/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

reference

>>4788236
I can apply perspective to basic shit like a cube, a cylinder, a prism, etc but I get totally retarded when I need to do it with the human body even if I construct the body using those basic figures. Is there a book to help me with this? Even if I use some sort of technique (Coil Technique) for limb foreshortening they look weird as fuck.

>>4788346
pyw

>>4788236
I want to start digital rendering, what are some good resources to learn the basics?

>>4788414
nice meme

I heard from someone that the next step as I use photo references is to add my own personal touches. But i don't know what that really means.

I've been practicing gesture using Hampton as reference. I feel like I have the basics down.

What I think I'm struggling with is the concept of "timing". I noticed that Hampton's gestures have a lot of extra lines that add movement. My own gesture practice has been pretty sterile in comparison.

Hampton says at the beginning of the chapter to make it so that every line you put on the page is meaningful to the figure you're creating. How can I add extra lines that are still meaningful to the figure?

>>4788422
Change the pose, add different heraldry put one of those big ass feathers on his helmet, give him a different weapon make his underclothes a different colour etc

tuff angle

>>4788470
Wow. Nice!Also how you draw eyes like that senpai?You seem to know your stuff

How can i improve? Just started fundies

>>4788533
>How can i improve?
Learn Perspective

>>4788470
really nice

How can I make my rendering better?

>>4788582
Do photo studies

>>4788588
From real photos or other artist illustrations? Do I try to recreate it as accurately as possible?

>>4788414
rendering is very fun!

There's tons of videos on youtube to help you with rendering but most of your learning will come with experience and experimentation.

Try experimenting with brushes. Don't stick to the same the same thing and keep trying new stuff.

good luck anon! :)

>>4788533
Look at the overall shape and form of the body. Don't just focus on each limb as you draw. That's why so much of your stuff is stiff.

>>4788236

some boomer ygo fanart.
I got indecisive with the cape thing and ruined it :/

>>4788414
Ctrl paint, moderndayjames digital painting techniques

>>4788238

>>4788238

I mostly do cartoony ink stuff but I kind of want to paint stuff like this. There's something really nostalgic about it for whatever reason. Can I do this digitally?

>>4788727
Amazing

>>4788873
>How 2 "draw for fun" as a beginner?

>>4788873
Goddamit so I am not the only one. This last week I tried copying a pose from reference and then drawing the character I wanted over it, that was fun. Do not try to draw from imagination you will get frustrated. Doing this you will be practicing fundamentals and doing something fun.

>>4788777
Anon from here posted this

>>4788926
Any good tutorial for this type of rendering? Not gonna try it now that I am a /beg/ but I would like to save it for later.

I've been going through DAB and when not working on my 250 boxes I've been trying to combine shapes while focusing on my lines, perspective and vanishing points like I would for my boxes.

I'll do things like draw a box then try to draw a box that's sitting on top of that box, a rectangular cutout into the box, or really stupid almost Lego like mechs.

This seems to be going well until I try to add anything round. If I try to add a cylinder coming off of the box, of make a "tunnel" through the box it just looks like I drew a circle on a box rather than a 3d image. Is this because round objects in 3 require contour lines/shading to make sense, or is perspective of curved lines just supposed to be really fucking hard?

>>4788950
Are you me? I am having the same problem. I need help with this because I cannot draw limbs.

just copies from books of upper leg.

>>4788727
is that stubble on his face? lol

What's a good /beg/ resource for watercolor painting?

How do I draw from imagination right? I don't have problem with 3d drawing from life or copying photo but from imagination I just suck with fundies

>>4788880
I am /beg/ and 99% of what I currently produce is shit. To "have fun" I basically have to completely let go of my ego. The "fun" isn't in the end product. It's in the process of getting to any end product at all.

I consider it like a meditation practice. I put down a line. I don't judge the line. Instead, I put down another. I focus on the feeling of the stylus in my hand and the movement I am making and relax my breathing. If I get too frustrated I stand up, take a break, and come back to it when I've got a fresh mind.

If it makes you feel better, go into it with the mindset that no matter what lines you put down on the page, after you've decided you're done you will crumple that page and throw it away.

>>4788950
pyw
Maybe i can help you

>>4788422
fap to your art

>>4788236
does it really get more fun when you get out of /beg/?

>>4789053
Double this, bonus if there are digital watercolor tutorials resources out there as well.

>>4789091
I am not having fun at all, but what I can see is that I get so concentrated in my practices that I forget about everything and it makes me feel good. It's a good form of stress relief for me, but sometimes I get sad because I draw like shit. That doesn't matter, the only way is forward and we MUST keep drawing.

>>4788027
Haham yeah
Have I been improving anon? what do I need?

>>4789081

I have been trying to study edges but i feel my values are way off
What am i doing wrong? and
What can i do better?

>>4789320
If you're trying to study edges why are you concerned with values?

>>4788486
I don't know my stuff

Pic related is some work I did while watching a Steve Huston lesson last night.
If I keep a dedicated schedule of 2-3 hours of practice daily is 6 months a good frame of time to achieve a high Intermediate to mid Advanced range of figure drawing, construction, proportions, and rough animation?
I know it varies from person to person, but is it realistic?

>>4788950
Are you drawing your ellipses correctly?

