/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4775275
>Theres no reason to buy screenless wacom tablets whatsoever. Way overpriced.
Wrong again, Chang. Wacom screenless have touch functionality which allows panning, rotation and zoom with two finger gestures.
Wacom pens also have tilt that is not shit. Chinese companies just can't figure out how to replicate good tilt.

>>4776104
Will the upcoming S7 be an iPad killer?

would you rather get a lower end display tablet, or a good rep non-display tablet?
right now im debating between the xp-pen deco pro and the xp-pen artist 15.6 pro.
Any advice?
wacom is out of my budget before you say anything

also should i just avoid something with surface level scratches entirely if buying used? or are they mostly negligible?

repostan for new thread

>>4776130
Seriously, just buy used Wacom, even the 2013 model. You will have less headaches than any Chinese tablet.

There's more than enough evidence of bad quality control on XP-Pen garbage on places like reddit.

>>4776133
if i go on reddit for wacom its mostly problem troubleshooting with a dash of advertisements
the old models look pretty shitty and feature barren if im being honest

>>4776140
What do you think the 2013 Intuos Pro lacks that the 2017 one has?

Modern Wacom is trash, but pre-2015 Wacom is fine, and infinitely more reliable than any Chinese tablet.

>>4776112
He's not wrong though. The Apple Pencil will soon supercede all screenless tablets.

>>4776128
Android will first and foremost have to actually care about Android tablets and take them seriously instead of just blowing up apps designed for phones and calling it a day.

>>4776147
>He's not wrong though. The Apple Pencil will soon supercede all screenless tablets.
Is there even a single app that lets you use an iPad as a tablet for desktop efficiently? Don't say Duet Display because it's trash.

What is the best way to use an iPad for SAI?

>>4776147
dex takes care of that problem

>>4776143
oh that one looks pretty decent actually
would you get that over a xp pen artist 15.6 pro?
pls no chink shit comment just be honest

>>4776162
Do you really need to ask? Why would I recommend an unreliable chinese tablet over a reliable Intuos Pro 2013? On top of that you'd get touch functionality and working tilt.

>>4776163
i dont need touch functionality since i move and zoom with the pen already

Thoughts on the Cintiq QHD?

>>4776153
I said Apple Pencil, not iPad.
https://www.laptopmag.com/news/next-apple-pencil-could-draw-on-any-surface-and-even-the-air

>>4776183
It's not going to work on anything that isn't an Apple device and will probably be inaccurate and have wobble.

>>4776244
That’s why you need to buy an iPad Air to draw in air

Reminder that Wacom AES 2.0 is identical to Apple pencil in terms of latency and jitter.
there are only a handful of devices that use it: Thinkpad P52, Thinkpad P53, Thinkpad X1 Extreme (both gens), the C940 15", and the A940 all in one.
Of these, the C940 has terrible density so it's not that great.
Three of the four others do not fold more than 180 degrees.
And the last one has no tilt because Wacom didn't want to sabotage the Cintiq line.

>>4776244
Like how the first gen Apple Pencil was full of problems because Apple had no experience making a stylus, right?

>>4776104
Is there any reason for me to upgrade my old Intuos from 2003?

>>4776260
Except digital pens drawing on a digitized surface had been done before.
Drawing using motion sensors has not been done before, and it's unlikely it will ever be as accurate as using a proper surface.

>>4776244
Similar pens have existed for 6 years now. If random Zhang startup #5418 can pull stuff like this off, then what makes you think Apple couldn't? The pen itself already owes it's performance to software tracking the gyroscopes. Slap a few dozen more accelerometers and gyroscopes on the thing and magic algorithm will take care of the rest.
Of course, it will still only work with iPads and MacOS. Probably only on apps that Apple has personally vetted. That's what you get.

>>4776104
I got the intuos 3 in your picture, but linux drivers aren't working for it correctly so I am only working traditionally atm.

>>4776335
VR is not doing too bad. I'd reckon with our stupid fast advancements in sensor tech and chip sizes, the idea of any-surface pen doesn't sound as idiotic as it would have several years ago.

Are apple and wacom really my only best bet when it comes to drawing gadgets? I fucking hate their vidya DLC tier pricing/business model

>>4776416
afaik if you aren't going for the really high tier products like cintiq, you are better off with chinkshit (unless you are willing to buy a used 10 year old wacom)

>>4776355
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it will have caveats. All Zhang pens have wobble so it's a moot point.

>>4776416
Yes. Just buy used, especially the older, more reliable models for each brand.

Modern Wacom is intentionally shittier so their market has to spend more money on replacements.

>>4776418
I really don't mind their price if it actually buys me a complete product right out of the box

>"whats's that? you need pen/buttons/stand/etc?"
>"unfortunately we don't include those with this model, but don't worry, you can buy them at our store :)"
"oh and btw this model isn't compatible with third party accessories out there, so you'll have to buy ours :)"

>>4776440
If money is not an issue then go with the most expensive wacom shit you can find. You will pay many times its actual value tho, but that's usually the case if you want the very best.

Do you have to buy a different Wacom Pen for barrel rotation?

Is this the good intuos model from 2013? I found a seller near me who gives it for 150 euros

>>4776468
yeah, the wacom art pen

>>4776475
Yeah that's a Pro 2013. They're good.

I want to but xp-pen deco 01 v2 because i need android support cuz pc is died from old age.
Budget: 200 dollars.
Any advice anons?
Also i'm in third world so i can't buy new pc.

>>4776112
Post work.
1 real artists who drraw use hotkeys and stylus for all that
2 nobody who has a wacom with touch ever uses touch, they always disable it because it's shit.

POST WORK NIGGER I KNOW YOU NEVER DREW SHIT

>>4776112
Regardless of your pol schizo posting, everyone is buying/talking about buying xp pen/huion in these threads despite your OP. Looks like you lost, and people still have common sense, thank God. I just want Wacom to improve, but their direction of improvement is to steer in the direction of price effectiveness, not brand value.

>>4776416
No. The OP isnt even an artist who uses any of the toys he collects. The fact is, at least when it comes to screenless tablets, theyve all pretty much plateaued in terms of specs and technology. Thats essentially why things have devolved to pure brandfaggotry, which is ironic since one factor still hasnt developed with the times: price. Medium sized screenless drawing tablets cost you around 100 bucks, give or take. The only exception to this, are the ones by Wacom, which cost 350. And in addition to this, they indeed have the DLC business model of pin replacement/sandpaper surface.

>>4776627
>>4776650
Don't care, Chang.

>>4776627
> real artists who drraw use hotkeys
As if the poor spelling and grammar wasn't a dead giveaway, you then say this blatant falsehood.

You really are one worthless chinese idiot.

>>4776650
>Regardless of your pol schizo posting, everyone is buying/talking about buying xp pen/huion in these threads despite your OP. Looks like you lost, and people still have common sense, thank God

>>4776874
>>4776911
I dont understand why non artists keep thinking anyone on this board gives a shit what their opinion is. We really need some kind of table system like that one anon suggested where you post a picture of your actual tablet+work, and list your pros and cons. It would create a much more productive thread for actually informing people rather than all this kneejerk brandfaggotry.

>>4776929
Nobody cares, Chang. Still not buying XP-Pen.

>>4777065
You're not buying shit because you don't draw.
I love my Xp-Pen though, buying a new one when they update.

>>4777077
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Zhang. Still not buying XP-Pen or Huion.
By the way, I already own an Intuos Pro 2013 and a used iPad Pro 2nd Gen, and I use Procreate every day.

>>4777106
>an Intuos Pro 2013
So that's why you can't show your strokes? I challenged you to show me how much better your pen is than my "bad pen" and you ran away screaming like a bitch, bitch.

>>4777135
I just couldn't be bothered because a worthless chink like you isn't worth the time.
2013 Intuos Pro can do tilt flawlessly. No angle snapping like your chink garbage.

>>4777136
Oh shit we've got a real Alpha tight there, no need to prove anything to anyone.

>>4777106
Just how many intuos pro 2013s dyou think are out there? At all, nevermind in good condition. They arent being manufactured anymore, and never will be ever again. The new pro line is dog shit. Dyou see the problem here?

