/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Shut the fuck up nobody cares

>>4829409
>what is he talking about these lessons are pretty generic...
>hmmm ok things are kinda oddly similar but breaking down inking would obviously...
>well umm the sequence of lessons is fairly similar....
>uh...
>45:30 Jake Parker posted on instagram stuff from Dunn's book. (insta post has now been deleted.)
Well I still think Dunn is overreacting on some exercise examples but there are some things that make you wonder if Jake or a ghost writer took notes from Dunn's book to improve their own.

>>4829409
Stfu jake, cover is a nigger

>>4829409
>>White boy stealing from Black Man
Story as old as dirt

>>4829409
Here is an edited shorter version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN7fDU4Cil8

>>4830299
I hate this entire debacle cause I actually stand with Dunn on this and a big fan of his work. I own his book and have recommended it to many for years now, but I hate that it’s being turned into the stupid race-bait argument you’re making right now, which is something I definitely do not agree with. Noose yourself nigger, and no, not nigger cause you’re black, Dunn is black and he’s not a nigger. Nigger cause you’re a literal piece of shit race-baiting nigger.

>>4830323
I stand with Dunn too. Jake was too lazy about this, like those jap artists that just rip off loomis and bridgman for their anime books

>>4830326
Jake is a piece of shit, and he had already fucked up by trademarking Inktober to benefit from other artists’ work.

As for the Japs, I can be more forgiving due to the language barrier, and the fact that they’re translating the concepts not only to a different audience, but also people with different sensibilities, so what loomis says isn’t word for word regurgitated with the exact same diagrams like in this case. Rather the core idea os restructured under the anime lens, which is transformative, and thus acceptable.

>>4830323
If he really cared then he wouldn't keep attempting to derail the thread so it gets deleted

>>4829409
gmis read guptill

>>4829409
I really would´ve given Jake the benefit of the doubt if it weren´t for the bullshit he did with inktober. The guy is so fucking greedy yet pretends to be humble. So I´m not shocked that he would pay some 3rd worlder $50 to ghostwrite a book on ink drawing and end up in a plagiarism battle because of it. Jake´s publishers are dumb as shit for not doing research on existing books too.

>>4830323
You’re a fuckin moron

>>4830361
What did he do with inktober?

>>4830326
>japs literally worship loomis
Mfw

>>4830742
The jist of it is that parker copyrighted the phrase 'inktober' and sued a bunch of artists using the term in their own works so that he could use it to market his shitty product line. Inktober is basically a free ad campaign for JP's merch now.

>>4830778
Lol what a piece of shit, fuck this guy.

>>4830335
not to mention loomis can be a bit hard to understand but obviously has really good knowledge and people simplifying him is not a bad thing.

>>4829747
>>4830298
damn what's up with these faggots

>>4830326
>>4830335
nips have been drawing manga since 1800's you absolute faggot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokusai_Manga

>>4829409
Jake Parker is a hack, i wouldn't put this beyond him

>>4831259
nobody is disputing that? is modern manga anything like 1800's manga? no not even close.

modern manga making books are just loomis/bridgman rip offs.

https://twitter.com/ChronicleBooks/status/1299394332374437890
>Thank you for everyone’s notes on the upcoming book, Inktober All Year Long. Our team is taking this matter very seriously and investigating the situation. We have held the release of this book while we look into this matter. We will share more when we can.
https://twitter.com/DeviantArt/status/1299406096260460545
>Unfortunately, DeviantArt will no longer be hosting the Inktober Awards in 2020. Stay tuned for news about our next community event!

>>4831378
He also got dropped by LightBox Expo

To all the people saying he´s gonna bounce back in a month after this.... I dunno

>>4831378
lmao

>>4831378

Jake Parker made a mistake copying for a black guy.

WTF was he even thinking.

Art is full of SJW. He probably blacklisted now.

