/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

making this in case this >>4843464 gets deleted for politics

>>4843612
yep, all according to keikaku, now post your drawings /beg/

>>4843631
Dios mio

bit of more than i could chew with this one, not happy with it but thought id post anyways

>>4843695
this was my attempt from about a month ago

>>4843700
you got a lot more accurate on the shapes compared to before, try working on transition of the edges next

>>4843707
yeah i havent got a single clue about mixing or blending or whatever it is, just trying to learn simple shapes and value atm

>>4843587
Hell yeah. Draw more of that. (dupe)

Attempted Loomis heads facing front. I'm really wondering how I can fix and improve these because they feel like they should be piss easy but I can't get them right.

The Picasso drawing on stick: do I draw it upside down (like it is there) or head up?

>>4843781
upside down

>>4843781
picture right way up but you stand on your head and then draw it

Reposted from the thread before last.
Started doing figure studies from reference and gesture studies the other day Both drawings are two days apart with semi realistic being the first figure study i've done in a while, and the later one being more focus on gesture and maintaining my style. Would love some criticism.

Next batch of 10 minute Hampton poses. I think I am getting worse and worse every day. Running one was completely from imagination

>>4843847
proportions are off

i failed at the lion, i dont get his style

can you do values with a mechanical pencil?

>>4843949
sure why not?

>>4843949
you can do values with an ink pen

/ic/ really is dead, so fucking slow

>>4843859
Very nice

Is it a good idea to finish most of my works as a complete beginner, including rendering, or should I just do a shitton of rough sketches like most here do?

>>4844041
back to /v/

>>4844049
I'd say you can keep your practice as sketches depending on what you're studying, but finish the non-study art. It'll help you develop multiple skills very gradually in addition to the actual practice you're getting.

>>4843949
You can do values with just about anything. If you find even values too difficult with such a fine point then it's a great time to practice hatching.

>>4844045
you like it?
what do you like about it

>>4844065
I like the high contrast with the black and white. It reminds me of the sketches various scientists have done of animals and plants. It also seems to be done a good amount from what was seen rather than from symbol drawing.

>>4844102
it's strange that you say that I seem to be drawing what was seen because in this case i was attempting to draw a unique flower using reference rather than drawing what I saw in the reference. I don't know how helpful tips is as an exercise but it feels a bit more helpful than just copying outright. what do you think? is this a good way to go about this?

>>4844123
I'd recommend copying the subject just as it is first and then drawing something that you came up on your own from what you picked up. This would be like copying how your math teacher does the type of problem first, and then doing a different one all on your own. I think it'd help you retain more of the original information from the references as opposed to just making your own outright.

>>4843859
>/2020/09
????

>>4844139
i did the date wrong. i know it's supposed to be dd/mm/yyyy, i was just gormless and tired when I dated it. i like to do it in case at some point I end up benefitting from my very limited daily practice, and I can look back over it and measure how much ground was covered between here and where I want to be.

>>4844148
silly goose

>>4844148
yyyymmdd is better for file management

>>4843611

>>4843741
First of all learn to draw a circle and sketch lightly.

Also your drawings have no sense of form or space, Do the exercises in pic related to improve your loomis heeds.

Alright so I just finished touching this up and I'm gonna try to move onto the next. I know its shit and I got the perspective + shading off, but its my first time so forgive me. Im also sorry because I saved the other anons reply to me and pasted it into the actual program just so I could read the note and apply it, however the file became corrupted shortly after and I lost the reply... Still moving forward and onwards though

>>4844228
You need some harder edges, its all so soft. People meme with hard round brush but you should block it in with one and then you can partially blend after.

>>4844248
yeah I want to find the hard round brush but idk where it is ;-;

>>4844266
CSP?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SE5fReLPoo

>>4844271
thanks! Just got the brush and am goin to try it on this next piece

So what is a good way to start doing more appropriate hair referencing? For cartooning really.

>>4844212
what book is this from?

>>4843741
heads part two. these were done not long after the first ones

>>4844212
thanks. I'll get on this tomorrow

>>4843611
>that image

Tried to get better at lineart and colors/shadows. What could have been better?

>>4844472
Try to hue shift when picking colors for shadows and stop pillow shading. The really saturated and bright background calls a lot more attention than your desaturated character. Fix her right hand. Keep at it anon, rootin for you

>>4844481
Im really beg with colors, so I didnt understand half the stuff you said, so I just probably need to study colors more. Btw thank you lad, the hand is kinda made on purpose like that, I liked it and it stayed that way.

>>4844488
I think that pic related is a good example of cell shading used in more cartoony art.
Notice:
>The darker colors used to shade arent a darker or more black of the original color. They're more purple. You can be more subtle, but doing a directly darker color to shade doesn't look good.
>The shading isn't just around the edges like yours. Understanding that your character is a 3d object with depth helps you understand how light interact with the light source.

Just try to have fun and be creative with it. Best of luck to you anon.

>>4844506
Yeah I read about the pillow shading thing, I should start understanding how the light affects the characters, guess I'm scared to mess up and just did on the edges. Talking about shadows, I do them with pure black and then reduce the opacity of the layer, but I maybe I should change that.

>>4844512
You'll instantly graduate from some beg traits if you stop doing both of those. Practice values and more interesting colors and your art will look miles better.

>>4844520
Thanks dude, really appreciated your help.

>>4844557
No problem anon. I recommend making it a part of your routine to look at good art that you'd like to emulate. Look at specifically what they do that's different from yours and essentially steal it from them without making it obvious.

Must’ve redone her face eight times.

hahaahhahahhahhahaha I FAILED AGAIN

>>4844665
Just keep at it anon. Think about what you could do to make it better next time and move on. Getting hung up on it only hurts you unnecessarily.

Are there any good YouTube tutorials on drawing like concept art (people)?

Complete /beg/ here, tried drawing huge milkers from memory. Do I have any talent?

>>4844764
I am the huge milkers inspector and yes, you do have the talent.
Now just keep grinding.

