/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Pic is a sketch I've already posted but I wanted to talk about form and drawing figures and stuff.

When I do these studies or whatever they're called, I do it like I'm making a sculpture.
I paint the general shape in a mid tone and shape it to match the subject.
Then I add shadows and highlights
Then I blend it, correct anatomical mistakes, add detail, etc.

When I do it I feel like a get a better sense for muscle and bone anatomy, relative proportion, how light works, skin tone, etc.
When I really struggle to render something without it looking uncanny, I stop and do a dedicated study of that body part from that angle to figure out what makes it look human.
But I see a lot of people talk about symbol drawing and complaining that people are just copying, etc.
Can someone help me understand this? If you paint a model is that copying? I don't see how that's bad. if I go outside and paint my backyard, is that copying?

>>4840384
Also does anyone have a library of references for the same body parts from different angles or in different light?

I really think that sitting up helps my drawing.

>>4840386

>>4840397
sweet thanks anon

>>4840386

I actually save a lot of photos from instagram. I have a leg folder, a hand folder, etc.

how in the fuck do you go about finding a live model for drawing? theres literally no live drawing classes in my city. none, whatsoever. should i try cold dming thots on insta?

>>4840423
>should i try cold dming thots on insta?

if youre good enough and have a big insta then yes, if not try tinder and say you need a muse, and send them some art, chicks love this shit, obviously the art needs to be impressive enough to get normies though

>>4840423
meetup.com no joke

so I'm reading the sticky and the picasso sketch doesn't make much sense to me. Wouldn't it be easier to simplify the whole man into a basic shape and then get into more details from there? To me there's no point of just redrawing the lines because you only learn how to replicate another drawing. Why should I ignore the object as a whole? Doesn't it make more sense to draw the shape of the man first since it helps you understand its proportions?

Posted this piece yesterday and got some feedback. I've redrawn Bubbles (far left) and wanna know how the pose looks before I finish up coloring.

>>4840423
croquis cafe

>>4840435
clean up the lines

>>4840435
also, compare your line work with this

>>4840476
went ahead and colored it

>>4840493
make their irises bigger so it doesn't look like they're glaring

>>4840493

>>4840493
ehhh wrong one, sorry

>>4840476
>>4840493
>>4840498
All you did was color in her dress and arms with a solid color. No one cares. You're getting caught up in trivial things.

>>4840486
old hag hands

Sargent study I did today

>>4840392
Not even a polished turd

>>4840538
did you paint that on the right? also activate windows

>>4840589
why activate windows

>>4840538
/ic/ can create a really good reproduction of Sargent but can't fucking activate windows

>>4840589
>>4840601

I'm not paying for that shit lol

But yeah that on the right is the study

>>4840447
You are training your hand-eye coordination. Of course, you use construction for your own art, but this is specifically an exercise in seeing things properly. To get you out of symbol drawing by not letting your brain automatically tell you how something should look, but 100% relying on your eyes. Most people don't even realize they're not fully using their eyes since it happens so automatically. You look at a picture of a feature and think you remember what it looked like when you saw it, and your brain auto says "this is what a food/hand looks like". The upside down picasso thing is so that your brain doesn't have anything to auto tell you "it looks like this", so you're flexing your visual muscle.

It's a good exercise and will help you long term.

>>4840384
I think by symbol drawing people mean you're trying to paint directly what you see without understanding why it looks like it does. If you hyperfocus on details you lose sight of the whole. This is why it looks uncanny

You should start with gesture & construction just like if you were drawing an imaginary figure and build up from there. Building a solid foundation is key

>>4840392
Holy fucking based. Ignore the other guy, this is amazing, kek

>>4840621
No, this is the opposite of what symbol drawing is. You WANT to paint directly what you see. Symbol drawing is painting what you *THINK* you see, instead of what's actually there. It's when you rely on your memory of an object rather than ignoring what your brain says and just translating your vision to paper.

>>4840538
You can activate windows for free, si necesitas ayuda pregunta

>>4840630
legit or with crack?

>>4840630

COMO¿¿?

>>4840605
well obviously youre not beg so fuck off

(wip)
does this look soulless? its a photocopy

>>4840638
KMS_VL_ALL :)

>https://rentry.co/fwt#activating-windows

>>4840643
reference

>>4840638
Obviously crack, but is easy. I use the windows 10 activator by Daz or something like that. Been a long time since I activated mine

>>4840644
Kms doesn't work for pro versions as far as I remember

>>4840651
worked for me perfectly lad

how 2 draw proko bean

>>4840652
Did they fixed it or something? I tried patching mine a year and couldn't because it was the pro version and something related to acer bullshit

>>4840643
maybe learn to draw before you can paint bud

>>4840656
fuck knows, enterprise is better than pro anyway so use that

>>4840658
youre posting in /beg/ imbecile

>>4840661
uhm ok? what has that got to do with what i said? if youre beg you shouldnt start fucking painting when you cant even get your fucking proportions right

>>4840493
>>4840498
these are fucking great

What are the best materials for drawing? Regular pencils or the mechanicals? Also small round rubbers seems like a better idea for small details or erasing parts of circles

>>4840665
and why should i listen to you faggot? felt like painting it so i did.

