/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>Draw a circle
>It's too square
>Draw a square
>It's too circly

>Tfw the sketching goes too far
LOOK MOM, I'M CREATING MY OWN SHONEN FINAL VILLAIN.
Or perhaps it's a good guy transformation, who cares.
I tried to make it look good without re-doing the lineart, I'll just claim it's a... messy style, yeah.

>>4854220
The eternal struggle

are master studies a meme?
I really enjoy making them but i'm under the impression that they are much easier, since you're analyzing and copying already "solved" shapes and values.

doing this atm

some
60s figure
210s figure
5m head

>>4854283
and this around 40min

>>4854236
>since you're analyzing and copying already "solved" shapes and values.

well thats the point, youre using the knowledge to see how the shapes are 'solved' and then applying that to your own future work, its called studies for a reason, nice piece btw

So the bots haven’t been deployed yet...

>>4854301
There is no spam bots and this is not an automated message, go back to rddit

Is it possible to significantly improve just by observing stuff and trying to deconstruct and replicate it on paper? I mean this must have been the go-to way for artists before the internet age who didn't go to school, so it should be possible right?
I don't doubt that things like DAB would help me a lot with construction and whatnot, but the exercise is just so frustrating and tiring that it makes me wanna drop drawing altogether. I want drawing to be something relaxing, something that doesn't feel like chore.
Has anyone here self-improved in their skills without following guides and tutorials? From what I've heard Kim Jung Gi got his skills by only focussing on drawing things around him 24/7. Now I'm not expecting to get on his level, but doesn't this prove that following all these tutorials is not necessary? Idk. Someone wanna share their experience?

>>4854353
this video has the best advice i have heard on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r5IENxekAM
it has helped me improve a lot, and feel better while doing so.

>>4854301
There are no spam bots and this is not an automated message, go back to rddit

how do i even color? are there any books/videos that /ic/ recommend?

Anyone tried this for a month or two? Everytime I try it my head starts to hurt very badly it's like speedrunning 10hours of drawing in 30 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

>>4854455
i dont watch depressed schizos

>>4853809
Thanks anon, I had been looking to shift into more cartoon study after finishing my course I'm in right now.

>>4854214
Can you login in a cracked version of CSP or will it fuck up the application? I want to download a brush from the CSP website but I can't do that without logging in. If I can't login and download the brush I want where can I get them?

>>4854496
cant

poor results

>>4854299
Oh so it's about acquiring patterns and stuff.
It makes sense then. Painting from a photo is already tough enough, painting from real life is a different monster altogether.
Thanks bro.
Here's my final.
I could maybe kick it up a notch but meh

>>4854500
Where do I get them then?

>>4854507
yeah youre basically just building up your visual library, could you post the original painting im curious to see

>>4854554
Here

>>4854448
james gurney color and light is a good book for that.

>>4854571
thansk anon, will give it a go myself

working through keys to drawing, pretty fun and informative so far. planning on doing this then some perspective books and then some figure drawing stuff

Was my drawing that bad? have i been fooled?\
Rain keeps falling down, will you recognize me?

what can I say, I [heart] April

>>4854661
badass lifedrawing lurker

Moments like these help me remember a truth, the issues I'm now faced with are to blame on individuality, yours and mine, if only we could all get rid of separate identities, do away with personality yet remain working, us but not quite us, not even an imitation but nothing.
it must be done to everyone everywhere at the same time, get rid of individuality so no one will ever suffer again
>>4854668
what?

>>4854507
Seconding the other guy, I’d like to see the original.

>>4854579
alright, thanks anon~!

the only one who replied to me was due to a mistake

>>4854677
never mind I’m retarded and left the thread hours ago without updating

guys i think i got it finally t: superbeg

IM DECONSTRUCTINGGGGGGGG

>>4854214
Yesterday I bought a Wacom Intuos Pro Medium, my first drawing tablet. And... I thought it would be easier to use. Lines don't seem to go exactly where I want and even though I'm a noob I could achieve decent results (for a noob) just using pen and paper. So far it's really uncomfortable to use.
Can you give some advice? I'm feeling kinda down right now...

>>4854719
150 cubes

I tried drawing a self-portrait using these new pixel brushes, got frustrated, and this came out instead.

>>4854756
blog?

>>4854762
@bimmydraws on twitter, tumblr, and pillowfort, but you won't find much like the last picture. It was fun to make tho, so I'll experiment with it a bit more.

>>4854766

>>4854776
haha I drew that

>>4854786
Is it a Pompeiian portrait painting?

>>4854796
Desu I'm not sure what the original was, it was just a meme in one of the /ic/ "my style / your style" threads. I know it was ancient though. I redrew it with big animu eyes because I suck at actual painting.

>>4854796
Egypto-roman

Is using blend modes(multiply) to find values like shades and highlights necessary is it the correct way ??

>>4854858
Well I tried.

Is there a guide to using sai brushes i need help

>>4854352
That chick reminded me of akali from league for some reason so I made an akali version of her lol

was fun, thanks for the ref!

>>4854724
I've been practicing, doing some cubes...
Still, I'm feeling down. I wonder if I have wasted my money and should have bought instead one of those tablets that have a display screen. I'm always fucking things up.