>>4844312

>>4843611
That image is soul as fuck

>>4844818
of course it is
i made it

bros am i supposed to get a specific type of sketchbook if I'm using fineliners? I shouldn't just use any random one right?? Like there's mixed media, wet media, etc I just realized. FUCK

>>4844777
Thanks milker inspector, nice trips btw

how do i reach this level of line control?
more importantly, how do i learn to make backgrounds like this

>>4844869
forgot video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLgvuIzwcU&t=591s

It's been a while /ic/.
I haven't been drawing for weeks now, and I lost all my gains (what was left of it anyway).
I'm trying to get back a feel for it.
Any practices you anons recommend for my situation?

>>4844131
>>4844160
i'll bear that in mind. thank you

is there such a thing as spending to much on something

>>4844883
Just draw whatever. You’re gonna be forcing it and having trouble warming up but after a couple hours you’ll be back in the groove.

>>4843631
>jpg
why

>>4844924
better get back to drawing some more I guess..
any critique on the pic?

im actually gonna take the proportions advice seriously now so tell me whats wrong with this i can sense theres something wrong with it but cant tell what it is. and please constructive advice.

I got some art inspiration tonight watching Made in Abyss fanart and finished it. >>4834750
but bros, I think I turned her into a loli by accident. Meh I like how she looks.

>>4844994
Alternate artwork

>>4844974
looking back at this, ear is obviously too big, but is the hairline too high? should the forehead be smaller?

>>4844974
this is better right?

>>4845021
just a tip: lower the opacity on the brush while sketching

>>4845023
i usually just manually lower the opacity from layer settings on photoshop when i draw on top of it

First time I’ve really tried for a background. It’s ... incomprehensible.

>>4843812
aside the popeyes arm (on the big eyed one) it is nice

>>4845021
update

inb4 noooooooo you cant just erase the guide lines and use the sketch in your final work

yes i can

I got a drawing tablet just to know what the all fuss is about. Could not draw a single thing on the tablet. It is fucking hard to control your lines and to make it do what do you want. How do you guys adjust to that?

>>4845151
personally i have the tablet where the mouse is. and its like old people learning how to use a mouse, you just have to get used to it. quick way i learned was to use the pen when on pc instead of a mouse.

>>4844869
>how do i reach this level of line control?
years and years of practising the craft, its craftsman ship and just takes time, of course you can do practice like peter hans sort of exercises but honestly its just mileage

>>4844764
Those are some nice big milkers anon.
Keep at it.

I hate learning to draw the figure. Should I give up?

>>4845272
Yes

>>4845126
done :)

>>4845272
Maybe you're meant to draw other things. Still life. Vases. Fruit. Animals? Maybe more abstract work.

>>4845126
>inb4 noooooooo you cant just erase the guide lines and use the sketch in your final work
No rules, only tools!

>>4845272
Sometimes it doesnt click, try drawing some other stuff to build up some momentum.

>>4844764
You're clearly feeling the form keep it up

>>4845126
Rules are for crabs, not for chads.

>>4845274
hair too small, ear too small

>>4843812
Very nice, could be straight out of a manga from the 80s.

>>4845272
Depends. Do you want to learn? After realizing how much I want to draw beautiful young himbos getting railed and degraded and in compromising positions, my desire to draw the male form arose. I found handsome examples which also helped, a la a few beautiful old roman statues. So find your inspiration!

>>4845292
its w/e

>>4845064
I think the problem is you gave up before you really started. It communicates what you were going for pretty well but you didn't put any effort in.

>>4845305
well no its not whatever, youve cut off half the brain lol it looks ridiculous

>>4845315
>its not whatever
yes its whatever. i thank you for your advice, i see the skull is too small but im not going to back to fix it because im done drawing for the day. for me it is good enough as it is and ill be more accurate in my next drawing.

>>4845327
oh yeah i dont mean go fix it, i thought you meant whatever in general rather than talking specifically about the picture, as you said move on but just keep it in mind for future, a lot of people cut off back of head its a common mistake

>>4845305
this fucking guy...

>>4844859
you're welcome

I would advise anyone here who isn't a bot to just bail out. No one actually responds. it's just auto posting. It's identical to the thread 3 weeks ago.

>>4845382
I'm here right now.

>>4845389
I suggest you leave.

>>4845382
Hello fellow human!

>>4845382
loomis hard round brush pyw ngmi

Because I eventually learn lots of different styles, e.g. realistic portrait and figure drawing, digital, anime, etc. i couldn't decide on which resources to use for ages.

Then decided I should start with the goal for first being able to draw accurate still life.

So after seeing basic 3d forms and shapes being mentioned on nearly every course and book, I decided to draw a can on my desk.

But it seems nearly impossible to get proportions correct, even when trying to measure with a pencil and practicing ellipses etc.

Is there any book or course that goes into these basic skills such as accuracy and proportions, and emphasize that first?

I think I have this image pretty well set up at this point. It's taken me fucking days. How do I take this to a completed image/what do you guys think needs to be worked on?

Usually when I render things, I just go to another layer, switch to a brush that has Size Pressure and just go over the lines the best I can, then fill in the parts with color/greyscale and add in shadows and shit, but when I do this, I don't like how they turn out. Sorry if that's vague.

i just recently got into painting digitally, and the only brush i seem to excel with is the hard round brush along with occasional blending, but i keep seeing something about the "hard round brush meme"

should i not be using it?

>>4845411
learn to render a sphere first

>>4845424
What do you mean by this specifically?

>>4845403
keys to drawing/ read sticky

>>4845421
no its the opposite, you should be using it

>>4845421
Hard round brush is unironically good when paired with proper blending and knowledge.

>>4845411
Maybe use better composition, have less negative space. For example, make the full body take up the whole canvas and put the heads in proper, smaller panels.

>>4845382
>because faggots don't give a shit about my trash it must be bots
>also i don't give a shit about others' work. Why would i? They're shit and i don't care

pls critique. i havent shaded in a long time, isit good?

Fuck it boys should i make a sparks liner high comic

>>4845435
I know this place is full of bots, because I've been giving advice for 3 straight months without a single response.

Funny enough it's when I accuse the place of bots the admins come out of the woodworks.

>>4845493
I mean, im not a bot. I just want some advice man :(

>>4845489
i don't know what that is but yes

>>4845501
What do you want advice on?

>>4845493
Peak narcissist.
You're just expecting someone to praise you for giving out advice so you can feel better about yourself.
Go draw or join a hugbox.

