/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4811550
Fuck off /pol fag

Somebody make another thread

>>4811550
I dont want your biased recommendations you faggot I want recommendations from the thread.

>>4811555
I will make now

>>4811555
>>4811592
>chink is mad
Yeah I'm totally biased recommending used tablets you dirty yellow bug.

>>4811597
Fuck off /pol/

>>4811550
Are 24HDs still worth it? I'd like the extra drawing space for my animation workflow

>>4811599
>no shitty chinese tablets being shilled
>m-m-muh /pol/!!!
The fact that you care so deeply about this is just further proof you're a disgusting shill and should be discarded.

This is the real thread whether you like it or not, bug.

>>4811550
What are the best drawing apps for the iPad besides Procreate?

>>4811602
Wacom is chink shit you buffoon

>>4811600
No.

>>4811603
Clip Studio Paint

>>4811604
Only since 2015, idiot. There is a reason old Wacom is being recommended in the OP, bit being the Chinese moron that you are, details like that don't concern you.

Even still, being manufactured in China is different to being designed by Chinese. Even Wacom tablets made in China are still far better quality than garbage like Huion because they're designed better

>>4811607
other version

>>4811550
Based OP. Fuck China shills.

>>4811608
>Clip Studio Paint
Why are CSPshills so delusional and desperate? It's just a Port of the desktop version and not properly optimized for portable tablets. Not to mention it's expensive and charges a fucking subscription.

ArtStudio Pro is far better as an alternative to Procreate.

Are you thinking of buying a Chinese Tablets? Think again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

>>4811617
You're allowed to give your input without being an insufferable cunt, you know. If you don't want to use that program then don't, I don't care. Just giving a suggestion.

>>4811623
>c-cunt!
You're not intelligent.

>>4811626
ArtStudio shills actually act like this lmao

Are used iPads really that reliable?

>>4811555
>/pol/ fag
Hey, don't slander /pol/ like that

>>4811643
No.

>>4811643
Used is a lottery, but at the very least you'll be getting a far better product than anything designed by chinese. The Apple Pencil is the best digital pen on the market.

How big of a deal is parallax?

>>4811746
Nowadays not much of one. Even on the non laminated screens the glass is so close to the screen that its a non-issue.

>>4811746
You just get used to it.

>>4811611
>Even still, being manufactured in China is different to being designed by Chinese. Even Wacom tablets made in China are still far better quality than garbage like Huion because they're designed better
Lolno, Wacom tablets made in China are no different from chink company tablets made in China like Huion, in terms of build quality or specs. Or the fact that they literally spy on you. Maybe if modern Wacoms were made in India then you might have a point.

>>4811611
>>4811897
Oh yeah, I forgot. Chink made Wacom tablets have the same specs and build quality as chink made chink company tablets, but higher prices. You're literally just paying for the brand name. Long story short, buy a made in Japan Wacom tablet, or don't touch Wacom at all. Get a Galaxy Tab or something instead.

>>4811550
This thread is for meme china shitposting

Actual advice here

>>4811607
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>>4811907
Piss off Chang. Nobody gives a fuck.

>>4811897
>>4811905
Spoken like a true retard who has no idea what he's talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q2tCvdcLII

Wacom will always have one massive advantage over chink garbage: pen quality.
The Wacom Pro Pen is far better built and designed than all the chinkshit pens, which are all made by Ugee. Wacom's pen handles tilt smoothly, has a nice firm nib and a consistent pressure curve that doesn't taper. Chink pens are shit at tilt, have a wobbly nipple nib and they taper in a bad way.

>>4811968
>implying Id watch even one frame of that eyebrowless boomerfreak wacom shill

OH NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Also, why are you typing anything about tablet characteristics? You dont draw, so your input is worthless.

Alright, i want to buy a display tablet so i can draw on the go, or in the bed because my back is killing me from my bas posture when using the pc.
>Budget
up to 1300$ or so
>Location
Poland
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Portable display
>Size (in inches)
I don't have a size preference because i have never used a display tablet before but i suppose not too big. I suppose not bigger than A4 format (8.27 x 11.69 inches i believe)
>Other information
Preferably something without a glossy display, also it should be able to run CSP (although i think most tablets are).
>Previous equipment
Wacom Bamboo CTH-670. It's literally a grandpa at this point, but for the longest time i couldn't afford anything new.

>>4811975
You don't have to watch, retard. You don't have an argument either way; chink garbage pens are objectively inferior to the pro pen 2. They're not even at the level of the 2011 Wacom pen.

>>4811976
Why do you want a display tablet if back posture is a problem? One of the main benefits of screenless is good back posture, because you're not hunching over a display tablet.

Either way, a Galaxy Tab S6 sounds right on the money. You could also wait for the S7 for an upgraded version.

>>4811980
The issue is i'm only having posture issues because my eyes are fucked. So when drawing the screen is always too far for me to comfortably see and my eyes strain so i automaticaly lean forward very close. When drawing/painting traditionally i literally have the paper 10 inches from my face and i'm fine, but i have not yet found a PC setup that's comfortable enough for me to draw without straining either my eyes or my back.

And yes, my glasses are strong enough, the issue is neurological and can't be corrected without a surgery.

>Galaxy Tab S6 sounds right on the money.
Does it run CSP? I've seen some mixed info so i'd like to make sure before i buy.

>>4811996
I think CSP just came out on Android, or at very least it's coming very soon.
Infinite Painter is better for portable tablets anyway.

>spend $300 on drawing tablet
>autistic monkey brain gets overwhelmed by too many tools and options
>draw one thing with it and go back to drawing trad
I probably should have just bought a cheap screenless tablet to edit and a scanner to upload stuff. it might be nice to have one day but right now I don't really have any plans for it

>>4811997
If it came out already i can't find it anywhere, so i suppose it's going to come out soon. How does Infinite Painter fare in terms of making comics and animation?

