/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4816003
Trying out drawing from observation again. I kind of have no idea what I'm doing and I'm just eyeballing it. How fucked am i

I got started on this today. The pose was from imagination so I don't know how accurate the position is at the moment. I've studied asses for the past 3 days but haven't learn feet or above the waist yet so will update as I learn.

drawn in a real mans art program.

>>4816010
You're fine. Lighten the drawing and work over it, adding layers and layers of detail until you can't take it any further. Then render it.

how long does it take to get used to practicing on a tablet? I'm fine on traditional but this IPad pro feels like it barely has any kind of grip even with a Matte screen protector.

>>4816066
so you've given up, huh?

>>4816074
Get an Apple Pencil grip. Apple Pencils are known for being slippery.

>>4816086
yes

>>4816100
why do you also want to ruin the experience for other people just because you've given up? You bully.

>>4816066
Soul

hmmmm. Maybe instead of trying the loomis method over and over, I'll outline the skull and then work from there

im done with this i need a guide on how to render/draw hair

should you ink before watercolor or is pencil good enough?
ink i use is non watersoluble fyi

>>4816153
you need a guide on how to fucking draw

So took my Ritalin around 1130am and managed to pretty much do DrawABox since then to about an hour or so ago, where the lesson started to get me super frustrated as all my medication wore off. Gotta say though, for 2nd time trying it, it's hella nice how I actually want to draw.

>>4816153
you clearly still have ways to go when it comes to gesture and you're not ready to tackle that type of retarded anatomy.

>>4816155
depends on whether you want a lighter line or a pure black, either are fine

>>4816153
gambate anon! Don't give up!

>>4816157
Don't get used to that, please. After about a month, your meds are just going to make you a normal person, and 11-hour draw sessions are not normal.

>>4816156
i know, that's why this was a painting practice but yeah i should had focus a little bit more on the figure before rendering the image and yeah i also know that even if the figure looks weird there are part like the hand and the weird gesture of the body that looks really bad but again i didnt mind the figure at all and that was a mistake

>>4816160
i think anyone who has the basis of construcion/figure drawing should be challenged to capture different forms

>>4816164
thx and sure i will

>>4816191
>a month
I'm literally on 10mg a day for the next month. The only thing I know I'm having to watch for is the Euphoria, but this doesn't feel like that. This just feels like I'm actually motivated and can just get up and actually do things without thinking about it for several hours before I forget I was going to do it.

>>4816152
dude look at the eyes. they aren't made of two arcs like that.
nose shape and really every angle and shape is wrong too. you're not actually looking at the reference, you're just making stuff up
and you're not loomising right either. your wrapping lines from what i can see are completely wrong. learn how perspective works

>>4816223
It enrages me that you didn't add the little circle by the left ear to give a 3d effect to the head nigger

Does drawing from reference really gonna improve my drawings?
Or they should just be practices to grind my current skills?
I don't feel like I learn much from drawing references.

>>4816324
yes they will put your knwoledge to test
if you cant get something from the refence then go back to that part, study and try again or try another image that has that part where you failed

drawing the same refence multiple times without acknowledging the mistakes is a waste of time and therefore you wont improve

I dont get it. what am I supposed to draw?

>>4816345
What is it you want to see more of? What is it that you want to say?

>>4816337
>drawing the same refence multiple times without acknowledging the mistakes is a waste of time and therefore you wont improve
I feel like this is me right now.
I had been drawing from reference and think that "this is good enough for my current skills now" instead of learning to draw better and be like the reference.

Do you think attempting to complete the drawing is better?
Or should I just end at sketching phase if I realize there's too many mistakes?

>>4816349
I want to draw mundane scenes like classrooms or mall food courts but one of the subjects in the scene has some body horror going on no one is paying attention to like someone's head splitting open like an orange into tentacle flesh peels. But I can't because I can't even begin to know what I dont know to do that.

>>4816345
draw whatever you want to draw
and in turn, if you run into a wall while drawing what you want, then practice whatever it is thats causing you trouble, so you can draw what you want even better

>>4816345
Give yourself a theme.
Any.
And start from there.
Let's say, cat.
Then let your mind go free to start adding elements to it.
Where was the cat? Outside? Living room? Bedroom? Pet shop?
Add the element of cute girl to cat.
Is she the master? Or is the cat a cute cat girl?
What is the cat doing?
Etc etc.
You just gotta start somewhere and use it to expand your imagination.

I will give you one.
A cooking knife.

>>4816361
that sounds so hard to do when I plan out specific steps of... what I have to do. i feel so much confusion and fear that I'm not sure where the first stroke should even be. damnit :(

>>4816359
For body horror you need to learn a lot of anatomy and it helps to study things like tumors and strange diseases to learn how the body can get distorted irl. I dont know what level you're at but if youre /beg/ you're going to at the very least need to get into perspective, anatomy, gesture, and of course values and then color. Composition is key too so you can get the feeling you want across. For resources just check the sticky and art book links in threads, there's a lot of good shit. Good luck, I look forward to seeing your stuff when you git gud!

>>4816359
Body horror fun, try studying anatomy and seeing how you can warp it and make it uncomfortable. Study and look at actual deformities, medical anomalies and birth defects.
For room you have to study perspective, but sometimes take the time to learn to draw furniture. Like the desk, tables and chairs.