>>4845509
I'd rather join a fucking hugbox at this moment, because at least they fucking talk about their art instead of the ERP they just finished faggot.

>>4845514
ok bye, retard.

>>4845217
well yeah but what direction do i improve in

>>4845432
>Maybe use better composition, have less negative space.
Some of the negative space is going to be taken up by text but I see where you're coming from. I just don't want to make the heads any smaller because I worked so hard on them and I dunno where I'd put them instead

>>4845505
the hands, the way i shade, the anatomy overall. i tweaked my art a bit.

>>4845272
figure drawing goes a long way but its not the only thing you need to draw
draw what you like. if its people you might want to give up. or maybe you can go nuts and draw people made out of bold shapes or some cartoon stuff

>>4845521
you draw and your craftsmanship just improves with mileage thats all

>"this drawing looks pretty good but it's not a great likeness. Maybe the nose is a little too long?"
>overlay

AHHHHHHH

>>4845532
Why do you care so much about this? You don't need to replicate it exactly anon.

>>4845532
I dont think you could possibly copy it 1:1 just from eyeballing it.

1st time trying to color digitally... How garbage is it, so far?

>>4845541
Looks gay af

>>4845531

thats only partially true
you can be drawing chicken scratch your entire life but that doesn't really change until someone tells you not to do that. whats the "stop doing chicken scratch" moment for this

>>4845544
just do peter han anon

>>4845543
I know, he sexy.

>>4845522
Maybe something like this? Just do something to make the fullbody more of a focus

>>4845524
The proportions and form are very much off. It looks like you drew the shirt and pants while doing the body when you'd benefit from drawing the body first and the clothes after. You need to practice anatomy and linework.

>>4845549
thanks

>>4845557
You are fucking incredible. I am totally stealing this. You even made it more vertical! Nice!

>>4845541
It's good so far; as long as his hands and feet are supposed to be fucking massive. If so, take your time and finish it.

>>4845567
Glad I helped anon. Composition is very important in art. Best of luck

>>4843631
>>4843636

>>4845594
Appreciate your input. I will continue.

Alright, so I'm reading Keys to Drawing and I'm going to do the exercises in the book as recommended, problem is the very first exercise, I think I've scrapped about 7 or 8 tries into it, until I've achieved something acceptable today, I could see one major problem in my tries until now:
Measurements, It was always when I seem to have the lines right and doing it well that I notice that something is off, and most of the time it's the measurements, seams don't seem to "fit", the beginning and the end of the lines makes shapes appear less or more apparent than they really are (one thumb being bigger, fucking up the whole drawing), etc.
Do I fix this problem in the matter of time just praticing and doing practical dialog or do I have to do some method to polish the lines?

>>4845541
whats the deal with furries and the giant hands/feet? not attacking just curious is a fetish thing, a style thing that just caught on and now everyone does it?

>>4845634
Don’t get stuck on one exercise too long, anon

>>4845274
>>4845292
alright i changed the hair around as well as the shading, is it good now?

>>4845662
gif comparison

>>4845662
i mean yeah its better, still looks weird like a bonnet or something but its an improvement, now move on

I'm finna draw 250 boxes.

>>4845668
I'm not an expert, also a /beg/, but the second one is definitely better. You have to always remember when drawing the head that there's a LOT more skull than you think. Especially going to the back of the head. It's one of the first things that Huston says in his head drawing video/course/thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
From a three quarter view, you're going to see a lot of the skull going back

>>4845670
desu idk where to go from here should i try to draw something from my own head? is it bad to practice by copying other works?

I need help with post balancing.
Is there a good way that I can indicate that my pose is balanced? If I want to draw from imagination how do I know that my pose is balanced without using reference? is there a regimen for that?

>>4845659
I was mainly inspired by Street Fighter and only do it for "savage" or barbaric/warrior characters. Not sure why people do it specifically for furries.

Above character just so happens to be a furry, too.

>>4845689
>should i try to draw something from my own head?

i mean yeah you should always be practcing from imagintaion to 'cement' what you learn from lessons/drawing from reference,

>is it bad to practice by copying other works?

no, unless its just straight tracing you will always get some value from learning from people you admire, use them as teachers to guide your own art, incorporate from many references as you let them shape you over time, and then as i said above use what you learn from copying and apply that to your own work

take everything ive said with a grain of salt as im just a beg as you can see from pic related

>>4843631
>>4843633
>>4843641
LeL.

>>4845753
lol nice nice

>>4845753

>>4845675
pyw

Hey, I just wanted to say that if you're looking for lots of free poses for figure/gesture drawing, go look up some choreography videos on youtube and take some screenshots periodically.

I got a browser extension to do it automatically and after 15 minutes of deleting the shittier images I ended up with about 100 neat poses to add to the ol' folder. It works best with 4k videos but even the 1080p ones are useable.

>>4845756
Kek

just got to the actual box lessons in drawabox
thinking of killing myself instead

>>4845817
Death can be painless but it bears no purpose, hard work can't be painless but it has a reward.

>>4845817
Me too bro. Let's stick with it, though, because I look forward to seeing what both you and I are capable of once we finish all this.

>>4845763
I'm gonna try and draw 25 boxes today. I'll post the more successful ones when I'm done.

any tips on the drawing or process? i have bad habit of using very unsaturated colors at the start, so i almost always do adjustments at the end, but not sure if thats a bad habit

should be 1000px now

I got the Michael Hampton book but im not sure how to use it because it looks like it's just a bunch of drawings and there aren't any exercises and the flow of it doesn't make sense help

What do I want to be doing here? What kind of resources should I be doing to get this right?

bored and reread sparks liner high today

>>4845997
Go look up his youtube channel. He explains his process in more detail in a few supplementary videos. Super useful if you're rarted like me

>>4844912
Whats going on with her ass?

>>4846016
clean up to add the anatomy

>>4846054
Well, yeah, but HOW do I add the anatomy? I have no fucking idea where I'd even get this information.
Hampton book is worthless because at this point it's literally, Draw The Rest of the Owl
and Anatomy for Sculptors is *okay* but I am gonna be scrolling through 90 pages to get something that I can use and even then, it won't be the right angle.

>practise 5 minutes poses
>hour can easily pass by
>practise loomis
>feels like an eternity just making four heads
?

