/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Remember to discard all of the chinkshill's posts. The guy is severely mentally ill, and still believes a screencap of a line means something.

Is the S7 out yet?

This scares away Zhang.

@OP
you are autistic, actually kys LMAO

>>4842198
>chang's mad
Can only be good news. Still won't fix their garbage pens or quality control.

>>4842194
This. Holy shit the Chinese shilling is worse than /spg/.

>>4842194
>>4842207
Samefag.

Also, no one likes chinese shit. And yeah, the display tablets arent as good yet. But to persuade beginners to spend 4 times the money on a very average wacom intuos pro is malicious to say the least.

>>4842219
Idiot.

>>4842219
A used Intuos Pro is cheap as chips, stupid chink.
At the very least you're getting a functional pen with actual working tilt, and a tablet that's built to last.

>>4842225
Recommending used products wont work in the long term. You might be fine with handmedowns, but theres no reason to go with even the used intuos unless you own one. You dont really have a leg to stand on here, just spouting pol shit just signals how bad your advice is.

>>4842223
I too can edit pictures. Also, at least TRY to shake your posts up. Its as if you actually want to be filtered.

>>4842236
t. colossal fucking idiot and shill
Used products are perfectly fine, particularly when a product is built to last. The only reason why it annoys you so much is because your shitty little chinese companies can't profit from it, and hey, neither can wacom or apple.

Go on /g/ and try to give that exact same advice on used products, and enjoy being laughed at for the moron you are. The used market is exactly where savvy buyers go for the best deals.

>>4842256
Im really starting to think you have a genuine mental condition. Not sure if I should feel bad for poking at you too much now, but oh well. Thing is, those old wacom products have been discontinued. That means they arent being manufactured anymore. When something isnt being manufactured anymore, there is a limited supply of them left across the market. Tablets, while being admittedly sturdy, are depreciating assets. Those old intuos lines are going to be all but spent, and the new line is atrocious. And this is also beside the risk of wacom discontinuing their support to cut back on company costs/force customers to buy the latest line. Read through their annual report and have a good hard look on their actual outlook on customer relations.

https://investors.wacom.com/wp/media/files/investor-relations/2019-english/2019_annual_report_wacom_final.pdf

profitability above all else, which is unusual for a japanese company, they usually treat customers like gods.

I don't know about the other dudes here, but I'm Canadian, no Chang here. And I've tried the Cintiqs and Intuos in the past, and the xp pen deco pro is by far my favourite non-display tablet, and the iPad Pro for display and Cintiq pro 24. ( I use amazon to test products and return them if they are shit, the 24 is great but I've been doing fine with my iPad and xp pen and it's been better for my back personally)

The display tablets from those companies suck, I won't argue that as I went through that suffering. But the xp pen deco pro hasn't let me down.

I use both the xp pen deco pro & iPad Pro 12.9 since launch. While yeah, the old line of Intuos is very reliable but it's still USED. And I'm able to get a brand new tablet with ample drawing space; for $150 BRAND NEW. Trying to get any used Intuos at my local classifieds is overpriced and usually covered in neckbeard grease.

It's very disingenuous for you to make an OP on drawing tablets and act like a big know it all when it comes to them, I'd respect ur efforts if you were fair about it and tested latest products to back up your claims. Products DO CHANGE, and in this case the screenless tablet that xp pen made recently has enough of a quality that I can save money from the Intuos and spend it expensive fountain pens instead... and have a brand new tablet.

I have absolutely ZERO incentive to shill for any of the chink companies ( I don't do YouTube/amazon reviews, NOTHING) but for the value and functionality, the xp pen deco pro is an actual LEGIT option and it's really not fair for you to dismiss at least this specific tablet without even trying it.

I hate to see people miss out on something that is legit better than the old Intuos line, as good as they already are.

Autistic screeching aside, let's try to actually be constructive here.

>>4842193
I got a budget of ~$500 though I'd rather stick to around $200, in the US. what's the biggest with or without display (imo display tablets feel even worse than normal ones over paper) that's also reliable and accurate, also if anyone has experience with what feels the best
I've used a wacom bamboo and iPad with the Pencil, OP pic looks cool but again screens tend to feel like shit for me

>>4842277
read my post above yours.

https://www.amazon.com/XP-PEN-Graphics-Ultrathin-Function,8-Keys,Battery-Free/dp/B07S94Y7WD/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=xp+pen+deco+pro&qid=1599193070&sr=8-3
+
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-PA278QV-DisplayPort-Anti-Glare-Adjustable/dp/B088BC5HMM/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=asus+proart&qid=1599193062&sr=8-1
or any other color accurate monitor you prefer

Both of these combined cost $403 US; and the tablet is actually legit. I cannot vouch for any other chink tablet because I haven't used them, while I had this for a year and it's been a daily driver... The savings you get from this tablet allows you to buy color accurate monitors with 100% sRGB and 100% Rec. 709. While you won't exactly need this unless you are doing professional work, it's nice knowing that the money saved can get you this, so any other decent IPS panel can work aswell.

>>4842286
thanks I was reading it actually, it's listed as a Medium but there doesn't seem to be a Large, do you think it's fine size-wise? since it's a lot cheaper than by budget I might as well try it. I'm a retard and bought a GAYMING monitor (LG 27GL83A-B) but I'm not a professional so I should be fine anyway. I already have 2 monitors I don't think I should get another

>>4842298
medium is fine, I mostly prefer 24'' monitors nowadays but I've used GAYMING monitors in the past ( Anus rog) with 27'' and higher res; and medium works fine.

Try the tablet on amazon; and return it if it doesn't work out for you then just find a larger Intuos in that case.

You could do the same with the Intuos if it's on amazon or bestbuy ( probably easier to return).

Try the xp pen deco pro first and see how it works out for you, and yeah 2 monitors are enough. It's mores how much you care about color accuracy, unless ur an industry professional rec 709/100% srgb isn't important but super nice to have.

Just a nice IPS panel with good colours will do fine.

what would you suggest for someone at my skill level?

>>4842269
>Canadian
>not chang
lmao

>>4842314
should I be posting my penis to prove I'm not a chang?

>>4842310
ah fuck non wireless is a deal breaker I forgot to mention that

>>4842313
Graphire 4

>>4842268
There are more than enough in the used market you pathetic chinese idiot.

Again, go on /g/, on a thread like pcbg or something, and try to tell people not to buy used. You'll be laughed at for the moron you are.

>>4842286
>and the tablet is actually legit
Piss off you vile chink insect.

Total newbie planning to get into drawing, would a wacom intuous (non-pro) medium be a good choice?

>>4842803
It's ok, but you'd be better off picking up a used Intuos Pro Medium, preferably the 2013 version.

Anons, what about Wacom One? It seem very cheap for a display tablet, am I missing something?

Amazon link https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082LZXQ6B/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=ethanbecker70-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B082LZXQ6B&linkId=f7af5568a9ee05a086fd72cfe57b6281

>>4843008
you should get the 2013 version

>>4843030
Searching Wacom one 2013 only gives me results on a non display tablet, I already have Wacom Bamboo, older model. Just thought this one with display had really good price.

>>4843038
>Searching Wacom one 2013 only gives me results on a non display tablet
exactly, wacom one is shit. what you pay is what you get

>>4843038
this is the older version anon is telling you to get
https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Intuos-Tablet-Medium-PTH651/dp/B00EN27SHY/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=wacom+intuos+2013&qid=1599227450&s=electronics&sr=1-4

>>4843008
If you genuinely want an answer, post in the actual general. This one was spawned by the resident autismlord, who collects toys, doesnt draw and still feels he has an opinion worth a fuck. Check pic here. >>4842219


>>4811607

for real general

>>4843008
It's crap. If you're going to get a small form factor display tablet, get either a Galaxy S7+ or a used iPad Pro 12.9" second gen.

Any problems with the Cintiq 16? I hear something about the difference between normal and pro?

>>4843172
Non-pro Cintiqs don't have a bonded screen which means you will get parallax. In other words, there will be a noticeable gap between where your pen touches the screen, and the cursor in the screen.

