/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

diversity reference

>>4799072

Can I get some feedback other than "looks like an old woman dressed up as a little girl"?

>>4799077

>>4799076
>>4799079
Sorry bro but Im not gonna draw that nigga

>>4799078
Study eyes.
Draw 100 eyes.
Then draw some more eyes.
Hampton has a chapter for drawing faces that includes a page or two for eyes.

If i stick to my grinding schegdule which is about an hour and half a day
Do forms, anatomy, perspective etc
How long will it take to get from absolute never held a pencil beg to someone who is ok? Roughly speaking ofcourse.
Please tell me its less than a year

>>4799078
Im no expert but I think you should practice blocking in and constructing the hair. It looks pretty sloppy. Start with solid shapes to form it.

>>4799078
Also stop drawing lashes like this for gods sake

>>4799091
What do you mean? Right up against the eyeball?

So what's the best way to measure out the thirds of a face/head? comparing it to your pencil portion wise?

>>4799078
ref

>>4799093
Thick parallel lines that show no form or variation, its the most /beg/ thing to do. My advice is just stop drawing lashes altogether, in the ref you posted you can barely even see them.

>>4799087
3 to 6 months, though it depends on what you mean by being okay.

>>4799104
Meant for >>4799088

>>4799067
lineguy here again. was learning today. end goal is comics

>>4799104
I mean get human proportions right
I manage to screw that up even when using reference. Female hips are a mystery to me if i make them wider than shoulders than the whole thing looks like a square if i make them narrow than its just a dude with tits
By ok i meant anything that isn't dog shit

>>4799119
Are you working traditionally or digitally? Check out Iten's accuracy guide and zoom out frequently to spot mistakes before finishing your drawing. I haven't tried this but I've heard doing timed OUTLINE drawings is a good way to improve your sense of proportion for figure drawing.

>>4799111
looks nice but fix the knees

BROS I CAN FEEL THE GAINS
THEY ARE SHITTY GAINS BUT I FEEL EM
FUCK YEAH WERE ALL GONNA MAKE IT

aight dis is a focken sheit drawen
but am tryin ma best maet
ane critiscm?
also I'm reading Keys to Drawing

>>4799228
This is the reference by the way.

>>4799228
you need some loomis in your life

>>4799097
>>4799078
Don't draw symbol eyes/nose/mouth like that. squint your eyes draw what you see, and if it helps use image manipulation so you can find better shapes. note using binarization/posterization the eyes/nose/mouth can be abstracted into graphic shapes instead of lines; it omits unnecessary detail, yet still reads well.
by comparison in your drawings:
>the reflected light on the bottom lip is overstated
>the occluded area of the eyeball is overstated
>the lines on the nose are overstated
>the left side (our left) of the face is overstated
overstated meaning too high contrast. generally avoid lines and hard edges for a 'younger' look. your medium doesn't really help, but compare the value gradients on the cheeks/jaw

in terms of form,
for younger skulls, the forehead is more rounded. the plane of the eyebrow ridge should protrude under the corners of that spherical shape. the eyelid should also be more rounded/portruding, and be lighter in value. etc etc you can play spot the difference for yourself.

Hey dudes, I took the advice of an anon yesterday and made an active effort to avoid symbol drawing and instead break everything down into basic geometric shapes.

Any critiques?

no Reference for this one, how is it?

>>4796937 no, sorry.

>>4799255
And here is the source image I was copying from.

Posted in last thread but I just finished the eye on the right. Would be great if someone could critique my study. I think my values are still kinda fucked.

>>4799255
>>4799260

this is not the sort of reference you should be using, especially to be breaking down an image into basic shapes to learn structure, use models at least life modelling etc, things in the actual world not another persons sketch

>>4799260
it's not a good reference but so long as it gets you drawing...

this is the most fucking impossible exercise to do i swear to God it makes me feel like a 4 year old

>>4799282
Ok, I'll use life models next time, thanks.

>>4799296
what? these look good though, you're nailing it

>>4799302
I can't hit all 4 edges or get the second pass to follow the first : (

>>4799333
then keep doing it until you can..
you need to work on your lines as well desu most of them are bent as fuck

>>4799078
I think there are a couple of issues: the accuracy of the proportions (line) and the values.

Like others said, practice breaking down the head into simple shapes. Find the main anchor points and measure. Here's a good starting point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbykmKopBrc

For values, it helps to squint or step way back to see the overall big value shapes. I sometimes convert my image to black and white so I don't get distracted by color. The value shapes on her face are off and make her look a bit like an old person.

Hope that helps.

technically next day

>>4799336
i feel like my clipboard is wobbling when i ghost the lines.

Left was an illustration of Asuka I tried to copy but failed miserably. Middle is a portrait study which I’ll never finish. Right is the sum of all my anatomy study and I did it from imagination, I think the rendering turned out pretty well.

I can draw pretty well from imagination it seems but I suck at copying reference well. Any tips? Also I’m better than everyone in case you didn’t already know that.

planes of head study

planes of head study, why the fuck does this come out rotated when windows opens it just fine

Tried some heads

Thoughts on this, how bad is it?

I should note, his hands and feet are huge on purpose.

>>4799381

these are the first things ive drawn since i was 10.
i want to make a graphic novel series and this is my first step. let my know how i can improve as an absolute beginner

>>4799228
That dude is really hot, who is that

I've been grinding out basic forms through tracing poses for like 2 weeks and haven't actually made any art. What the fuck do I do after that? People are extremely confusing especially when they say to just draw like the scribbles I make aren't so shit they aren't worth finishing.

I obviously don't want to make anything bad, so I don't finish these traces, but I also have no idea when I know I'll be good enough to actually draw a character and not just trace a vague form, and basically every place I go just says "just make something bad" like I'm going to do that instead of just wait till I can make something good. What the fuck?

i'm sad

>>4799339
based and cute kid pilled

>>4799444
sticky

>>4799444
grinding withour making art is so weird. youe like those people who go to the gym but dont play any sports. studying is to make you better at drawing because presumably you like drawing. how could you take 2 weeks off?

>>4799444
trust me, tracing wont help you improve. just think of a pose and draw a stick figure with correct proportions then try your best to draw your character out of that.

>>4799463
But I'm not good enough to do that. Why would I make something shit?

>>4799462
That's the thing I don't like drawing. At least at this point. Everyone has told me I just have to suffer several months of miserably grinding fundamentals before drawing actually becomes enjoyable. I'm only hoping I can endure it for that long.

cloth study

>>4799471
did this nigga just draw a grand wizard

>>4799469
im at the same stage you are at right now. take the plunge, whats the worst that can happen? the art posted above your original post is mine. i think its a good start

>>4799477
Because I know it will look bad and I can't bear to make something bad. That's why I'm grinding fundamentals so the first piece I make is at least passable. It fucking sucks and it's miserable borderline mental torture just grinding out unartistic forms and figures with zero creative expression but I guess it'll be worth it at the end. Hopefully.

>>4799469
just fucking quit if you dont like it. learn to weld or some shit thatll make you money. im compelled to draw. i cant not draw. im like an addict. why would you want to spend time on this if you dont even like it?

Did this for the Chroma Corps thing. Ended up with really fucked up values and stuff, but was so burnt out that I decided to stop as my head started hurting after some time.

>>4799492
Because I really want to fucking draw. Everyone has told me that it sucks ass for months or even years before it's fun so I guess I'll just have to deal with it. I will not die happy until I can just fucking draw.

>>4799485
lol i was literally you yesterday, like 24 hours ago. i wish i got out of that mindset years ago. ill post more of my art here in the hopes of encouraging you

>>4799475
its a penitents uniform from Holy Week in Spain

>>4799500
i believe in you!

Ninja man drawing.

