/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>recommended
>xp pen

>>4762043
Ignore Chang's thread.

Move to the real thread: >>4761887

>>4762043
>>4762054
pyw

>>4761951
This thread is legitimate.
Fuck the shill tourist, he literally doesn't even have a tablet of his own.

I love my Deco Pro BTW.

>>4762099
I bought one last year and was quite impressed with it. My only real gripe is a personal one, that is that I prefer the nibs to have a bit of more spring to them. I have it as a backup currently, or maybe use it downstairs if I set up in the basement since its so fucking hot here right now

>>4761951
>XP Pen artist 15.6 pro for price/performance value
>Huion Inspiroy H1161

Look at this picture, Insporoy has the old pen because the nibs on the picture are the old style of nibs. Newer thin nibs mean there's a new better pressure sensor. New sensor just wobbles sideways much less.

Both Huion and Xp-Pen are offshoots of Ugee and it seems to me that Ugee-overlords give XP-Pen the better screenless tablets, while Huion get the better screen tablets.
If you take a look at the screenless Deco are just fucking buiolt better, they all have the new sexy pens, they have metal body and physical rotating dial instead of a touch strip.
But if you compare Kamvas and Artist it seems that Kamvas pro are superior. Kamvas pro all have laminated, etched glass and the premium option with a pro-tier AdobeRGB panel.

>>4762156
>>4762156

If you're paranoid about china and shit you might actually try and get an old used cintiq. They are going to work, but they are fucking old, the standards of quality went way up in the last decade.

If you want a new tablet AVOID Cintiq-non pro, they are neutered, cut down, inconvenient by design minimally viable products.

Take a look at the Kamvas pro 20 and 24, not 22 though, 22 is too big for 1080p while 24 is just right for 1440p.
Kamvas offer a laminated chemically etched glass with better colors than an old cintiq. Wacom only offer that in their new Cintiq Pro model line, except it costs over 2000$

>>4761951
>recommends the Galaxy Tab S6 Lite but not a used iPad Pro
Bruh

>>4762204
>used
Hmmm cum crusts.
Not everybody buys other people's trash and S6 lite might even be cheaper than a used iPad.

>>4762204
Used products are fine for many people but theyre somewhat of a random variable

>>4761951
op you forgot to put ipad in there, considering the s6 is present

>>4761951
Can I use One By Wacom with Photoshop?
(not to be confused with Wacom One)

I'm so goddammit sick of using a screenless tablet but I'm a poorfag

>>4762690
yeah

>>4762696
You'll get redpilled when you get a screenfull and it's not any better.

The problem is you and not the tool.

>>4762853
But like, I know it'll feel better looking at my hands since--j-j-just suck my dick swallow a cumpill f-f-fag

>>4762868
You can return it within a generous timeframe anyway

anyone have that wojak where he has a bunch of expensive art shit and can only draw a stick figure

>>4764119

no, but does this help?

>>4764119
this one?

>>4764119
should be this one

>>4764472
Hey that's me! How did you get a picture of me?!

>>4761951

I'm new at digital drawing and I was wondering if this tablet was alright for a beginner?

>>4767676
Nice try, chinese idiot. It's obvious you bumped your thread on page 10.

You're obviously hoping this will be the next thread after failing the first time, but it won't.

>>4767676
I have no experience with that one so I cant really say. If its the only one available to you then keep an eye out for the user reviews.
>>4767739
your work, post it

>>4761951
>>Budge
$400-800 depends on if there's something worth saving for. Between Xp pen, Wacom and Huion who could give me the most features fir my buck?
>>Location
Us
>>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
See, I've had good experience with a Huion screenless tablet (h610pro), but I wanted to try my hand at a display tablet, but I was too poor to buy anything until recently.
>>Size (in inches)
254mm x 158mm drawing area, at the very least, since that was what my h610pro had, but also because my hands are huge and clumsy
>>Other information
As drawing displays goes, I was wondering which one supports those vesa desktop arms? I never got around to using one with my old tablet, but drawing in my lap or on the desk was always a pain in the ass
>>Previous equipment
h610pro not that particular about brand, so long as I can purchase a warranty or just resell it for something better down the road
>>If you have any, state your preferences regarding surface texture (paper emulation, smooth etc)
Dunno anything about that kinda stuff, since my old PC and tablet died before I could really experiment with digital art.

Sorry if this was a lot, just trying to get as much info before buying a new drawing tablet.

>>4768432

With that price range, XP Pen artist 15.6 pro or the Kamvas Pro 16 would be the best bet. I don't know anything about Ergotronic arms, but I'm sure both of those displays tablets come with stands.

>>4761951
my budget is $300-$400 what should i get?

>>4768432
I have XpPens 24Pro and its mountable as is the 22 pro but the 15.6 versions arent.

>>4769523
A job

>>4769941
>I have XpPens 24Pro and its mountable as is the 22 pro but the 15.6 versions arent.

Really? Cool. I'll save up for a bigger display tablet then.

>>4769407
>I don't know anything about Ergotronic arms, but I'm sure both of those displays tablets come with stands.

With my already horrendous posture, it's probably better to just get a mountable tablet, even if it's bigger. If I can't find anything before going back to work, I may end up getting a XP Pen artist 15.6 or Kamvas Pro 16 just to practice with, if I can find an old used Wacom tablet in that size range on Ebay/Amazon.

>>4769523
>my budget is $300-$400 what should i get?
That's about how much I paid for my screenless tablet. It should be a hell of a lot cheaper, but that depends on if you want display tablet to draw directly on or a screenless tablet for indirect drawing coupled with your monitor. What kind of tablet are you interested in?

>>4769982
>What kind of tablet are you interested in?

a display tablet

Is there any way to use custom shortcut keys (or any keyboard shortcuts at all) on ipad/android tablets? Gesture commands are cool but desu it doesn't look as versatile to me

>>4770308
AFAIK krita is basically the pc version on android so you can use keyboard.
https://youtu.be/L_9fKrhnJpo

What's /ic/'s opinion of 10" display tablet? I've only learned now that they existed after finding one for sale for like 170 american burgers (apparently they're not selling these stuffs anymore nowadays)

>Inb4 just save up for a samsung/iPad/etc

Stop posting in chinkshill's thread you retards.