>>4829747
This. Everyone plagiarizes from everyone else

>>4831429
>unironically using the term "essjaydubya" in 2020

>>4831378
>Unfortunately, DeviantArt will no longer be hosting the Inktober Awards in 2020.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No company would dare side with Jake with all the racecard stuff that is happening on social media.

>>4831436
would you prefer SocJus?
>>4831398
I wonder how much of it is people being worried about the optics of siding against Dunn vs genuine ethical concern. Well, I'm happy if the guy gets justice.

At the very least it was a dumb idea. Even if it was all pure coincidence, Jake knows Dunn's book exists, and putting down the same techniques (including ones you don't use) and formats into a new book while Dunn's book is still fresh is just low-effort moneymaking.

If Jake Parker was known for actually applying the concepts he's trying to teach that would be one thing but I always thought his inking was pretty simple and it's the marker work where he really shines.

>>4831429
>Jake Parker made a mistake copying for a black guy.
There´s no winning for Jake in this situation, he´s been fucking up for years
>first makes idiotic statement that digital art doesn´t qualify to participate in Inktober, walks back statement after internet backlash
>trademarks the hashtag Inktober, sends lawyers after artists selling art online, faces backlash again, but then claims he had no clue this would happen (total BS)

Now he releases a garbage drawing book with content that looks 90% like a book only published 4 years ago and (coincidentally) written by a black author. LOL What´s he gonna do now? Sue Alphonso for defamation? That should go over really well in 2020 America where everything is now a partisan, white vs black shitshow. Jake´s reputation online is already burnt. Even if he wins in court he will be known in America as the asshole white guy who tried to ruin a black artists career. Alphonso never made race an issue but, naturally, armchair activists on twitter and tumblr are already calling Jake out as a racist.

>>4831469
>armchair activists on twitter and tumblr are already calling Jake out as a racist.
are they?

>>4831469
>trademarks
>claims he had no clue this would happen
Guaranteed he was lying, every lawyer knows that if you register a trademark you HAVE TO defend it or risk the courts declaring it "generic" and can be used by everyone.
He would have been told this when he asked a lawyer to file for the trademark.

Let's not make it a race issue. Jake is an asshole, it's his first time doing greedy things

>>4831486
it's not up to us, sadly.

>>4831473
Not that guy but the race things I've been seeing have been less about calling Jake racist and more about black artists backing up another black artist and feeling like they're being robbed as a community. This would still be a big issue if Alphonso was a white dude.

>>4831491
eh, lowlifes of all races steal from each other, but we're united against that kind of behaviour, so it's not a systemic problem, no? I don't like the insinuation that we as a society are stealing from minority communities.

>>4829409
How different is Alphonso Dunn’s book from Rendering in Pen and Ink?

>>4831473
I´ve seen a lot of posts like this on twitter an a few commentaries calling his actions racist, yeah. There´s a post currently going around on tumblr with over 120k+ likes/reblogs about the situation, also pointing out that Alphonso is a black artist too. It´s not long before it becomes a racial thing rather than the acual issue of plagiarism.

>>4831398
>He also got dropped by LightBox Expo
because of this? what happened?

>>4831509
>spoke against digital inktober
what a retard. deserves everything he's gonna get

>>4831509
jesus christ, the spirit of resentment is enveloping every aspect of our lives and it's becoming impossible to talk about controversies intelligently because everyone just wants to push their fucking agenda. we really have to find a way to effectively make fun of these retards that doesn't give them the easy out of calling us racists.
>>4831518
ah, right on time.
>lol, who cares if we're being stupid. this guy deserves everything that's coming to him :DDD
end yourself you oversized cancer cell

>>4831516
From what I understand it´s because of the situation.
DeviantArt is one of the companies that is sponsoring LightBox expo this year. If DA is cutting ties with Jake, it makes sense LightBox would avoid getting involved with him too. Companies don´t want the twitter mob coming after them for supporting Jake.