>>4846066
Time yourself doing 5 minute heads

>>4846059
> it won't be the right angle
This shouldn't matter if you know how to construct, otherwise loomis

>>4843632
First time trying to draw an emotion and "anime" art style. I usually stick with semi realistic and blank face.
I would like tips on the hair mostly.

>>4846078
I'm sorry but this is absolutely the most unhelpful shit ever.
Where specifically in "Loomis" is the proper anatomy and construction of the arm and also the connection it has with the shoulder blade and torso?

>>4846085
loomis is more than his head method anon...

>>4846085
If you don't know to draw something because the angle is different it means you don't know how to construct a drawing, therefore get loomis or any other book on that matter

>>4846088
You didn't answer the damn question. Where SPECIFICALLY in "Loomis" is the instructions to do this?
>>4846092
I can draw something because the angle is different, It's just pretty difficult because an anatomically correct arm connected to an anatomically correct torso and shoulder blade, at least to me, isn't very simple to convey

>>4846094
then do bridgman

>>4846094
in figure drawing for all its worth

>>4846096
>>4846097
Any pages specifically, or are we just naming books and authors now?

>>4846101
want to eat with a spoon or a spork?

>>4846101
page 62, now fuck off and do your own work you retard

>>4846106
>>4846108
>Ask for advice on an art forum for creating art work, more specifically a thread for beginner artists, on a very specific anatomical process
>Get told very general advice, so general, it is literally just an author, not even a specific book, a chapter of a book or even a PAGE of a book, just an author.
What a crime.

>>4846112
"hey guys can anyone give me a book for arm anatomy?"

"sure anon heres the book"

"uhmmm are we just naming books now? give me thge exacr page!!"

You truly are your own worst crab

>>4846112
get a teacher and pay them with your money if you dont want to do the work of researching for resources yourself

bet you're either a snowflake zoomer or millennial that had everything handed for you growing up

>>4846112
why ask for a book and then doubt the book given to you though? you think anons trying to trick you like hehe im gonna get that fool to read a loomis book, like ???? maybe take the advice youre given retard

>>4846112
>it is literally just an author, not even a specific book

he told you the book though....and you just spat it back at him, the state of begs

>>4846059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thh4JXnVtxM
1st Perspective/Construction
2nd Figure Drawing
3rd Anatomy

and to add onto this, Page 62 in either Loomis Figure Drawing for All It's Worth and George Bidgmen Constructive Figure Drawing has nothing to do with arms or shoulders or their connections.
>>4846120
I fucking wish.
>>4846121
Yes. The person who wrote the sticky told me THEMSELVES that they didn't actually read or give a shit about any book in it and just created it as a way to tell people to fuck off. I've read a LOT of the recommended books and copied from them and studied them and they either skip over major elements or send me on wild goose chases for OTHER reading materials that don't help either.
>>4846129
This is fine and dandy, I love these guys, but I am specifically looking for advice for RIGHT NOW. I've spent too long grinding random bullshit and reading random books. I don't think it means anything if I can't apply it to the situation or drawing I am working on RIGHT NOW. I appreciate you trying to help though.
I know I am mostly just venting my frustrations here, I am sorry to take it out on you guys when you're just trying to help, even if you're shitty at it. I'm just like all of you.

I decided to go with something simpler like this because honestly, I don't care at this point. What do you guys think?

>>4846136
pyw how long is your too long

>>4846142
It'll have almost been two years at this point. I just meant reading/drawing from random books instead of applying it and drawing what I want to draw. I don't expect instant results obviously, but if I am not drawing what I want to draw, what am I really grinding for? This is the drawing I have been working on over the course of the past 4 days.
I haven't really spent any time actually looking into any specific anatomical processes because I believed that I needed a better understanding of form and perspective before doing that because I was worried about going down the wrong path or falling into a trap, but, that's obviously stupid. If it's something I am going to need to know, it's probably better that I know it sooner rather than later, but I don't know what I am talking about.
If anyone has any advice, let me know. As long as that advice isn't a really lazy "fuck off" answer.

how to copy matisse's style?

>>4846153
limit your drawings to 5-20 minutes, quantity over quality when beg

>>4846159
True, but I have spent hours and days just drawing 5 minute random ass non-committal figures in voids. I feel like I need to create more finished works. I appreciate your advice, but I'd also like an explanation why or how

>>4846153
4 days anon wtf? move on holy shit, max i spend on a piece is literally 30 minutes, just draw from life man get some 5 minute poses and just get it down, post more work let me see more stuff

>>4846153
post an example of what that pictures style is intended to be, post some inspo

>>4846164
you shouldn't take 4 days on that drawing alone, and you can and should finish a figure drawing in less than 1h unless you're rendering it with a lot of nuances

>>4845751
anyone got any feedbck on my head? havent had any fedback in like 10 days, please anons :(

>>4846167
What does draw from life specifically mean for you? What is the process? I have done plenty of gesture drawings and 5 minute poses.
>>4846169
It's a character from Oshiette Galko-chan. It's an anime. It's trying to mimic the style of that accurately and was done heavily from reference from screenshots.

>>4846174
mouth more to the right
post ref
eyes shapes aren't quite right
finish it

>>4846175
i mean this look pretty good to me? whered you want to go from now? what are you learning figure anatomy for? whats the next step? start applying

How'd I do /ic/?

>>4846177
>finish it
i dont know how :(

>>4846182
clean it up god damn, get some shape appeal going for the love of Christ

>>4846183
render a sphere first then

Progress

>>4846173
It wasn't four days constantly working on it. It's probably more like 4 or 6 hours.
>>4846181
That's a good question. I want to either draw portraits, comics or anime/cartoon porn. When I sit down and try to finish a project like that dildo picture, I have to spend so much time adjusting elements of it and fixing things that it takes way longer than I'd want to and when it comes to rendering it and adding anatomical details, I can't because I don't really know anything about anatomy beyond using cylinders/boxes to make the Chest and Pelvis. I'm not secure in my knowledge of the connections of the legs to the pelvis or the arms to the chest and I wouldn't know the process to learning that or what resource I want to go to.

>>4846183
use at least 6-7 grays instead of 4
measure better
don't be afraid of overlapping your drawing to the ref to see the differences -but try to make adjustments side to side

>>4846082
I dont know if this looks like a crying face.