Real thread: >>4761887

>>4769982
The hell kind of screenless tablet cost you $400?

>>4770380
Small tablets are trash. 16 inch is the bare minimum.

>>4770380
Discount tablets are always going to have annoying downsides. If you only want to sketch/lineart, then itd work fine if you got used to the size. But the colour accuracy will be dogshit, so youll have to always bring it across to your main display to see what it actually looks like before moving it back on your tablet to fix it.

>>4770548
Intuos Pro

anyone know if the xp-pen deco pro has ever gone on sale on the xp pen website?
and if so, for how much?
is 10% off a shitty sale?

>>4762690
tsk missed an opportunity there wacom

>program keeps doing that thing again

Just bought Huion's Kamvas Pro 13, hoping my copy of CSP works well with it

>>4771998
Let me know how it is. I bought a kamvas pro 16 a couple days ago. Amazon reviews were good, but faggots in the last thread had me skeptical.

Just got a wacom intuos small, does the stylus need to ever recharge? It has buttons so I assume it uses electricity???

>>4772123
Nah, rechargeable stylus just isn't wacom thing

>>4772135
So how does it work?

>>4772138
Magnets
No that's literally how it works

>>4772144
Amazing what about the buttons?

>>4772080
I was almost about to buy the 16, but I didn't feel like an extra 3 inches of screen was worth the extra 100+ dollars.
I get mine tomorrow

>>4772162
black magic

>>4772666
Oh sweet, I get mine tomorrow too. I live on the east coast and apparently it had to go through a San Francisco distribution center. Hopefully it didn't get damaged going halfway across the world. Kek.

Huion Kamvas Pro 16 vs XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro

Whats anon's choice?

What the FUUUCCC KK is going on?!? I need this shit like yesterday!

>>4772743
>he fell for the huion meme
don't say we didn't warn you, faggotron

>>4772719
Hmmmm.
I just checked the website and the differnce is:
Artist 15.6 Pro - Laminated glass, new sexy pen that feels nice, but not etched glass, just a screen protector film

Kamvas 16 - laminated and etched glass, but the pen is old and meh. These pens, they work, they might even be really easy to control due to long nib travel, BUT the fucking nib wobbles sideways and it just feels stupid. Doesn't really affect performance, I used such pens for years, but you can feel it, and it's stupid.

Kamvas Pro 16 Premium - same, plus an actually good display panel. It looks really entising and would be a perfect choice if it had the new sexy pen, but it doesnt. It uses the old pen.

So it's a choice between etched glass and sexy pen. I have no idea, what's more important for you, I would probbly get the kamvas. Or no, I;m confused too.

I personally don't know if you can use the new Huion Pen on older Huion Products. It works with Xp-Pen and the pens are cross-compatible, but I don't know about huion,

>>4772748
But I heard this is an Amazon problem?

>>4762868
>>4764115
I tried the non-vesa mount 24hd cintiq. Returned it after 48 hours and hurting my neck leaning down instead of looking straight ahead with tablet in my lap.

>>4772743
you'll know what >>4772748
meant in a few years of using huion

>>4772834
I’ve been using one for 5 years and it’s been pretty great. Without it I’m devastated, feels like someone chopped my arm off

But I’m getting a new one because just the goddamn pen broke and they don’t manufacture them anymore

>>4772858
>But I’m getting a new one because just the goddamn pen broke and they don’t manufacture them anymore
Exactly

So any anons with double monitors? Where do you usually place your drawing tablets?

I used to draw on a PC but it died and now I'm using a notebook, I decided to use the PC monitor as a second monitor, but now I'm having some trouble if I should put the tablet parallel to the notebook or to the 2nd monitor or kind of titled, the tablet is a simple model something like a wacom intuos ctl4100.

>>4772887
you can always put on your lap if it's a problem of lack of space

>>4772887
Depends on which screen are you're gonna run your drawing program on

>>4772894
I think I have a enough space on my desk but it just feels uncomfortable so far.

>>4772899
Similar situation to this one, I'm drawing on the second screen because it has a higher resolution and better colors. The lines are like the angles of the monitors right now, I'm fine when using just the notebook screen, but I really wanted to draw on the computer screen.

>>4772719
They're pretty much the same thing, personally I'd pick kamvas 16 by the virtue of having better stand, but desu both stands are pretty shit and it's something that has 3rd party options to pick from, so it doesn't matter really

>>4772915
put your tablet in front of the second screen and use the notebook just to search for references

>>4772940
Would you put the tablet paralel to the monitor angle or just in a straight line?

>>4772703
Nice!
I sprung for a screened one after getting rid of my screenless Huion because I couldn't be fucked to learn how to draw without looking at what I'm drawing on so I could get basic work done.

>>4772878
Not him but 5 years is still a very good run considering the price.
I'm sure you can buy pens from a 3rd party website but if it's been 5 years he was due for an uprgrade anyway

>>4772955
like this, notebook to the side at an angle facing you

>>4773330
expecting upgrades every 5 years, you all fucking brainwashed

>>4773336
Thats a 16th of an entire human lifespan.

>>4773336
Technology is only evolving faster, I'm not saying become a consoomer but when it comes to functional tech like a drawing tablet upgrading every 5 years seems perfectly reasonable.

>>4773339
that's 16 times every fucking object using electric components in your house, no thanks. there are things built to last, just find one to last a life time, drawing tablet is one of them

>>4773346
dumbass, if an 80 dollar tablet lasts you for 5 years, its still more valuable than a 300 dollar tablet that lasts for 15.

>>4773346
>>4773360
and thats not to mention the tech upgrades over the years that you will only benefit from if you buy newer models.

>>4773362
what tech upgrade there is from intuos 3 that i couldn't do my work in 2020 with other tablets?