>>4799228
gmi

>>4799500
dont waste your life pursuing something that you dont naturally like. without the natural drive you wont have the passion required to master a skill. find something you love and spend your time learning that.

>>4799508
I'm starting to think that some people are just built for drawing and people like me are dumbasses wasting their time attempting to struggle past limits we weren't meant to surpass.

>>4799516
I don't like anything but writing and I'm so fucking tired of the inherent limitations of that. I want to make comics. I don't want to fucking write books.

Every single goddamn time I write a story I think "wow, this would be a million times easier to get across to my reader if I could just fucking draw it". I swear to god, there's literally NOTHING in the world I want to do more than draw but I was cursed to be eternally shit at it.

>>4799522
>I'm starting to think that some people are just built for drawing and people like me are dumbasses wasting their time attempting to struggle past limits we weren't meant to surpass.
I'm so fucking tired of hearing this. You can attain ANYTHING you put your energy into, as long as you are willing to sacrifice other things. If you put the work in consistently and work through the pain, you WILL make it. If you don't make it, I'll let you kill me.

>>4799475
Uncultured and retarded

How do I develop the ability to know what I'm trying to draw before I start drawing?

>>4799571
As in having some sort of vivid image of what you want to draw before drawing? You don't. Literally impossible unless you have some sort of special brain.

>>4799228
u doing good
remember to pay attention to angles and thinking of plumb/level lines.

>>4799494
get out of here

>>4799578
Shit. Really? I’ve been telling myself my problem is not knowing what I want to draw which is why so many fall apart in the sketching stages. I guess I just suck some other way(s).

It seems like some people copy references using construction (mental 3D shapes),
and others use rote 2D copying techniques (triangular grids, trading, alignment).

When to use one or the other? Or is it better to use both?

>>4799607
*tracing

>>4799578
are you joking, that's how I draw most of my stuff

>>4799067
bros, wtf, am I retarded or posing this mannequin's harder than actually drawing? damn

The rings of my circles are not so tight, what should I do?

How do I know if I'm doing figure drawing right or wrong? It always feels wrong, dont know how to correct it and timeboxing doesn't help either.

Was /beg/ for a bit but had to take some time off, completely forgot wtf to do. I was going through Fun with a pencil, but should I just go through the books in order listed on the google doc?

>>4799604
I'm still /beg/ so don't take my word for this, but it seems that the more you draw, the more complete the images become. But unless you're some kind of wizard, you never get full images, just bits and pieces that become more clear as you recall 'oh, I've drawn something like this before'.

That's why virtually everyone good uses a mountain of references. You don't need imagination, you just need something like 'okay, I'll draw the pose from image A, with the character from image B, wearing something like the clothes in C, in a background from D'. Good copying is half the battle.

Day 6 of drawing once per night. Decided to try Ryan from supermega. This past week that i started drawing once I night i tried more imagination based but this I went strict on reference. The color scheme I probably shouldve tried on, I had just taken the colors from his face rather than try and imitate them or make them on my own. The blending could've been better if I had taken the time to add more details.

I tried to do some 90 second gesture drawing today. am i.. doing this right?

>>4799903
Is doing this thing to make me a good drawer? Also if i am fucking this up how do I fix?

Any good penis references/tutorials?

>>4799265
>Always ignored

>>4799386
picture is for ants, post a higher rez version please

Why the fuck are my gestures dogshit?

>>4799907
/hm/

There are boards on 4chan I've never even visited

>>4799958
I think you are too concerned with the shape of the form and not the direction or velocity of the movement

>>4799906
>>4799958
I don't want to parrot 'feel the form' at either of you but I think a quick explanation may help you:
>feel the form
imagine how it would feel to be doing the action you are trying to draw - for example, raise one arm above your head. Do you feel your shoulder bunch up? Muscles stretch underneath? Other shoulder lowering? Try to convey that FEELING in your gesture.

Another example: try putting your arms in front of you and leaning forward - you should feel it in your back (stretch) and abdomen (compress).

When you compress one muscle, an opposite muscle will expand. This movement, along with the general direction, is what we're trying to capture when we do gestures. S curves are generally pretty stable, while C curves may indicate some action or emphasis. This isn't always the case but might be a helpful tool

>Jumping to anatomy, form & edges
In short gestures we don't care too much about the finer details. Once you get to this point you start moving from gesture drawing to figure drawing. This isn't a bad thing but it should be an active decision. Anatomical landmarks like the 7th cervical vertebra, shoulder blades, iliac crest, nipples, belly button and so on (think boney landmarks mostly) are okay and if they help you with proportions or perspective.

Here's a gesture challenge if you want to have a go, everyone's welcome:
>gesture of 30 seconds or more
>No straight lines: try to draw only with C and S curves
>Single lines - try not to chicken scratch
>No features or shading past the bare minimum

I swear I feel like such a poser sometimes, as if I'm drawing only to post something and have others say "good job anon!" rather than for the sake of actually improving.

you arent ready for faces. this is actually disturbing to look at. draw simple objects. draw a water bottle or a stack of books or a piece of fruit or something like that. i can't critique this. everything is wrong. pencil and paper, black and white. focus on constructing in perspective.

>>4799907
just draw your own

>>4799265
i cant tell if youre trying to draw a cartoon or realism. if its a cartoon its good. if its realism, your shapes on everything are wrong. if you're worried about values, you barely gave any contrast. and its weird to have an eye with no lashes and no highlights. there would always be detail in the corners of the eye, in the iris and highlights in the pupil at least. also you didn't post a reference so no one has anything to compare this to to tell you if your values are "good." maybe you nailed it but you had a bad reference. also i think the shape of your eye is throwing me off. in general the inside of the bottom lid is higher than the outside and vice versa for the top lid.

Ive spent 2 days or about 4 hours total on this
do I give up and move on or keep going?

>>4800113
I'm also /beg/ but I don't think you're going to learn all that much from fine-tuning details. I think being able to get the general idea across is most important

>>4799459
Cincinnati Zoo: Harambe Boogaloo

>>4799067
Shamelessly reposting from the old thread because I was way too late

>>4799397
I would definitely read your comic if you used that same style.

>>4799494
Way too good for this thread, go out and make something, I'd buy it

I have been figure drawing regularly but I'm pretty sure I'm doing it extremely wrong. I need feedback on what to work on and how to improve.

How much attention should I actually pay to the art books in the guide? Should I actively read a good amount fully, for a limited few or just briefly brush over them all quickly for maybe an hour or so at most each?

>>4799459
Getting there

>>4799522
>I'm starting to think that some people are just built for drawing

youre retarded

>>4800087
I tried to only use c and s lines but it’s still shit. I don’t know what you mean by convey the feeling.

>>4799522
I think the same friend. Back when I started I used to think hard work was everything and talent was a lie since I've achieved a lot of things in life through hard work but now few years down the road Im terrible compared to all the people who started at around the same time and my belief system crashed into the ground
>>4799526
>as long as you are willing to sacrifice other things. If you put the work in consistently and work through the pain, you WILL make it. If you don't make it, I'll let you kill me
I did this and the only thing left for me at the moment is pain, constant pain. Im gonna keep drawing everyday because it became basically the only thing I do besides work. But I will need the info on where to cash that bet after I make it to the 5th year and still stuck on the NGMI of no improvement and shitty drawings

>>4799522
>I'm starting to think that some people are just built for drawing and people like me are dumbasses wasting their time attempting to struggle past limits we weren't meant to surpass.
This is definetly true to some extent. I mean if you're born mentally retarded you can't be a mathematician. If you don't have the ACTN3 protein you probably can't be an elite sprinter. According to this study I found figure drawing was as heritable as general intelligence at age 4, which is huge. If the heritability of drawing ability works like the heritability of intelligence, it would mean that by adulthood most of the variance in drawing ability between people can be explained by genes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4232264/

>>4800241
Cute monkey

>>4800217
Neck seems weird
Its too long and too narrow he looks like a giraffe
Also maybe it might be just me but it seems not to be conected with schoulders in any way. It just pops out of nowhere

Does anyone want to kind of dick around without goal? Cut yourself some slack? Share shitty art? You are welcome to add me on Discord.

ne9-k2b#2161

>>4800267
You are fooling no one you SCP monster

>>4800272
>SCP monster

What is that?