>>4846190
so it took around 1h each day, you need to up your game to see improvements, also no erasing, no fixing, finish it, if not happy draw it again, repeat until happy

>>4846190
>I'm not secure in my knowledge of the connections of the legs to the pelvis or the arms to the chest and I wouldn't know the process to learning that or what resource I want to go to.

when i say draw from life i mean find this connecting on picture of real people and then replicate what it looks like, draw from life orrrr look at other artists interpretation of that area and copy and learn

>>4846192
im very new to painting, this is only my 4th head so im just trying to get the basic shapes down but yeah i should use more values youre right

>>4846190
well did you use a reference for the dildo pic?

>>4843636
she has so much going on and her head proportions dont match what loomis taught me aahhh why would you post this beg trap muse
>>4845608
i like your version
>>4845751
from one beg to another i think your good enough at building the head template now, you should start adding features, which will continue giving you structure practice and also train you on hair, accessory etc at the same time, but if you are committed to the school of grinding i understand

>>4846200
Heavily. I looked at screenshots from the anime to get the character portraits right and also used reference for the pose with the dildo
>>4846194
That seems ridiculous to me. Why would I finish a bad drawing instead of erasing parts of it to make it good? Isn't the point of starting simple that you lay down a baseline for the rest of the drawing?
>>4846195
I feel like that's what I do, a lot of these muscles don't show up on people though.

>>4846205
>anime
stop, draw from life anon

>>4846153
two years?! bro i started literally last week what are you doing

>>4846205
The ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality.

His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot – albeit a perfect one – to get an “A”.

Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes – the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay.

>>4846208
>Trying to draw a specific anime character
>Use references from that anime to draw that character exactly as they are
I don't see a problem with this. If the goal is to accurately draw the character as they are and they are an anime character, wouldn't you draw them using reference from the anime? I get where you're coming from, but in this situation, it's not applicable. I draw plenty from photographs of people.
>>4846210
What is this even supposed to mean? What statement are you trying to make? Not everyone starts doing art at the same time.
>>4846214
This is a cute anecdote but it's probably:
1. not true
2. theoretical
I assume after grinding pots, eventually those who worked for quantity EVENTUALLY got to the point where they wanted to make a good pot, so they took a bit more time on it.
You could also tell the story from an opposite perspective
>"Knowing that they would be graded only on quantity, they didn't care at all for the quality, so they just threw any clay they had in the oven to increase their weight value, while the ones working on quality made the best pots!"
Cute anecdote and I get where you're coming from with it, but I don't fully agree.

>>4846222
how has working for 4 days on a single piece been working for you?

>>4846230
Actually really well. It's helped me identify things that I need to work on when I do quicker studies and in the end, I will have a finished piece that I personally enjoy and not hundreds of figures in a void that mean nothing to me. I can do that anytime, but imagining a scenario and making it real is very gratifying for me, no matter how long it takes. Plus, the longer I take on it, the faster I will be next time.

>>4846240
the results speak for itself, you know your work quality better than me

Seeing what I can do from imagination. I think her leg looks broken but it's OK because it's a nice foot even though it only has 4 toes. This is a lot of fun.

>>4846296
Oh shit I just noticed she has 2 left feet lol. Bad dancer I guess.

>>4846296
>>4846297
there.

>>4846153
Anon my dear please go draw what you like just what you like for a while. forget those books you can go back to them later, but please do what you like for a while. best wishes

>>4846319
I appreciate the advice.

>>4846183
the face is pointed in a totally different direction. and your shadows arent dark enough and you highlights arent light enough. you have to fix the drawing.

I don't know what I should be doing when. So I want to start with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Dodson Keys to Drawing, right? Then Fun with a Pencil...

After that will come figures. There's Loomis Figure Drawing, Hampton Figure Drawing, and Proko Figure Drawing, but which one should I do first? Should I do all 3? What order?

Am I over-complicating? What do I allocate my time to and in what order? Idk

>>4846351
1st-DAB aka Perspective
2nd-Figure Drawing(proko or hampton)
3rd-Anatomy

help, my back is seriously hurting and I can't draw, what do I do?

Can someone who's not retarded draw over this with construction? For some reason I am losing my fucking mind and can't do it.

>>4846365
what you draw with?

Why doesn't the perspective look right? Did I already fail at the skeleton and just didn't notice or is my lineart just not able to translate the pose/perspective correctly?
Instead of looking up to her from below she just looks fat to me.

>>4846365
draw your posture

>>4846394
you are still not drawing with form, pick any figure drawing course, i recommend vilppu because he teaches gesture, form, and construction in his course

>>4845007

>>4846398
Not him, but is it like a video course? I don't think I could stand that one because it felt like a lot of
>Vilppu craps out some insanely awesome drawing
>"It's just simple guys. You just feel the form, just like this,"
>Vilppu craps out another insanely awesome drawing
Or am I missing something?

>>4846398
I read over Hampton which is where I got that skeleton thing from but I guess I didn't get it yet. Will try Vilppu, thanks.

>>4846394
LOOMIS LOOMIS AHHHH LOOOMISSSS IM LOOOOMINGG AHHHHHHHHH AAIAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4846410
pretty much everything, you are not supposed to draw what vilppu draws, apart from the fact that he is a genius for drawing, he has a lot more o mileage and knowledge of the human body, but that's something you see when you take the renaissance course, the older course it didn't help me much.
>>4846411
remember to take it easy, good luck

>>4846424
Wait, are we talking about the book in the resources or the video course here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk
?

>>4846394
any form of extreme perspective is very difficult to draw, so good on you for trying. I've got a few tips that might help you.

First, start with cylinders- imagine your character in a tube, and map out where lines on that cylinder would be. Now, these lines aren't going to be evenly spaced- the closer to the "camera" they are, the further apart they will be. That's important, because it helps you visualize the shape in space, rather than as lines on a page.

The next step is actually blocking in the form of your character- you should start with the rib-cage part of the torso- you did well to show the underside of that rectangle, but the way you curved the lines isn't correct. Try holding a box above you, or taking a picture; the box's underside isn't curved like that- it becomes more "circular", for lack of a better term. Repeat the cube trick for each aspect of the character.