>>4811999
>too many tools and options
Just use an application that keeps that shit to a minimum. Try MyPaint on Windows, or Procreate on iPad.

>>4811968
>pen quality
You mean chink made Wacom styli that break after 2 weeks? Japanese made ones last for years.

>>4812031
The nibs wear out quickly on 2017 Intuos, but otherwise the Wacom Pens are still far better quality than the ugee garbage on XP-Pen and Huion trash.

>>4812034
When I said break, I meant completely unusable and unfixable and you have to buy a replacement, not merely "oh the nib needs replacing". Chink made Wacoms are terrible all around, from tablet to pen.

>>4812043
In that case, you're just a liar and an idiot. If Wacom Pens were anywhere near as fragile as your chink lying would suggest, nobody would ever buy them and they wouldn't be industry standard.

>>4812046
The Japanese made pens are industry standard, all right. This I agree. But the Chinese made ones are not.

>>4812052
It's your word against million dollar studios sporting the latest Cintiqs, idiot.

Not industry standard? How fucking stupid are you exactly? Wacom is absolutely industry standard.

>>4812046
NTA but my Huion stylus lasted longer than my wacom. Huion, dude, known for breaking quickly, fucking btfo wacom on durability. I'm not rough with these things, this is from regular daily use.

By the way, people still buy wacom because of name brand recognition. Back when wacom was Japanese made, it was sturdy and had a great reputation. Now they make their shit cheap and with planned obsolescence in mind, and keep getting sales because everyone still thinks they're the same quality they used to be back in the day. Many people will have their shit break on them and say "oh no i must have gotten a dud". Some switch to other brands because theyre pissed. There are others that would if they could find a new company at the level of wacom during their best years.

You can keep shilling wacoom all you want but you can't hide the fact that their quality in drivers and materials has taken a huge dive since moving manufacturing to China, plus their new CEO doesn't fucking care about anything but profits.

>>4812067
I think I get it now, are you that anon who trashed that display tablet out of anger that it didnt help you improve? Did you vow to take down Huion and by extension any chinese brand and this is your way of doing it? It would explain both the autism and the fact that you arent an artist

>>4812068
Don't care about your fabrications, Chang. Still not buying Huion garbage.

You still have absolutely no arguments against this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q2tCvdcLII

and no, saying "b-but my huion pen is better" is not a valid argument, idiot. Huion pens cannot do tilt properly and have sharp tapers.

>>4812067
Do you want me to show you all the professionals bitching about their cintiqs getting the red pixel bleed of death lately or them talking about how they refuse to update wacom drivers because theyre afraid of what it will do to their hardware? Want to see pros talking about how if there was a different industry standard company they'd switch to them in a heartbeat?

>>4812072
I draw on an iPad Pro 2nd gen you chinese idiot. Spare me your pathetic larps.

>>4812073
I have a lot of different tablets, my man. I don't recommend huion but I definitely don't recommend wacom ever since they switched to China. My point was that the lowest of the low, huion, the worst chinkshit, outlasted wacom. What does that make wacom now?

Keep shilling and arguing, it will totally make people buy your preferred brand the industry standard wacom. Your credits will be deposited this afternoon, citizen.

>>4812074
Show whatever you want, it won't change the fact that Wacom is industry standard, including their modern models you stupid retard. That was just a blatantly incorrect statement you made.

Wacom being unreliable these days also doesn't change the fact that their pens are still light years better than chinese garbage pens.

>scape together enough moneies to buy cheapo tablet
>shitter has no good drivers
>screen is odd sized to tablet
>forced perspective doesn't work
>photoshop 7 doesn't even recognized it so have to used paint
>no pressure, can't draw circle without drawing ellipse

I shouldn't have wasted my moneies on this shit

>>4812078
>What does that make wacom now?
Nothing, because your statement is utterly worthless and not backed up by evidence. Naturally a retard like yourself would have difficulty grasping that.

By the way, I'm not shilling Wacom, I'm just correctly pointing out they have far superior pens to Chinese trash you vile bugmen keep shilling. Every time someone asks for a display tablet recommendation, I point them to either a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite or a used iPad Pro.

>>4812078
Dont bother. You should see from his posts by now that theres no point.

>>4812084
Of course you're an iPad shill. Why do all of you fuckers have autism?

>>4812088
>iPad shill
Don't you mean "Apple shill" idiot? Wait, I guess that's not really applicable to used products is it. I suppose you think I'm shilling on behalf of the thousands of ebay sellers selling their iPads?

See, this is why you're an idiot.

>>4812068
you must have retardation to break a stylus

>>4812081
:^) Keep on shilling, chang! It'll pay off eventually. At 25 cents per post, you will amass a fortune if you keep this up!

>>4812089
No on /ic/ we have specifically ipad master race shills and theyre all as retarded as you.

>>4812090
You must have retardation if you can't read the part where I said it broke from regular use, IE the parts are shit and wacom support is sending me a new one because they fucked up

>>4812093
Is that how you interpret everyone who correctly highlights your stupidity? You try to pass off your personal experience as fact, despite being incapable of verifying anything. Meanwhile you ignore all the factual arguments and claim you're not a yellow bugman.

You're an idiot, simple as that.

>>4812097
Yeah, regular use for retard standards

>>4812098
>projecting this much
Ok retard yellow man

Hi /ic/
In the future I would like to upgrade from the old Intuos (PTH-651) to Cintiq Pro 24/32, assuming budget is not an issue, the reason is that I'm mentally tired of making micro adjustments from the fact that no matter how I try, the 1st or 2nd stroke will not be as I want.
Throughout the years, the surface of the Intuos is scratched heavily due to me applying relatively high pressure on it, see attached picture.
Is this an issue for Cintiq Pro line? Will I have to adjust my pressure if I make an upgrade?
Is there anything such as "Japan-made" Cintiq? Or everything is still manufactured in China (as most things right now)? Reading the previous posts in this thread, I assume that there are Wacom factories in Japan as well?

