Still not buying Huion.

>>4865066
Tell yourself whatever you like, idiot. Still not changing the OP.

Morons like you getting so emotionally invested in the OP is precisely the reason it should not be changed.

>>4865051
>>4865068
>>4865067
>>4865060
see /pol/ is everywhere!

>>4865068
It was before your time, polfag. Stop larping its embarrassing

>>4865067
>Ok Li Wang. Still not buying Huion.
Sure you aren't because you are not an artist and don't draw.

>>4865064
>What makes you think a "brushstroke" means anything?
I told you ten times already.

1 show me how good your magical pen is
2 show me that you even have a fucking tablet and aren't a /pol schizo larping as an artist.

>>4858581
These threads are so full of shitposting now. Why the fuck are you people still here trying to discuss tablets and give recommendations? Whats the point?

>>4865080
Shhh don't rustle Aaron Rutten or he'll just shitpost more

>>4865080
>2 show me that you even have a fucking tablet and aren't a /pol schizo larping as an artist.

NOOOO CHANG YOU IDIOT THAT DOESNT MATTER CHINESE ECONOMY IT WASN'T ME IT THE CHINESE WHO SHAT IN MY BED

See?
Just call him out as a fake artist and he's running away.

Works like magic.

>>4865080
>I told you ten times already.
No you didn't, idiot. A brushstroke proves nothing, and you never proved otherwise. You're a worthless chink.

>>4865098
>>4858611

What an autistic thread. So what if OP is shilling wacom/apple/samsung etc? Those brands are actually good. Just make better products if you want your stuffs to sell

>>4865113
He's unironically shilling absolute dogshit like
>some ancient 4*3 cintiq with an from 2000-something. with one of the worst shittly LCD displays and decayed backlight for 500$ with a missing pen
>Samsung galaxy tab 2
>Wacom Bamboo
>Shit he just posted Graphyre in this thread. Using a graphire is why I fell in love with the chinks, they saved me from that nightmare.
Meanwhile he's shitting on legit good products like new wacom Pros because it's made in chine. Duh, and the actually decent chinese tablets.

Ultimately he has admitted that he doesn't give a fuck about tablets or anons, it's all aboiut china for him, so he would rather you spend 1000$ on some anciend dead piece of shit from craigslist.

>Just make better products
The chinks are actually better than the budget wacom shit like Bamboos and NON-PROs but the /pol shill will tell you othervice.

>>4865125
>The chinks are actually better than the budget wacom
You got any proof of this that isn't an obviously sponsored youtube video?

>>4865133
Intuos non-pro (rebranded Bamboo) have
>diagonal jitter
Deco pro doesn't Some chinks still do but most of the latest don't bizzarely except the Innovator.
See >>4858926 no waves here.
>the Bamboo Pen
The Intuos Pro have actually good pens, but the bamboo plebs aren't allowed to use them. If you don't pay 350$ you are only allowed to use the same pen as an old bamboo had. It has no springloaded tip just a stiff plastic rod with zero travel and a tensometer that measures the force you apply to it. Finely controlling the pressure is impossible. unlike say here >>4859459 or here lol >>4858611
>Also no pen tilt at all
The chinese implementation is actually less than perfect, it might sometimes mess up if you spin it around in the middle of a brushtroke.
But who the fuck has dexterity for that anyway? It's perfectly fine you want to chose an angle for your flat brush.

The cintiq-pleb 16 has an inferior display and non laminated glass compared to 16" chink, I would actually pick the chink because of that, but they used the good Intuos pens and could even use the Art pen with rotation. Wacom figured that out and already discontinued them . Expect One By Wacom 16" with the bamboo pen, because the plebs aren't allowed to have nice things.

>>4865147
>Wacom figured that out and already discontinued them . Expect One By Wacom 16" with the bamboo pen, because the plebs aren't allowed to have nice things.

Also consider whethr you want to actually support the company that does this kind of shit.

The chinese take your money and sell you the best thing they could make. The Wajews are looking for any chance to fuck you over.

>Muh used Intuos
They retain value like collectible cars. If it's in a good condition it cost like it's brand new.
If it's 200$ or lower expect it to be all fucked up scuffed, scratced, with a dead micro-usb and shit stains on.