>>4831461
>putting down the same techniques (including ones you don't use)
this is the only thing that irks me

>>4831507
based

>>4831509
as far as i know it was the inktober logo he copyrighted. nonsensical move either way

I get the non digital inktober tho. it's supposed to be a traditional challenge. However from a business perspective it was also a nonsensical move because it could only make it grow bigger.

>>4831509
based

>>4831521
>we really have to find a way to effectively make fun of these retards that doesn't give them the easy out of calling us racists.
Or we just stop giving a shit when they call us racist. Words only have the power the collective give them, if enough people stop giving a shit about being called racist then the word loses the power it has in our current PC culture. Because of people like this calling everyone and everything racist, its only a matter of time before become increasingly desensitized to the term and a tipping point is reached.

>>4831533
it wasn't "supposed" to be traditional media only: the exact same methods and principles apply to both physical and digital inking
99% pros and amateurs are working digital. making it exclusively real-life-paper would be elitist and excluding for no good reason

>>4831545
it was. everyone knows you can't Ctrl Z in real life. that's the challenge.
>inb4 white corrector

>elitist
are you implying you can afford the whole digital setup and not pen and paper?

And again, it was nonsensical move either way

>>4831533
Yeah, the inktober mess is what made me lose respect for Jake. A hashtag is nothing without people on social media using it. Jake presented himself like a white knight defending the tag from muh racism. Now he´s ironically caught in a situation where people are accusing him of stealing from a black artist. Karma is a bitch.

>>4831540
>just ignore the bullies and they'll go away :)
lmao
No. If you don't challenge ideology it just keeps taking isolated pieces for free until it gains enough mass and you can no longer ignore it.

>art books
>original
aren't all art books same

>>4830299
>voluntarily change ideas
>or face disciplinary action
hmmmm

>>4831674
to be fair, voluntarily =/= optionally

>>4830299
I can't believe these materialist cunts are unironically using the expression "original sin" when talking about the legacy of racial discrimination.

>>4831398
>>4831516
Not just Jake but SVS Learn too
If I were his business partner I would mad. This guy is really bad news.

i dont like blacks and i don't rate alphonso at all.
i haven't read his book but i imagine its full of shit that's been in art learning books for 100+ years

but jake parker is a fucking retard that deserves everything he gets desu

>>4831768
Jake is a cofounder of SVS Learn
https://www.svslearn.com/what-we-do
You can see his colleage Lee White defending Jake with this thread
https://forum.svslearn.com/topic/10012/inktober-book-plagerism-accusations

>>4831768
lmao he's taking the whole ship down with him

>>4831806
i cba to watch the video but is this comment true?

>>4831806
apparently Jake Parker's been teaching in this way for years and has been inspired and referenced Alphonso's book for a while. I legitimately don't think Jake plagiarized Alphonso's book with evil intentions, he was just fucking lazy about it and now its biting him in the ass.

that said, svslearn fucking sucks, their classes suck, and no one should subscribe to that site.

>>4831834
That comment is missing the point, it's not about the techniques, it's about the teaching style, format, layouts

>>4831834
No because if he actually watched the video he'd know it's not based on 2 sample pages on Amazon but the entire book flip through.

>>4831844
ive seen videos and books made well before any of these that have shown this concept? its not new at all..

>>4831768
Holy shit

>>4831806
>>4831834
Absolute desperate brainlets defending Jake. If you read Guptil, Dunn presents some of the same the same techniques but in a different format. From what we see of Jake’s book, he stole Dunn’s format. In college texts books, when diagrams and examples are reused, the original author is credited. Jake’s only hope is that he did this and Dunn’s publisher failed to let him know, but from the way the inktober publisher is reacting, this is likely not the case.

>>4831846
>still missing the point
Watch the video

>>4831855
For the record I prefer Guptill to either and recommend his books. They’re a bit more word heavy than Dunn’s though if you’re not much of a reader.

>>4831834
The techniques aren't anything new but if you'd start to write something like that from scratch there are too many coincidences that Jake just happened to choose to present them nearly identically to Dunn's book instead of coming up with one of the thousands other possibilities on their own.