>>4854455
oh yeah it works. It's just drawing something, seeing what you did wrong compared to the end result you wanted, and just making those changes on the next try

About an hour and a half each

Everyone keeps saying how figure drawing super important. I have been doing figure drawing daily for a long time and not only it feels like I'm learning nothing and not improving, the short duration figures are horrible and chaotic and feels like I'm doing everything wrong. When I see other people they manage to capture everything important in little time. Is there a correct way of learning figure drawing or does anyone teaches how to? Just drawing is getting me nowhere.

>>4855023
figures are good for learning how to do different angles of the human body, essentially ur ingraining poses into your memory so they become easy to do from imagination later on. If you want to improve, then do Vilppu's course, or any good course for that matter https://mega.nz/folder/RIx3TJxJ#_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg/folder/EUJHgKAZ

Should I only continue with Drawabox and Keys to drawing for now? This is something on my own I did digitally, still wip

>>4855041
This was the reference for the pose

>>4855004
screen tablets are pitfalls

>>4854987
nice, keep training

>>4855042
that's the most unnatural pose I have seen in a while, you won't really learn anything from that and maybe it will even make things worse.
Try reference poses that are natural, as otherwise your image will also turn out super unnatural.

I think this is the background drawing style I will go for with my medieval picture.
What do you think?

>>4855061
thx!

>>4855004
Sameguy.
I don't know if it is possible, but should I try to change my Wacom Intuos Pro Medium for a Wacom one with screen? Is it easier to use?

>>4854776
Draw her butt, brah

What shortcuts should I bind to tablet?

My chink tablet has 4 buttons and I use only 1... Undo (ctrl+z)

Need to learn angle and how to make the side closer to you look larger

>>4854285
GJ anon, keep at it. Next time work on your values. Are you strictly traditional? I think doing a portrait with only 3-4 values would help you group the planes better, to better communicate the form.
Check out asaro heads if you havent already, and start being conscious about the planes you assign values to.

>>4855104
to tablet? none, use keyboard
you should have shotcuts for
saving
undo
redo
brush resizing
zoom
moving canvas
transforming
selection tool
color selection tool
brush tool
eraser
new layer
duplicate layer
new layer group
merge layer below selected layer
flip canvas
colorpick
color balance
fit canvas to screen
bucket tool
gradient tool

If after 1 year of constant drawing, and you don't feel good about it, then that means you have no talent and should just go do something else.

>>4854343

Where can i find non sexual naked reference models? I know its some general but i cant find it.

>>4855122
That... is a lot of stuff. Most of that don't has to be used multiple times a minute.
Move canvas is bound to one of my pen buttons. Eraser to 2nd.

Flip canvas sound interesting, never used it, will bound it to tablet button.
Might test other stuff when drawing next time.

>>4855149
Croquis cafe

>>4855126
This shit made me kek

With some adjustments it can be used on /pol/ against roasties

>>4855152
new layer and flip canvas is all u need like the other anon i already have my left hand on the keyboard for shortcuts

>>4855165
How often should a new layer be used?
Like for every line? Doesn't it make the drawing software use a lot of RAM and therefore slow?

>>4855161
Thanks m8

>>4855197
Just preference innit, some people use 1 layer others use 1000

>>4855197
for personal work it doesn't matter
otherwise it depends on where you work, for changing things up or sending to someone else

here we go again

Haven't drawn in ages and holy shit its hard to draw a picture that doesn't have glaring issues.

FUUUUCK

I'm literally using a desk lamp and a mirror to get live reference lol.

>he draws perspective with quick, confident lines and seemingly without even thinking about it
is this the power of 250 boxes?

>>4854214
>absolutely zero drawing/painting skills
>been gifted a huion 1060 plus
is ctrlpaint.com a good site to learn? does the regular board sticky still apply when learning digitally?

I'm an absolute /beg/inner at landscapes and scenery. How should I practice?

>>4855237
perspective

>>4855229
yes yes

>draw in portrait and like it
>draw again right after in 3/4
>like it more
>look back and not like the other
Well, that's different, though I see a lot wrong with it now. Also far eye is giving me so much trouble all the time. It's the squash on it to be further away that keeps getting me.

>>4855259
soul

>>4855120
Damn that’s nice

>>4855074
it lacks a horizon and some perspective in general. It looks like the water is running up hill.
Love the shrubbery and rocks below the castle

>>4855213
trying to find the volumes....

>>4855300
>>4855213
This looks really good, but it needs more exaggeration. Try raising the lower part of the axe hilt higher up, the axe head lower and level out the pole a bit. Raise the left hand up and extend the right arm out to counter it. Then I'd say raise the extend the left leg further out (towards us) while putting more weight on it, more of a bend instead of so straight, like the axe has a lot of weight. And I'd say a bit more bent backwards, because the axe head is of course heavy, so it would pull backwards a bit in motion.

>>4855294
>it lacks a horizon and some perspective in general
I hate to be that "it's my art style" guy, but romanesque and early gothic art are notorious for lacking perspective and having proportions all over the place.
I agree that it looks like the water is running up hill though and will try to prevent that. Thanks mate.

For reference, pic related is what I practiced the background for.

>>4854523
>>4854496
you can import brushes that you have on your pc you don't need any login bullshit

another cba day, did this in a few minutes, will try to do a proper one tomorrow

not going to finish this, any tips regarding anatomy, construction and rendering?

>>4855163
Adjustments like?

>>4854459
>depressed schizos
what happened?

>>4855340
Assuming the wild neck/leg proportions are intentional, try feeling the shoulder bones a bit more, the left of the rib cage seems to disappear underneath the breast, and the stomach area is too big. You also aren't drawing elbows.