>>4812222
>the 1st or 2nd stroke will not be as I want.
screen tablets wont fix that

>>4811907
thanks brah!

>>4812229
That's fine. My laptop monitor is 7yr+, red tinted and is not calibrated properly anyway (also: backlight and RAM randomly dies). Any upgrade is an upgrade, but I'd rather go the extra mile for something nice. I remember not having this micro adjustment issue when I did trad shit years back, and slowly developed it during my time getting used to the tablet.

>>4812222
Cintiq Pro is just rough glass, no plastic there.
>Japan-made
No, nothing at all.

>>4812222
If you're that worried about scratching up a cintiq just get a screen protector. And no all of wacoms manufacturing has moved to China completely.

>>4812264
>>4812303
Thanks, anons

>only SEVENTEEN posters
>71 posts
>hyper autism /pol/tard-kun has made AT LEAST 40 posts in this fucking thread
what do you think you're accomplishing lmfao

>>4811997
>>4812000
As far as I've seen, the retards having problems with it can't read for shit, the requirements are clear on the Galaxy Store (it's not available on Google Play Store). It was released on August 21.

>>4811996
I have a S6 lite and it works really well with CSP, so the S6 should work even better.
I've had the S6 lite for about two weeks now, I like it a lot so far, I used Autodesk Sketchbook and Ibis Paint X before CSP was available.
CSP is free for 6 months, enough time for someone to crack the APK, I guess.

The Bosto 16HD will be really cheap on Aliexpress in a few days, do you guys think it's an okay tablet for a beginner?

>>4813033
anything lower than 24'' is bad

I bought one of these, i have never draw not even on paper, but i can't leave the house for health issues and i just want a new hobby, is this ok?

>>4813061
what do you need a screen that big for my dude?

>>4813073
arm movement

Someone said Wacom told them the Cintiq 24 was discontinued right? Where's the proof

>>4813083
do you earn your living with it or just a hobby?

Someone said Wacom told them the Cintiq 24 pro was discontinued right? Where's the proof

>>4813086
living, and i don't use screen tablets anymore. if hobby then buy whatever is cheapest

>>4813086
Even if you're doing it as a hobby it's easier to draw from your shoulder than from the wrist. It moves more consistently

>>4813090
>and i don't use screen tablets anymore.
Really? you use one of these? (pic related)
>>4813092
I agree, but damn, that's some cash.

>>4813117
intuos 5

>>4813122
Very impressive, do you mind posting some of your art? It seems so hard to draw without looking at the tablet, but I guess it's like typing without looking, you get used to it.

>>4812737
What advantages does CSP have over Krita?

>>4813124
never posted my art in here, won't be today
it's not some amazing art either, they are quite simple

>>4813125
Faster inking and selecting something from another layer without having to go to that layer then come back to the layer you're working, that's it really.
And brush settings are simpler for the average joe

>>4813142
Oh. Not worth to change after I barely started getting used to krita.

>>4813061
What´s the cheapest 24" with decent quality you can get?

>>4813158
Cintiq 22HD.

Don't listen to the idiot you quoted. 22" is fine. Also, 32" is massively overkill.

>>4813303
Why the fuck would you buy the 22HD in this day and age? It's outdated as fuck, uses an old pen. The Cintiq 22 is much better since it uses the Pro Pen 2, same as the Cintiq Pros

>>4813366
The Pro Pen 2 is fragile and cheaply made compared to the Pro pen 1 and the older pens you dumb fuck.

>>4813088
That anon is full of shit.

>>4813303
Anon was going for a 16'' to begin with

>>4813375
>O-OH NO I HAVE TO REPLACE NUBS SLIGHTLY MORE OFTEN AND IF I DROP IT ON HARDWOOD FLOORING IT'LL GET DAMAGED
Stop dropping your pens faggot.

So Galaxy Tab users get ClipStudio free for 6 months, but then what? Do they have to pay a one time fee? Or a subscription like with the iPad?

>>4813464
Subscription.
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/lineup/

How is CSP better than Photoshop?

>>4813586
>Pros
>the brush engine doesn't shit itself with any blending brush larger than size 50 on a 4k canvas

>cons
>no texture outline for the brush preview, it's just a circle for all brushes

>>4813464
Its a subscription like the iPad.

Why are all pen display tablets for PC so shit? Why is portable the only good option?

Redpills me on Artstudio Pro.

>>4811550
Never used a tablet before, what makes someone prefer having a screen vs screenless tablet? Any major difference as far as feel, and durability goes? Can you use a screen tablet like a screenless if you wanted to?

>>4813655
Screenless is always better if you can get used to it. Aside from being more affordable, it's also better for posture because you're looking directly at your PC monitor, whereas with display tablets you're always going to be hunched over, especially if you don't buy a stand or an ergo arm.

Display tablets are for if you just cannot get used to screenless.

>>4813655
>what makes someone prefer having a screen vs screenless tablet?
Personal preference, I have both and I feel like it's easier to coordinate my mind with my hand on a screen tablet, since you see physically where to start and where to stop.
Your mileage may vary.

>Any major difference as far as feel, and durability goes?
Depends on which tablet you use, there are a lot of surfaces, from smooth to paper-like, though price tends to go up with the latter.
Screenless tablet tend to be sturdier, a screen tablet has more things that can go wrong (color calibration, glass, parallax, etc).


>Can you use a screen tablet like a screenless if you wanted to?
Yes, with a normal screen tablet you could just duplicate monitor and look at the other one while you draw.
On Android, superDisplay makes this really easy (with a PC and a 2nd monitor), and I'm sure there are apps for iToddlers too.

>>4813643
What a stupid question. Obvious bait.

>>4813754
please stop recommending superdisplay, it doesn't have pen pressure on sai

>>4813069
I have that tablet for OSU because my regular tablet was too big and that game is so much easier on a small tablet. Tried drawing on it for shits and giggles and while it technically works, it fucking kills my wrist after about an hour. If youre looking for a cheap beginner tablet I'd recommend something with the active area around that of a piece of 8.5x11 or A4 paper. HS611 is good as long as you're not left handed.