>>4789370
edges are influenced by values
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnhj5efzN_w

>>4789394
I think you can get decent at figure drawing from reference in 2 or 3 months, don't know about the other things.

>>4788236
Best pose studys from today's batch

>>4789403
I imagine not, and I feel like I have just do not not understand how ellipses are supposed to behave. With something like a box even if I'm not executing it properly I still am aware of how the lines should be converging to a vanashing point, but I have no idea how to manipulate an ellipses to make them appear in the proper orientation

I've done the exercise a bit where you draw random planes and draw ellipses that touch the edges of the plane and can see how it manipulated the ellipses but I can't really apply it when I'm drawing.

As I'm saying this it makes me think I should maybe draw a plane first and draw an ellipses on that plane to project my cylinder to get familiar with adding it to an image. I'll try something really basic when I get home like putting a box on the top of a rod using this method and see how it looks.

im still counting this as a head, not sure how i feel about this one, as always my eyes are trash even after i did buccis eye lesson

How is this? Sucky?

>>4789370
because shape,value and edges woks as a whole
>>4789409
very useful video, marco is great teaching but i still don't understand values

>>4789535
yeah, but the jojo face makes up for it

>>4789394
Figure drawing: yes, even Will Weston says in his lectures that you can get to his level in about 6 months

About animation: maybe, but I think that might take longer

ellipse practice. shit is hard. going to attempt them with just the minor axis today.

Today's work doodles. Then some Bridge Men when I get home.

>>4789545
https://youtu.be/gwLQ0cDb4cE
Try this one or the video preceding this one.

>>4789580
those translucent colors remind me of plastic building toys I played with as a child

rate me please

>>4789608
did you put your pp in them?

>>4789610
Cute toes.
Her calf and ankle could use a little more tapering and shaping.
I know she's twisting around, but her shoulders don't line up with her ribcage.
Her right arm (our left) is too long. Elbow should only go down to belly button.

>>4789580
Nice stuff. Remember to try doing them freehand also

>>4789610
my biggest problem are with the feet. I see you were trying for an anime type look, bu seriously why dont any /beg/'s use ref? Industry artists often use the ref to the point of tracing like seriously go look at some riot games process of splash art and you'll notice that it's most likely tracing.

Either way, look at references. Those feet are not anywhere near what real feat look like. Follow example

>>4789580
It looks like your ellipses' minor axis aren't oriented towards the left vanishing point. Maybe the first one on the back looks good.

>>4789697
I think it's a combination of the whole thing not being constructed very precisely plus a couple of the ellipses are outside the CoV.

>>4788431
Stop trying to focus on what is correct. Don't try to construct the gesture feel the movement and think about it. Give yourself 10 seconds a line force yourself to place where you want the focus and movement and restrict your lines

>>4788776
yikes

>>4789535
Her anatomy is off on one side. But not the most beg thing I've ever seen.

Try flipping your drawings horizontal while working. It's 100% guaranteed to help.

>>4788727
Yes

>>4788346

Try constructing with those basic forms while paying attention to negative space. Also remember a box is only going to have three visible planes, usually a top or bottom and the left and right sides. Hopefully this helps. Eliminate the possibilities

Some stuff I tried today.

I tried adding construction to gesture. The Jotaro also had me trying to do some foreshortening but im not sure how to get that effect or look when it comes straight out.

The bottom left was just trying to do a basic female posing from memory using gesture then construction to make the body. I feel like faces are gonna be super hard for me to get into.

The other 2 are from quick poses but i lost the references.

Trying to escape xeroxdom through stylization. Attempt for starting point reference.

>>4789794
how did you figure out getting eyes like that? i feel like i can never put eyes down that look symmetrical in 3/4s views or anything not looking straight ahead. is there a technique or way to measure out the transformation for the other eye?

>>4789783
lookin like megaman characters if you want to go for that, good shit either way

>>4789794
What are those anime poses from?

>>4789806
I've never really tried to draw anime faces. Did this one rather quickly, if it looks half decent is thanks to the face at a similar angle on the reference and some head drawing experience. I suppose there are ways to get it right using perspective, but I don't think anyone does it that way, I'd guess it's mostly practice and eyeballing.

>>4789823
Not sure if they're from reference, but this is the artist.
https://twitter.com/nanban319/status/1129905980173705216

How the eff do I paint thinner lines? I don't know what I'm doing at all with paint.

>>4789627
>>4789656
thanks for the feedback

>>4789806
you start to draw like that by using lines of symmetry for all the facial features. you should learn that first by learning to construct the head and you'll learn the 'rhythms' and general proportions of the face

tldr loomis

>>4789807
Thanks anon, I wasn't trying for it but by the end of all this learning it would be an interesting style to have develop. Any specific characters you had in mind? I might take a look.

>>4789886
take jotaros foreshortened arm as the cannon and KQ right leg and your like halfway to drawing mega man x

>>4789727
Thanks for the input, will do.

>>4788667

I know I suck at ellipse but I just realized that I had tilt pressure activated which was the cause off my lines draggin lol

>>4789911
lol, I can see it now.

I tried to draw in a sitting pose. Any good?

help me /beg/

>>4790071
with what?

