/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4782080
What are the main differences between the old and new intuos pro?

>>4782080
look at how useless that screen tablet is for the artist who drew OPs art

>>4782089
New intuos pro are designed to burn your nibs down so that you buy replacements often. The old ones had a far smoother surface with nibs you didnt have to replace for years. Wacom figured that was a shitty business direction, and are going the printer route but with apple prices.
>>4782080 For any new artists here, disregard the OP and dont disregard wacom alternatives, especially for screenless tablets. The tech is standardized and not expensive to manufacture, you shouldnt pay more than 150 dollars for a medium sized screenless tablet.

>>4782080
First for /pol shitso!

Dtg was a mistake

>>4782080
>Chinese communism buzzwords

You're American it seems, so I'll let you know that no one fucking cares about your politics and propaganda. We're here to draw.
Please stick to the facts.


3rd party tablets are acceptable but prone to technical issues. Please weigh your budget with what you need for your type of art rather than sponsor posting.

Hate shilling is off topic. Everything comes from China these days so its irrelevant to exclude options from suggestion. Stop being biased.

>>4782086
LMAO if you take a photo of your dick and share it here i'll buy a huion when corona stops being a thing

>>4782097
>you shouldnt pay more than 150 dollars for a medium sized screenless tablet.
For any artists here the activist is lying.

A used intuos pro costs 200$ unless it's in a really bad condition and the budget wacoms are a terrible option, they are very low quality and shitty by design.

Uhh, guys? Looks like we have one intimidating badass here. Better watch yourself, punks.

>>4782117
Suggesting people buy used products wont work in the long run, for painfully obvious reasons. The old intuos pro line arent being built anymore, and theyre depreciating assets.
>>4782116
Faggot lmao. Turning to cocks once you realize your "ur a bugman" hand is spent?

drawing tablet general for autists /dtgfa/

>>4782127
>Suggesting people buy used products wont work in the long run
I don't suggest that.
I suggest that OP is full of shit.

What are people even supposed to get?
Any unused intuos costs 200$ or more on Ebay
If it costs 100$ it's busted as fuck
A brand new intuos pro is a good tablet but overpriced as fuck.

If you aren't gonna pay 350$ your options are basically the shitty Bamboo (Intuos non-pro) or Chinkshit,

And chinkshit is objectively better than bamboo.

>>4782133
Oh, sorry I misunderstood your post.

does anybody even look at the worldbuilding submissions

Thinking of buying a Cintiq QHD.

>>4782146
Is it actually laminated?
If yes go for it
If not - don't go for it.

>>4782154
Laminated screen is overrated tbqh, the air gap is there for a reason, and it still got parallax anyway

>>4782080
400 usd
usa
display
no preference but nothing too small as it causes problems supposedly from my research
pen and paper
I don't care about brands I only expect it to about last 3 years before I can get something more professional

>>4782171
>the air gap is there for a reason,
No reason. Air gap is just a shitty obsolete technology.

Parallax is only a matter of distance between the pen and the pixels, the thinner the glass the lower the parallax.

If you have a significant disconnect between the tip and the drawing it's not even better than a screenless.

>>4782182
Used iPad Pro 12.9" 2nd gen

>>4782182
Kamvas 22, make sure it's the 2020 model
>costs 400$
>decent display
>etched laminated glass
>new pen
The older models are also called Kamvas 22 but the display is non laminated and shitty, and old pens don't feel very good,

>>4782123
it's just K**ebro I recognize those eyes anywhere

>>4782127
Why'd you go onto make a separate thread, Zhang?

>>4782131

>>4782212
Dont need to, the non autist edition is still up
>>4761951

>>4782199
Are you referring to this?
https://www.amazon.com/HUION-Graphics-Battery-Free-Pressure-Adjustable/dp/B08BZ729QJ

Too bad its not prime but I guess I'll take a chance on it, thanks for the recommendation

>>4782080
>under the communist regime
lol cringe fest

>>4782199
from what I can see the 2020 Kamvas 22 is not laminated, unless you spend an extra 100 dollars for the plus version

>>4782230
>>4782283
Whoops I was mistaken.
Kamvas 22 is not actually laminated.
It's the Kamvas 22 Plus that is laminated and etched.
Costs 500$

okay serious non-chinese question
is there an advantage to newer iPads when it comes to latency in using it as an external display via USB?
I'm convinced that a 13 inch iPad is the supreme experience, but I need the ability to use Zbrush and Substance Painter. I also don't want to blow $1000 on a device that will bend.

>>4782377
i'm assuming you're on windows10? there isn't a significant latancy difference between a 2nd gen ipad pro and newer usb-c type ipad pros if that's what you're asking.

Can someone spoon feed me? I literally don't know anything about what I should get.

Currently I've got a MacBook Pro Retina 15" from Late 2013 and a super high DPI mouse. I'm an apparel designer for work so I mostly use Illustrator to create line art and technical drawings of clothing. I want to get a tablet for a bunch of reasons but increased productivity in Illustrator is a big one. I also want to use it for photo editing in Lightroom which I do occasionally. I used to work at a product photography studio like 5 years back and I used a Wacom tablet without a screen at that job to white out the backdrops of photos and use the spot removal tool and it was insanely efficient, I miss it whenever I have to edit a photo with a mouse these days. Lastly I'm trying to get back into illustrating. I want to go back to school and get my MA but the school I'm looking at is super art orientated. Even though it's a fashion program the entrance exam is 2 days of life drawing tests to decide who makes it in.

So I'm doing a lot of traditional pencil work, reading textbooks, taking life drawing classes etc. but I want to get a tablet so I can grind even more often since I'm already on the computer a ton and I'm already super familiar with Photoshop from other art related stuff (I do a bit of graphic design here and there).

Should I get a tablet with or without a screen? Does my monitor have any bearing in this? It's technically a 15" laptop screen, it's cramped but I make do with it. Unsure if it weighs heavy on the tablet decision making. I can get an external monitor if it would really help or open up better tablet options. Are iPads something I should look at? I've pretty much wrote them off but maybe they're perfect for my situation? Totally unsure.

>>4782812
Well yea if you're using macbook then ipad might complement it nicely, especially since you can use it to expand your workspace a la screen tablet

>>4782812
Unfortunately I think your mac is too old for the sidecare feature otherwise getting an ipad pro 12.9 would be an instant solution in your situation.

If you aren't sure and don't want to blow too much money, go on ebay and buy a used intuos3 medium. It's less than $100.

>>4782809
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Or even the 1st gen. Hell I might even settle for a 10 incher if I know I can get the same performance on sidecar...etc
I don't care about whatever gay apps it runs natively, I just need to know if there's any difference in their remote performance.

>>4782089
Reminder that Apple and Wacom are Chinese brands which are made in China.

>>4782089
The old one uses the older wireless feature that wacom has used forever with the usb dongle and battery. the newer one uses bluetooth. Having used both, I'd say that single difference is worth it, the performance via bluetooth has been awesome so far (1 year of use).

>>4782873
Do you really need to bring that up again when the thread are finally being somewhat conducive

>>4782885
Ignore chang, he has a post quota to get rice ration. Replying to him will just get him to post more.

>>4782080
Hello crab. i will buy xp-pen cuz i'm poorfag

There's already a general.