Wacom have already been dipping their toes into predatory business practices. How long do you think it will be until one of their board meetings comes up with the idea of discontinuing the driver support for older models, forcing people to buy the latest ones? Why would you ever want to build a solid, reliable tablet that will never break and provide support for it forever? Thats an absolutely atrocious business move.

>>4777160
Oh I bet he's got his one all beat up, scratched and with cum crusts.

>>4777160
>idea of discontinuing the driver support for older models,
They fucking do lol. It's simply that the old drivers still work.
> Why would you ever want to build a solid, reliable tablet that will never break and provide support for it forever?
The last one like this is Intuos 3 not 2013.
And it's an awkward obsolete piece of shit by modern standards.

The thing is that Wacom just don't have the patent monopoly anymore. Their business model has hit the fucking wall.
Years ago you had to pay 500$ for a screenless tablet because there's no alternative now nobody would buy an Intuos Pro it's fucking stupid. They probably still manage to sell Cintiq Pro to studios and businesses and that must be their sole revenue stream. they could just cut the fucking price tenfold but their company probably can't survive on low profit margins, too many old executives on fat paychecks, too many staff that does nothing since they obviously haven't innovated for decades.

Their company is going to die and fuck them, they were allowed to terrorize the market for too long.

>>4777135
Here are some strokes on the H610 Pro V2. Works fine, I dont see how anyone would need anything else really.

>>4777199
I had an old one with a bettery pen, it worked, taught me to draw and it paid for itself. Was a massive improvement from a shitty bamboo too, Wajews would never sell anything good for cheap.

The reason I updated was because the battery pen died.

>>4777215
Very based, that was my first upgrade after my bamboo pen & touch as well. So much space and ran like a charm.

Should I save up for a wacom over a huion for longevity? I don't want it to shit the bed two years in if I'm going to blow 1300 AUD on her

>>4776929
What makes you think Wang Xiu Huang won't just commission/steal some art to use to shill their product?
You don't seem to get it. No standard of proof is high enough to defeat the Chinoise menace. They are literally everywhere online, it's disgusting. My own mother is working for the CCCP to promote party funded drawing tech. They have already sold this entire thread on the meme that EMR is the superior tech compared to ES.
Who do you think benefits the most from that idea? Is it Wacom, who already has a foot in the door for the current industy standard (ES)? Or is it Chang, who only recently figured out how to crack the 30 year old patents that made EMR work?
Isn't it a little convenient that people started to change their minds and say EMR is superior right when the market started getting flooded with Chinese crap?

>>4777239
Fuck are you rambling about you incoherent schizoid? If I understood correctly, supporting chinese business and therefore the CCP is what you're trying to stop, then why are you buying ANYTHING manufactured in China? Why recommend to purchase any Wacom tablet, seeing as they are all manufactured in ping pong land? God help me, this bait is either staggeringly poor or incredibly smart.
This is a board for artists, and for creating digital drawing, virtually ANY tablet will work fine, seeing as its just a tool. Given that however, some are priced like total shit, and its important to let newcomers be aware of that.

>>4776929
this is generally shill thread full of poser's, ipad seriously? you want to just do shit for twitter or actually produce work for sale that actually can be considered income? you're all newbs or hobbyist learn the art school way buy cheap and get good first then upgrade to the expensive tools!

>>4776104
>my intuos 3 is now considered retro
is it time for an upgrade?

>>4777253
I'm not saying Chinese crap is crap because it's Chinese.
I'm saying the stuff touted to be good online is suspect because of shills. You can't trust a word of what's posted here.
Chinese shills are the sole reason EMR is credible. The industry has almost exclusively moved on to ES. Apart from Samsung, who owns about half of Wacom. Hell, even Wacom has moved to ES for the majority of their market, their EMR devices are considered niche.
FI've years ago, EMR vs AES was a valid debate. Today you'd get the impression that EMR is objectively superior by reading online comments.
But AES has only gotten better over the years. So what changed? Did EMR suddenly improve?
No.
What changed is Chang. There are now a dozen companies for whom the legitimacyof EMR is their entire bottom line.

>>4777199
>>4777215
and a ching chong to you too, fellow citizen of the state.

wacom pays for astroturfing so credibility is a concern

>>4777239
>>4777379
Don't worry, at the very least this is the good thread with the non-shill OP.

You have to be wary of chink shills though. They very much shill aggressively. It's even been explicitly confirmed they shill on 4chan in the /csg/ thread on /g/.

>>4777379
>>4777403
>>4777409
Yeaahhh... anyway

>>4777371
If it still works and you're happy with it, I dont see why youd need to.

>>4777230
Tablets arent very fragile, if you treat them with just a little bit of care any should last you for years. Just dont press down too hard and try to move it around as little as possible. If you do, transport it in the box it came in.

>>4776133
>3th world-fag here!
What about a Cintiq 21UX DTK-2100?
I found one apparently new, just lacks its pen (or at least this is that the seller claims) in marketplace for 500?

>>4777436
It's not worth 500$ even with a pen
It's not even worth 200$.

A huion would be a much better product.

>>4777485

I'm >>4777436
Huion? No thanks!
I did have a huion kamvas pro 16, non pro 16 and the experience was a shit.

>>4777379
>You can't trust a word of what's posted here.
Yeah, everybody is a shill but not you. Anons can surely trust you. You are proven AF.
>>4777379
>The industry has almost exclusively moved on to ES.
BULL FUCKING SHIT MAN
>Hell, even Wacom has moved to ES
NO THEY DIDN'T
>their EMR devices are considered niche.
THEY DON'T MAKE ANY
>Today you'd get the impression that EMR is objectively superior by reading online comments.
BECAUSE THE ONLE AES PRODUCTS IN EXISTENCE ARE N-TRIG AND APPLE PENCIL

Everything you think you know is bullshit.

>>4777487
Well then you aren't going to like the wacom piece of crap IT"S WORSE.

>buying anything other than wacom or XP pen

>>4777499

>>4777513
>XP-Pen
>literally buying chinkshit

>>4777525
Imagine being so wrong and so smug about yourself.

the only AES tablets on the market are Surface and iPad, and Surface digitizer is fucking shit.

>>4777485
>>4777503
Fuck off you vile bugman.

>>4777536
>xp pen
>chinkshit

>>4777544
Ok go on and buy a 10 years old wacom tablet and write a review on how awesome the 10 years old monitors are.

>>4777547
Nigger i bet you think wacom is Japanese

>>4777547
XP-Pen is Ugee, a chink company. They created XP-Pen to get a stronger foothold in the japanese market and con people like you into believing they're not Chinese. There's a reason they have an AliExpress page.

All chink tablets have poor quality control, bad pens, uncalibrated displays and horrible customer support.

>>4777577
>All chink tablets have poor quality control, bad pens, uncalibrated displays and horrible customer support.
post work

>>4777577
>>4777199
Works fine. Maybe you're just shit.

>>4777578
>still spamming this
Again, means nothing you idiot chink. It isn't hard to just steal some amazing drawing off artstation, invert it horizontally and retouch it a bit, and a stupid little chink like yourself would have no way of finding out who drew it.

You also haven't posted any of your own work, so it's all a moot point. Chink tablets are garbage and always will be.

>>4777591
Fuck off shill. At least i have a tablet see >>4777135

YOU DON"T HAVE A TABLET

YOU'RE A SHILL I AN INDIAN SHILL FACTORY

>>4777499
"AES" by definition is Wacom's take on ES technology. They produce many digitizers in this format, mostly for Lenovo. In September there's a dedicated portable display tablet coming out that relies on this wacom AES.
N-Trig hasn't existed for 5 years grandpa. Microsoft realized the name was poison, and current MPP tech doesn't even resemble early N-Trig. So it's not N-trig in name or design. Plus companies like Synaptics also produce MPP digitizers, so it's all blended together.
The convertible market DWARFS the dedicated display market these days. People just aren't buying these massive monolithic desk displays. That's why Wacom hasn't updated a damn thing in 15 years. That's why the Chinese have been able to corner the market with complete garbage and get away with it.
Nobody wants EMR. The only people who do were convinced they do because of Xiang.