>>4813088
Look on wacoms website. Anything that you can no longer buy there is discontinued (you have to click through and try to purchase, theyre still listed on the site).

>>4813158
Xp-Pen 24 Pro.

>>4813117
Please tell me nobody actually uses that thing with a phone. You're restricted to the left half of an already small active area. It's fucking impossible to use the whole active area without giving yourself carpal tunnel already.

>>4813810
Not my problem, grandpa.
It works great with CSP and Krita.

>>4813479
>>4813628
is there any reason why the mobile version is sub based but not the desktop version?

>>4813907
mobile users will pay for anything

>>4813758
t. idiotic chinaman with no argument

>>4813810
Yes it does you absolute retard.

>>4813907
Support for mobile devices sucks. You have to account for a shit ton of different devices all on different versions of operating systems with new ones coming out all the time which you are expected to support as well. It costs money to employ people to keep your program running. If programming for pc/mac was that complicated and annoying you bet your ass they'd be charging you guys a sub for the full version too.

>>4813819
no thanks, li zhang

>>4813932
You asked for the cheapest option and I gave you the cheapest option. Your fault for asking.

>>4813924
What a stupid response. Obvious bait. Can't you try harder to hide it? You suck at this

>>4813935
i asked for decent quality, not chink tablets.

>>4811550
>All Chinese brands are basically the same because they're all centralized under the communist regime
thats a RACISM YOU HITLER

I have a 2017 intuos pro L. how stupid am I?

>Budget
Can afford a Wacom 16, but not necessarily looking to buy one
>Location
United States, prefer delivery
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
The dream is display, but a non-display is also fine
>Size (in inches)
Greater than or equal to 16 inches
>Other information
I have no knowledge in color theory, have never painted before, and my traditional art could use some work. I don't think I'm horrible, but maybe not good enough to transition into digital yet. The convenience of digital art entices me very much. With my previous equipment, I loved not having to rely on paper and ink running out
>Previous equipment
iPad pro 10.5 inch 2017 model. I have done some commissions on it, but the screen is too small.
>If you have any, state your preferences regarding surface texture (paper emulation, smooth etc)
No preference

Get a 2013 Intuos Pro if you can.

Thoughts on Infinite Painter?

>>4814033
Xp pen artist 24 pro
Xp pen innovator 16
Huion Kamvas pro 24
Wacom Cintiq 22
Wacom Intuos Pro Medium
Xp pen deco pro
Huion hs611

There's a list of stuff to go check out. Wacom has the best stylus and drawing feel and their cintiqs come almost perfectly color calibrated while the others require you calibrate yourself or even mess with the tuning screw in the stylus if something is wrong but their build quality is kinda shit to justify the price so. Check things out and go with what you like.

>>4814192
Piss off you disgusting yellow chink.

>>4814192
This is great, thank you. Indeed, Wacoms are a hefty price tag but I am able to dish out the money for one if necessary. The Intuos Pro caught my eye. Cheers, anon

>>4814196
Go watch some shit on netflix you fucking aspie

why buy a display tablet when you have your monitor already?

>>4814196
I literally gave a big list of options and recommended wacom. You're retarded. Do you really not have anything better to do right now? Lmao.

>>4814207
Nice, intuos pro is good shit. Just be extremely gentle with your usb port because they have a tendency to break free inside the tablet. Try not to unplug it or move it about as much as possible to minimize the chance of this happening.

>>4814267
You can't draw directly on your monitor, silly!

>>4814276
>missing the point
Idiot.

>>4814305
Wow you sure have a high grade of turbo autism

>>4814334
You're still a moron.

>>4811550
Is the S7 a confirmed disappointment?

>>4811550
Aren't older Cintiqs getting outdated by now? I know the build quality is better but don't all old digitizers start failing after a long time?

>>4811550

>>4811550

>>4814412
Yeah depends on how much the previous owner used it and if they were gentle with it or fucking dropped it on the floor a lot

What ever happened to the Dell Canvas?

>>4814542
forgotten, don't bother with something without much success, the support might be awful

>>4812737
I heard CSP is laggy on s6, can you confirm? Does it have all the features PC version does? And how is the pen for you?

>>4814542
Its been discontinued. I heard it was a pretty solid tablet for when it came out. But there are many better options nowadays. Unless you want the puck lol

>>4814729
>I heard CSP is laggy on s6, can you confirm?
Mine is the S6 lite, so it may not be that much on the S6, but if you draw slowly the cursor lags a bit, but it still completes the line okay. It doesn't bother me that much since I don't draw like that.

>Does it have all the features PC version does?
As far as I've tried, yes, you can even download materials and 3D models, and anything I have on PC, I can download it on Android. It also has shortcut keys on the right (you can hide them) and you can set them as you like.

>And how is the pen for you?
I like it, feels like a normal pen and the button is nice to have, in drawing apps you can use it for the eraser.
The pressure sensitivity is good enough for me. It's low by default in CSP, but that's pretty easy to change, pic related.

>>4814948
How about bigger formats, do they lag? i know it might be different on non-lite tablet but it's still helpful. Thanks for all the info.

>>4813955
>not chink tablets
Then you have only wacom to pick from. So don't bother asking asking for advice retard

>>4813464
It's hard for me to imagine a world where you willingly pay a subscription service for software and not just crack it

>>4814991
I tried older drawings I made, 2820x3600 and 6280x7300, both with a ton of layers and they load fine and I have no lag working on them, though saving takes like 20-30 seconds on the bigger one.
Both of those were made on PC months ago (.clip format).

I haven't done a full drawing here yet, so I'll try to do that one of these days to see if it's different.

https://digitalarttabletguides.wordpress.com/2020/08/17/xp-pen-innovator-16-review/#contents6

Apparently the XP-Pen (and Huion too actually) display tablets are worse than the old normal tablets lol

>>4813818
The 24 pro is still up there. I guess we'll find out in October at Adobe MAX if there's any new tablets coming.

just ordered the xp-pen deco pro. how fucked am I?