>>4854214
Am I /gmi/?

>>4854664
Damn soul. Are you aiming for newspaper cartoons?

>go to low viewer twitch streamer using CSP and get them to explain shit you don't understand
I've already learned so much that /ic/ wouldn't tell me

>>4855213
try to see where the weight is going, it should be on his right foot, but that foot is not even touching the ground completely. He's leaning on his left foot which is in front of him, but the main weight in the picture is the axe which is pushing down on his backside.
if you were to unpause this image, the dude would just fall over backwards, this makes it an unnatural pose.

Alright /beg/ I got carried away and now the real reason im here is gonna come into play: I suck at rendering. Now, before that, If there's anything you guys see to be off (besides the angle of her face, which im sad I messed up :C), let me know before I go into rendering. Thanks all!

(the reason I have light and dark versions of the colors on her is because I plan to use them to light/shade clothes and skin so yeah)

>>4855416
also as a sidenote; im really liking that hard-round someone gave me a couple threads back. I only like it for coloring tho so far bc its a little weird using it for greyscale

>>4855340
you ever seen anyone stand like that irl?
don't think so, and if they did they'd probably not prefer to hold that stance.
This makes everything in the image up till the waist fucked: the left hip is pointed up, but the foot is not actually supporting it etc.
please make the lower legs and the arms more volume or remove rendering of muscles as now you have exaggerated muscles but no muscle mass/fat which would form those exaggerated muscles.
also long neck.
coloring is fine.

>>4855340
rendering isnt that bad desu. HOWEVER, the anatomy is not nearly on the level it could be.

Keep grinding anatomy/figures out man

Trying out watercolor for the first time. Goal was to replicate the colors I was seeing, brush control will come later so that the forms no longer look like dogshit. What is the standard way to darken the values of watercolor pigments? Do I need to buy darker pigments and just use more paint? I was mixing with black for this. This was late evening but the values make it look much brighter than it should be.

>>4855437
Great start! Love those bushes.
there are two ways to get darker clean colors:
glazing - add a layer of colour, let it dry and repeat.
color to water ratio up up uuup.
I find the glazing method more forgiving.

If anyone wants to pitch in with a good guide on water colour mixing, please do :)

>>4855416
Please have a penis

>>4855462
unfortunately for you, fellow fren, she is not a tran by lore

>>4855456
Thank you! I will try glazing tonight and repaint the scene.

how much of a /beg/ trap is wanting to draw something impressive? as i’m on yet another attempt to learn how to draw, i think my biggest mistake years ago was trying to grind until i did something perfect. thing is you need to loosen your mind and actually take in what you’re being taught. whatever ends up on the paper doesn’t matter as long as you understand the teacher. this is why watching/listening to a tutorial without drawing does absolutely nothing. it’s all about the brain.

Would appreciate any feedback. Still have a hard time digital painting when every tutorial I watch makes it seem so smooth and easy.

Pls constructive critique.

>>4855529
wrong thread, use /draw/

>>4855533
Oh, I'm sorry, this is the only critique I saw. I'm usually on /gd/ or some other shite board. Thanks.

Didn't really improve shadows/lights from last post, I messed up with the layers and stuff got complicated so next time I'll try to do better. Tried to add more shadows instead of just at the edge, but they seems really random

>>4855369
Another one, I think it came out way better and faster too.

>>4855529
could use some touch ups on the feet and hips but when you fix those apply to become a splash artist at some game company

>>4855529
Don't draw separated toes, unless the person is actually doing it, they are normally pretty much attached

>>4850191
Thanks for the advice lad, I'll make sure to improve my figure/anatomy.
By the way I tried to finish this with a layer tutorial, I'm pretty new on this Photoshop drawing thing.

The upside down Igor exercise hurts my head and I keep restarting cos I get it horrifically wrong, any tips?

>>4855659

I don't know how to paint skin correctly. Any advice?

>>4855676
hard
round
brush

>>4854343
Couldn't get the face right, I would love some tips

Sideways

>>4854682
I forgot to mention, Marco bucci is another good resource to learn from, He mainly focuses on digital painting and values.

>>4854225
Looks good besides the chin, Reminds me of Kubo

did another homelander, tried to get the right size and shape for his body
am i improving anons? i know its not good but its better than past attempts i guess

>>4855813
watch better shows

>>4855813
NO
its quite inferior to what others are doing here
>>4855814
ive only seen like 1 episode or maybe two, dont plan on seeing the rest but i like him, i resemble him

this thread has rejected me, i can feel it
so be it then

What's the test to know that I am good at construction?

>>4855816
shut up dude no one wants you in these threads

>>4855825
have you tried not posting schizophrenic diatribes without work while avatarfagging as though you're some W-list celebrity? That might help you get along with other people better.

>>4855552
Definitely better than the first one. I would just work on proportions and simplifying the curves a bit at first to get the general shapes down accurately. Here's my take. Hope it helps!

>>4855872
for a week i did but i was constantly insulted, an anon in particular recognized me and kept insulting me
>>4855865
ill bite off your throat

>>4855905
do it i dare you at least that would be artistic instead of autistic

>>4855825
is it true you have bpd?

>>4855915
>>4855907
enough about me, ill post while behaving as long as i can get feedback

>>4855865
could you post one of your drawings please?