>>4777596
Calm down Li Zhang. I'm still not buying an XP-Pen or Huion.

>>4777604
>People just aren't buying these massive monolithic desk displays
Ofcourse bro, and cellphones have killed computers, right? All the pros are actually on Lenovo Yogas and not on wacom tablets, Pixar and disney have full studios equipped with Yogas, SURE.

You do understand that Lenovo Yogas are for the normies to do normie shit and nobody is drawing on them?

>>4777577
pretty sure wacom has manifactures in china as well. Their newer stuff really lacks

>>4777604
Also if AES was so good why don't Wacom make an AES drawing tablet?
Why is there no AES Intuos or Cintiq?

just poppin in to say i got an intuos 5 pro from like 2012 or 2013 i think? i draw 30-40ish hours a week and only had to buy new nibs twice no other issues. as long as you tape some paper to it it'll last forever. cintiq is good when i'm messing around or need to work really fast but i think my old intuos has better sensitivity no joke and so i'll still use it a lot for personal work/careful detailed work.

>>4777540
Surface isn't AES, it's MPP. Formerly N-trig. Formerly Wacom AES 1.0.
iPad isn't AES, it's Apple's own proprietary brand.
Every brand of laptop manufacturer makes a line of laptops with an active digitizer these days. Some of which are Wacom AES 2.0. What year are you living in?

>>4777625
AES is VERY expensive. You need extremely dense coiling on the digitizer.
Wacom has intentionally sabotaged its own AES products in the past to avoid competing with Cintiqs.
See the Lenovo A940 for an example. They literally forced a custom firmware to disable tilt on it because they realized it completely btfo all of their EMR products.
Also, pic related would like a word with you.

Is wacom intuos draw decent enough for a /beg/ poorboi?

>>4777614
It's almost as if major production studios are a niche market that doesn't regularly buy new devices. Most of them are still running the same old Cintiqs that just werked 15 years ago. And if they do buy more once in a blue moon, they don't care about paying $2000 for an identical device.
None of what I said is false. The market for Cintiq-likes is practically nonexistent compared to the market for convertibles. Students buy them on the pretext of notetaking. Artists buy them, both professional and amateur.
And yes, pixar uses convertibles out the ass in addition to their 15 year old Cintiqs. You think they lug a 24 inch display into a board meeting?

>>4777677
Yes, but you can get a far superior tablet for the same price from other brands. If the intuos draw is the only one in your region then go for it though.

My tablet broke in the middle of commissions work and I need a cheap screenless one to replace it that's under 100 euros, what do you guys suggest?

>>4777728
https://www.amazon.de/HUION-Grafiktablet-Stufen-Druckempfindlichkeits-Grafiktablet-batterielosem-Stiftneigefunktion/dp/B07FVGD4WJ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1PFYJT31NEPQE&dchild=1&keywords=huion+h610+pro+v2&qid=1596834970&sprefix=huion+h610+pro%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFKUzU0R1g3WjExS0EmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3OTQ3NTgyTEwyWVpYOFc2REw0JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzNDk2NTcyMzFFQ081U09KSEtIJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

>>4777735
I had this back when you had to put batteries in it, the buttons didn't work. Is it better now?

>>4777745
Its the V2, batteryless pen and all that shit. Works fine. I still use one to this day. Line example is here
>>4777199

>>4777745
>>4777728
I would recommend getting the Xp Deco 01v2
the new pen feels better and Usb-C connector is much sturdier than Micro-USB.
My old huion had a wobbly connector that disconnected from time to time.

>>4777754
CSP and SAI do not appear in their compatibility list

>>4777662
>AES is VERY expensive
The toy in your picture is cheaper than any Huion 200$ on Amazon. If it was any good the artists would be crazy about it.
>Also, pic related would like a word with you.
Why don't they market it to the artists?
Why aren't any artists review or use it?
I searched, there's no info on that thing at all.

See the marketing - it's note taking and come business shit.

For all I know it's a gimmicky normie toy and not a tool intended for atists.

>>4777758
They work just fine I can confirm.

The tablet doesn't really work with the program in the first place. The tablet works with Windows and Windows works with SAI,

>>4777758
They list more obscure software specifically because those are the only ones that would have questionable compatibility. It also doesnt list photoshop as being compatible, but of course it is. Sai and CSP are both major, theyll run fine.

Wacom One has to be the biggest scam in the industry
who the fuck is the target audience for that?

>>4777813
Brandfags.
But frankly Bamboo and Intuos (Non-Pro) are the same.
Wacom would never sell a good thing cheap.

>>4777766
how do I know a device is good for art unless it's shilled incessantly online?
the device hasn't been shilled, so it MUST be shit for art. a tablet's quality is entirely proportional to its marketing budget. that is why Huion and XP-Pen make the best tablets.

>>4777841
Well they certainly make no effort to sell this device so they must have no confidence in it.

I checked their website they have no specs on the pen, they have no specs on the display, I have no reason to assume it's any good at all and they aren't trying to convince me.

What the fuck? Is a corporation too proud to make money? Are the youtubers stupid? They would make the 200$ investment back in views and ads immediately. Why does nobody care about the fucking thing? No artist, no youtubers, and not even the company that makes it.

Seriously we live in the age of internet, if one artists ever bought one and liked it they would make a blogpost and I would find it googling for "lenovo m14t"
Look at this, a tablet from fucking Dell got reviewed (and it's shit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vO7Tn8eV0E
If you believe that your Lenovo thing is so awesome and great, buy it, and review it, you'll make a profit on your purchse.

>>4777868
The Dell Canvas (which is ancient technology at this point) is literally a rebadged Cintiq you mongoloid. Wacom licensed the design out, but intentionally gimped it so they wouldn't face competition.
The M14t is just the M14, which already exists, with an AES 2.0 stylus (the stylus in the picture is the Lenovo Active Pen Pro, which is AES 2.0). We have all the specs from the previous model, and assuming they don't skimp out on the desisty we know it will have the same performance as the A940...etc.
There is no reason to use any other tablet when this comes out, basically.
I'm sorry you don't keep tabs on current tech and need everything fed to you by Chinese marketers using depracated machines.

>>4777889
>it will have the same performance as the A940...etc.
This thing? It doesn't look good at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FXeIhNVyAg
Look at the video of this dude using it.
1 it has massive lag using the smallest brush.
Maybe it's just beacuse it's an all in one with a laptop tier hardware, but it doesn't look good.
2 the wobble test is done vertically and horisontally while the real problems occur diagonally. Almost as if he intentionally avoided diagonals.
3 THE WORST PART look at him freehanding scribbles the pressure spikes and jumps like crazy, this is what i expected, it looks like the pressure sensor is FUCKING AWFUL.
4 Look at more scribbles, it looks like the curves have some straight line segments in them.

The dude is trying to praise the fucking thing, but the video of him using it looks fucking bad.

On the bottom is me scribbling shit with stabilizer set to zero, not even the basic smoothing, everything disabled. You can't see any abrupt jumps or spikes in pressure, you can't see any straight segments in the curves, and it sertainly has no lag at all.

My device is Deco Pro.
Lenovo might have a good technology, but on top of that they need to develop the drivers and device firmware. The video shows lags and bad pressure control literally worse than any chinkshit.

is it even worth my time using a tiny old bamboo tablet? borrowed it from a friend but i can't really get much accuracy with my lines at all.

I'm thinking of sticking to paper for now and moving to digital when I can get a bigger tablet.

Would it even be worth the time spent getting used to such a small shitty tablet?

Will I ever be able to get similar quality to what i can get on paper? All my study aint worth shit if I can't get my line where I want it, or if I do it looks like crap.

>>4777931
I never drawn on paper at all, i started digitally from zero when my friend gave me his old Wacom Graphire.
The thing was fucking awful, i couldn't control the lines, or pressure, it was nothing but pain, my lines just won't go where I want them too.

Then I got myself a Huion tablet and I felt much better immediately, the difference was day and night. It felt awesome. it's not magic, but the struggle went in my favor from there, I felt like I can do it, I can learn to use this thing.

