/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4849264
out of the picture

>>4849264
to the left
the vanishing point doesn't need to start in the limits of the picture

to the left and right

"where is the vanishing point?"

you should be able to solve this

I am probably missing something but isn’t there a lot or vanish points in that picture the two tracks aren’t parallel

>>4849264
This is exceptionally easy..if you literally can’t grasp this get a ruler and follow all the straight lines in the picture. E]go off the page. Where they a;l meet up is the vanishing point

the horizon line is around the guy's head level, but the vanishing points depend on which object you're talking about

>>4849300
Yes, could be several vanishing points in one picture

>>4849267
ok brainlet, vanishing points don't have to follow the lines of the photo. You have to account for perspective and natural changes in elevation. Nowhere on earth is it completely flat, everything is above or below something else.

>>4849322

>>4849322
you have literally no idea what you’re talking about
also
>vanishing points have to account for perspective

>>4849322
also photos aredifferent depending on the height and angle they are taken at.

>Fishermen and Bathers on the Aven by Paul Gauguin

If you don't use your brain to understand that Gauguin was looking down at the river from an elevated position, this painting makes absolutely zero sense. Not all art is as simple as boxes and circles, especially not landscapes.

>>4849322

>>4849325
they have to account for the perspective of the image, vanishing points will always be lines leading to a point, but a change in the position of you or the camera has to be accounted for you simpleton

>>4849332
are you genuinely retarded?
vanishing points are just how you map perspective, you literally cannot have them not account for perspective, because that is their entire function
they either map out the perspective or they are not vanishing points
they’re not some arbitrary thing that sometimes coincides with the perspective

>>4849336
>they’re not some arbitrary thing that sometimes coincides with the perspective
they're a map of the perspective for brainlets like you, you should already know where the vanishing point for an image is the second you look at it. if you have to "find it" through some rote mechanical trick you're literally not going to make it, because you're appealing to memory instead of thinking about each individual image.

>>4849322
Biggest brain i've seen on /ic/

>>4849268
>the vanishing point doesn't need to start in the limits of the picture
for the sake of art it fucking does though

>>4849322
OH NO NO NO

>>4849342
at least anon is trying to explain
in my understanding perspective is used for rotating objects and making illusion of depth
>>4849322
but fuck those redlines looks like random sunshine

>>4849337
there are no “vanishing points for a image”, you larping begtard

>>4849322
by god...

>>4849356
>le it goes off the page
>le just make up the rest
>le imagination
you have to go back
for the purposes of using a reference to create an image SOLELY based on the information given, my image was correct. If you want to use reference for your le epic imagination drawing go for it, but that's not the point of a reference image in fine arts

>>4849358
what the absolute fuck are you even talking about?

>>4849364
Implying there’s things off the canvas, or making up things outside of the reference is why illustration isn’t considered fine arts. For the purposes of a flat image meant to represent a concept there’s absolutely zero reason to consider things outside of the picture frame. Keep drawing anime, anon. It’s all your small brain can handle

>>4849322
This bait is insane. Top tier my man

>>4849367
holy shit. dunning kruger effect in full force

>>4849371
He's just joking with you man

>>4849367
not sure if baiting, but post some fine art where the vanishing points are all on the canvas

>>4849349
What the fuck are you talking about you dumb fuck

>>4849373
van gogh paintings have notoriously simple perspectives. Almost everything he ever painted was completely contained within the image, same with most post-impressionists and cubists

>>4849373
even paintings with no horizon, like the gauguin i posted, are painted with a false horizon in mind, and the perspectives are still very visible, all converging on single points.

>>4849372
I don't buy it. I truly do believe that there are some people who are this delusional:
>>4849376
>>4849379

>>4849379
>false horizon

>>4849376
you’re either going to retarded lengths to act like a retard or do you not understand what a vanishing point is

>>4849379
Bravo!! You truly are a master of perspective, I salute you! Truly GMI. Please teach us how the masters use the concept of perspective so that we will make it too!!

>>4849379
Unlike the other bozos on here I actually understand what you are TRYING to say, but you clearly cannot actually comprehend the perspective in this one. Pic related.

i laughing way too hard at both the possibilities of it being a bait or just a retarded

Imagine having Erik Olson explaining perspective in such a way that a 3 year old could understand it perfectly and still asking shit like this

>>4849372
See, >>4849395 is clearly a joke. There is no way in hell that someone could be this retarded. The other one was still believable.

>>4849401
I was looking at his nma course and it’s like 111 hours of video. Seems slightly excessive, will I actually benefit from this or is it unnecessarily dragged out to impress new sign ups with video length? Will happily commit if it will really be a game changer

>>4849407
What are you on about, you mean not everyone is joking in this thread?