>New Intuos
They are objectively good, but there is a catch - recurrent monetization. They make the nibs out of fluoroplastic that melts like butter in contact with their sandpaper-like surface.
1$ per nib, one nib per day.
The surface is prone to wear too it's replacable 40$ each, the default surface is the roughest one so it burns thrugh the nibs the fastest.
Art pen with rotation 100$ sold separately.

>why, of course i buy Huion H610. Not because i am a CCP shill but because its quality is comparable to Wacom Intuos pro medium while being four times cheaper. It is a great deal if you do not have money to buy Wacom.

>>4865190
DESU it's not about having the money.
The chinks make the wacom price just look ridiculous.
>Intuos Pro large
>+ Art Pen
>+a bad of spare nibs
>500$ + shipping
You know what? Fuck that. I'll keep my Deco Pro and fuck a hot ukrainian escort in the ass five times instead.

>NOOOOOOO you cant buy Huion!!! because i am racist and i hate Chinese people for making a good product!!!!!

>>4865194
I live in Singapore and huion tablets are just much cheaper.
H610 : 90 SGD
Wacom intuos pro med : 500 SGD
It's ridiculous how jewish wacom is.

>>4865125
You're deranged, Zhang.

>>4865198
Not an argument, Timmy. Now show me where Huion hurt you.

Chinese shills really do get mad, holy shit.

>>4862142
Are wacom tablets made in china?

>>4865206
Y-yes.. but it doesn't matter because the company is Japanese and i love Japan!!

>>4865206
Yes that's why the /pol shill is recommending you to get a busted one off craigslist.

>>4865194
>a hot ukrainian escort in the ass five times instead


And I'm not joking btw.
This is what 100$ buy you, including nutting in her mouth raw while she's still gently licking your tip.

>>4865212
Were they made elsewhere before or was it always china?

>>4865256
Why are you still replying to the angry chink?

Wacom used to be manufactured in Japan, but like all big hardware companies, moved it to China for bigger profit margins in exchange for poorer quality products.

Nevertheless, Wacom tablets still retain far superior design to Chinese tablets, which is why they're still better options, even the ones from 10 years ago. The old ones in particular are built to last, which is precisely why they're recommended in the OP. This upsets the Chinaman, so he screeches constantly.

>>4865261
Theyll run out though

I don't know who am i supposed to trust in this trainwreck of a thread

>>4865261
>The old ones in particular are built to last,

The old ones in particular >>4858589 >>4858794 had a fucking cursor drift because of thick plastic and stupid pen design.
You understand what parallax is on a screen tablet. Now Think about the magnetic field, the tablet isn't sensing the tip, it's sensing the coil somewhere inside the pen.

Now imagine you're keeping the nib perfectly in place but you tilt the pen sideways. since the coil is drifting to the side so does the cursor.

This makes drawing on them fucking atrocious, if you want a long confident line you'd have to hold the pen exactly fucking vertical throughout the entire stroke or you're just going to miss your target.

You would know that if you ever had one of those and werent a fucking fake activist posing as an artist.

>>4865276
Trust your heart.

>>4865284
I wanted to trust OP since i use wacom myself, but honestly the arguments he presented is even less compelling than the chinaman's

>>4865290
if you're using an intuos pro - just keep it.

If you're using a bamboo or an ituos-pleb, you got scammed.

>>4865281
>chang still mad as fuck
Hilarious. You actually think people care about your Huion shilling.

>>4865290
Ok Zhang. Keep pretending to be someone else pretending to care about any "argument".

Won't stop chink tablets from being trash though.

>>4865317
Christ, you're literally an oblivion NPC. Dyou have any broken voice lines?

>>4865319
Kek he really doesn't know many words

New Thread

>>4865324
>>4865324
>>4865324

>>4865328
>early thread
Truly one desperate little dumbfuck chink.

>>4865339
One more post and it's just fine.

Go on, post.

>>4865339
>>4858611

>>4865341
Were you too stupid to figure out the bump limit is actually 300? Of course, you're an insect.

Actual new thread:

>>4865345
>>4865345
>>4865345
>>4865345

What's wrong with hating China again?