>>4816363
thank you, I think im overwhelming myself and i need to think simple first. am I supposed to look at references when I draw from imagination?

>>4816369
very /beg/, just started this month. I'm still early into draw a box (pic from yesterday). I know that what i want to do is really out there and requires a lot of different subsets of knowledge that maybe other themes don't need as much? but it's all i can think about. that and obscene android x demon porn i guess. I've just started looking at perspective and got the book perspective made easy on ebook.. should I just go there first? I also got the figure drawing book by Hampton because it was only like 25 bucks and im interested in it. but.... I have no idea when those sorts of resources are appropriate to start going into you know? so fucking /beg/ still that idk what i dont know

>>4816370
it sounds like perspective is the thing I need to dive into right now. especially because body horror is nothing with twisted perspectives.

>>4816358
> attempting to complete the drawing is better
yeah of course getting things done is important but if it is taking you too long then just skip adn look for different refences hell even you could try to draw by imagination and get all messy with the figure but dont fucking stop drawing if you stop make use of that little time to look at the parts where you failed

Is it normal that it’s relatively easier to draw angled and posed characters than forward facing, resting posed characters? It’s harder for me to and I’m wondering if that’s a common experience or what.

>>4816451
Like such. I can sketch out most other poses from other angles without too much trouble but this is the most challenging one.

Why is referencing/studying a cartoon so damn hard.

>>4816383
>am I supposed to look at references when I draw from imagination?
Everybody uses reference.
Even the pros.
We are so /beg/ we are looking at references for things like gestures, or the anatomy.
While pros are looking at textures and stuffs.
You think every artists have a mental library or all kinds of animals, environment, furnitures, etc?
Don't be ashamed of using reference.
As long as you're not tracing it directly.

>>4816474
not ashamed, just don't have a lot of desk space :(

>>4816476
Use your phone to show the reference, or get a cheap second hand iPad or Samsung tablet.
Hell, you can even get one of those digital photo frame.

What do I need to change and improve on with my Proko/Loomis heads? I know that the line dividing the front and side of the face needs work so specific pointers there would be appreciated.

How do I properly use de Dummy?
I bought it recently and I don't really know what to do with it

>>4816500
That's a good idea. I'll get a little stand for my phone. I tried to do gestures today but it's so... hard. it just feels like I'm drawing a bunch of indecipherable rectangles while trying to "" " " feel "" " " the gesture. Do you have any advice?

>>4816564
Shove it up your arse.
Look at its head it's a perfect butt plug.

>>4816567
From my previous experience, don't bother asking around.
Everybody have their own ways of drawing gestures.
And /beg/s gonna point you to many different directions confusing you and still won't teach you how to draw gesture.
From what I saw, people just draw a nice looking figure and others praise it.
Despite breaking the supposing rules like using only CSI lines or no contour.

Just learn the basic about it, draw a few gestures as warm up exercises, wait until one day your brain click and you know how to do gesture.
I still don't get gestures as well, so take my advice with grain of salt

>>4816574
that's very helpful advice thank you

So I tried to draw something and I messed up big time, at first I wanted the full picture and I planned for it, shoulders hand and head, by the time I was "darkening shapes" it had grown bigger, some things just weren't going to fit, I pushed on, added lines for facial features, had to revisit other lines, make the head wider, less space now, revisit neck area again, even less space now, no matter I keep on, and I step back and see that any hope of resemblance is lost, I add the cigar and mouth no longer deluded but in a state of complete despair, I push on, not because of the hope of something decent, not for the hope of improvement "practice for the next one" no, I push on because I can't bring myself to see the mistake, if I did I'd cry out as I try to identify what's wrong with me.

I'ma shit, but this was fun.

I will say, I hate cartoon jaws. Shit still doesn't make sense to me.

What's wrong with me? I don't believe in talent but I'm no position to have an opinion, I'd be the same as a beggar who rejects the concept of money. What's wrong with me? If I use the world talent I'd use to say that art gave me all the love but no talent.
Art, all I ever love is art, otherwise I'm a human lyrebird, a crude imitation, there's a vague identity in me, even if I'm called schizo there's something else, I don't feel as I've heard others feel, I don't lament this, none of this is new, none of this is actual introspection, just a crude imitation of it, I feel nothing, I only exist when contrasted to others, I react but don't feel, none of my actions besides those primal like are real, my motivations are all fabrication, I'm an empty crude imitation of a human. I've never felt anything.
>>4816564
I got one of these today as a gift, I've failed everyone, my heroes and family, I've failed art.

>>4816594
Late at night, forgive my typos
I'm in no postion to have an opinion about it
Use the word
I'd use it

I can't believe I got to do this in 2 hours, going the sketch route was the right decision.
Feast your eyes on my sick composition skills

>>4816345
Your mom

>>4816603
Ok good, now finish it

>>4816594
You have the soul of a poet. Why do you try to draw?

Also post your art please

This was the first gesture/figure drawing I tried since starting Hampton’s book. I’m still super early in it but does it look half decent? Anything glaringly wrong or is it just general /beg/ understanding so far

>>4816695

>>4816695
You're not gesture drawing. You've gotta focus more on capturing the flow of the motion than making those hard, certain lines. Hampton's got a video on how he does gestures that you might wanna look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApyH98uufXg

Please tell me how to practice correctly. I'm tired of not making any progress.