The bamboos are just awful, terrible, they suck.

>>4777931
Yes, it will work. No, its not optimal, coz it forces you to use your wrist to draw due to the size.

You can get very high quality medium sized tablets for fuck all money nowadays. Gaomon, Huion, XP Pen all offer medium sized tablets with wireless pens, 8000 levels of pressure and functioning drivers. The only difference is that XP pen do slightly rougher surface textures.

Whichever screenless tablets you use, make sure to use at least a little stabilization in your art software. Going in raw will always result in jitter. Youll get used to the medium faster than youll realize, and you can enjoy the benefits of working digital.

>>4777930
The A940 is the single best drawing experience on the market. There aren't a lot of people who have used one who debate that. For $2000 starting and it's built into a weak workstation, is the only reason nobody recommends it.
>lag
I don't think you understand AES 2.0, there is no lag. The polling rate is so high that it outpaces the refresh rate of the monitor several times over. He may have a stabilizer running. The only device on the market with lower latency right now is the iPad.
If you call this lag, you can't recommend any device but the iPad. Everything else has MORE lag.
>wobble
Check other reviews, there is no jitter. It's legendary for its lack of jitter. This guy not going diagonal doesn't mean it falls short on that front.
>muh pressure curves
all adjustable and AES 2.0 has equal or better minimum activation force to Cintiqs.
You keep saying Lenovo, but this is Wacom tech you're dealing with. This is the same company that makes Cintiqs. They have the BEST firmware and drivers. That's their entire niche. Again, you're calling it bad when it's unparalleled in the market. NOBODY has better drivers.
>Deco Pro
oh wait let me laugh harder

>>4777973
>Going in raw will always result in jitter
Not true, Xp-Pen defeated the jitter at least on Deco Pro.

Here's me testing the thing when I bought it, the straight lines are done with a ruler, no jitter at all.

Also the newest Xp-Pen pen just feels better. Huion too have updated their pens but only for the Kamvas Pro 2020, their screenless still have the old pen with fat wobbly nibs. They work, but not as good as Xp-Pen.

Right now if you want a screenless I would recommend a Deco Pro or Deco 01v2,

>>4778005
Yeah my bad, after testing it seems that thats just sai. Krita really runs well nowadays

>>4777999
>best drawing experience on the market
You keep saying that, but the video look like fucking shit man.
You can fucking see it.
>Everything else has MORE lag
LMAO picrelated.
>all adjustable
Good luck fixing abrupt spikes, idiot.
>minimum activation force to Cintiqs
Not important when you have fucking spikes in the middle of it.
Again I can freehand smooth curves and he can't.
>This is the same company that makes Cintiqs
It is also the came company that made Microsoft Surface and that sucked.

ALSO ANOTHER REVIEW
Timestamp 4:26, THE JITTER IS TERRIFIC, IT'S MASSIVE.
https://youtu.be/D4rbnSTtHB8?t=266

This thing is shit.

>>4777999
FUCKING LMAO
Best experience on the market? more like FUCKING EMBARRASSMENT

It looks just as bad as Microsoft Surface.

>>4778014
Bro that's not normal, change the settings.
Enable Windows Ink in your tablet drivers AND select the right options in SAI.

>>4778022
>>4778019
>no drawing glove
are you a retard?
your hand causes electrical infetterence with ES. you need a glove

>>4778128
Fuck off schitso, you're BTFO from your own thread.

chang going absolutely nuts. go back to your safespace with your malware garbage.

I just got a Kamvas 20....after using it for just about an hour it gets kind of really warm/hot.
Should I be scared??

>>4778160
The shitty non-wacom brands literally ship with a glove because the jitter is so bad without it. I would think you of all people would understand why a golveless test proves nothing.

>>4777420
I rarely see anybody talk about the longevity of huion/chinaman products

>>4777577
Xp-pen was bought by ugee not much ago

>>4777617
Everyone does, but at the very least they're a japanese company and have certain standards for how good their tablets are, even if the quality control is bad.

Chinkblets have had the same wobbly nibs for years.

Which one of these should I get? I'm still new to digital drawing and know very little about it. I only want to draw for fun, nothing professional
I keep hearing that Wacom is the best but this one lacks the buttons on the side so I dunno

Wacom One
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B082LZXQ6B/?coliid=I1JCKKWEWKOJYW&colid=P9TIQG2UFF0U&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

HUION kamvas pro 16
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07R4JFY2X/?coliid=I1LLRVQLXF2N07&colid=P9TIQG2UFF0U&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

X-P Pen Artist22E Pro
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01G9LNZTG/?coliid=I1FXSOAYKZH1JO&colid=P9TIQG2UFF0U&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

>>4778432
Get a used iPad Pro 2nd Gen or a used 22HD.

If your idea is to have fun, avoid chinese products, because the inevitable defect combined with the frustrating customer support is the opposite of fun.

Will getting a small tablet fuck me over art wise?
Since I am planning on getting a screen tablet and have enough money to get anything I want pretty much but I want something nice and small.

I have only had experience with screenless tablets before and I wonder if treating a screen tablet like it's a piece of paper will be a bad thing.

Also while we are at this, should I just get the Wacom one, I like how small it is.

>>4778432
Get Kamvas pro 16.
Wacom ONE is just crap they don't make good budget tablets, and Artist 22E is a bit dated older tech.

>>4778500
If you want a small screen tablet, get a used iPad Pro 2nd, 3rd or 4th gen. They're the most acceptable small screen tablet by far because they're properly optimized for the smaller screen space with apps like Procreate and ArtStudio Pro. One of the main problems of using Desktop Apps on something like a Wacom One is that the IU tends to get in the way. Of course most apps have different display modes that can be binded to shortcuts, but it's still not as smooth as Procreate.
The Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 (or S6 Lite) is also a good option with a small form factor.

The main benefit of getting a larger tablet like a 22HD is making it easier to draw with your shoulder. This is particularly necessary for animation where you're doing a lot of sketching.

>>4778500
Never buy Wacom NON-PRO, they make them bad on purpose. Intuos non-pro have fucking pen jitter like on this picture >>4778022 just to make you feel bad about being cheap.
Wacom One has shitty screen and thick glass with an air gap and overall it's just fucking bad copared to anything else.

If you can get anything get like Cintiq Pro 16.
If you checked the pricetag and you can't actually get anything then consider the options:
Kamvas Pro 13 2020 - i'd say it's fucking small, but it has the latest tech, new pen and good laminated screen.
Kamvas Pro 16 2019 - New good screen but the pen is old and sort of meh. Not a bad option.
Kamvas 22 Plus 2020 - An actually great option. New pen, good screen, laminated matte glass. It lacks side buttons, but side buttons fucking suck anyway, just use the keyboard.
Artist Pro 13/16 - Good laminated screen, good pen, but there's no etched matte glass, it's jusr smooth glass with a screen protector film.
other Artist tablets don't even have laminated glass, which is bad.

>>4778546
Piss off chink.

>>4778546
>If you can get anything get like Cintiq Pro 16.
That's a bad attempt at disguising your shilling, Li Xiang. Everyone knows Cintiq Pro 16s are bad just by looking at the Amazon reviews, and have since been discontinued.

Chinese Tablets are still garbage.

>>4778581
>>4778580
Go buy yourseflf a Lenovo Yoga and cry like a bitch because it's shit schitso.

>>4777436
I own this. Bought it when i was in art school. Still works. Photodon still makes screen protectors for it. As long as it works, it’s nothing to be laughed at. And if something goes wrong there is a community dedicating to diagnostics modding and repair.

I dont use it much anymore because I’m currently testing the iPad pro but i love my cintiq 21 UX.

>>4777485
I’d rather have an obsolete cintiq

>>4778236
no, thats normal. its a monitor, of course its going to get a bit warm.
if it gets to the point where its hurting you, then yeah you should be scared.

So i got a flip cover/stand for my samsung tab, but apparently it uses magnets which causes the digitizer on the area above it to distort like pic related
Now, this doesn't interfere with my drawing process that much, since the distortion is pretty weak and it's easy to compensate for it. But i'm kinda worried about the long term effects. Will this create something like a permanent dead zone later on?