>>4790098
I've only been doing practice and /beg/ tier heads, I want to draw a full body though, how?

>>4789988
Resize before posting.
You should really do focus studies from time to time. Such as focusing on just torso, arms, legs...etc.
The head too small making the body feel twinkish. I cant tell if the hand is foreshorten or just large. The face feels too crowded.

>>4789988
While is not perfect, I like this kind of lineart. How did you make it, brush settings??

>>4790119
Thanks for the insight. Also there is foreshortening going on but his hands are also meant to be larger than average.

>>4790133
Thanks. I used the basic pen(?) in Sai. Just clicked on it and started drawing.

>>4789988
I'd let him fuck me.

>>4790115
Huston

>>4790115
learn gesture then construction

Thats how ive started to progress.

People recommend Vilpu but Ive been using Steve Huston course and I like how he explains and breaks stuff down more. I also did the first two lessons of drawabox to build my handling.

>>4790115
proportion->gesture->simple volumes>anatomy, at least that's what works for me.
I started with Loomis and copied his mannikin and tried to follow the proportions. Try to invent your own poses with the mannikin too, I see a lot of people only copying what he drew. I watched Proko and Vilppu to learn gesture. Don't get frustrated if you don't get it right. Gesture is deceivingly simple and it gets easier as you understand the body better. I watched Vilppu's lectures on simple volumes next. I tried doing anatomy before this, but I just ended up copying shapes, not volumes. When you get a grasp on volume, I recommend Proko for anatomy. Hampton is also a good choice if you want to learn simplified muscles. With every step, use a lot of references, and remember to have fun. This is by no means a guide, It's a list of recommendations based on my experience. Hope this helps.

starting to work on an animation project, trying to keep it simple to keep the pain of animation at a minimum, not a "muh style" cunt, I promise.

>>4790196
hhhhj

>>4790203
other character concept

>>4790203
I sincerely and utterly hate myself and hate mobile posting because I cannot delete my old posts and also I am retarded

My first time coloring something. How can i improve?

I tried Drawing a different stance instead of just standing straight? How bad is it?

here's a digital thing i did. i usually don't do this type of rendering.

>>4790327
the pecs feel a bit too scrunched up

his elbow is fucked but im still really happy with this.

>>4790354
his forearm is way too long

I wanted to get into drawing so I'm trying to to atleast one drawing a night. So far it's night 3 and i tried this.

>>4788236
day 3 of istebrak portrait challenge

please give crit bc i know it looks shit. i have no idea how to make things soft and natural but still having edges.

also their tutorials are confusing as hell.

im learning from this well so far, but is it gunna turn me into a photocopier?

>>4788238

First attempt at drapery

>>4790565
It will teach you how to see and draw accurately, what you do with those skills is entirely up to you. It also covers a broad spectrum of observation drawing (gesture, copying drawings) and emphasizes that making mistakes is necessary

>ok
>heeeeeeehhh
>how do we.... ehhhhh do...
>let me demonstrate...
>and so the secret is....
>ehhhhhhh
>and we just
>feel...
>here, let's draw somebody... real fat
>disgusting...
>there we go...
>and we feel the form
>i hope you learned something today

>>4790677
>disgusting...
kek

>>4790560
>I want softness, subtlety, and control
Focus on the anatomy of the head then. Learn the skull inside and out. Then learn the facial muscles, then learn the facial fat. Then paint tons and tons of portraits of real heads, to learn the features and possible variations of heads. It's all about building your knowledge of the head. I highly recommend Scott Eaton's Facial Anatomy course, if you can pirate it. If not, I recommend going through every single drawing in Morpho Anatomy's head section and rendering every single drawing.

hows this?

>>4790354
wow, is that pastel? It looks so clean and really jumps off the page. How can I learn to do that?

>>4790770
>Larry Butz/10

>>4790560
Use more specialized brush settings. It's an absolute pain in the butt trying to do everything with a single brush even though it can be done.

In Photoshop
Brush 1: Hard round(or any shape really). Opacity set to pen pressure. Standard brush used for everything.
Brush 2: Round brush. Opacity set to pen pressure. Hardness set to 50-75%, has to be a round brush for this setting to be available. Softer blending, but not air brush soft.

Manually set the max opacity to 50% or whatever % below 100% that makes blending easier for you. In Photoshop it's easily done by hitting 5 for 50% and then 0 for 100%.

Air brush + lasso tool. Easily creates gradients with hard edges. Use sparingly/with caution. Too much air brush makes things look too digital.
Anywhere you are trying to blend gradients, but want to maintain hard edges. Use lasso tool and turn off the selection border with ctrl + h(or whatever the hotkey is). If the edges are too hard, you can soften them up afterwards.

Not that I would take my own advice without a bucket of salt. I can't fucking draw.

>>4790784
>Hard round
(he said it. he said the thing.)

My second digital drawing in progress. I don't know if it's ok or not. There are so many styles. It's a bit difficult to render

>>4790771
no i sketched in pencil and then did color in digital.

>>4790637
Looks really good. First thing that stood out to me if you want to make it a little better, you can clearly see in the thumbnail preview that the ref black is darker than the black in your sketch. Especially on the left side, that big shadow. I don't think it's necessary desu but if you're looking for crit, that's all I got.