>>4773360
you can buy one used you know will last longer than any chin ling you buy nowadays

>>4773367
I wouldnt hold your breath. Modern tablets with batteryless pens arent going to ever break on their own accord if you treat it how you ought to.

>BUT THIS ONE GUY HAD A BROKEN PEN

yeah and the infidel probably dropped it one too many times.

Is the Cintiq 13HD still worth getting?

>>4773463
Absolutely not the 3-in-1 connector is a fragile piece of shit that breaks easily and good luck trying to find a new one cause that particular model is discontinued.

>>4772762
>xp pen site is more expensive than Amazon
why

>>4773326
Yeah thats pretty much why I decided to upgrade. I had an old as fuck Intuos tablet, but the disconnect between eye and hand just wasn't doing it for me.

>>4772894
>you can always put on your lap
People actually do this?

>>4773483
Because they're not expecting you to shop around at their various storefronts for an okay price.

The XP site lets you use discount codes you can get off nearly any recent YouTube review of some generic animu YT artists. The 15.6 pro is cheapest on their aliexpress, white the 22r is only available on their site not the other 2 right now.

>>4772743
I hope there's little to no parallax on yours, anon. I've been using a Kamvas Pro 13 for a year now and I'm still bothered by the parallax after recalibrating it numerous times.

>>4770380
Don't recommend small tablets in general. Those things would just encourage you to draw with your wrist. You're better off with a bigger tablet that would get you to start drawing by moving your arm around. I'd go with a medium sized tablet, or a 16" one. I use a 13" and it still feels small to me.

Probably will get XP 15.6, is SAI run fine with it?

>>4773971
Sorta-ish
I have the 13" version. When i plugged it in for the first time, SAI doesn't work at all (sometimes thare's no pressure, sometimes the cursor is offset - not "paralax" kind of offset but "the cursor appears across the fucking screen from where your stylus is at" kind of offset, sometimes the cursor would stuck on the edge of the screen, etc)
It does sorta work now after i fidled with the settings a bit, but there's still this weird problem where i'll get random cursor offset if i put the pen away from the screen for more than 3 seconds (minimizing and maximizing SAI will fix it, but it's still pretty damn annoying)

I was looking for a 22 incher screen but it's a fucking mint to get shit shipped from huion
Tempted by XPpens shit but I feel like there's gotta be a considerable trade off for such a cheaper price compared to everything else

https://www.amazon.com.au/Graphics-Drawing-Function-Battery-Free-Pressure/dp/B07FZYRCWT/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&m=A13A2PXL3RP0U5&marketplaceID=A39IBJ37TRP1C6&qid=1596696894&s=merchant-items&sr=1-9
What's the catch here?
On their website it's 1K AUD and 90 shipping
it's so much cheaper it's sus
https://store.huion.com/products/kamvas-pro-22

>>4774106
I'm in a similar position. I have relative that is going to gift me a 22 inch XP Pen tablet, but they don't know if it's XP Pen Artist Display 22R Pro, the Artist Display 22 Pro OR the Artist Display 22E Pro. They don't know anything about display tablets and they're buying it new, but just offered to give me the money directly. They also offered to get me a smaller Huion or Wacom tablet, but I'm not going to let them overpay.

Of the tablets, all I heard was that the Artist Display 22R Pro was the best out of the XP tablets. I don't even know anything about the build quality or how the brands compare, other than Wacom used to be king, but their newer stuff has been suspect.

>>4774106
are you referring to the 22e model? iirc they're rather cheap because they're still using old tech for the screen and pen (the battery powered one)

>>4774231
22R pro

Given all the brandfaggory in these threads, would it be better to compile some sort of spreadsheet plus + anon's reviews. With info like how long they've had it, flaws and any other comparisons that can be made to similar products from another brand?

>>4774312
>implying people in these threads actually draws
lmao anon

>>4774217
>Wacom used to be king, but their newer stuff has been suspect.
they still are, though i won't deny that they've been on steady decline for quite a while now

>>4774431
they know the competition is bad, so they can cut costs on quality while still being better than the average china crap

except screen tablets, it's bad everywhere except ipad, but then you have to be stuck with ipad

>>4774456
Stop bumping the chinkshill thread you idiot.

Is the kamvas 22 plus better than 2019 20 pro?

>>4774772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s41Svr_7HWg&feature=youtu.be

>>4774850
still believing youtube shills in 2020

>>4774850
>"best laminated display I've seen"
>coming from a nigga who literally never touched a wacom

>>4774893
are you saying wacom is better than ipad pro then?
also he literally didnt say that.

>>4761951
Should I buy a gaomon pd1560 for $250?
Their customer support rep used ^W^ in one of their replies and now I kinda feel obligated to buy it.

>>4774850
>1080p
>no express buttons

Trash. Do not buy.

>>4775073
Makes me kind of wish the western business world wasnt so strangled with procedure, regulations and image. Asia has such a wild west approach to business, too bad about the whole communism thing

>>4775073
>hello fellow zoomertard ^W^
t. customer support

>>4773326
>>4773508
Just got the tablet. So far so good. The only problem at first was the pen calibration but I was able to adjust it enough to the point where it wasn't noticeable.

>>4775221
How long was setup for you? Amazon keeps pushing back the time I'll get it today and I work in an hour, real sad about that

What about a Cintiq 21UX DTK-2100?
I found one apparently new, just lacks its pen (or at least this is that the seller claims) in marketplace marketplace?

>>4775143
>Asia has such a wild west approach to business
No it doesn't. Japanese businesses are so rigid they make American ones look like limbo dancers. All the innovation is happening in Taiwan and China.

>>4775355
>Cintiq 21UX DTK-2100
>ancient dogshit monitor
>1:500 contrast
>70% backlight uniformity
>Color space isn't even rated
>1600*1200 resolution
>thick glass with a massive air glass
>no coating, etching or screen protector
>Fuckhuge parallax

SURE! GO FOR IT ANON, That's gonna show 'em chinks! You gonna love this purchase. It's so good they didn't even feel the need to specify how much sRGB it has (probably 70%)

>>4775233
Fairly quick. Maybe 10-15 minutes? Hope you get it soon anon.