>>4849410
I genuinely don't know anymore. I've seen some incredibly delusional people who didn't seem to be joking around.. They could have just been going for the long con though, but their retardation was very believable.

Maybe there is an element of punk in van gogh and the beatles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzy4R8EbWJ4

>>4849483
why did they remove the train?

>>4849482
currently watching a lady paint the painting with that cafe in it. get out of my head.

>>4849483
the perspective is still fucked in this, I seriously cant get behind van gogh, sure his style is unique, but he's just one of those artists that doesn't care about making things make sense and just cover it up with sparkles

>>4849322
You're right if you're talking about tilted objects

>>4849349
Pls don't bait newer people, vanishing lines don't have to start in frame.

>>4849322
epic

>>4849518
>doesn't care
the stars in this >>4849516 are accurate for the night it was painted accordng to astronomers

>>4849379
>>4849395

>>4849536
>implying you get different starts every night
It’s accurate for a period of 4-8 months.
The other anon is also talking about fundamentals and you’re talking about him jotting down a couple of dots roughly corresponding to constellations

This is the most active thread i've seen in a while, cool discussion

This thread is fuking funny

>>4849322
Nigga this is embarrassing

>>4849536
>accurate for the night it was painted accordng to astronomers
lol it’s bullshit
> The constellations are depicted with such fidelity to be able to precisely date the creation of the painting to 16-17 September 1888.[8]
>source: He writes to his sister Wil: ‘I enormously enjoy painting on the spot at night.’ The fact that he observes keenly is borne out by later astronomical research. He painted the constellations precisely as they appeared on the night of 16 or 17 September 1888.
>trust me, bro
>date for the painting comes from a letter to his sister
>the supposed dating requires you to know when the painting was painted in the first place
>still can’t even tell what constellation you’re looking at

>>4849564
can't anyone just look up and paint the stars they see? I mean if you want to be a good artist and don't even have observational skills to properly put the stars you see in the proper place then you suck
are all van gogh lovers just ngmi?

>>4849581
stars move and he was in a lit street painting over the course of several days during different times of night
the idea that you can precisely date “the night” it was painted is romantic bullshit and the idea that anybody gives a shit about the configuration of stars in a painting of a cafe besides astronomers who argue whether the stars are representative of an actual night sky because they have nothing better to do with their lives is especially retarded

>>4849564
youd best write to google art and ask them to omit that factoid from their tour of the painting then.

>>4849482
soul
>>4849483
soulless

>>4849264
You can’t see it since it vanished.

>>4849264
This is 2point perspective with serveral vanishing points out of shot and not knowing this means you're not going to make it, and you can kiss your drawings cute girls in dynamic poses goodbye

>>4849604
for what purpose?
if it serves to make art earn money from normalfags, I’m all for it, so long as the veil is lifted from the initiated

>>4849623
>2point
>several vanishing points
what did he mean by this

>>4849634
he means that the objects have different orientations and thus vanishing points, but all of them have 2
theoretically, the entire photo is likely to have a subtle curvilinear perspective that is irrelevant to our purposes

>>4849639
>irrelevant to our purposes
The brown train and the track curving to the left and the concrete to name a few is literally in the picture and doesn't follow the same perspective as most of the images. It's really relevant to identifying where the vanishing points (in this case points) are.

>>4849264
found it

>>4849669
the concrete isn’t curving
the tracks are physically curved to merge the tracks, nothing to do with perspective

>>4849264

>>4849693
wanna try again?

>>4849698
no i think i nailed it

>>4849693
Too low

>>4849708

>>4849508
it would be extremely painful

>>4849737
you're a big caboose

I think this thread legit made me stupider

>>4849714
instead of trying to eyeball it, actually draw out the lines

>>4849752
how can someone be this braindead

>>4849752
thank you for know the very basics of the farts

>>4849740
for choo choo

>>4849777
ok

>>4849793
i love how genuinely confused you guys are by the lines in the photo all not neatly going in the same direction. You can't fathom the idea that different objects in the same image can be in different perspectives, everything has to fit neatly into the grids.

And when it doesn't fit neatly you just say "fuck it" and hope nobody notices. Like I can see you're trying to connect dots and make it look all educational and nice, but you must be so frustrated that everything doesn't align perfectly.

in conclusion, ngmi

>>4849810
but it all fits neatly brainlet

>>4849793
I think the horizon is higher than that...

>>4849264
the "vanishing point is off the image" people really need to shut the fuck up. That's like saying "there is no god", bitch according to who, your dumb ass?