>>4790551
look into the proportions of the head. your character has no forehead and no cranium.

how long do i have to wait for my arworks to get noticed? Its been a week since i created my account, posted drawings everyday with a lot of tags and everything, but i got only 10 followers

I've been doing loomis heads but it feels like they don't click well with me. Can't seem to get the two-thirds circle on the side big enough. Is Steve Huston's head drawing method good for beginners as well?

Getting into drawing, following the advice of focusing on fundamentals before going into more of what I want, but I'm not doing so well with books like hampton or Loomis, i'll read them, try an exercise and get bored after an hour, about a week of this and I burn out and put down art for months, try again, same process. Is there a more rigid process to follow or am I just being a basic bitch, I do want to improve but I can't cope with the constant burnouts i'm feeling.

>>4791126
you're doing better than me anon, I only got 2

>>4791126
Artists will usually draw/post characters from recent anime/cartoons/memes to try and attract followers and build a following so that can help.

>>4790677
ngmi. vilppu videos are kino and full of wisdom

>>4790354
This makes me think NTR... which isn’t necessarily a bad thing...

>>4789320
Where did you get those 3D heads on the bottom?

>>4791224
not that anon but I think it's this
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GX3Ax1

>>4788470
it's not fucking fair
why do some begs have all the talent while the rest of us are just FUCKING AROUND drawing SHIT! IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR!!!!!

>>4790354
>>4791212
what is NTR?

>>4791304
it's cuck stuff. it looks like she's riding away from her beta white boyfriend and giving him the figure while rubbing her wet puss against her new chad brown bf

>>4791307
Mutts law. You must be American.

>>4791307
I think you have some issues with forming relationships.

Does my drawing look good, just for what it is ? I'm practicing drawing once a day from reference, this is from imagination. I'll work on rendering next when my sketches are okay.

>>4790770
I'd say a bit too under defined for my taste
>>4790826
Looks like it's on a good way
>>4790637
Looks good ! You should try something with more wrinkles (if that's the word), to practice
>>4790560
The left eye is slightly less large than the right eye (from the viewer's perspective). The left eyebrow is slightly down compared to the right one. You might need to remove a bit of detail on the left ear, as it's more in the shadow than the right ear.
Looks pretty good to me though, I'm not skilled enough to give more critiques, sorry
>>4790551
You should work on basics first because you'll hit a plateau very soon if you don't

Going through Loomis today to try to improve my head drawing

where can I get reference pics besides posemaniacs and quickposes?preferably nude models

My fingers are tingling after 6 hours of drawing. Does this happen to any of you? Is it a sign to take a break?

>>4791389
are you drawing with your arm or your wrist? used to get it until I started drawing completely with my arm. my drawings look a lot better now and I don't get tingly feels anymore

>>4791389
your nerves are screaming for the sweet release of death
also might be carple tunnle or how ever it's spelled

>>4791390
Wrist. Defiantly wrist.

>>4791395
>>4791390
definitely*

>>4791395
you should switch. wrist sucks for anything other than super fine details and it's bad for your health, once you get used to drawing with your arm you'll be able to execute really beautiful lines effortlessly. my drawings from when I used my wrist vs my arm are like a night and day difference

https://youtu.be/5aYBHfhTW_0
https://youtu.be/5ushKbuCMSY
are these any good?
i know there are better options but as far as markers go this is as close as i can aquire due to reasons.

>>4791399
I believe you. I’ll try, but I’m afraid I won’t be able to get used to it, and switch back.

how many hours do you draw in a day?

>>4791399
>>4791407
I kind of tried it before but my accuracy went to shit. So went back to wrist.

>>4791411
40h a day

>>4791415
NGMI

first time really drawing a none cartoony or scribbly face
trying to do some art for a /tg/ kinda game my bf's friend's ground is doing on Sundays (not vtm, but like the newer one?). just wanted to do some char art but ended up doing an actual face. The char is spose to be chinese.
It's not done, but how bad is it so far?
I know the mouth is p bad and I'mma re do it, but anything else I should work on too?
also I have no idea how to hair, any tips for that would be great as well.
doesnt need to be prefect, 95% of the group cant even draw a stick man, I'm just kinda doing this for fun and something to work on my art skills with.

>>4791407
>>4791415
I had the same problem initially. What I did was initially I switched to using an overhand grip. That felt weird enough that my brain didn't have any problem drawing with my arm. I stuck with that for awhile because I really enjoyed how gestural and pretty it looks, but eventually I noticed that overhand is very limiting if you want to do any digital, so I switched to this weird grip that's in my picture. The one where the pencil is between your pointer and middle finger. This also feels weird enough that my mind doesn't have a problem drawing with my whole arm.

After doing that long enough then drawing with my arm has become so second nature to me and drawing with my wrist feels so unnatural now that I'm able to just draw in the normal writing grip without unconsciously defaulting back to my wrist.

>>4791307
BASED
same thought desu

>consider myself not /beg/
>go outside of comfort zone
>tfw absolutely /beg/
nice. any advice on where i went wrong with this/any advice on drawing awkward angles/laying people?
>>4788694
hey, didn't you post a couple times in /dng/? either way, that looks amazing, keep it up!
>>4790327
pecs need to be way bigger and i'm not sure what's going on with his bellybuttong but the rest looks gucci

>>4791435
Based. I’ll keep this in mind.