Been isuing a intuos pro medium for 6+ years, kinda wanted tp get a screen tablet for the pc, any recommendations, i was eyeing artist pro 15.6 or cintiq 16

>>4778600
>I’d rather have an obsolete cintiq
NO! you are troll! you are shitpost! huion is great you fvucking wacom shill! real artist use huion!

>>4778600
That was made in China. Yknow, just incase you thought you btfo the bugman.
>>4778842
Buy whatever, just make sure you buy it on amazon so that you have that generous return window. I returned mine after 3 weeks of using it and having decided not to go with it. You have an entire month to try it, pretty neat

>Budget
$600
>Location
Chile
>Type
Display, portability is not a priority but it would be nice.
>Size (in inches)
Around 16 would be good.
>Other information
I don't want to buy used.
>Previous equipment
Currently have a Galaxy Tab A 8 (SM-P350) and a Huion New 1060 plus. My workflow is sketching in the Tab A and then finish the drawing in the 1060, since the Tab A stylus isn't that good for fine detail. I have the Huion since 2017, can't remember if the Tab was before or after.
I'm considering the Galaxy Tab S6 lite 10.4 or a Kamvas Pro 16, but I'm worried the S6 lite's size could not be enough and the Pro 16 could have issues with color calibration and maybe dead in a few months.

The S6 lite costs about $450 here and I could buy it right now, the Pro 16 would be around $500 from Amazon and I'd have to wait a couple of weeks for it to arrive.
Any advice?

I have the kamvas pro 16 and I absolutely hate it. I wish I went with an intous pro medium for less. The pen is trash and springy and the calibration is retarded. FUCK HUION

>>4779113
huion screen tablets have also the problem of getting heated very fast. Super annoying in the summer

>>4779113
>The pen is trash and springy
It's a feature idiot, because the pen is springy you can feel exactlyhow hard you're pressing and control the pressure super finely. Intuos and Cintiq have a springy pen too. Only the shitty Bamboo have a rock solid pen where you can't control the pressure for shit and it's bad.

Check me flexing >>4778005 >>4777135 that's the beauty of a springy pen, git gud.

>>4779097
Amazon have a return policy and warranty policcies so you should be safe buying from them.
I did some research on the latest available tablets here: >>4778546
If I was getting a tablet right now it would be a Kamvas 22 Plus or Kamvas 24 Pro because they have the new better pens. Kamvas Pro 16 hasn't been updated with new pen yet.

>>4779128 Actually it's the opposite. When the pen is springy not only it will squeak at every stroke but you can't go from 100% pressure to 10% in the same stroke. Also when the pen pressure reaches the point where the nib goes inside the pen the pressure will spike suddenly. You have no idea what you are talking about. ngmi for sure

>>4779152
Mine doesnt :^) Neither have any pen Ive tried. This faggot board doesnt let me post the file again so Ill keep referring to it >>4777199

>>4779152
>You have no idea what you are talking about. ngmi for sure
Anon I literally posted my strokes going from 0 to 100 look at the fucking pictures.

As for the squeaks - who gives a shit if it squeaks.

>>4777436
I have one 21 UX, it costed me around 500 too and came without pencil as well, I used to have a cintiq 12wx which got the job done but the screen was so small and the resolution so low it drove me nuts, the resolution on the 21ux isnt much better, and the screen is bigger, I can see every damn pixel and my refs looks like ass, of you get one you getter get another screen for refs, the aspect ratio is just sweet, love it, the screen size is Big enough for my liking, it doesnt overheat, it's silent, the screen colors are off as on any old cintiq, weird orange tint, the pen uses 2048 pressure levels, which are noticeable if you come from a 1024 levels like I did, overall really solid tablet, Best option for a budget Big screen tablet, since cintiq pros are insanely and inexplicable expensive and chink shit is just garbage only a complete fool would use.

>>4779097
Don't waste your time with Huion display tablets, they're all garbage with uncalibrated colors. Either stick to the non-display you have or upgrade to an Intuos Pro, preferably a used 2013 if you can get one.

I would definitely recommend an S6 Lite. If you can get past the size, it performs really well, and can be used as a desktop display tablet with superDisplay.

>>4779166
>>4779164
>chinkshill got so butthurt he replied twice to the same post
Just embarrassing, Chang. Fuck off.

>huion

All these fuckers wanna sell their old intuos pros and recommend it kek

>>4779269
>Kamvas needs to be calibrated and the resolution is only 1080p REEEEE
>Old cintiq has dogshit colors, orange tint, ancient resolution - BASED
Schitso in a nutshell.

>>4779097
My hermanito i am from Temuko the mapuches lands, i buy a huion kamvas pro 20 in
August/2019, now one year before i have piece of garbage the screen dont turn on

>>4779294
>Zhang is so mad he immediately lash out at the first thing he sees
Tippy top kek

>>4779294
while that is true old cintiqs are literally eternal, the 10+ yeard old models still kicking hard just like their first day out of the box, can you say the same for your products, Zhang?

>>4779320
Idk why you guys dont just ignore him and let the fucking thread die

>>4779320
I had a 20 years old graphire, it worked and IT WAS A PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT.

If a Huion lasts 3 years for me and then dies i'd be completely happy with it. If an ancient piece of shit would last forever it still is a piece of shit.

>>4779322
>and let the fucking thread die
We're drowning the thread with shitposts silly.

>>4779344
have yu ever used a cintiq 21 ux before? if the answer is not then shut your fucking mouth

>>4779359
Have you ever used a deco pro? Have you ever used a real professional monitor? Have you ever seen true adobe rgb colors? Have you eer worked in 4k? Huh? Huh? Fuck off with your ancient piece of shit.

>>4779373
yes, yes I have, unironically I have, and is not worth the pricing, im all wacoom shill but I dont think thoose gimmicks are worth unless you work with really high quality standards, 99% of the time people will look at your work on shit ass HD TN monitors, so please now, neck yourself.

>>4779388
I used to work with an old shitty TN monitor before and it really fucked all of my older art pretty badly, because the monitor was inaccurate and tinted I was picking wrong colors and blowing the saturation to maximum since the colors were dim.

It's a terrible fucking deal, they don't make monitors this bad anymore, anybody with a modern device would look and see shit.

>but the huions aren't calibrated
At least you can tweak them, the wide gamut panel is there and you can legit tweak it to look well enough.

>>4779401
Begone shill

damn, go easy on him a bit guys. watching him getting btfo'd this hard kinda makes me feel bad

Can someone please explain to me why the Chinese Government sent army tanks out to murder a bunch of human rights protesters?

>>4779463
because they want human as slaves and not let them have rights, at least until they create fully functional humanoids robots, then humans will go from slave to organ farms

>>4779469
>westerners suck the shit out of rapefugee ass and give their daughters to get raped on drugs
>chinese are literally exterminating the muslims like holocause but for real in massive death factories.
Fucking based. When you buy huion you buy a dead muslim. Just imagine using a tablet made by the crying child slaves of dead muslims, with all new laminated etched glass and wide color gamut. Buy Huion Buy dead muslims!

>>4779494
not gonna lie, based af

Thoughts on the S6Lite?

>>4779678
looks like decent value for what it is.

are chinese tablets really that fucking bad, I don't get why everyone hates them, every artist I know uses a huion or something

>>4779766
>everyone
It's just a /pol tourist on one man trade war against the entire chimnese economy, he's also the op of the thread.

When you see him ask to post work he will screech.

>>4779766
>every youtuber i watch uses huion

>>4779766
No. There are two or three really fucking loud autists who inhabit these generals who have a hatred boner for anything china related. Refer to >>4777239
Theyve been outed 4 times by now, they dont even use their tablets to draw anything.

If you still arent convinced, think of it this way. If huion, xp pen etc were THAT bad, they would be out of business by now. No one would buy their shit.

>>4779783
I don't use youtube, I mean like artists I follow on like twitter and pixiv
>>4779780
>>4779797
alright thanks

>>4779797
They remove bad reviews, also look at the other shit tier companies from China who still run bussiness because of the drooling mongos who think "well, it only lasted me two months but who cares it was cheap".