It also has poor color support, whereas the Pro line is far better in that regard. At least both come pre-calibrated, unlike chinese trash.

At the end of the day, you'd be better off just getting a used iPad Pro 2nd gen.

can these threads recommend anything that isn't intuos 2013 or galaxy tab or ipad pro 2nd gen?

>>4843210
>>4843065
Just check the OP for the signs. These are and always will be inflammatory shitpost threads. But likewise, there will always be the actual general to consult.

>>4843172
The main difference is a better monitor.
Cintiq pro have better color gamuts and Cintiq pro from size 16 have 4k resolution.
The pen is the same but while pro screens aren't laminated they have less parallax. I don't think it's noticeble, honestly.

>>4843187
>At the end of the day, you'd be better off just getting a used iPad Pro 2nd gen.

Why? A screen monitor is a completly different thing, and also you will end up with a smaller screen for the same price.

>>4843230
>Why?
Because it's not a piece of garbage? All Cintiq Pros are almost guaranteed to have issues within 1-2 years because of bad quality control. iPad Pros are better products, and even a used model will last longer without shit like dead pixels, black screen of death, faulty drivers.

>A screen monitor is a completly different thing
No it isn't. They're digital tablets you draw on.

>and also you will end up with a smaller screen for the same price.
The difference between 12.9" and 16" is completely negligible. Size only makes a tangible difference if you're drawing on a 22" tablet.

Also iPads have Procreate, which utilizes screen space far more efficiently than desktop applications. Drawing on Procreate literally feels like you have more space to work with on an iPad than drawing on a 16" tablet with Photoshop or CSP.

>>4842193
What should I buy?
My budget is $30 to $40

I am in Mutt town, USA

Personally I don't care the size.

>>4843243
with a display tablet you don't depend on iPadOS, you dumb idiot, and the day Apple does some mistake with a mandatory update you're fucked, it already happend. And, of course, with a proper display tablet you have more flexibility in terms of software you can use.

And you can totally find a old used 22 cintiq at the same price of a used 2nd gen ipad.

Ipads are big toys

>>4843502
You really are a complete moron. Aside from Astropad invalidating everything you say, at the end of the day, these are just tools for drawing, and no matter how much you cry about your "flexibility", it won't improve your ability to draw you utterly worthless moron.

Also, guess what? Cintiq 22s have parallax and quality control issues. Again, being the idiot that you are, who can't even do basic research, it's only natural this slipped through that tiny brain of yours.

>>4842193
I can afford a xp pen deco 01 v2 or a xp pen star 03 v2 which should i buy and why?

>>4843601
A rope to hang yourself with, chink.

>>4843601
deco 01 v2

>>4843602
i'm not a chink you nigger

>>4843513
>astropad
Are you fucking joking?
Doesn't even work on windows. Let's buy a big toy and hope that when there will be full support there will not be any lag, right?
Also, let's pay for another yearly subscription, who the fuck cares.

>it won't improve your ability to draw you utterly worthless moron.

With a display tablet, I can use whatever software I want to use, I can use it with any hardware I want to use, like a properly calibrated monitor. These are simple facts that you can't deny.
And this also means that a display monitor can last longer.

And you're the one that should do some research. In the past, an Ios update fucked up the stability of the apple pencil. You're forced to do the updates, they aren't like Wacom drivers that you can avoid installing. Another thing you can't deny.

>Cintiq 22s have parallax

Oh no, completely unreliable.
But, Anon, then why cintiqs are still industry standard after Huion and iPad made their alternatives?
Because they are good fucking tools, you idiot.

Procreate has post-processing for both line quality and pressure.
Do you know a common bug of the apple pencil that can happen if don't use post-processing?
If you draw strokes too fast the software GUESS the pressure you're applying, because you're drawing faster than the response time. So, you can have big random strokes at full pressure.

And let's not talk about the jitter without post-processing.
And let's not talk about the fact that, again, you can't use another app on the background like lazy-nezumi to eventually fix this.

I know these things because I had a 2nd gen iPad for a year, I do mainly line-art and I experienced these issues.
Stop being retarded.

>>4843666
>Doesn't even work on windows
That the best you got, moron? The devs have made it clear an abundance of times it's coming to Windows later this year.

>the rest of this post
Only glanced over it, but it's clearly more desperate cope.

You don't need a shitty, unreliable display tablet to optimize your garbage skill level, idiot. That Cintiq you've been eyeing lately isn't going to stop you from being the dumbfuck /beg/ you are.

>>4843697
>Only glanced over it.

Ahaha, and of course you don't know how to reply, you little baby. Thanks for proving that you don't really know what you're talking about.

>>4843785
Why would I waste my time reading a long post from a worthless, idiotic beg?

>>4843601
01v2 for the solid build and reliable history. It doesn't ask for much from the drivers or anything else, very straightforward, decent sized, cozy.

>time wasted responding to trolls and offboarders is time you could be spending drawing.
>use what works for you.
>shill posters ngmi

>>4843786
pyw, both of you

at least the previous anon had some semblance of balls to post a shitty sketch

>>4844099
He isnt an artist.

Check the pic >>4842219

>>4844151
You're mentally ill though.

>>4842219
BASED

Why aren't there any american brands making drawing tablets?

>>4845010
Having the lazy and entitled first world workers make anything on first world wages and under first world regulations would make it cost a couple thousand dollars.

So my tablet can do thin lines to thick with pen pressure and all, but i cant seem to do Thick to thin lines' the line just cuts off before it gets thin. Is there something I'm missing or what?

>>4845325
what tablet?

>>4845325
and a ching chong to you too, Liu Bei.

>>4845345
XP Pen Deco pro Medium

>>4845325
>>4845349
Open the driver and look at the pressure scale. If it goes smoothly from zero to 8000 with no abrupt spikes - the problem is your hands git gud.

If it has a spiky behavior and say jumps from zero to 600 instantly - that a poorly tuned screw.

Tweak the tuning screw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8R3B9Wzcc
And you don't need to take it apart entirely.
Just pop the button out and you can access the screw through the hole.

>>4845445
Don't care, Zhang.

>>4845445
Thanks, its probably just me needing to get good

>>4845445
0 to 8000 is perfectly fine, but going in reverse it suddenly spikes.

>>4845010
not a big enough market

How big a jump is it from trad to digital? I've been trad for a year now and I'm scared my skills won't translate over

>>4846046
You just get used to drawing on the digital surface. It will probably never feel as good as paper or a real canvas, but you should still be fine.

The real challenge is learning the software and all the technical know-hows.

I would start with MyPaint because it's extremely easy to understand and designed to replicate the traditional workflow. After you've adjusted to the experience a bit, you can try something a bit more sophisticated like SAI, ClipStudio, Photoshop or even something like Corel Painter, Paintstorm or Krita if you want a hardcore, trad-like brush engine.

>>4845811
Try pressure curve too.

>>4846046
don't be scared.

you are already half cyborg, what's the one thing you have with you at all times? a smartphone.

this age is more tech driven than ever, it's an absolute standard to have 70+ wpm, and proficiency with a computer.

There's plenty of videos on how to use photoshop and csp, just throw yourself at these two programs immediately, replace ur mouse with a drawing tablet and only use that as ur mouse to get used to it.

>>4844961
says the guy who's never posted his work, u want people to listen to you? back ur shit up, pyw.

I'll send you $200 in BTC if you can prove ur not a fucking nobody.

>>4846349
Piss off you disgusting chink.

You've been told like 100 times already; posting work means nothing, because it's easy to just pull something off artstation, invert it and retouch it a bit.
Posting screencaps of lines in Photoshop or Krita also means nothing, yet your tiny chinese brain keeps doing it in a vein attempt to convince people to buy your garbage.

At the end of the day, anyone who does enough basic research doesn't have to listen to anyone here. Chink pens can't do tilt properly, they have wobbly nibs and the pressure curve is not consistent.

>>4846382
>souce: dude trust me lmao

>>4846382
I'm not a chink, a chink wouldn't offer you shit lmao.

cover yourself, wear a mask.

record a demo of you drawing confirming ur the op with a private YouTube vid

I want to actually see you drawing with the tablets ur suggesting.