>>4799397
Some notes my friend

I'd like to see a full panel if you've got one

I like your old guy character he looks neat

>>4800250
I think this one is an improve already, it feels like it's coming forward because of the weight in the feet and hands

pic related I had a go but turned slightly - front-on gesture is difficult to capture.

The feel the form things mostly comes with practice sorry. I'd also suggest for a more academic approach doing some research into 'contraposto', it's a concept pretty closely related to gesture and has to do with shifting the shoulders and hips slightly to improve appeal.

Vilppu might help you (try video course thread) but personally I learned by just doing loads and figuring it out

>>4800106
Thanks. I was following along with a video. So I guess I just need to practice anatomy and value more.
https://youtu.be/zHqzrWkhIVg

I just want to draw cute girls and shit without going into too much detail, but hands are still a bitch, even with practice.

>>4800097
I've been there. Nuked my instagram and stopped posting here, I'd barely get any feedback anyway.

>>4799079
Might finish, might not. Depends on the feedback.

>>4800431
grind hands then and dont forget to draw wrists too so you know how to connect to the arm

>>4800896
mirin lines

drawing from reference, thoughts?

>>4800997
flat back, small feet, left leg too short? something looks off about the legs

>>4801015
I should've maybe posted the reference

>>4799067

>>4801038
proportions aren't right, but it could be a style

>>4799494
Are you european by any chance, possibly British?

>>4800292
other gesture anon here thank you that is so helpful to see an example like that step by step.

>>4801047
I struggle with proportions in anything other than standing straight and looking directly at the viewer. This is less recent but still relevant pic of mine.

>>4800221
thank you for the feed back ill post my act structure
>>4800282
you didnt need to go through all the effort for me but its greatly appreciated, im still teaching my self to draw so it will be some time before i actually start working on it but i plan to start at the end of this year. as for the "old guy" its a combat suite that the character on the right "susie q" will be placed in when she dies somewhere at the end of the 2a act.

>>4800292
I think i understand gesture drawing more now thanks to this example, it’s really good and dynamic. I think I’ll be working on it from now on as it looks better than carving one from the armature method Ive been using.

>>4800282
>>4800221
part 2

>>4800221
>>4800282
let me know if you cant read my garbage handwriting and ill type it out. thanks for showing your interest, ill post all my works in these beginner threads

>>4801057
you can draw circle heads following their body in perspective to keep track of proportion

>>4801024
ah, i see. well, the feet and legs were indeed too small in your drawing. And the leaning forward is a bit more pronounced in your reference.

>>4801089
ah you're right I can see it now, thank you

>>4799076
Tbh that's closest ive been to drawing something half decent
Me and that nigger are friends now

>>4801105
you need hamptom, loomis and bridgman to get out of /beg/ ez

>>4800241

>>4801105
You need to work on your figure drawing broski. I suggest Huston if you've finished Keys to drawing.

>>4801124
resized and adjusted contrast

Working on bodies poses.
I have the general idea of anatomy but somehow I end just turning left at the end.
Any advice or input?

>>4801151
Draw from reference. I you want to practice drawing from imagination pick a body part and draw it from as many angles as you can, first from reference, then from memory.

>>4801151
It's a sitting pose but image turned and now it looks like she is laying down. Perspectives are crazy.

>>4801151
>>4801157
Thanks.
Used this as a reference but maybe I should have used a person or other source.

Is there any legoman tut stream saved?

>>4801151
Them titties look silly
Right one is pulled down because gravity but left one goes up like its a helium balloon

>>4801171
Nevermind>>4801179
I tought that she was on her side

>>4799088
I am doing a hour a day since ~2016, and I still not don't consider my self ok.

>>4799707
you might be a little tiny bit completely retarded

>>4799707
yes!

>>4799088
twice as long it would take you if you studie for 3 hours a day

>Ignored again

>>4799088
what is "ok" for you?

>>4801246
draw coom next to get lots of (you)s

First attempt at a face. Looks kinda bad but hey, a start

>>4801274
1000th attempt at a face

Read Keys to Drawing

>>4801065
>>4801053
Glad I could help you both it's a tricky one to pick up

>>4801306
Those are some really clean lines, i can only chicken scratch

>>4801252
Well yeah I need help to even begin drawing coom properly

>>4801071
>>4801068
>>4801063
Feedback is no problem - it can be pretty demoralising working in a vacuum so I try to drop into the threads from time to time to help out

RIP Susie

Handwriting was fine. That was an interesting read, I'm a sucker for tragedy. The world building was integrated nicely into the story as well and I like that you focused mainly on a handful of core characters.

Goodluck with your story anon I hope to see it one day

is charcoal cheating? it's like it shades magically for you

>>4801135
This is cool

Placement of the far arm and leg are a little bit off. The far arm is also a little bit big.

I think you would benefit from varying the line weight in overlapping sections as well

>>4801344
I chicken scratch too. I just chicken scratch over the line I just made instead of in random directions.

>>4801360
If you think that its probably because you dont shade darkly enough. Common beg problem.

>>4801360
no cheating, only tools

>>4801384
i mean with charcoal i just spread the wide side and then blend, but with a pencil or pen i gotta make tons of lityle lines and shit to shade or be really careful

>>4801252
This looks so cute and I like the style

>>4801397
So is painting cheating as well? Its just a different medium bro.

Whadaya think?

>>4801414
Wearing wig is such a weird fetish.

>>4801344
hey yallll scott here

>>4801434
>his face is recognizable enough
Thanks anon, that made me happy

>>4800263
jeez, this is only day 7? nice anon

I'd say the sides of the nose are too dark, and unless you're going for more painted looking, style wise, i'd blend out your shadows a bit.

Complete beg here, first week of drawing, i been reading Loomis and trying to do what he does. What other thing should i study meanwhile?

Sorry about my bad english

>>4801252
I didn't expect this to be bougami fsr

>>4801369
youre right. i didnt know what i was going to draw so i just dicked around with cubes. but yea its fucked. the gorilla als has no chest. thanks for the suggestion. i can still play with line thickness. thats a good idea. its just a ball point pen.

>>4801520
not using hard round brush

>>4801414

well its blurry because of the resolution. not sure why you blew it up so much. on one hand i think you know how to draw because the face is pretty nice. on the other the forehead is about 27X bigger than it should be. i guess you were trying to foreshorten but your proportions are way off.

hi, I'm trying to create an artwork for a musical album but I don't know where to start. I suck at planning out the details

>>4801531
do collage, it's faster and easier to learn

>>4801488
nice digits

I was analyzing and trying to recreate how Michael Hampton draws the skull, and I KNOW I fucked up the brow ridge. But I can't see how I did and how to make it look better.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

>>4801488
>What other thing should i study meanwhile?
>dexterity
straight lines, circles, ellipse,etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVBsottz0eA
https://youtu.be/HjUv0Zv0T8o?t=377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1lleIBzn3A

>>4801570
There I think I fixed it somewhat

>>4801520
light reflects from non-matte surfaces so your sphere is very innaccurately done

20 pages of circles and ovals done, 10 and 10 my ovals are not so symmetrical and the ones that might be I don't dare to try and divide to see if it's true because my lines are sloppy, warm up done, takes a good while.
What should I do next? Drawing-Keys and then Drawabox, how many pages of the line exercises?
What can I do about my ovals?