>>4840643
I still don’t speak /ic. What’s a “photocopy?” Tracing? Drawing from reference? It’s definitely not an actual Xerox.

>>4840672
kek

>>4840672
i mean you posted for advice, i said learn to draw/get proportions right before you paint and you sperg out and go WELL I FELT LIKE PAINTING, like ok? so what are you posting for i dont get it?

>>4840672
Ok so to answer your original question, yes it looks soulless. You have your answer and obviously don't want to take advice, so enjoy.

>>4840672
you seem a bit booty blasted my friend

>>4840677
>>4840680
>>4840681
>WAAAH WHY DID YOU DO SOMETHING YOU CANT WAAAAH
Why is this board filled with insecure faggots?

>>4840682
>came here and asked for advice
>you got advice
>you disregarded advice
>ok cool anon
>I DO WHAT I WANT REEEEE
>?

>>4840682
You're the one that unironically seems upset that you didn't just get a hugbox. get the fuck out and give up now if you get this upset when you specifically ask how something looks, and someone doesn't give you the answer you needed to boost your dopamine and critically low levels of self-motivation.

>>4840677
>>4840680
i do like taking advice but not from snarky seething faggots like yourself. just keep lurking.

>>4840688
>>4840691
this aint me >>4840672 fucking relax

>>4840692
>he actually decides who he takes advice from based on whether or not they personally like someone

Are you a woman on her period right now?

unironically NGMI.

>>4840692
literally all i said was learn to draw first....like that was it and youve thrown a massive fit over it, im quite confused but do what you want anon, im off, keep painting/drawing peace and gl

>>4840688
>>4840691
>anon posted his work
>STOP PAINTING YOU MUST DRAW FIRST
>no, i felt like painting and im beg anyway
>WAAAAAAAH DONT DISREGARD MY ADVICE
you're just sucking your own dicks.
post your works.

>>4840696
>>4840697
you were the one who completely sidelined my initial question and decided to leave a bitchy passive-aggressive comment after i told you this is /beg/. im not obligated to take your advice just because you left it there. stop being so pent up, have sex

>>4840704
>anon asked for advice
>got advice
>sperged at said advice
>i ask why he even posted in first place
>sh shut up i just wanted to paint!

>>4840672

absolute chad reply

>>4840711
ok heres your reply, yes its souless now go sperg up other threads

How to draw shoes please help

>>4840711
You should take your own advice anon, relax it's just a drawing. You will get better in time and practice.

>>4840711
you sound like a women, have an open mind and chill out

>>4840712
>get called imbecille
>THIS IS LITTERALLY A MELTDOWN IM SUCH A VICTIM MUH ADVAIS
Are you legit autistic?

>>4840711
D I L A T E

>>4840728
Are you talking about the guy that posted the painting or the people telling him to chill out and take advice?

>>4840718
By drawing them.

god this thread is a shit show

>>4840728
nah the meltdown is this reply and the 10 before this, the fact youre still replying and bringing it up says it all, just fucking stop anon youre embarrassing yourself

seeing the painting anon get btfo and have a breakdown has made my day lol

>>4840733
the guy youre replying to isnt me, even his grammar is different, how do you keep missing that? i know it says anonymous but its not the same anonymous.

>>4840335
>>coming to /ic/ to learn
>>leaving /ic/ drained of coom

fuck man

>>4840730
>JUST ACCEPT THE ADVICE I NEED TO VALIDATE MYSELF
fucking brainlet.
The anon is beg, of course his shit is gonna suck.
You're just giving him pretentious advice to feel better about your two digits iq.
>>4840733
>wwwaaaaah stop rplying ur embrassing haha i win
>>4840745
anon, they're insecure, they can't stop themselves from trying to justify their own faggotry.

>>4840750
So are you going to actually take advice and get better or continue to get mad at the equivalent of mommy not hanging up your picture on the fridge?

>>4840736
And he specifically asked if it looks soulless too. I'm not sure what he expected, there are better places to get your dick sucked.

>>4840750
>pretentious advice

telling him to draw before painting is pretentious....

>>4840752
>he still thinks it's the same anon
fags like you should gtfo my board

>>4840760
>you can't paint if you can't draw
peak begtard

>>4840750
You can tell this is the same anon trying to seem like another person defending him because he feels the need to use snarky anime reaction images to show how not mad he is. Anon, it's fine to be /beg/, but there's nothing worse than a /beg/ that breaks under any kind of criticism. You can cope as much as you want but your shit will suck until you get over yourself.

>>4840762
Yes. You are. Are you going to take advice or continue being angry?