Dunn clearly wrote his book himself and thought the best ways (in his opinion) to present what he wanted to teach. Parker decided to be lazy and just copy his homework but change it up a bit so it doesn't look exactly the same so he wouldn't need to use any brain power (that I doubt he even has) to make his own version.

>>4831846
Post those books then. The "Unconventional Tools" pages is a dead giveaway that Jake plagiarized. The same exact 4 tools and in the same exact order. Show me another book with that same exact sequence.

>>4829409
yeah he copied even the structure. shameless

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CEdRtshB6Hc/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_linka

peter han has done a 27minute rant on the whole thing if anyone cares

>>4831902
this whole situation really sucks for other professionals. Either they take one side or the other or have to wiggle their way in through the middle, and Peter Han has ties with Jake Parker so its even more difficult for him

>>4831905
or they just stay out of it because it doesn't concern them

>>4831905
>oh no, it must be so difficult for them to address a controversy honestly because they're socially determined groupthinking weasels
lmao, fuck normies

>>4831916
>>4831921
wouldn't they be called out if they didn't take a side? as if they were implicitly supporting jake

>>4831926
no, because this isn't one of those highly emotional controversies where the mob forces people to take a side and silence is complicity.

>>4831926
by whom? twitter? reddit? 4chan?

>>4831902
I watched Peter Han's video and he was being pretty disingenuous to the criticisms. Dunn has a lot of the things Guptil talks about in his book but not presented in the same way. That's the whole point. There's a ton of perspective drawing books but they are hardly ever executed the same way and perspective is much more objective than inking.

>>4831905
Hm, the industry professionals sure are quiet this time around...

fact: if BLM wasn't a thing right now, Parker would be fine.

>>4831905
>Peter Han
His video was rambling dogshit. I don´t know why even bothered to post
>y-yeah Alphonso has every right to be mad
>but the concepts aren´t new
>b-but he i see his point
>b-but Jake is a good guy!
>ummm i dunno m-maybe he should´ve talked to him
lol really Peter? And do you really think if Alphonso contacted him first Jake would´ve said ¨aww shucks yeah, sorry Alphonso, I´ll stop publishing my book¨ or would he have pulled another ´oops I didn´t know this would happen´ and carry on as usual?

>>4831962
>and do you really think if Alphonso contacted him first Jake would´ve said ¨aww shucks yeah, sorry Alphonso, I´ll stop publishing my book¨ or would he have pulled another ´oops I didn´t know this would happen´ and carry on as usual?

the fact is he should have done this before posting a typical nigger rant on youtube because muh feelings.
alphonso knows he can't sue because half the shit in his book is nothing new and he himself has stolen over the years.

alphonso is a nigger and jake is a retarded jew.

>>4831970
If you feel that way you deserve to have shit stolen from you

>>4831993
my entire country has already been stolen by niggers and jews so fuck them

>>4831999
I don't believe humans like this exist. Sometimes I forget I'm on 4chan

>>4831970
>the fact is he should have done this before posting a typical nigger rant on youtube because muh feelings.
And what good would contacting first Jake have done? You honestly believe the same dude who trademarked a hashtag and sent his lawyers after people online would stop publishing his book because someone asked him to or Alphonso in on the profits? Lol come on
>alphonso knows he can't sue because half the shit in his book is nothing new and he himself has stolen over the years.
Jakes publisher has put the release on hold
Alphonso´s publisher is already looking into the copyright infringement case.
Sure doesn´t sound like the reaction publishers would take on a bullshit accusation. Also: look at all the figure drawing books that are out today. They´re all talking about shit the old masters figured out centuries ago, yet somehow they manage not to be copies of one another. As >>4831863 said, post images from the books you claim Alphonso ¨stole from¨ that show a clear resemblance to layout and teaching materials he has in his book.