Is a used 2013 intuos for $200 actually worth it or am I getting memed? No one has mentioned anything that makes a huion or xp pen worse other than the one retard spouting memes

>>4782967
> 2020 still thinking of buying a chinktablet
pfffft

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/i08u4b/xppen_artist_pro_156_screenpower_button_not/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hydcwm/xp_pen_133_pro_lag_problem/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hy1ndz/156_pro_stylus_hover_problem/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/hxx0mx/xp_pen_156_pro_issue/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/i4bpu4/xppen_artist_156_pro_cursor_sliding_down_problem/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XPpen/comments/i1kd3n/i_bought_an_xp_pen_artist_pro_22_inches_just/g0196m8/

>>4783022
https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i57bgg/kamvas_13_pen_disconnects_often/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i5vwl3/huion_h420_problem/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i6z4kg/anyone_know_how_to_fixtake_apart_this_pen/
> lol lemme just take apart my pen

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i6yqpe/extra_line_at_end_of_stroke/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i6xdl1/drawing_cursor_skips_across_screen_when_drawing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i6wp2k/pro_24_issues/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i69xma/im_999_sure_i_just_got_scammed_by_huion/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i6ah66/huion_paints_without_touching_the_screen/

https://www.reddit.com/r/huion/comments/i66h1j/kamvas_20_screen_snowflake_issue/

>>4782967
The reason old Wacom is recommended is because they're sturdy and reliable. Modern Wacom and chink garbage are not reliable.

>>4783055
This. When Wacom moved its factories from Japan to China it became no different from any other chinkshit company.

>>4782866
Eh you're asking two difference questions now.
I don't think any windows option gives you as good of a performance as sidecar, that's just apple ecosystem. But to answer your original question, getting a gen2 ipad 12.9 pro isn't going to be a significant latency difference with a newer ipad pro in windows10.

>>4782967
A lot of people will tell you their first tablet was a bamboo they bought before 2013 and it lasted them 8-10 years. They were THAT good.

>>4783139
My 17 year old graphire 3 still works fine.

>>4783139
intuos3 here, still going strong too.

>>4783152
being a lefty, I always loved that the intuos3 had buttons on both sides, not forcing you to flip the tablet. It was a great idea that no one, even wacom, bothered to replicate.

>>4782897
I'm AGAINST chinkshit you bloody fuck. There's just something about made in China products that lower their quality. Honestly Wacom should have moved its factories to India instead of China.

>>4783203
Even if they're manufactured in China, they're still designed in Japan. Because of that alone, they're still better options than the crap designed in China.

>>4783125
See >>4783269

>>4783022
>>4783042
>its worth being three times the price, they said
>its because they have good quality control, they said

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i7039i/whenever_i_hover_over_my_tablet_itll_sometimes/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i6xx6c/cintiq_13_pen_buttons_randomly_start_doing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i6xjyk/intuos_not_powering_on_with_macbook_pro_2019/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i6p2f2/hello_so_i_got_a_question_about_pen_nibs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i6ml1m/brand_new_cintiq_pro_24_no_device_connected/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i6phhd/pressure_sensitive_weak_on_edges_cintiq_22hd/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i5pk6c/wacom_sent_me_a_completely_different_tablet_in_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i60049/driver_wont_install_says_unable_to_install/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i5qz12/cintiq_13hd_led_lights_up_then_turns_off/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i5kzd6/wacom_tablet_pen_not_working_more_info_in_comments/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i553i8/wacom_cintiq_pro13_no_signal_display/

>>4783022
>>4783042

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i4pu96/intuos_3_ptz_631w_setup_problem/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i449bj/weird_jagged_lines_but_i_havent_found_a_working/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i4cfx1/cintq_dtk2200_device_not_connected_going_crazy/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i4bthl/i_cant_fix_my_pencursor/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i3xg0r/very_jagged_lines_on_wacom_bamboo_connect_w_pen/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i42pr7/wacom_one_no_signal/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i45dkh/wacom_cintiq_16_no_signal_power_saving_mode_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i3quf1/do_wacom_tablets_need_to_be_registered_to_use_them/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i3a9z7/cintiq_wont_sync_with_desktop_monitor/

https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/i3bjtq/stylus_dragging/

>>4783303
>>4783306
chang so buttdamaged awwww :(

that was a good run while it lasted, boys. see y'all next thread

>>4783378
>t. paid 200 dollars for a wacom sticker

Ausfag here, worth it?

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/184388368990

cross-posting from >>4761951
>Budget
Hopefully less $200 after applying $125 Amazon giftcard. But definitely less that $500.
>Location
US
>Type
Display
>Size
No idea. Whatever is comfortable
>Other information
I am currently using http://101.wacom.com/UserHelp/en/TOC/CTL-490.html.. I am pretty dissatisfied with the comfort. It's mostly the pen. Any tips on making it comfortable without buying a new tablet would be cool. But comfort is my primary issue. I want to be able to draw well without feeling like every muscle in the ball of my hand is tearing.
>Previous Equipment
http://101.wacom.com/UserHelp/en/TOC/CTL-490.html

Because of the other thread, I was eyeballing the cintique 16. Feel free to talk me down.

>>4783269
>>4783272
The problem is no matter how well it's designed, be it in China or outside of China, the chinks always somehow make it terrible when manufacturing it. The build quality in particular takes a massive hit.

>>4783492
It's an ok option, but you won't get one for $200.
I'd start off with an S6 lite. No parallax.

>>4783598
Well if I use the Amazon gift card, it drops it below $500. https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Drawing-Graphic-Pressure-Levels-DTK2260K0A/dp/B07L77GTTY?th=1

I guess that excludes a pen though?

>>4783603
Or nearly gets it to $500

>>4783492
>Hopefully less $200
>But definitely less that $500.
Make up your mind lol.
>CTL-490
I'm sorrry man, the Wajews just taught you a lesson, the lesson is fuck you.
I remember having a bamboo too, the pen is fucking atrocious wajews have some very good pens but those start at 350$ with intuos pro.

Since your budget is all over the place here's the options
>screenless chink like Deco 01, Deco Pro, Huion hs611. Deco pro has the best pen out of the bunch.
Considering you just got scammed into buying a rebranded bamboo you will be VERY surprised by the chinks and their pens. I was blown the fuck out when I ditched the fucking bamboo, it's atrocious.
>screenful chinks
Something like an Artist Pro 15.6 isn't half bad, a lot of people happily use them.
Brand new Kamvas 22 Plus looks good and the first reviews are glowing.
Make sure not to get an old model by an accident though. Their naming conventions are very confusing.
>intuos Pro
It's the pinnacle of screenless tablets. But the price just isn't reasonable, 350$ for a plastic rectangle, no display, no gyroscopes and it doesn't make you a coffe.
They also retain value like vintage cars. If it's in a good condition it's gonna cost like brand new on ebay.
If it's cheap it's gonna be busted.

On the plus side though you could buy one off ebay, take a shit on it, break it in two and sell it back to ebay for 200$.

>>4783603
>>4783605
I'd still get an S6 Lite. It includes the pen and it's a good beginner tablet.

Also, don't listen to Chang here: >>4783607
He's been shilling and shitposting for the last week. Has no clue what he's talking about.

>>4783607
I appreciate the info. I don't think my budget is all over the place. I had an ideal budget but also included a max in case my budget was too restrictive.

>>4783618
>He's been shilling and shitposting for the last week. Has no clue what he's talking about.

Dude I've been shilling here for years since before anybody heard of Huions.
Hell I might be the reason they are popular on 4chan.

Overpriced S7+ is a disappointment.

>>4783580
Still not buying Huion.

>>4783618
>>4783626
Goddamnit, I wish this shit had a definitive answer rather than back and forth amongst people.

>>4783696
Just read the bottom half of the OP. Do you think this person is giving unbiased advice, not affected anyway by a political leaning? These threads are always going to go to shit and be derailed.

Anyone else try a large intuos and end up going back to a medium? My example would be on the new pro models. It feels perfect for my 24" or 15.6 laptop.

>>4782080
Also, she's drawing herself in this image.
????