>>4801520
Anon can you post your reference or is this from memory?

Never have the motivation if I'm focusing on fundies, but my faces are awful and usually look closer to monkeys.

What's the quickest approach to be less shit at faces? Do I really need to Loomis?

>>4801656
>Do I really need to Loomis?
yes wtf? just learn the method its so simple and nothing ground breaking but it gives you basic structure to the head and positioning of features, learn the planes after do marco buccis course understanding and painting the planes of the head

>>4800233
Please respond

help me

>>4801631
thx anon, can you explain me how its done ?
>>4801631
it was from memory but like the other anon say is very inaccurately done

>>4801688
unironically Loomis

>>4799072
trying to draw like John Grello for this one

>>4800233
>>4801687
I think that looks really good, anon. I couldn't possible draw like that in such short amount of time. Maybe some limbs get a bit too symmetrical or proportions go off a little, but they look nice and only thing you need to do imo is keep practicing. That's just me though, I hope someone who knows their shit shares their thoughts. You could try drawing the body in a more simplified fashion instead of worrying so much about contours, to focus on gesture and volumes, if you think you're not getting much out of your current approach. Not sure what else to say. Keep at it.

>>4801688
Nipples

>>4801643
ups the second one was mean to
>>4801701

>>4801701
ups
the second response was meant to >>4801643

>>4800263

Hi Im a noob drawer. Can someone help me figure out how to draw skulls? No matter what I try I cant get my proportions right. My lines all suck, idk what to do. this is my 40th attempt at drawing a skull.

>>4801792
>Can someone help me figure out how to draw skulls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Cn2osFwqE
>My lines all suck
>>4801608

Made this little drawing today. Like a logo or a sticker or something like that

>>4801802
Anon, 15 pages of lines right? 5 for each?
>>4801636

>>4801802
>>4801806
btw, my spheres are behaving like a filter right now, my ovals need real work
Loomis and keys today?

>>4801802
The skull on the thumbnail sucks. Bad sign. Don't watch

>>4801746
can you compile the heads youve made so far?

>>4801730
thats ok. its good to try from memory. its just an exercise. so now that you tried, go back and do it from ref again, and this time around, maybe youll notice something you missed and this time you'll remember it and next time you draw from memory itll be a little better. rinse and repeat.

>>4799941
Here you go

>>4801427
...wigs? It's just supposed to be her hair...
>>4801525
Yeah I fucked up the forshortening, it's easy to see now, but I couldn't tell while I was drawing it. How's this? It's still blurry cuz I drew it really small.

>>4801883
thx anon, i like that way of learning
I will absolutely take your advice

Where to get good references? flicker is trash, unsplash is too fake when it comes to people

Absolute /beg/ here (less than 3 weeks. Friend gave me his old wacom tablet to mess around with and I've been following guides like reading loomis, and practicing my fundies. I also practice drawing lines to develop muscle memory, but I have no idea how you build muscle memory. Pic related is my sample, a couple circles are Ok I think, but most of them are pretty bad, well no problem I'm starting out that's fine. The problem I have is I can't "feel" or "tell" the difference in my hand when I draw a good or bad circle, so how does doing this over and over again help me build muscle memory. I'm also doing vertical zebra strokes and s-curves. Anyone have any good resources that can explain this to me, or even give me some pointers?

>>4801930
Don't waste your time with circle and line grinding. You'll burn out.

Put the tablet away for now and draw on paper. You will develop faster without the digital crutches and you're less likely to be distracted.

Do Bargue plates.

1 week in and so far I feel I've improved, even if so slightly. Im starting to recognize shapes a bit more (especially in other peoples work) and am more easily able to keep an image focused in my mind.

>>4801827
Day one on left, day 8 on right.

thanks for the interest. Critique appreciated.

>>4801909
Move the hairline down and get rid of the visible nostril. You cant see nostrils at this angle.

>>4801928
Pinterest.

I was working on this sketch of a chaos terminator and I hate it so much I don't want to finish

I was working on this sketch of a chaos terminator and I hate it so much I don't want to finish

>>4801967
So are you modifying them based on critiques each day?

>>4801941
maybe not circle or line grinding but I want to do digital art, I only draw in my sketchbook during work commute. At what point can I start drawing on the tablet

I failed at this some minutes ago, first body I've drawn, why can't I shade? Why can't I shade like that guy that's a week in?
I want to try Keys again but last time I failed at it, it made me hurt

>>4801990
>>4799079
As usual I'm out of the space on the page, some distances I revisited only to fail again, like the one on the neck, the shapes are horrible and so are my lines, I was doing them too strong at the start out of being afraid, I expected to fail but not like this

People are going to ignore me again, I did my twenty pages already I know my issues with my ovals, I know I can't do spheres or shade, my shading looks gross I'm honestly bothered by it. Drawing faces and faces, some look decent to me but to others, everyone here ignores me, everyone here dislikes me, everyone here draws better than I do, it's unfair. Seeing the guy one week in bothered me, I was humilliated, called out and yet I draw and draw.

>>4801982
Yep. It's amazing what good critique can do. I've got 6 more days of portraits left.

I failed at drawing an animal days ago, I can't draw another animal until I'm better, I had to lock that grotesque and horrible drawing away, I couldn't even make out the mistakes, it was as if the drawing was calling me out. This was weeks ago, that guy a week in is shading much better than me, sure his paper is different but still, why can't I? A week in, a week in, last guy I managed to be better at things other than shading but this one is hard, of cvourse you're going to ignore me /beg/, it was the fault of the pulse demon, and yours for getting it to come out, now, people ignore me and I can't just post my drawings and change my writing style, no, they're so shit that others would still ignore them.

>>4801990
That guy is so much better than me, I can't take it, circles, ovals, lines, lines, they are hard but I still go on yet others are better than me from the start, their serves are better than my own, it's not fair.

>>4800226
thanks, haven't come to /ic/ in some time so I though posting on /beg/ would be a good start as there's no int and here you get more feedback
>>4801052
literally south american thus dying

>>4799265
It's difficult to critique these since it's just floating bits.

The nose isn't functional, and with top down lighting the shadows on the bottom would be more intense.

No clue what angle the middle one is at. It seems like a lower angel, then the nostrils would be longer since the bottom of your nose is like 85% nostril.

The eyes is good, value in the tear duct should be darker, and the iris is comparatively flat looking, as well as lacking the proper light values on the sclera.

>>4801979
Quit drawing, ngmi

>>4801611
Someone help me out please, I have no idea where to go from here
Any references or videos would be helpful too

>>4802010
how long have you been drawing for?

>>4801997
Improve at your own pace and stop comparing yourself to other people. My lines used to look similar to yours, but I started drawing bigger and started using a mechanical pencil. Drawing bigger helps to draw from the elbow and shoulder and the lines look a bit cleaner if you’re working with a finer tip. You can try mapping out the shadows next time so they don’t look so random.

>>4802002
Is this your art? It's bretty good but the neck angle is a bit off, you need to move his shoulders back a bit.

>>4802012
On and off for about 4 years, like very on and off.
Been going at it consistently every day since the beginning of this month though.
Looking mostly at Hampton and Huston for direction

>>4801967
you went from /beg/ to low int in the span of a week. how do you make these gains?

>>4801979
Try not being bad

can I get yelled at

>>4802014
Live or die, I’d rather take the latter route
Take the ladder route
Rope around my neck and kick the ladder out
There’s no need to drag it out
28 grams, gotta bag ‘em out
Standin' in the rain feelin' bad about
The mommas losin' jobs over the rocks
That I be passin' out in vast amounts
As fast as I can trash an ounce
The first to come, the last to bounce
Countin' benjies put the block into a frenzy
The Glock is my appendage I will pop you out the Bentley
Never catch a player actin' friendly
Talkin' to the devil like he sent me
Bitch!
Boy
>>4802016
oh that's fine then
>>4802017
>>4801967
IT'S CALLED BEING SPECIAL

How much time do you guys some d drawing a day?