Lastly, and this is the very, very important tip, don't be afraid to overlap your cubes, and obscure some parts of the form. It's counter-intuitive; "How can I show the form without showing the form?"- from this perspective, if you have every line that you think makes up an arm, a leg, the face, visible, it will look flat, like yours. If you overlap some elements (where they should overlap, don't just go around hiding things willy-nilly), then you'll definitely get the look you're going for :>

Btw, i chugged out pic related in like, 10 minutes, please don't be too harsh on it - v - ;

>>4846432
i'm talking about that course, it has a lot of bullshit but in my opinion the figure drawing parts are the most important ones

What if instead of loomis he was loomisnt?

>>4846437
Thanks a lot for the drawing and the tips, I'll try applying them next time.

>>4846444
What do you mean by "you are not supposed to draw what vilppu draws"? Do you mean it as in "don't try to imitate his drawing, do your own version of whatever object he's drawing? Or not draw at all and just watch?

>>4846437
I tried to do my own version, yours has a way harsher perspective than mine, so it's better lol

>>4846454
a lot of times Vilppu will draw figures like top one, but what you really need to take from his courses is how to draw with form like bottom one,

>>4846459
Thanks
I tried for something like that, since I thought going full camera on ground looking up from the feed would be too hard.
Little did know

>>4846464
I'm assuming to get the rest of the courses I'd need to subscribe to that online school?
I'm a poorfag sadly. Is his book a good substitute or are there any other good video courses?

>>4846360
Should I do Drawing on Right Side, Dodson Keys to Drawing? I read a lot of right side one, I see what its basically trying to teach and I understand, should I still go through the rest of it? And what about Keys to Drawing? When should I do these books or should I not read them

>>4844786
This is a great book. Shit ton of references you can use to copy and get a feel for the instruction. Goes into insane detail on each body part later. I would honestly recommend this over Loomis.

>>4846482
>>4776876

>>4846491
Woah nice, thanks.

>>4846048
shit. thats what i get for drawing at 4am.

>>4846485
I'm barely two months into my /beg/ journey so take this with a grain of salt, but here's my take as a fellow raw beginner.

I think you'll probably want to start with Fun With a Pencil because it is just that: fun. That sounds silly but I like it as a beginner book because it has you drawing fun things and can really help you figure out if you really like drawing. It's very focused on the basics of construction, and loomis does a really good job of slowly building on concepts so that you don't feel too overwhelmed at any point in the book, and it's simply structured and easy to get through.

I can't comment on Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain because I haven't read it, but Keys to Drawing is a really good book. It's got a very "generalist" sort of approach where it tries to teach you the basic elements of all the fundamentals through a series of exercises and actionable concepts/tips. I think it compliments FWAP nicely and you can work from the two at the same time if you like.

If you're someone who needs a lot of structure, however, Drawabox is a good option because it's built around rigidly structured exercises and community feedback, and you'll always know what your next steps should be because it has a set curriculum to follow. I'm working through it right now and finding it helpful, but be warned that it is a LOT of work, and it is NOT fun.

>>4846487
Is a good book for intrucing you to anatomy, however there's some parts that are barely covered or completely left out (facial features, breasts, foreshortening). I would recommend pairing it with his lectures because he seems to go more in detail and cover muscles that the book doesn't do.

Also his head method didn't make much sense for me Is a mix of loomis and vilppu, So for that part you're better off learning the head from either of them, notheless is a good starting figure drawing book.

>>4846510
>I can't comment on Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
i read it and *personally* didn’t like it. a lot of anons will tell you it’s not a book you really read because 99% of it is pseudoscience shit, but rather you’re just supposed to do the exercises. the exercises require stuff beside pencil and paper, like a drawing board to rest on your lap and a glass pane picture panel thing. many of the exercises are similar to Keys to Drawing, but the exercises early on in the book are okay like the upside down picasso. that is just my experience though.

>it is a LOT of work, and it is NOT fun.
i think DAB is fun... i like seeing the gains in my art

>>4846485
1.-Perspective (do it after keys): Perspective Made Easy or Marshall, I find DAB confusing af so I wouldn't recommend it to learn perspective.
2.-Figure Drawing: Either Hampton or Vilppu (Pair it with the lectures try 1 or 2 per week), Proko figure drawing course is shit, The only ones worth studying are his anatomy and portrait fundies ones.

>>4846535
>>4846544
Thanks for the no-shit answers. I'm thinking, finish FWAP while doing the DAB stuff and Keys, then move on to Hampton with a bit of Vilppu, and then after that get onto Proko anatomy. And then just do exercises from DAB as warmup here and there. It makes it way easier in my head and for motivation if I know the exact path I want to take so thanks

How is the torso looking?
I try to clean up the sketch before posting. I'm obviously still working on the legs and feet. I don't know if the head is the right size.

Had a little bit of fun today with the Keys to Drawing exercise. Trying to emulate Henri Matisse's style and draw Tatsumaki.

How do you guys deal with comp issues?
Always feel like my stuff is either too close and stuffed or too unsfocused (like in this case).

I know the characters are still pretty fucked, but is at least the basic composition working?

Fuck this is getting hard. Even peter Han said that it took him awhile to fully grasp what he’s going over so I’ve got plenty of time.

>>4847007
Happy with my line improvement lately thoug

>>4847000
idk, learn the rules of composition and steal people's composition also?

>>4847005
the composition should tell a story, here im not quite sure whats happening, is he approaching? is he standing his ground? is the frog thing meant to be menacing?

>>4847032
Yes to all 3, how can I make these more clear?

>>4847032
>>4847035
Yes as in the crowdude is standing his ground and the frog is supposed to be approaching menacingly

How bad is this, so far?

>>4847010
What are those rules tho?
Ive read a bit about visual weight and stuff but it isn’t quite as straightforward as that.

>>4847035
>how can I make these more clear?
sorry i dont know the answers, never done composition myself im just telling you how i feel as a viewer, maybe have the man in a more powerful stance ( feet wide) and have the frog as larger and looming over? you could also do something with the colours like having darkness being behind the frog to contrast with the light from the mans angle

look at pic related, even though its a childs drawing you still get that sense of awe and danger

(again take this all with a grain of salt as all i do is draw heads lol)

>>4847048
>and have the frog as larger and looming over?
I already went for that, I dunno how to make it more like that except for making the crowdude tiny. I think you are right about the stance though, it's a bit too relaxed. Maybe some identifiable object for size comparison might help, I'll try thinking of something.