>>4855905
>for a week i did but i was constantly insulted, an anon in particular recognized me and kept insulting me
hahaha

>>4855529
Really nice study. I know the ref probably had the same hue all over the body, but I would vary it a bit to give it a more natural look.
Here's what I would do. I know it's pretty extreme, but it's just to get the point across. Hope this helps with the real skin feel.

>>4855939
Forgot to say I fixed some anatomy stuff. Left forearm, hand and her foot.

i wanna branch out from drawing deformed little fuckers into anime, what do?

>>4855955
more of my shit since its kinda diverse i think

>>4855959

>>4855313
This is an interesting project, i would like to see more as you go

>Picks up tablet
>Can't even draw a circle
>Tapes copy paper on it
>I can draw perfectly fine

What the fuck

>>4855120
thank you. yes I only do trad,
i try not to take much time on values because is to much time consuming the rendering, i just mark shadows and give it a shot at the value i see but graphite dont give so easily darks but yes i need to make more works that push more deep black values I will take you recomendation.

How is I learned constructions?

How do I git gud in proportions and construction

>>4855726
i just check it today and it looks like what i need, again thanks anon~!

>>4855985
DAB

>>4854220
you need more chad eviston in your life my friend, my circles are perfect now.

>>4854214
can someone redline this please?

>>4855965
Thanks. The next step is practicing the outer border/frame. I will have to buy a finer brush and some water resistant ink on Saturday first though.

I was feeling some type of way about a girl and decided to do a self portrait rather than sit and stare. I spent a good deal of time trying to get the proportions and positions right, and most importantly, trying to capture the mood.
This took ~1 hour and is my first drawing in a while
thoughts?

>>4856126
my reference

Sorry for the weird values. My scanners fucked. Anyway heres rin

>>4854285
>>4854283
amazing, how superior
what are you doing anon? for how long have you been drawing?

>>4856126
seriously though, the eyes aren't quite located correctly, and the one is way bigger than the other. The perspective on the front of the head also curves towards the viewer as you go from right to left. Keep going!

my posts go ignored

>>4856003
Study from higher artists or real life and G R I N D

>>4855723
Finish the lines and maybe color it, it's good enough to post.

>>4855659
Make the hands bigger and the hair around the face look more like pic related. Bangs don't go that far out in proportion to the head without going down. Good coloring/ rendering btw.

>>4856142
The elbow should end at the middle of the stomach (you can see this on your own body)

>>4855863
You don't need to draw all those boxes anon. Go with the flow a bit more and you'll get a feel for the human body naturally. You need to study knees a bit more. The bottom right image looks nice.

>>4856239
I like how the image doesnt look motionless. The boobs are too close together and don't look like there's fabric over them (move the left boob left and erase the "top" line on the right)

I'm sorry for the link guys but I can't upload images (issues with an IP ban)

https://i.imgur.com/LbDqNVj.jpg

Still a WIP (outfit design is hard) but how do her proportions / anatomy look? And her face? My bf says she looks ugly but can't pinpoint any specific reasons why. Pft, amateurs amiright? (pls help)

K this time I'm actually going to study some of those fundies before finishing anything more.

>>4852949

I screwed the pooch on the arm but everything else turned out pretty okay. I took notes from Dan Kim's method of drawing where he blotches things in black and uses white to fill in the details. Is there a name for that method?

>>4855104
Undo, redo, transform, move.

>>4856168
its just sketching, nothing amazing, not everything turns good, thats what i do for around 3 years from zero

>>4856306

>>4856367
And done.
Pretty hard transition between light sources desu it confused me quite a bit and made it hard to see and go through the shape's volume.
in any case i think it's ok

>>4856354
based ngmi-kun blobposting

>>4851759
This anon here
I'm just trying to draw from reference. I tried to look at the more general shapes and stay less focused on one part after my post (though I already drew her head by then).

>>4856420
This doesn’t feel like constructed from the ground up but rather copied. how’re you analyzing weight, volume or line quality when drawing?

>>4856424
After sitting and thinking, I probably am just copying. I have the reference up on a second monitor and try to draw what I'm seeing.

When I get to some sort of angle/line I don't understand I trace over it on the reference to get a feel for how it's drawn before trying to draw it on my own.
I'm stuck in my head too much trying to get it exact instead of actually learning anything from it.

>>4856446
Indeed. So my advice to you would be to step back from anime for a sec.
Anime is a complicated style since it blends both decent fundies with simplification and style. For instance, they can draw a perfectly well foreshortened body and skullshape with symbolic features like the eyes and mouth that may or might not be in correct perspective.
It's hard to keep track of all their decisions so you would be better off getting human references and constructing them with a consistent method (vilppu would be my recomendation). Then, after you understand how shapes and 3dvolume is created on paper, you will have a much easier time learning from anime because you'd be deconstructing the process rather than the final lineart.

>>4856015
What mean?

>>4856458
drawabox
what's your mother tongue btw?

Give it to me straight, /beg/, everyone likes to say you're never too old to make it, but is it true? I'm only 21 but I feel so creatively retarded from avoiding drawing almost my whole childhood.

>>4856466
it's never about age

>>4856466
If you have the spark, you will make it.
If you don't you should either start at 10yo or have the ligamemes, the hyperphantasic mind's eye and the natural talent aswell.

>>4856459
Canadia

>>4856453
Thanks for the advice anon, I'll definitely take a look at vilppu.