>>4840763
It depends on what you're painting. If the main issue with your painting is that your human proportions are off, then yes, you need to learn proportions which is mainly done by learning how to draw first. Are you retarded?

>>4840763
you can if you like turds and normie contemporary art

>>4840750
anime poster

like pottery

>>4840750

>>4840764
>hurr durr im just fucking delusional
You know you're just proving what i said?
You could've just ignored the anon when
>he didn't take the advice
but you're just trying to justify yourself because the anon seemed like easy prey
>haha u mad my head canon is absolute true i cannot be wrong
peak narcissist
>>4840769
>still sucking their own dick
sasuga da ne
>>4840771
>cont art and turds haha art now is shit
pyw
>>4840773
>imagine feeling threatened by anime
>>>4840780
>haha wojak but he crying
you can't even fathom how much i'm jerking off to this right now

>>4840782
you ever wonder why its you vs the world? maybe cause youre a fucking retard

>>4840782
imagine being (you)

>>4840787
>NOOO I'M NOT MAD YOUR MAD BECAUSE UR NOT LIKE ME
>STOP NOT VALIDATING MEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>4840789
don't lie
(you)'d love that
thing is i'm a natural at this while you have to struggle to validate your shitty existence like the monkey abomination you are

>>4840782
>I'm s-so not mad guys, I'm actually laughing right now

he says as he continues to pretend to be another anon defending himself while giving himself away by posting anime reaction images to show even more just how NOT MAD you are.

Are you going to actually take advice or continue arguing with anons?

Posting an old sketch in a hopeless effort to get the thread back on track

I wish I could get caught up in drama. I mostly just get ignored. I’ll go back to drawing my boxes.

>>4840795
You realize you need to learn to take criticism if you want to actually improve right? If not /asg/ is that way, it seems like you would fit in there.

You can also try www.deviantart.com I hear good things about that place too

>>4840425
This is such a great idea!

Also, there are some online figure drawing sessions and classes. Just check Facebook and other art institutions. The Society of Illustrators does them for example.

>>4840796
>imagine going on the internet and telling lies about people
>G-G-GUY IS THE SAME ANON EVEN THOUGH ITS OBVIOUS ITS NOT THE SAME BUT HOW ELSE MUST I COPE WITH THAT ANON RIGHTFULLY CALLING ME A BRAINDEAD FAGGOT LIKE I AM GAISE HE MAD HAHA GOD I LOVE MYSELF SO MCUH IM SO SMORT
Cope level: MAXIMUM
>>4840801
Your criticism or advice isn't valid because you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about.
>b-b-but this no hugbox go to hugbox im anomynoose haha
go back to plebbit you fucking nigger

the anon who keeps white knighting can you just shut the fuck up im not sure if youre against me and are playing some 5d chess to make me look bad but your replies are fucking cringeworthy and the fact i have to defend myself from your comments makes it 10 times worse.

actually fuck it, its obvious youre just using me to get a dopamine rush from (you)'s, just kill yourself. im leaving this thread anyone pretending to be me at this point is not me, bye.

what a bunch of anime poster losers

>>4840810
Can you explain why the advice of "learn to draw before you can paint" isn't valid? Or is it just because of hurt feelings? Ironic that you're saying to go back to plebbit which is an actual hugbox, when you're getting mad about someone saying "no your shit sucks"

So again, are you going to keep posting snarky anime images and be mad, or actually improve?

Wtf happened to this thread.

>>4840821
/asg/ decided to come out

>>4840821
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego#Ego

>>4840817
jesus man just let it go, im the guy who originally said learn to draw, hes obviously trolling at this point, hes done this before, every so often he comes in, asks for advice and then has a fit when people reply just ignore him please, and everyone else just ignore the guy god damn

>>4840834
That's not the same anon as the anon who asked for advice.

>>4840392
Kek

>>4840817
>how is my advice bad i can do no wrong haha but plebbit is hugbox haha ur mad because i say this stop posting anime im literally shaking
So, let me ask one question, you filthy autist.
What is the difference between drawing and painting?
also still not the anon but proves what i've been saying this whole time that you're not giving out genuine crits but you're just looking for prey like the miserable crab you are
dumb normalniggers like you should gtfo my board or lurk moar

>>4840617
ah ok ty

Any opinions on the Watts Atelier online course? Is it any good or just Prokoshit?

>>4840842
drawing is simpler therefore easier and faster for /beg/s to learn fundies

>>4840855
peak begtard

>>4840335
I'm working on this how does it look? She's supposed to be jumping on you

>>4840857
if you're drawing with paint tubes, you're not painting

>>4840862
You got one more try.
Show me you actually know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>4840842
Drawing is dry painting is wet

>>4840842
>what is the difference between drawing and painting?

>He calls others autists and /beg/

Why are you still mad?