So the joke is that there are actually many vanishing points in this picture of a train station. Because the tracks are not perfectly straight.
And this is why the building and platform line up.
>>4849793
you will get there, buddy.

>>4849793
Anon..pls
think about what a horizon line is.
think about the height of the cameraman
also why would you draw the vanishing point of the small tiles in the corner of the picture instead of the main focal point?

>>4849823
here, if you need it spelled out even more

>>4849824
>>4849823
>>4849793

>>4849824
>you will get there, buddy
y-you too

>>4849831
dear lord he's done it
/thread/

>>4849829
trains have a different vanishing point
OP asked for one vanishing point

Why are people assuming one point only...?

>>4849834
you can keep adding lines to my picture but I think the point was already made clear.

>>4849843
that you don't know shit either? LOL

>>4849842
Begs and bait

Only vectors that have the same direction in real space will project onto the image plane to all point at the same vanishing point. This is why you don't skimp on the linear algebra my dudes

>>4849850
can you say that dumber?

>>4849264
Is this real, it looks like a miniature set but there's a person there

>>4849841
and the picture has a main subject/focal point.
its assumed that thats whats OP is talking about.

I think OPs so stupid that he is confused about the vanishing point being outside the picture.

or mabye we are all the fools for falling for this bait.

>>4849851
shit that ain’t parallel ain’t got the same vanizzle point yo

>>4849851
Perspective is taking a collection of points in a 3D space, drawing lines from them to the observer, and marking where they intersect a plane in front of the observer (the image plane). This is called projection. That's literally all perspective is.

If you have many lines that all point in the same direction (for example the edges of rectangular skyscrapers arranged in a rectangular grid, or square tiles on the floor of a large church), parallel edges will all converge on a single point when you project them on the image plane, which you can prove easily with math.
However, if there are lines that don't point in the same direction in real space (for example a cube next to an identical cube rotated by 45 degrees), you won't get neatly converging sets of lines. Shit also gets fucked up when you're looking at something close up because you aren't a single observation point - you have two eyes and your vision is only 2D projection when looking at things that are far away compared to the distance between your eyes.

t. anon who has no idea why people spend 100s of hours "learning" perspective

>>4849322
Showed this to my wife who just started learning perspective last week and she asked "what is he doing?"

These lines are completely arbitrary my man, stop guessing wildly.

>>4849877
so you're saying perspective is pointless to learn beyond basics?

>>4849883
bro, your wife spent the last week cheating on you, if she was actually learning perspective, she wouldn’t be asking retarded questions

>>4849897
It's a wife, of course she's stupid

I love you guys.

>>4849322
This was pretty good bait, can't believe all these people took you seriously

>>4849897
I'm teaching it to her.
Cope more, retard.

>>4849884
what I stated is literally all there is in perspective, I have no idea what these retards are doing for so long. 100% of linear perspective is a direct logical consequence of basic linear algebra. it might have required hundreds of pages of discourse in the fucking 15th century, but it's 10 minutes of vectors in the year of our lord 2020

>inb4 muh curvilinear perspective
instead of an image plane, it's a curved image surface. MIND = BLOWN

>>4849909
then you probably suck cock instead of studying too, because you don’t know shit

>>4849910
so u sayin perspective dumb?
me smart smart for not learning it that much? hmm

>>4849914
So you think it's just a coincidence that everyone that sees your image immediately knows you're wrong and laughs at you?

>>4849918
only if you paid attention in maths, otherwise you're a double retard

>>4849925
i'm an artist not a math nerd lol wtf is the connection

This thread is getting better and better. It's just
dumb vs dumber.

>>4849923
not even him, if you can’t tell what he did, you need to go back to /beg/ and take your cuckolding wife with you

>>4849942
>not even him, I just type the same as him and agree with him even though nobody else in this thread has, and coincidentally he stopped responding when I made my post

>>4849883
it was a joke,
this was the second one i did.
>>4849831

I can't believe this guy is seriously arguing with an obvious troll

>>4849952
>>4849964
i would tell your wife though, all art rules are man made, and all art is man made, so if you want to make art that doesn't follow those rules, or you want to make up your OWN rules, that's fine. But there are concrete "right answers" if that's where she's starting.

>>4849952
no wonder you can’t get perspective if you’re this challenged reading 4chan posts
I’m not the guy who redlined the perspective
I am the guy who made the obviously too close to home observation that you and your wife’s lack of understanding perspective is only matched by her lack of morals and respect for your marriage

>>4849969
lmao
Keep coping.

>>4849972
maybe you should spend less time being butthurt on 4chan and more time satisfying your cock-starved wife, just saying

>>4849975
hey bro can you stop being weird

>>4849975
Maybe if you say it enough someone will think you aren't just a bitter virgin.