How much time SHOULD I spend drawing a day. I watch tutorials but my drawing is sporadic and I don't have consistency. Sometimes I'll spend days drawing all day and other times I'll not draw for a week.

>>4802023
>posting a pic of makoto
>when I'm posting akechi
So you want to laugh at me? WHO ARE YOU? ARE YOU THE GUY WHO STARTED A WEEK AGO?

>>4802020
Her rib cage looks like a man’s and she has an Adam’s apple

>>4802024
>Makoto
I don't know who that is, the girl I drew in the pic is just abritrary shit I threw together as I was drawing.

>>4802023
Start by drawing everyday and try to make drawing a habit, then increase the time by small a small amount everyday or every week

>>4802031
So, even if it's just 30 min a day at fist. Then a week later and hour.

>>4802013
yOUR DRAWING, IT'S SUPERIOR TO MINE by A LARGE margiN
Not compare myself to others? PLEASE, THAT'S not how it goes, others compare themselves with you all the time, if you are not better than them you are seen as trash.
The world sees me as trash I have to be better than them, I try and try but others are so much better, you're better but unless you have like a week of drawing like this guy >>4802023
i WON't be bothered
what do i fail? is there something wrong with me? am i not special? is everyone but me special?

Thanks for your advice, anon, do you draw at an angle?

>>4802030
Based on the fact that he has a trip he's just being a general faggot, ignore him

>>4802013
ANON, this guy humilliated me, he called me trash without saying it
>>4797690
>>4797695

>>4802013
Impressive drawing, I'm amazed at the way you make those shadows work, truly the result of experience. I'm again completely humilliated.

>>4802023
At least 45 minutes of gesture/figure drawing and then do whatever you want. That's what I did for the first 3 months. Now I spend half of my waking hours trying to get myself to draw and half of the other half actually drawing, so maybe 2 or three hours? Don't be like me.

>>4801941
As an absolute beginner where and how would you start bargue plates?

>>4801979
Finish him anyway. No point in stopping when youre this far. Fix up some if the issues when you ink him. The pauldrons don't look bad aside from the weird angel on the right one.

>>4802034
You made the chrome demon come out when you clearly called me inferior here
>>4802014
I'll break down what you were saying
>Is this your art?
You know it's not mine, here you call me inferior trash that's not worth of art, how? By holding that drawing, a work that's not mine, as my work, reminding me of my actual skill level, of the fact that the guy a week in is better than me.

You give so many reasons
For the weakness you hide
But I know just how you live inside

>>4802039
not him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYk58W--w
go back to previous videos if you need to

I /beg/ for help but anons ignore me, they taunt me first and then ignore me, I'm just like Lucifer, stuck on hell.

Why is there an edglord getting upset in the general.

one week in, I'm thinking of ways I can do better than this, I want to do better than his drawing but I can't shade, if i try, just like Lucifer, I'll get shot down again, I can't seem to escape hell.

>>4802050
the lines here are in my opinion, mostly well placed, the detail is amazing, the product of being special.
The lines are not only representative but they tell you something, they have character, my lines are mechanical, cold, just like the last ring of hell that I've been placed in, the treacherous being, Morningstar. I hate you all.

>>4802054
Don’t worry anon, your chicken scratch is the opposite of mechanical :)

>>4802058
I have done no chicken scratching, mediocre hideous lines caused by being completely unsure? Yes, but it's all done from the shoulder.
Still, I loathe you, last time I tried to tell you how I would literally eat your neck I got banned so I'll avoid doing that.

>>4802017
Pick a subject, and draw it. Find somewhere you can get consistent critique.

Adjust it every day based on critique. Make sure you know the forms of your subject.

Don't fall for the hard round brush meme. Painting-wise I used a mix of an oil paint themed brush, a blending brushed, and an airbrush with blending enabled. There's no shame in using the tools available to you.

I use CSP, so I'm not sure of a PS equivalent, but don't be afraid to mess around with your brush settings and experiment. You're more likely to get good results if you like the brushes you use.

Did this one to practice watercolor (actually my very first time using it) but I fuck it all up. Glad I took a photo of the sketch before painting tho

>>4802050
This drawing taunts me to try and do better, but can I? I'm Lucifer, falling to earth without regrets.
I'm Lucifer, freezing and trapped, sealed away on the last ring.
>>4802058
Your hate is artificial, I'm again, more human than you.

Is it even possible to make this look interesting? I already got bored of it. I'm trying to practice realism by using a photo reference.
It needs contrast, but even then it feels boring.

>>4802050
I hate this drawing, I hate it's maker, it wants to humilliate me, it dares me to fail again, standing still, ready to laugh at me once I fail to fly again.
What if not all birds can fly?

Do i actually have to learn traditional if I just want to draw digital shit all day

>>4802050
I loathe this drawing, the week of work it represents, everything about it. I hate it, everyone here draws so much better than me, anything I post goes ignored, treated like the insult to art it is.
But I want to get better, better than anyone who makes me feel like this

>>4802050
When I did Keys to Drawing, my drawing was so inferior and I knew it, mechanical. but now, it is without doubt that I can feel like this

>>4801997
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>>4802078
Please take your meds

Am I being punished for something? an ethereal bad deed? Am I in Hell?
Someone makes a little mistake and then here I am, existing. Existing only to feel inferior to anyone else, everything I try others make bigger jumps, is there talent at work? do I have anything beyond existing?
I've tried and I've tried, tennis, track, poetry, cooking, bands, I tried and someone else won, where's my victory? One tiny mistake and I begin to exist, conciousness was a mistake for everyone.

>>4802100
The Endless Beg... Purgatorio

>>4802100
Stick to poetry

>>4802100
Wth is track

>>4802100
Do instagramm caption with your emo bullsheat

The Zone, when one is drawing or focused, sports too, one enters the zone, true focus not tainted by wordly concerns, focus is what it means to be alive, to dedicate yourself to something. I have never felt this, only the sheer crushing sensation of competition, no matter what I did, there's an eternal panic at being defeated within me, I chase this feeling but it doesn't want anything to do with me, I'm cursed and tainted, the only zone I'll get is death.

>>4802109
who would want to read what a soulless being has to say? is that the reason I can't seem to draw?

>>4802100
Learn to code

>>4802121
No, I want art

>>4799494
>heigh: 1.67
Damn what a manlet

>>4802072
Add some contrast, shift her shoulders back, and give it some interesting secondary lighting.

>>4802064
unironically this

also you should post your heads in the improvement thread.

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>>4802121
I ate my last drawing.
Now, how to shade like this >>4802050
I have begun an imitation, if I'm a demon, a treacherous being to be found only on the coldest places of hell, then so be it.

is it okay to do studies digitally as long as I don't ctrl+z?

>>4802132
I'm not going anywhere near that dumpster fire.