>vilppu and borenstein talking about artists using drugs
>>haha a real artist doesnt use drugs. all you need is a cup of coffee
>literally just liquid meth
SO WHICH ONE IS IT?

>>4791451
>same fagging

>>4791473
>literally just liquid meth
>literally

yeah, i don't know where i was going with this

>>4791503
you lack anatomy knowledge

>>4791456
>>4791503
Glad you're getting over your dunning kruger.

>>4791364
Nice

pic related is what i can do when i'm working in more normal angles. i've been drawing little more than just characters standing like that for the last couple of years so i genuinely can't tell if i actually know my basics or if it's just muscle memory after so many ages of trial and error
>>4791504
>>4791505
okay, so where exactly did i go wrong?

>>4791514
what you think about mangs situation?

i genuinely think i'm good at what i do and i could probably just learn how to render digitally and do pinups and portraits for the rest of my life but i really wish i could tackle more challenging angles sometimes
>>4791525
don't care, i'm only in the FE community because that's how i started doing pixel art.

>>4791514
I would say if you drew that and also >>4791503 this, it's a result of you not really knowing your fundies. You might know how to draw that basic pose over and over again just from the repetition of it, but when you have to do a slightly different angle you drop the ball entirely. Learn figure drawing, there's a trillion books and videos on the subject.

>>4791503

I'm also completely beg so take this for what it's worth but the the glaring issues I see are you placed her left hip joint below her crotch, which makes it look she has a broken femur.

Also, breasts won't maintain their standing shape when lying down, and I think her arms are too long.

Unironically read Loomis particularly the part on projecting a figure onto a plane in perspective to guide your construction

Here's my attempt, which I'm sure is also shitty

I think these threads obsess to much over perfectionism
unless you're gonna be drawing anime waifus, then nobody cares about anatomy or perpective perfective
have you even seen what passes has western art these days? most draw like god damn toddlers

>>4791608
maybe these people don't want to be paired with typical "western artists" and want to move past it

>>4791580
the angle's slightly different but i still get the gist of it, thank you so much! and yeah, i should probably just go back to the very basics like i should have from the very beginning

>>4791608
If people wanted to settle for being mediocre, they wouldn't post their drawings for critique. You can always tell when some shrimpdick is just posting here(meaning /ic/ as a whole, not just /beg) fishing for compliments as they get very defensive of any criticism.

Who wore it best?

critique please

What is with the price of ink fluctuating?

Wadda fuggin mess

>>4791514
Hey anon, I'm in the same boat as you where I can put out decent work in basic poses but as soon as I attempt a weird angle everything comes out fucked. I started looking at some anatomy books and they're extremely helpful and made me realize I know way less than I thought I did. Tbh I wish I could go back and undo my foundation and all the bad habits I've learned over the years but late is better than never. Good luck.

For better or worse. Clutch pencil

>>4791711
Good, try a 3/4 view or back up to draw a fullbody in a location performing some gesture

>>4791456
>hey, didn't you post a couple times in /dng/? either way, that looks amazing, keep it up!
yeah that's me lol.
remember when i said i would stop coming if get burned out on the game.
yeah...
i still buster blader fanart but that's about it

>>4791400
I tried mixing them with Aquarelle pencils.
i'm not sure if i like the results or not.

How the fuck do you learn to line art? Is there any form of useful practice besides dynamic sketching and studying other artists?

>>4791784
Do it a lot. That's about it. Oh, and use a brush for lineart.

>>4791784
Just practice, same way you learn literally any skill.

Today's bored sketches. Tried to freehand a Mk108 autocannon. It went better than expected. Machines seem pretty easy.

>>4791813
I like the profile, but overall you need to spend more time working on small shapes for portraits like you did with the other thing. Keep it up anon.

>>4791938
I don't know what that means.

>>4791813
I like the bottom right pic

>>4791748

I tried to draw a more "fuller" but muscular woman.

>>4792026
If you're going to construct a head, construct it, don't guess or eyeball it. At this stage, it's not even about drawing well. Just making sure that you follow the construction lines will make sure your face doesn't turn out lopsided.

In Drawing the Head and Hands by Loomis, he says the brow line, eyeline, mouth generally follow the same perspective(in some extreme angles, there's some fuckery, but you don't need to worry about that), doing so, really simplifies the process.

So yeah, construction, construction, construction, it's an easy fix. After that, go through the loomis book I mentioned so you get an idea of how the eyes and mouth are placed in perspective then tudy a fuckton of faces and skulls(search for a 3d skull on sketchfab so you can play around with it. ).

>>4792129
thank you dear anon i have read all of loomis head and hands but i should give it another read

>>4789607
thank you anon

>>4792137
if you've read that then you know what to do, be more thorough in your construction. If you're working digitally, it's even easier, just keep your construction lines layer visible.

>>4792129
how are these slanting down? also when you draw do you use shoulder or wrist?

any feedback?

>>4792164
stiff and gravity is off

>>4792129
hows this?

>>4792198
Better than what you did before. Mouth is too low. Bottom of the bottom lip should be 1/2 between nose and chin.