>>4815044
Youre in the wrong thread to find out.
no chinese discussion allowed.

>>4815025
my main reson for getting a s6 is that my PC lags when trying to use bigger brushes on big formats, so i'm glad that's not an issue. thanks for all the info, anon.

>>4815069
Ah, that's what you meant. Yeah, with brushes over 500px it starts to lag, I don't know if that's because of the software itself or the tablet though.
Here's a test on a 5000 x 5000 canvas.

>>4815112
Is this the S6? The Snapdragon 855 is just okay. The new 865 in the S7 is around 25% faster so it might run better. But they're both still much slower than the ipad pro's processor

>>4815044
You gonna love the thing.

>>4815064
Fuck off gweilo I stole your thread, post your work faggot HA HA HA

>>4815131
S6 lite, so the S6 is better and the S7 even more, I guess.

>>4815151
In that case it's definitely the tablet slowing it down. The 865 is already almost 3x faster, and I was mistaken, the Tab S7 uses the 865+, which is almost certainly 3x faster than the S6 Lite's CPU. Even if it's not 3x smoother in CSP the Tab S7/+ should be way better than your S6 lite

https://www.notebookcheck.net/SD-865-vs-SD-865-Plus-vs-Exynos-9611_11551_12716_11543.247596.0.html

>>4815112
honestly, except for the last one it still lags less than on my pc. i wonder if that's also the issue for normal s6, or s7, but i suppose there still aren't many people who have tested it.

>>4815134
Whatever you Say, President Putin.

I have to tell my uncle to buy a cheap drawing tablet (the money is mine, I'm stuck in another country) but I don't want to tell him that I want to draw with it. What can I tell him?

>>4815573
say you want it to draw (dot)

>>4815573
tell him you want to edit photos

>>4815573
Why don't you use a proxy and have someone else get and mail it to you?

>>4815002
but there are multiple wacom options, moron.

>>4815134
and a ching chong to you too.

So I have to choose between:
XP-Pen Deco 03
Huion 1060P, H1161
Wacom Intuos Small (CTL-4100)
Which one sucks less?

>>4815725
Get an Intuos Medium instead. Get it used if possible.

Don't waste your money on chinese garbage. The pens are terrible.

Is the Apple Pencil really that good?

>>4815819
Only used option around that price is the CTH-680 with 1024 pressure levels.

>>4811550
Just got my Kamvas 13, what should I be running through to make sure it's working properly? This is my first display tab so I'm not sure what is normal/abnormal when it comes to these

>>4815844
It won't be too long before you realize how stupid you are.

>>4815844
13 OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
kamvas OH NOOOOOOOOOO
how ic can be that dumb

>>4815844
You need to return the thing ASAP

>>4815844
Look at a bunch of reviews for it you should get an understanding of whats normal or not for that thing. Also don't ever drop your pen because they break easily.

>>4815894
This.

>>4811550
my budget is $300-$450

should i get the ipad 7th gen?

>>4815974
No, because it doesn't have a laminated display.

Get a used Pro 2nd gen or a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite.

>>4815976
>Get a used Pro 2nd gen

don't used pro ipads still cost $600?

>>4815983
Look harder.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=ipad+pro+2nd+gen&_sacat=0

>>4815836
yes
somehow apple created a cintiq killer

>>4815994
is 64gb enough for artists with some media stuff (movies, games)?

>>4816139
Internal storage is a meme.
If you plan on storing a lot of data, don't pay a premium for a few more gigabytes on an iPad. Build a home server instead and set up network storage. I recommend Unraid.
At the very least set up network storage with your PC.

>>4815836
No it's not. It's about on the level of Wacom AES, except it doesn't have hover, so it's worse by default.

>>4815974
Please don't try to do art on a 10 inch tablet. You'll hate yourself every time you put that pen down.

>>4815621
Because I don't want to buy it here and I'm an immigrant there, don't have my own house/apt.

>>4816241
t. brainlet

>>4816329
OK chang li

>>4815958
I see thanks, not really seeing anything negative review wise about it other than it failing to connect to their pc and one person had heating issues/arrived broken due to shipping, it's the 2020 version so I would hope they ironed out most of the issues.
I have till next month to return it so I'm gonna just use it as much as I can, work permitting and make sure nothing funky is going on

>>4816342
But you're the idiot shilling XP Pen trash here.

>>4816452
You're the idiot shilling Chinese pencil

>>4816457
>no argument
No problem moron

How big of an upgrade is an iPad over a Samsung Tab?

>>4816520
It's a downgrade

Okay, I finally had the chance to play with my Innovator 16.
As promised, here is my certified unbiased review:

THE BAD:
>Display
Substantial IPS glow and a small amount of backlight bleed in the corner. Unavoidable, but disappointing.
Also, it's fucking dim, Jim. 250 nits is wishful thinking, I would not enjoy using this with the lights on, let alone outside.
>Cables
Speaking of impossible to use outside, the hydra. It's fiddly and fucking annoying. They seemingly realized this and provided an extension cord for power, as if to acknowledge how much it sucks without fixing it.
It's also tough to plug the input cable in the display itself. It's just slightly too thick to fit.
>Drivers
Holy shit.
I tried to install the driver. Big fucking mistake, it broke almost all pen functionality. I can use it to right click (and curiously, it knows the position of the right click) and it can detect pressure. But it doesn't work as a pen.
Uninstalling my old Wacom drivers didn't work. Uninstalling the XP-Pen driver turns it back into a glorified mouse.
Occasionally it will blip into functionality for a minute.
The remaining commentary takes place within these brief moments of functionality.
>PARALLAX/Cursor Drift
There is a small, but noticeable gap between the tip of the cursor and the tip of the pen Especially on the left side.
You only get FOUR point calibration, so no surprise. This is the only big dealbreaker for me. Coming from Wacom Feel drivers makes this especially upsetting.
>Peripherals
The stand is a joke. The pen feels cheap. The wheel is fiddly and gay.