I've been using an xp-pen artist 12 and it's not so bad but I want to go back to screenless. I've heard of the deco-pro but it's not compatible with Sai. Do only wacom tablets work with every drawing program? Other brands seem to work and not work with CSP, Sai, Photoshop, krita and firealpaca at random.

>>4775448
My deco pro ran fine with Sai 1 and 2, who told you it doesnt?

>>4775455
i suggested it to friend who wanted to try xp-pen and he told me his doesn't work with sai.

>>4775469
A friend who wanted to try xp pen who already had an xp pen deco pro? wut

But anyway, mine ran fine with both Sais. Its a major piece of software.

from the product info on amazon
>works with most major creative software including Photoshop, SAI, Painter, Illustrator, Clip Studio, and more.

>>4775421
has offset issues?

would you rather get a lower end display tablet, or a good rep non-display tablet?
right now im debating between the xp-pen deco pro and the xp-pen artist 15.6 pro.
Any advice?
wacom is out of my budget before you say anything

also should i just avoid something with surface level scratches entirely if buying used? or are they mostly negligible?

>>4775074
>non issue
>never used the ones on my wacom
are we just going to keep coming up with new criticism when the old ones dont apply?

wtf is this witchrafty bullshit with the pressure sensitivity?
Why isn't there just a slider?
What's with this "curves" method??

>>4775443
Just got home to it an hour ago, feels LEAGUES better than a screenless tablet

Actual new thread with correct cross-linking and accurate information:

>>4776104
>>4776104
>>4776104
>>4776104

Do not get conned by Chinese shills like this OP- >>4761951

>>4776071
How is low resolution a "non-issue"? We're talking about a big display here

>>4776102
Good for you, anon
Cute stuffs btw

>>4776173
Sorry those aren't mine, just references I'm using.
Honestly I haven't consistently practiced for years so now that I'm finally going to do so I have no idea where to start lol

>>4776175
Not the anon you replied to, but I wish you the best of luck grinding to get better.
You can start learning your fundamentals or do a lot of deconstructing on the references you're using. If you're going to do the latter, I highly suggest using cylinders/ovals/boxes when breaking down those references.

>>4776209
I know a good amount of fundamentals, the hard part is finding what shapes feel best to me honestly.
I'm trying to develop a Shintani-esque animation friendly style, and I just need to keep studying the structure the artist uses and get back up to speed with my anatomy to really go anywhere.

>>4776102
Awesome! Was watching Marco Bucci earlier and decided to paint along. Looking at my hand while drawing is so much better imo.

>>4776099
To give you more control over it

>>4775443
>>4776102
>>4776454
Enjoy your tablets!

>>4775882
I will always recommend screenless tablets. There's far less that can go wrong. You dont have to worry about ergonomics, parallax, colour accuracy, temperature or maintenance. They're a cheaper investment and can produce identical results. In addition, unless you go for the absolute top of the line display tablets, there will always be compromises. Colour accuracy being the biggest.

Apple and Samsung tablets work, but theyre pretty much just toys. You need something that has access to all of the major drawing software.

>>4776175
Ah, i see. That hand you drew is also coming out pretty well though
btw what's the sauce?

how do I prevent this condom tip shit? is there a setting I can use? or is it just because my tablet is a piece of shit?

>>4777044
You change the pressure curve, you adjust your brush settings, you stabilize the pressure and you git fucking gud at holding the fucking pen.

>>4777044
partly becase your tablet is a piece of shit, but yeah there are ways to mitigate it a bit

>>4777029
Thanks!
And sauce is @samipekoe on twitter

>>4769953
thanks for the laugh.

can someone who use mobile krita explain what the fuck is going on with its UI? it got boh the desktop toolbars and a giant radial touch menu thing, leaving me with only 1/4 of my screen to draw on

>>4776108
don;t get connected to wacom ipad shill thread bros gonna stay here!

>>4776108
That threads a shitfest, sorry brandfaggot.

Here's the vid with some good insight, the only thing I really don't like is connectivity but not horrible everything else looks pretty nice!

https://youtu.be/OOTBWP-ETN8

>>4774854
>shill
>stresses in the beginning that he has not been paid

What do you use to hold up your tablet?
You can't tell if an arm is rigid just by looking at it.
Foldables only offer a few angles, and some designs with less braces look like they deflect easily

>>4777363
Open source devs were never known for their ability to empathize with others, so naturally their user experience design skills would suffer.

>>4777363
>what the fuck is going on with its UI?
It's a tech demo/proof of concept. It's not meant to be actually used yet.
Krita 5 is going to have a new UI on the PC and probably on mobile too.

>>4777363
I don't use the mobile version but AFAIK it's a beta version that's basically a straight port from desktop and they're working on the mobile UI

>>4776108
Wacom only shills are /ic/s Applefags. Stop. Its embarrassing for what little good Wacom still has to offer.

>>4776122
1080p is fine up to 24"

if it was wacom you wouldnt be complaining

>>4777586
>literally being handed out a giant tablet for free
>"it's okay guys he's not being paid haha"
What the FUCK did the chinaman mean by this?

So i got a flip cover/stand for my samsung tab, but apparently it uses magnets which causes the digitizer on the area above it to distort like pic related
Now, this doesn't interfere with my drawing process that much, since the distortion is pretty weak and it's easy to compensate for it. But i'm kinda worried about the long term effects. Will this create something like a permanent dead zone later on?

>>4761951
>$300
>USA
>Display
>no preference
>previous equipment
wacom bamboo from almost a decade ago
didnt realize there was 2 threads

>>4781126
>$300
>Display
I'm afraid you won't have too many options on that range, unless you're fine with very tiny models (10") and all the prolem that comes with it, or second hand ones
Even the cheapest medium-size model (kamvas 13) still costs around $250 before shipping

>>4761951
Im going to test out the m10k2018, ill post results/strokes here tomorrow.