>>4783731
Lots of people prefer the medium size. My friend has a large one but uses only a fraction of the active surface

Wacom Intuos Pro Large 2019 new series , not wacom intuos pro Paper
before wacom intuos Art Medium

sorry my english is broken

>>4783607
>Brand new Kamvas 22 Plus looks good and the first reviews are glowing
Yeah, all 2 of them, which are also made by some chinese lmao

>>4783696
Rule of thumb: if it's a Chinese company, don't buy it.

>>4783798
This.

Should I buy XP-Pen Artist15.6 Pro or
Wacom Cintiq 16?

Is there any difference, except the first one is a bit cheaper?

>>4783798
I bought a huion kamvas 13 a few months ago and it's been amazing. Works perfectly.

>>4783832
post photos with your hands

>>4783832
Post pics of it with your dick too anon, haha

>>4783822
Cintiq is non-laminated while artist pro has the glass actually glued to the screen

>>4783822
With the cintiq, you get the pro pen 2, which is the best pen on the market alongside the apple pencil. Has the most consistent strokes and working tilt. Chink pens are garbage by comparison mainly because of wobbly nibs and dysfunctional tilt. Chinkblets are also not calibrated.

>>4783303
1989 tiananmen square

>>4783867
11.09.2001 Mc.Donalds

Thoughts on the Wacom Art Pen?

>>4783947
Good for barrel rotation.

Is the Intuos 3 chadblet tier?

>>4784033
Intuos 3 is obsolete tier.

>>4783875
rape of nanking

Is the Intuos 4 a good option?

>>4784086
Depending on how fucked up it is.
Also beware of Mini-usb connectors, they are destined to fail.

>>4783832
post it with your lips

>>4784086
why did wacom remove the LCD near the express keys?

>>4784108
Because it costs money

>>4783832
I'll post my work if you record yourself drawing on your tablet while it's sitting on your lap

>>4784137
but....

>>4784108
Nobody cares about express keys, chang. The industry standard is working with a keyboard.

>>4784520
I don't use express keys either. I'm just wondering why the newer models don't have it.

>>4784526
Cost cutting.

Will there ever be a 2in1 notebook with specs like the galaxy tab s7?
> 120hz
> EMR tech
> Portable

I just want a good portable device where I can draw and run a real operating system on...

>>4784679
No.
Nobody is going to develop a device specifically for your personal brand of autism.

>>4782080
>tilted under at least 15 degrees desk
>monitor and other shit is not sliding down in her face

what a shit drawing

>>4784943
Maybe the room is tilted towards the desk

>>4782080
Is this a good price?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wacom-Cintiq-22HD-DTK-2200-Grafiktablet-21-5-1920x1080-Stand/313063070131?epid=144237410&hash=item48e40359b3%3Ag%3AXawAAOSw-gBe2jCS&LH_ItemCondition=3000

is the Topaz SignatureGem 1x5" a decent cintiq alternative for $400?
also, is it worth the upgrade to the 4x5" for $200 more?

>>4782080
So everyone of these /dtg/ threads is just that OP autist that reeee's whenever anyone mentions something that's not wacom, gets btfo by some anon and then starts calling everyone chinese names? Who put this retard in charge, is he a mod that's been payed by wacom or wtf is going on here? I've seen this exact same shit in at least 4 threads by now

>>4785202
eh, buy it price isn't terrible but the shipping is pretty high.

>>4785266
go back to your safespace board chang

the friend of a friend sells his Cintiq 21UX dtz 2100 for 300 usd. Even includes a airbrush pen.
of course, he tolds me that he purchased it in 2008.
Should I go for it?

>>4785319
$300 sounds like money to experiment with it, but I wouldn't recomend it. Too bulky, heavy, cannot change cables, needs too much electricity, and it gives a lot of problems. I had one for at least 9 years and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

>>4785330
wath about the next one: the DTK 2100?

>>4785330
I want to buy a 2nd hand Cintiq 24HD but I cannot find anyone here in Mex. Even in Ebay USA.

>>4785319
That's not a bad price. Obviously check it out irl including hooking it up and working. Make sure the center surface isn't over scratched up.

>>4783674
Me neither. Nor will I buy chink made Wacoms. I'll buy a Japanese made one or wait for them to open a factory in India or something.

>>4785335
Well I didn't looked at the picture but, this is the model I own. It's escencially the same thing, with the difference being the buttons adn a scroll thing in the back. Wouldn't buy it either.

>>4785314
Pyw you don't even draw you fake fuck

Review of Kamvas 24 Pro is out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1MQBwPb0fs

Looks like it's the new king.

>>4785523
why is he saying that there is no difference between the lamination on huion and xp-pen?

Imagine paying hundreds of dollars for an oversized tablet for you to draw like shit, give up, and shitpost on 4chan instead

>>4785266
Don't care, Zhang. Still not buying Huion.

>>4785523
Sorry Chink, Brad Colbow has already said he agrees with Aaron Rutten and says everything he said about Chinese brands is 100% correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

>>4785266
The non autism edition is here

>>4761951

>>4785664
>non autism edition
You keep saying this like that desperate little idiot you are. That thread's been up for days, yet people continue to use these ones.

Just face it bugman, nobody wants to post in your Huion marketing thread.

LOL I put a small pit of pam on my tablet so my hand drags perfectly and doesn't stagger from friction and doesn't stop and so when i do a curve i don't end up with a jaggy line!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHE1__TMyvI

alright niggers what do y'all think the catch of that kamvas 22 thing is gonna be? besides the usual chinese shit of course
400 bucks for a 22" tablet is way too fucking cheap, even by chinkshit standards

>>4785977
>the catch
The catch is that only the 500$ Plus model is cool with etched laminated glass, new pen and all.
>400 bucks for a 22" tablet is way too fucking cheap
500$ buy a large professional 4k monitor from HP or Benq but this is a small 1080p monitor.

Huge fucking margins if you ask me.

>>4785266
>Who put this retard in charge,
He just creates new threads before the old thread is dead.

>>4785977
All Chinkblets have garbage pens with inconsistent pressure, wobbly nibs and shit tilt. This is because they're all manufactured by the same chink company, Ugee.

>>4785886
what tablet is that?

>>4786116
Much better than the shit Wacom ships with the Bamboo tablets though,

>>4786086
>The catch is that only the 500$ Plus model is cool
idk man, there's gotta be more. i mean it's even cheaper than their similar 20" model

>500$ buy a large professional 4k monitor from HP or Benq
those doesn't come with digitizer though

>>4786116
yeah, i know, hence the
>besides the usual chinese shit of course

also are you literally incapable of saying anything else? i swear to fucking god i've seen you posting those words in that exact order like 3 times now

>>4786153
>i mean it's even cheaper than their similar 20" model
That model has side buttons, touch sliders and what not, this is just a monitor with no extras.

Thoughts on the Mobile Studio Pro?

>>4786326
Its bad

>>4786331
Why?

>>4785390
Could you tell me what is it exactly the things that annoying you?

so is the galaxy tab plus or whatever actually comperable to the ipad 12.9?
I want to get a larger tablet and I prefer android's system overall to iOS but if the iPad is superior I'd go with that

I've a galaxy note with the stylus and like it, just can't decide if anytihng on android is actually as good as procreate

>>4786349
>larger
>12.9
KEK
>just can't decide if anytihng on android is actually as good as procreate
Take a look at infinite painter, the mobile zoomers seem to praise it.