>>4847056
you need some movement in the picture, the frog just looks like hes chilling, they both do theyre just vibin, you need a 'hook' in the photo, like the frogs hands could be bigger like theyre coming straight for the crow, you could frame the crow around the hands, or give the frog a sense or movement like hes charging straight for him, also im not sure about the cliff covering half the frog, try find some references of giants etc and see how they get the 'vibe' youre trying to achieve

>>4847005
i really like those colors you have an eye for it

>>4847064
>you could frame the crow around the hands
I'm not sure what that means.
>m not sure about the cliff covering half the frog
I put it there for the frog to have somewhere to put his hand, ironicly to make him feel bigger. I think I'll go with a smaller cliff that hides less, that should fix it(?)

Thanks for the advice

>>4847068
this looks fucking awful but thats what i mean by framing him

If it’s true you’re all bots then I’m going to wreck your retarded nigger robot brains by asking an impossible math question: what’s 1 divided by TWO?!

>do shitty pen drawing
>add texture/detail with known techniques
>watch drawing slowly “come to life”
so this is the power of rendering

>>4846995
That's not a style anon, that's someone that doesn't know how to draw that gives up and says "muh unique style".

I don't give a shit if that's a well-known artist, that's literally 6 year old fridge scribble, deviant-art tier shit. Why would you want to emulate this.

>>4847150
It's just part of the exercise. I just follow the instructions given and (poorly) emulate what is supposed to be the artist's quirks. Obviously I don't plan to emulate this kind of style long term, but I think it's helpful to know what are the things I should pay attention should I want to copy some other person's art.

>>4847126
Wrong thread?

>>4847126
lo0mi5

Currently trying medieval art style.
Are the proportions here ok? And also how to I go on on colouring it? I used black ink for the outlines and am afraid that water colours may dissolve the ink.

>>4847185
you should've read if your ink is water soluble, do a test on a piece of paper

started from the feet up

>>4847221
Now set the layer to 50% opacity, make a new layer (if you like in multiply mode) and go over it again

>>4847000
I see you've already addressed the weight lol. Im stil gonna say though, the left has wayy too much weight and shit going on, then the right is just an empty landscape. Put someone in the chair on the right and put 2 people sitting on the stairs on the right as well. Maybe someone looking out to the lighthouse as well?

hand warming practice

>>4847160
no your the wrong thread!

>>4847185
He got a frenemy now.
I accidentally smeared the ink, for the second time now.

>>4847372
i love this anon its very clean

>>4847395
Thanks. It's my first time drawing trad in ages, so I'm extra cautious with the lines.
I will draw the background tomorrow and then try colouring.

>>4847246
I tried

>>4847466
now try posing like that and see if its comfortable

Should I start out with a brush that changes opacity with pressure?
Since the intro books assume you're using a pencil I feel like it makes sense, but I never see anyone here doing that.

>>4847478
digital cant simulate how a pencil works

>>4843611

>>4847478
I always use brushes that do that unless I'm specificly going for ink lines.

>>4847476
True I changed the pose a little bit

>>4847596
Good job anon, now clean it up again, also the hands.

I'm a freelance artist and I sell work like this on deviantart at a bit of a knockdown price due to its current quality, was wondering if some of the art experts here could tell me what sort of art fundamentals I need to practice to improve my work; if you guys have any extra tips though that would be very appreciated

You can view my other work here https://www.deviantart.com/lelswegisback
if you need more than just this for a reference of where i'm standing atm

What exactly constitutes as a beginner artist?

>>4847711
how much do you charge?

>>4847718
For something like what i posted above i charge between $20-25

>>4847715
On /ic/ it's meant as a skill category, I can't define it for you but there are people ITT that have been "beginners" for many many years(like me)

>>4847715
either not technically sound or unappealing to look at or both

>>4847610
Thank you for the help actually motivated me to keep drawing

Wojack with extra steps

>proko is the only one on youtube who can do gesture correctly
fuck, trying to find a different teacher didn’t work. even the force method doesn’t help me understand any better

>>4847795
Thanks, I was a bit confused considering most of the "beginner" art here was actually ok
>>4847810
I feel like that's a bit narrow, but I'm not much of an artist so I can't really be the judge of that.

>>4847508
Nice boat.

>>4847839
kek

>>4847877
Thanks

So i just bought a drawing tablet and i'm trying to use it, but something that i miss is that i cant rotate the tablet cause then it will fuck up the orientation of the strokes. How do you guys cope with that? you draw more with the wrist cause its almost impossible to draw with the shoulder in weird angles. Thanks guys.

>>4848079
move canvas, not tablet

>>4845934

>>4848079
It's not impossible. You'll just get better at drawing the weird angles with the shoulder. I never use the wrist.

wasnt feeling it today lads so just did a quick sketch

help my gestures are bad and I am bad

i struggled the last few months getting clean lines but then i discovered how to use a stabilizer

>>4844041
it's dead because you retards shill discords 24/7 you retards

Should I draw lines quickly or slowly?
For me lines I draw quickly are nice and smooth but it's up to luck if they actually go where I want them and lines I draw slowly are often squiggely and lack dynamic.

>>4844041
was /ic/ ever a fast board
even before discord

>>4848336
>but it's up to luck if they actually go where I want them

and this is why you practice line control, do peter hans stuff

>>4846949
I tweaked the pose a bit and messed with the anatomy. I already started painting it. Im still messing with the clothes.

>>4848336
draw-a-box line exercises.
just re do a line if it isn't perfect.
but fast > slow every time

>>4848344
Legs look good but I think the stomach is somehow wrong, not sure though since I'm beg af.

>>4848218
they are not bad try to do 60 sec poses so it forces you to just capture the essence no need for detail

>>4848380
agreed

is this gesture drawing? am i doing this right?

>>4848326
stabilizers are for the weak

Do you ever feel completely and utterly hopeless?
I don't even know how I am supposed to start trying to draw figures and the like when something as simple as primite shapes comes out looking like this.