Budget $200
Display less
Preferably with an eraser
Someone recommended Intuos 2013 but how do I know it's a 2013 model when I'm on Ebay? And what's a good price range for one? Because I've seen most Intuos going for $170-200 used and in meh condition.

>>4782284

>>4782590
What's the difference between PTH 451, 651, and 851?

>>4782697
Height in inches.

>>4782284
Keep in mind that the 2013 Intuos Pro is not flawless it has a well known issue involving the USB port being fragile and breaking easily.

>>4782727
I could live without the eraser, but what's comparable at that price? I've looked at Huion and XP Pen tablets but I have no idea what's similar quality at that price range

>>4782763
Deco pro might not feel as good, but for 100$ it's gonna be brand new

>>4782763
You could try to get the 2013 Intuos Pro just be sure not to unplug the USB cord from the tablet itself or take a look at the Huion Inspiroy H1161 or XP-Pen Deco Pro

>>4782763
This seems to be in decent condition

https://www.ebay.com/itm/wacom-intuos-pro-pen-pth651-special-edition/153995040707?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D856c8beb9f944f6eb2b74b108e311be5%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D9%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D303642689337%26itm%3D153995040707%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DWacom&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A9ded7a68-daa0-11ea-8bcb-74dbd180c45c%7Cparentrq%3Ad5c61a491730aa15851d7c65ffffe614%7Ciid%3A1

>>4782727
honestly i don't know why anyone would get a 2013 pro instead of an intuos3. less than $100, build quality is great, and you don't have to worry about the usb issue.

This always happens when I think I know what I'm gonna get. Someone comes in with an issue I didn't know about and suddenly I don't know what's "best" anymore

>>4782805
perfect tablet for weak gullible westerner. luck we have special today only, you buy we have malware pre-install no problem.

>>4782992
>xp pen innovator 16 has been on Amazon for weeks
>still no reviews
HMMMMMM

>>4783008
the company itself doesn't advertise it as much as their artist series. Thinking of, what's supposed to be the difference between innovator and artist? Why make 2 separate series of screen tablets?

>>4783141
The first one, artist 15.6, the tilt didn't work. So they 'fixed' the tilt in the innovator 16 by breaking something else ... it was the roll feature or something like that (which worked in the 15.6).

>>4782805
just fucking buy whatever is in your budget.

I got a used 2013 Intuous for $200. I'll tell you guys how it is when it gets here.

>>4783270
You're posting in the Huion marketing thread.

The real /dtg/ is here: >>4782080

>>4783273
Didn't ask, autist

is that anon who claimed that his huion lasted 5 years before the pen finaly dies still here? how does your usage looks like? did you use it sparingly, (only turning it on for drawing, etc) or did you use it as a full blown main display?
pls post pics if possible

>>4761951
>Budget
Hopefully less $200 after applying $125 Amazon giftcard. But definitely less that $500.
>Location
US
>Type
Display
>Size
No idea. Whatever is comfortable
>Other information
I am currently using http://101.wacom.com/UserHelp/en/TOC/CTL-490.html.. I am pretty dissatisfied with the comfort. It's mostly the pen. Any tips on making it comfortable without buying a new tablet would be cool. But comfort is my primary issue. I want to be able to draw well without feeling like every muscle in the ball of my hand is tearing.
>Previous Equipment
http://101.wacom.com/UserHelp/en/TOC/CTL-490.html

>>4761951
>XP Pen artist 15.6 pro for price/performance value
The Wacom cintique 16 is basically the same price. Why not suggest that instead? Otherwise, that implies that the XP Pen would be superior to the Wacom cintique 22 if it had an equivalent model of that size

Recently got a Wacom Intuos S BT what are some good exercises I can use to get comfortable using it?
I started doing some that I saw on Youtube today (pic related, what I did)
I find it really hard to do smooth and straight lines.

>>4783500
which software, and what level of stabilization

>>4783509
Clip Studio Paint.
Sorry, I'm not sure what stabilization is.

>>4783489
>laminated xp pen 15.6 is $450
>non-laminated wacom cintiq 16 is $650
>basically the same price

>>4783513
its the thing that makes your strokes more smooth. In your brush settings you have a stabilization slider. Its beneath brush size, opacity and anti aliasing. Fiddle around with that until you find a level that feels best for you.

>>4783534
Alright thanks, I'll check it out.

>>4783532
I honestly don't know the difference. I haven't used a display tablet. Enlighten me. I saw somewhere in one of these threads that laminated caused input delay.

>>4783544
No i doesn't. The difference is drawing over an air gap or not.
Have you seen a smartphone? they are always laminated.
Now look at a smartphone through the window glass, that's what non-laminated screen looks like.

>>4783489
>Otherwise, that implies that the XP Pen would be superior to the Wacom cintique 22

I'd rather get an Xp out of these two. Cheap wacoms are really really shitty man. Wajews really go an extra mile to make you feel bad about being a cheapskate.

>>4783556
>Now look at a smartphone through the window glass,
I have a Galaxy S7. I don't think I can do that.

>>4783556

>>4783602
>proofs
The burden of proof is on the claimer.
Somebody said that having a laminated screen causes delay, it's they who have to prove it.

Wacom sell the laminated Cintiq Pro for 3000$ and non-laminated Cintiq Pleb for 600$ so It looks like the lamination is good for you,

>>4773333
why the notebook?

is getting a new non-display tablet to replace my ancient intuos 3 even worth it?

Does anyone have experience with Paperlike 2 for ipad? i was thinking of removing my tempered glass since its too slippery to draw on, do be aware im EU so i dont have access to a wide variety of screenprotectors.

>>4783777
I mean, sure. Medium sized tablets cost nothing nowadays. But if your intuos 3 is still going strong then theres no need to upgrade. Unless wacom cancels driver support for old models to force new purchases

Should I buy XP-Pen Artist15.6 Pro or
Wacom Cintiq 16?

Is there any difference, except the first one is a bit cheaper?