>>4786349
>just can't decide if anytihng on android is actually as good as procreate
You have CSP coming in a few days
https://www.celsys.co.jp/en/topic/2020080601

>>4782080
>Budget
500 USD willing to go more if it'll actually lead to bang for my buck
>Location
US
>Type
Display
>Size
13"-14" is about the max my desk can fit, no smaller than 8"
>Extra info
I really just need a new tablet since huion just doesn't like my computer so my old tablet just wont connect like at all anymore. i wanted to try a display but if it works is the the most important factor
>previous equipment
Huion h610 pro (drivers never work now)
Huion Kamvas 13 (same problem the device constantly says never connects and i'm tired of trying so i'm in the process of returned it)

>>4786421
Used iPad Pro 12.9 2nd gen. Abandon the Desktop connectivity, you won't regret it.

>>4786423
thanks man, is the samsung recommended by the OP also good?
it's a good price and i know i said 500+ for budget but man are I pads expensive.
(and could either run something like csp?)

>>4786421
>Huion Kamvas 13 (same problem the device constantly says never connects and i'm tired of trying so i'm in the process of returned it)
We told you bro, we told you about huions
We told you, dawg

>>4786432
That's why you buy used iPads. They're well made so long as you don't try to bend them and should last a long time.

The Galaxy S6 Lite is also good if you don't mind the smaller form factor and worse software selection. Probably the best bang for your buck display tab on the market right now.

>>4786459
i didn't check these threads until after everything exploded
i really should have though
>>4786464
thanks, i actually just saw CSP is coming to galaxy so what perfect timing (hopefully the mobile version will be around as good as the desktop), also is there anything else i should grab with it like pen wise or other accessories?
thanks a ton in advance, after the headache that was dealing with huion this feels so good to be able to figure this shit out nicely

>>4786472
If it's like the iPad version, it's literally just the desktop app ported to a portable tablet. CSP fans love it, others prefer software that is better optimized for the hardware like Procreate for the iPad, or Infinite Painter for Android.

It's also worth keeping in mind that Android got Krita somewhat recently (2-3 months back). Like CSP, it's basically the desktop app ported to Android, but with some gesture controls. It's still a powerful, pro-level drawing application though.

One more bonus for Android is superDisplay. It lets you use the tablet as a PC display tablet for desktop with USB-C connection, and actually works pretty damn well. I had a much better time with it than I did with the iPad equivalents, which are all subscription-based.

>>4786421
>since huion just doesn't like my computer
I really think this problem can be solved. What are you going to blow 500$ rather than fiddle a bit? The worst case scenario you reinstall the windows which saves you 500$ over 1 hour of looking at the progress bar.

1 Do you have the drivers for the both of the devices installed in the same time? AFAIK the drivers for the ancient h610 and Kamvas are different and they don't get along

Try just purging everything and installing the latest just for the Kamvas.
Also it was a long time since I used a Huion but I remember it wouldn't install correctly unless you rung the installation with "Run as Administrator".

2 If it's not the driver it's the cable. Check different cables, maybe a different cable will sit tight, boot from a Ubuntu live-usb just to see if it detects the device and it's technically functional.

3 fucking think what did you do when it stopped working, was it something you did? Did the Windows update? Scratch your fucking head man.

>>4786502
Piss off chink.

>>4786502
no update, it just stopped working
it wouldn't connect at all no matter what if by some rare chance it did the pressure would never work
it could never be detected and this wasn't like after a windows update it's just out of the blue i checked basically every corner
i used most of my time off to figure this shit out when it should have been used to actually be drawing
i just chocked it up to the old tablet being well old, and got a new one since i wanted a display tablet anyway
i got the display tablet and similar issues happened, no matter which date of driver i installed uninstalled etc. it would just randomly disconnect and would be a gamble to get it connect again.
and any time i tried to get any help about it the support was basically just lol did you try turning off and on again, or redoing the drivers for the 27th time
i've tried cables, tried changing how the power was being distributed etc.

>>4786531
Well maybe the device is actually dead.
If it uses a micro-usb I wouldn't be surprised.

>>4786561
i JUST got the kamvas though, like on friday

>>4786561
>huion tab unsurprisingly turns out to be a dud
>"I-it's must be the micro usb!!"
My ancient CTH480 uses micro usb and it still works to this fucking day. Just face it, huions a shit

>wear half glove thing that comes with tablet
>hand turns numb

guys i think i'n dying

>>4786592
Then it's definitely a software issue on your end. Reinstalling the Windows from scratch must help.
If you want to be sure about that you might try making a second parallel windows installation to test if it works and if it does - then you do the full reinstall,

second time my xp-pen artist 12 needs replacement. I just gave up and got an old intuos, will come in next week.
Sucks that the tablet industry is becoming like the phone one, you're just expected to replace it every few years.

>>4786648
im just surprised there’s still no solid option for display tablets.
wacom’s quality control has really went downhill over the past few years.
their pro 13+16 models were $1,000+ and had shitload of problems causing them to be discontinued.
xp pen+huion sell display tablets with decent specs for good prices but you gamble with hardware issues hoping they last for more than a few months.

So is huion a meme?
Should i just get wacom?

I've been using this thing for years and I'm quite comfortable with it. Does a proper screen tablet speed up the drawing process enough to make it a necessary purchase eventually?

>>4786914
If you grew comfortable with a screenless and have an intuos pro you have reached the summit, nowhere up from there.

>>4786908
The only wacom worth buying is Wacom Pro.
If you can afford it - go for it.
If you go with the budget Wacoms you will regret it.

>>4786838
It seems like it's a technology that is hard to master. Yet Apple did it in a few years just fine. I can't pathom passing to pad, though, you can only use some programs with it, which are limited and/or subscription based, and have to pass your artwork to desktop to post it/archive it.

>>4786923
I need a portable screen tablet.
Is huion kamvas 13 good, or is there something slightly larger?

>>4786952
Used iPad Pro 12.9" 2nd gen

Don't buy Huion.

>>4786953
But i want to use SAI so badly.
It doesnt work in ipad.

>>4786958
Then get an S6 Lite or wait for the S7+.

superDisplay is the best app for using a portable tablet as a Desktop Tablet. I got virtually no lag using SAI on my S6 Lite.

>>4786974
Whats the point in getting a screen tablet if youre just going to use it as a desktop tablet?

What's a easy to use tablet would you recommend for a /beg/ anons

>>4786952
Kamvas 13 is OK so is the Artist 13 and 16.

>>4786986
Intuos Pro Medium or Xp-Pen Deco 01/Pro.
Avoid the Bamboo (intuos non-pro) like plague.

I'm currently working in a Intuos Pro M but I have the curiosity of test a Large.

Any advantage in the intuos Pro Large over the Medium size?

>>4787130
I forget mentioned. My monitor is a LG 21". Any advantage if I upgrade it into a 27"?

>>4782080
Thank god for this thread.
I was about to buy a surface book today.
I have a samsung galaxy note phone I can't say the pen pressure is that remarkable enough to buy a display tablet computer for it, but is that it? My only choices are an iPad, a microsoft surface, a samsung galaxy tablet?
My pockets are extremely deep. I'm ready to spent like $60k on a new battle station to draw shitty stick figures on. I want photoshop to run as smooth as if it was at the developers studio. I have a 7 year old cintiq 22 but if that's really the best money can buy I'm not so sure. Cintiq's color profiles decay over time.

>>4786914
Theres no benefit to screen tablets I only had to buy one out of necessity because craning my neck from screen less was hurting me. Computer monitors have superior color profiles if you have a good posture you truly have reached the summit

>>4787130
>>4787136
I know many people are uncomfortable with the large, it demands too much shoulder movement, maybe somebody who actually paints on huge canvas would feel at home but my friend doesn't even use the whole active area of his large.