What do I do if my hand doesn't move they way I want it to?

i can graduate from /beg/ to /alt/ for good now right?

>>4816737
tyvm anon I’m at the gym now but I’ll check it out. I just can’t get it to look like the examples so I think his video will help a lot.

>>4816813
It's not cool to flex on /beg/, now fuck off back to /alt/

>>4816750
If you don't know what you should practice for the day just do a portrait.
Regardless of your level you will always come out having learned something new or gotten better at something after studying a portrait.
I recommend drawing bartok, simple clean features and all the challenge is placing them right on his skull.

>>4816818
>Tfw I'm always flexing on /beg/ with my cool pieces but they're still just /beg/

>>4816451
>>4816461
Cmon guys respond.

>>4816949
We don't discuss actual drawing skills here.
Please go somewhere else.

>>4816813
No you're still solidly beg. Anyone who says different is either trolling you or beg themselves.

>>4816003

>>4817072

>>4816827
Other anon here, just used this as a basis for my first ever construction (as opposed to just focusing on copying lines/shapes).

>>4817015
?? This is the beginner thread and i'm still pretty much a beginner.

>>4817083
You might want to go check for your eye.

>>4817109
rude

>>4817117
I don't deny that i'm rude.
But i hope it's a wake up call for you.

>>4817123
i'm kidding you fuck

i literally started drawing 4 days ago, of course it's trash

>>4817126
You're off to a great start anon! Don’t give up!

>>4817126
Even if you just started, it wouldn't be this bad unless you're barely trying.
Don't be afraid to change as you draw.
You shouldn't get the size of the nose and ears wrong so badly.
Perhaps you noticed it as well, but you just want to finish the drawing instead of redrawing those part.
Just use your eraser, redraw mistakes that you noticed if you know how to fix it.

>>4816461
that's because you didnt study gesture and anatomy yet. By doing 100% observation with no theory, such gestures will look terrrible because perfect symmetry is very hard to achieve for a beginner. The human brain is very sensitive to symmetry and if your gesture is not then it will look horrible even if its a little off.

>>4817141
Yeah I tend not to erase things such as a wrong nose/ear shape, I just power through. I'll focus more on redoing bad parts next time.

>>4817184
My advice is to not power through drawings.
We are /beg/s and we shouldn't focus on the completion of drawings, but to learn from the process of drawing.
When i finish a drawing, i should have tried my very best to fix things that i spotted.
Never finish a drawing for the sake of finishing it.
You gain nothing but a crappy drawing.

>>4816814
>>4816695
I watched his video and copied a couple to try to get a feel for how he does it, obviously this isn’t from the dome and I just copied but it really helped me understand. I don’t know that I can do it myself this decently yet hit it helps me get started in the right direction. Ty anon.

fuck eyes

>>4816451
for me it is. I feel like because a character facing forward makes it easier to see the flaws in the drawing.

>>4817051
>post on /beg/
>get told to leave /beg/
>"but i got told to go back to /beg/"
>no you fell for shitposting, leave /beg/
>post on /alt/
>go back to /beg/
>"but i got told to leave /beg/"
>no you fell for shitposting go back to /beg/
honestly it just sounds like you guys can't decide on your own labels, I'll be posting on both threads from now on regardless and ignoring all posts that aren't objective criticism.

Second time ever doing anatomy. I really don't know the fuck I'm doing. The unfinished leg is unnaturally turned, but I honestly don't know how to fix it. I was also wondering if the folds on the skirt/her arm thing were ok/how can I improve them.

>>4817547
I'm not gonna lie desu your photo quality is kinda shit maybe that has something to do with it. If it were in a higher quality perhaps people could gauge /beg/ levels better.

>>4817568
yeah you are absolutely correct i need to buy a scanner sometime

>>4817547
Sorry anon you're actually dead and this is purgatory.

>>4817251
Literally 5 times better. Keep going anon!

>>4817547
congratulations shinji

How do I learn how to sketch faster? I feel like me being too slow Is bad for my progress

So how long is the average stay in /beg/? 2 years? 3?

>>4817735
2 months if you're diligent, 6 if not. a long time if you think you dont need fundies and can just draw

>>4817726
stop yourself every 30 seconds and start anew

lazy day at work

Head construction is fun.

>>4817751
How do I know when I’m /alt/?

>>4816813
if that's considered beg then im fucked, in fact i'm pretty sure your the motherfucker who does the final fantasy art covers in disguise at this point

>>4817559
b-blog?

I think drawing mindlessly for years has given me decent shape design but I should grind figure and portrait to be more consistent with my characters.

>>4817860
you'll feel it

>>4817991
wait im still new to this board. What is /alt/?

Another failure.
>>4816648
I try to draw because it makes me feel alive, as a child my mother bought me something, a book. the masters, I remember the paintings, I was completely in love with all of them, with art. All I ever want is to earn it's love.
>>4816827
I tried again, I thought this was going to be better, I can see the mistakes but I won't point them out, the mouth area along with the chin were devastating, I changed it many times, tricked by the angle and sometimes it ended up way longer than it is, I've done enough attempts at trying to fix it, more would just damage the paper.