>>4840867
I had a painting professor who was always adamant that "if you can't draw it, you can't paint it." I agree. If you're planning to do any painting that has realistic qualities, then a foundation in drawing will be quite helpful. Even if you are perhaps leaning more towards abstract painting, drawing teaches an artist how to translate what they see, either in front of them or in the minds, to marks on a page. Drawing teaches how to measure and think. The line between what is drawing and what is painting often blurs, but that's something you discover as you go on. But this is not to say you should be a competent draftsperson before you pick up a paintbrush, learn the two in conjunction with each other. As your drawing improves, so will your painting, and vice versa.

>>4840878
>he couldn't explain it in his own words
>haha y u mad
(you)s have no value to me, anon.

>>4840901
D I L A T E

>>4840821

Here's a piece I did yesterday
I dont remember if I already posted it

>>4840953
Nice linework and pose

since this bitch ass niggas won't do shit except sucking their own dicks I'll have to evaluate
>>4840799
looking good, the tits look odd though it's not aligned with the chest
>>4840800
cute square
>>4840848
nice but try to not chicken scratch
>>4840860
this is my drawing posted from phone
>>4840953
nice

>>4840860
Keep going, and we'll see

>>4840392
Would this be allowed on either DeviantArt or Hentaifoundry? What if the dialogue was taken out?

tfw single digit iq that can’t do gesture

>>4840996
Keep at it anon. The hardest part about gesture practice is that it feels like ASS to do starting out. You need to hype yourself up and just grind. It's going to look like shit. You're training your eye-hand coordination and you're starting from 0.

>>4840972
I’m >>4840799 thanks dude! I agree with what you said, I referenced the outfit but not the figure itself so there’s a lot fucked up with it. I’ll eval yours
>>4840860
I think you’re headed in the right direction as long as you don’t keep it perfectly symmetrical, it looks like you’re still in the sketch stage though so I’m sure you were planning on changing that. I would try rotating the pelvis so it’s tilted down towards her left leg, and then maybe tilt the torso/rib cage in the opposite direction to create some sense of motion. You’re doing good though, that sort of angle and pose is pretty difficult to get right

Question from someone who is still very bad in general.
Why do I notice so many drawings that use the "wu-tang" hand symbol ?
Is it just a nicer look for a hand pose or something ?

>>4841038
what?

Is this total shit? I have no idea of what I'm doing

>>4841067
pic plz

>>4841067
Forgot pic

>>4841067
Based Alzheimer's poster

I'm halfway to drunk

>>4841000
thanks, trips

>>4841071
Really good shading and interesting pose except the background is a bit confusing not sure whats it meant to represent

>>4841078
Just some graphic shit, I have no idea
Oh its supposed to be upside down

will i never be good at construction if i don’t do drawabox?

>>4841090
Yes

>>4841096
well then FUCK bros i'm NGMI i don't have fineliners!!!

>>4841090
construction is a meme, but draw a box is an even worse meme.

>>4841105
go back to /asg/ faggot

I posted this in the previous thread, but yeah just looking for feedback on the anatomy/proportions, i realize the face probably looks weird but I half-assed it

>>4841098
>fineliners!
use pen ez

Somewhat new to drawing. Friend let me use her tablet and made this. I dont have any real knowledge or anything like that so any critique or advice i would like. Im sorry its very basic looking.
I discovered these threads not too long ago so I figured maybe I can find some useful stuff along with the sticky

>>4840392
Lmao based af u dont belong on beg

are there any resources that give you a bit of information on how mangakas learned to draw and how they developed their style? For example I like Taiyo Matsumoto a lot because his art is kind of child-like and a bit "unfocused" but at the same time the technical aspects like angles and proportions are so spot on. It's this odd balance of technical mastery and unique art style that I find it so appealing.
How does one achieve this? When I try to follow guides I always end up drawing the most generic shit which makes me question if I even need to learn that at all. How do you guys learn the fundamentals AND develop your style at the same time? When I browse through the artwork on this board I'm always reminded how similar and standard it all looks (no offense, I can't do it any better)

>>4841176
damn homie you just keep gettin better. pyw on head #1. I've been here since like head 6 but I forgot how you started off. Gimme that inspiration headanon

>>4841298
>For example I like Taiyo Matsumoto a lot because his art is kind of child-like and a bit "unfocused" but at the same time the technical aspects like angles and proportions are so spot on. It's this odd balance of technical mastery and unique art style that I find it so appealing.
Bro, it is called "composition."

>>4841310
Is there a statue head challenge or something floating around? I want to get better at values so I'm interested in trying too

>>4841314
nah he does head studies on the side and then 1 colored head every day. He posts the colored head and it looks like today he did a statue head so ye

but statue practice has been a thing for a while and its good for finding/learning values

Where do you guys find refs with two or more people? I can find tons and tons of single person images with photoshoots, modelings, etc. But sometimes I wanna do two character sketches. I usually have to make my own references using a phone app.