>>4792198
an improvement.

>>4792201
>>4792202
cheers guys

anyone know some good books for how to draw things so they look really big? I want to draw an apple from an ant's perspective for example

>>4792233
Paint your entire canvas red.

>>4792233
just eyeball it

>>4792233
try using really funky perspective maybe?

Can someone be completely honest about "Draw a Box"? Is it a meme? Will it help me? If it is a meme, should I start with perspective made easy?

Wanted to do something quick as to not break the attempt at drawing streak. I really need to learn a way to judge portions better. I got the iten accuracy guide so im gonna take a look at that sometime. I also dont know how to get the torso shape that people construct for most bodies.

>>4792262
Draw a box has helped me with tool control a lot and getting used to making marks, some basic construction and then a bit of understanding perspectives. And that was just from lesson one. Im using Huston's video course and Hampton's book now.

>>4789656
Is the secret to feet just drawing chicken breasts.

cant draw what i want to draw
fundies feel like pulling teeth
think im just gonna kms

>>4792265
Even your "traced" image looks wrong. The original image you can tell where her rib cage ends. You drew her top torso too small. You have the right idea of boxing out her hips for the pelvic bone but ended up making it to box like.

>>4792285
Me too, except the kms part, I want to keep trying but I want to have fun doing it and grinding fundies feels like work, and applying fundies to what i want to draw looks worse than what I used to do.

>>4792286
>The original image you can tell where her rib cage ends.
I can literally never tell where ribcages begin and end

>>4788236

>>4792297
how long did the bust take to draw ?

>>4792286
I thought where the circle/bean shape ends would be where the rib cage ends, no? But thats what I mean when I ask about my torso construction.

>>4792304
I think 2 hrs between watching youtube videos and drawing

>>4792262
It will help teach perspective but dont get stuck on it or you'll get bored and discouraged.

>>4792233
Same way you draw anything in perspective. I'm no expert on it myself but I've heard the Framed Perspective books are pretty good, maybe start with Perspective Made Easy(it's pretty short and easy to understand).

Trying to draw from a different angle from memory. Any good?

>>4792290
>>4792308
Not that guy but I would recommend watching Hampton's figure drawing videos. He goes over landmarks, and this drawing has pretty obvious landmarks where her ribcage is. You had the right idea with finding that boxy shape using the corners of her pelvic bones, you can do the same with the point where the 10th rib is on either side.

>>4792351
Thank you. I never really thought about the rib cage the same way as the pelvis. I've been using Huston's course but Ill check out hampton's too. I think i picked up his book not too long ago.

>>4792360
It can get tricky when referencing another drawing, especially more stylized ones like anime stuff, as sometimes they aren't anatomically correct themselves. You just have to look for the spots where the ribs push against the skin, which luckily this artist conveyed properly.

>>4788236
How do I git gud at drawing cute twinks when I've been focusing on drawing buff mama bear?

>>4792340
Not really

the proportions are not good, particularly her left arm is extremely stretched and longer than the other

also those squiggly lines which I assume are supposed to be muscle definition are ugly as sin, don't do that

>>4792340
serious question and i dont mean it in an offensive way but are you young? like 16? you style seems quite young for some reason

>>4790677
>KSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH
>NOW... raphael... coming through... feeling the pull of the leg... coming up... feeling the action... coming through....90 degree angle...uhhhhhhh... birds

>>4792400
Nope. Super old.

>>4789794
So much for the drapery studies, haha. I'm happy tried to do this, though.

I have no fucking idea what I'm doing and I keep putting off actually drawing despite just wanting to.

Do you see potential in this?

>>4792749
I mean anime is trash but there's potential in anyone who's willing to put in the effort

>>4792755
I kinda wanna do a realistic rendering, I'll try changing the face then

>>4791432
Funny how the mouth is the best part along with the nose, the eyes look terrible along with the eyebrows

>>4791432
I have never seen someone do such advanced symbol drawing... Unironically do loomis, understand the face as a 3d form.

>>4792763
oop, it is? I thought it looked kinda weird and too chubby-ish. any tips for doing asian eyes better?
all hair I have given up on for now. RIP eyebrows, someday maybe you'll not be turds

>>4792769
I have at least accomplished something then, even if it is first place in the special olympics. will get on the loomis stuffs soon.

thank you both for the help and responses.

How do I do gestures without them looking like shitty stick people?

>>4792879
post example

100% literal drooling retard beginner here trying to learn art so I'm not jusy anoyher programmer. what's the "hello world" of learning to use charcoal or pencils to draw? yeah I know loomis, but I'm so confused when i sit down and go "ok time to practice art"... what the fuck am I supposed to do? Today I tried to draw an eye and a plush doll that was on my desk but it was pretty arbitrary and I feel blind and aimless. any suggestions? also, how do these look and what would. improve them?

>>4792971
sorry, forgot to resize

>>4792749
I just changed everything besides the hair that I really like kek.
You like this composition?
I have doubts about that enemy at the center, I could just show more of space and it'd look cool but this adds more storytelling

>>4792971
You need Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson. It will teach you how to see properly

>>4793002
I have been doing a few of the exercises there. Just keep doing those? I get so worried I'm not "practicing" right

>>4793002
I have been doing a few of the exercises there. Just keep doing those? I get so worried I'm not "practicing" right.