>>4831999
If you’re a burger it’s your own fault

>>4832001
>humans like this
what do you mean by that? racists who hate people based on the color of their skin and probably don't quite consider them human? don't lie to yourself, you've seen those people around. this is just one particular variant of that type, no more or less vile or dangerous than the others.

>>4831509
Honestly I doubt that the fact that Dunn is black is going to have a huge effect on this situation outcome-wise. Dunn was, regardless of race, an extremely well liked artist with a lot of followers. The fact that the black community is coalescing around this issue is ultimately going to be a small contribution compared to the outrage that's already started about the plagiarism. This would have ended exactly the same way if Dunn were white.

damn didn't realise i was on reddit from some of these posts

>>4832001
fuck off jew

>>4832021
Dunn doesn’t bring up race at all in his video and I’m glad he didn’t and glad he made it all about artistic integrity, but the twitter mob is screaming about how it’s a case of whites stealing from black artists.

>>4830323
absolutely based

>>4831436
>policing others use of language
smells like an sjw

>>4831545
I agree too. I believe making inktober traditional only was actually suppose to help artists because being unable to "undo/ctrlz" while they ink would make them think more critically about how they apply their pen strokes.

I remember when there was a inktober hashtag for the anime fandom I follow on twitter and all the japanese artists did strictly traditional only.

>>4831556

>99% pros and amateurs are working digital. making it exclusively real-life-paper would be elitist and excluding for no good reason

They literally sell felt tip pens and sketchbooks at dollar tree for ONE dollar each. I've tried the sketchbook and felt pens and the quality wasn't bad at all. Dollar tree is a underrated place for art supplies. My local DT sells canvases and crafting supplies too.

https://www.dollartree.com/color-scents-medium-felt-tip-pens-2ct-packs/252494

https://www.dollartree.com/inc-optimus-fashion-felt-tip-pens-2ct-packs/311651

https://www.dollartree.com/drawing-pads-9x12-in/924753

I've seen plenty of well made inktober pieces that were just done with cheap disposable ballpoint ink pens too. The real "elitist" part would be that it would be hard to take a good picture of your drawing if you can't afford a good camera or flatbed scanner.

A shitty camera can make the most well made inktober drawing look like absolute shit.

Blacks over jews

>>4831902
PETER HAN IS JUST PLAGIARIZING NORMAN SCHUREMAN'S METHODS REEEEEEE

CHINESE STEALING AMERICAN IDEAS REEEE

This is how Alphonso Dunn x Jake Parker bullshit reaches my ears. Just activists looking for reason to torch another USA town.

>>4832320
>Chinese
Peter Han is Korean American

>>4830323
There is no either or when it comes to slurs. Either they all are or no one is.

>>4832488
Everyone knows Asian people are honorary whites in the eyes of slacktivists... unless they want to whine about "cultural appropriation" on their behalf

>>4832511
shut up nigger

>>4831634
Not what I said dude, I don't mean you ignore them completely - you just ignore them when they call you racist. The problem is the moment you are called racist you find yourself going on the defensive and trying to explain why you aren't racist or whatever, thus you are surrendering control of the conversation. That's how they manipulate you and that's how they win, because they are dragging you onto turf where they have the homefield advantage.
They call you racist, you ignore the comment and keep making your points and discussing why you are right about the issue. Don't let them deflect. The more people do this, the less and less effective the "racism" card becomes. Tackle their bullshit head-on while ignoring their personal attacks.

>>4831545
>99% pros and amateurs are working digitally.

Made up percentage.
I would say that 80% of professional inkers still work traditionally.

Inktober is supposed to be a challenge. The whole point of it is trying to be consistent with tools and time constraints.

Digital inking is way easier:
You have ctrl-z.
You can use vector layers.
You don't have to figure out how to do patterns, you can just download brushes.
Drawing straight lines, curves and ellipses is infinitely easier with rulers.
You don't have to think about inks and paper brands.

I'm saying that as someone that loves traditional inking but switched to digital because is faster.