Art is a harsh being, she has no use for those who fail.

>>4818040
It’s literally not even that bad stop being such a whiny fucking baby.

>>4818048
not bad? are you kidding me? art has no need for that, how can I earn her love and attention if I'm a lowly /beg/ that keeps failing, the mouth are has no redemption, I've insulted the masters by doing such a thing and releasing it into the world, I seek understanding of art and all it's forms anon, there's just failure right now.

>>4818051
based and autism pilled

>>4818051
the mouth area has no redemption whatsoever - typo
my bad, stil sleepy, the eye got close but I made a huge mistake, the nose, let's not talk about the nose, my lines remain lackluster, I would say some areas show improvement like the general feeling of the placement of the eye, it was lower but I realized the angle and tried to fix it.

bump.

>>4818048
>>4816648
>>4816827

don't feed the schizo

>>4818040
Only now do I notice that there seems to be two different perspectives, the eye is not on the same direction as the lips
>>4818067
I'm not schizophrenic, I'll try to post all in a single post you can filter, we are both here for art remember

Shitty daily drawing to keep me invested

>>4818189
how?

>>4817559
i tried.

>>4818243
you are a godsend, I love you

>>4818243
you went for more realistic anatomy and actually outperformed the original piece (if the piece on the right is yours)

>>4818243
Left: Soul
RIght: Soulless

>>4816010
Leg on the left too small, shoulder on the right very high and tense

Tried actually finishing something for once. Any tips how to make this less... stiff?

>tfw stuck at two first exercises from keys
Its a bad idea to go further without getting them right, isn't it?

>tfw you draw for like 5 hours
Nobody told me how psychologically draining art was. I feel pretty pleased with my improvement from this session but I also feel like I can’t think. Guess it’s a good thing.
/blog

>>4818427
post what your figuring drawing looks like, everyone here will tell you to practice it more

>>4818353
Left: Bad
Right: Badless

>>4818427
Nice job finishing your piece, good job

I would advice you to more more more figure drawing practice. the primary reason why your figure looks stiff is because people don't 'stand' like that without 'tensing' their muscles.

Try adopting her exact stance, (or him) and you'll feel very awkward indeed. Next time take a photo of yourself in the pose you want to try and use that as reference.

Play with the elements as well, hair is an amazing component of the body to juxtapose to indicate mood and also movement.

>>4818427
I think her torso might be too boxy. It’s a little difficult for the gesture to come through because she lacks form and definition in the abdomen/chest area.

Need some perspective help. I'd like to make a perfect square in 2-point perspective. I've found videos on how to do it on the ground plane, but I haven't found any way to do it with the square "upright", with the height being the only side with set and known length. Any help appreciated (The red line in the image is what I'm trying to place to make this a perfect square in perspective).

>>4818545
if it looks like a square its a square ^~^

>>4816813
Fuck no

>>4818040
Hey schizo have you read the keys to drawing sighting section already?

nobody is telling me what /alt/ is :C

>>4818584
no

>>4818586
/alt/ is where non-begs post art, sometimes begs post there to test themselves to see if they are ready or not.

>>4818243
how to get started on this?

>>4818658
Hard round brush

>>4818243
Based

>>4816813
/beg/ is a vague as fuck term now.
you can be better than everyone ITT and still get told to gb2 /beg/, my advice is post wherever the fuck you want and ignore people who cry about it

>>4818189
Isn't that just a scene from the show?

>>4818545
>a perfect square
If you want to make a perfect perspective cube just measure out both sides equally. If you want it to be an actual cube though that doesn't look odd. You need to be it dead center, of the 2 VPs and then dead on the horizon line.

>>4818597
of course you dont know how to draw from observation then you dumb nigga, go read that shit NOW

>>4818705
what section is it again?

>>4818700
read the vn again last night and that image got stuck in my head vividly so I attempted to construct it from memory

>>4818431
I'm just a /beg/, but I was told it's fine to work ahead as long you're making an honest effort to internalize the material and continue to practice until you get the concepts right.

>>4816003
I don't know how to draw. Help.
I've been doing these value studies I guess is what people call them.
I feel like a learn a good bit every time I do one so I'm gonna keep doing them.

Also how the fuck do you draw eyes without making people look like monsters?
I can copy a lot of stuff but I can't copy eyes. Should I just, like, isolate the eye and practice?

>>4818715
section 3 but the whole book is a treasure trove

>>4818782
I even refuse to start section 2 until I fully fully get section 1
Anon, you don't have to do it perfectly right? When you measure and make the outline, you don't have to do it as it is, shape and all, right? Just the outline, the direction and length, and then you modify or is that wrong
Anon, what else do I need?

how do I learn the feel of proper digital painting and the proper headspace for thinking in digital paint? I want to be able to intuitively feel the correct way to paint in the same way that I can intuitively feel how to construct properly with drawing.