I'm having major issues with loomis. I am unable to follow the directions in the book of draw the characters at all.
I can't even get heads right at all.
I completed Fun With a Pencil without learning anything and I'm on Drawing the human head and Hands. Page 22 is impossible for me. Where do I go before Loomis?

>>4793021
Read perspective made easy

Still just a sketch but I wish it looked better, I need way more details for this to look impressive

For anyone who wants to feel better about their work. I will do some heavy studying before finishing another pic, because I made this with very poor knowledge about fundies.

so is the secret to drawing bodies in perspective just boxes and applying your anatomy knowledge/references to them? is it that simple?

I still use whatever paper I find, and HB (#2) pencils.
Does better equipment really improve your drawing/sketching skills?

This is an extremely stupid question but I don't know where to ask it. Someone shared with me their SAI brush settings but my settings panel looks completely different to theirs. Why is this?

>>4790677
>>4792433
There is something endearing slightly based about rambling old men in instructor positions that don't teach you anything. Reminds me of college.

>>4792372
>How do I git gud at drawing cute twinks
If you're anything like me you learned to draw females using tutorials and similar resources that hold your hand. For drawing non-beefcake males, you are basically on your own. It's up to you to ascertain and study how slim males musculature and skeletal framework are put together. It's up to you to find a construction method that works. You can't just grind muscle studies and gloss over male anatomy by giving the male roided up football trapezues, deltoid, pectoral, etc muscles. You have to think carefully about what you're drawing. It's the metaphysical price you pay for having good taste.

>>4789610
04/10 - it is almost ok

>>4790268
is her belly angry?

>>4793120
clearly

>>4792265
why does the traced one look so bad? how does this even happen

do you guys think drawing/colouring or painting is harder?

>>4793312
It wasnt literally tracing the exact outline. I "traced" it but tried to use construction and eyeballing to map out where everything is generally supposed to be I guess.

30 minutes worth of 2 minute figures.
I'm still not consistent with the time limit, sometimes it looks all good and i still have 15 seconds to go and other times i can barely make it in time.

>>4788238
maybe it ended a bit childish ._.

>>4793120
you'll get there, anon. if you had posted this two years ago you'd receive words of encouragement. it's a shame that /beg/ went into turbo autism mode ever since corona hit and low begs only ever get crabbed to death nowadays

30-ass boomer here.
I started practicing a week ago, trying to study gestures and anatomy but haven't really read any resources yet, mostly trying to "study" some shounen manga and such.
Posting to encourage /beg/s who're better

>>4793750
Boomers are 60+

>>4793770
thanks, mr obvious

>>4793770
not on the internet

>>4788236
Prepping for istebraks 14 day challenge, what I noticed so far
>face too flat lacks dimension plan on studying asaro head
>eyes and brows look like stickers, not realistic enough
anything else you guys can add?
Ignore the hair, I just did that for fun and mainly care about the face. I know the nose and lips are wonky too.

>>4793827
resized it

>>4793835
I don't think it's bad, just the flat even lighting and dead-on blank stare make it look like a police mugshot

Maybe drawing it very slightly in profile and lighting it differently would add more depth

>>4793016
3 ways to practice:
1) draw from life/reference
2) draw from imagination
3) draw along with somebody really good (huston, vilppu, et al)

if you get into a flow state doing any one of these three things, you're practicing right

to take your hands to the next level practice drawing simple forms and look up videos on construction (huston has a good video on hands). draw along with him and then draw from reference and imagination and you will improve

Yo i was asked to come opst here after i made my own thread So people could critique my art (Didnt know there was one for that kind of stuff)
Well please do critique my art
Thanks in advance~

>>4793138
Better paper helps. Pencils you may want some in the B-6B range. You dont need harder than HB.

https://youtu.be/EAW7FuSvcdk

Hampton week 2, be gentle this is my first time

Absolute beginner should I learn perspective or construction first? Is there a certain order I should learn the fundamentals in? And also can I learn two concepts at once or is it better to do them one by one

>>4793963
perspective is in everything, u need to at least understand how it works

bought a tablet recently in order to save money on paper and i was wondering if there were any pens that could emulate a traditional ink pen on paper.
additional question: is it cheating or inhibiting to use stabilizers.

>>4792749
YES! I love this image. The hair gives off a very fast pace sharp design, and the gun compliments the character. Please render this in a proper fashion preferably using a dark tone.

There is some brilliant shape language in this image, for a /beg/ this shows a lot of potential going forwards. Most artist struggle indefinitely at capturing the proper shapes.

>>4793971
hard round brushes

>>4793951
this is hypnotic, amazing work for week 2 gmi

>>4792265
Learn anatomy and do figure studies. Micheal hampton and Vilpuu.

Moreover the character you are tracing is from the artist houtengeki. He has a book on how to draw his characters. Learn his methods and watch his youtube video to understand the process he uses (for example, he uses posemaniac, starts with line work).

Lastly, trace lighter and looser, and then use PEN for the final lines. pen will make a world difference in the quality of your drawings.