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>>4802109
GO AHEAD, I MUST SHADE LIKE THIS SO THAT ANON CAN'T TAUNT ME ANYMORE
SO NO ONE CAN
SO NO ONE WILL CALL ME TRASH

>>4802147
nigga what are you going on about

>>4802151
>>4802133
i HAVE BEGUN MY IMITATION
HE WANTS TO CALL ME INFERIOR, HE WANTS TO MOCK ME
NO YOU DONT GET TO DO THAT
I MUST COPY HIS DRAWING, A PERFECT COPY AFTER THAT I MUST IMPROVE SO I'LL WIN
I MUST SHOW HIM HOW BETTER I AM
NOW TELL ME HOW TO SHADE LIKE THIS

>>4802155
Pretty sure it’s charcoal or a charcoal pencil

shitty painting

>>4802165
ILL GET RESULTS WITH WHAT I HAVE I MUST HAVE RESULTS ILL GET RESULTS RESULTS ILL GET RESULTS ILL GET RESULTS RESULTS ONLY RESULTS PURE RESULTS PURE RESULTS RESULTS I WILL GET RESULTS I WILL HAVE THEM I WILL GET RESULTS ILL HAVE IT ILL HAVE THEM I HAVE TO WIN AND KEEP ON WINNING I HAVE TO WIN
>>4802166
LOOKS LIKE ME WHEN I GET RESULTS AND RESULTS I KEEP ON GETTING RESULTS RESULTS PURE RESULTS ONLY RESULTS TOTAL VICTORY WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN I HAVE TO WIN ONLY I CAN I WIN I HAVE TO WIN I MUST WIN I MUST SHOW YOU AND YOU AND EVERYONE AND YOU >>4802165
AND YOU >>4802151
YOU DIDNT BELIEVE IN ME RESULTS RESULTS ONLY RESULTS
NUMBER 1 IS HALFWAY DONE THOSE RESULTS ARE GOING TO SHOW UP
ONE OR TWO ATTEMPTS, THREE OR MORE RESULTS I WILL HAVE RESULTS
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO TAUNT ME, HUMILLIATE ME I HAVE TO WIN ILL WIN WE MUST WIN I MUST WIN WIN WIN WIN

>tfw im so bad I didn't even trigger the schizo
Seems im only creative when it comes to new ways of failing

>>4802072
BBBEEEEEEEEEEAAAATOOOOOOORRRRREEEEEECHIIIII

>>4799212
LOOKS LIKE ME WHEN I GET RESULTS THE BEST RESULTS ONLY RESULTS AND RESULTS I GET THOSE RESULTS I WILL HAVE RESULTS
>>4802179
>>4802072
RESULTS ANON RESULTS PURE RESULTS ONLY RESULTS RESULTS AND MORE RESULTS ONLY RESULTS AND MORE RESULTS RESULTS RESULTS WE KEEP ON GETTING RESULTS AND MORE RESULTS

>>4801339
I tried again after work today... but fuck i dont think Im getting it still. when i try to "feel" the motion i end up drawing very wide curves most of the time, but examples always have at least the contours of a body shape, but then I focus on the form again because of that, and before I know it 90 seconds is up. fuuuck this is hard.

>>4802166
Another shitty painting

>>4802184
I know Im doing it wrong i just dont know.... WHAT I'm doing wrong, you know?

wait what the fuck is going on in this thread what the fuck?

>>4802186
And the last one

>>4802050
bro are you seriously bugging over shitty mishapen /beg/ eyes? Relax man what the fuck. I think the wide open eye is just triggering an emotion in you and if you look at it objectively you'll realize it isn't actually a good drawing.

>>4802193
IT'S NOT PERFECT BUT IT'S TAKING SHAPE YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES I HAVE TO WIN
IM USING DIFFERENT TOOLS BUT THIS FIRST VERSION IS TAKING SHAPE
PEOPLE HERE WILL HAVE TO PRAISE ME I NEED PRAISE I NEED TO SHOW PEOPLE I CAN BE BETTER
PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE RESULTS AND MORE RESULTS
SOMEONE ELSE PRAISED THEM WHY NOT PRAISE ME? I HAVE TO GET PRAISE, I HAVE TO AND ONCE I HAVE IT I WIN
THE RESULTS WILL LEAD TO ME BEING PRAISED

Can anyone refer to me a good coloring tutorial on Sai? I was struggling to fill it with color without white appearing around the lines.

>>4802193
READ THIS POST
>>4798454
>>4798454
>>4798454
>>4798454

I'M NOT A SHITPOSTER
AND HE PRAISED THE OTHER GUY, HE'LL HAVE TO PRAISE ME

>>4802014
>>4802058
you WILL HAVE TO PRAISE ME LIKE YOU DID WITH THE OTHER ANON, YOU TWO WILL PRAISE ME
RESULTS WHEN I GET THE RESULTS FROM THIS ONE
ITS NOT THE SAME MATERIALS BUT IT SHOULD WORK
YOU SHOULD PRAISE ME BY THEN
HE DOESNT DESERVE TO BE PRAISED BY OTHERS I DO
BUT I WAS LACKING, STILL AM
BUT I HAVE TO GET RESULTS AND RESULTS
AND YOU WILL PRAISE ME

>>4802203
you really sound like you need a hug man

I WILL SHOW THAT ANON THAT HE CAN SHOVE HIS FUCKING WEEK UP HIS ASS
>A WEEK OF STUDYING YET I AM BETTER THAN YOU
YOU WERE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT, IF YOU ARE SO GREAT YOU FUCKING MORON HOW COME YOUR DRAWING IS EASY TO REPLICATE, EVEN IF THE COPY IS NOT PERFECT, THE TOOLS ARE NOT THE SAME (IF THEY WERE I WOULD TRULY BE ABLE TO MAKE A COPY) YOUR DRAWING IS EASY TO READ, I KNOW IT INSIDE AND OUT INSIDE AND OUT
SO DONT YOU DARE TRY TO MOCK ME, YOU ARE NO ONE NO ONE, I HAVE TO DEFEAT YOU

COME OUT AND DEFEND YOUR DRAWING
OR SHOULD I SAY OUR DRAWING, I KNOW IT INSIDE AND OUT, I KNOW IT ALL I KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING LEADS I FIGURED OUT YOUR DRAWING
ITS A FUCKING /BEG/ DRAWING JUST LIKE ME
COME ON
SHOW ME YOUR WEEK
AND SHOW ME ALL YOUR PRAISE
I NEED TO SEE IT
I KNOW YOUR DRAWINGS INSIDE AND OUT
, SHOW ME MORE COME ON OUT AND DEFEND YOUR DRAWING

For my theme song BLACK
My leather black jeans on BLACK
My by-any-means on
Pardon, I'm getting my scream on BLACK

>>4802216
bruh who tf are you talking to

>>4802220
So follow me up cause this shit 'bout to go DOWN
I'm doing 500, I'm outta control NOW
But there's nowhere to go NOW
And there's no way to slow DOWN
If I knew what I knew in the past
I would've been blacked out on your ass

>>4802220
Shh, you’re interrupting his performance

>>4802216
are you... are you yelling about my crappy eye drawings? Would it make you feel better if I just told you you're a better artist than me? I literally don't know what I'm doing and I don't think I'm special dude, calm down. See? I can't even shade with a mechanical pencil.

Relax. you're ok. Why are you freaking out? you don't need the all caps. you aren't in danger. the fuck dude?

Okay, not so much /beg/ as starting over / refining my fundamentals, but:
1) Was my former understanding, anatomical breakdown method, waist towards center of torso.
2) Recently told female waist should start higher up, practically under ribcage.

Noticing more feminine appeal, but is it accurate?

>>4802224
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>>4802225
For my theme song BLACK
My leather black jeans on BLACK
My by-any-means on
Pardon, I'm getting my scream on BLACK
Enter the kingdom BLACK
But watch who you bring home
They see a black man with a white woman
At the top floor they gone come to kill King Kong
Middle America packed in BLACK
Came to see me in my black skin BLACK
Number one question they're askin'
Fuck every question you askin' BLACK
If I don't get ran out by Catholics BLACK
Here come some conservative Baptists
Claiming I'm overreactin'
Like them black kids in Chiraq, bitch
>>4802225
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>4802225
MORE DRAWINGS FOR ME? THANK YOU HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>4802225
IT'S ENOUGH FOR YOU TO SAY IT, YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, HERE YOU COME AGAIN TRYING TO CALL ME TRASH
ALL YOUR DRAWINGS I'LL FIRST REPLICATE THEN DO BETTER

>>4802227
1 is more accurate, but it can vary quite a bit. The pelvis in the second one looks ridiculous though.