>>4841310

there you go bro, thank you for the kind words they means a lot

>>4840384
first things first.
gesture gesture gesture

>>4841318
Ohh okay thanks, in retrospect I don't know why the hell I thought there was a challenge going on, my bad. Gonna go do some statue studies either way.

>>4841318
originally it was one head from imagination a day, but as im lazy and realised it was pretty dumb i now draw a face from reference a day as i feel i will learn better

>>4841332
i use statues as i now im learning to paint, and statues have very clear values imo

>>4841325
ye np bro. I actually wanna see head 6 again as well. Wont bother you after that lol

>>4841364
idm lol, here you go

>>4841364
take em all fuck it

how do i draw without destroying my back, do I need a special chair or something?

>>4841366
>>4841369
yeah dude improvement started slow but in the last 20 or so you hella applied. Good shit headanon

>>4841378
honestly its just because i started using references

>>4841381
references are OP. You need to use them early game to scale into late

betty edwards is full of shit imo. tried reading that book after keys to drawing and it’s all the same info delivered in an annoying way. what little value remains can literally be found in the sticky

im so tired, i give up, its been 8 hours

How do I get references of muscular dudes? Only one I can think of is porn and that's what I've been using. Also, any resources or guides for drawing muscular dudes in general? So far I have gandered at a full body muscle reference when I’m drawing, not sure if I need something more. Anything helps.

Screwed up the sense of depth badly and the comp looks boring.
Any pointers frens?

>>4841433
just ask

>>4841433
also go here
>>4839408

>>4841442
Not sure if intentional, but this is a nice illustration of Coronavirus

>>4841453
Ye thats what i tried to do. Also attempted to mimmick moebius but it came out whack af, feels bad

stop posting niggers

>>4840672
based

>>4840397
Literally the only body part everybody has right in front of them at all times, very handy

>>4841488
not
gonna
make
it

How do I stop drawing slanted/crooked? I have to keep flipping my page or my drawings come out super angled even though it looks right before i flip.

10 minute poses, I know that they suppose to be 5 minute but I am way too slow.

>>4840498
>>4841071
>>4841432
>>4841442
>>4841512
Not beg, fuck off

>>4841519
if you think some of these arent beg wtf does your work look like jesus

>>4841527
Im a beg on the beg thread. pyw

>>4841529
>>4841176

i too am beg, just like every picture you quoted

>>4841531
i fucking bet your an /int/ /mid/wit or a /draw/fag coming to flex on us like all the posts i quoted

>>4841539
i just quoted my head anon, im very clearly beg

>>4841539
>>4841543
shut the fuck up and pyw

>>4841544

are you braindead? my work is below as i quoted before

>>4841176
>>4841176
>>4841176
>>4841176
>>4841176

>>4841543
head’s high end /beg/ we don’t want your kind round here.

>>4841550
high end beg is the exact people you want around here as they can point you in the right direction

>>4841549
why are you so afraid of pyw? you don’t want us to find out yer a bloody /int/ do you

Does anyone know what this would look like from the front? Cause I have no idea.

>>4841569
Look up porcelain dolls to help you visualize similar features in this case but a more general advice is:
Draw through form and think 3d, don’t just copy symbols that look good. Or if you are going to copy, copy insane amounts of works and angles and commit them to memory.

>>4841569
Make an attempt and post it here

The thing of beauty

>>4841586
anon take your finger, place it under your nose and now stroke down until you reach your lip, go on do it, ok now look back at your drawing

>>4841589
kek

>>4841595
dont do the mistake i did and just use a reference anon

>>4841589
That would make him soulless

>>4841519
this is the very first time in my life of being on /beg/ that I've finally been told I'm not beg and I feel honored hat my shitty art has made it on the list
this is mine >>4841432

>>4841589
What do you mean? its perfect, I used my photo as reference.

>>4841610
post ref

>>4841605
lolno, please stay in beg

>>4841605
my mistake, you are beg

>>4841615
>>4841623
let him have this guys...

>>4841531
Tell me this dude >>4841512
Is beg and i swear im going to slice my wrists open all across the length of the forearm.

Can anyone critique this? ive been trying to work on face shapes and i don't know if its shit or not. Most likely. But i need advice.