THE GOOD:
>Display
I'm not autistic about color so I don't see anything wrong. They probably aren't bad?
>Performance
IAF and pressure curve are fine. Once you get to drawing, it's quite good. I'd calibrate the resistor if I weren't still considering RMA
>Build Quality
It's lightweight, the buttons function

Overall not a complete lemon as I feared (other than the drivers)
You just might keep my money yet, Zhang.

>>4816547
Nice review thanks. As far as drivers go, talk to support about it. I dont know what OS you're running but on windows 10 it wouldn't fully install my drivers until I went through a shit ton of windows updates and reinstalled my drivers about 20 times until it finally worked.

>>4816555
Windows 10
I think it's working somewhat consistently now. I realized part of it might have been the power cord. The thing has a battery and WILL turn on even if it's not drawing enough power to use. Annoying.
It's been hard to diagnose the issue all around. XP-Pen's site doesn't have old drivers, which I can already tell is going to suck someday. And their support site is full of "works on my machine ;)" tier responses.
Now that it's working I'm genuinely impressed, don't get me wrong. There's nothing overly glaring about it.
So far that was an almost exhaustive list of things I found bad about it. If that's the worst I can come up with in a couple hours, I'm not gonna shit on it.

>>4815725
>>4815840
This is in Argentina btw

>>4816547
don't care, chinkster

>>4816547
did you just plug in the tablet and didnt even uninstall the wacom drivers? jesus anon.

I just got an iPad Pro 12.9 second gen, previously only used a small screenless Genius tablet, if anyone has questions about it let me know

The main thing I would note about it is the baffling decision to use hard plastic nibs, the way the Pencil slides around the surface of the glass is completely unnatural and unintuitive and the resulting sounds are very unsatisfying, there's a learning curve to getting used to its behavior despite the seeming 1:1 pencil on paper experience, not what I would expect from such a pricey Apple product

Supposedly it can be helped by paper textured screen protectors, but they're pricey as well and wear down the nibs like crazy, which in turn are also very expensive to replace

>>4816719
How would you know how quickly the nibs wear down? You only just bought it.

>>4816749
I looked into paper textured screen protectors online and saw everyone complaining they ruin the nibs in the span of months

>>4816752
So? Those are just reviews, and people with problems are always more likely to review than people who aren't.

How quickly nibs wear down is different from person to person. If you apply a lot of pressure when drawing, especially when shading or coloring, then yes, your nibs will likely wear down quicker. The same applies for literally every other nib on every other pen. On chinese tablets, the nib can even outright snap.

If you're more gentle with it, it will last longer.

>>4816765
if the problem exists it shouldn't be ignored and textured surface will indeed eat nibs like woman in a gangbang eating dicks

>>4816774
>glass is too slippery!
>textured wears my nibs down too quickly!
Some people are impossible to please.

>>4816776
never said glass is too slippery retard

>>4816781
That's literally what you complained about in your original post, idiot.

Every single tablet you could possibly buy will have some kind of compromise. Stupid people like you are impossible to please.

>>4816783
i didn't complain about that in my original post

>>4816776
The problem is in the nibs, not the glass. Hard plastic is not a good solution, it should've been something slightly softer that offers resistance and grip.

S7 when?

>>4816816
i think the pencil 2's nib is softer with more grip.

>>4816651
That wasn't actually the issue, believe it or not. Reinstalling the Wacom driver doesn't even break it now.
I'm sure it causes some other minor gremlins, but it isn't a total shutdown.
I can be forgiven for hoping a $500 peripheral wouldn't have driver conflicts.

>>4817253
Apple sells only one version compatible with both

>>4817328
>hoping a $500 peripheral wouldn't have driver conflicts.
Its always been this way even with wacom. Welcome to the world of tablets.

>>4816584
I meant you should email support. They'll give you old drivers if you need them and they're helpful. Their forums are mostly shit and not helpful.

sup /ic/
my intuos 4 pen broke and I wanted to get a new one, but the pic related version for my tablet is kinda expensive where I live
does any other cheaper wacom pen work on older or other models? what would be a good alternative

Anyone have suggestions on optimal hotkey layout / pen buttons / scroll wheel touch bar for photoshop or blender? I have been rolling with the default but open to suggestions before I get this muscle memory set.

>>4818450
default+ keyboard

>>4818450
We have no idea if what works for us, works for you. I have a 24HD Cintiq, and I used a combo of the express keys and wheels for things like "deselect all", the modifier keys + shift, and the wheel is mostly for zoom/rotate/opacity. I used the radial menus from Wacom for less used menus.

You have to find what works for YOU. "Optimal" and "muscle memory" is thinking about this too hard. Find your own prefs and workflow.

>>4818450
>>4818498
Then let me rephrase, I'm interested in seeing what everyone else has their hotkey setup.

Why is iPad drawing software so damn good?

>Budget
$500 tops
>Location
Burgerland
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display
>Size (in inches)
Anything that beats the 10"×5"-workspace turd I'm on now
>Other information
>Previous equipment
Deco-03, the driver software fucking blows on this thing and it throws a fit and bricks if I try using my mouse in tandem while it's wireless.
>If you have any, state your preferences regarding surface texture (paper emulation, smooth etc)
Smooth-ish, like the matte plastic feel most screenless tablets have

>>4819538
Used iPad Pro 12.9" 2nd gen.
Or wait for the Galaxy S7.

So what is the best software for Android right now? Don't say CSP.

>>4811550
How long do tablets usually last?

>>4819684
Chinkshit doesn't last long without some kind of issues.

Old Wacom is built to last.

What stand do you guys use for your tablet?
I have wacom pro 16 and my neck is dying

>>4819558
Heavypaint

>>4819684
Youll get a few years out of any brand at best nowadays. If its wacom expect shit to start breaking the second warranty expires.