>>4856480
Sure, and if you just like the jap vibe, you could combine vilppu with nakamuras website (hes like the Japanese loomis)

>>4856479
Indian or chinese

Here I tried to decide the shapes for the body first before drawing everything else, opinions? I still need to study anatomy and poses

>>4856410
Dunno who that is, I'm the guy that drew a Celebi, I'm a total rookie when it comes to art.

The more I try to improve and fix it the worse it gets. How do I get good at it?

Is color pick + hard round brush not enough for this?

>>4856486
Cool
>>4856490
The limbs look yo skinny
>>4856497
Nice

Can I be an artist /beg/?

>>4856528
>The limbs look yo skinny
Yeah I'm really bad at arms, Celebi's biceps are swole.

>>4856497
its a pretty nice base. but i would recommend thinking more about pleasing shapes in areas where you are unsure. for instance the 3 white lines on his left shoulder looks kinda just smashed in there. If you dont know what shape to make, its almost always better just to make the closest shape u can while keeping it interesting instead of trying to copy it exactly. Just my take anyway.

>>4856401
Looks like he's using a dbz energy ball not a match but I like the lighting

I HAVE FINALLY DONE IT
I HAVE DRAWN SOMETHING FROM IMAGINATION
now what are some errors I made from this sketch?
Do you anons think I'm ready to leave beg yet?

>>4854756
I love this idea! It's so cute.

>>4854776
Your drawing looks good for what you're aiming for. The face is a bit flat and the colors are bit uninteresting.

How do you go about varying line weight using pencil? And what should be thicker?
For example, I'm trying to draw tree roots like this, and with an even line weight it looks hard to distinguish anything. What would you do?

>>4855116
Next day

>>4856566
DRAW HANDS
if u keep drawing this kind of pose, you'll never leave beg.

>>4855311
>>4855415
Is it like this? or the other foot?

For the exercises in the 3rd chapter of keys to drawing, if I can't get someone to pose for me, can I just substitute it by projecting a photo or something on my monitor?

>>4856466
Fuck you bitch, you're only 21. I wish I started at 21. People who ask questions like these make me fucking mad.

What do I do if I want to draw something but can't find any references in the pose I want?

>>4856581
it's already a lot better like that yeah, other foot would probably be more realistic, but that would probably require too much adjustment in the whole pic (probably a different viewpoint).
It's now fine as is, you can sort of imagine it being in motion.
I know this might sound like a meme, but for you next drawings try to imagine a line of action, as that is also the line on which all the weight is centered/carried.

>>4855863
post work on IC until people start complaining about shit other than your construction.

New to digital and completely newb to art in general but came out with this yesterday. It may be bad but I'm finally figuring out how layers work.

>visualization isnt real
why do people gaslight me on this, of course its real
you either have it or you dont

>>4856674
skip cartoonisation until you at least learn the basics.
it's like trying to make a game without learning about algorithms. Yeah you might make a game, but you'll never understand how to adjust for anything, pose, 3d space, facial expressions etc.

>>4856675
>of course its real
Right.

>you either have it or you dont
Wrong. It is a skill you can develop.

>>4856689
there are people that are born able to hallucinate onto their vision and others that cant even think of a rock
most peolle fall in between it and you can only improve it marginally

15 minutes head construction. Fuck i am so slow tommorrow i will try to do them in 8 minutes max.

I'm afraid to use colors, my hands are shaky, my drawing tablet is literally a iPad Air with a fake pen made of a pencil and a tinfoil, and I use FireAlpaca

>>4855379
>Are you aiming for newspaper cartoons?
I'd like to do comic strips in some capacity... maybe webcomics. Besides Winsor McCay and Chester Gould I read some of
>1960s
POGO, Lil Abner and Peanuts
>1970's
Doonesbury
>80's
Broom Hilda
>90's
Calvin and Hobbes
>00's era
Sinfest and For Better or For Worse

>>4856696
All of them are terrible so you should be spending way longer than 15 minutes on these.

Ignore facial features like eyes, noses. Draw their heads as best as you can, include a general indication of hair line and whether or not the hair overlaps the ear or not. Don't draw hair strands. Block the hair in with dominantly straight lines and some curved ones.

Don't bother giving them numbers or saying which one is worst. Spend enough time on each one to make sure it's done well before you move on to another one.

Who put this idea in your head that you should be faster and faster when the quality is dogshit?

>>4856697
The lineart has little to no antialiasing, but the hair, lips, and face has a plenty of antialiasing

>>4856554
Good shit Anon congrats!

>>4856554
Was this from imagination? If so anon, fucking congrats lmao

>>4856701
Thank you anon. I kind of rushed to make them as fast as i could. At first my only goal was to get general structural planes and form memorised, it's not about making them look good. I guess i kind of failed at getting general proportions right as well.

>>4856554
Still beg but good work guy. Don’t get ahead of yourself there’s lots of improvements to be made there. But keep it up

>>4856542
Thanks for the feedback.
I probably got tired after 1 hr and tried to brute force improvement.

>thinking more about pleasing shapes
I guess I understand. Tried to imitate what I saw that's where 3 lines on the left shoulder came from, should have used smaller brush size.

Will concentrate more next time and fix some details.

>>4856554
grind more loomis

>>4856580
This, also >>4856566 Learn to think in 3d. Study vilppu or hampton for that.

>>4856739
>I kind of rushed to make them as fast as i could.
Again, to what end?

I know it's lacking in details but I'm wanting to make this a really nice picture. I started with making as best of a loose gesture as I could.