>>4841635
the composition and perspective is all kinds of beg anon, your being filtered because it looks 'pretty' and the line work is nice but in general yeah i admit its pretty nice overall

>>4841636
SOUL

>>4841643
Rawr x3 nuzzles how are you pounces on you you're so warm o3o notices you have a bulge o: someone's happy ;) nuzzles your necky wecky~ murr~ hehehe rubbies your bulgy wolgy you're so big :oooo rubbies more on your bulgy wolgy it doesn't stop growing ·///· kisses you and lickies your necky daddy likies (; nuzzles wuzzles I hope daddy really likes $: wiggles butt and squirms I want to see your big daddy meat~ wiggles butt I have a little itch o3o wags tail can you please get my itch~ puts paws on your chest nyea~ its a seven inch itch rubs your chest can you help me pwease squirms pwetty pwease sad face I need to be punished runs paws down your chest and bites lip like I need to be punished really good~ paws on your bulge as I lick my lips I'm getting thirsty. I can go for some milk unbuttons your pants as my eyes glow you smell so musky :v licks shaft mmmm~ so musky drools all over your cock your daddy meat I like fondles Mr. Fuzzy Balls hehe puts snout on balls and inhales deeply oh god im so hard~ licks balls punish me daddy~ nyea~ squirms more and wiggles butt I love your musky goodness bites lip please punish me licks lips nyea~ suckles on your tip so good licks pre of your cock salty goodness~ eyes role back and goes balls deep mmmm~ moans and suckles

>>4841328
gesture follows the tilt of the head, following the centre line (in this case the sternum, through the navel and groin) down to either the weight-bearing leg or if the weight is evenly distributed between the legs, then between where the feet land

>>4841328
Gesture != line of action
Read vilppu

jesus christ it's shit please help me. what can I do to shuffle the proportions or brush strokes to make it more appealing?

>>4841706
loomis/bucci go study

>>4841695
everyone teaches gesture differently

I should’ve used reference but I just wanted to get something down

>>4841706
that's a long neck

Someone in an /ic/ discord gave me a hard round brush with no size pressure and just opacity pressure and I don't really know why they insist that I use this when I'm just going to be drawing and not painting. Does anyone else have any idea?

>>4841816
It's because they're stupid. Use a brush you're comfortable with.

>>4841816
that brush looks fuckin nice tho sauce? assuming ur on csp

>>4841828
It's literally just a default round brush with opacity on and not size pressure? How is it "nice"? Lol I'm looking for answers here

>>4841846
hard brush hides no secrets, it is a pure manifestation of your arm movement and shows all mistakes

>>4841846
You dont need no fancy shit, it teaches raw mechanics. You dont rely on the tool, the tool relies on you

>>4841868
Okay, but not really? Because it's not size pressure, it's OPACITY PRESSURE, so, it doesn't show shit.
>>4841873
I guess I could get behind this but why Opacity Pressure and not Size Pressure?

>>4840335

>>4841909
pencil in real life has opacity but not size unless

>>4841921
stiff

>>4841928
I've been getting that often, any tips for making it less so?

Getting into automotive sketching

>>4841940
gesture/get dynamic references

Apparently it helps me a lot of jot down some nebulous paint to get the basic shapes down first before really doing the sketching. Also sitting instead of lying down. Is that normal? Can I GMI?

>>4841942
This dudes really sketching sentras over s chassis

>>4840951
IF GOD HAD WANTED YOU TO COOM HE WOULD NOT HAVE INVENTED ME

I've always inked with a mouse. I bought a wacom tablet years ago but couldn't get a good feel for it.

I am trying to use learn about different brushes, how to use them, etc, but they all look the same/shit. Is it because I'm using a mouse? Should I dust off my tablet and learn to use that if I want to actually use different brushes?

>>4842011
it's actually a versa

>>4840392

>>4840392
My biggest gripe with this is the nig has his hand out like he about to give him a high five and not like he's about to take the girl.

Spent a bit of time studying a few different eye styles but want to see what I could do. Still haven't done hair. I've just sort of been looking at images of hairstyles and attempting to reference/mimic them. Going to really need to sit down and those those sometime soon.

>>4841714
figured

yesterday i saw the thread about drawing a pose from imagination. so that's what i'm pushing here. just trying to see how far i can go without reference. its getting late. didnt get around to rendering yet.

>gesture
>rhythm
>feel the flow

Nothing in drawing pisses me off like trying to draw a figure in 60 seconds.

>>4842085
Yeah, I realized that was a fuck up, too. But I'd been struggling so hard to get it posed like he's about to grab her that I gave up. The arm always ended up bent in a wonky angle. Which probably just meant my perspective was getting fucked.

>>4842085
Yeah, that was bugging me, too. I'd tried to get the fingers curling around her but the angle of the arm kept getting wonky. Thanks, though.

Dumb question - does anyone know where I can get some decent pose sets for gesture drawing? I've gone through all of quickposes now and I don't feel like dropping $50 on proko's bullshit.

>>4842033
Most brushes use pressure sensitivity to change their opacities/densities. If you're using a mouse the opacity is pinned at max so you won't see the variation between brushes.

>>4842218
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing

>>4841816
yeah seems to be working perfectly tho?

Just fuck my shit up guys

Posting this so I feel compelled to do proper lineart/ink

Practice from peter han’s dynamic sketching. Texture on organic forms. Of course I don’t expect it to look as good as his but is there anything really exceedingly fucked on these?