$200 if you do this and toss me the BTC address and I'll send.

Back up ur shit, that's all I care about. I already have a iPad Pro and Intuos, but I'm interested in seeing if you are actually a person who draws and knows his shit bc ur on here everyday reposting the same shit over and over again.

I hate the Chinese more than you do, but I hate fakers even more ( no different than CCP trash).

>>4842193
What's the viability of doing this?

I want to get a galaxy book 2(the one with the snap dragon processor) because they're quite cheap on ebay
The snap dragon processor isn't the most ideal for for windows 10 for me, but from what I've seen in other devices, quite good for android and recently, Android has received a whole host of great new software for drawing, mainly clip studio paint and krita

What I'm thinking is installing some form of android or chromeos and use it as sort of a psuedo tab s7
I've done something similiar in the past with other tablet pcs(but with a different digitizer) and the pressure worked, so I'm sure that the S-pen from the galaxy book 2 will also work

Has anyone done this?

Has anyone tried a tabletop easel with adjustable height (pic related) over a table arm tablet holder for an iPad Pro 12.9? In need of something to keep the tablet propped up since my neck and back hurts from hunching and looking downwards on it.

>Budget
Able to buy a cintiq 22, though it would be a hefty purchase
>Location
United States
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display strongly preferred, but non-display is also fine
>Size (in inches)
Large drawing space preferred, with a minimum being 16 inches
>Other information
I have a macbook air from 2016 with CSP. Looking to jump into digital with little prior experience. I am still /beg/ but not as inexperienced as most /beg/ who post here. I intend to continue taking courses on NMA, but am worried I won't be able to watch along the videos and draw at the same time.
>Previous equipment
iPad pro 10.5 inch. Screen was way too small and the apple pencil cramps my hand

>>4846435
>a chink wouldn't offer you shit lmao
t. zhang

>>4842193
China bad giv upvote

>>4846943
On mac you should get something Wacom.
The chinks technically support mac but I heard people complaining about issues.

>>4846943
xp pen deco pro works fine on my mbp 16.

buy through amazon and try it see if you like it then just return it lmao ( I prefer non display; better ergonomics imo)

then do the same with the Cintiq 22

nothing else really, don't trust chinkshit for displays. never wasting my time with that. desu

>>4847582
No thanks, Li.

Is there really no other japanese/orean companies that makes tablets? Taiwan maybe? I never liked the chinks but OP's autism kinda puts me off wacom/apple/samsung's shit as well

>>4842219
do any of you fuckers draw or do you just argue about what the best drawing gear is

>>4848441
Ignore Chang.

>open 2014+ tablet threads in archive
>no shitposting about chinks
>actual discussion and impressions
seems like even /ic/ was fucked up by /pol/ and new generation of posters

My Wacom MobileStudio Pro isn't charging even though it's plugged in. What do?

>>4846894
I use one of those fox news shilled mypillow for a stand and it works great.

>>4848441
>>4848827

Its just one person.

You're posting in his containment thread though. Just check the OP to see which one you're in. If its ranting about political shit that has NOTHING to do with tablets then you're in the containment thread.

>>4811607

Real one

>>4849051
Fuck off chinese shill. Your thread was made two weeks ago and still not at the bump limit.

Nobody cares about you, Zhang.

>>4842193

>>4849575
>>4842219
How does it feel? :^)

>>4849618
How does what feel? Knowing you're severely mentally ill? Knowing that the chinese go to this much effort to sell their Huions?

>>4849628
You're out of your mind. You dont actually know whats real, its pretty funny.

>>4849633
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about your miserable life, Chang. Still not buying Huion or XP-Pen garbage.

>>4849638
>non artist threatens to not buy a tablet

oh noooo, anything but that

>>4849642
>y-you're a non artist!
I like how you keep falling back on this coping mechanism, chinese idiot. It just further highlights your sheer level of idiocy.

Anyone with half a brain can see how desperate you are to shill XP Pen and Huion, that's why you're getting so irritated.

Does Android have decent software support yet? I know they got CSP but I never really liked it on the iPad because they put in no effort to optimize the UI.

Is Infinite Painter still the best option? Samsung should be contributing to the Krita fund cause that's one potential killer app Android has.

>>4842193
I normally work with screen less. If I switched to display, how big of a deal is parallax likely to be?

I think most studios still use 22HDs, which supposedly have parallax. Is it something you just get used to?

>>4849656
Some don't mind it, some cannot stand it.

>the shill threads are deleted
MODS = GODS

>>4849650
Some people like ArtFlow.
Sketchbook is also decent.

superDisplay is better than any app on iPad for connecting your tablet as a digitized drawing tablet for windows.

>>4849672
hello where are the proofs

>>4849676
It's based on my personal experience. I have an S6 Lite and an iPad Pro 2nd gen, and I had a much easier time getting the second display thing working on the S6 than I did on the iPad with EasyCanvas.

Maybe Duet Display Pro or Astropad when it comes out will be better, but why the fuck would I pay a subscription for shit like that when I can just pay a one time fee for superDisplay?

>>4842193

I'm currently using a Cintiq 21UX, is making the switch to a Cintiq 22HD worth it?

Seems like the only benefit is just a bit more room and a normal screen aspect ratio. Is pen responsiveness better? Is there something else I'm missing here?

>>4849684
No. If it works for you, keep using it.

The only time you should ever upgrade is when something is broken.

>>4849681
no, i'm asking for the proof of your claims that superdisplay can work with all windows apps (or atleast the major ones)
because based on my personal experience it fucking doesn't

Would the XP Pem Artist 15.6 pro be good for a beginner? I've saved up £750 to get a drawing tablet, I don't have any experience using one though, would it be best to just save a bit more and get the Wacom Cintiq 22?

>it got deleted again
OH NO NO NO NO

Nobody posted Zedig's review? He's a professional

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuhmNeVigM

does the superdisplay windows drivers work on windows7? I don't have win10. And won't be getting it.

>>4849687
What do you mean work with all windows apps? It operates as a secondary digitized display, so it works with everything by default.

If you're talking about pen pressure, do you expect me to test every software for you?
I've seen people asking if SAI works properly. I personally don't use the program, but here is a webm of superDisplay's pen pressure in SAI.

>>4849706
>Thank you XP-Pen, for sending me an Innovator 16. If you want to buy one, click the link
DROPPED

any suggestions for art applications for a galaxy note 10 phone? I don't want to walk around with an entire tablet and this phone pen should be good enough.

>>4849706
Deciding between that and a Wacom One for my first display.
I’ve been burned by xp pen in the past but most of the innovator 16 reviews have been positive.

With CSP and Krita on Android, is there any reason to get an iPad Pro over the new Tab S7+? I prefer android overall and wouldn't have to carry around a laptop too if I want with the Samsung tablet.

Thinking of buying a Cintiq Pro 24.

>>4850040
Do you still not understand anything? Even after being fucked already?

All chink trash is the same. There are no exceptions. They will always have the same problems because of cheap production cost. All huions, xp pens and others have the exact same pen, with the exact same wobbly non and exact same bad tilt support because they all come from the same cheap Chinese manufacturer.

The new xp pen is getting aggressively shilled because it's new, which is all part of the cycle: they release a new tablet, send it to all the safe tablet reviewers who are guaranteed to give it a positive review, and have a bunch of people on social media rambling about how much "better" it is, and how there is no reason to buy Wacom anymore.

Here is the true redpill: all current desktop display tablets are shit. Wacom one is shit, chinkshit is really shit, cintiqs are shit.

You either buy an older tablet used, or take the portable pill with an S7 or a used iPad Pro 2nd gen.

>>4850040
Do you still not understand anything? Even after being fucked already?

All chink trash is the same. There are no exceptions. They will always have the same problems because of cheap production cost. All huions, xp pens and others have the exact same pen, with the exact same wobbly nib and exact same bad tilt support because they all come from the same cheap Chinese manufacturer.

The new xp pen is getting aggressively shilled because it's new, which is all part of the cycle: they release a new tablet, send it to all the safe tablet reviewers who are guaranteed to give it a positive review, and have a bunch of people on social media rambling about how much "better" it is, and how there is no reason to buy Wacom anymore.