I practice a lot but I feel like I'm just drawing with paint and it always looks fucked up and shitty

Here’s what I was doing today, I should learn to paint and render better but line drawings are way more fun/fast

24 aug 2020

>>4818805
>I practice a lot but I feel like I'm just drawing with paint
Mistake. Do big shapes to capture the silhouette, drawing with paint looks shitty and wastes time

>>4818819
Nice beetles

>>4818800
i dont know man just use sighting for points and copy what you see, draw big shapes then smaller shapes, check with horizontal/vertical lines and fix if u got it wrong

>>4818820
how do you move into the interior and work on the features while still trying to work with shapes? I can wrap my head around working with shapes to capture the silhouette, but I default back to drawing when I try to work on anything inside the silhouette

So about how long does it usually take to get decent at figure drawing? I'm starting Proko right now.

>>4817915
Amano here, AMA

>>4818858
What’s the best final fantasy and why is it VI?

>>4818832
what should i draw after i master beetles?

>>4818860
>What’s the best final fantasy
5
>why
tree

>>4818879
Nice style, but now that you're drawing real things we are familiar with, I can see they're a bit lumpy. The hatching is still great but your hatch lines are getting a little too curvy in some places from fast strokes.
You should draw people. It will open a whole new world of subject matter.

>>4818887
look at all that chicken scratching.
Clear lack of line confidence, muddy colours, clearly has no idea what he's doing.
needs more loomis.
Amano is safely /beg/.

>>4818888
And by lumpy I was referring to the contour lines of the roaches. The hatching comment was separate.

>>4818898
people huh. i'll give it a shot, but it seems like quite a leap from bugs.

Would it be a bad idea to gesture draw other's art?

>>4818924
only if they're also bad

>>4818922
also thank you for the feedback on the lines. i felt that too, also that i wasn't recording a very "organic" contour in some cases. from some of them you remove the detail work and it looks like a pill with legs. something for me to consider going forward

when i draw the gestures hampton draqs it makes sense but i cannot do this myself at all, how do I learn? Is it just drawing people over and over?

>>4818928
This was something I was about to ask. Gesture drawing doesn't seem like it would be all that helpful outside of maybe breaking down images at some point.

I'm still about to do it as it seems like a valuable thing to have, but it's just seems difficult to try and grasp it, if you aren't getting constant feedback.

My first big canvas any advise

guys, i’m just going to start all over. what do i study from square one? i more than likely already have the necessary resources.

>>4818931
draw a lot of figures slowly with simple construction shapes. like 5 minutes a piece. follow huston's course for more

>>4818928
Have you followed his 'algorithm'? It doesn't work for all poses but I think it's fine for a lot of them until you start getting the hang of it. Have you watched his gesture lecture or have just been reading his book?

>>4818776
check and double check proportion marks and then zoom in both on your drawing and your reference, create a new layer to sketch the eyes without adding any value, keep it on top of your painting layer and then start rendering, remember to zoom out and flip your canvas to see if it looks okay

Is drawing with a Pigma Micron fine for figure drawing, or should I hunt down some pencils in my house.

>>4818939
sticky
but don’t waste valuable time anon, i tried to start over but i felt i wasted time relearning observation

Noob question here: what are some decent apps for drawing (or even sketching) on Android? I realize tablet + comp and high end tablets iPad Pros are obviously the way to go for serious work, but if I want to just dick around on my phone and sketch something out is there any app (free or otherwise) that isn't complete dogshit?

>>4818970
ibis paint, krita

>>4818947
his book doesn't arrive until Wednesday. this was my attempt to do gesturing without following along with him
>>4816567

>>4818040
Better than previous, don’t beat yourself up too much op

>>4819075
previous?

>>4818040
do you use vine charcoal

>>4819089
no

>>4818813
>mfw no one ever responds

Why does /ic/ keep telling people they're not gonna make it if they're not smart enough? Is intelligence being related to art even supported by science?

There's tons of Twitter artists who are really good. They can't all be above average IQ.

>>4819120
i mean whats there to say? its trash go read the sticky and learn fundies and dont even think about rendering at least for a year

>>4818040
dude you yelled at me for days about some eyes i did but you can construct a head just fine and I don't even know what a nose looks like lmao cmon you need to chill on yourself

Alright, I've started fiddling with the gestures. I kind of get it, but I also kind of don't. I think my brain keeps trying to add too many details in certain areas. By the time I finished I had started to pull away from them and started to kind of understand that it's just the gesture is supposed to be used as an under layer for a final drawing. To help you understand the motion of the body, not really it's shape. I think.

References will be in the next post.

>>4816603
sketching from imagination only is extremely based
crabs on /ic/ get mad when you do anything besides copy bargue plates

>>4819160

>>4819160
... Did you skip learning construction and form?

>>4819167
The fuck are those? I was just told to learn gesture.

probably clean it up later

>>4819113
so what in the fuck did you use

>>4819175
just do the opposite of whatever /ic/ tells you to do as a beginner and you will make way more progress

/ic/ can only help you once you draw for 5+ years and are in solid int territory

>>4819181
I'm following this guy, he's not breaking down complex shapes. He's just doing lines that follow the curves of the body.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFP8L4OUL2E

I'm not looking to make ketchup bottles. I can already do shit like break objects down into simple shapes, I did that shit in 3d modeling.

I failed last time I tried to do gesture drawing, I forgot most of hampton's stuff
I failed, pure failure at gesture drawing
>>4819179
normal pencil
>>4819160
is this good gesture? how are you doing it?
>>4818928
I like this one

>>4819189
thank you but I cannot do it without guidance and im not sure how to get it right

>>4819189
>is this good gesture? how are you doing it?
I don't know, That's why I'm asking. This was literally my first time doing gestures.