>>4842326
The main thing I see is that everything looks flat. Try drawing through the forms for your contour lines to get full ellipses until you really get how they need to curve to appear 3D. Also, it looks like you're symbol drawing a bit in some places for your textures. draw what you see, not what you know.

>>4842326
https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/contourlines
https://drawabox.com/lesson/2/textureanalysis

>>4841098
i got them
we're all GMI!

Reminder that there's a 5-year old korean out there who can draw better than all of you and you should quit while you're ahead

What should I move on to after I finish Keys? Not that I ever will finish Keys

>>4842402
But if he’s already better than us then we’re NOT ahead which means we shouldn’t quit.

>>4842346
>>4842378
Should I maybe exaggerate the contours more too?

>>4842378
>>4842346
>>4842326
Yeah for some reason the circle drawing is hard for me but per the DAB thing if I sorta draw through the contours a bit and act like I’m making an ellipses it seems to help. A lot here are still fucked but some came out nicer it seems

I see a lot of mistakes now that I'm posting it but I don't really feel like working on this anymore tonight.

help, i cant quite copy or get delacroix's way of drawing for keys to drawing

>>4842323
Problems I see: legs too short, right hand too small? Yeah it's extremely foreshortened but I can't tell what's going on

anyone want to critique this before i plaster it with shitty scales? also how the fuck do you draw scales ezpz, do i really have to meticulously render each one

What am I doing wrong other than the eye?

What do you use gesture for exactly? As far as I can tell it's best for doing dynamic poses from life. Is it still something you can apply to more static poses from imagination? I'm having trouble trying to do that.

>>4842221

Makes sense. Thank you!

I failed at emulating Delacroix's style, keys to drawing
Am I talentless? When I used to be into divination the answer seemed to be that but I might just be insane regarding it

I got room in my fumes (Yeah)
She fill my mind up with ideas
I'm the highest in the room (It’s lit)
Hope I make it outta here (Let's go)

>>4842585
Gesture is a misnomer. Think of it as pose. Maybe there’s some real motion involved and other times there isn’t. The thing to remember is that you’ll benefit from doing the gesture or pose first because that becomes the foundation for the rest of the drawing. Get that down and you’ve nailed your proportions and perspective as well with some scribbled stick figures. This way you don’t have to manage those on top of keeping structure and anatomy in mind. It’ll make applying those much easier with the pose out of the way.

>>4842637
Oh, many, many years ago
When I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow
Who was pretty as can be
This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her
And soon the two were wed

This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life
For my daughter was my mother
'Cause she was my father's wife
To complicate the matter
Though it really brought me joy
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy

This little baby then became
A brother-in-law to Dad
And so became my uncle
Though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle
Then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter
Who of course is my step-mother

I'm my own grandpa
I'm my own grandpa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
Oh, I'm my own grandpa

I tried to copy the drawing from Delacroix instead of the simple lines one, that one was actually very hard.
I failed at the lion, am I talentless? a disgrace?

Can’t sleep. Kill me.

>>4842649
>>4842647
>>4842630
I know I've failed again but is there any hope? What makes everything I do look rushed?
I'm both Jane and John, a paradox of failure, I exist because of someone else but that's only a part of myself, the rest gave birth to itself, I'm my own father my own mother my own son and daughter my own grandpa, I'm a neverending loop of at the time, failure. Completely alone, everyone else is a zombie as far as I can ever know. Yet I've failed art again

It's better to paint the shadows and highlights in the same layer, or in different layers?

It's a bit difficult, I think.

I'm painting this in differents layers (shadows and lights), with shadows in multiply and light in overlay, but I don't know if this is ok or is better to paint both in the same layer for a best mix of colors

>>4842637
>>4842649
I'm a fucking imbecile, that's not even close to his style fuck fuck fuck
What should I do? I dont get what he did

>>4841639
my linework isn't nice

>>4842504
Copy harder

>>4841586
not /beg/

If anyone is interested CSP is half price

>>4842769
lol, what? How is this not /beg?

>>4840406
Too many jaggies, the weapon blends in with her silhouette and the single pixels of blood are just noise look up pixel logic for a great resource

>>4842547
Look up the texture guide like 5 posts above yours, more texture in dark places less in lighter areas, nice glavenus

>>4842681
Literally just keep trying. You’ll start to pick up on the patterns if you’re looking for them.

they need to invent a switch stylus

>>4842697
maybe not but it looks pretty and pleasing

>>4842033
How tf can you ink with a mouse?

>>4841635
god just fucking read the sticky you fucking beg

>>4842642
How would you gesture neutral poses? I've only ever done primary action lines.

>>4842929
Don't listen to that retard

>>4842642
I wish people like this were forced to post their work

Is the default G-pen in CSP good to use as it is or do I need some customization?

how do I draw the fucking nose my dudes

Any recommendation on artists to watch on Twitch? There are a shit ton but looking for recommendations to just have some people on in the background to observe how they go about their process.