Can I get a critique on the lower body - hips, legs, and feet, and the neck/shoulder connections, and the head angle?
Sorry that's a lot to ask for, but those are the things I struggle with the most. I wanted a very relaxed pose and feel, do you think I captured it in the gesture?

>>4855939
>>4855941
Wow, thanks!
I can definitely see the hue changes and it looks really nice. Do you use a softer brushes and repaint or do you just use a tool to adjust hue/saturation?
God it's frustrating you can see the changes and adjust it like that to make it look better. Thank you and any other details would be appreciated.

>>4855229
>>4855257
Alright, follow-up question: the guy heavily insists on using pencil and paper for the basics, but I admit I'd feel kinda dumb with this nice tablet beside me. How big of a deal is it? Will doing foundations in digital bite me in the ass in the future?

>>4856841
Yep, I just use soft brush and set layer to overlay or multiply.
I personally like to paint everything at once. Some people like to paint values in grayscale or monochrome and add color after. I'd try out both and see what you like.

>>4856843
Just use whatever puts the least friction between you racking up the mileage. If using digital leads to you drawing more then use it. I use paper and pencil because I like it simple.

>>4856548
thank u senpai

Line weight in traditional. How do?

>>4856466
I think more people don't "succeed" at art starting in their 20's only because they often already have non-art careers by then. Even if I became a pro artist, I would probably make more staying in my current career. That means I'm limited to 3 hours a day drawing instead of 12+.

>>4856929
push harder?

>>4856929
Don't think weight, think quality.

>>4856819
It looks like a relaxed pose, and has a sense of gesture, yes. That's great. However you've included a lot of extraneous information (a full outline) and ignored the most crucial parts of gesture: the spine and relationships between the ribs / shoulders and the pelvis. Your drawing does not have a centerline.

If your goal is to go pose idea > gesture > construction > drawing, you haven't yet mastered the second step. You should finish this drawing (keep your expectations realistic and don't spend too much time on it) and then save it to compare with your improved drawings later.

After that, if you want to use gesture as part of your figure drawing regimen (and you had better) you need to set aside time to work specifically on gesture, and draw literally hundreds of them from reference (ranging from 30 sec to 5 min each), and eventually thousands of them over the course of your learning.

>>4856933
If by "succeed" you mean get a job, sure. The deeper you get into a day job the harder it will be to do the art career thing, but it's definitely possible.

If by succeed you mean get good, being in your 20's is a great fucking place to start. The issue isn't being too old, the issue is that the vast majority of people will never take it seriously enough and train hard enough at any age to get good.

>>4856929
This is best achieved with a brush / flexible pen (such as a dip pen). You can approximate the effect with a pencil.

2 hours for this shit. I need a finer brush and opaque white for proper shading

>>4856999
Why exactly did this take 2 hours?

>>4857002
Sketching it, painstakingly colouring it with a brush that is just a bit too big, outlining it with ink, fucking up the shading which is barely visible at all.
But I think the next ones will be faster, the first time is always a pain, huh?

>>4857020
>colouring it with a brush that is just a bit too big
Should've used your dick

>try to use hard round, less blending and high chroma to avoid muddy colours
>still looks muddy

Also this method is very very laborious - am I doing something wrong?

On the other hand this one came out good

>>4857025
Yes. You are using tiny strokes to build up a poor approximation of the subject, it's going to take forever and it won't be good. You need to use broad shape recognition and shape design to break the subject down into a simplified sense of form. You are not at the "shading" or "blending" stage of this piece, and you're CERTAINLY not at the detail or texture stage. The hair should be getting blocked in as AT MOST 2 colors in broad, contiguous shapes at this juncture - not painted as strands. You could approximate the skin in this drawing with a dark tone (creases and the shadow on the foot) a mid tone, a greenish mid tone, and a light highlight tone.

Work from the general to the specific. You're starting FAR too specific.

>>4856958
I've been drawing rocks and tree roots, about 3 a day aside from other drawings, and my lines look like shit.
I should use more shoulder, but apart from that I don't know what to do.

>>4857025
i think the muddiness results from temperature relationships being off. the skin color u picked looks too blue and cool. and like other person said use a bigger brush

pic rel is my work if anyone has crit pls give

>>4857036
Wow, this is a really helpful response. Do you have any tips, recommendations or resources for learning to see in shapes? I’ve tried it before but I lean towards over blending and jumping into details and the shapes always feel off
Thank you ‘non

>>4857036
This is asking a lot, but would you be able to demonstrate how I block in such a complex variety of tones and details as just 1-2 colours in the hair or skin? This has been a sticking point for me

How the fuck do you draw gesture, I just get stick figures

>>4856961
Thanks for the advice!

>>4857050
Draw people instead of sticks. If you’re drawing something and it is a stick, stop. If you draw something and it’s not a stick, congratulations

>>4856126
Looks like a zika virus child. This is what happens when you skip the Loomis

>>4857041
the face is off. her left eye is too big/wide. Not appealing eyes in general.

>>4857025

Example: Within just a few minutes, with just a handful of colors and a large brush. Squint at yours, and then squint at my garbage version. Which better approximates the original image? Notice the dark parts of the hair and all of the shirt are the same color. As you're roughing in the image, only add additional tones / hues if absolutely crucial to represent an area.

>>4857047
Replied below 4857093

>>4857093
Ah, you’re totally right. This is golden advice, thank you man. Any more tips you can share? How did you choose the colours to approximate and area, did you colour pick or guess a “general” colour?