>>4783786
>tfw rotate canvas on touch strip
why didn't i do this years ago

>>4783789
Stop asking that question in the Huion marketing thread.

The real /dtg/ is here: >>4782080

>>4783777
>cintiq 16
+ you get the pro pen 2
+ it's wacom
- it's wacom

>artist 15,6
+comes with buttons and stand (even though it's a shitty one)
+better screen
-it's not wacom

altenatively you can get kamvas 16 which got better stand and laminated screen, but the worst software/driver of the bunch

>>4783800
This is the non autist edition. These will now be regular, so that people can have actual discussions without brandfaggotry or polbaiting.

>>4783141
>>4783159
innovator 16 seems like a poorly done tablet.
it really doesn't have much to give you a reason why you should pay more and buy it over the pro 15.6.
i think the pro 15.6 is going to be discontinued soon.

>>4783888
Innovator Is identical to Artist except it's sexier and really thin, you could take it with your laptop, at least heir marketing seggests it.

>>4783888
doesn't the pro 15.6 have barely an year of age?

Anybody use the Mobilestudio pro in Link mode? How do I get it to stop being loud as shit? Surely it doesn't need the fans on when it's only used as a monitor.

>>4784180
your mistake was buying that junk in the 1st place

>>4784595
Opinion noted, poorlet.

>>4784180
>Surely it doesn't need the fans on when it's only used as a monitor.
Why shouldn't it tho? Monitors die from overheating all the time so it's nice yours come with a fan

>>4761951

Is this a good price?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wacom-Cintiq-22HD-DTK-2200-Grafiktablet-21-5-1920x1080-Stand/313063070131?epid=144237410&hash=item48e40359b3%3Ag%3AXawAAOSw-gBe2jCS&LH_ItemCondition=3000

>>4774216
the first one is the 2018 model with worse pen and non-laminated screen

>>4784180
You're complaining about fan noise on the second worst Wacom Tablet.
Sell it, by a 16Inch, and draw on it rather than listen to it. All in one computers have fans, who knew.

LOL I put a small pit of pam on my tablet so my hand drags perfectly and doesn't stagger from friction and doesn't stop and so when i do a curve i don't end up with a jaggy line!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHE1__TMyvI

>>4761951
>Firstly, an as mentioned by many- the surface has been altered to generate more friction. The result is more rapidly degrading nibs. Where previously I'd go through a couple every year, these were lasting weeks.
I'd give Wacom the benefit of the doubt and assume a misstep as they simply wanted to offer a more papery feel to the experience, but the evidence doesn't reflect that.

>The tip of nibs are identical to all their previous pen nibs. However, the other end of the nibs- the end you push into the pen, have been altered for this generation. Older nibs are incompatible as a result.
There is no discernible practical benefit to this change, other than to prevent customers from using nibs from previous pens. Most like myself will have plenty- because it was never an issue until Wacom designed it to be one.

>Wacom of course sell replacement nibs (which presumably they didn't sell enough of), and they also sell replacement surfaces for £29.99- including the original surface which doesn't wear nibs down by design. Do they really need to do this? The product is not a cheap and cheerful toy with no profit margin. It's a £300+ professional device.

So when do the new intuos pro models come out? Is it every 5 years? These current ones look shit

>>4785132
I get that, but most monitors aren't as loud as the desktop they're plugged into.

>>4786166
Clean it and change the thermal grease for starters.

The dust buildup makes the fans unbalanced and causes them to rattle, and dust in the heatsinks clogs the cooling making the fans desperately spin to 100%

I am currently looking at purchasing either a huion kamvas pro 16 or a kamvas 20.

They both cost about the same amount of money.The kamvas 20 is larger but the 16 pro is pro.

Do the added features of pro justify the loss in size?

>>4787389
The regular Kamvas 20 is non-laminated and not etched. It's the 20 Plus that has the cool features.

>>4787484
Yes, but I believe those features are included in the 16 pro.

Would the 16 pro would be better than a regular 20 because of this? Even though the screen size is smaller?

>>4787506
>Would the 16 pro would be better than a regular 20 because of this?
I think it would.

>>4787484
Explain etching to me
I get laminated means less parallax, but that other one doesn't even sound like something you want

>>4761951
>$500 usd and $100 usd
>USA (Preferably amazon for hassle free returns)
>500 budget for display and 100 for non display
never used a display tablet before and the non display is a gift

adding to this, my current desk is literally unusable for anything not a keyboard or monitor it is simply too narrow I would need to buy a new desk as well, preferably around 100-200 if anyone can recommend anything as well

>>4787568
Etched glass is basically textured to have some tooth against your tablet pen. To simulate paper.

>kamvas 22 plus looks good
>0 video reviews
>its been out for months
w-what

>>4787928
>months
uhh didnt it just come out last month?

FYI Wacom Intuos Pro is $100 off.

>>4788211
I considered picking one up but the amazon reviews are saying its inferior to the old version and not at all worth the money

>>4788284
There's some magical mythology around the old intuos that's really exaggerated.
What's worth and what's not worth the money depends on what you have.

>>4788296
I'm pretty sure all the autism around the new intuos here is basically only revolving around its paperlike surface thing which iirc can be peeled off

>>4787928
>>4788163
You're both right. Huions Kamvas line is really confusing right now because the old models and the new models don't really have any differences physically. They use the same outer shells so unless you're paying attention to the exact model number you might get a review of the older version. I think the newer ones are labeled 2019 but not all of them.

What are some android drawing apps that can open psd files? (Other than krita, turns out it uses different masking system so my clippings are fucked)

>>4789075
>the newer ones are labeled 2019
The newer once are not branded 2020 as opposed to the old ones branded 2019

Kamvas. 22 pro or wait for 22 plus for 500,. 600 for pro

>>4761951
Whats the deal with the Huion Kamvas 22 plus? It seems to be a really good tablet for its price but it just came out and I'm worried there hasn't been enough tie for reviews to come in. Does anyone know anything about it?