>>4819861
Parblo/Artisul tablet stand

>>4819887
Nah

>>4819896
Yah

Is 32" really a meme?

>>4819936
Yes. There's a reason Wacom cannot sell those models.

Uhhh I'm using clip paint studio and the watercolour is so hard to use, it doesn't leak like on paper so the paint behaves like oil. I am using default brushes, can someone help me with a guide to make/ brush set. I'm looking for a faint sketching pencil, a water painting brush and a cel shading pen.

>>4819957
Why?

>>4819545
Holy shit, lucky me. I have a spare lying around + a family member's Apple pen I can borrow. What software do I need to get hooked up?

>>4820053
Procreate
ArtStudio Pro
Medibang

and you're all set.

>>4819957
Look for DAUB brushes and scripts

>>4811550

how the fuck do i get used to the tablet, i feel like my brain is short circuiting every time i try to use one

>>4811550
Reminder that this is the Tablet Shitposting general. All Wacom tablets post 2014 have good pen feel at the cost of poor build quality and drivers at a large price point, but the fags are notorious for aggressively shilling at all costs, even though their god has become the very chinkshit they despise.

Real tablet general: >>4811607

>>4820267
Piss off you disgusting chink shill.

>>4820267
Hang on a minute, idiot. The OP of this thread is recommending a 2013 Intuos Pro (which you can only get used), a 2012 22HD (which you can only get used), a Samsung Galaxy, and a used iPad.
What do any of those have to do with Wacom post-2014? It's even telling you to avoid Cintiq Pros. And you're accusing OP of shilling for Wacom?

Just admit you're desperate to sell chinese trash like XP-Pen and Huion. You're not kidding anyone mate.

>>4820267
>>4820315
oh my god nobody cares; pick one and stay with it

>>4819952
What in the world are you talking about?

>>4820315
seethe

>>4820318
Retard. Chink shills would want any product manufactured in china to be sold, since that directly boosts their economy.

Just because you opted to buy handmedowns doesnt mean other people ought to. You didnt make a decision rational or intelligent enough to warrant imposing it on other people. I understand that you want to feel it was, which is probably why you encourage people to do the same. But second hand shit just isnt very valuable. You have no warranty, no guarantees, no more manufacturing, no support.

>>4820318
OP sure but the rest of the fags in this thread aren't like that. They're wacom or die fags

>>4820402
But naturally you disgusting yellow bugmen have a strong bias for actual chinese products, both conceived and manufactured in China. That's why you care about shilling them so much, Li Zhang.

The OP of this thread isn't shilling anything particularly hard, and buying used products doesn't benefit any large companies much.

You are a dead set moron and a dirty chink, desperate to sell Huion trash.

>>4811550

>>4820414
You havent one inkling of a clue what you're talking about. All your posts do is show to arrivals just how autistic and biased your shitty thread is. Come on bitch, keep on posting. Keep calling everyone a chink shill.

>>4820469
I'm not calling everyone a chink shill, just you idiot, because you very clearly are one.

Notice how you didn't actually say anything in your post, it's just mindless whining because you know you've got no leg to stand on. This OP has no shilling, which annoys you because you want to shill chink garbage like Huion and XP-Pen.

>>4820414
>isn't shilling anything particularly hard
Shilling is shilling, kike.

>>4820474
Its literally a copy of a post that was made in the other tablet thread but with a few words swapped out

>>4820474
Due to your incapacitating autism, you fail to see why your threads derail. Its not primarily because you're a wacom shill, which you are, (even if the products are second hand the brand itself gets empowered with each purchase), its because you maliciously misdirect actual artists (unlike yourself) into buying overpriced garbage (like you did) with absolutely no value on the basis of schizo tier pol bullshit that no one other than yourself cares about. I dont give a shit if you like it or not, but its not the 90s anymore. Paying 350 dollars for a piece of equipment worth about 80 makes you, objectively, a moron.

>>4820501
>y-you're totally shilling unnammed sellers on ebay you fucker!
>come to my thread instead, where i'm shilling the latest huions and xp-pens!

>>4820414
>Getting this mad
>Shitposting this much
>Proving his point that this is shitposting general
>

>>4820503
>Its not primarily because you're a wacom shill
Stopped reading there, idiot.

Nowhere in the OP here is Wacom being shilled. If anything, their new products are being discouraged.
You're just a dirty chink spreading misinformation. Worthless.

>>4820414
You do know that wacom data mines from their users and sells it to Google right? They're making money off of you even if you're buying their tablets used lmao

>>4820507
>Stopped reading
Stopped reading right there, coombrain

>>4820506
Sorry idiot, threads don't become "shitposting central" simply because you samefag constantly after being utterly BTFO.

>>4820510
>the dumbfuck chink is literally trying to make a point about datamining
Are you actually serious, bugman? Do you need to be reminded of your authoritarian shithole's track record on spying?

>>4820515
Wacom is Chinese company now chang liu

>>4820515
And threads don't become "chink shill central" simply because you samefag constantly after being utterly BTFO there either. ;)

>>4820507
You've changed your tune multiple times since all this shit started. I can tell its you because your vocabulary is so limited.

It doesnt matter in the end, the market competition will always bring down the prices, and that is always a good thing for the consumer. Seethe, cope, do whatever you have to. People arent going to be convinced to make the choices you did because they were poor choices.

>>4820558
Choices like what, idiot? What choice did I make?

>>4820558
Maybe you're getting called an idiot so much because multiple people think you are one? Just a thought. Idiot.

>>4820558
My dude, I've literally been saying the same shit to you this whole time. You are stupid for having a hateboner for chink companies when you fervently defend a chink company. You're a shill that doesn't know what he's talking about. Just a sad little shitposter.

>>4820600
>when you fervently defend a chink company
Where, idiot?

Also learn how to reply to the right posts you stupid insect.