>>4802230
can you please stop bullying me i just want to learn how to draw

>>4802233
PRAISE HIM COME ON DO IT I KNOW YOU WANT TO PRAISE HIM PRAISE HIM PLEASE GO ON AND DO IT PRAISE HIM

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>>4802187
Might I suggest ditching the timer? Spend as long as you need to get a result you like and then reintroduce the timer when you're more confident. It's unreasonable to assume you'll be able to pump something high-quality out in literally 90 seconds if you're still learning senpai

In general, accuracy comes before speed

>>4802230
pyw

>>4802234
TRYING TO GET THE SYMPATHY OF EVERYONE ELSE
YOU KNOW YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME RIGHT NOW, I'LL IMPROVE AND I'LL SHOW YOU

>>4802198
I'd say avoid bucket filling in sai. Make an new layer and set the lineart to multiply, put lineart over color layer, color on the color layer.

I'd also recommend desaturating the umbrella, the value is a bit too much and makes the hair + umbrella kinda blend together visually.

BLKKK SKKKNHEAD

>>4802225
>>4802234
KEEP THAT BULLSHIT TO YOURSELF
COME ON, HOW OLD ARE YOU? PLEASE DO SHOW ME MORE OF YOUR STUFF I ALREADY TOLD YOU
REPLICATION AND THEN I'LL TRY TO DO BETTER

>>4802245
>>4802245
I was selecting the areas around what I wanted to color and then inverting it. And then filling it up on a new layer.

>>4802235
>>4802233
No, I know it's a shit drawing. Only took like 10 seconds. I'm just trying to break some of the harder illustration fundis for a more cartoony look for animation. But damn it's hard to deprogram old habits/shorthand techniques into something new.
.

>>4802238
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>>4801990
The local schizo has a pretty recognizable style

>>4802234
Hey dude sorry that other anon is sperging YGMI ignore them

>>4802254
THAT'S A HORRIBLE DRAWING, USE THE ONE ON THE LAST THREAD
NOOOOOOOO HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH HERE COMES THE TRASH TALKING
>>4802234
you know what, I'm sorry, honestly
I overreacted, I shouldn't have done that, excuse my BPD

>>4802257
You should take your meds you autistic freak

>>4802234
I never meant to do this, I swear, I'll try very hard for it not to happen again but this is where I will place a limit, I love drawing, I know I'm shit right now but I really want to get better, I shouldn't have done that, all that shitposting, it's not the real me, anon, I'm really sorry. It's not my fault, not completely, other anons are to blame you have to understand, I never meant for this to happen but they started insulting me

>>4802236
Thank you so much. being under the gun made it so that im eyeballing the reference gesture and then completely overshoot my lines blindly. Maybe i should take a step back and let myself be more deliberate.

>>4802250
I can't post more of my stuff because that's it. that's all I've drawn because I'm completely new.

>>4802234
These anons are now trying to make yourself hostile against me, don't you dare do such a thing, you have to understand, i'm not to blame.
First they ignore me because I tend to defend myself when I'm insulted, just 4chan things you know the usual.
completely new? huh, interesting, again.
Very interesting

>>4802265
**trying to make you hostile
my bad, phoneposting

I apologize to this lovely thread, as long as we are aware that it's not all my fault, I'm willing to take a good chunk of it, like half
This is all due to people ignoring me, due to them hating me and insulting me, I never meant to become a schizo on here, in fact I'm not a schizo, don't make me repeat myself.

Now it's a good time to put the past behind us
>>4802254
oh that drawing, unfortunate really, first time drawing a body so I was pretty nervous, I should work on bigger stuff too

i did this plush toy a few days ago when i was first studying the "rough perspective" exercise on drawabox... but the perspective seems really mangled. The rough perspective homework wiyh the redlining really shows how badly my eyes have been lol

>>4802263
Don't worry anon, in fact take that I've done something based on your drawing as a compliment, I really enjoy your work and as such I shouldn't place stress on you.

>>4802276
reference piggy

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>>4802250
It would appear that you forgot to answer my question haha, although I couldn't help but notice you mentioned work and our last exchange should place you around mid to late 20s, male.

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>>4802281
Ah so that was you, I knew the materials were similar, quite the interesting materials lying around.

>>4802273
Honestly, your drawings are not as bad as you make them out to be. The proportion on the torso is pretty good, but your lines need a bit practice. Draw a box has pretty good exercises for building line confidence, you should check that out. If you keep ignoring the crabs and stop comparing yourself to others you will improve faster.

So now I know, anon is older and has some materials I haven't bothered to get, older is relevant since it means he is more likely to place importance on time, and engineer would mean that I hope, he's very methodical on his practice, so there's no reason for me to feel bad. Out of a pokemon toy and his way of writing I get some ideas but nothing concrete, this is all smoke mirrors, haha.
Lovely
>>4802284
This was another one >>4797559, it's not good but meh, it's something
Are you being honest anon? I would hope so, I feel my drawings are very lackluster and don't show that potential others see in some anons here.
I have been somewhat unfocused in the past yes

>>4802286
in case you're wondering, the materials I'm using are compact charcoal and newsprint. have you tried it?

>Need critique
>The schizo takes over the thread with performance art and my post gets ignored

>>4802227
1 is more accurate but thigh gap overrides.

>>4802291
Even without a schizo I usually get ignored, its fine, just try again tomorrow

>>4802291
Which one's yours? I'm pretty beg too but I'm certainly not schizo

>>4802291
My bad anon
>>4802287
Cool, thanks

new thread >>4802310

new thread >>4802310

new thread >>4802310

new thread >>4802310

Alright everyone, here's your yous

>>4799188
Missing the back of his head. Ear is spaghetti. Face looks pretty good but the mouth is a but of a cop out. What's your goal?

>>4799258
Not bad but torso is a bit too small - would be alright if everything else was thin but it looks mismatched to the rest of the figure. Legs are a bit too long which is a pretty common thing for aesthetics but in this case highlights that you're not confident with the anatomy down there.

>>4799296
Most of these are good. Be really careful with the extreme angles, these ones seem to be where you miss the mark - the corners often seem to shrink in instead of stretching like they should.

>>4799352
Do you post on /DAD/? You might enjoy it.

Lots of symbols in here and you are missing a brow. Ear should extend to the bottomof the nose roughly, it is too small. Hair tends to have some form, especially when pulled back like that, so you might benefit from exaggerating the form and bulking it out from the flat line of the scalp.

>>4799355
I'm pretty sure this is bait? If it's not please tell me and I'll give you a crit. Please don't be offended.

>>4799363
Looks pretty good to me friend. I'd suggest working on your line economy a bit. There is a degree of rotation that I'm not sure is intentional but skews the perspective. The traps come up too high on the neck also.

>>4799373
These are nice. Don't be afraid to push dark values and make your people lumpy. Guy on the left is missing his far cheek, one of the right is missing an ear, all three seem to be somewhat diminished around the jowl. If I were to give you one area for improvement, it would probably be contour/silhouette to improve accuracy to your refs.

(1/?)

>>4802433

(2/?)

>>4799386
>>4799381
Values make it hard to read - I had to move into photoshop to be able to read any details. Torso anatomy is good, if a bit extreme, but hands and feet both need work. Horns don't appear to connect to the head. The detail on the pants leave something to be desired compared to the rest of the piece, seems like a rush job. Overall pretty cool though.