>>4831941
So then you agree, black lives do matter. And the movement is totally working as justice can finally be served and no white male self made artist can realize success ever again.

No matter how much soul, charm, genuineness, family, or love is displayed, watching a nice guy who loves drawing for his family get destroyed by social justice is pure entertainment. Jake deserves to have everything stripped from him. His wife should divorce him. His children made to work on plantations. He shouldn’t be allowed to draw again. Nobody should be allowed to like or retweet any of his artwork. Everything he has made has been made because he is a scumbag and always has been. He forces his family to ship thousands of his books like slaves. They should cut his hands off. He is despicable. We should hold book burnings with his work.

Hm.... I will need a free PDF copy of each to better make a decision.

Another day, another /ic/ thread becoming a /pol/ one. FUCK

stop pretending black lives would matter!

>>4833040
Stop pretending you're oppressed because you can't say the N word anymore

>>4833003
the first paragraph on its own would have been good bait, the second turns this post into a comedic achievement. 9.3/10

>>4833054
where i come from, we never had a problem with niggas, only with jews.

I am going to steal from asstists who complains about people stealing from them.

>>4833054
I don’t live in America, imagine living in America, what a nigger

>>4831545
But then the zoomers showed up and demanded a participation trophy despite not even inking using the same hashtag. Inktober was already dead last year when people posted things like this.

>>4831545
Hey buddy, you seem to be lost. Tumblr is two blocks down.

>>4831806
lol Jake's fanclub saying he should sue for damages to his reputation. The laws in America are so strict that he doesn't have a case, even if he can somehow prove he didn't copy Alphonso's book.

>>4833214
all people defending Jake are white trump supporters, look at their insta profiles

>>4830313
Me and my anal process of watching the OP video before scrolling down... fuck.

>>4831290
>nobody is disputing that?
Not a valid English question.

>>4831378
Imagine getting dumped by DEVIANTSHART

moderndayjames siding with Jake Parker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgvM-Cz79BQ

>>4832036
This. It's hard to be black and based, with all these Crab Lives Matter holding you back into the pity bucket.

>>4831846
>ive seen videos and books made well before any of these that have shown this concept?
I don't know, how am I supposed to know whether or not you have seen such books?

>>4831378
>>4831398
it's kind of messed up that he's getting dropped by multiple companies and getting his book launch fucked up, but he kind of deserves it because of his inktober jewery. it's a big jew eat small jew type of world

>>4833712
>kind of messed up
>kinda deserves
Ever thought about having at least one opinion in your life that doesn't require beating around the bush?

>>4833725
I was bullied as a child I'm sorry anon

>>4833635
its not a question

>>4833693
gimme the TLDR? cba to sift through 2 hours

>>4833725
he is implying that he can see the other side of the story as well

fuck off retard

Crab lives matter!
I CANT DRAW

>>4829747
>nobody cares
lmao, half of the artist community on social media has already cancellee him.

It's over for the inktober.

>>4833783
not OP but the guy literally says it's a joke trying to make a pun and not taking any sides. It happens around the 7th minute.

>>4831436
Social justice warrior? That's literally what they are. They're self-righteous idiots crusading for some twisted form of retributive, vengeful "justice" for social inequality. Of course we're using "essjaydubya", unironically, in Anno Domini MMXX, because it's just as relevant now as it was before if not moreso, o thou horse-cum respirating faggot of apocalyptic proportions.

lmao I'm suprised Jake didn't get cancelled with the Inktober thing a few years ago

>>4833840
:thinkingemoji:
lol sure, no sides. I noticed this comment on Peter Han's Instagram video

>>4833693
It's a fucking pun, pretty sure James is neutral about it. Don't put words in his mouth he was making a joke

>>4833780
Then why does it have a QUESTION mark?

>>4833812
>he
No man writes like that, sweatie.