Here is the true redpill: all current desktop display tablets are shit. Wacom one is shit, chinkshit is really shit, cintiqs are shit.

You either buy an older tablet used, or take the portable pill with an S7 or a used iPad Pro 2nd gen.

>>4850177
Think again, I used the 16 pro, and it was horrible, it has some gliterring going on in the screen, and the difference between that and my cintiq 21 UX was mostly on resolution, it felt the exact same, but if money is not a problem then go ahead and find for yourself, personally I will wait till the next gen of wacom.

>>4850132
Yes: Procreate and Artstudio Pro.

Csp and Krita are desktop software. They are trash tier for portable tablets compared to software actually designed and optimized for the hardware.

>>4850189
Just saying, the 16 Pro is not just a smaller version of the 24 Pro. They actually used worse quality parts for the 16 Pro, which is why the Amazon reviews are noticably worse.

>>4850198
I'd have a bluetooth keyboard + mouse with me so shortcut keys won't be an issue

>>4850227
Shortcuts are one thing, but there's also screen space. Procreate utilizes space much more efficiently than CSP, which many people find particularly useful on a relatively small form factor display like an ipad.

Also the Apple Pencil is clearly better than the S-Pen. Not that the S-Pen is bad, but the Apple Pencil is one of the best digital pens in the business and feels better to draw with.

>>4850189

Well it's either the Wacom or the Huion Pro 24

>>4850272
The 24 Pro blows that crap away.

You should consider a 22HD or a 24HD if you can get them used. Still industry standard and reliable.

People seem to like the wacom tablets.
Is the wacom Intuos pro a good option for a begginer? I want a tablet that is both resilient and easy to configure.

>>4850187
this is the same dumb defeatist bullshit companies like wacom want you be eating it's all shit bro even the wacom low end buy our overpriced shit! I hope you draw on paper then cause if youre drawing on a tablet with shit software and ui and glass feel, the pro's as you say don't use gimped software. or shitty tablets. Get what you can afford and move on from there, and keep drawing on paper. When you actually start making money from your hobby then get something better that's tax deductable.

>>4850297
dude if you havent realized it's just a bunch of shills then stick to paper any $100 dollar screenless tablet will do

>>4850307
I arrived yesterday and I don't know who is shilling who. Any recommendation about good tablets around 350/400 dollars is welcome.

>>4850287

So are you saying the Pro 24 is better or does it fall short compared to the Pro 24?

Is a display tablet objectively better than a non-display one? Seems like a natural progression of the technology.

Is there anyone out there that really does prefer drawing on a non-display tablet, for a reason other than budget, or just being what they got used to?

>>4850343

In my experience all tablets are compromised compared to drawing on paper, and a pen display just reduces (but doesn't eliminate) that compromise.

>>4850328
if you're a beginner just get something decent in the 15inch rangethe Xp and Huion pro are dcent choices, the working space is decent but not huge amount of desk space. I use windows so I have no experience on mac but decent they will work both well with PS etc, the tilt thing on any of these tablets including wacom is very personal approach and style cause I never use it. Customizing your pressure is basically the most important thing and there are tweaks you can use to do so. Also you need to explore your own workflow which is why I say start cheap and then as you discover how you work and the feel you want then invest in something at that point. For example i use the keyboard for shortcuts so the button on the side are not that useful...

>>4850328
Don't listen to the idiotic chinkshill. Its evidence enough he's shilling when he's trying to get you to buy chink garbage when you got the money for something objectively better.

An intuos pro is a great pickup, particularly the 2013 model if you can. Go either medium or large.

>>4850343
Non display is objectively better. It's better for posture because you're looking straight at your pc monitor rather than hunching over a screen, the actual drawing is exactly the same, and you won't have to deal with any of the potential quirks that come with pen displays, like parallax.

Pen display tablets are for people who simply cannot adjust their hand eye coordination to nom display. As long as you can adapt, an intuos pro is all you will ever need.

>>4850697
non*

>>4850697
give up anon, they don't listen, marketing too strong

I hate how only the iPad lets me draw on the side of my pencil with the overhand grip. I’ve tried so much to be able to draw as comfortably with a normal grip as I can with overhand. I drew every day for months with a normal grip and it is as if there’s this mental block that fucks me so badly. I cant even feel the form when I draw with a normal grip, that feel of being able to feel it 3 dimensionally goes away and it feels like how it felt before I learned how to draw

>reviewed the xp pen innovator 16 a few weeks ago and said it was worth the price
>today he only recommends a mobile tablet like a 2017 ipad pro if you want a display due to its portability
>for his workflow he mainly uses an old screenless wacom tablet due to posture concerns
>believes people are too caught up in the idea of getting a display tablet when a screenless one would be better for them

>>4850903
is posture even that much of a concern if you elevate the tablet so that it's tilted towards you at the same angle as a canvas and is roughly at your eye level?

>>4850928
then your arm is without proper support

>>4850343
>Is there anyone out there that really does prefer drawing on a non-display tablet
Yeah, I do. I use 2 tablets with roughly the same size, one is non display (intuos medium) and one is display (kamvas 13). While the display one is admittedly more fun to draw on, the intuos is what i end up using the most when i need to do some serious works with tight deadlines, since i find not having my hand covering my screen speeds up my worklow a lot
Pretty sure there's a lot of people out there who think that way too

>>4850930
why does your arm need support though? I just draw with my full arm in the same way as a painter

>>4850903
Also his art is total ass, fuck morondante

Getting an Intuos S as a B-day present in a few days, do I need to get another pen or is the pen it comes with fine?

I heard its surface burns through nibs fast so I went ahead and ordered some more, but I don't know if the pen it comes with is worth using or instantly upgrading from since I've never really digital drawfagged and glancing at its Amazon page offers another pen as a commonly bought accessory(though it looks like the exact same one it?)

>>4851346
You cant upgrade the pen lol. Just use the one that comes with it. If you want an upgrade some day, get an intuos pro medium. Honestly the more expensive styluses they sell aren't worth it these days.

>>4849690
Yes the xp pen is good for a beginner. If you end up sticking with art you can sell it later for a cintiq

>>4851573
Piss off chink

>>4851346
You could have gotten a much better, larger tablet for the same price or even cheaper. If going screenless you shouldnt be paying more than 100 dollars. Its not exactly advanced fringe technology.

how many nibs do you guys go through a week on your intuos pros? I've got one with a rough texture and I was going through 5 or 6 per week until it wore down a bit. Now I'm down to 2 or 3 per week.

>>4851663
Christ. You deserve to get ripped off.

>>4851665
Why do you keep pretending to be an expert in digital art tools when you're not even an artist? Are you mentally ill?

>>4851679
You got the wrong anon there. Buying new intuos models and having to fall for their printer tactic of keeping recurring customer contact through nibs (aka ink) is something that has been warned against so many times by now and could be avoided by doing even a lick of research. It is ONLY the modern intous line that has this issue. All the competitors (which are a sixth of a price) dont. The only reason you would fall for this is if A, you did no research, or B, you just have to have a wacom sticker no matter what. And yes, in both cases, you deserve to get ripped off. The only ones who have my sympathy are people in countries where supply is severely limited and they have no choice.

>>4851712
What's this nib shit?

>>4851972
The new line of intuos pros have been designed to have a very hard abrasive surface coupled with far softer nibs. This causes them to burn down within just days or even hours of use, forcing customers to keep buying replacements. They altered the design of the nibs so that the older generation ones wont be compatible with the current line specifically so that those with many old spares cant avoid the strategy. Of course, they offer a premium solution to the problem they engineered, a plastic cover for 50 fucking dollars that you have to paste on yourself. And it still doesnt mitigate the burning entirely.

>>4851994
Fucks sake why's everything a con now. I take as long as I avoid the recent Intuos Pro stuff, I can avoid running into this problem?

>>4852072
Yes, the old 2013 still had smooth surfaces, so if you're hellbent on wacom then used products are your only choice. Alternatively you could just get a deco pro or an h610 V2. As far as screenless tablets go, a plateau has been reached in tech and performance, so theres no real point in spending more than you have to.