>>4793963
Sticky

>>4793971
Nothing wrong with stabilizers. I tried the using different brushes thing, but it gets annoying fast. Most artist use hard round/air brush and customize it exactly to their liking. You will eventually make your own brush in the next year or so depending on how much you draw. This will come naturally so don't rush it. You will slowly learn what you like in each brush.

Download kyle's megapack and just wing out different brushes. Over time you'll figure out exactly what you like.

>>4793963
You learn a bit of ALL the fundamentals a little at a time. You'll never master any of them any time soon.

I would start with drawabox since it does basic perspective and basic construction. I recommend this because learning to sketch really well helps at improving and getting millage.

The only thing I recommend against learning too early is anatomy. You need a solid understanding of construction, perspective, and shapes to do anything noteworthy with anatomy, and 9/10 you can make something decent without anatomy anyway.

>>4792372
> 1) Loosely capture gesture.
> 2) Place gesture in 3D using construction.
> 3) Indicate shapes of anatomy using shape design.
> 4) Understand shapes, shrink then, elongate, triangles vs squares, each shape tells a story.
> 5) If you used the proper shapes they'll be a twink.
> 6) Still confused what shapes to use? Look at other artist works.
> 7) Render those shapes to better convey twink look.

You need to learn to properly draw from imagination/use references instead of following a how to draw guide.

>>4793951
Noice, real solid work. I've never liked the last stage in these drawings, feels like the gesture is a lost a bit and it kills the sense of weight in the figure, but maybe that's normal, at least I had that same problem as well. Some boxes for the pelvis look a bit off, but you just need to keep practicing. Remember to draw it with the same dimensions consistently.

>>4793971
i like the bottom right drawing but i think you went HAM with the hair. it would look cute if you scaled it down by like ~30%

>>4788533
D R A W B I G G E R !
Not just the paper, but what you draw on it and the strokes you use to get there.

Still early into keys to drawing, opinion on my current skill level in general?

>>4788599
Ideally they will be studies of photos you take yourself or of things actually around you. Other photos are a good next step, but studies of existing art (especially stylised art) can ingrain bad habits like symbol drawing.

>>4793971
You inspired by gundam by any chance?

>>4789535
The arms are a little small. If you aren't sure about proportions ask yourself if the person you are drawing can wipe their ass/masturbate comfortably. If yes, the arms are good. If no, adjust size.

>>4794032
You look like an early beginner, nothing wrong with that.

Your lines and shading are pretty good for someone just starting, and the face looks nice, but the proportions are way off in the arms & hands

You need to focus on construction

>>4791784
Lineart is sketching but with fewer lines and full opacity. The sketch layer below is just a guideline to focus you.

>>4791808
What brush do you recommend for lineart? You think turning on pressure line width is a good idea?

>>4793136
Yes, it also helps to use some of the boxes as "containers" to fit other boxes into.

I was practising soft shading in Krita today.

>>4793136
>the secret to drawing bodies in perspective just boxes and applying your anatomy knowledge/references to them
>is it that simple?
lmao this is like saying "wow so getting a phd in physics is just a matter of studying and taking tests? it's that simple? like ok, you're kind of reducing and simplifying things a bit there. if it was easy everyone would be doing it.

Genesis 3

>>4794143
Job

>>4794150

Hello 4chan! Anyone else love the draftsmen show with ProKoh and Martial Dandruff?

>>4794222
I think I liked the first season better, fsr

>>4788236
linefag here. store doesnt have clear paper to draw on right now so using this.

learning morpho and michael hampton. book seems easier to learn now from when i first got it.

how am i doing

When should I switch to digital?

>>4794309
never

>>4794301
just to add my endgoal is pic related. any advice how i can do this

>>4794309
now

>>4794379
practice

>>4794143
What's with the dutch angle?

>>4794379
go get an anatomy body course in the thread like villpu, proko etc that level should take you around 6 months

>>4794038
i've only seen 0079 and i would like to learn to draw mechs but no not really.

>>4794379
This isnt very high level art. If you practice every day its very achievable.

>>4794435
Tilted perspective

>>4794572
But why?

any critiques? i say this naively and not boastfully but i seriously cant find any problems with this drawing, someone tear it apart please

>>4788236
Need help with this, bros.

>>4794622
is this a man?

>>4794143
Cool tree of life

>>4794587
It is to subtly portray the tilted world they have chosen in light of the path they should have taken.
>>4794639
Thanks

Here’s Jesus in the desert being tempted of the devil

>>4793971
Can I see your adult characters?

>>4794096
Bottom middle looks great

Which one of these has better proportions? I am experimenting with different sizes but I feel they are wrong.

I will draw over some reference photos after this.

>>4794635
Yes anon, have you not watched anime?

>>4793985
Thank you, I didnt know about Houtgengeki's YT channel. I will check it out. Would you recommend that I drop the Huston Course I'm currently trying to get through for Hampton and Vilppu or should I check them out after?

I think it'll take time for me to get used to pen entirely. You mean like ballpoint, fine point or fountainhead?

new thread >>4794873

new thread >>4794873

new thread >>4794873

>>4788236
Am I better off beginning to learn digital or on paper instead? I have a tablet and have a little more knowledge when it comes to the whole layering tricks but hand movements on paper feel a lot more natural to me.
What would you consider the best to exercise on? Thanks!