If i get a standard tablet like the samsung galaxy would i need to buy a good pen for it, or does it work well enough with whatever it comes with?
if i do need to buy a new pen what would you recommend?

>>4790214
assuming youre getting an S pen with it, thats good enough.
only reason to get a different pen is if you dont like how it feels.

>>4790225
thanks man, have a great day

>>4790225
>>4790228
if i didn't like it though, what pens would work with it/recommend for it (price isn't an issue)

>>4790233
well your only other options really are random chinese brands that offer bigger sized pens.
you gotta keep in mind that this isnt apple we are talking about where they have pens that cost like $90+
everything is generally going to be cheaper.
theres really no "better" pen when it comes to pens for galaxy tablets. they all pretty much work the same.

not looking for advice, just wanted this out somewhere. my current and only digital tablet is the ancient bamboo fun. Lately the cable has to be angled in a certain way to connect properly and I'm too autistic to know what the cable itself is called and practically every replacement is discontinued.

Any tablet will be an upgrade at this point and I'm excited to feel the difference. the bamboo fun has 512 pressure levels.

Anyone else in a similar position? How did it feel like to make such a big upgrade? Am I going to feel the pressure level difference?

>>4790355
Pretty sure the cable is just some bog standard mini usb that you can get anywhere
As for pressure levels, trust me you won't feel it that much

t. upgraded to a 8192 pen from a bamboo similar to yours and can barely feel the difference

>>4790355
You're not going to feel the number of levels, what you are going to feel is a better springloaded sensor with some actual give to it.
The bamboos and cheap Intuos non-pro all have a solid piece of shit with no flex and it's fucking terrible. Whether you get a chink shit or an ituos pro you're going to be amazed, just don't buy a new bamboo

>>4789084
The "old" ones are 2018 models with a technical issue that was corrected in the 2019 "new" version.

>>4790605
But the 2020 ones have newer pens with a better feel.

Yeah they are confusing as fuck.
Do you know how many iterations the fucking h610 had? Like 5.

>>4790335
>they all pretty much work the same.
I heard s-pens aren't interchangeable though, and regular capacitive stylus don't work with it

Does anyone actually use Samsung's tablets and if so, is it recommended.
Tried an iPad and the OS is annoying to get used to so I'm looking into the samsung tablet 12.4 or whatever it is coming out soon

>>4791398
They're alright, not as good as apple but pretty damn good for the price
You WILL want to get an alternative pen though, so that's something to consider

Got my Cintiq back in 2016 and I use it almost every day. It started to have noticeable wear back in 2018. I finally decided to replace the screen protector today.

>>4791737
After replacing with Photodon screen protector. New screen protector feels a bit more matte than the original. Not really sure how to describe it. Its subtle but I think it feels nice. Definitely better than the scratched up surface I was using for the past few years.

my intuos3 stylus kinda snaps. sometime It still drawing even if it raised above the surface. should I just buy new stylus (it's surprisingly expensive) or better buy new intuos pro (if I have to pay a lot anyway)?? I heard that it eats nibs like a faggot eat dicks

>>4791823
How expensive are the stylus? I doubt theyre approaching the 300 bucks of intuos pen wear.

Get a deco pro for a third of the price.

>>4791877
stylus for intuos3 costs about 1/4 of a new intuos pro (full set of)

>>4791909
Go for it then mang. If your intuos3 still works then might as well keep using it. Wacom would want you to buy a new version so Im very surprised they still supply the pens.

When it Wacom going to release a budget 24" cintiq to compete with the chinese?

should I buy a cintiq if I already have an ipad pro? I love sketching on this, but I miss painter and photoshop sometimes. I also would like to be able to use a tablet in zbrush. I tried several apps that are supposed to let me use my ipad with my pc but it's way too laggy to be usable

>>4792120
when plebs stop asking for it

>>4792128
When are they going to make a cintiq 24 pro that doesn't have a jet turbine in it

>>4792133
when they get out of 2005 loop hell

>>4762853
My experience was the opposite. I drew quicker and with more confidence the moment I got a display tablet.
If you have a decent drawing foundation already the inconvenience does make a difference.

>>4792197
for a week, unless you're a brainlet

>>4792211
you do aware that not everyone lives in their mom's basement and have "a week" to reorient themselves, right?

>>4792143
Unfortunately it's a japanese company

What's the difference between the xp pen pro series and normal series? The specs are the exact same except for the red ring

>>4792246
Huh?

My huion Kamvas 16 just arrived but it has a US type power plug, can i simply buy pic related converter for it or am i going to need to buy an european cable from the huion store?

Anyone use the Huion screen protector on their site? Just wondering if it's matte. The description only says it's anti-glare and scratch-retardant.
Other suggestions for a matte Kamvas 20 screen protector are appreciated!

>>4793496
Read on the power brick whether it supports the circumcised voltage or not.

>>4793073
pro series have laminated displays

>>4793073
avoid the non-pros

>>4793583
100-240v
Im a techlet, doesnt that mean its international?

>>4793628
yes

>>4778848
I don't really know myself, but this sounds somewhat worrying.

Does this only happen while the magnets are near the screen, or is this after they've been moved away?

Am I fucked in terms of drivers if I use Linux?

>>4794630
If you have Wacom and you're using a Debian distro then the drivers come out of the box

>>4794630
Wacom have official kernel drivers
The chinks are supported by DIGIMEND dkms

>>4794644
>The chinks are supported by DIGIMEND dkms
But it's less than perfect.

I managed to make my Seco Pro run with the wacom control suite but not to make the buttons work.
Touch sliders and dials don't work at all.

>>4794636
>>4794644
>>4794646
guess i'll try my luck with xp-pen

Is the 4th gen iPad worth it?

>>4794615
Only when the magnet is near screen

Working on a Surface Pro4 bought new in box for 750 with 2 years warranty on eBay. totally worth it.