>>4819182
gesture is absurdly complex and you shouldnt even attempt to study gesture until after around a year of drawing very seriously

>>4819181
>>4819182
NGMI

>>4819201
>NGMI

Keys to drawing shows me that I'm not good enough to attempt gesture, my lines lack personality, my lines are mechanical, even hampton has failed me

>>4819201
Anon, I get NGMI and GI in the same day most days. If you aren't going to provide any context, then clearly you lack the skills needed to be of help. And for sure will never make it.

Did this in Sai, any tips on how to improve the coloring?

This is not how I should be, but I've grown to resent Hampton and his videos, his method mocks me over my constant failure at grasping it, Vilppu is too complex, I would be lost at sea, the depths of failure are infinite, room for everyone who dares to ask, Icarus

I drew this but it looks weird for some reason, like something about the proportion in the eye area is off. Can someone help me figure out what it is?

This place really is a cesspool of bad advice. It's just a bunch of people intentionally leading you the wrong direction so you don't succeed like them.

I'm off to rdt

>>4819200
You are bad and wrong. Gesture is incredibly important to good figure drawing and you should start learning it as soon as you've got a good understanding of construction.

I'm tired of portraits, I don't feel I'm learning enough what should I draw?

>>4819229
fingers

>>4819229
feet

>>4819219
good artists show up occasionally. the biggest issue is that tons of femoids, third worlders, and people with borderline or other mental disorders chose art as their profession. and so begs usually get inundated with replies from these losers instead of good artists.

example: paco our hypothetical latin american friend, has a bad day and retreats home to his favela. he takes a shower with an electrically heated shower head and opens 4chan on his laptop from 2008 underneath a single flickering filament bulb. he leans against a haphazardly constructed mortar and brick wall on a wooden stool scrolling through /ic/ looking for threads to shill his shitty art accounts. he draws depraved fetish porn on his 20 dollar wacom bamboo so he can afford to buy illegally reproduced console games next time he goes to his third world bazaar. paco sees a beg thread while loading up /ic/ on page zero and a beginner is looking for advice with construction. paco flies into a rage and tells the beginner artist their art is awful and they should quit drawing forever. paco does this because like the rest of his countrymen, he only knows how to destroy and not create.

>>4819228
yes, and >>4819160 should work on construction more before getting ahead of themselves

>>4819160
How long did you do each gesture?
It looks like you're too focus on the forms then the lines of action. The point of gestures it that they are suppose to be quick, you captures the rough image of the movement. That's why its called a gesture. The longer the time period the more you can spend on the form.
A gesture can be done in a few seconds to a few minutes.

>>4819235
>>4819233
alright

>>4819239
This made me kek pretty hard

I think a lot of people on here don't time their gestures.

>>4819253
wtf no one told me to get a metronome

>>4819240
I fully agree, but gating gesture behind a year of study is going way too far. You should really give it a shot as soon as you're comfortable with contours and form. Basically once you're out of drawabox territory you're good to go.

>>4819259
Use a time on your phone or computer

>>4819240
>>4819263
So completely ignore the guide posted here.

>>4819242
1 minute each.

While we're on gestures, what do you guys think of these? I'm trying to copy Hampton's gesture method which is why I've sort of roughed in the torso and pelvis on all of them. I also took a bit more time on the last one to develop some of those forms but ignore that.

>>4819276
they're 60 seconds each, by the way.

>>4819276
how to get gesture anon?

Any of the 10 buck Udemy courses worth it? Just seems like an easier way to get some structure going.

>>4819282
I tried the Blender course for like 8 hours, seemed good.

>>4819285
It's kind of tempting, because 12 bucks to get access to all that shit in a nice form package seems like a good idea.

https://www.udemy.com/course/character-art-school-complete-character-drawing/?LSNPUBID=vedj0cWlu2Y&ranEAID=vedj0cWlu2Y&ranMID=39197&ranSiteID=vedj0cWlu2Y-r2PflI0BxykdDXWdsI9L2g&utm_medium=udemyads&utm_source=aff-campaign

>>4819285
>>4819288
Now that I think about it, fuck I'm getting it. I've just spent like 80 bucks on supplies recently and 230 bucks on the Kamvas sale. So 12 bucks is nothing.

How do I get my drawings to stop looking flat? I also wanna draw more poses.

>>4819297
let us know if you like it

>>4819302
anon /beg/ had this conversation just now

>>4819302
You, my friend, are symbol drawing. Go take a look at the sticky for some good advice on where to start to get rid of that. If you want your drawings to look 3D, you need to draw as though you're working in 3D.

>>4819279
Like others have said, start with construction and form with something like keys to drawing or drawabox, and once those make sense you can move on to gesture. Gestures revolve around finding a 'line of action' in the pose, and if you don't have a good understanding of how that line moves through the parts of the body then you won't get good looking gestures.

>>4819228
Gesture is extremely important. But a year one beginner has to learn so much it's just stupid to tell them to study gesture. It's like telling a student in remedial algebra classes to study signal processing.

i suck, did some more value and head construction. idk its always fucked it seems

>>4819272
>So completely ignore the guide posted here.
Is there some vendetta against structure and form here?