>>4851341
that's right I love your art anon your're so amazing your channel keeps me inspired so much! Please post more!!!!

>>4852072
>I take as long as I avoid the recent Intuos Pro stuff, I can avoid running into this problem?

I'm using an Intuos pro, and I also had the older ones.

Nibs weariness was always an issue, unlike the other anon said, it's not something that came op with newer models.
Here an article from 2011 about it, before the other anon could spergs out:
http://3dg.me/2d-graphics/wacom-tablets-how-to-reduce-nib-wearing-intuos4

In my experience is something that you start to notice after months of use, nothing that happens within hours.

If you need to change 2-3 nibs per week, you're definitely doing something wrong when you're drawing.

I don't get how these pen's mines work. I've been researching and it seems like they worn out. But where do i replenish them? and what about the mines itself,are they specialized for each model of pen? i couldn't find anything that answers this to me

>Budget: 200 dollars
>Location: Argentina. Is that what OP's asking?
>Type: Whatever fits my budget,probably non-display.
>Size: Same as before,probably something similar to the Ctl 472'size
>Other information:
>Previous equipment: I've always drawn in paper.

Pre-ordered the Samsung S7+

>>4852128
Thank you for the clarification.

>>4852084
I was wondering if you could explain what issues you have with the Cintiq 22, a lot of people say it's the bee's knees, but considering the price I'd like to hear a more critical viewpoint.

>>4850949
you never painted for hours for an entire week, have you?

>>4851652
Again, fuck off you dirty insectoid. Intuos Pros are far better than your chink trash by virtue of having good pens and touch support.

Does the extra screen space of a 12.9 ipad really make that much of a difference?

>>4852291
Yes. Extra screen space always makes a difference on any display tablet. More is always better for drawing efficiency.

>>4852257
Non pro cintiqs have inferior colour gamuts and display quality. You might get a nice pen but unless you only do lineart/sketching youll have to keep swapping your pic to your main monitor to see what you're actually painting, and that drives me personally up the fucking wall. So if going display and wacom, youll get underhanded if you go for the non pro versions.

Either bite the bullet and take out a loan for a 22 pro, or try your luck with alternatives but youll have to calibrate those yourself.

http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?t=2469

from the horses mouth.

>To be honest, if accurate colour reproduction is something you really need, then you would probably need a device form the Pro line.

oy vey

>>4852429
Li Xiang thinks a better screen >> better pen
LMAO
Stop it Li

>>4852433
Im not surprised youd think so, considering you arent an artist. But no, you're wrong. An accurate display is hands down the most important characteristic of any tablet, for very obvious reasons. Its even more important than parallax. I wont bother with you, but if anyone else is reading this, if your display tablet has inaccurate colours or a poor contrast ratio the colour decisions you make while you work on a project will be completely off, and you wont notice it until you drag it to another display. Its less annoying for simple cartoon work with bold colours, but anything involving subtle hue/value changes will basically be bogus; youll have to keep dragging your image to your main display, check what it actually looks like, and then dragging it back and having to fix things in poor colours, then repeat until correct.

I’m scared to get a screenless drawing tablet. Is there a lot of difficulty moving from something like an iPad to that?

>>4852451
If that were true, xiang, nobody would ever buy non display.
There's nothing stopping people from using display tablets in tandum with proper PC monitors. In fact, that's exactly what industry pros do, because even the highest end Cintiq won't give you an accurate enough image, which is mainly because of the grainy overlay that comes with etched glass. Not to mention, most studios still use the older 22HD, with their worse color gamuts and all.

Now go back to eating your dog.

>>4852451
If that were true, Xiang, nobody would ever buy non display.
There's nothing stopping people from using display tablets in tandem with proper PC monitors. In fact, that's exactly what industry pros do, because even the highest end Cintiq won't give you an accurate enough image, which is mainly because of the grainy overlay that comes with etched glass. Not to mention, most studios still use the older 22HD, with their worse color gamuts and all.

Now go back to eating your dog.

>>4852454
Depends from person to person.
There's nothing stopping you from giving it a try now. Try an app called Virtual tablet; I know it's on android so I assume it's on the icuck store too. Turns your portable tablet or phone into a non display tablet for pc.

>>4852504
Im willing to bet that you're actually the chink here. You mentioned your mother working for the ccp a while back. Thats just sad.

>>4852530
This is what it's come down to, chang? The most braindead projection on your behalf? You're calling me Chinese because I'm encouraging people not to buy Chinese tablets?

You know you're an idiot, right? Should've learned your lesson when the mods purged your shit threads.

>>4852650
Thats just retarded jannies, they said it was a duplicate. Nothing new. And no, im calling you chinese because you must be, since youre trying so fucking hard to assert that everyone else is lmao. The only explanation is that you're heavily autistic and actually cant help it, or you're a self hating gook. Your opinion on tablets isnt relevant because you dont use any, and only tell people to buy what you bought. The only reason you dont want people to buy xp pen or huion tablets is a purely personal political one, so not at all relevant for anyone but yourself. I hate china and the ccp, but if they allow wacoms monopoly to get fucked, then so be it.

It's sad to know this weird autistic sperging happens here too, is anything free of this shit now?

>>4852779
Nope, nothing is safe. Since the jannies decided to leave us with Zhang-man's thread, you guys should seriously just ignore the guy and just talk about tablets.

>>4851663
I use the 2015 model of intuos pro and I make my own nibs out of toothpicks and weed trimmer line. My home made shit lasts way longer than the wacom nibs, its sad.

>>4849690
>Would the XP Pem Artist 15.6 pro be good for a beginner? I've saved up £750 to get a drawing tablet, I don't have any experience using one though, would it be best to just save a bit more and get the Wacom Cintiq 22?
Nah just go with the xp for now. No sense in saving up an insane amount for a cintiq when you're first starting out.

>>4852753
You really are one depressingly stupid idiot, Chang.

By the way, it was a duplicate. You were so stupid you didn't even wait for your previous thread to hit the bp limit. You're so desperate to sell Huions that you decided it was necessary to make another thread asap, and proceeded to get BTFO like the idiot you are.

>>4852267
NTA but I draw with my tablet as close to a 90° angle as possible without it falling over and I have a foam block and a squishy (idk what these are called, theyre like squishy foam animals or breads) that I use to rest my elbow on when I need to.

>>4851994
Yeah at that point just buy a regular screen protector for tablets that you can cut to size

>>4852801
You sure are desperate to sell those Chinese tablets, hey?
A used iPad pro can be bought at a perfectly reasonable price, and it's far better quality than any of your chink garbage.

>>4850928
It's fine if you do that and keep your back straight and feet on the floor or on a foot stool. As far as arm fatigue goes, take frequent breaks or get a foam block to stick under your arm if you absolutely have to power through it.

>>4852808
>>4842219

>>4850337
24 Pro is better in all areas except for screen resolution of the pro line wacoms (24 pro is 2k, wacom cintiq pro is 4k) and the xp pen does not have rotation support for the pen. Not everyone uses that feature so if you dont care for it, don't use it, or can live without it, I'd say go with the xp pen. I personally came from using wacom all my life and being totally used to the nice tilt and rotation to using an xp pen display daily and I gotta say I do miss the nicer pen but not enough to go back to wacom.

>>4852816
He asked about a wacom cintiq vs an xp pen artist pro. You should give your advice and experience with the two options.

>>4852794
>I use the 2015 model of intuos pro and I make my own nibs out of toothpicks and weed trimmer line.

Absolutely based. I did the same thing when my h610 ran out nibs.

>>4852816
Personally I wouldn't recommend an iPad as a cintiq replacement. It requires the apple pencil or wacom stylus if you want pressure sensitivity, and on top of that its a small working area. Its really good for sketching or doing digital life drawing. But I about drove myself mad trying to use mine for commissions. Plus if you want to use CSP on it you have to pay a subscription, and im not about that sub life. Having a dedicated display tablet that hooks up to your computer is much better.

any decent drawing tablets similar to wacom mobile pros that are windows based?