>>4787136
The thing that can actually fuck you up is bad colors, if your colors are shit your art is gonna look like shit.
The size and resolution of your monitor aren't essential but boy they definitely are a treat to enjoy.
Take a look at the 27 an 32" 4k monitors you will beable to fit all of the tools and references and shit on the screen and you are just going to love it.
Seriously my AOC u3277pwqu just makes me happy every day, such an eye candy.
There's an entire segment of 500$ prosumer monitor for photo enthusiasts.

>>4787153
>craning my neck
Hit the gym i'm fucking serious. A couple months of doing some chest pulls will obtain you a perfect posture and an inch of height.

>>4786921
>>4787153
Thanks, I was afraid I'd one day have to go for one of these huge ass cintiqs that cost like a few grand.

>>4786979
>screen tablet
>use it as a desktop tablet
Do you know how stupid you sound? Get your terminology right, dumbass.

>>4787148
If money is not an issue, you might as well get the Cintiq Pro 24. The drawing experience will be first class, and if you run into a defect, you can just pay for postage and repairs, if not just replace it.

>>4787148
I double the guy who suggests getting a new Cintiq Pro
It is as good as the tablets get the colors on them are movie mastering good and the newer displays don't deteriorate as quickly as the older ones.

>>4786974
I got virtually no pen pressure using sai on my note 4

>>4786914
I'm the one who bought a kamvas 13...
I used intuos tablets for over 20 years and only recently got the kamvas screen tablet and I can say that YES it does make a difference. There's always that bit of disconnect and you have to really focus on the cursor to make sure you're drawing where you want, which can be made more difficult when using small cursors or over busy art where it gets lost. If you're a "real" artist who actually does have experience drawing on a real sheet of paper, it feels just like it and is much easier to accurately pinpoint your strokes. I don't have to think about it as much as I used to with a regular tablet because it's just more natural to actually be looking down at where you're drawing.
Buying a screen tablet actually inspired me to draw more because I'm enjoying it so much more.

>buy cheap xp pen screen tablet
>drop it five inches
>connection port totally busted, screen only produces noise
Bravo China.

When is the Cintiq Pro 24 getting refreshed? If it's not soon then the Xp-Pen/Huion 24 inchers are tempting me.

>>4782080
>$500 usd and $100 usd
>USA (Preferably amazon for hassle free returns)
>500 budget for display and 100 for non display
never used a display tablet before and the non display is a gift

>>4787509
post pics

>>4787615
adding to this, my current desk is literally unusable for anything not a keyboard or monitor it is simply too narrow I would need to buy a new desk as well, preferably around 100-200 if anyone can recommend anything

>>4787332
This desu

>>4786974
Youre full of shit, post video of your s6 lite showing SAI with working pressure

>>4782080
why is there always 2 tablet threads?

and both are filled with shizo posting

>>4787761
one OP recommends chinese tablets, the other doesn't
literally the only difference

>>4787761
One is the Huion marketing thread, this one isn't.

>>4787761
There's a schizo /pol/ anon (or wacom employee, it's not yet clear) who doesn't even draw, has a vendetta against all chinese products and makes the same thread over and over.

>>4787764
it's useless since people end up discussing both wacom and wacom alternatives in both threads anyway.

>>4785591
That's okay. Could you shut the fuck up now?

>>4787761

because people get upset over money and not affording thing X, literally if money wouldn't be an object everyone here would be using wacom products

FYI Wacom Intuos Pro is $100 off. Too bad I bought mine just a few weeks ago.

>>4788209
Where are they $100 off?

Should I buy an S6 Lite or wait for the S7?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEQzdF0cOmg

>>4788169
>if reality were different, things wouldnt be the same.

Too bad in this reality, the latest intuos pros have glaring issues which really make the price look awful. Wacom needs to step up their shit and stop going for le premium meme. The intuos pro medium isnt twice the price of its competition. Its not three times the price. its not even four times the price. Its fucking 4.6 times the price. That is absurd.

>the company sent me this tablet for free, but this is not a paid review guys hehe ;)
WHY THE FUCK DOES TABLET REVIEWERS KEEP SAYING THIS?

>>4788978
it's in the contract, duh

>>4788978
You have to say it for legal reasons in the US if I recall their laws. Its fraudulent to take payment of any kind in exchange for testimonials.
Free gifted items are a grey area for that. Its fine as long as the person clarifies they were not gifted it on the basis they would be in exchange fore a positive review.

Otherwise is a marathon of gathering proof and whatnot. Its not worth the hassle so its easier to say the line.

>>4787509
Which tablet? I can see that possibly for the smaller displays. I had a Artist 10 I had to sell because I forced the cable wrong and killed the screen which I think is why the Artist Pros were released soon after.

Reminder to never listen to chink shills.

>>4788800
So what you're saying is that even if your chinese tablet only lasts a year, you could just buy another new one every year and get 5 years out of them, getting a newer/better model each year, for about the same price as one wacom (which may break during those 5 years)
It's a compelling argument. There's no reason why after all these years of being the master in their field, they can't bring down the price per unit of their products, which are essentially made up of cheap plastic and electronics, same as any other brand.

>>4789312
Pretty much. And if you treat it carefully, the chances than your tablet will just break are very slim. Its a very simple piece of technology with no moving parts. As long as you dont throw it around like a retard, even the cheapest tablet will probably last you 5+ years.

>>4789312
You know they don't actually break every year.
My Deco 01 served for 2 and is still fine, I got Deco Pro because it's cool and it's gonna hit 2 soon as well.

Just today I was looking as getting a new intuos to try if it's smoother and finer and fancier, looked again at the price
>pro med
>2 inches smaller than Deco pro
>400$
>Pro large that's same size
>500$
>old intuos from somebody who claims to haven't used it
>MINI USB, a fucking mini USB
>300$
>Art pen
>2000 levels, released 10 years ago
>100$
>A large with an art pen would cost 600$ + shipping

Fuck that, there's absolutely no excuse for such pricing. What's there to warrant such price? Is it some ultralight machined titanium, some super advanced technology? Does it make me a coffe? Can it suck my dick? No it's just a PCB with barely any components on it, here's your 600$ worth of green goodness.

They deserver to get fucked by the chinks.

>>4789444
don't disagree, but I found a previous intuos M model unused on ebay and it was the same price as deco pro, so I went for the intuos. Whenever a tablet disappoints me I switch to another brand. Current wacom is total shit all around, tho.

>>4789477
I was staring at one today, but man, the fucking MINI USB is a deal breaker for me.
I refuse to touch anything other than type-C
I was traumatized by too many smartphones, cameras and devices dying from the port failure.

>>4789490
a friend of mine just glued the thing and it worked for a decade, but I'm not sure how you can do it without ruining it.

>>4789513
Anyway what's so terrible about the latest Wacoms except paranoia around the quality? If it feels good and nice and fancy I might just grab one on the next time I have an episode.

>>4789526
The surface is incredibly rough. Its to emulate paper but in reality its to force you to buy nibs more frequently. The evidence for this is mainly that A, they changed the design of the nibs so that older nibs that customers will already have a ton spare of wont work on the new tablets. There is no practical reason to do this at all, other than to ensure that they have to buy the new nibs. And B, Wacom werent in enough contact with their customers since people would just buy their tablet and it would work virtually forever with no issue. This means its a single purchase and they get no repeat customers. So a remedy to this is to go the printer direction, which is to keep in contact with the consumer by means of making them purchase a solution to a problem Wacom engineered into the tablet over and over and over again. If you want to introduce different surface textures, an obvious direction would be to simple manufacture different tablet models each with its own surface, aka As, with smooth surface, Bs, with slightly grippier surface, and Cs with very rough surfaces. But Wacom didnt want to do that because then people would just buy the smooth ones and their nib tactic wouldnt work. So instead they gave us this 40 euro plastic sheet option, which while reducing the wear, STILL wears your nibs down. And keep in mind that with the sheet, youve spent almost 400 euros on a screenless tablet. Id rather buy an RTX 2070.