>>4779861
None of that is falsifiable, so its worth nothing. Fact is, even IF all the reviews and positive reception are ALL fake chinese shillbots, then I repeat, how are they still in business? All from single purchase customers and not a single fucking peep from the online community about the widespread shittiness of the hardware? No. No, the reality is the most simple explanation. The tech is basic, standardized, doesnt cost much to manufacture and it just works. The patents have expired. The technology is out there. The competitors can all undercut wacom easily, since they have built their companies entire revenue/salary model around their pricing strategy that hasnt changed in the last 20 years. At first they could be expensive because they were the only choice. Now, they arent, but they cant restructure their entire company so theyve shifted their strategy to pursuing brand value while still keeping the prices the same, aka the Apple path. Which, for pure functionality, is an absolute dogshit choice, cost wise.

Are there any touch screen laptops with good digitizers? I know they're expensive as hell but I'm already looking for a tablet and a laptop so I might as well combine them. If the only options are Surface Books then no thanks because Surfaces are absolute garbage.

>>4776104
>100$ or less
>Peru
>non-display
>16:9 (25 x Y cm or 10" x Y" approx.)
>non-artist
>Old tablet: Bamboo CTL-470
Main use is for online meetings, I don't want to jump right into buying a bigger but cheap Genius tablet.

>>4776104
if you worry about the tools i already know you're shit at art. any good artist could make any functioning tablet work for them.

>>4780299
el peruANO

>>4779861
>They remove bad reviews
You are shilling dogshit in this thread yourself, fucking retard.
>muh lenovo magic tech]
>the video shows absolute fucking dogshit drawing
>the artists are paising "IT IS ANTASTIC IT'S FAST AND NO JITTER"
>I can fucking see it's slow and jittered as fuck in the very same video >>4777930 >>4778019
Yeah yeah talk shit about review. Every chink shill is far more objective than this. And every anon is smarter than you.

>>4780299
Choose between Xp-Pen Deco 01v2, Deco Pro and Huion HS611

>>4780379
You forgot the part where the artist is comfortable and enjoys the process. A lot of good art in the past was drawn with some shitty Bamboo or Graphire but boy is it a literal fucking pain in a cramped up hand.

>>4779766
>>4779780
>>4779797
>>4779801
>>4780406
Quit your bitching and samefagging Zhang. I'm still not buying XP-Pen or Huion.

>>4777436
I was actually considering buying one I saw new as a backup for the one I already have. I just have a thing for older tech.

>>4780013
>touch screen laptops with good digitizers
I think you'd be better off getting an actual tablet. They're cheaper, lighter, and the recent ones seems to support desktop mode, so you can get bluetooth keyboard for like $15 and have them serve as laptop as well

>>4780013
>Are there any touch screen laptops with good digitizers?
No

So what's the definitive screenless Huion? I'm gonna get a medium sized one but there's so many. Are there any specifically to avoid?

>>4780580
Avoid anything with a micro-usb.
Get any of the latest ones with Usb-C.

Chinese micro usb are actually unreliable, you might get a loose one out of the box, or it will certainly fuck up later. Usb-C is a much better robust design.

Alright, enlighten me fellas.
I'm in the US, and I've got 700 bucks to spend on a new tablet. Right now I have a gaomon pd1560, and it's whatever.
I want a 20+ inch screen with a more accurate stylus, and tilt would be cool too.
Wacom seems to far away, while most off-brands are too cheap to have all of these features I want. Any good tablets in this price range, either a new Chinese tablet or an old Wacom?

>>4780608
Check out the Huions made in 2020.
Right now they are in the middle of updating their line with new sexy pens.

Kamvas Pro 24 looks great but it's 900$
Kamvas 22 Plus is just 500$, great display, new pen, but it has no buttons
I think they are going to release an updated Kamvas Pro 20 or 22 soon too.

As for the old wacoms, the pen might actually better, but the screen is going to be shit. Non-laminated, non-etched, shitty panel with crap colors I just can't recommend anyone to use that,

>>4780608
Buy used. That is the golden rule.

A used 22HD is a good choice. Even a used 21UX is you're on a budget. Pre-2015 Wacom Display Tablets are well built and reliable.

Do not listen to Chang here >>4780632
Chinese tablets always have quality control issues, and they still have shit pens. They have especially shit tilt too.

>>4780653
different anon but im looking to get my first screen tablet.
whats generally a good price for a used 22hd?

There are too many choices for a screenless tablet aiheutvhnowry.
Are there any good ones for a $200 budget, medium sized, preferably with an eraser?

>>4780718
>preferably with an eraser
wacom is your only option

>>4780714
Try and get one for around $800.

You can also consider the regular Cintiq 22, which has a better pen, but you won't get the buttons and because it's nuWacom, probably more prone to defects. See if you can check the reviews.

>>4780718
Intuos Pro 2013.

>>4780653
>Buy used. That is the golden rule.
Poorfag.
The previous owner was eating cheetos and jerking off over that tablet, and then you bought it with the cum stains to save 100$

>>4780761
It's not even about saving money, it's ensuring Wacom, Apple, or, god forbid if you're dumb enough to buy a chinkblet, the Chinese Government don't profit from your sale.

>>4780767
Oh, and I thought it was about getting a good product to use.

>>4780782
and it's still a far better product than any chink garbage.

>>4780810
Yeah.
>buy my ancient cintiq
>it's not full HD
>it's orange tinted and the colors are fucked
>It wasn't RGB specified even before the backlight expired
>and it has massive parallax
>only 500$ plus buying a new pen
>It's based as fuck an amazing product yeah

Fuck off, ok? Go be based somewhere else.

>>4780756
>but you won't get the buttons
thats fine.
honestly, ive never really used buttons on tablets. ive mostly relied on just my keyboard for shortcuts

>>4780834
no, YOU fuck off
Go be a chink somewhere else, your trickery may be successful in duping thousands others, but i can assure you that it won't work here

>>4780852
Yeah that's what most people do, it's the professional workflow, but some people still seem to like buttons.
Used 27" QHD Cintiqs also seem to be going for cut price deals on ebay and craigslist, but this is when reliability issues seem to be coming through. Again, check some of the reviews out.

Is picking up an Intuos Draw worth anything to a beginner artist?

>>4780999
it works, but it's shit.

>>4781006
Explain?

>>4781022
Thin pen, rough surface, soft nibs, shitty pressure levels, jittery diagonal cursor response. Tried one a few months back. One of Wacoms strategies to increase the value of their pro line is to purposefully decrease the quality of the budget tablets. You could see it as a punishment from them for being a cheapskate.

>>4776104
>$300
>USA
>Display
>no preference
>previous equipment
wacom bamboo from almost a decade ago

i use a cheap medium sized wacom intuos pen and touch. 150 bucks canadian i think.

my cat kicked it off my table 3 or 4 times and i've also dropped it plenty while traveling with it. it still works, that shit is sturdy af. i've had it for over 5 years now.

before that, i used a medium wacom bamboo fun. the blue one. that lasted me 10 years before it started to crap out and make the pen malfunction.

i also have the new 2020 ipad just for lulz. i don't touch it very much but it's great for my back and doodling in bed if i wanna relax my traps, neck and shoulders.

i still prefer drawing on my computer though. the ipad has great response and all, but i can't get used to the gestures that i accidentally make, even after tweaking the settings.

>>4781124
>$300
The only thing 300$ buy is Kamvas 13". If you were going to spend 400$ you could get Kamvas 22.

>>4781147
i'm not buying either one, chang.

>>4781156
Then you aren't buying shit with 300$ lol.

>>4781167
$300 easily buys an S6 Lite you dumbfuck yellow bug.

>>4781170
Oh I forgot about the toys lol, ok I guess you can play angry birds with it.

>>4781170
>S6 lite
fucking kek

Someone recommends me a good work tool. I spend hours drawing at home and I don't need a portable tool. I would like this device to connect to my computer without problems. I can spend 1500 usd, I hope you can help me, I would be very grateful.