>>4852987
no
and its a really bad idea

>>4852816
>A used iPad pro
>used
>mobile toy

Enjoy playing angry birds with your gay toy somebody came on before retard.

Who the fuck buys used shit?

>>4852876
>It requires the apple pencil or wacom stylus if you want pressure sensitivity
As opposed to what? Chino pens that only work with chunk tablets? Wacom pens that only work with Wacom tablets? What a meaningless statement. So what is it requires the apple pencil? It's one of the best digital pens in the business, and about 10 times than any shitty Chinese pen.

>and on top of that its a small working area
This is the only valid reason not to get a portable tablet, but it's negligible in comparisons with 15.6-16" trash, because apps like Procreate utilize screen space far more optimally than any desktop app.

>Having a dedicated display tablet that hooks up to your computer is much better
Again, no longer valid with apps like easycanvas and astropad, or superdisplay on android.

An ipad pro or a galaxy s7+ will always be a better option than any 15.6" tablet, and 22" like the 22HD should only be bought by people who strongly value sketching with their shoulder.

>>4852996
Clearly not morons like yourself; you'd much rather people send their money directly to China.

>>4852876
>It requires the apple pencil or wacom stylus if you want pressure sensitivity
As opposed to what? China pens that only work with chink tablets? Wacom pens that only work with Wacom tablets? What a meaningless statement. So what is it requires the apple pencil? It's one of the best digital pens in the business, and about 10 times than any shitty Chinese pen.
>and on top of that its a small working area
This is the only valid reason not to get a portable tablet, but it's negligible in comparisons with 15.6-16" trash, because apps like Procreate utilize screen space far more optimally than any desktop app.
>Having a dedicated display tablet that hooks up to your computer is much better
Again, no longer valid with apps like easycanvas and astropad, or superdisplay on android.
An ipad pro or a galaxy s7+ will always be a better option than any 15.6" tablet, and 22" like the 22HD should only be bought by people who strongly value sketching with their shoulder.

>>4853039
What was it that gave you such a low impression of Chinese tablets?

>>4853039
Ofcourse.
Chinese workers make a lot more things for a lot less money. That makes them better and more deserving of my money.

Think about high end monitor speakers with planar tweeters, bose or sony wpuls ask a couple grand for a pair, edifiers cost only 350, and what a pleasure to have them.
Or a cellphone, 1200$ iPhone? No thanks, I'll grab a xiaomi for 300.

They have to work harder to earn my money, if you can't beat the Chinese deal, then you don't deserve my money.

>>4853074
>Chinese workers make a lot more things for a lot less money. That makes them better and more deserving of my money.
Thanks for confirming your allegiances, Zhang. You don't have to shill anymore because it couldn't be more obvious you're Chinese, idiot.

That would also explain why youre stupid enough to peddle the notion that "your money" is going to the "workers". It's comical how idiotic you are, chink.

>>4842193
Whats the ideal screen tablet size for people who are starting out? Is 15 enough?

>>4853163
>>4842219
idiot, idiot, shill shill, chang zanhg you're so fucking boring. You have the vocabulary of a 12 year old. You're also chinese. Im a white westerner so Im already superior to you.

>>4853063
They're American. They hate everything.

>>4853176
Cry more, zhang. Still not buying xp pen.

Why are people accusing OP of being a shill? Who is he even shilling for?
The pro Chinese poster(s) in this thread are the ones coming across as very keen to convince people to buy XP Pen.

>>4851665
I'll pay $2 a week for a nice drawing experience. If I wasn't okay with the nibs wearing down I'd have stuck with the standard surface or put a cover on it.

>>4853279
The way i see it is more like they're having vendetta against OP and then decided to religiously back up the thing OP hates the most (chinese tablets). /dtg/ wasn't like this before

>>4853279
>Why are people accusing OP of being a shill? Who is he even shilling for?
Op is shilling for Wacom and Apple as if their newer over-priced shit doesn't have quality issues, or isn't made from the same slave labor, when the reality is that anonymous artists should be discussing the actual quailty over childish brand-faggotry. Half of this fucking thread reads like a retarded /v/tard consolewar thread where a disingenuous shitposter is shilling outdated hardware on the brand first and not how it will actually help people looking to purchase tools to improve their art, when that's the entire point of these threads, instead of some hapless autist venting his personal political vendetta against chinks vs. people looking for real advice from other anons who spent money on drawing tools. This faggot shit has been going on for months and fuck the mods for not cleaning it up.

To those shilling Huion, XP-Pen, Wacom, Apple or whatever the fuck, please back up your recommendations with fact and legitimate proof, from actual artist via Youtube, articles with real review and comparisons, the same complaints, or else fuck off. You're supposed to be here to help people not spread some dumb ass agenda. Stop shitting up /dtg/ with this stupid shit.

>>4853459
>Op is shilling for Wacom and Apple
No it isn't, retard. Wacom and Apple don't make money from sales of used products on Ebay. There isn't a single line in the OP that helps the profits of Wacom or Apple.

You're just upset because it's discouraging chinese crap.

Free Hong Kong.

>>4853511
>acom and Apple don't make money from sales of used products on Ebay.
which is no different than buying chinkshit since it's garbage from wholesale chinese and indians.

>>4852987
Even the wacom mobile studio sucks ass. Anything like that from another brand is going to be even assier ass than the wacom. Don't bother.

>>4853074
IPhone is made in Chinese sweatshops same as xiaomi though

>>4853528
Never forget Tiananmen square massacre

>>4853528
I too only support looting and rioting if it's against things I hate!
Now say #AllLivesMatter next!

>>4853632
Lol I think they said that so the Chinese have to stay out of the thread

>>4852987
Sadly all the windows-based mobile tablets in the market so far are either underperforming or overpriced (or both)

Does anyone have recommendations for galaxy tab styluses that are more like a regular tablet stylus? I've had the staedlter pencil stylus recommended to me but they're not sturdy at all (some are shipped out broken from amazon or they fall apart out of nowhere) and I can't get them anywhere anyways.

>>4853642
Yeah. I was interested in huion's version of the mobile studio pro until they came out with the specs. Fuck no that shit is not worth that much money.

IS IT OK TO BUY ONE OF THE NEWER WACOM TABLETS IF YOU GET THE SURFACE REPLACEMENT THAT CUTS DOWN ON ITS KILLING PENCIL NIBS? IT'S A BARGAIN AT JUST $30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BETTER THAN CHINK SHIT AMIRITEDOODZ?!

>>4853717
Just get a regular tablet screen protector the same size as your active area you fucking sped. They cost $5-$10 and clarity doesn't fucking matter with them because you're putting them on a slate tablet.

>>4853279
Ok, this is the rundown. Over the last 30 years, wacom has had a monopoly in the tablets business. Theyve been able to price their products however they want, because they held the patents for all the tech and they were the only viable option. This drove their pricing strategy, shareholder/investor business projections, salaries, everything. But in the last few years, the patents are expired, and competition who are pursuing cost leadership strategy are coming in hard, because wacom hasnt changed their pricing from the monopoly days. And they still wont change that price because their entire company structure, revenue projections, salaries, retirement packages etc have been built around their high prices, so theyve opted to keep them and pursue the "premium" brand meme that apple does because then they can keep their paychecks.

Now, to give wacom their due, they have great pen tech and their pro cintiqs are extremely robust, well built and reliable. They cost a fucking fortune but you're getting the best. At this point in time, theyre still on top.

But for screenless tablets, far simpler tech... their product line just isnt valuable anymore. You're paying not twice, three times or even four times the amount, you're paying SIX times the price of the competitions same sized, same specced tablets. That is absurd. So for beginners, there is no reason other than maliciousness or shilling that you would suggest to purchase them over an xp pen or huion screenless tablet. The OP in this question is largely irrelevant, he's just some gook loser who uses an ipad and doesnt even do art. The only quibble people have is, he is trying to tell beginners who may be looking for intro tablets to avoid all of the non wacom options, based on nothing but personal political bullshit. He suggests instead that people keep buying the old line of wacom intuos that havent been in production in years, and there being a finite amount of.

but an xp pen innovator 16
500 dollary dues
used it 8 times
always used gloves
connected it as asked
now getting spurrating power issues
screen flickering
and other signs of a dead panel
im never buying chink shit again
and i wish i could get a refund but they are chinese and will probably try to screw me the fuck over
they wont even pay shipping if its their faulty product

>>4854158
I wish we had janitors that got rid of garbage fucking threads like these, this psychopath spends hours yelling CHINKKKK.

someone should update the /ic/ sticky with tablet suggestions from actual people who have them or some shit.