>>4820613
I was replying to "you've changed your tune multiple times" so yeah I was responding to the right post, shit for brains

>>4820622
You were literally replying to a fellow chinkshill, you tiny brained idiot. Next time try to pay a bit more attention before attacking your own comrade.

Is anyone use tab s6? Can you describe the feeling of using it? I have an opportunity to buy it about 360$

>>4816719
anyone else here using a 2nd gen ipad pro?
is a paperlike screen protector a must when it comes to drawing on it?

>>4820672
I have a Tab S6 Lite, and it's good shit. Not as good as an iPad Pro, but still more than capable if you can adjust to the small form factor.

My main issues are the s-pen doesn't feel as nice as the apple pencil.
Unlike the pencil, it has a button which is nice, but the placement isn't great and it's hard to use efficiently.
It has tilt, but not many apps support it. Infinite Painter does, I think Krita does, but most other apps don't.

Also the S6 is basically the S6 Lite, except with a better CPU and an OLED screen.

>>4820676
I am.

No, you can get used to glass. Paperlike will always be better and give you more control, but it's not mandatory unless you absolutely hate drawing on glass.

>>4811550
Is the Huion 1060 good / long lasting?
I got it long ago because KrookedGlasses shilled it on her YouTube.

>>4816547
i ALMOST preordered this jesus christ, thanks anon, died for our sins

>>4820762
it's still a decent enough for a 16" display.
is there another option that can beat it at $400?

>>4820750
>cheap chink garbage
>long lasting

>>4820762
That's a little dramatic man. I never said it was all that bad. Very annoying at times, but I doubt you could do much better for $370 with no taxes needed (don't forget to use a referral code and a new account so you can take $30 more from Xiang)

>>4818450

K1: Rotate image 90 degrees
K2: Eyedropper
K3: Pan image
K4: Undo
K5: Zoom in
K6: Zoom out
K7: Brush
K8: Eraser
Dial: Change brush size

People who say to use the keyboard are idiots. That takes way longer than the express keys.

>>4820837
why would pressing a button on your keyboard take longer than pressing a button on your tablet?

do you guys put your keyboard in the other room when you use a tablet?

>>4820905
He must be holding the pen with both hands lol.

>>4820837
>People who say to use the keyboard are idiots. That takes way longer than the express keys.

Here's the Krita shortcuts:
>Space - pan
>Shift + space - rotate
>Ctrl+space zoom
>Shift - resize brush
>Ctrl - color picker
>Alt+Ctrl - pick from current layer
>Brush / eraser - the pen button
>Undo/redo - Ctrl+z.
>Straight line mode - V

Now if you look at your keyboard you'll see that all of them are in the bottom left corner accessible vithout moving your hand and can be located by touch.

Imagine being too dumb to use the keyboard.

>>4820837
I can't imagine using the buttons for something like Zbrush. That's fucking stupid, you need a keyboard sometimes.

>>4820969
>using default inputs

Kek

>>4821049
I mapped the other tool like lasso and box selection to other buttons in the vicinity as well.

Shortcut keys are completely unecessary.

>>4811550

>>4817418
Intuos 5 pens also work with intios 4.

>>4821873
Only if you suck

>>4820787
Xp-Pen 15.6" pro I guess

>>4822121
Piss of you filthy chink.

>>4822119
Suck my dick bitch boy

Is Apple Ipad 7 2019 good for a first-timer?

>>4820831
>>4820831
im autistic as shit, my only tool is early 2010's intuos, the small one, this thing is outdated but at least it doesnt give me any headache so far
its been years since i wanted to switch to display pen and cintiq is very expensive and i've heard deadpixels and shit, so i looked into the realm of cheaper alternatives
some of you dudes said huion ain't that bad nowadays and various youtube reviews says so, so i instantly planned to get the most recent display tablet from them
but i guess nope i can imagine desolate land of regrets if i ever get one of those, i think even their best stuff won't be enough for me
for now i'll stick with this fossil

>>4822732
You're better off getting a used pro for the bonded screen.

>>4822732
if you're going that small, get a galaxy tab s6 lite instead.

>>4822812

Will a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 (2014) still be a decent tool for a beginner, or has technology improved so much from that that I'm better off buying a new but relatively cheap drawing tablet?

>>4823035
Is the 2014 version even supports S-pen though?
I got the 2016 version and (even though i think it's pretty decent for beginners/doing light sketching like pic related) desu i can't say it's good enough to handle the more modern apps. For starter its OS maxed out at version 8.1, and most modern features/apps (like CSP for example) requires android 9.0 or higher. The 2014 one will be even more so

>Budget
600 ausbux
>Location
Australia
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display
>Size (in inches)
Bigger preferable, 22 inches seems good if it's achievable
>Other information
Restarting art after taking a long break, pretty much back at /beg/ at this rate but with more money than I used to have
>Previous equipment
Wacom Bamboo fun back in like 2010

>>4823086
Your best bet is gonna be Cintiq venus (16") at exactly 600 bucks.
If you insists on going bigger there's XP-pen 22E/R (old, near obsolete tech) at 400-600ish bucks and the upcoming Kamvas 22/plus (unproven) at 400-500ish bucks. But yeah, you know how it is with that sort of stuffs

>>4823096
>old, near obsolete tech
The 22R is rather new, the pen supports tilt and they used an OK display panel for it.
The glass is not bonded though.
Kamvas 22 non-plus is a rehash of their old ancient POS
22 Plus seems to be a killer on paper though, i'd be very interested in it if i was shopping for a tablet right now.

this is legit the worst thread on the whole board. It's just buyfags, I really would like to see your work. If you're good at drawing, you can draw 90% of shit on a 50$ tablet, simple as.

>>4823073
If it comes with an s-pen it supports the s-pen. If it was never sold with an s-pen it does not support s-pen.

>>4823670
Nobody cares, boomer.

>>4823714
>nobody cares
you're wrong there xoomie.

New thread:

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