>>4843016
Have you tried looking up "How to draw a nose"?

Passive aggressiveness aside that entire picture so far looks like you're symbol drawing and don't actually know how to draw anything on the face. I would recommend reading Hampton, or hell, even the fucking meme Loomis, since either one of them will help you massively in terms of just basic understanding of these features and their placement and shape on the face.

>>4841605
Same here, unintentional reverse psychology is dope

>>4841369
>>4841366
>>4841325
Head-anon, just wondering, is this just you trying on your own to figure out head angles without any construction or prior reading like Loomis or Hampton? Since I can't help but feel like you would have improved far more quickly if you weren't just trying to re-invent the wheel on your own. I don't see any construction lines or anything.

I mean still good on you for starting to get it, it just seems really inefficient.

>>4842538
Hey thanks for some feedback man. I see what you mean about the hand and I've enlarged it and defined it a bit more.

Do you really think the legs are too short? I was actually concerned that they too long when I laid out the anatomy. Maybe it's how far down his belt is?

This place is just auto posting bots isn't it.

>>4842171
This. Although I feel like I'm starting to figure out how to do it. Here's a tip that's starting to work for me, do those 60 second poses in a SMALL area. Don't try and make it a full page drawing. Separate your page into multiple boxes and each 60 second pose will be contained in that small box. I find that this helps me to focus and see the entire form better if i'm not trying to look at an entire page and fill it up.

Also another tip I'm starting to realize is to try and look at the negative space more. Really focus hard on the gaps and don't draw a "leg" or an "arm", but rather the two shapes that create the object in space. But yes it is difficult, but anything this difficult just means that it's going to end up being a good workout.

>>4843087
I would recommend Hampton or Loomis.

>>4842107

>>4843136
Thats cool as shit, bro. Lines look like a mess.

>>4843159
thanks, its impossible to make clean lines with this wacom intuous 4. i gave up, and instead i just tell people to stand back a few feet from their monitor. i promise my trad art has clean lines.

>>4843136

>>4843199

How do I stop having child tier line quality?

>>4843221
krita has settings to make your lines look smoother. dunno about other software though

>>4843249
How do I stop having child tier line quality with pencil?

>>4843136
TO BE HONEST I actually liked the non-colored version more. I think because of the line quality like another anon mentioned. If the lines aren't cleaned up, the sketch ends up looking better than the colored product because you really need those fine, clean lines to go with the finished version.

>>4843253
Unironically do the first few lessons in Drawabox. The stuff with Superimposed lines and shit. It teaches you how to draw with your shoulder and elbow, and how to get more confident in your lines so you can make strong, straight strokes in one go, without needing to go over it multiple times ruining it, or having a line that looks shaky.

That's legit one of the things Drawabox is actually good for.

>>4843253
I'm this anon

>>4843275
Posting my work just to back up my advice. I feel like there are some things I need to work on of course, but I feel far more confident in my lines these days. This is just with a regular mechanical pencil.

>>4840335
>watch video about rendering
>explain saturation and value again
>done now you are an expert
what is every tutorial like this? how do I learn to render digital paint?

>>4843271
i agree with you. i like it better without color. but as i told the other anon. I can't make the lines better because of my tablet. maybe someday i can get a better one. i guess i could use the paths tool but thats going to be tedious and look like shit.

freehand. time for a new thread.

>>4843275
I've done a fair bit of Drawabox but with fineliner. The problem isn't so much that my lines are shakey but that I've been doing overhand grip after doing a figure drawing course and I'm still struggling to get lines that are either light and broad or dark and fine.

I had an erotic dream and emma roberts was in it, last evening my waitress was named emma... pls advise

>>4843332
Girl in the back has a cool old-fashioned cartoon style, reminds me of Robert Crumb

If you're a complete beginner is the thing to do to just draw references over and over again?

>>4843436
yes. Even professionals use references very often

>>4843436
yes, but read the beginning of keys to drawing and do what it tells you. also don’t wait too long to start line quality/perspective and gesture. the focus and order of importance depends on how much you want to draw people

>>4843494
by "beginning" do you mean the first chapter?

>>4843508
first couple chapters, yeah

>>4843422
I like me some Crumb and Catholic schoolgirls

>>4842851
Are you sure? it feels like others manage to grasp keys to drawing easier

>>4843611
>>4843611
>>4843611

>>4843587
Hell yeah. Draw more of that.

Because I eventually learn lots of different styles, e.g. realistic portrait and figure drawing, digital, anime, etc. i couldn't decide on which resources to use for ages.

Then decided I should start with the goal for first being able to draw accurate still life.

So after seeing basic 3d forms and shapes being mentioned on nearly every course and book, I decided to draw a can on my desk.

But it seems nearly impossible to get proportions correct, even when trying to measure with a pencil and practicing ellipses etc.

Is there any book or course that goes into these basic skills such as accuracy and proportions, and emphasize that first?