>>4854172
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303640121187528705

>>4853684
>huion's version of the mobile studio pro
I honestly have no idea who they're trying to sell that garbage to. The whole problems with windows tablets aside, it's too weak for studio/professional use but also way too big and expensive for hobbyists and casual users. The worst thing is, unlike wacom's, the thing doesn't even feature a fucking battery

>>4854158
Actually it's due to the push from competition Wacom released their cancer Bamboo Medium AKA Intuos non- Pro and the "budget" Cintiq non-pro.

They still made sure the tablets are shit and can't compete with their overpriced pro lineup.

>>4854158
>another long larp post
You act like any of us actually care about the OP.

The only reason you care so much is because you're trying to sell xp pens and the op isn't helping.

>>4854174
Ok Chang

Do you think the OLED on the Tab S7+ is worth the $200 more than LCD Tab S7?

>>4855110
It's worth it for the larger screen if anything.

Tablets with screens are easier to use if you're a begginer?

>>4854951
If you cant fucking read then fuck off, I havent got the time to explain everything to brainlets like you.

>>4854917
That as well.

>>4855110
No but the extra 2 inches are worth it.

>>4855173
One would think so.

>>4855204
Ok Chang, but i'm not buying an xp-pen.

>>4855390
>>4842219

>>4855173
They're easier to use for anyone who has been drawing trad.
Screenless is always better for people who successfully adjust. Most people can, some people cannot, some people just prefer the more trad-like experience with a screen.

The two major benefits of adjusting to screenless are better posture, and your hand/pen isn't blocking your drawing on the screen.

So for the anons with large graphic displays (16-27" screens); how did you setup your tablet+ monitor? Did you invest in an arm? Draw in your lap or at the desktop or jusy plug your display in, plug in a keyboard and mouse and just go from there? A family member gifted me his old digital art tablet display(s), but I don't know anything about properly setting it up since I'll just be doodling and possibly making some short comics for a local elementary school. I think it's a 16 inch Wacom display, and a 22 inch Huion and 24 inch Xp-pen display along with a couple of Wacom screenless drawing tablets. Obviously the stuff I can't use I'll give away or sell, bur for the display tablets I wanted to put them to use.

>>4855665
i just bought one of these, minus the mouse attachment thing.
its basically just one of those adjustable laptop stands that lock into place in certain heights.

its good enough. i just put it infront of me where my keyboard is normally and put my keyboard to the side of it.

>>4855665
I have the parblo pr100 tablet stand for my xp pen 15.6" pro and it's sturdy and I can set it to whatever angle I want which is great. I don't know how well it would hold up with something too much bigger than a 16" tablet though. Pretty sure its not going to buckle or anything, I'd be more worried about the weight of one of the really big tablets making it kind of top-heavy and falling over or something. Supposedly someone with a 22" has used it without any issues. If its bigger than that and has VESA mount compatibility, I'd recommend you get one of the VESA arms for it.

>>4855854

Nice. What size is the drawing tablet that you use with one of those? Ideal for about a 16" tablet?

>>4856073
I'm definitely going to invest in at least 1 Vesa arm mount for the 22 and 24 inch displays, since my desk is rather sturdy, but not that big. If need be, I could just get a bigger desk, if the Vesa arm isn't viable for my current desktop. I think the Xp-pen display comes with a rather stable stand, but the Huion tablet looks like it'll have to go on an arm, since it wobbles quite a bit.

>>4856094
Yeah I believe the 24" xp pens normally come with built in stands and those are pretty good, just a little weird to adjust sometimes and takes getting used to. And yeah you're going to want something sturdy for the huion.

>>4855665
You're so lucky anon, I'm extremely jelly

>>4855854
This stand looks like it’s hunched over a magazine jerking off

>>4855665
I'd love to buy the 22" one if you end up not using it

>>4855665
>old 24 inch xpPen
>the first 24inch XpPen just came out this year.

Lying or larping?
To answer your question, most tablets over 16" have a built in or mountable plate for a stand. Wacom charges like 100-150 for theirs which is a great stand, but there are others that don't cost that. Any arm stand should be fine as long as your desk and the arm can hold the weight. Otherwise, any basic 100mm Vesa stand should be comfy.

>>4842193
Does anyone have a 13HD and has taken off the stock screen protector? I'm considering doing it but I'd hate to take it off and then end up getting scratches on the screen and the reviews I've seen for other screen protectors aren't the greatest. If you've taken yours off how did it go for you and what has your experience been so far?

>>4855665
You'd have to have a pretty shitty or old desk for it not to accommodate at least a couple of 20" monitors. If that's the case just use one of the bigger display tablets as a monitor; both those Huion and XP-Pen displays should have enough ports to connect your mouse and keyboard to it directly, assuming you have a PC or Mac and are worried about cord management, while the Cintiq could just go on the desk. As an aside, you might want to keep one of those screenless drawing tablets if the displays don't do anything for you, given you'll likely get better long term productivity out of those, if you get used to coordinating the tablet with your monitor, since you won't be hunched over the display.

I'm considering buying a Huion Kamvas Pro 16.
Is it a good option?

>>4856294
>This stand looks like it’s hunched over a magazine jerking off

based coomer stand

>>4856523
Pretty sure old refers to all the other ones but aight schizo

>>4856626
Its ok. The stylus sucks ass, breaks waaayyy too easily. And the contrast ratio is bad, makes everything look washed out. Drivers can be a cunt and support knows about as much about tablets as the average normie and argue like the average Karen. Don't expect it to be spectacular but its passable.

>>4856595
A what 13HD? What brand?

Is XP-PEN artist pro good for a beginner? It has a display and the reviews are decent. Thank you.

>>4856858
Yes

>>4856858
Yes. D-do it, senpai.

>>4856858
I think it is. I started drawing digitally in march and I use xp-pen 15.6 pro. Feels good to draw on it

>>4856858
Just don't go below 15.6" due to screen space and ergonomics, and don't get the new innovator 16 (displays dim over time and that one starts out dim so it will shit out on you eventually). If you just stick to that it'll be fine.

>>4856907
I'm >>4856898 and thats the same model I have :) We're like tablet brothers

>>4856907
>>4856910
Is 13.3" too small for starters? The difference between 13.3" and 15.6" is 100 euro

>>4856937
It feels cramped unless you're drawing in a program optimized for small space like sketchbook pro, or a program where you can customize the UI quite a lot, like CSP. I hated drawing on my 13", especially in photoshop. I guess you could start with the smaller one and buy a bigger one later when you feel the need to size up.

What's the best option?
A Wacom One or an XP-PEN Artist 15.6 Pro?

>>4856991
Xp

I'm shopping around for a tablet to replace my failing huion.
I've gotten used to using a tablet without a display so I kinda prefer that now.
I'm currently looking into either getting a wacom
https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Wireless-Software-Included-CTL4100WLK0/dp/B079NWPZTF?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

or one of these XP tablets
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/2FD09C48-98C7-41DB-A2F1-DD5F6D69D514?ingress=2&visitId=6d3e4df7-61ad-4675-8377-a20edc144082&ref_=ast_bln

There were one or two display tablets from both companies that caught my eye, but I'm not sure if making the switch to a screen is gonna be worth it right now, I've been thinking about grabbing a second monitor soon, but a display tablet might also save me some space and stop me from doing that.

What about the parallax in screen tablets?
Is it something you can easily adapt to?

>>4856626
>>4856858
All Chinese Tablets are bad.

>>4857287
>huion trash fails
>still thinking about buying chinese
ngmi lol

>>4857411
I thought xp and wacom were both japanese

>>4857527
Wacom is japanese.
XP-Pen is chinese. They're a proxy company for Ugee to enter the Japanese market. They even have an aliexpress store, and the exact same pens as all the other chinese trash.