>>4781377
>I can spend 1500 usd
There are many ways to go about it.

1 A fantastic prosumer monitor + a new intuos pro and you get to keep 700$ for a big desk and the boss Chair. It's an entire workstation, not just the tool.
(pros: no cum on it other than your own)
2 Maybe you can find a fairly modern used Cintiq that's only a little bit scratched. But Wacoms retain value like vintage cars, if it's any good it's gonna be exorbitantly expensive even used.
(cons: you keep thinking about the previous owner scrolling porn with touch while jerking off)
3 Kamvas pro 24" and you keep 500$ for the chair.
Pros - a good 1440p display with good colors, laminated etched glass.
Cons the pen is not fantastic. It works, but doesn't feel like it was worth a 1000$

Don't even think about getting a 20 years old cintiq, it's really fucking obsolete. they are terrible by modern standards.
If you are going to go with a screen tablet having accurate colors and laminated screen is essential. A tablet without these features just isn't worth your time.

>>4781419
>go with a screen tablet having accurate colors
In other words, not chinkshit like Huion.

>>4781429
You can rent the fucking calibration tool for a couple bucks and tune the Huion to display the accurate colors.

Most of the older cintiqs can't really be calibrated because the panel is just shit.

>>4781429
>Wacoms
>not chinkshit

>>4781446
quality control is the name of the game retard

>>4781454
A quality piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

Also chinkshit would have much quicker return on investment. The less you invest the quicker you return profits.

>>4781437
Don't care you dirty chink.

>>4781446
How stupid are you, idiot? Being manufactured on a chinese assembly line does not mean the product was designed in china, by chinese people.

The reason Wacom is still better than chink garbage is high quality pen design. Much more consistent pressure, and actual functioning tilt. Also the nib doesn't wobble around like it does on chinkpens.

>>4781460
>Don't care you dirty chink.
I was talking to a person with a question and not a /pol tourist.

>>4781454
>quality control
>>4781460
>good design
Lmao Wacom no longer has either of those. On top of that it now even uses chink spyware to spy on everything you do.

Questions for you huion marketers:
What even compelled you to attempt marketing your stuffs on 4chan? It's a tiny market that's known to be hostile to your kind. No matter how i look at it, you'll fighting a losing battle from the start, it's just not worth the effort
Was the pay at huion that good?

>>4781510
>On top of that it now even uses chink spyware to spy on everything you do
that's every program nowadays, even open source software isn't completely safe from that

>>4781561
>What even compelled you to attempt marketing your stuffs on 4chan?

I still remember how great it was to get a Huion h610p for 70$ after suffering with a shitty bamboo. It served me for years, taught me to draw from zero to getting SFW commissions, and paid for itself many times over.

Since then I became addicted to chinkshit. With good research you can find fantastic deals, i use chink phones, Kailh mechanical keyboard, chinese top-end monitor speakers and lots of great stuff for cheaps.

>>4781574
>that's every program nowadays
Not Huion lol. Huion wasn't caught selling your personal data, only Wacom did.

>>4781581
Fuck off you retarded yellow bug.

>>4781589
HA HA HA
KEEP CRYING BITCH

>>4781599
You're literally trying to tell people chinkshit software doesn't steal data. You're a dead set moron.

>>4781609
Huion were never caught, unlike Wacom, they are clean until proven guilty.

They know they can't get away with this shit, Wacom have die-hard fans who would swallow their shit and still defend them like you >>4781574 but Huion would immediatelly go bankrupt if they were caught doing that, they don't have a reputation to sell.

HUION pens are horrible. Wobbly lines, Meme tilt support, fish hooks, uneven pressure that blows out all of a sudden, squeaky pen, springy nib, cheap light materials.

Do you have to go on!? Stop it Huion marketers. I know that you are getting paid but people like me wasted the hard earned money on your garbage. Stop. You've been exposed on reddit for months now.

BYE

>>4781561
You're delusional. I cant really help you with that. The truth is very simple, Ive used a huion tablet for years now and it works fine. I only started posting because it says in the OP to disregard any chinese brand (which conveniently happens to cover all wacoms competitors), based on bullshit information. Which, like applefags, REEKS of trying to justify the value of their own purchases by enforcing secret clubbism. So naturally I just post here to make sure genuine artists, unlike yourself, be aware that they dont need to have their wallet raped just because you personally fell for the bullshit. Other people dont need to.

>>4781636
>HUION pens are horrible. Wobbly lines, Meme tilt support, fish hooks, uneven pressure that blows out all of a sudden, squeaky pen, springy nib, cheap light materials.

You still haven't posted your brushstrokes.
I bet my ass you can't do this >>4777135 >>4778005 because you're shit.

>>4781636
>You've been exposed on reddit for months now.
You've been exposed in this very thread lol.
Fuck off back to /pol and leave the artists alone.

So now that the dust has settled, is wacom one worth the $400 price tag? I know stat wise it's not as good as its competitors, but durability is a big concern for me since i plan to travel a lot with it (and generally being rough with my stuffs)
Saw one review where the dude threw the thing to the floor and it still works just fine, i thought that was pretty impressive

>>4781723
It's fine, but a used iPad Pro 2nd gen or a Galaxy S6 Lite is a better traveling companion.

>>4781723
I would say nope just get a screenless or a portable device.

I really don't understand why would anyone want to pay for a screen tablet and then draw over a fucking air gap, your drawing is still not where the pen tip is. You still would have to look at the cursor rather than the pen tip but now your arm is also covering the drawing.

>>4781735
literally this
either embrace active digitizers or go back to screenless
all these hermaphrodite transvestite EMR screen displays are the worst of both worlds

>>4781779
No fuck off, you're still BTFO.
active digitizers are shit.

>>4781147
22 sounds like more than enough, there are several ones under 300 but I suppose they aren't worth it?

>>4781805
>there are several ones under 300 but I suppose they aren't worth it?
They are older models, i was talking about the 2020 model specifically.
The older models weren't as cool.

>>4781808
I checked amazon and the kamvas pro 22 is 600 dollars, I'll look more around the 400 dollar range at least though thanks anon

I'm guessing I want at least 16+ "?

>>4781786
oh no, my exactly 45 dgeree straight diagonal lines might get a couple pixels of a wave pattern if I draw at absolutely paralytic speeds and don't run lazy nezumi.
this one fact invalidates the entire industry. Microsoft, Dell, Lenovo, HP, Acer, LG, and Wacom must be wrong. they must keep making these things out of embarassment. They must not know their market, unlike my superior chinese startup companies.
People always talk about muh jitter, but they have no answer to the parallax problem. Because the answer is "go back to using a screenless tablet," and that hurts their bottom line.

What are you guys talking about orange tint on old tablets? Just change the color temperature of the tablet and it looks fine. The orange tint is probably the default set to 9900K or whatever.

>>4781819
Parallax, is about having the distance between the pixels and the pen tip. Gluing the screen straight to the glass solves the problem well enough.

And by the way the lenovo thing you brought up it wasn't even glued, it was also an air gapped screen, the parallax is the same as something like Wacom One.

Solution is to fucking glue the pixels right to the fucking glass, like iPad, Cintiq pro, or the recent chinkshit.

What YOU are talking about is position inaccuracy which can be solved by having real thick bezels around the screen and good drivers.

And for fuck sake, the reviewers of that if you want to talk about the paid shills just look at the video reviews of that Lenovo abortion
>the pen is really close to the display
>I can see the fucking gap and it's huge
>it's great no lag
>lags so hard I can see on a 24fps video
>there's no jitter
>I CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE
>Oh the pressure is awesome
>I can see the fucking spikes
Now that's some real fucking shilling right there.
No EMR is not magic. And the pen is so shit i can see it from a youtube video

>>4781822
>What are you guys talking about orange tint on old tablets? Just change the color temperature of the tablet and it looks fine. The orange tint is probably the default set to 9900K or whatever.

Dude the thing is from 2005 it's because the back light is fucking dead.
And you can't really calibrate a bad panel.

can 400 bux get me a nice display tablet yet

>>4781843
no

>>4781843
according to /ic/, 4000 bux couldn't get you a nice display tablet

Hi Anons...