This thread is so embarassing

>>4849931
the connection is my dick in your mouth, faglord

>>4849985
this snarky effeminate attitude is probably why she seeks out other men, you know

not sure if bait or just beg, but here is someone showing how multi vanishing points exist and how to apply on a drawing, years worthy of other examples on the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc5BmyGJUlE

>>4849990
it's getting almost surrealist

>>4849999
leave a like pls btw

>>4849994
Keep coping, you crybaby.

>>4849985
they're right about you having a snarky and effeminate attitude, you know.

>>4850013
i'm just a bystander, but I have to say that you give off a deeply unlikeable vibe.

>>4850016
>they

>>4850021
Then cope.

Thank you for the laughs /ic/

>>4850023
yeah they because I don't know if they are a boy or a girl.
Cope with what? Your lack of charisma?

>>4849991
>bites your cock and balls off
oops your connection got severed you gay homo

I like to imagine that one of these anons is a 35 year old serious looking man losing his shit while the other is a 12 year old kid

>>4850028
Cope with your own loneliness.

This thread is peak /ic/

>>4850065
that projection.
But hey, this is a great opportunity for you to get to know yourself better! Nobody likes you and that's why you are lonely. You're welcome!

>>4850081
why?

>>4850065
Oh and to not be totally mean, because I don't mean to be mean, you can actually become likeable, it's just the way you come across currently, but you can change that.

>>4850083
>projection
>coming from the guy accused someone of being cheated on solely because he said he had a wife
>accuses someone else of typing effeminately
>says "nobody likes you" when he can't come up with an argumen
0 self-awareness lmfao

>>4850098
This is just getting sad.

>>4850100
That was somebody else, I'm a different person.

I'm:

>>4849824
>>4849843
>>4850016
>>4850021
>>4850028
>>4850083
>>4850098

>>4850109
what's sad is that using tripcodes and names is frowned upon, when not using them results in this type of situation. That's sad.

>>4850114
Okay, then:
>projection
>accuses someone else of typing effeminately
>says "nobody likes you" when he can't come up with an argument

It's not complicated.

>>4850123
Then maybe you should go back to whatever subReddit you came here from.

>>4850125
that’s not an accusation, that’s an observation
you come off as effeminate

>>4850137
You have 0 self-awareness.

>>4850125
you're still confused about this? You can look at my posts to see that we never had an argument to begin with. I just dropped in to agree with the other person, that you have a weak pathos, basically. that anon who you were arguing left a long time ago.

>>4850146
Okay retard.

>>4850131
some subreddits are basically 4chan with downvotes and fewer memes. depends on the local mods.

>>4850156
Then stay there.

>>4850152
Feels like being scratched after playing with a cat.

>>4850159
What an effeminate thing to say.

My wife Perspective...

as a /beg/ this thread has terrified and confused me.

>>4850419
use /ic/ for laughs and maybe to find artists you like, paying attention to anything else on here is fatal poison for a /beg/

>>4850516
This, only just use the resources from here. Don’t take any criticism or ask for critique on a meme board like this.

>>4850516
>>4850524
this is bait, they want you to fail

>170 replies

The thread that exposed /ic/

>>4849322
can someone pls explain what these lines represent

>>4850541
exposed what

>>4850545
That it's full of stupid idiots that don't draw

>>4850558
there are only 2 idiots not understanding why the not parallels lines won't go in the same vp

>>4850570
I don't know. I'm not gonna read this schizo babble of a thread but the amount of replies tells me all I need to know.

>>4850575
Only <4% of users ITT don't understand how perspective works, if those numbers are correct.

>>4850543
They represent a mongoloid trying to imitate perspective lines without having any concept of how they work.

This thread is basically your brain on 'I just wanna draw cute girls' and 'fundies, more like funDIES'

>>4850830
Where's your work?

I hope this helps those who are genuinely confused

>>4849264
Vanishing points are a meme, true art chads only use horizon lines.

>>4851031
A horizon line without vanishing points is as good as no horizon line at all.

>>4849322
god tier bait my god

>>4849264
it vanished

>>4851976
It was pretty bad bait but everyone still fell for it

>>4849322
Kek

>>4850970
why waste your time in a troll thread?

>>4852327
You're wasting your time in a troll thread, too.

this thread has confirmed everything i suspected about the people who use /ic

hardly anybody here as an artist has any idea what they're doing. holy fuck.

>>4853098
fuk of to redtit fagot

>>4852374
I’m joining in the bantz and lolz meanwhile bro over there making an infograph like anyone’s actually retarded enough not to know perspective

>>4853102
no u