>>4857531
damn didn't know. The blurb they had on google mentioned them being founded in japan.
I actually didn't have issues the huion tablet itself, but the pens were ABSOLUTE garbage.
I dropped mine a handful of times and next thing I knew it wasn't working, so I got a spare and the same happened even though I was even more cautious with that.
Wacom's pricing seems annoying though, but I guess I might have to bite the bullet?

>>4857555
If you insist on a desktop tablet, Wacom is the only good option. Buy a used tablet if you can.

>>4857566
Is the pro worth it over the regular intuos?

>>4857571
Yeah. More space, better pen. 2013 pro is better than the 2017 pro.

A regular intuos still beats a chinese tablet though.

>>4851994
I complained about the barely existent nibs and rough surfaces as soon as they appeared but people countered with
>but muh drawing on paper experience!
Nice to see others see what it really is too. Some years ago I decided to upgrade my tablet and holy fucking shit, in less than a week of very casual drawing the nib had eroded to a sharp plastic prison shank like in the picture and the tablet surface was scratched to hell and back. The worst part is they've brought this bullshit on Cintiqs too, starving artist spending them savings on what's supposed to be a quality product and forced to use their ration pasta as a nib, fucking unbelievable.

Whatever, I'll keep using my Intuos 3 wide edition as long as it works. Still on the first nib after 12 years and they're full size nibs the tablet has scratches of course but they're barely visible. It's like Gillette all over again.

>>4857566
Wacom is brutally expensive.
I was thinking about buying a screen tablet and the only Wacom tablet I can afford to buy is the wacom one. It seems to be quite basic. For the same price XPEN offers tablets with bigger screens and more accesories.

>>4857623
>For the same price XPEN offers tablets with bigger screens and more accesories.
and shittier pens.

Seriously, do you think those additional accessories are anything other than gimmicks to reel in potential consumers? The only things you actually need to draw efficiently are a tablet, a pen and a keyboard.

If you get a display tablet, you're better off getting either a Galaxy S6 Lite, an S7 (or S7+) or a used iPad Pro 2nd gen. They can double as Desktop Tablets with VirtualTab, superDisplay(Android) and Astropad (iOS).
All the dedicated desktop display tablets that plug in via HDMI are trash. Even Wacom with their premium price suffer from shaky build quality. Chinese tablets are even worse, and don't even have good pens like Wacom.

>>4857287
Deco Pro series is highly recommended for a reason. Otherwise the regular Deco 01 and 02 are viable cheaper entries as well.

For Wacom a Used Intuous Pro is your best bet. All are comfy.

>>4857287
Xp pen is comfy mode drawing dude. Don't listen to the shill man he does this every thread. Xp pen is a Japanese company, they bought out ugee recently and took their screens and some other parts for use in their tablets. If anything, its wacom thats become chink shit and overpriced at that.

>>4857637
>Deco Pro series is highly recommended for a reason
Because you dumbfuck chinks keep shilling it.

All XP Pens have the same bad pen with a wobbly nib and poor tilt support.

>>4857643
>>4842219

Still not tired of it yet, samefag?

>>4857640
You really are one stupid idiot, Chang.

https://xp-pen.aliexpress.com/store/1910017

XP-Pen is as chinese as it gets. They even run the same Chinese scam promotions on their Chinese-Amazon page.

>>4857647
You don't know what samefagging means, Chang.

>>4857648
>>4842219

>>4857648
Just because it has an ali express store its Chinese? You know ali express ships to places that Amazon and their online store doesn't right?

From Wikipedia
>XP-PEN was founded in Japan in 2005 and began its research and development of graphic tablets. From 2019, XP-PEN is one of the holding subsidiaries of Hanvon Ugee Group, China. In 2015, XP-PEN Technology Co. was founded in the United States, while the XP-PEN R&D team applied its proprietary passive technology to graphics tablet products and the international marketing team began a global marketing effort. By 2017, through establishing good cooperative relationships with distributors in various countries and regions, XP-PEN products have gained an impressive market share in Asia, North America, European, and other markets and enjoys a good reputation in the industry. In 2018, with ongoing continuous technical innovation, the XP-PEN product line has expanded to include the Star series graphics tablet for beginners, Deco series graphics tablet, and Artist series pen display for advanced users, with sales to more than 100 countries and regions around the world. In 2019, XP-PEN became one of the holding subsidiaries of Hanvon Ugee Group.

>>4857660
>trying desperately to refer people to your severe mental illness
Still won't make XP-Pen Japanese you dumbfuck insectoid.

Even the receipts from the official website list the payment receiver as:
>Your receipt for payment to 深圳市荣基环球创新科技有限公司
>The characters translate to: Shenzhen Rongji Global Innovation Technology Co., Ltd.

They're as deceitful as it gets, not that a moronic shill like you cares.

>>4857669
Why are you referring to a wikipedia article? You know they're free for shills to edit?

Just the fact that they have the exact same pens with the exact same wobbly nibs as all the other chinese tablets should be evidence enough. They adopted the exact same "battery-free" pen at the exact same time as Huion. They even mail from China.

>>4857670
>>4842219

>>4857555
Nah you don't have to. I've had my xp pen 15.6 pro since it came out, its still running great, drivers were fucky for me at one point but support was helpful in getting it fixed for me and actually addressed the issue in their next driver update. I'm coming from using solely wacom tablets and the only thing I miss about the wacom pens is the extremely smooth tilt and rotate. Thats it. And given the price of wacom and how often I was shelling out money for new tablets because mine always broke themselves in a stupid way right after warranty was over (ever since the intuos 4, plus they shortened their warranty to just one year) I'm really hesitant to recommend buying one lately and especially used with no warranty unless you get a very good deal.

Holy shit you guys. 1024 vs. 2048 is over. There is no debate to be had. There is objectively ZERO fucking different to the user. I'll put it this way, with actual fucking numbers for you goddamn retards.

Between 0% and 100% pressure there are 1024 steps.

Between 0% and 10% pressure, there are about 102 steps.

Between 0% and 1% grey there are about 10 steps. Between ZERO and ONE!

Image fucking related. That's white on the left and 1% grey on the right. The standard, 1024 level tablet offers TEN MOTHERFUCKING STEPS BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALUES. This means your tablet can register the difference of .1% grey values via pressure.

So fuck right off you literal retards. Holy shit. Is control down to .1% not enough? You need twice as many steps? Are you a fucking robot? What the fuck are you drawing an painting that you NEEED to register .05% variances in pressure. You're literally potato fucking stupid.

>>4857697
>D-DERETE ZHIS! XP-PEN GIVE YOU 8192 PRESSURE REVEL!!

>>4857697
Nobody mentioned that. But ok dude.

>>4857703
>>4842219

Ok wacombro

>>4857703

>>4857634
The Galaxy S6 Lite is really a good option? Can you make professional looking pictures with it and save them in your computer?
I would assume a tablet specialized in drawing is better.

>>4857880
You can make professional looking pictures on a piece of shit released 20 years ago. Don't assume a tablet will improve your art. Tablet choice helps with efficiency.

The main drawback of an S6 Lite is that it's on the small side, but there's nothing you can't draw on it that you can draw on a gigantic Cintiq. You can even use it as a desktop tablet either as a non-display with Virtualtablet, or display with superDisplay. The pen is also far superior to any Chinese pen.

>>4856833
Cintiq 13HD

Anyone tried the S7+ yet? Still waiting for the redpill.

>>4858454
It's the real deal and a serious competitor for the iPad Pro. Better if you prefer Android, and clearly better value for money taking into account it's cheaper, comes with the pen, and has an OLED display.

The S6 Lite is still a very good budget option.

>>4858467
This.

>>4857697
Yes

>>4857575

>>4857927
Is it worth it?

>>4857640
>Xp pen is a Japanese company
Retard

>>4856363
Why?

New thread:

>>4858581
>>4858581
>>4858581
>>4858581

The ccp shills have been shilling their garbage on ic for years. I’m glad these threads exist to contain and disable their ability to advertise.