Like anon >>4857041 mentioned, what is the colour relationship in terms of temperature- cool light, warm shadows?

What would you do next after you nail this stage?

Thanks again anon-kun

>>4857043
Yes. Start with 2 values (black and white) . Then you have no shading, no tone to lean on. Just shade, light, and shape. Look at Frazettas pen and ink works (he followed this approach into his paintings as well, starting with simplified burnt umber pickouts with a limited value range). Then, try 3 values. Black, white, middle grey. Leave color out until you feel comfortable painting with shape and limited value.

>>4857101
Thank you blessed anon
Conversely, what can your experienced eye see that makes this >>4857029 work? Kind of a fluke of colours

>>4856497
well, if it means anything I can tell who you painted

>>4856066
Please critique

>>4857041
The face is looking overall great for an anime style illustration but you should try to keep it more rounded. Her right eye is working great towards the vanishing point, it was very clever of your to make the left eye a little bit bigger. Very appealing to the eyes in general I really loved the pastel color scheme.
The thing I liked the most were the fingers because they look awesome coming from somebody with your ability (no disrespect) although the index finger should be smaller, kind of looks like you got the middle finger and the index finger mixed up, it used to happened to me a lot back in the day.
The thing that I didn't like was the hair because it's looking way too thin, it needs a whole lot more volume and/or movement specially if you're making the illusion of wind/ice in the background.
Very nice effort overall and on a side note try to learn some "contrapposto" for the positioning of the body parts.

>>4857100
I started with an approximate color in the hair and and one for the skin and altered from there.

Warm / cool aren't holding you back here, and barely even come into consideration from this poor quality photo under bathroom light (hint... it's all warm).

If you are serious about learning color, work with the "Zorn" palette. No reason you can't use it digitally. It's a white, a black, a orangey red (vermillion is typical) and a dull yellow (yellow ochre). Within those four colors and their various mixtures are pretty much everything you need to paint people. Note: there is no blue, cool colors are represented as grey and actually look blue in comparison to the warm skin tones. Warm and cool are relative, and when you're working in all warm tones you'll be surprised at how cool a neutral grey can be.

is it more correct to draw the edges of boxes as slightly diagonal lines, rather than straight? because i’ve seen it done sometimes. is it that 3-point shit, or should i even care about it?

>>4857113
I really like this method of giving critique and advice

>>4856999
Very hard to believe this took you 2 hours but it shouldn't be your main concern at this point, the main issue with your work is the lines because they look very sketchy. Don't be afraid to throw lines firmly Anon but if you find it difficult try different strokes in order to get the shape right.

>>4857117
I’m writing all of this down. You anon(s)have been so helpful. Thank you!!
One final question: warm shadows and cool light and vice versa, is that a universal rule when painting?

>>4857105
No fluke. It works because it's essentially monochrome. You could spin the hue slider and it would work in just about any spot. You could make it totally black and white and it would work. That's because it doesn't depend on color relationships, in fact the only real color relationship it has is between a vibrant red and a comparatively yellow / gray reflected light.

>>4857129
There are no universal rules for color, but contrasting warm and cool is usually done along an axis of tone, yes.

>>4855116
>>4856565
>>4856566
You gotta start using some type construction breh otherwise you're not going to make it. I know it's tedious but if you're constant and persevere maybe one day you're not going to need any construction.

Wow, yeah. I see what you mean. Thank you again, I’m going to absorb and try all of your suggestions and tips.

>>4857086
>>4857113
thanks for tips

how do i make the eyes more appealing?

>>4857120
just in case anyone thinks i’m being a schizbrain, i’m talking about making boxes like this freehand

>>4857138
dude boxes lmao

>>4857120
For easy camera angles (i.e. level) you can simplify people into 2 point perspective. That said, if you ever want to have that weighty sense of "presence" or complicated pose / angle relationships, you're going to need all 3 axis of perspective (and eventually at least a SENSE of curvilinear perspective).

>>4857138
Ah I see, if you're working on simple solids for perspective practice, do it right and do it 3 point. You need to build an intuitive sense.

>>4854502
Fantastical results Anon. Thanks for sharing your progress.

>>4857113
Blessed

>>4854214
I have a question on perspective.

So in this picture I have 2 boxes. But these boxes only share 1 vanishing point. My head says just add 2 more vanish points for the second box. But then where does that end? Couldn't I just keep rotating the box next to it to disjoint the continuity and then add infinite vanishing points?

I can't honestly fully express my confusion its just not making sense. I've been sitting at my desk rotating a block trying to figure this out. I may be retarded.

>>4856066

>>4857127
Throwing firm lines is one thing, but how do I manage to make two firm lines that are parallel? Practice? Right now I have to do it very slowly, which makes my lines kinda shaky.

trying to learn how to draw so i can make comics.

I see the stomach is a little long but can anyone else tell me if i am going tihe right path

>>4857170
Strictly speaking, a there are an infinite number of possible vanishing points in any scene. When drawing simple solids, we choose those which correspond to the "lines" of the object because those are the ones that are useful for showing depth.

When drawing 2 cubes in completely different orientations, you have 2 different sets of applicable vanishing points.

>>4857175
Lining is no joke. Inkers will usually rehearse long lines a few times in the air before touching the page. Then they do it fast, from the elbow or shoulder.

Practice dictates the level of success with any particular line, and it ain't gonna be easy if you want to do it right.