>>4789559
Well the friction actually makes drawing easier, and the issue of wear is actually a matter of nibs, Deco pro is rough AF too but the nibs are made out of normal hard plastic, serve very long and are sold in the bags of 100 rather than 10.

>>4789572
I guess its down to preference. Im used to smooth surface tablets so I can really glide my pen and move with fluidity for my painting. But indeed, xp pen showers you with spares and they burn very slowly.

>>4782080
Whats the deal with the Huion Kamvas 22 plus? It seems to be a really good tablet for its price but it just came out and I'm worried there hasn't been enough tie for reviews to come in. Does anyone know anything about it?
Also since this thread is clearly run by Wacom's marketing team why shouldn't I buy huion?

>>4782080
Bought a kamvas 13 (2020) today for 260 dollars off of amazon, I'm more interested in the kamvas 22 plus for 500 bux

>>4790166
fuck i sent too early, is there a general run down of what i should be testing/running through on the tablet to make sure it's working properly? This is my first display tablet. Main reason i didn't get the 22 plus is the lack of reviews/fast shipping, the fucking amazon page said i'd get it in september

>>4789876
It's chinese garbage.

>>4790171
You're already stuffed. This is what you deserve for being stupid enough to buy unreliable Huion trash.

>>4790422
are you retarded? amazon has 0 hassle returns

are wacoms white nibs supposed to be really squeaky? the black ones are fine, is it because of the smooth texture mat?

>>4790439
>amazon
Idiot

>>4790903
Different poster than who you're referring to, but you're the idiot. Amazon has become the most consumer-friendly company I've ever heard of as far as returns, refunds, offering credit to compensate for any grief you've gotten with their vendors, etc. And it happens in minutes. I've had issues and have gotten credit, money back, returns within five minutes of either a call or chat.

Just gonna share my experience.
I've had my Huion Kamvas Pro 16 for about a year now. It's still going like it's brand new even though I've drawn every day pretty much, I haven't changed its calibration, I've been using it as it is from factory. I don't really have any gripes with it so far, except maybe wish I had a bigger desk, but that's just me.
This is my first display tablet, so most likely there are way better options like mentioned in the OP. That is all.
Also does anyone use those buttons/shortcuts? I feel like there are so few, I just don't bother and use my keyboard for the many shortcuts I already know of.

i want huion marketers to leave

>>4791260
Keep wanting bitch nigga

Is there a big discount on ipad in Amazon at black friday? I'm planning to buy 7th generation ipad.

>>4791149 Unless you pay $100+ in shipping and customs then you are fucked. I got fucked by buying a Huion Kamvas Pro 16. It has:
Ghosting issues (lag)
Terrible spongy squeaky pen. You have to use it 90 degrees from the screen so it can stop squeaking. It's not just the sound but you also feel that buzzing feeling when it's going inside and out the pen.
Tilt is a meme. Literally. Not only it's not usable but it messes up brushes. And when you finally turn it off you realize that tilt ruins calibration by 3 cm sometimes.
Smooth surface (combined with wobbly nib, say goodbye to control)
Uneven pressure levels. Not acceptable. The pressure blows suddenly when the nib goes inside the pen and suddenly is lowered when it comes out.
Pen feels cheap
Drivers are stupid outside photoshop.

Pros:
Nice colors on the screen and nice aluminum back, feels premium ironically

>>4791268
so you admit you're a marketer? cool, i apprciate your honesty

>>4791282

>>4791270
There should be a new 10.8 Ipad Air released by then.
Laminated screen and hopefully works with Pencil 2.

>>4791284
Post your ass with a Chinese flag in it and I will leave, for a couple hours.

I have a question:
I think about buying a thinkpad x220 tablet for drawing and programming on the go and heard that it has prallax.
Is the cause of the parallax the pen or the notebook?
Could it be removed by buying another pen or is just the one pen supported?

>>4791321
It's a bad idea in general, the included digitizer isn't any good.

Parallax means the distance between the pen and the pixels. Even if it's dead on accurate and perfect you would see them apart while looking from the side.

>>4791358
Ah, I didn't knew that. Thanks for clarification.
What other 2in1 solutions are recommended?
As far as I know it would be better to get one with EMR?

>>4791387
There's an insane EMR shill running around. But in fact emrs on the market are terrible, surface an the likes of it are fucking awful.

I would recommend either an iPad, a Samsung or just get a screenless tablet for your laptop.

lads dunno where to post this but.

overhand grip is really the only way i feel comfortable drawing, i want to get into digital art but can i use overhand grip with a tablet? or am i fucked

>>4791945
Not really
Just be a trad chad bro

>>4791397
>programming on the go
>>4791321
if you have the money look into latitudes 2 in 1 with 8gth gen cpu,
if not/you want meme thinkpad keyboard go for x200/x201/x230 tablet I heard quite good things about them (from furry artist in thinkpad chat kek)

>>4791282
I've had no problems with Amazon even on items that were 20 bucks. Don't know why you're having such an issue.
Ghosting sounds more like a problem with your video card or HDMI cable.
My pen also squeaked a bit the first day I was using it, then I guess it got worked in and it doesn't squeak anymore.
Some releases are better than others. Check the reviews and comparisons to make sure you get the ones with the good screens, pens, whatever.
Did you uninstall any other tablet drivers like wacom ones? I did that and have never had an issue. I was even reluctant to do it because I have a small screenless wacom that I thought I might still want to use, but as it turns out I got my Huion 5 months ago and have never touched my Wacom since. Still love Wacom, I've used them for over 20 years at work and home, but right now I think I'll be using my Huion until it dies.

>>4791945
With an iPad Pro probably.

>>4791282
thats spooky as hell anon but thankfully the tablet i bought came out 3 or 4 months ago and hopefully they ironed out most of the issues, seems to be the case anyway.
Anyway, prime shipping, as long as you list the item as defective and list why its defective, amazon does not charge for returns at all

my display arrives tomorrow
very excited

>>4789444
The 2-in-1 took over.
Most normies don't have desktops anymore. They buy a laptop for college and that's it. Today's artists don't actually use separate drawing pads, screen or otherwise. They just use their ebin yoga/surface/whatever.
Because of this, Wacom and the chinks have the market by the balls. It's so niche that they can charge whatever they want and improve upon nothing. Wacom can price them for the boomers who run animation studios and want the same old shit they've used since 2002. Studios don't care about blowing $3000 on a display, since they spend ten times that on post-it notes and staples every year.
And chinese mongrels lick up whatever patents are set to expire each year for a quick buck, which just makes things worse. Their entire pricing model is "wacom but -$100 msrp" without regard to anything else.
It's funny how AES displays, which cost more money to produce per square inch than EMR, are actually cheaper than EMR displays as long as there's a 2-in-1 attached to it. Because that's where the competition is.

>>4791321
x220t user here, it's my daily driver.
It has parallax because there's an air gap between the glass and the digitizer. But it also has cursor drift because of shitty default drivers. You have to hunt down the one version of the Wacom Feel Driver with extended calibration that still allows touch, which Wacom took off their website 6 years ago. Even with this, the edges are wildly inaccurate, but at least the center is good. It's also fucking fat as shit, but that's a plus in my book.
The real killer is the resolution. It's insanely small. You have to draw a very particular way to be able to use it for anything. It also ghosts.
For the $200 you can get them for, it's worth it. I've definitely gotten my money's worth. But I mostly use it for Zbrush. I couldn't imagine being a landscape artist or something.

hello /dtg/
I'm a longtime bamboo (medium) user, looking for a replacement because it's gone to shit and doesn't work on Mac anymore.
I prefer screenless tablets. What would you guys recommend?
Also how much better is new intuos pro compared to old ass bamboo? (or its competitor such as deco pro or h610)

>>4791270
its usually like $50-80 off. or other electronic stores will sell you at the same price but with a $100 giftcard or something

>>4792963
I just got it, I’d say it’s worth it.
1) Usb-c, haven’t had any connection issues over the past year since i got it, like some people have complained with the micro-usb in past models.
2) Bluetooth works well, better than the wireless thing that wacom has used in the past too.