>>4799444
Tracing is okay but you need to be more conscious of what you're doing - there are some very clear inaccuracies here that should exist if you're literally drawing on top of something else. If you're going to trace, I'd recommend real humans and not this specific model as it's not anatomically accurate.

>>4799447
Hello Sad, I'm dad. This looks pretty good, some of your hatching is nice (the fold in the undershirt particularly stands out). Why are you sad?

>>4799471
Top starts excellently but lower down the shadow feels inconsistent. Don't be afraid to push your cast shadows and introduce another value by hatching or something similar.

>>4799494
This is very good but a few comments: head doesn't seem to align with the rest of the image, this is most glaring on the helmet which tipped me off the the rest of it. Eye on the left is both slightly too large and slightly too high. Lower half of the body also seems slightly misaligned. Perspective in general is just a bit off in a few areas once you really look closely. It's a bit strange that most elements are painty and then the lighter areas seem to reintroduce lines. There also aren't a lot of areas of rest in the art, it's very overwhelming to look at.

I mean this is a nice way but is this photobashed? Feng Zu did a video a while back that might help you cover the seams if this is the case. Otherwise I'm very sorry. Overall very cool though.

>>4802435

(3/?)

>>4799509
Ninja man spooked. He's missing a bit of mass off the top of his head. The chin seems like an odd choice but I can see that it's deliberate because the constructions seem to be in approximately correct area. Eyes are almost there but the shape is a little off and the pupils appear to be facing different directions.

>>4799571
It's okay to not know. If you're really struggling with it, pick something before you start. Personally I am a big fan of doodling until I work it out but in general my art's better if I think about it first.

>>4799607
Either works and ideally you should be able to do both. I'd argue that rebuilding the form is more difficult (but more beneficial) than 2d copying but they both have their place in learning to draw.

>>4799753
>>4799761
Pics?

>>4799822
Draw what you like and use books to help you. You don't know what you don't know until you know.

>>4799901
The painting is there but I think you need to dial it back and work more in the sketch phase - Think of forms, anatomy and contours before you start painting.

>>4799989
I often look confused by my sketchbook. Try to connect up your lines - the anatomy also needs some work. Perspective is actually alright though good work.

>>4800113
Keep going - you're almost there. It's hard to get into the habit of finishing things and it's nice to have something to look back on in the future. If you're not enjoying it though, just drop it and move on.

>>4800217
Clavicle is a bit high and kind of symbolly. The neck doesn't really taper out like that, the lines sort of merge with the traps and disappear. The way you outlined the nose makes it look like it's pointing off to the right. Chest seems like an afterthough and you would probably start to see the tapering off of the pecs before the end of the image. Lines are very nice though and the rendering on the face is good too.

>>4802436

(4/?)

>>4800261
This is cool. Only real comment is that the highlights over the lines are a bit intense and distracting and the head seems a little bit disjointed from the neck.

>>4800267
Pretty neat but can't comment on the accuracy because I'm not familiar with the subject. The elements you adapted from human anatomy flow nicely but the legs might benefit from more attention, and the neck could connect nicer to the head.

>>4800431
Pretty cute. Body seems a little to thin and the anatomy could use some work, particularly where parts connect - neck/shoulders/elbows/knees. Agree with the other anon - practice hands and once you've got the hang of it, it's hard to forget. You might even enjoy it.

>>4800896
Lines are very nice. Head is a bit uncanny - the chin doesn't line up with everything else, or the sketch line placement is a bit off. Not sure what's happening below the knees but I admire the construction. Anatomy is mostly pretty good but the pecs are in three 'strands' one of which inserts closer to the bicep, which might help connect the torso to the arms.

>>4800997
Pretty cute. It might come from the ref, but the far leg doesn't connect very well and the front leg is a noodle. The foot also is out of perspective. Back has a weird break in flow and anatomically doesn't connect very well with the frontmost arm.

Just saw the ref - in your drawing you might be able to minimise some of these issues by incorporating shadow or contours to guide the form.

>>4801038
The perspective is very good but the simplified model you're using for the body is inaccurate and bring you down. Check out loomis (unironically) or proko's robo skelly.

>>4801057
Not bad but the rendering seems uninformed and a bit random. What you're doing here is called 'pillow shading' and should be avoided and it takes away from the depth and perspective. Background would be fine as a solid colour, right now it doesn't match with the character and seems like it's floating.

>>4802437

(5/?)

>>4801151
Assuming this should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise.
Overall, pretty good. There's some chicken scratching that is bringing you down a bit and leaving the head off hurt the drawing as well - you don't have to draw the head but you should close of your lines to show the form. I think this is probably a product of your ref image - it's very loose and not one I'd recommend to study from. That said it is cool and I can see why you picked it.

>>4801274
Cute
Good luck on the next 10,000

>>4801306
These are very nice but the perspective on the one on the right as a bit weird - I think this probably comes from the large eye on the left. Still very good.

>>4801344
this is cute but the lines are very indecisive. Perspective on top right is very nice. Hat on the lower left is a bit too big. The likeness on the top two is very consistent but the bottom one looks like a different person.

>>4801360
Charcoal's fine, it's kind of the same as a really dark, really soft, graphite pencil. Use what you like, there are no rules, just tools.

>>4801414
This is cute. I'd like to see it rendered.

>>4801488
Study what you like to draw - if you're not sure gestures, figures, perspective and construction are all good topics to dive in to.

>>4801520
Good start but the cast shadow should be more extreme: cast shadow is a 2d projection of the shape calculated from where the light hits the edges of the shape. You are also missing a core shadow (dark line between the dark and light), bounce light (surface bouncing some light back on to the bottom of the shape) and a highlight. Proko has a good video about this in his basics playlist

>>4801611
Chin and the angle of the jaw imply a slight turn to the left (our right), which isn't reflected in the details on top.The overall shape of the head and the details are good but together they don't quite line up.

>>4802439

(6/?)

>>4801636
Is that your drawing? Don't want to crit if it's not and sus based on file name.

Drawabox is prescriptive, if you follow the instructions it will tell you exactly how much to do. Don't skip the challenges, they really hammer in the concepts.

Keys is good, I would recommend practicing until you get it, then move on. If you struggle with the next thing, go back.

>>4801656
Loomis is very good however Proko has shortened the content into a video that is significantly less boring. Give that a go and see how you do. You may need to work on the slower pace of the books. Fun with a pencil less important than head and hands if you are really desperate to avoid.

>>4801716
Not bad. I think if you rendered the shadows you could remove some of the extra lines which are taking away a bit from the image.

>>4801745
Arm needs some TLC. Face is relying on symbols rather than forms. Breast is inaccurate. The shape of the head is good and the facial proportions are also nice. Is this Meg Griffin minus the hat?

>>4801746
This is looking good, the improvement is very noticeable. I think you would benefit from refining the neck or cleaning up the cut off so it looks more deliberate and less like an afterthough.

>>4801805
No complaints. This is nice, the lines are clean and the perspective is pretty good.

>>4801792
Skulls are complicated objects. Try working closely from a reference. Alternatively, I would recommend a construction method like loomis first and then superimposing a skull on top/inside.

Taking a break now I've been here for a long time and now the thread is retired. Sorry if anyone was skipped it's not a diss.

>>4800985
>>4802437
Oh I've tried, I'm just terrible at it. Gotta keep up the work.

>>4802433
> If I were to give you one area for improvement, it would probably be contour/silhouette to improve accuracy to your refs

Thank you, anon, I'll look into some exercises to practice this

>>4799088
it will take you 10-12 years if you buy into the 10,000 rule. if you want to half that up it to 5-6 hours a day 3 studying 3 doodling or finishing drawings/paintings

>>4801836
hands?

How do I learn form?