>>4857179
For me, it's the hips that look off and larger than they should be on the guy in the middle but overall is looking pretty good, the guy in the bottom looks fairly accomplished. I hope you keep posting your progress Anon.

>>4854225

>>4857107
Thanks, I guess...
First attempt and I was surprised how a few rough lines can make a person recognizable. Will practice more with this method.

New

>>4857198

>>4857198

>>4857198

>>4857170
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/6/vpsinascene

>>4857179
You're skipping steps. You need to spend a lot more time on basic construction / mannequinization before delving any deeper into anatomy (I can identify the muscles you're using, that's AWESOME, but you're wrapping them around incomplete and incorrect forms).

Also, trying to master "comic book" features is going to result in failure. As soon as you need to draw them from a different angle without an exact reference, you're going to be lost. You need to understand the underlying structures of the real-life features, and then you'll understand what the simplified comic book lines represent (and therefore you'll be able to A. make your own stylized features and B. draw them in any orientation).

If you're serious about getting it right, skip the comic eyes for now and focus on the structure of the body, head, and features. Draw them consistently, all the time, and then spend your non-practice time working on comic style stuff to keep you engaged.

Can I get some tips for drawing head?
When I start nwith a sphere I tend to mess up size and/or placement, and when i start with midline I have problems with the forehead/top of the head

>>4857218
Head does't look that bad. Tits on other hand....

As for head, maybe reference more. Maybe even trace a little for deconstruction.

>>4857188
Thanks anon, I will practice my strokes more

>>4857218
Definitely start with the sphere. Once you are at an intuitive level with constructing heads you can start from a centerline but you're definitely not there yet. Stop trying to be sketchy, your contour lines are all over the place. You don't yet have the requisite sense of form to accurately draw a person, so you need to spend a lot more time with simple forms (boxes, cubes, cylinders, cones) if you want to improve. Don't stop drawing people, but for every 1 hour you spend drawing tits you better have spent 9 hours actually focusing on form.

>>4857173
Thank you so much man!!

>>4857173
And hahaha yes it is. It's an obscure kink

>>4856696
Took me like 40 minutes to make this garbage.

>>4857218

>>4857260

>>4856581
The adjustment for the legs and feet is much better. Now it looks like the weight of the axe is being supported by his legs.

Just remember, after doing your initial gesture be sure and exagurate on top of it afterwards, almost to the point of breaking it. Because once you add your line layer it will detract from the motion you had before.

Where did i fucked up guys. Critique the fuck out of me.
Thanks.

>>4855878
Thanks man, appreciate the feedback and the fact you took the time to redline it. Would you be able to give me some pointers on the previous one too?

>>4856497
No one can recreate the perfection of Prime Arnold.

>>4857497
>both arms up girl
arms don't have much form and looks pretty flat. the right arm connecting to the right shoulder is too diagonal, as well as the right shoulder itself being too low to the neck. torso and hips are a bit too wide from the reference, but the ribcage is captured decently. the crotch is sloppy, causing the left thigh to have issues with the form. the thighs and calves need to be more narrow

>girl with hat
right arm needs to be tilted/pointed up a bit more to reach the top of the hat. neck is deformed but thats because of the complex lighting of the reference. the back to right shoulder could be connected better, as well as more tone to the upper back itself. you forgot the left arm. the lower back shouldnt have that much curve compared to the upper back. give the stomach more attention and have the right thigh curve in more to the hip. legs are are fine besides the right thigh and the the missing curve to the left upper calve

>girl looking down
very good hair and head shape, but the entire torso and waist is is not the shape of the body. the shadow from the hair causes it to look that way, but you can see more skin underneath the shadow. right arm is a bit messed up, pay attention to the collarbone connecting the right shoulder. forearm is a bit longer too

you're doing well for capturing silhouettes by themselves, but try to recognize and draw some of noticeable details the can guide you to the human form

>collarbone for symmetry guidelines
>upper pecs, even in girls
>armpits, i could never really understood them for years but it's the main key to connecting arms to shoulders, even if you don't see them
>ribs and ribcage, especially the falloff below it
>the diagonal split between the legs and the torso, treat everything below that as the leg even though it is still part of the waist
>calves, see if you can find the "big oval" in them

>>4857170
cubes would only share vanishing points if they are pointed in exactly the same direction. the vanishing point thing is good for draing buildings because they are all basically rectangles from above and all face the street so its useful. or if you're drawing a car, the whole car is a box, and then you can cut things out or add them onto the box to keep them in perspective. the 2 boxes on your desk aren't ke that. they have their own vanishing points. just eyeball it dude.

>>4857093
>hulk coom

Did this from imagination, something seems off. I'm aware of my shitty line work, I'm doing drawabox right now to help. Any insight?

Oops no picture

>>4854214
I need direction, /ic/
Lay it on me before I off myself for having spent my life drawing shit

>>4856346

I did these to practice figure work, I can already point out the ladies left foot doesn't really look good.

i need to work on my hand

Who are some good people to follow to learn anatomy to sketch as a beginner? Every guide I find online are from people who dont consider themselves artists/professionals who make videos just to make videos or expect you to be moderately good before even touching their content.

Also, why is Fun with a Pencil and Figure Drawing For All That Its Worth recommended so much dispite a lot of Loomis content I've read feel very not fleshed out or explained properly?

Admittedly its subjective I find it that way but it seems oddly difficult to get a grip on it.