>>4791397
Anon, surface pro doesn't use emr. Samsung dies so you're either trolling or confused

>>4792727
do you mean the 7.3.2 version?
the german thinkwiki links to this driver

What's a good option to update from a h1060p if I want screenless?
I was thinking that maybe the xp-pen deco pro medium or the deco 01 v2 are good options, but I'm not sure.

>>4793852
They are good options, yes. If you prefer a smoother surface, the H610 V2 might be more up your alley, but stats wise theyre all virtually the same. Ive found that huion stylus have a teeny bit more spring to them than the xp pen ones, which I personally prefer.

>>4793852
>>4793871
Chink tablets are, and always will be hot garbage.

>>4793880
Just because you got suckered into spending 200 dollars for a fucking sticker doesnt mean other people have to.

>>4794006
>>4793880
hey niggers why don't you two just 1v1 irl or some shit and be done with it already, so we can finally discuss tablets in peace

>>4794043
These threads are going to be shit so long as the OP remains polbait. Get comfortable or dont bother enter.

My newly bought huion kamvas 16 has a red light and no signal on the screen.
What the fuck do i do?

>>4792715
>Most normies don't have desktops anymore

The normies are the human cattle everybody with a brain is milking, they aren't drawing, creating or making anything, they mop the floor at Mc Donalds and pay and subscribe to the actually interesting and meaningful people.

Why the fuck do you care what the normies are doing.

>>4793062
>. Samsung dies so you're either trolling or confused
Oh right I confused the acronims. I thought it was about those electrostatic pieces of Lenovo shit again.

The electrostatic technology sounds like it would be better on paper, but the actual products on the market are currently dogshit.

So, lemme get this straight:
Avoid chinkshit screen tablets outright, ipad or Tab s6 lite for entry tier, Cintiq 22HD if you can afford it.
Used Wacom tablets, or cheap chinkshit screenless tablets are okay for uncommitted poorfags, but don't expect the chinkshit to last for more than a year, and used wacom tablets can be dubious(is this right? is it the connectors?). Otherwise, get a proper 'Pro' Wacom.

Anything off or missing?

>>4794687
>Anything off or missing?
Your pills.

>>4794687
Chinkshit will last for way more than one year, it depends on how careful you are with electronics. The highest quality waste of money will break in a month if you throw it around like a retard

>>4782080
my budget is $300-$400 what should i get, ipad or the tab s6?

>>4794459
ES is genuinely phenomenal. People areally quick to scream jitter, but in practice you don't notice it. How often do you draw perfectly straight diagonal lines as slow as molasses?
Even without Lazy Nezumi, it's totally fine.
This board is infested with two kinds of electrostatic haters: people with the haplogroup O-M122, and people who played with the old garbage N-trig surface pro.

>>4794783
>ES is genuinely phenomenal.
Dude, the performance I've seen in the video in worse than anything Huion had to offer 10 years ago when their pens too had batteries in them.

Maybe the device works and you can draw with it, Hell you can draw with anything, old ba,boos are ATRROCIOUS and they produced a lot of cool art, but the reviewers are obviously paid shills.

What so fucking phenomenal about the thing? The pressure sensor is so bad I can see it over a YouTube video. Like really why the fuck are you so ecstatic about the thing?

xp pen is having a 15th anniversary sale.
innovator 16 is $400

>>4795079
>the thing
Excuse me? what "thing" are you talking about?
There are more ES digitizers on the market than EMR digitizers, even counting the Baskin Robbins 31 flavors of chinkshit.
HP makes some with Microsoft/USI.
Lenovo makes some with Wacom AES/USI.
Dell makes some with Wacom AES.
Microsoft makes some with themselves (formerly N-Trig).
Asus makes some with Microsoft/USI
Acer makes some with Elan/Synaptics/Microsoft/USI (and exactly one $9000 workstation with Wacom EMR)
LG makes some with Wacom AES.
Every single major laptop brand and most minor brands exclusively use ES. There are literally hundreds of models on the market, and this doesn't even count all in ones like the surface studio...etc. Plus Apple has the iPad.
Samsung seem to be the only legitimate company that hasn't transitioned to ES, probably because they have a major stake in the licensing for EMR. Even Wacom has more varieties of AES than they do EMR these days. The only companies that exclusively produce EMR displays are random chink startups.
Why would every legitimate company switch to ES?
Is it because it's cheaper to produce ES than EMR? Arr they cutting costs? No. ES is actually much more expensive than EMR.
So why has every company in the world decided to make the switch? Why would they benefit if it was actually as bad as you say?
Maybe it's because ES tech is more than sufficient for art. The workarounds to get EMR to play nice (HUGE bezels, insane driver support) are just not worthwhile, and the literal one downside of ES isn't noticeable in practice. Maybe it's actually an upgrade.
But no, your one glance at a youtube video is more valuable than all the R&D and board meetings from every multi-billion dollar tech company on the market. You know more about it than they do.

>>4795140
>So why has every company in the world decided to make the switch?
Because it can be integrated with a touchscreen and doesn't make the device thicker.
>Maybe it's because ES tech is more than sufficient for art.
A 60$ huion is sufficient for art. Hell even the accursed Bamboo can draw.
But hey what if I want my device feel like my hand is being kissed by the angels, If i'm going to pay for it it better feel fucking good to use.
>HUGE bezels
How is it a downside for a drawing surface? If anything it's room to rest your hand.
>driver
everything requires a driver. At least the EMR drivers are mature.
>Maybe it's actually an upgrade.
How is it better FOR THE USER? I'm not making them, I;m buying, i don't want a cheaper POS, i want a better fancier
>board meetings from every multi-billion dollar tech company on the market
tool.
How many artists are they having on the board? All the board is concerned with is profit margins so they add a pen gimmick for the normies to play around with and don't even bother advertising to the artists. From their point of view it's a normie toy gadget to play with a pen and say "neat" about it.

>>4794687
for the most-part, you've got it.

But don't lump all old wacoms in the same category. The older intuos3 and wired graphires are better than any of the more recent intuos with micro-usb connectors just due to durability. Since you can get them for below $70, it's an easy recommendation for beginners. And unlike chinkshit garbage, they aren't built poorly so they'll last you for several years.

The other major consideration is getting the right tablet size, medium. Not small, not large. Medium is the perfect size for portability and ergonomics.

>>4794746
Unless you can find a 2nd gen ipad pro with stylus for $400, the tab S6 lite is the only option you have at that budget.