>>4778848
I imagine it could eventually damage it, kinda like how leaving metal on a magnet eventually magnetizes it. A quick google search shows a lot of other people mentioning that stronger magnets could cause damage to drawing tablets in general.

digital beginner here. should I go for wacom intuos or wacom intuos pro. Pro is literally twice the cost of not pro bluetooth version. I'm currently eyeing the Wacom Intuos Small Bluetooth. Is it any good?

>>4761951
I want to get back to drawing again. I have used Wacom but I now want something for on the go. I prefer it to be a standalone tablet.

Budget <500,-
Location: Europe (Netherlands)
Type: Portable
Size: Not too big

>>4795560
never get a small tablet anon

>>4795659

A sketchbook

>>4795662
"Man, I need a car"

"Buy a bike"

>>4795659
IPAD PRO 2017 + pencil 1

I already have a Cintiq Companion 2
but I need something more powerful. should I go for a 13" Mobile Studio pro (i7 / 16GB RAM / 512GB SSD) or is it wiser to buy a high end gaming PC and connect my old Cintiq to it?
i want to use it for:
>drawing large size pieces. big enough to be printed
>full length animations and the rendering that comes with it
>recording, editing and rendering my drawing process
>maybe live streaming
>maybe 3D softwares

>>4761951
my intuos manga broke. Are second handed tablets worth it?

>>4795972
>or is it wiser to buy a high end gaming PC and connect my old Cintiq to it?
yeah definitely. you won't have to pay the jews at wacom a gorillion bucks if you ever feel the need to upgrade again, and if you're concerned about mobilitty i'm pretty sure the old companion is good enough for anything you might work on the go

>>4796146
thanks you're probably right. now begins the task of finding out what PC fits my needs. surely it can't be +3500 like for the Mobile Studio pro 16 right? that price must be exaggerated because of the build in screen table.
I'm not 100% sure on what exactly to upgrade on. My first guess would be the processor. My Companion has an i7, 8 GB RAM and 256GB SSD
And yes. portability would be nice but as you said my Companion will probably suffice.

>>4761951
>Budget
$200 at best
>Location
europe
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
>Size (in inches)
>Other information
>Previous equipment
>If you have any, state your preferences regarding surface texture (paper emulation, smooth etc)
my dad wants to buy my little sister a tablet and asked me for recommendations, but I have no experience whatsoever

>>4795659
Literally your only GOOD options for standalones under $500 are iPads.

Galaxy tabs are okay too.

>>4796304
you can start by basing it off the mobile studio's specs if you want, since it's pretty decent (well minus the overpricing and the lack of upradeability of course) and go from there
i tried assembling a rig with similar stats at pcaprtpicker and it comes off at ~1400 bucks using average components, with softwares and all

>>4796320
I used to have this tablet and i remember it to be quite big and responsible https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Capture-Tablet-CTH470/dp/B005HGBEZ2

>Budget
$500 tops
>Location
Burgerland
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display
>Size (in inches)
Anything that beats the 10"×5"-workspace turd I'm on now
>Other information
>Previous equipment
Deco-03, the driver software fucking blows on this thing and it throws a fit and bricks if I try using my mouse in tandem while it's wireless.
>If you have any, state your preferences regarding surface texture (paper emulation, smooth etc)
Smooth-ish, like the matte plastic feel most screenless tablets have

>>4796372
The Bamboo is still rad as hell but at $100+ secondhand it might be a smarter idea to get something that isn't ~8 years old like their cheapest intuos model

>>4796372
>>4796416
what would be cheap options for display tablets?

>>4796416
Kamas 16 or Innovator 16 which is on sale for 400 now.
>>4796320
Wacoms basic intuos isn't awful hut its tiny. Depending on how serious she is about art its a good starting point. Its Wacoms reliability, but the small size will leave desire to advance if she's serious.

>>4796428
i really can't help you with that but if you're interested in the Wacom Bamboo I'd sell it to you for maybe 65€ or so

>>4796434
is the regular 15.6 on sale too?

alright you fucking chinese shills I did the thing.
with the code INSPR74 it's $20 off, for anyone else willing to take the gamble. And you get another $5 for making an account.
I swear if this piece of garbage isn't good I will chargeback your ass so hard you will be blasted back to the tang dynasty.

I just want a decent and cheapish display tablet, looking at xp-pen 13.3 pro. I'm seeing a lot of recommendations for a 15.6 instead, but that's almost a hundred more dollars, is it that much better or is it just because of the bigger screen?

is innovator 16 as good as cintiq 16 realistically? not just the specs but everything, the price difference is minimal here not counting the XP pen sale

>>4796578
Isn't the Cintiq non-laminated?
I don't think anybody actually has the Innovator 16 yet apart from a few shills, but I can't imagine going for a non-laminated display when you could just use a screenless and get the same result.

>>4796565
Yea when it comes to screen tablet you'll generally want it to be as big as possible, since all sort of toolbars and UI is gonna take a lot of that space
20+ is ideal, 16" is alright i guess, 13" is kinda pushing it, there used to be 10" variant but i guess people didn't liked it so they stopped producing it

>>4796592
i dont know if it is but reviews say theres basically no parallax anyway

>>4796609
>theres basically no parallax anyway
Yeah, only if you hold the pen perfectly prpendicular from the screen
Non wacom displays still haven't managed to do tilt as well, and the feature often will just end up giving your cursor a slight offset if you tilt the pen a bit

>>4796618
reviews also say the XP pen has a lag issue when you press start soft presses and strokes

>>4796552
>$100+ off for xp’s brand new hyped 16” tablet
is there something wrong with the innovator 16?

>>4796719
>>4796618
>>4796661

Anyone here have the Kamvas Pro 16?
Do you still have the pen-cursos Offset issue or with the last drivers released the last month the issue was fixed?

What kind of cable does the 2013 Intuos Pro use? The tucker I bought from didn't include it

Move here already you idiots:

>>4782080

>>4797067
ok buddy sure......

>>4796719
I didn't think about it like that, I just figured the thing only costs them $40 to make and ship so the rest is pure profit.
Now I'm fucking terrified, but at least I could probably sell the damn thing for more than I bought it if it's that shitty.

new bred >>4797667