I started drawing about 2 weeks ago and want to now get a drawing tablet to have fun drawing on my pc too.

What one is best to start with? I would like to keep it in the 100-200 GBP price range if possible.

>>4781838
I'm referring to the 21UX gen 2. It came out at the same time as the 22HD.

>>4780856
Take your meds, schizo. Also pyw

>>4781854
Virtually any medium sized tablet not made by Wacom will work. Wacom works as well, I just assume you dont hate your money.

>>4781854
Take a look at Deco Pro, Deco 01v2, HS611, H1161 they are roughly the same give or take little gimmicks, and generally solid, I like my Deco Pro.
Avoid the old models with micro-Usb like plague. Micro usb is bad.

Also avoid the budget wacoms (intuos non-pro) they are made only to make you regret being cheap.

>>4781869
if you dont mind buying a new tablet every 3-5 years, go chink yeah

>>4781880
5 years of service out of 60$ is a fantastic deal.

>>4781854
First, discard Chang here: >>4781878
He's been shitposting and shilling chinese garbage non-stop for the past week.

Secondly, look for good used deals on Ebay. Intuos and Bamboo are good starter kits, then once you get better, you can move onto an Intuos Pro.
If you want to try a display tablet, check out the Galaxy S6 Lite.

>>4781905
Oh this is our /pol schitso
Take a look he fucking admits it
>>4780767
>It's not even about saving money, it's ensuring Wacom, Apple, or, god forbid if you're dumb enough to buy a chinkblet, the Chinese Government don't profit from your sale.

>>4781916
Oh look, it's our resident huion employee
Why don't you go back to your safe space thread? Oops, right, you can't. Because people can clearly see past your bullshit so thread is fucking dead

>>4781925
This thread is my safe space to shit on your head.
Post your work faggot.

>>4781891
80$* if you're luck you'll get 5 years

>>4781925
Post your work and I'll buy a wacom...

Otherwise I am probably going to get an XP Pen lol

>>4781937
You don't have to transparently falseflag, Li Zhang. You're too easy to see through.

Notice how nobody on /ic/ actually cares about tablet choice as much as you clearly do.

>>4781937
go xp pen, it's your money, no one here is your mom to say no, retard

>>4781941
I just saw him posting about wacom all thread and wanted to see if he would finally post his work lol

>>4781939
>Notice how nobody on /ic/ actually cares about tablet choice
YOU DON'T SAY

>>4781942
We would need to have a tablet for that.
I challenged him to show a better brushstroke than my "bad" pen and he can't fucking look >>4777135

>>4781949
>I challenged him to show a better brushstroke than my "bad" pen and he can't fucking look

>>4781954
Yes I did.
And you don't have a tablet.

Just kidding, you probably are just shit and can't handle the pen like I can. Because I'm cool and you're not,

>>4781949
You can't prove you didn't do those on a Wacom though, Zhang. We all know you're a shill, and we all know Chinese people aren't above using shady shill tactics. Post a webm of yourself drawing on your shitty Huion, because your pics are worthless.

>>4781949
Who cares about brushstroke when painting, painting is a mess zoomed in either way.

>>4781962
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE GOOD WITH A PEEEEN
Post a wojak for this yourself, you seem to have a plenty.

>>4781972
Not helping yourself there, Zhang. You were asked to show video evidence and you can't. Not going to sell those Huion tablets with that attitude.

>>4781964
He was screeching that the chinks pens were bad so I decided to flex on him.
Also here I demonstrated the lack of jitter. >>4778005

Fun fact the budget Wacoms all have jitter but the chink shit doesn't.
Which is why i'm recommending you get chinkshit and not a botched abortion like this >>4780999

>>4781981
no one recommends those, only intuos 3 and whatever they name their pro series

>>4781925
>>4781939
Your squirming has actually convinced me to try out the Gaomon m10k2018. It has great reviews and a smooth surface, so Ill be interested to give it a shot. Never tried them before. Ill post the strokes and results up tomorrow.

>>4781981
>Also here I demonstrated the lack of jitter
with a wacom tablet.

>>4781991
Ok Chang. Still not buying Huion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

>>4782010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1WEYF8rlA

>>4782016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOnt5mLeJ0E

Does anybody use their tablet as a mouse pad?
I'm trying to save desk space, but I'm worried about wearing out the mouse feet or scratching the tablet to hell.

LMAOOOOO he can't reply

>>4782016
>>4782010
I don't know how anyone can buy a chink tablet after watching this.

>>4782031
Cheap, same with all chink tech.

>>4781976
>You were asked to show video evidence and you can'
Here, watch
https://streamable.com/z23rsq

>>4782036
Boy, the absolute LENGTHS you will go to shill your products, Chang! I'm impressed!
Shame chink garbage is still unreliable and has a high failure rate! Also a shame people generally aren't interested in supporting the economy of a government that sends the army in to massacre human rights protesters!

>>4782031
Because its a third of the price, and it works just as well. So it is objectively the better choice.

>companies try to take advantage of influencers
i sleep

For the record, aaron should honestly just go bald for the full cancer look, or use his minimal art skills to paint on some eyebrows maise williams style.

>>4782045
>and it works just as well
You really are one desperate chinese idiot, lol.

>>4782043
>Also a shame people generally aren't interested in supporting the economy of a government that sends the army in to massacre human rights protesters!

Great! So when will you throw out your wacom products?

>>4782043
I'm doing this for you bro.
There's no lenghts I won't go to to dab on and embarass you untill you commit suicide.
So far I have provided
>articles that Wacom actually spies on users
>brushwork you're jealous to death of
>debunked your active digitizer rants and took the pictures
>basically got you to admit that you actually are a political activist and not an artist
And i'm not gonna stop man, you can run from this thread but I will come to your house and shit in your pants.

>>4782052
Don't care, Zhang, still not buying Huion.

>>4782055
You don't care so much you just couldn't ignore me )

I know I;m under your skin, I know i can't let you sleep, because i;m bette than you.

post

your

work

>>4782057
Ok chang. Still not buying Huion.

>>4782036
imagine using brave in 2020

https://community.brave.com/t/open-discussion-brave-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/112167

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/c3vuwy/why_does_brave_get_so_much_hate/

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/c3tw4f/why_brave_isnt_bad/

>>4782057
Yikes man, just stop
This is getting really sàd

>>4782060
Ok tranny. Still not buying firefox.

>>4782062
>just stop
I will, after you do.

>>4782067
You're obsessed

>>4782072
Just like you are.

New bread:

>>4782080
>>4782080
>>4782080
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>>4782055
No one cares. You arent an artist.

>>4782046
Get fucked.

>>4782010 Aaron Rutten is a meme but I have to agree with him on those Chinese tablets. Just bad. I don't know why this guy keeps defending HUION. A lot of people got screwed by them. I've spent $400! It's not cheap by any means so I expect good quality. Not meme tilt support and $5 toy pen. The screen's color look nice on the kamvas pro 16 but what's the point when everything is shit. The screen has horrible offset though. Do I have to repeat what I said here >>4781636 ?

DESU I use Chinese products myself without any problem it's just that Huion sucks. I'm not saying it sucks because it's Chinese but it just sucks.

This thread has to die and Xiang Xi needs to stop

>>4782088
That's what the new thread is for. Need a fresh slate: >>4782083

Hopefully Zhang won't spend all day shitposting again.

>>4782086
Is that supposed to be threatening or something lmao

>>4782086
LMAO if you take a photo of your dick and share it here i'll buy a huion

>>4782104
No you brainlet, its to show that Im not a chink, but I DO endorse their screenless tablets, because they fucking work fine for a third of the price of wacom bullshit.

>>4782109
>h-hehe s-show me your dick and Ill surrender!

Yikes anon

>>4777436
you can't really call yourself a third worlder if you have that kind of money to spend in a hobby
that's like 2 months average salary over here

>>4780653
Alright, saving for a 22HD it is. Rip my next paycheck.
Although... The 21UX is so much cheaper... is there some catch to it, other than the $:3 aspect ratio?