>>4834326
I think he will now, honestly. Even if he still gets in-house work, the online community has had enough of his shit. He really pulled this crap at the worst time possible.
I find it funny that his fans really believe Alphonso's life will be ruined over it.

>>4834332
No shit, half james' videos about figure drawing are direct copies from Michael Hampton's book

>>4834904
retard

I was skeptical at 1st, but God Damn...

'Could have at least spoken to Dunn before hand.

>>4835874
Kek

>>4835936
>"Alphonso's book is mostly inking & drawing instruction"
>"Jake's book focuses more on inspiration, motivation, and prompts."
Why am I not surprised.

>>4829747
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>>4833948
Seething

>>4835982
Coping

>>4835960
>>4835936
Lol makes the situation worse. Why did Jake even bother to copy from Alphonso's book if he just wanted to make a collection of prompts? Not only is Jake a thief, he's fucking retarded. Dude basically threw away his entire career for nothing

>>4831507
I just found the pdf and it's really different. Alphonso's book (from what I saw in the video) is way more condensed and visual. The Arthur Guptill book is very wordy and doesn't include example practice blocks and stuff it's more pictures of finished ink drawings/compositions. The one similarity is that it starts with like tools and penmanship techniques but they seem like pretty different books.

>>4829409
Lol joggers are always going on how they invented or mode something they didn't, its laughable. We Wuz Kangz and ssshhhiiiiieeeeettt.

>>4829409
So he essentially cancelled Inktober, sent out a few dozen C&D orders, shut down about a hundred etsy and Amazon stores so he can churn out a plagiarized How to Draw book?

All of this shit over the last year was just for a How to Draw book?

>>4830299
This sounds like a Federal level censorship board.

>>4834326
He made enemies out of a lot of artists last December when he trademarked the term Inktober, and told absolutely no one. Everyone learned this when they received their cease and desist orders killing a lot of their own stores in the process. Then got his fans to angrily defend this move and attack anyone who was not happy about it.

>>4830323
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>>4831941
A lot of people are going to be standing with Dunn, but based on the fact that they just plain do not like Jake after his Inktober issue last year. This is just the ammo they need to take Jake down a few pegs and they have been looking for a while. Jake fucked himself with the online art community already before this came up.

>>4836340
Link to Guptill?

>>4836957
>He made enemies out of a lot of artists last December when he trademarked the term Inktober
He's a complete moron. To add fuel onto the fire, Inktober was allegedly supposed to be about "artistic growth" but then he decided there was going to be a contest - well, that went to shit.
Inktober would have been nothing without the thousands of artists participating.

>>4836929
yeah funny isn't it?

>>4836929
He's behaving like a very desperate person. Like someone with money problems. Inktober has been dying ever since the first drama over digital vs trad. I don't get why he's still trying to bank on it instead of creating something new. You'd think a guy who worked in the animation industry for years would be better than all this, but here we are.

>>4837027
Did he just completely run out of money or something? He is acting like he needs to pay for his sick aunt's operation right now and is doing anything and everything to make some cash immediately.

>>4835346
+krenz
+scott robertson

>Parker jews over inktober and shields using racism as a cover
>Plagiarizes a black author
It's like pottery, it dries.

>>4836976
Sorry I forget the exact website but just search it on google.

>>4829409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cYxASVCSTY

>>4831902
Peter han argues that both Alphonso and Jake both independently learned about inking and came to similar conclusions and whips out Guptil

But Jake parker literally cites Alphonso's book in his own book.
So thats a yikes from me. I thought /ic/ said Peter Han was based.

>>4837442
Still amazed at people thinking Dunn is acusing Jake of stealing fundmentals, are these people stupid or something?

30 day ink drawing marathon sucked anyway. It sucked so bad it made me take up watercolour instead.

>>4837453
I argue that Peter Han independently learned about drawing so I have every right to pirate his stuff. No remorse. Hell, the concept of moving pencil across the paper isn't anything new and I should be able to pirate whatever I'd like. It's not even piracy at this point. I'm taking what is basically common knowledge.