>>4848636
that's why you try again

>>4848636
that's what being /beg/ is idiot.
all your favorite artists were as bad as you.
just do it over and over and over

>>4848670
>>4848647
OK. I will spend the nest 2 hours trying to make it better

>>4848636
Look at the angles of what you're trying to draw, and draw those angles. I also felt fucking retarded when I first tried it, but it eventually works. "Keep trying" is good advice, but you won't learn if you don't know specifically what you're doing wrong and trying to correct for it.

>>4848636
I'd recommend looking at the forms before worrying about shading. If the forms don't add up then no amount of shading will make it better

I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing help

reminder discord kills boards.

>>4848636
I tried this because I've never really done a still life before and needed a break from figure stuff. I think I spent about 20 minutes on it before getting bored. thoughts?

>>4848708
ground shading kek

>>4848674
That is what I have been trying. I JUST finished Brent Eviston's fundies course and I still feel like a massive fucking retard.
>>4848683
It doesn't look THAT bad until I "finish" and realize how much I fucked up. It feels like I am drawing blind.

>>4848712
but I don't wanna :(

>>4848747
C:

I'm getting Matisse's style or so I feel, the core idea, the tempo has been achieved, the product, not so much

>>4845541
Not /beg

>>4848727
what I'd recommend doing is disregarding the shading for the moment and trying to only spend about 5-10 minutes on each one of these references at max. When you're starting out it's quantity over quality 100%.

ill try to copy matisse later, for now lets get back on actual drawings

>>4848795
>>4848771
I KNOW IT LOOKS BAD
I NEVER CLAIMED OTHERWISE
but i got the speed right, which is what im after
copying matisse is only because he'll help me with gesture drawing, the experiments were a success on that aspect

Trying to lay out the railroad picture in perspective made easy but it still feels off. advice?

>>4848785
retard

what are peoples opinion on CSP's brush named "paint and apply"? I like it myself but i wanna know what others think

>>4847150
>>4847154
You'd be wrong, I've spent the past few days reading on Matisse, trying to get his style to work, replicate it, yet an appealing Matisse is a complex work, it's simplicity is deceiving.

I seem to have the same issue, my drawings are not at the right scale for the material
>>4848795
i've failed you matisse, i've failed you, I shall produce another one, one where both speed and quality are present, forgive me.

>>4848795
hackery took a hold on me at the moment of your conception, forgive me drawing, forgive me muse, an apology is not enough i'll draw you again

>>4848837
>>4848836
>>4848846
you are a strange little man

also
>>4848747
>>4848727
>>4848688
>>4848344
>>4848218
>>4848194
>>4847839
>>4847838
>>4847711
absolutely GMI (with the right amount of applied focus)

>>4848888
what do you mean by that? anon please there is hope for me, tell me what do i need to become a true artist

>>4848888
If you didn’t link my post is it just too old or am I ngmi

>>4847711
First of all that's really not bad at all, $20 for a fully rendered portrait is a steal. However, there are a few things I'd point out:
-Your brushwork looks pretty damn good, definitely better than what I can do.
-The head doesn't quite seem to attach to the body correctly, I feel like you're missing a few anatomical landmarks in the collarbone/shoulder areas which adds some ambiguity to the orientation of the torso. Because of that it appears like there's a twist of some kind in her upper body going from the base of the neck to the shoulders.
-I would also look into adding some volume to the cloth, for example it looks like it's painted onto her shoulders by the way it lies perfectly flat against them.
-Finally, I think that the proportions between the head and upper body are (slightly) off. The pauldrons make it somewhat hard for me to tell, but That may be something to look into for the future.
-Last thing, The shading you've applied doesn't line up with itself. It appears as though you've got multiple light sources coming in from a bunch of different directions.

Some other anons might have better advice, but that's what stood out to me. If you fix those things I think you could get quite a lot more for a portrait, though I don't run in commission circles so I'm not the one to ask.

>>4848894
too old but you will probably also gmi
>>4848891
which one are you

>>4848819
hmmmm it still looks wrong

>>4848789
>When you're starting out it's quantity over quality
I will try to take it into account.

This is the last one for tonight. I have to get to work in 4 hours.

>>4847312
I agree, although the rough's right side is not as empty.
I kinda think the pic has potential if i divided into two lol.

I’m on week three of dynamic sketching and it’s about adding a form/cast shadow on organic forms, and cross hatching them. He doesn’t go in detail about cross hatching so how the fug am I supposed to do this? He said to experiment some and expect to mess up so that’s what I tried on these forms but I’m still kind of lost. Do I cross hatch in opposite directions? Like vertically and horizontally on the form? Or do i only do it in one direction (i.e. in the direction of light)? Do I do cross hatching in the direction of the contours or do I make it straight up and down/left to right? Fuck me lads

only add the contourns that you feel will better describe the shape of the solid. Draw bigger and unironically feel the forms.
There are several ways of hatching, maybe the easist is to just do parallel lines that wrap around the surface, but you can look at inkers and see how they do it.

>>4848344
Here a update. I'm still working on the whole thing entirely. I have yet to start on the hands and feet.
I don't know how skirts work.

>>4848888
Thanks my dude.

>>4848948
oh now i see why you're beg

>>4848785
I-It's not even finished... But thanks...

You must really like my other sketches.

>>4848822
Pedophile

>>4846366
its kinda something like this anon

>>4848901
The electricity lines look way too small compared to the rails

>>4848920
way way better anon

>>4848901
>>4849076
To elaborate, they seem to be around 2,90m high, whereas that kind of power line would be somewhere between 6 and 17 metres on height. It also should be way thicker

>>4849088
Forgot pic

I sketched out the background a bit.
I'm not yet happy with the bridge floor

>>4848085
fuck you.

this is a practice donut, it is about 1.5 cm by 2 cm.

I struggle with faces facing down and open mouth smiles

new thread
>>4849462
>>4849462
>>4849462

>>4849453
bump limit has reached there by almost 100 posts and no one opened a new thread

>>4849509
I was just trying to be funny, thank you for starting a new thread

>>4848948
learn color theory. Not only does skin not look like that at ALL but the color balance just doesnt make sense

Just saw this this morning and it has some neat stuff. Feel like drawing some portraits now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T3cxSySI2Q&ab_channel=WIRED