>>4795163
>Because it can be integrated with a touchscreen and doesn't make the device thicker
EMR can be integrated with a touchscreen and doesn't make the device thicker. See any razor thin Samsung notebook. Are you being ridiculous in purpose?
Perhaps you're confused because Wacom intentionally restricts touch to some Cintiq models in order to have something to sell. Touchscreens are the cheapest damn thing in the world to make these days, and neither EMR nor ES are especially bulky. Seriously, what did you mean by this?
>all the board is concerned with is profit margins
If they are only concerned with margins, then why would they all start using a MORE EXPENSIVE technology? Why would they cut into their own margins for no benefit? Worse yet, for what you claim is a negative benefit?
How do you explain this paradox? How do you explain every major, publicly traded, and extremely profitable laptop company suddenly deciding to raise their own production costs all at the same time?
It isn't a "Cheaper POS" as you described. It's objectively more expensive, even if you have decided it's shittier.
Guess what? It's not shittier. The lack of cursor drift and lack of lag give it an edge over EMR tech, and this edge justifies their increased price.
In my experience, ES is better for art because it more naturally emulates traditional media. You don't have to adapt to the cursor drift, your pentip is your cursor. That alone is worth having to run Lazy Nezumi and not draw slow, 45° lines like a sloth in an intentional attempt to induce jitter.

Thinking about buying the cintiq 16 as my first screen tablet. Will I need a screen protector for it? Seen this image and I have zero clue.

>>4795249
Honestly I don't know how people can do that. You have an entire screen yet all your drawing is in an area the size of a post-it note?

If you draw heavy-handed go for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wacom/comments/amecn7/wacom_cintiq_16_screen_protection/

Best bang-for-your buck screen tablet that isn't stretched-out phoneshit?

you are all fools and luddites clinging to an obsolete technology
gentlemen, the future is here. while you are busy painting on cave walls and squabbling over the chinese, I am creating true art
and it only cost me $750 to join the beta.
I cannot imagine spending a dime on such a primitive 2D device when we are on the cusp of greatness. the singularity. cybernetic godhood.
this technology has peeled back a layer to reveal another universe. virtual reality will grow, just as the telegraph grew to the telephone; as the radio to the TV; it will be everywhere.

>>4793880
I can't believe a Wacom employee would use such hateful, racist terms. Are you trying to get yourself fired?

>>4795620
you dont have to work for wacom to hate xijing the pooh or malware.

>>4795782
no, but you do have to be a hypocrite if you bitch about china then purchase wacom products manufactured there

>>4795243
Look dude you keep singing their fucking praises but where is a device that is better than an Intuos cintiq pro?
I want to see a comfortable ergonomic pen with a very fine feel to it and a better pressure sensor than wacom provide on their EMRs

I'm not saying that this technology is bad, i'm saying that retarded monkeys can't make a fucking product with them because nobody except Apple ever had the bright idea to target the digital artists as their audience.
Microsoft basically invented the ipad pro, except in their mind it was just a fun gimmicks to take notes and some shit.

>>4795785
No, a hypocrite is talking shit about other countries and then saying no one can say anything bad about yours like China.

I don’t have a problem with things being manufactured in China, I have a problem with China using tablets, pcs, and other electronic devices as well as (tax) software for routing malware/spyware.

Should I also include the various acts of espionage in tech, biotech, biochem, politics/military, etc?

>>4795892
>its the you must be chinese meme again

You're so fucking boring. The OP has some bullshit polbait about chinabad and then recommends products manufactured there, directly benefiting their economy. Im only in these threads to make people consider not buying from wacom in the hopes that they wisen the fuck up and lower their prices. And its a win win because the competition offers far more valuable products.

>>4795892
i forgot to mention one, the general shady nature of chinese companies.
Wether its the product or support, these companies consistently act NOT like they need a successful product and happy customers to stay alive (like a real company) but a company that’s mass producing mediocre product haphazardly with no regard to longterm success, like a bad guy in a cheese cartoon with ulterior motives.

>>4795913

China / Wacom / whatever boogeyman you think cares, doesn’t get money if you buy it used.
You’re not going to get anyone to not buy chinese products, they’re already doing a fine job of that on their own.

>>4795913
Hobbyist artists, particularly those who browse japanese-inspired masturbatoriums, do not have a real impact on Wacom's bottom line. Their Cintiq Pro line is already niche as hell, which is how they keep getting away with it.

>>4795934
Buying used products wont last though.
And many people are buying xp pen and huion tablets, and good for them. I own one and it works fine. Paid itself back three fold after the first commission I did with it 2 years back. China is a huge problem on a global political level but we're just shitty monkeys living our short lives and doing our drawings, and my medium screenless tablet allows me to do that for almost a fifth of the price of an intuos pro. From the reviews and accounts ive read, id be the first to buy an intuos pro but god fucking dammit its a months rent and while these other tablets exist, I just cant make myself do it or advise others to buy it.

>>4795954
>Paid itself back three fold after the first commission I did with it 2 years back.
Sure you did

>>4782080
>draw on paper
>looks ok
>take a photo
>looks like shit
>trace it with my tablet
>is the worst thing I have ever draw
how do I stop this cycle?

>>4796042
200 for a commission isnt even a lot for furry coomer shit

>>4782080
my god that perspective is FUCKED

>>4796072
I know this feel, anon.

>>4793038
I just got this thing (intuos pro L) today
it's pretty mindblowing so far how accurate this thing is plus it doesn't feel slicky like my previous tablet, jesus christ, it's like i'm drawing on a normal paper with DP. Shits fucking expensive but I'm okay with it.
Though i'm still pretty bummed that the nibs will wear out quickly cuz i bought the latest model.
Still great experience so far and the gizmos they added in it is pretty useful so far, i like the touchpad gestures, works well in photoshop.
To anons who own chinese tablets like Deco Pro, how do they compare with intuos pro? Just curious.

>>4796242
same performance, similar paper texture but with much stronger nibs and at just under half the price

>>4796242
>>4796269
Forgot the file, I used to use the deco pro before moving back for a smoother surface. I tried the intuos pro at a demonstration stand at saturn, admittedly not for very long but it had the accuracy just about all modern screenless tablets have. I imagine the intuos pen is more comfortable to hold though, I couldnt really tell because it had a security band fixed to it so people couldnt knick it

>>4796274
>>4796269
Aw, shucks. I already got intuos pro anyway, so no turning back. It's relatively easier to find wacom in local retailers (i live in a 3rD world country) but i've heard from my peers that getting warranty for things like huion and xppen locally is a bitch so I'm not too bummed.

>>4796277
I dont wanna bring you down, im glad you like your tablet and itll serve you well. The intuos pros are excellent tablets and itll serve you well. All memes aside tablet discussion is all rather surface level for actual artists because your skill matters so much more.

>>4796072
Get güd.

>>4782080
i got my self an asrtisul d16 for 300€
it is my first display tablet and i am mostly happy with it. The pen is a bit whack but passible for the price. Its a good starter display

>>4784086
i have an old one and it still good

>>4796072
> it doesn’t look as good

This is the real hurdle of digital bro. It demands more line confidence. Its not about screen vs screenless or digital pressure points, it still comes down to confident lines from a practiced hand.

Here’s a tip, blow up your image by at least 100 percent and start from there. Working bigger will help you develop the correct muscles/posture. Try to draw lines that are at least a thumb’s width and work up to drawing confident lines up to the distance of your thumb to your pink when your hand is splayed out.

>>4796274
so would you say the deco pro is worth it? its currently on sale right now.
if it functions pretty much exactly the same as an intuos pro, then i dont see why i should spend the higher price.

Anyone here wants to gift me his cintiq, I'm 100% better than you and it will be in better hands, I'm already good enough in my small screenless tablet, with the real deal I will be scamming furrytards for 200 a piece in no time.

>>4797538
Yep. Good bit of kit

What is the best iPad for drawing if I only have 420$ for iPad and apple pencil? Is it worth to wait until new iPad will realize?

I wound up inheriting an ipadpro 12" but it sucks that CSP is subscription based on ios; procreate is fine for painting or small things but I wind up feeling like I would rather just use my other tablet on PC so I can use Clip Studio.
Anyone know if there is some way to avoid yearly subscription with jailbreak or if there is maybe a better app that feels more solid like CSP?