>>4835936
how is it plagiarism if he credited him?

Let's be honest here, are you guys siding with Dunn just because he's a nigger?

>>4838609
wondering about the mindset required to make a post like this

>>4838609
>not siding against Jake because he's a jew.

>>4838611
Oh it's easy, honey. You just see the retarded posts assuming how all the anons shitting on blacks are automatically white americans.

>>4838561
For starters, Jake didn't say he was quoting from Alphonso in the text, therefore presenting the copied parts as his own words when they are not. Second: You cannot cite someone else's work in your book without permission unless it's a review of some kind. Even in that case there are limitations to how much you can use. It's obvious that Alphonso didn't know Jake credited him. If Jake sent him an email about it or asked him to review a copy of the book before printing it there wouldn't be drama right now.

>>4838853
*Someone else's work that isn't in public domain

>>4836976
Should be able to find it on library genesis

>>4836929
Kind of makes the whole situation even more fucked up. He did all of this, killed a hashtag, killed individual artists shops, killed any element of fandom he had, killed his standing on all social media, and any hope of a future career in art... for a simple how to draw manual that are always piled up in the back corner of any book store next to the bathrooms. Even if it was moderately successful it would still be a forgotten $8 book in the bargain bin of all book stores in no real time at all.

>>4836929
>>4836957
>>4836991
>>4837027
>>4839169
Things are getting to the point where he might as well go full asshole and start selling other people's inktober drawings in a published book that he "Technically" has legal rights to. It would not make his standing with the art community any worse than it already is, and probably for a nicer amount than any how to book ever would.

I'm ngmi anyway so might as well enjoy the art community drama.

>>4837883
Yes. The "art lifestyle and gossip" sphere of youtube is populated by midwits, that's why it's such a lucrative market compared to catering to the tiny minority of above-average intelligence aspiring artists who are serious about learning the craft.

>>4838853
Yeah, Jake doesn't speak to people before he makes an action. This is the same issue last December. If he had told people he was trademarking #Inktober and warned people to remove the title from their etsy and Amazon stores then again, there would have not been such a huge issue. Instead he said nothing and people had their stores deleted with C and D notices threatening legal action. When all he had to do was tell people.

>>4838609
I don't see race :)

>>4839206
this but unironically

>>4839205
How do you think the art community would react if he were to counter with a defamation suit?

>>4839225
Would it even matter at this point? He has no fans, and people are afraid to touch drawing prompts

>>4839244
>He has no fans
he still has boomers and industry people defending him

>>4839248
We should just cancel the whole industry at this point.

>>4839253
bring out the guillotine!

>>4839248
>Industry people
Like who? I've only seen Peter Han saying anything and he was hedging around giving Jake his full support in the video.
Bobby Chiu has already cut ties with Jake and SVS learn by dropping them from LightBox Expo. I really don't think Jake will bounce back from this mess. He's gone too far this time.

>>4839248
A lot of people were defending him back in December, but I have not seen a lot of defense in the last week during this event.

>>4835936
Damned if you do and damned if you don't isn't it really? You do some market research into other people who do the same kind of work you like to do. You even source them, but then if you are in the unfortunate situation to get a plagiarism accusation it seems like the smoking gun. What was the best thing not to create a bibliography?

>>4841495
You actually make the the work transformative instead of lifting content wholesale. It's not that hard, citations have exists longer than either of us have been alive.

>>4835936
>bailey jay

Hmmm

>>4839181
>and start selling other people's inktober drawings in a published book that he "Technically" has legal rights to
Just because he owns the trademark, that doesn't mean the individually made pieces fall under his ownership. All he can do, is sending out C&Ds and sue for violations

>>4841708
He was on her channel just a month ago to promote himself, the vid is still up. Galaxy-brain Jake thought it was a better idea to send her a copy instead of Alphonso. Now she outed him, lol.

>>4829409
I stand with Alphonso!