>>4819327
>structure and form
I want structure and form, but the sticky for /beg/ really doesn't do that. It's so absurdly vague.

>>4819325
rendering looks pretty nice, wrong eye size on that big drawing though

I'll work with the leg anatomy tomorrow, I'm done for today
This has been draining everything from me lol
Still, I've received plenty of advice but couldn't figure it out. I'm not good enough yet, I'll keep practicing

What hashtags should I use for insta

>>4819315
What does symbol drawing mean?

Why do my drawings/paintings come out slanted? I have to constantly flip the canvas and correct it, is this something that goes away with practice? It's been happening as long as I can remember.

>>4819367
are you drawing on an easel or the table

>>4819302
Learn observational drawing, draw from reference, read/watch Huston

>draw a head
>smudge everything
>it looks painted
I found a trick

>>4819368
Table, though I did have a stand for my tablet at one point and I don't think it helped, but I'm not sure. You think this could be the reason? Will try again, thanks.

JENNY JENNY,
WHO
CAN I TURN TO?

She looks like a different person in my picture. She looks older. Also what did I do wrong with the nose and eyes??

you guys trashed my gif last thread. is this one any better?

>>4819433
the lines are too thick, making it the shapes look ambiguous and hard to read, try using thinner and darker lines

>>4819433
I think it looks alright, but why not just post each drawing on its own? It would be easier to know if there's something wrong with them

>>4819433
Looks solid since you can animate

>>4816534
Anyone have any thoughts on these? I know they're ass and I have hundreds more to go but I'd appreciate feedback so that I can recognize and stop making any fundamental mistakes sooner rather than later.

I have a hard time actually figuring out what to draw, and instead find myself constantly doing exercises such as drawing shapes etc. and never find myself actually drawing anything. Is drawing the shit Loomis tells me too enough? How did you overcome the fear that you were going to draw wrong because you just don't know how to draw what you want to? What are some good things to draw just some I'm drawing something?

>>4819455
Just doodle some easy kawaii designs

>>4819455
accept that you're going to be shit for a while

>>4819451
Chin connects to the neck in a weird way, one thing you can do is draw through on the other side and make sure you connect the jaw properly to each sides and then to the neck, that part seems off in the top row.

>>4819432

I like this a lot. Here’s what I see. The nose/keystone area should be overlapping the right eye more. When you look at the reference you barely see the lacrimal caruncle/tear duct of her eye, you fully draw it in. You also haven’t aligned her eye brows and ears.

There’s this idea called bracketing in figure drawing and it works for all the symmetric parts of the body. Essentially it just helps you remember things should be aligned in proportion. Look up Kirk Shinomoto’s short YouTube video on it. It should help with really ensuring you’re thinking about invisible horizontal wrapping lines that go across the face and align things on the same latitude, like pupils, eye brows, ears and the keystone of the nose etc.

She’s got a lot of appeal in the drawing. More than the photo. Good job

I hate zoomer artists. I hate seeing young artists. I don't even think they're better than me or any crab shit like that, I just hate them. I hate everything about them, I hate the things they like, I hate the way they dress, talk, and the way they look

1st attempt at drawing a female without a reference. How bad is it, so far?

>>4817547
That's mean you're high beg.
You can choose to stay here and let others envy of you.
Or you can push yourself harder to impress the better skilled artists.

>>4819499
s o u l

I draw alot of 2d guns n stuff but I don't usually do them in perspective let alone with people holding them. Any advice???

So what I traced these eyes? Gimme a break

>>4819480
What do they like?

>>4816061
Kind of cool desu, good stuff

And this is why I wanted structure. I can look at other stuff and get an idea of how to draw it, I can't for fuck all draw things from my mind down, despite having some foundation for a character.

So many fucking neat Ideas, that I can't even use. Lesson 1 tells you to take a character and draw it from imagination in a way you like. So I did. Right is an idea I want to do, left is a drawing I looked at drew. So tired of doing what is on the left. Let's see how much progress I can make on this shit.

>>4819470
Thank you
But I feel like I am already ruining it by trying to color it.

>>4819468
Alright, I'll start on that. Thanks!

Any tips on how to make my lines more organized? I feel like they're too messy

>>4819529
ref

>>4819514
Zoomers love roses and romantic bike rides and fond farewells

>>4819480
Stop hanging around kids

>>4819480
but most of all you hate that they churn out mediocre fanart at a similar rate and quality to you yet manage to have a social life worth posting about on their twitter

>>4819559
does that anon even do fanart

>>4819359
symbol drawing is when you take shortcuts and draw a symbolic representation of something instead of what it actually looks like in real life. For example, you might symbol draw a house as a box with a triangle on it instead of trying to draw a 3D realistic house. In your picture the face, hands, feet, and clothes were obviously symbol drawn which is why they look so flat.

If you read the first little bit of 'Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain', the author does a much better job of explaining what symbol drawing is and where it comes from. Good luck anon, and don't stop for anyone.

>>4819567
Have you read Drawing on the Left Side of your Ass? If not, you should

>>4819536
That sounds nice.

>>4819567
The thing though is that im trying to save a slightly cartoony art style

Is it possible to learn both character design and background painting at the same time or would that be overachieving?

>>4819581
>Slightly
And your went full cartoon.

>>4819582
Yes.

>>4819581
>>4816003
>READ THE STICKY for some guidance:

>>4819582
initially perhaps not on the same page, but gradually you'd draw environments that your characters would naturally inhabit

my next drawing will earn me mockery on here

>>4819616
Not as worst as anyone ones else's drawings

This is the reference

>>4819616
your constant attention whoring does that just fine all on its own

>>4816737
>>4816814
>>4817717
Ok anon I can’t thank you enough. I’ve got a long ways to go of course, but this is my first figure/gesture drawing (are those two terms the same? No idea) since looking at the video. The previous two >>4817251 were directly copied from his video so I could get a sense or a feel for how it worked. Pic related are my old “gesture” drawings, and the last page has my most recent ones. I actually drew the right one first and didn’t like it so redrew it on the left, and it seems to be much better. I’ll post the reference after. In any case, ty again anon and anyone feel free to comment on anything wrong. Ty lads

ALL DRAWING FOR FUN HAS BEEN HALTED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE
PRACTICE ON HUMAN SUBJECTS IS COMPLETELY HALTED
i can't hide my shame, I'm no longer able or worthy of drawing a human being, portrait or not, only practice
>>4819630
and this is the horrible drawing I did

>>4819641
I'm asking for feedback anon

>>4819646
This was the reference. The first one completely failed to capture the grounded leg and looked like a dogshit jump or something, but I got the idea across much better on the second (left) attempt

>>4819647
youre drawing stuff that isnt there or isnt that strong eg nose bridge, lip outline

my lines remain trash, how can I go on like this? There's no worth to my current work, I'm not good enough
>>4819653
then what can be done? I have no idea, I'm merely a fool, a deluded fool for thinking of drawing that reference, I have no talent, I'm a lyrebird

>>4819658
theres nothing to do besides next time just don't draw stuff that isn't there
i guess you can squint at the reference and that will help pick out whats actually important

>>4819647
How long did it take you?

>>4819660
the thing is that, the drawing is just horrible, next one will be too, I don't know what to draw or what not to draw, others manage to imply something, but I have no idea what to do, I simply have no idea what to show and what to imply, all my lines are mechanical, cold, soulless.
Eviston said about starting with light lines and then darken WELL I DO JUST THAT BUT I FAIL AT IT SINCE EVERYTHING LOOKS MESSY AND HORRIBLE
AND I DARKEN MORE AS A RESULT BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BLURRY SO FUCKING BLURRY AND DIRTY AND WHAT HAPPENS? MY LINES LOOK HORRIBLE, TOO STRONG AND COLD, AN OUTLINE WITHOUT PERSONALITY

BUT NO THATS NOT ALL, HOW ABOUT THE FACT I DONT THINK I CAN PROPERLY OBSERVE
I HAVE NEVER FINISHED THE UPSIDE DOWN PICASSO BECAUSE I CANT PROPERLY GAUGE SIZES
>>4819668
i dont know, i no longer have clocks around
if i had to guess 30 mins
I KNOW I KNOW HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA IKNOW

>>4819671
You're only struggling with the features of the face, try sharpening your pencil

>>4819671
I'm point that it looked a bit rushed. Art takes time and dedication to be good at it and even it take years.
Stop beating yourself up over a sketch.
Construction the body more and be more delicate with your lines. Sketching softly.

>>4819671
your lines look fine to me idk what you're complaining about. just be more careful especially with facial features. if there isn't a sharp shadow or edge then don't draw it with a line

I can feel the gains with every exercise bros
We're all GMI, keep up those studies

>>4819714
>finished lesson 1 of DAB
>250 box challenge
>also have another lesson plan I'm following
>feels good
>but frustrating as fuck

>>4819714
but have you drawn for fun

>>4819714
I want to see your fruitful work bro....

>>4819731
>try to draw the railroad from perspective made easy
>realize afterward that the lines dont meet at the vp in the center
fuck

>>4818952
Thank you very much anon

>>4819649
don't avatarfag

>>4816003
i never render and really need help with all the finishing touches that go into digital. how do i start? do i flat colour into shading, or do a greyscale first like some artists do? i dont think im at the skill level to do greyscaling however. i come from traditional and its kind of really hard to understand rendering from the digital point of view. also i know not doing it only makes it worse, but i genuinely have no clue how to finish a drawing in digital.
also, a second question, other than drawing a lot (believe me, i already do that) what are good exercises for understanding anatomy and gesture?
thanks for answering any of these if you

So for the most part, spent the last two days studying. So decided to do the first page in my sketchbook. Since, I don't know how to draw much else besides portraits and some Loomis, I'll probably fill the first few pages up with those until my lessons give me something to fiddle with.

>>4819493
I saw your nose, Mr Goldberg.

>>4819502
>advice???
Draw them then?

>>4819832
>cigarette isn't broken in half and dangling
Still, nice work.

>>4819843

>>4819880
Fantastic!

>>4819883

>>4819347
i like it anon! good luck!

>>4819651
>>4819646
Might anyone reply with any thoughts on it ;w;

new thread >>4820026

new thread >>4820026

new thread >>4820026

>>4819559
>fanart